Everything About the New Surfaces!

In this clip, Marques, Andrew, and David go over the Microsoft event and discuss some of the announcements that were made including a new chip that's supposed to rival the Apple M3!
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[@jonosono]

Damn... Surface Pro X came out in 2019? That feels like 10 - 12 years ago.

[@bradavon]

I've been using mine since 2020 as my main pc. It's always run great tbh. The Tidal app is a bit slow, Facebook Messenger is a bit slow but that's it. Everything else I use on it works as well as an Intel based PC, seriously. Because it doesn't run Adobe Apps well these guys have always conflated this to mean it sucks. Their bias is telling us lies.

[@someidiot6359]

Feels like yesterday to me

[@nickbu]

I mean, Surface RT came out in 2012 so yeah basically the same thing /s

[@ru2225]

​@@bradavonit's horrid bro, living in the browser works which is what it seems like you're doing, but using it properly doesn't work at all

[@kazi1]

@@nickbu💀

[@philosophyandfaith]

Good analysis, but one part was very lazy. This is when it is claimed the only reason to buy a windows laptop over a M-based Mac was work programs, backwards compatibility or gaming. There are a LOT of reasons to prefer windows. For example: If you want a touchscreen, you choose windows If you want a laptop you can use a stylus with, you choose windows If you want a laptop with upgradable RAM, you choose windows If you want a laptop with upgradable storage, you choose windows If you want to future-proof your machine with wifi7, you choose windows If you want a dedicated graphics card, you choose windows If you want a two-in-one form factor, you choose windows If you want to spend less than $900, you choose windows If you want 16 gigs of RAM for under $1,400 you choose windows If you want 2 tbs of storage for under $3000 you choose windows If you want a form factor like the Surface Laptop Studio, you choose windows If you want a form factor like the Zenbook duo, you choose windows If you want a 17 or 18 inch screen, you choose windows If you want an OLED screen, you choose windows If you want to easily share photos from an Android phone, you choose windows If you want a machine weighing less than 2.5 pounds, you choose windows If you don't want to lock yourself into the Apple Garden, you choose windows Macs are perfect if you need a powerful machine with great battery and you can pay the Apple tax. If you don't care about the items above, go for it. I had an M2 Macbook pro and it was great. But let's not pretend there were only three rational grounds for choosing windows over Mac. There's a reason windows has almost 90 percent market share. Lots of reasons, actually.

[@IFrancyISantosI]

Well.. With the arm I an not sure about upgradeability of the RAM. I will configure mine with 32gb, because in think they are limited

[@petrm2234]

but you mix windows on arm and windows on x86\64

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

You have no clue about this.. 😂 Windows on ARM also lose about half of your statements.. By the way let me ask you if you can buy a HDD and a SSD for about the same price, which one will you choose..? Just because Apple method is the SSD here.. the DDR5 have about 40GB/s transfer speed limit per channel, and you can't really find any laptop with more than 2 RAM slot.. that is about 80GB/s vs 400GB/s in M3 Max.. 5x faster memory.. you need a laptop with 8-10 RAM slots, and a PCIe 8.0 x16 slot for GPU to reach the same 400GB/s bandwith.. so do you prefer the slower HDD or the faster SSD..? And the SSD have the same price tag like the same sized HDD..?

[@novadon4729]

​@@TamasKiss-yk4st but you are talking a scenario in which both are the same price (HDD and SSD or whatever). But IRL both are not the same price. Hence why one brand of laptop is much more expensive than the other. That's like saying if the Ferrari is the same price as the Honda which one would u chose. Such a d*mb question

[@HTHAMMACK1]

Dude, these people are Apple shills. What do you expect? Marques is an Apple shill, even if he won't admit it.

[@gurtejsingh656]

Note to self never come to this podcast for any kind of real specs always check your specs

[@eds464]

Agreed, unfortunately that's most tech podcast , just filler talk.

[@bradavon]

The Microsoft SQ1 was just an overclocked Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx. That's it.

[@DankGank]

I hate how pushing their stupid first-party AI basically completely killed all the hype for ARM on Windows

[@christianr.5868]

Nah, I’m looking forward to copilot. Will be great for learning new software

[@bradavon]

Yeah it's so weird. Microsoft want you to care about CoPilot+ but everyone is interested because ARM means Windows can have Apple M1 style performance. It's that that'll sell the PCs.

[@callibor3119]

Windows had the entire fanbase calling them Master Class or Master Race for so many years that Apple not taking the mantle of being part of the OpenAI master race be the number reason why they are now one of the new leaders of technologies as we know it. Because Windows has always pushed hardware. Not software. We saw the cracks since Windows 8 and it worsened in 10 and is now falling apart at the seams with their OpenAI partnership on 11. Apple have been ahead of the game by simply taking the back seat with Google. Apple and Google have been teaming up and even pushing their softwares to newer heights with phones and tablets in a way that computers have failed to push. And now phones are the new tablets and tablets are the new computers. But the computers are being replaced as a metaverse awaits both the consumers and the businesses in WEB 3.0. If people could stop resorting to fear every problem that they are not facing alone, then they can be in control of what can go behind their own technology and push a massive boom and a Golden Age of media in a way corporations couldn’t have done alone.

[@akin242002]

Agreed. Windows didn't need to resort to Recall software. ARM on Windows that performs well would have destroyed MacBook sales. Recall is like shooting yourself in the foot before a 100m race that you had 99% chance of winning!

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@bradavonIt's not a performance issue, it's a battery life issue. Current gen x86 is actually pretty decent even in low power settings, it just doesn't scale down as far as ARM (Zen 4 and 4c is actually competitive with M3 in terms of performance per watt IIRC, it's just not as efficient in low utilisation scenarios). I've also got a pet theory that part of the reason Windows on ARM is more efficient than x86 is all the refactoring and culling of old code Microsoft had to do to get Windows running on ARM.

[@christianr.5868]

Looking forward to the new surface pro. With it being able to outperform an m1 MacBook Air, that’s more than enough for me. Never had any problems with the m1’s performance, plus it’s a 2 in 1 with great battery life? I’m sold

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

I'll believe it when I see it. Every Surface Pro has been advertised with well over 10 hours of battery life and winds up delivering 4-6, the new ARM chips *should* be more efficient but the same could technically be said for newer x86 processors vs older models.

[@christianr.5868]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 yeah I’m pretty sure the battery life will be great. Looking at the benchmarks for the surface laptop at least. So the pro may not as good as the MacBook Air, but If it can match or beat out my iPad’s battery life, that’s good enough for me

[@HTHAMMACK1]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 LOL! What Surface Pro are you using? My i7 Surface Pro gets better batter life than that.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@HTHAMMACK1 Just go check out the Surface subreddit, it doesn't seem to matter what chip is in them they always under deliver massively. Mine can get a fair number of hours but it's a lot less than 10, and that's only if I stick with very light web browsing, lower brightness and use it intermittently, video playback puts it below 5-6 if the brightness is up a bit and it's a pretty much brand new i5 unit

[@bitshuffler1]

If it runs fairly well and is quiet and cool, I'll be back in the MS camp.

[@Kratos30000]

Worst thing is no version of the surface pro will feature the fastest variant of the X Elite, the x1e-84-100.

[@SplitTheBeat]

Everyone except marques tends to end their sentences in a questionmark tone. It gets exhausting listening to that for a while

[@matthewburno]

everyone on TikTok does this too! I hate this "click bait" accent I don't know the true term but I remember someone talking about how that monotone or question speaking is a form of trying to get you to wait for more since your assuming they'll be a "part 2" to this speech!!

[@nysfinest5638]

I noticed that too. So annoying.

[@matthewburno]

@@nysfinest5638 id understand if its a random video or a person that is nervous like TikTok sometimes but the guys on here should take a class in speaking and how to lose habits that make you sound uncertain! on top of that they always over talk each other and in this video spit random specs without searching on a computer in front of them to confirm what specs is for witch build! it feels like there's. too many chefs in the kitchen on this podcast!

[@ViníciusMiguel-q1g]

They all except Marques have pretty annoying tones

[@mzamonster2008]

I realised that toooo?? This is how they talkkkk?? Everything is a questionnnnn??

[@rerschik]

For this someone who was going to totally migrate away from PC to MAC and never did, I'm leaning towards the new Surface Laptop based on your clip here. Thanks for the input, summary, and opinions.

[@pootsman6722]

The new Surface Pro keyboard is disgustingly expensive!!

[@pjmq]

I have a pro X which is my random "I need a bigger screen" couch PC. They've made a lot of big strides with it software-wise. I'm holding out hope that the new big rearch they've done to support arm trickles back down to it and it gets passively way better.

[@TotallyEltonJohn]

I do hope these PC’s do end up becoming a success, even though there are some privacy concerns… 🙁

[@mwanafalsafa3613]

Why does it matter to you?

[@TotallyEltonJohn]

@@mwanafalsafa3613 - Uh, because it does. Got an issue?

[@roquemocan]

@@TotallyEltonJohn seems you can turn off Recall

[@TotallyEltonJohn]

@@roquemocan - Good to hear!

[@maravreloaded]

1- Privacy is a buzzword. Tech companies want and already have your data. 2- Apple said privacy bs because their phone hardware always sucked. 3- You can turn it off, but idk why you should. 4- It's RUNNING LOCAL. 5- You use KZbin. The algorythm already has all your searches for themselves in a Google server. But oh no Microsoft is doing a Mac Time Machine on steroids and everyone is SUDDENLY worried about privacy.

[@adequatequality]

All I need is for the golden age of PCs to arrive where I don’t have to pay Apple prices for a low heat and low fan noise laptop with good battery life. That’s all I ask. I don’t even care about screen quality or anything else. I’m praying Qualcomm’s CPUs are successful

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Depending on how you define good battery life this has been a thing for years. You aren't going to get 20 hours but unless you're a heavy user an all day battery should be very doable

[@adequatequality]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 No man, just no. Please don't lie about this. Windows PC battery life is absolute garbage and unless you pay the SAME price as Apple computers, you won't even get anything comparable and it STILL won't be anywhere close to the MacBooks

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@adequatequality I'm not lying in the least though. It's true that Windows can't touch Mac right now for battery life, but there's a *lot* of space between the exceptional battery life Macbooks deliver and "garbage". *Some* Windows laptops are garbage but there's plenty of options that are decent and will deliver a full day of typical use without issue. And I say that as someone who owns a SP9 and is very familiar with its real world battery life (the SP9 being one of the worse examples of Windows battery life, there's plenty of options much better than it).

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Don't expect too much.. because even the Microsoft diagrams proof it, it's running about 5°C hotter and 7dBM louder, so use way more power if still overheating more with a cooler like the fanless Macbook.. so not even silence, and not even have a good battery life.. (even Qualcomm provided leaks started with the up to 40% more battery life in Office 365.. so do you think Excel and Word that power hungry? And don't forget all of their diagrams mafe with isolated environment, when you have a continous download or just also playing music in the background, that overwrite everything, because not 1 but 2 cores are working.. and those devices are multitasking devices..)

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@TamasKiss-yk4st Making comments about temperature and noise with no context is meaningless. Both the X Elite and Apple M have configurable power envelopes, and Microsoft choosing to configure a higher maximum power consumption (which will increase temperature and fan noise when at peak performance, which is *not* the same thing as "overheating") says nothing about efficiency or average power consumption in a like for like comparison. And no, Office isn't a particularly taxing application, but these are low power devices that aren't geared for high performance use so it still represents a significant workload in that it bumps the processor up into higher power states. This is kind of irrelevant though because Office is pretty close to ubiquitous and is used frequently on MacOS and Apple Silicon as well.

[@roquemocan]

What may sell me Recall is an example someone gave: "I want the Powerpoint with the fishes" and even though the word "fish" wasn't in the PowerPoint, just an image... it was found.

[@speakez12]

total recall and inception are not the same thing. For one, inception is about placing a thought not a memory

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

To be fair to Windows, I've been surprised how much I find myself using my SP9 without the keyboard on it. The swipe style touch keyboard is surprisingly good.

[@Yimir11]

It goes back further than 2019 with the first generation surfaces Windows RT. With the Surface RT.

[@bradavon]

But the idea didn't take off until 2019. The Surface RT was like Betamax and Laserdisc.

[@Yimir11]

@@bradavon not sure you can say the idea really took off in 2019 either. Lol.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@Yimir11It arguably did in that the current Windows on ARM development was a direct continuation from the 2019 Surface Pro X, with key software features like x86 emulation that weren't available in RT, and at least nominal continues hardware support between then and now.

[@aettic]

I remember really liking the Surface Pro X when I saw it in the wild. Someone had come in to the shop I was working at and was using it to demo a design they wanted printed, and I asked about it. He didn't know much, but told me what it was called. A few months later I was at a Microsoft store and a couple of us bought Surface Pro 7s. I looked at the Pro X at that time too, and thought it was cool, but couldn't justify the price or features compared to what I wanted to use a Surface for. Then I proceeded to basically never use my Pro 7 because the interface always felt clunky to me. It sat on the shelf gathering dust for years, until I finally sold it and bought an iPad Pro, which I use almost daily for all kinds of stuff.

[@Matty-rn5gt]

Surface Pro X had managed to benefit from fine wine improvements and definitely is better today than it was at launch after many updates.

[@mjsolomon]

I have a Surface Pro X. It does what I need it to do. It serves as a second travel computer. The design is fire, espcially the all black one. I could even play Disney Dreamlight Valley on it. xbox game pass works on it. And it's built well. I've had that thing for 4 years. Computers that aren''t macbooks usually don't hold up that long for me. Oh, I also had the Surface RT - got it free at a conference.

[@wakkowarner9522]

Everyone is losing their minds that getting the OLED screen + Snapdragon X Elite costs $500 more, but no one is making a fuss about the fact that to upgrade from 16GB of RAM + 512GB SSD to 32 GB of RAM + 1 TB SSD costs $600 more, which is pretty ridiculous! now add the keyboard and stylus 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@paulname5483]

I like my Surface Book. It is all aluminum with a semi attached keyboard that magnetically locks to the screen.

[@wroot_lt]

If Recall does snaps every 5 seconds it will often not help you with your "i have refreshed feed and then noticed something" scenario. Also, i believe after a backlash it now will be opt-in.

[@elliekim6666]

Wasn’t this video released days ago ? Could of swore I heard all this before lol

[@brianwitte3761]

Recall features were already done by AI companies like Rewind (now Limitless). So, the screen recording is already something that has been out there. I have had it on my MacBook for almost a year now. Very useful. Limitless has taken a slightly different approach now, but their Rewind product (exactly like Recall) is still active and functioning.

[@rhubarbisdead]

Surface Pro X was a slow burn. Everything stated applied at launch, but it's a great little machine still 5 years later (with updates). You can clearly see the progression from RT devices being unacceptable, to the Pro X where they hone in, and now these new devices where they're nailing windows on ARM.

[@pjmorgan]

I'm just excited at the idea of being able to find a document on my computer faster than using Google, or just recreating the bloody thing.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Recall sounds like a really convoluted way to accomplish this though, and has substantial privacy implications when you factor in that W11 and a lot of Microsoft apps really, really try and sneakily store all of your "local" data in OneDrive...

[@hexagonal7075]

Just get the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7x with X Elite, the perfect windows laptop imo.

[@PrestoMoto02]

The iPad Pro Magic Keyboard is great I just wish they squeezed in a little bit of battery in the keyboard

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤Windows arm

[@I2ealTuber]

Opinions on price/value? Surface Pro, Copilot+ PC $2.6k Snapdragon X Elite (12 Core) Oled-scherm Platina Wi-Fi 32GB RAM 1TB SSD

[@austinwilwayco]

In Inception, other people have to go into someone’s dreams to give them an idea subconsciously, hence the movie’s name. In Total Recall, the technology implants an already fabricated memory, making the person believe the memory is the reality they had already lived. Inception doesn’t alter the main dreamer’s memories of reality and is more of a stealth movie where the emphasis and turmoil is on the people entering the main dreamer’s mind, since the main character’s PTSD memory has entered the dream worlds. It becomes difficult for the main character to distinguish the dream from reality, since they begin jumping into dreams of people in the dreams which by the laws of the movie world, slows down time. This notion of is what is real and what is fake is the main similarity with Total Recall. Further, in Total Recall, since the main character can’t distinguish reality from fiction, the movie’s name is sort of a joke and fitting, since the main character remembers everything consisting of real and fabricated memories

[@megan-n-dad]

Actually Surface Pro X is one of the device that gets better overtime. Compare to when it first release, I actually love it more today.

[@MXALOVE]

When comparing manufacturers; Android VS Windows, Windows options are significantly worse mostly because it's all over the place. Android is the same way but it has more good options while with Windows it's really just Dell.

[@manis77]

Totally off-topic, but what's the jersey Marques was wearing?

[@FullThrottle360]

I really hope that microsoft doesn't try to push the arm stuff on desktop users. Windows is known for is hardware customization so I hope they don't push arm too far

[@DankGank]

All of the major players are working on ARM. No Reason to think there wont be socketed ARM desktop CPUs in 10 years

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@DankGankI'm sure it'll be a thing but ARM doesn't really have much of an advantage on desktop - Zen 4 is actually a lot closer than you might think to current ARM architectures in terms of performance per watt in any scenario other than low power lighter usage, and there's some surprising edge cases where the larger instruction set actually confers performance advantages (AVX512 for instance massively boosts PS3 emulation performance)

[@Brianmuchiri]

19:20 Marques lough is so sincere

[@elliotsilveira30]

Def like inception but also like total recall

[@Diamond_Hanz]

Arm laptops are fancy tablets

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Tensor is much more custom than SQ1, the only real involvement Samsung had was as a fab for hire (which is why they're able to move to TSMC for Tensor 4). That's actually one of the big problems with it, fab process aside they're using bog standard licensed ARM cores instead of hiring a team to tune them up like Apple, or paying another business for a better design.

[@SimplestUsername]

6:14 _"it takes a snapshot of your screen every 5 seconds" "and it stores in a cash."_ There better be same damn good safeguards to ensure that the AI ONLY regurgitates information to the user and no one else or this is going to be a massive liability.

[@maravreloaded]

Privacy is a buzzword. Apple made you believe the most basic trick. Google knows all your data. If you use WhatsApp Facebook has all your data. And don't get me started with TikTok. But when Microsoft does something similar NATIVELY AND LOCALLY with no Windows server involved, suddenly everyone complains about privacy.

[@yuvrajsingh099]

The Snapdragon X series are fairly upgradable. The storage is not on soc. The storage is fully upgradable with any ssd. The Wifi-7, Bluetooth and 5g moduls is not on soc and upgradable. Almost all of them Oled with Touch Screen. The ram is not on soc, it is soldered to motherboard and maybe ,just maybe it can be replaced by LPCAMM2 standard which allow upgradable storage with same performance and power as integrated memory and is going to be used by samsung and is used by Lenovo in thinkpad. ( Think about the tablet like this new surface pro , combining Linux on touch with Linux Desktop(for Arm) in dex like mod. The recent updates allow to run android apps seamlessly very near native apps running on linux).

[@PrestoMoto02]

I’m a little iffy on the surface laptop display vs other oled options

[@LearningLife77]

I don't think I've heard anyone just say they like windows better. Just nonchalantly. I've used both and prefer windows to. Just give me a good large trackpad and excellent battery life

[@LearningLife77]

Linux is great for work for me

[@Hello-lr4hl]

They are apple fans and there laptops are also apple. 30 minute video nothing interesting to watch 😔

[@cooldeal]

How does the AI tag each screen shot so that it can quickly retrieve the shot by asking it a question

[@mmlewis1030]

The conversation, imo, should've leaned into the grandfather of the Apple ARM architecture Gerard Williams and a few other top chip architects are the designers of this chip. If you praised Apple's chips in the past, this should give you confidence. These aren't just repackaged mobile chips. They started out as server-based chips and were redesigned for consumers.

[@Mackcolak-xf5bk]

Here are some key takeaways: - Microsoft announced new Windows laptops and tablets powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors, aimed at competing with Apple's M-series chips. - The new Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 and Microsoft SQ3 chips are branded as "AI processors" with enhanced AI/neural engine capabilities. - A major new feature is "Windows Recall" which takes periodic screenshots to allow you to search your past activities. - The Surface Pro 9 tablet gets an ARM-based option with the SQ3 chip and optional OLED display. - The new Surface Laptop 5 comes in 13.5" and 15" sizes, both with OLED displays and long battery life claims. - Microsoft is touting better app compatibility through improved emulation compared to past Windows on ARM efforts. - Overall, Microsoft is making a renewed push into ARM-based Windows PCs to better compete with Apple's M-series and improve battery life.

[@maravreloaded]

Wait for Apple to show the SAME FEATURE with their Macbook M4 line but with a fancy name and EVERYONE WILL EAT IT UP. B-but privacy but green bubbles! Grow up.

[@nethercookiez50yearsago55]

Honestly the push for all these AI features kind of killed it for me.

[@quadsnipershot]

I work for a retailer and they are pushing hard the copilot pc not sure why it’s just pc and they started adding like buy a this pc get a free tv.

[@chaseivey28]

2 guys 1 mic 😅😅😅

[@shawngee1]

I don't believe that the Surface Laptop comes with an OLED display.

[@vlonebored]

marques spoke like 10 words the whole video 💀

[@novadon4729]

Everyone else is speaking while reading from their computer. So basically they don't have an idea what they are saying either. I prefer the Marques method; if you don't know what to say, don't say anything at all

[@condoriris6286]

You talked about the hardware comparison to apple devices, like it’s the most important thing, which is not the case at all, the software is the real deal. AI is changing the way we interact with the machine, now you can do a lot of tasks without learning, the machine understands you more than you understand it. I think this time is similar to the time when computers start using the graphic user interface.

[@ivaneberle3972]

More choices in hardware was histiorically a big driver of Windows, also the availability of cheap/free productivity apps. Android solves this and multi-tasks more seamlessly than Windows in a tablet. I see Surface laptops and tablets being DOA with Snapdragon X gen3 becoming the new coin-of-the-realm for everybody but Apple by year's end. Only hope for MS is if they intergrate a killer app like ChatGTP better than anyone else's implementation. DaVinci Resolve is already ported to Linux--and is coming to Android soon--so that ain't gonna cut it

[@jiujitsujedi]

It's not a" Rosettaesque" since it was before Rosetta.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

Surface Pro is far more of a pro product than an iPad Pro. Being a pro level device is not just about pure speed.

[@AntonNagolyuk]

which game natively available on Mac is David playing?

[@TheRealMafoo]

It's not extortion to charge that much for a keyboard, if you have other options. For Ipad, you have 3rd party keyboards you can buy. For Microsoft, you have 3rd party devices you can buy. Now RAM and SD space on Apple... yea, that's extortion.

[@mra4107]

These new PCs will be interesting. Hate Mac OS; it was terrible 20 years ago and hasn't improved since. Even if the M4 is better than X Elite, I would never buy one.

[@niravarora9887]

Man, it can get up to 64 gigs RAM in black surface laptop and 32gigs in surface pro.

[@ChristopherTaylor-wj4fv]

We don’t need just one company to be at the forefront, and that Recall feature is only in Edge it’s like bro be reading stuff all wrong and putting out bad info and then have to come back and say I misread smh

[@Dwaxxx]

I think recall works everywhere and not just on edge.

[@bradavon]

Recall needs 25GB on the 256GB model. Ot scales up and down.

[@sphumelelesijadu]

I know Samsung is using the same chip and similar ai features Please 🙏🏽 try one out for a review if you can. I wanna know if it's worth it. Edit: Talking about the Galaxy Book 4 Edge

[@elliekim6666]

First time in 2019? Uhh did we forget windows RT back when windows 8 came out ? 😂

[@ruijikisu]

i hope they make it this time i dont envy microsofts position to have to do this with a rather open ecosystem

[@JacobFrodsham]

Once Apple figures out how to put games on macOS and have them run natively or through wine like how it is on the steam deck, personally I don’t see a reason to own a Microsoft product, including windows.

[@maejoo-edit]

I am SO sick of ipad's NONE PRO features.. that I am willing to try surface pro

[@davidspagnolo4870]

Dont forget surface RT from 2012

[@EZBlast]

Lenova offers the Yoga with 32 gig

[@MahimanSingh]

On battery performance that's what i am waitin for

[@kevinsivakumar9428]

Supposedly 15% longer than the M3 Mac Air on straight video playback from an article from The Verge I think

[@bradavon]

Surface Laptop is not oled.

[@petrm2234]

robo and kala had same keyboard feature, but others was shit

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Once the computer is over 5 years old, will I be able to slap Linux on it?

[@Bibbatron]

Yes. X Elite is fully supported by the Linux kernel. So basically for the next 20+ years minimum youll be able to use Linux on them. And probably forever unless ARM is ditched and everyone switches to Risc V after that.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​​@@BibbatronThis is *extremely* reductive - kernel support is only one of many, many requirements to run Linux on a device. The biggest issue here is going to be device firmware - there's no guarantee that these devices use UEFI in the same way that x86 does, and even if they do there's some iffy UEFI implementations around that make Linux support sketchy at best (Linux does run on x86 Surface devices but only with a lot of manual effort, a custom kernel in most cases, and a lot of bugs, for instance).

[@hexagonal7075]

Surface Laptop 7 has no OLED, it's LCD. Microsoft is Dumb.

[@Marbforest]

Why you guys are not informed

[@wwllsswtrustong]

windows on arm was a joke

[@coolcatjk30]

Just make a surface book 3. The felt covers are flimsy af. It's like it's named Surface for a reason.... Bring back the actual powerful and usable 2 in 1. I loved mine. Went almost 8 years before I had to get it replaced. Nothing will beat a rigid keyboard design with battery and dedicated GPU. No one wants these creepy AI features that are a huge privacy nightmare. Every month, they come out with something that makes gaming on Linux more and more appealing. And at the rate of progress that the community has made in the last several years. I don't think it's that far off. They keep this up, and they will lose their market share in 10 years. The number of kids and teens these days that have never used a PC but only Chromebooks and Tablets, why would they ever start using a PC unless forced to for work, etc. Even most schools have switched to Chromebooks at this point. Like seriously, their days as the market leader in the Personal Comouter space are numbered. Unless they do a huge about face, I don't see where their future is going other than Azure stuff. If not for PC gamers and businesses/corporations being forced to use Windows they wouldn't even have the market share that they do. And gaming on Linux is just getting better and better. So again, why should I continue staying in this abusive relationship? Edited for grammar and misspelling.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

The Surface Book was replaced with the Laptop Studio, technically the Book did have the advantage of the detachable screen but that screen had pretty poor battery life when detached

[@ps3301]

Arm cpu was too slow for laptop

[@jairunet]

I will have to agree with MKHD, but, total recall is like permanently change your memory, like permanent storage or rom. Inception is more like volatile memory after the dream it is that a dream it could have happened or not.

[@NathanSirikit]

Rtx20 series have more TOPS then those ai pc

[@mzamonster2008]

I just need a windows laptop with nice 13" screen (no need to be an oled), great battery ,works well with office apps (word/powerpoint/excel) and under $1k. That's it Microsoft

[@robertp457]

Hearing you giving Microsoft crap for calling a device “pro” is so hypocritical when the base model MacBook Pro and the base model Mac Pro exists.

[@yuvrajsingh099]

On day one getting it , I will install Linux on it. I an already using linux on my laptop.

[@dakunclear]

Sorry Marquis I don't agree with you this haha. I am a windows kinda guy but I might be buying a Macbook lol.

[@laoma4131]

Good idea for employers, no more solitaire 😅

[@ivaneberle3972]

RISC v. CISC argument is 30+ years old. ARM has been why Windows phones have sucked, too. Anyone besides Microsoft not developing from the smartphones-first paradigm now? Open-source Linux-Lite (aka Android) with a Windows emulator would long ago have killed off anyone smaller than Microsoft. The breaking of the WinTel alliance/stranglehold with ARM is likely to finish what IBM/Motorola/Apple set in motion

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Why would ARM be the reason Windows Phone sucked? It's not like they were running x86 programs on those phones...

[@ivaneberle3972]

Because ARM is Reduced Instruction Set Computing (parallel data channels, more pipes) and Windows is Complex Instruction Set Computing. Phones have used ARM based processors since Motorola was the shit

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@ivaneberle3972 Ok, but Windows Phone wasn't mainline Windows, and didn't have any functions that required the advanced instructions on x86. It also didn't run any Windows x86 applications, all the apps on it were ARM native. Your logic that an OS that at some point ran on x86 will be trash on ARM would imply that MacOS should be horrendous these days much more than it would suggest Windows Phone would be bad, and yet MacOS runs very well on ARM. The real reason Windows Phone sucked is because it was late to the party and couldn't get enough market share to sustain itself. That's the long and the short of it.

[@DerNesor]

If those on youtube testing can be believed, the battery is absolute trash.... I wish it wasn't

[@malfaroangel3896]

20:04 if you own an iPhone 14 and above. Looks like marques is looking at your Dynamic Island before he comments on it

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤❤

[@jimit_shukla]

Nobody is talking about, “Will recall be really that good or not?”

[@JW77]

Qualcomm is just not good at CPUs. It never was. Its only advantage is it can bundle its cellular chips. Where bundling makes sense, Qualcomm sells pretty well. Where cellular chips are not needed, no one wants Qualcomm processors. Their cost, performance and power consumption are just not competitive. Windows should have partnered with another company or designed its own chip like Apple did.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Disagree, Snapdragon 8 completely stomps stock ARM cores for performance and efficiency (this is a huge part of why Tensor sucks in terms of raw CPU performance - they're using stock ARM cores that can't keep up with Snapdragon 8). The 8cx/SQ processors were also decent enough, a huge part of what held them back was bad x86 instruction translation/support rather than raw performance. I agree that they're probably not quite as good as the Apple Silicon equivalent though, and I strongly suspect that the X Elite benchmarks have probably been massaged in some way to boost hype before launch, but being not quite as good as promised doesn't make them bad, they'll probably still be pretty good.

[@mrsmilescam1550]

Qualcomm chips in Samsung phones and such have always been very powerful especially the flagships.

[@studiox7762]

Lol .he is trying so hard to not explain but talk negative points about surface 😅

[@TheTechNerd-s7g]

No thanks this is creepy. I will disable it immediately if I get a device with this feature.

[@mmlewis1030]

The great thing is that it is optional so easy to switch off in settings. It is entirely on-device though fwiw.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@mmlewis1030I'm really skeptical of Microsoft's "local only" claim for a couple reasons - first, W11 and most Microsoft software these days defaults to storing stuff in OneDrive, technically locally but in a synced folder that then goes straight to Microsoft anyway, and second, how much encrypted telemetry is running Recall going to involve?

[@novadon4729]

Windows and Android in general have always been about choices and ability to chose how you would want your device to work for you. So giving you the option to turn it completely off or chose a specific app to use it for is a win win. Apple on the other hand control how they want you to use your device, so they would have given you no option to chose how to use it.

[@ChristopherTaylor-wj4fv]

I hate this podcast I just hate how they try to shit on everything but apple it’s if yall gona talk about tech do it fairly

[@Haider5c]

Those people know nothing they just apply fanboys

[@petercarlsson6606]

Sure, if you like spy ware...

[@SpeedyDocDOCARMY]

Very sassy and dry comedic podcast today. 😂