Wedding Photographers - Things Need To Change

[@JakeWeisler]

2 videographers being too much but him and his wife are a duo 😭😭

[@WaywardNorth]

@@JakeWeisler wild perspective. Rules for thee but not for me.

[@JimmyMeetsTech]

😂😂

[@carhartphotography]

So glad you did this! That video had me really heated.

[@JairedSullivan-e6m]

It got a little spicy there for a second. Took everything in me to keep it PG

[@benediktandxenia]

Same! I wrote a comment, but I was not sure if I was guided too much by my emotions, so I deleted it. So glad there are people with eloquent communication and a brave heart :)

[@AdalbertoAlmeida_81]

As a photographer and videographer, I have an opinion about this particular photographer that I can’t make public, but I do hope he learns to be a grown up and a better professional. Good for you for calling him out.

[@zandoleemedia9272]

Yo.

[@sunlitfilms]

“Because of you” That was just the best reaction to what he said. So good!

[@hellotmrw]

ooooooo I'm fired up right now. Great take Jared! Thanks for sharing.

[@JairedSullivan-e6m]

Soooo fired up! Appreciate you!

[@tristanscottfilms]

The photo and video team capturing the day in an authentic way and as stress free as possible, while giving the couple the experience and product they want, is what matters to me. The best vendor teams are the ones that want to collaborate together to achieve those goals-in my opinion. If the wedding day, weekend, or week, is about me and what I sell, I’ve failed as a creator.

[@WaywardNorth]

FACTSSSSS

[@Titandog21]

Go off lmao, I’ve been lucky enough to not have worked with a photographer like this yet but glad you’re calling crap like this out.

[@JairedSullivan-e6m]

The last few years has been with some incredible photographers. The early days, I remember this mindset all too well..

[@ryanmorgan398]

Two videographers are much more needed to make the day go smoothly than two photographers.

[@ThePalkadot21]

As a photographer, my second shooters are a necessity on wedding days. Hence why I can see why a videographer would want a team as well! We’re all trying to make magic for our couples and extra people are needed sometimes.

[@Adventuroe]

Luckily I haven’t had to work with too many of these photographers…hope this guy is getting plenty of comments telling him how wrong he is. The couples hired both, both have a right to get the shots they want.

[@WaywardNorth]

I think he took down the vid

[@ForeverEricaxo]

I’ve done several weddings at golf courses, nothing is worse than when both photographers need to go out for portraits and look at me (videographer) like I need to stay behind when there’s only 4 seats on a golf cart. To me the point of two photographers is being able to have coverage in two places at once, not having both of them do the same things all day.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@ForeverEricaxo Ugh this is mad annoying and so disrespectful

[@backlinefilms]

I have gotten pretty lucky with Photographers in the 2 years doing weddings. Most of them already know what We are looking for, and have the couple or wedding party do poses over again with movement "for video purposes". I also have worked with many that ask me before we are done with certain things if I need anything. Video seems to already be in decline lately, and this video could be detrimental to us. Glad he reached out, because it is unfortunate he feels this way. I always start my day by having a conversation with the photographer about my plans and that I am there to work WITH them, and not against them. It makes both of our days and the couples experience so much better.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@backlinefilmsI think that’s why videographers are so passionate about this because Video gets a lot of poor reception oftentimes. It’s gotten better. But I agree videos with this perspective can be so damaging to potential couples interested in video, who become influenced from a bias photo perspective on Video and decide not to do it and then regret it later. Such a disservice to couples. Because Video is a long term investment, it’s not for couples today but 20,30 years when the grey hairs come out, kids are grown, parents are gone, these moments on Video will be ALL THATS LEFT. Appreciate you!

[@nwilsonvideo]

You know, part of the reason I started bringing and setting up multiple cameras for the ceremony and reception was so I could make sure I could get the coverage I need without running around and getting in the photographer's way, too. I appreciate you responding to this video in a more... polite way than I would have haha

[@AverageDadMTB]

EXACTLY

[@WaywardNorth]

Well said! It's also to their benefit but it's viewed as a nuisance in this video for some reason.

[@photosbyjames_]

What I found works really well as a videographer is if I get the vibe that the photographer is assertive, is to allow the photographer to get his posed shots as well as candid shots is once the photographer has posed/directed the couple and before the photographer starts snapping away, I would say “after you are done with this shot, can you also get the couple to do this (like whisper a joke in their ear, or get the couple to look at each other and tell them how good they look), so I let the photographer be the one directing but I also ensure he includes a shot that I want for myself, and during this short 15 second duration, I would take 2 or 3 shots to cover different angles to avoid having to say “let do this again”

[@TwoQs]

I watched so much of your content through 2023 in preparation for a wedding I filmed later that year. I'm still editing it a year later because the photographer gave no fucks and is in EVERY shot. Complete opposite experience from the first and only other wedding I filmed. I pulled up your channel today to get creative juices flowing and laughed when I saw this was the last video posted.

[@mattroelsgard]

"Know your place, Boy!" 😂 Seriously I laughed out loud so many times... Listening to this guy talk makes me appreciate SO very much the awesome photogs I've had the pleasure of working with! Side note, not sure how his head fits through the door... EGO is a killer of many things. Great video! 😁

[@WaywardNorth]

EGO plagues many in this industry. I was a victim early on but shifted my mindset and so thankful I did!

[@axcelraul1752]

totally love this, as a wedding videographer who has had to deal with photographers like this guy, this needs to go viral to create more awareness.

[@WaywardNorth]

Appreciate you!

[@reynaldohernandez1425]

I’m often in both sides of the isle and it’s very important to communicate to each other so everybody gets the shots needed. When I shoot photo I always want the video guy to get the shots he needs and I expect to be treated the same way. The photographer complaining in the video is the kind of guy I don’t want to see in a wedding day. Unfortunately there are more photographers with that Actitud than videographers at least in my experience.

[@andre_zeferino]

Crazy to think that while yes most of my couples have booked me after the photographer their feedback is 90% of the time “the film was the best thing to come out of our special day”. Again underlining that so far every photographer I have worked with has been outstanding and that comes down to two things. 1- their personality and 2- communicating way before the wedding day. We are there for the couple not for our personal takes of what “priority” is. Great video as always ❤️

[@aarontyreeproductions]

I’ve directed the couple and suggested shots and photographers have said it’s one of the best ones they took all day or oh wow that’s so good!

[@WaywardNorth]

Same! So many photographers actually appreciate a unique perspective. When you lean into each others strengths, magic happens

[@southpeakphotography68]

@@WaywardNorthyes I’ve even had photographers ask for my input and the way we bounced ideas off of each other worked so well. I think we both got better shots because we worked together. The end goal is to make the couple happy. If we can’t get our shots working together, the last thing the couple needs is their hires fighting each other all day.

[@bboyswoosh87]

I think, I’m very different because I shoot both photos and video. I’ve worked on both ends and even worked with a team where I’m working with a terrible videographer team where they blame the photographer to the client. You know it’s important to all work together so the couple is having a great time.

[@airisfilmsweddingvideographer]

Thank you for having our back! Its all experience and communication... Priority is couple, making great pictures & film for them. guy need to leave he's ego at home before going to wedding... 😅 Communication is the key!

[@WaywardNorth]

100% Appreciate you!

[@wangmedia]

And his response is to wait for part 2. He just keeps building friction between photogs and videograohers.

[@WaywardNorth]

He's getting those views I guess

[@aefilmsweddings]

For 90% of my shoots I'm a-okay being the Photographers shadow as I shoot very candid and don't always need people looking at my camera like they do, but I always communicate with the photographer before hand to let them know I might jump in here and there with some shot ideas but I'll never interrupt them if they are actively trying to capture a shot. The best weddings are when I'm on the same page as the photographer because at the end of the day we're both just trying to make the bride and groom happy. Good communication makes things better for everyone.

[@WaywardNorth]

Totally agree! Lack of Communication and Ego are the main suspects for poor experiences, stigmas, and stereotypes.

[@AtomicPixel]

Agree with your sentiment, brother. It's photo and video in tadem and we're both serving the couple. It's not hard to work together. Weird how some photographer's think it's their show. I've def ran into these types.

[@kenneysphotosandfilm7991]

Another thing that gets me is working with a videographer with one main lens and it’s a 70-200 and they have to stand miles away to get their shots and expect me to do the same! I understand how expensive lenses are because I’ve bought them! Maybe you should do the same! I’m so glad you made this video. I will say most photographers I’ve worked with are great but some need to get the stick out of their ass and realize we both are valued by the couple and BOTH have a job to do!! He says he has worked with some videographers he loved, why, because they kissed his ass and put their creativity aside to accommodate his?

[@JimmyMeetsTech]

I shot my first wedding this weekend , and I liked that my photographer had a vision for my first day filming😅, but eventually collaboration ahead of time will be necessary or it will hurt the photos the videos AND the client experience

[@WaywardNorth]

@@JimmyMeetsTech When you are just getting started absolutely it can be amazing having someone else in the drivers seat but over time you’ll want equal parts collaboration to create your signature product.

[@JimmyMeetsTech]

@@WaywardNorth I’m excited to start directing once I get over the anxiety of the unknowns and just hoping I don’t miss anything critical!

[@JimmyMeetsTech]

@@WaywardNorth also I’m glad you made this video it’s really going to be valuable moving forward

[@Takeiteasy376]

Can I just say, working the wedding industry for 6 years-I never had a bad experience, I do both video and photo-lots of times one or the other. So I’ve worked with both photographers and videographers. And you know what? I never had this entitlement that one is superior than the other. I always consulted with the other person(s) I’m working with to get a run down of what they needed and how they wanted to work together. Ultimately it’s the bride and groom’s decision who is the lead role anyways-so for him to say photography trumps all, isn’t always the case.

[@ryanmorgan398]

Great video. I do both photography and videography. I started out doing photography and now do videography and my mind changed completely. You are absolutely right thank you for this video.

[@samuelwalkerphotography]

You are so spot on. My wife and I are a photo and video team. We have worked very hard to find a flow that allows for photo and video to work well together and achieve beautiful results on both sides. I act as the main director (doing video) and therefore we get lots of motion and activity with the couple, plus beautiful soft intimate moments. For photo our couples say they love the naturalness and joy they see in their images vs being still and stagnant. That is the biggest problem with most photographers is they don’t know how to make couples look natural and they are very stiff. I have a ballroom background of 9 years full time and also 25 years in the arts. So i have no problems getting couples to look great standing or moving, whilst looking natural. If this photographers couples were as natural and happy as he says they are when he’s in charge, the videographers wouldn’t need to ask for anything because the couple would not be stiff. However if he as I suspect is not giving the vibe to the couple that he wants from them, they are most likely not as natural as he claims. Also having done both photo and video for years, I know that photographers definitely need to get off their high horse and learn what videographers need.

[@zandoleemedia9272]

I've done many weddings. Part of our process is to call or email the vendors we'll be working closely with in advance to go over expectations and needs. Guess how many photographers have reached out in advance of a gig? 0 Not even once. Photographers still think that it's "their gig" but they don't want the responsibility of the leadership that comes with that ownership. We recently started offering Photography, for one primary reason - Pre-Production Meeting. Every couple should demand this of their creative team vendors. If not, you are rolling the dice.

[@tristianbrown1404]

So glad you did this! Its a needed conversation.

[@MarkLargo]

I like that particular photographer but his video turned me off. Some wedding photographers are so oblivious. I worked with a recent photographer who literally went in front of my camera during the exchange of vows. Totally ruined the shot. I had to tell the couple what happened.

[@manilamartin1001]

Thank you very much. I ended up putting a whole team together because I was too frustrated just being a videographer at a wedding. Now you have to book both video and photo from me or it's a no go.

[@WaywardNorth]

Boom! Love that

[@aarontyreeproductions]

Never thought I’d hear Jairad rant 😂

[@edwardwalkerjr.4359]

Every second of this video was necessary!!

[@WaywardNorth]

Haha honestly, me either.

[@GarethMcGilvray]

I tell you what, behind closed doors away from the couple, this photographer and I (wedding videographer) would be having some words. His opinions are an absolute joke, your opinions are on point 100%

[@alexandrkim6304]

Please keep this video forever.

[@AaronTharpe]

Great response video with a ton of perspective and generosity on your end. You could have justifiably destroyed him for some honestly ignorant takes, but you chose the high road. Here are my big takeaways as someone who has been working high-end weddings for 2 decades: - His opinions reveal the market / level of weddings he works. I think his perspective is common and maybe even slightly justifiable (though still not very self-aware) for photographers in the mid-level market. I think that could be said for almost any vendor who is working those weddings too though. We hear it often from videographers who have to deal with DJ's who just picked all their gear up at a radioshack that week. In that light, I do think photographers often actually ARE priority for those couples...sometimes even functioning as a defacto planner. Once you get into higher end weddings and the luxury market though, these realities are non-existent. Every vendor is top tier and high priority, and should be treated respectfully as such. - His comparison of wedding videographer to a BTS photographer on a narrative film set is fundamentally a bad faith position. Those are two creatives hired to capture different objectives. One is capturing the scene, and one is capturing behind the scenes. For a wedding, both pros are hired to capture the scene in our own context. An honest comparison of situations would be a commercial photographer and a commercial filmmaker both being hired by a brand to shoot a campaign. We do this often, and it requires transparent communication and even compromise for both parties to be able to achieve their objectives, but neither takes priority over the other. The client needs both. A talented professional understands this and knows how to achieve their goal and also support the other professionals in their needs - He spoke a few times about how difficult it would be to show up to a corporate job, and try to do it while having several other individuals interject their opinions or try to do part of your job or do it differently. This is VERY LITERALLY what he's suggesting a photographer should be able to do to a videographer. - It might surprise him to learn, around 30-40% of our clients hire us first. Often even before their planner or before securing a date / venue. We get countless inquiries where we are literally their first message they send out. We've even had a handful of couples over the years who didn't plan to hire a photographer, because they've literally heard horror stories (probably from content exactly like his) about how complicated it is, but they valued video the most. We encouraged every single one of those clients to hire one because they would be missing out on a craft and perspective that we think is just as valuable as what we do. So for his stance to be honestly positioned, that would mean that in those cases of weddings, he would need to defer to the videographer. Is he ready to do so? Or is he simply assuming he is always priority? The only way for this concept to be remotely logical and good-faith, would be if he polled every couple to find out their priority, and responded accordingly to his role. - At the end of the day, photographers with this perspective are going to struggle to break into luxury markets, and for good reason. I'm sure he meant well with his content... but it was misguided or ignorant at best. I hope he can have some honest conversations to gain a bit of perspective moving forward. Keep up the great content! - Aaron

[@WaywardNorth]

This is SO good! I appreciate your insight and wisdom here. This dialogue needs to happen more and I honestly took this video down at first at the photographers request but I feel like we all need this. Not to defame, criticize, or personally attack but to learn, grow, and evolve in our practice and mindset for the betterment of our products. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and provide this incredible transcript!

[@AaronTharpe]

Absolutely. What’s ironic is, we get a massive number of our referrals from photographers because what we do makes their product and their client’s experience so much better, so we make their jobs easier. By deciding we are priority, we would be doing our clients and ourselves a massive disservice. That is a perspective our dear OP needs to experience first hand, but likely won’t with this mentality.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@AaronTharpe Dang, shoulda said this in the video because there's no much truth to that lol. I completely agree. Im hopeful this video/negative attention maybe created some level of discernment. I think Jake and Nate are going to do a podcast with him so if that happens, that will be interesting! I kind of just want him to make a follow up video, accepting the way things came across, voicing more context around his experiences, and opening the floor to understanding this world more. I think that video would garner a lot more positive attention and even respect for the accountability of it all.

[@davinshi.visuals]

Love this take! I’ve luckily never worked with a photographer like this but at the end of the day, the couple hired BOTH of you. In other words, he’s invalidating the couple and doing more harm than good. We also like to ask our couples WHY they want video. Many simply want a recap of the day because they heard they will regret it if they don’t. Others want to share this with their kids and re-live it in their old age. The latter is my ideal client because they usually hire a photographer that is a bit more story driven. Overall, the couples’ response to that question and the style of the photographer tell me a lot about the kind of day I’m going to have. Documentary/Artistic photographers that aren’t obsessed with ending up in Vogue are usually using poses that involve movement and make both of our lives easier.

[@WaywardNorth]

LOVE this question and I do the exact same thing. Like you said, it tells you so much about what the couples value and having a photographer that tackles the day with the same approach and philosophy is so important to avoiding these negative experiences.

[@brianroberge4226]

Wow, this guy! I've never really had a problem with a photographer, but I have only done 5.

[@thom100]

This is the type of photographer that made me decide to offer photo + video only - SO MUCH EGO. "the wedding day just goes so much better if you shut up and let me work"

[@davinshi.visuals]

It’s making me want to start offering photo video also!

[@manilamartin1001]

I ended up doing the same. I was a videographer but now I do both.

[@WaywardNorth]

So many companies have adopted photo as a service over this poor sport mentality. Maybe we should thank him?

[@NikolayChernichenko]

I agree with you on this. Thank you!!!!

[@WaywardNorth]

Thanks for watching!

[@valentinemcleod]

A great take on a video with a poor take. Nice work at voicing my exact feelings of this video, and shedding light on the videographers perspective. It's funny how I actually worked with a photographer the weekend before I saw Luke's video, who had the same attitude. Probably the most notable moment being, after she had run them thru a narrow tunnel twice, she huffs about "OOHHH, gotta do it again for video" in a snarky voice. Which was the first suggestion or request I had in our bridal party session. I find it sad that some have this attitude. I'm thankful i often get hired as an associate in a lot of photo + video packages where we are with one company, representating and working together. If I had to work with photographers with Luke's attitude regularly, I would probably work in a different industry.

[@WaywardNorth]

Its so unfortunate! I would have quit if I had this experience non-stop. It would be impossible for you to create an authentic product if it's always being dictated by the photographer whose style is less than ideal.

[@handcraftedcinematography1238]

I think the underlying issue is that wedding photography attracts people who enjoy working independently and they often have big egos on top of that. Most of the photographers I've worked with are not used to cooperating or collaborating with another vendor and a lot of them just don't want to deal with it, leading to them being dismissive of your needs or just just having no spatial awareness in the heat of the moment. I've tried a lot of things to mitigate this. Proactive and and persistent communication can work wonders, but only if the Photographer is willing to listen to you and work around your needs. In the past I even started a company with a photographer so that we could offer combined packages and hopefully avoid conflict between the photographer and videographer by working together, but even then we had issues. Most photographers have these "spring into action" moments where they zero in on what they want and completely forget about what is going on around them, which I can understand but they also don't realize that my video camera is not always as mobile as they are and I can't just shoot around them if they decide to plant themselves in front of my tripod. I also very frequently feel as if photographers look down on the work I do and view it as not as important, or possibly even a threat to them. I have started to lose hope that this conflict can ever be truly resolved. I'm at the point where I don't think I want to shoot weddings anymore unless I can find a way to shoot both photo and video myself to just completely sidestep these issues. With 6k and 8k cameras becoming more and more common and affordable, it is feasible to shoot high resolution video at a high framerate and just grab stills from it for the photography. This would completely eliminate this issue, and probably result in a better overall product since the photographer and videographer wouldn't have to share territory and time to get what they need. So the moral of the story as I see it is that photographers need to learn to work with us or we may just find a way to cut them out of the equation.

[@WaywardNorth]

So well said and very true!

[@WeLoveFilmPT]

Even if the couple hires a photographer and a videographer with different styles, both have to respect each others space and work together during the day. Communication between teams is key, and giving room for the other to work is really important. The client will expect you both to deliver what they hired you for, not for you to piggyback on the photographer or vice versa. If you have little time for the couples session, together you should find a strategy to get trough it the best way possible, so everybody wins. Honestly even if this guy has had bad experiences with some videographers, it's no excuse. He sounds like a primadonna that thinks the wedding day revolves around him. I doubt that he gets along with any videographer...

[@NickEaton-m1m]

Dude... We just need one videographer... we just need half a videographer - Got me to subscribe with that line. I love this video.

[@WaywardNorth]

Haha glad you are here! Appreciate you for taking the time.

[@PioneerFoto]

….I can’t love this video enough…..this is the video of the yeeeeeaaaarrr!!!! 👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@memories4lifeHochzeitsvideo]

His video is no longer available.

[@TimThornburg]

I’ve worked with enough photographers where you can kind of feel. It’s the underlined thought they have, but they don’t really wanna say it. I will tell you that being quiet and going along with it has not yielded, poodles and oodles of money it usually results in the Photographer just not referring you or they don’t care they’re on the next thing.

[@skymakai]

As a videographer I was on the photographer’s side until he started complaining about too many cameras and camera operators. If he knew the first thing about video, he’d know the more cameras we have for video, the less we need to be “in the way” of the photographer. That really made it clear to me that his position was not collaborative. He truly does look down upon the videographer. 😢

[@jacobgrimwade6548]

Which is crazy because I could create great photos but as a photographer he could not come close to my video

[@scottayoder]

Great video! I have done both wedding photo and wedding video full-time for 5 years. Most of the weddings I do are hybrid where I am doing both photo and video. But there are lots of weddings where I'm only doing photo or only doing video. So I feel I have expereince in dealing with both sides of the fence here. When I'm at a wedding doing photography, I make a point to communicate with the videographer BEFORE the wedding to make sure both of our expectations are met. This guy's attitude towards videographers sucks! Definitely a superiority complex going on here. I will say that in my experience of doing both, doing wedding photography has a lot more involved in the aspect of almost being a wedding coordinator as well. The couple often looks to us as the one who actually IS directing everything. However, I always make sure I am giving the videographer plenty of oppurtunity to direct and get the shots they want to get. When I pose couples for photo, I am doing a lot of poses with motion because I know it's needed for video. But it also looks great for photo too! Every videographer I have worked with has expressed their graditiude to me at the end of the night for constantly making sure they're getting what they need. I always tell them we are a team and the couple and their expereince with BOTH of us is the most important!! This guy needs to relax.

[@wildwedding]

Regarding angles. I bring more so I can establish dominance 😝😝. I’ll be his Dom

[@arturojimenezjr6275]

#4 is crazy

[@RachelLee]

04:40 im seriously in the process of writing a blog/youtbe video about this little topic to educate couples because theyre just naive to what they are setting things up for by not budgetting equally for both equality 1st and foremost, but to touch on value of photo: I'm seeing an interesting increase of more inquiries through 2025 for video (and content creation even) before couples have booked photography, and 2 past brides of mine who now have kids and started a family, they tell me their kids are watching their wedding film weekly (via their video album or Vidflow app when they give their kid their phone), quoting their personal vows, etc -- bringing their family/story so much joy... while they have maybe 1-2 wedding day photos hung up in the house. theyve said "our wedding day was a time in our lives but those images dont reflect my current family anymore.. i hang our updated portrait session pics"

[@joshualelo]

20:41 this is the actual truth and essence of this photographer's take. his tips are not meant to improve the experience of his clients as much as they're meant to improve the experience of the photographer. i'm actually really surprised he made this video. I've watched a lot of Luke's content and normally his views/perspective are so much more helpful than this. i wonder if any of the wedding videographers that he has good relationships with will see this and reach out to him to kindly help correct some of his views. i hope so...because i'm sure the comment section on his video will not be so gentle

[@calla211]

This is such a succinct and precise breakdown of why the video bothers me so much. If you want to make a rage/bait post about everything that annoys you when collaborating with another vendor, so be it. Just don't masquerade it as helpful "advice." Someone getting into this might actually take it to heart--and it'd really harm them professionally, with lasting consequences. That's what I'm afraid of.

[@WaywardNorth]

Good thoughts! The comment section wasn't on his side on this one.

[@joshualelo]

@@WaywardNorth Looks like he removed the video from his page as it's no longer on his youtube channel. Smart move, glad he was able to receive the constructive criticism from his fellow vendors, both photographers AND videographers. I wonder if he'll ask you to unlist this video now, since he clearly no longer wants it on his public channel

[@WaywardNorth]

@@joshualelo I wonder if he even saw this video and just started getting hit with comments which led to him taking it down. I hope he comes back with a I messed up video or some kind of let me explain video. Like you said, he’s got a great channel with useful tips. This one just didnt bode well.

[@FranciscoAlvarezTV]

I’m SO making a video about this “beef” 😂.

[@williamkranski]

Overall, most photographers that i have worked with have been really good. Only a couple times where I have had issues, mostly with them jumping in and out of scene oblivious to me trying to film.

[@WaywardNorth]

Honestly, same! It's been years since I've experienced this unfortunate mindset.

[@williamkranski]

@WaywardNorth hopefully it means tensions are being thawed between the two groups. I second shoot every once in a while as well for Photographers, so I get both sides. My style is generally let the photographer run the show, and then I offer advice, or ask for certain things if I see something that would look great for video.

[@unashamedfilms]

I believe he deleted the video 🤣 I was going to show my wife now (who’s a photographer and was mind blown by this guy) and we couldn’t find the video.

[@gatewayvisuals8777]

I guess he could not stand by his words when it got hot in the comments 🤣

[@rayromanfilms]

He's been in the industry for over a decade and he can't think of any videographers he'd recommend to couples, but he says he's worked with videographers he's "loved"? LOL Yeah, this guy sounds like a clown, is a complete unknown to the industry and obviously thinks he's a legend in his own mind. I run into unprofessional, insecure photographers here and there, but there's plenty of professional and confident ones that understand the concept of teamwork. At the end of the day, if you can't figure out how to overcome obstacles on a wedding day, good luck having any type of success in the highend luxury market.

[@unashamedfilms]

Who’s he? 🤷🏽‍♂️ He’s known where? That decade seems like it hasn’t taught him anything. We promote teamwork even more due to our reliance on a proper and organized workflow. Picked first? With such an emotional way of looking at things, there’s no shred of emotional maturity just on the way he’s addressing his viewers. He probably has had a lot of bad experiences and who knows why, but that attitude? Guaranteed is exhibit number 1 on the issues list. 😂

[@Kiwireels]

I'm pretty sure I seen this guy walk on water once 😂...with the camera as well

[@WaywardNorth]

Totally agree!

[@WaywardNorth]

@@Kiwireels Haha this was gold

[@edwink0]

Ray, the perception out there is still that photography is preeminent and that it takes priority on all shots. It's becoming incredibly frustrating when wedding moments that are motion and audio-based (entrances, dances, toasts) are being interrupted by photographers who think they have the right of way at all times. The hubris has reached all-time levels. As have the prices for run-of-the-mill photographers. Photogs showing up ill-equipped with one body and a 35mm and planting themselves in the middle of the aisle. Something has to give. I'm speaking as someone in the mid-range market. I have no clue what goes on in the luxury market.

[@kernzilla]

dude i just came here to say i hope things are all good in your neck of the woods, the news coming out of the Carolinas is beyond devastating, hope you're well up there 👍

[@WaywardNorth]

Appreciate you brotha! Western Carolina has been devastated and it's such a heartbreaking scene. Thankfully we are safe and well. Appreciate you!

[@kernzilla]

@@WaywardNorth glad to hear that, this aftermath has been a mess for many. starting to see a lot of wedding logistics shuffle drastically down here in FL, lot of uncertainity.

[@SaltandPineFilms]

The way I cackled out loud when you said "bring a little videographer" 😂 But in all seriousness, this is a great and very respectful take while still being real, Jaired. We've all had this experience and can all serve our couples better by checking our egos at the door. We once worked a wedding with a photographer who brought two additional photographers and an assistant. It did nothing to impact our working relationship because at the end of the day, the photographer was a team player and understood our value the way we understood his. I truly believe there are more team players out there than there are non-team players and we'd all do well to remember we're there to do the same thing.

[@WaywardNorth]

Hahaha I got a little spirited the more I watched. I tried to keep it as respectful and honest as possible. And I know this photographer truly meant well and he can really only speak from his own experience which feels like he has had more negative ones unfortunately. Im with you! The landscape has evolved so much and I 100% believe there are more team players than not. Appreciate you taking the time! You both are LEGENDS!

[@SaltandPineFilms]

@@WaywardNorth Thanks dude! Right back at you!! :)

[@DurandFilmsTV]

Can’t find the original video, I think he took it down

[@puluqemil]

Great video !!!!

[@mylescharron3746]

The funniest part about all this is I’m expecting to go to his page and see some stellar work and majority of it is lacking contrast with blown out skies (my opinion of course)

[@WaywardNorth]

@@mylescharron3746 Everyone has a style and approach. His channel is full of really genuine videos for other photographers. This video just a bit tone deaf and needed some more context on his behalf.

[@mylescharron3746]

@@WaywardNorth super tone deaf. It’s unfortunate but many other photographers share his point of view. They do not understand our workflows.

[@danielkahozi2009]

Where can I find the entire video of this photographer?

[@WaywardNorth]

I think he made it private

[@aleapeters]

Sometimes I shoot both photo/video on a wedding day. Sometimes just one or the other. I've worked with a few other videographers and LOTS of other photographers. Honestly most of his gripes can be applied to either side. And anybody that goes into a wedding with that sort of combative mindset I wouldn't want working at my wedding!

[@WaywardNorth]

100% It exists on both sides of the aisle and this video is so important to show new videographers and photographers how we should approach the day to make the best product and experience possible.

[@youngvideography_my]

Well said and well delivered Jared! We have been very lucky and blessed to work with some good photographers in our area, but every now and then we get one like this one sided yahoo. We go out of our way to work with photographers to ensure they get what they need while still getting what we need. If I had a nickel for every time a photographer walked in front of my camera, id be a rich man🤣Thank you for making this video!

[@WaywardNorth]

Im so go with the flow these days its SO hard to frustrate me on wedding days. But I feel this one would some how manage to do it within the first 10 minutes.

[@youngvideography_my]

@@WaywardNorth so I tried to find the original video, did dude pull his video down?

[@WaywardNorth]

@@youngvideography_my He took it down

[@karyleianawildernesscapes]

6:06 I've been in BOTH scenarios & you're absolutely correct, it depends on the COUPLE. & it's not inherently true that couples book one service over the other in "priority" -- sometimes, couples who value video will pick the photog first bc they're taking more time to find the "right/perfect" video team, vice versa. "Getting booked first" doesnt/shouldn't automatically make you the Top/#1 Priority of the day. I'm very grateful that as I've stepped into the Wedding/Event space -- this is my first official year -- I've 2nd & Priority shot w/an amazing Production team. As well as my own bookings. Thus far, it's been 100% collaborative between Video & Photo teams...I didn't realize that seems to be the exception, not the norm 🙃. I'm subbed to Luke. I didn't watch this video of his bc I saw it directed at Videographers, so it wasn't relevant to me 😅. But when KZbin recommended this video to me & I saw the title, I knew immediately you were addressing his video lol I will say, most times (photography related) he has great takes & insight...this unfortunately, wasn't one. I found it to be disrespectful/hypocritical. Such a shame. But I'm glad it lead me to your video/channel, I want to know more from Videographer POV.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@karyleianawildernesscapes Love this perspective! And glad KZbin led you here. We definitely need more constructive conversations on how we can help each other. Appreciate you!

[@fitzgeraldfilmsMN]

It’s hilarious when the photographer says oh we don’t have time to get your poses. We’re running behind. I’m like I need literally 25 seconds how will 25 seconds affect anythibf

[@lifeinhisimage]

Did he delete the video? I was gona head over and unload a couple pennies but I can’t find it 😅

[@WaywardNorth]

@@lifeinhisimage yeah he did

[@underdogproductions1588]

For how hot that guys take was his pictures are suuuuuper middddd with no style. I expected straight fire. The last photographer I worked with who had a bit of an ego backed it up with stunning work. This dude has lukewarm talent at best.

[@WaywardNorth]

Oof I didn't even see his work. Just went straight to venting about these hot takes lol

[@underdogproductions1588]

He pulled the video! 🤣

[@KyryloAlekseev]

It's weird how simple truth that both parties are there to serve couple and was hired to do what they do might be overlooked with the ego

[@WaywardNorth]

@@KyryloAlekseev I love how far we’ve come but it seems we still have a ways to go.

[@pureheartvisuals]

This was hard to watch. We should never forget that the Clients are the most important people on the Wedding Day that have Expectations of all the Services they took their hard earned money and paid for based on what they previewed while meeting with each vendor and selected. This is to the entire Industry, No one Vendor should assume they are priority for the Client. The sad thing is that, the Client getting ANYTHING less than what they deserve on their once in a lifetime Event for their multiple paid services that they “can’t recreate”…. was destroyed unnecessarily and even with malice. Again This is not directed at any one person, but impolitely walking in front of each other’s cameras(shots) or not sharing concern for the Big Picture of their important day in the multiple formats they will want to view in reliving their Day….destroying the Clients future memories of the day in photo or video clearly makes you not only a horrible Business person but even more so a horrible human being that is willingly destroying a Client desired end Product. We ALL need to do better and never forget this is a once in a lifetime events for the Couple, their parents and closest family and friends - selfishness should be no where near this Wedding Day.

[@WaywardNorth]

Totally agree!

[@Morganscottfilms]

As much as I wanna play devil's advocate for this guy with some of those points, he kept digging himself in a hole every time he elaborated on each point. Also explaining himself also showed me the type of clients he has. There's no way this guy does high end weddings. I'd be very surprised.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@Morganscottfilms agreed, I kept trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he just kept going. Boils down to working with inexperienced videographers and that is probably within the low/mid market.

[@edwink0]

Photogs are beginning to remind me of skiers in the late 80s and early 90s who were annoyed by snowboarders and told anyone who would listen that snowboardering was an obnoxious, passing fad and that they should simply keep out of the way of skiers.

[@JaymesMedia]

Dude would really hate to work with me. My second shooter and I remind them that we are there if they try to take over. Thank god I have met some amazing photographers I love working with.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@JaymesMedia good communication and playing well with others shouldn’t be so hard. I do see some of his frustrations but it definitely boils down to the lack of experience and communication.

[@JaymesMedia]

@@WaywardNorth I agree with you 100%

[@purpleweddingfilms]

Can you please share the link of the original video

[@WaywardNorth]

@@purpleweddingfilms he took it down

[@purpleweddingfilms]

@@WaywardNorth how convenient

[@Dygo784]

He is not right! I do both videos and photos and when we are only hired for videos we do work along with the photographers and communicate with them all the time .

[@JairedSullivan-e6m]

Communication is KEY!

[@gildedheartfilms5515]

I see where both of them are coming from. A big reason I book as much as I do now a days 3 years in which is typically 30-50 weddings a year generating up to 150K in revenue, is I sell my couples on not making their day into a film production. I like a very very small footprint and not engaging too much with the couple for specific stylized shots. I find a lot of middle class clients in the 2-6K range really look for that, but I'm sure that preference exists in all markets. There's no point to argue about this though, we all sell our own experiences and we were hired for a reason......you know?

[@WaywardNorth]

Totally understand your point of view and appreciate it! I think the biggest reason this video was so alarming is not only the photographers control obsession but the decade long journey he has endured in the industry and his mindset fails to recognize why collaboration is so much better. I love being a fly on the wall as well but if the photographers style is vastly different and the couple is expecting my unique product. How will I provide what my client expects if I'm at the mercy of a photographers creative direction? if my voice is silenced, how does that benefit the couple and the video they paid for? I think every wedding professional should see the value in each other, recognize that we are all assets to the success of this day and the experience that will always be remembered by the couple.

[@trishhorton3419]

Thanks for this. I could feel the heat coming off you, but you kept an articulate counter argument nonetheless on this video. I'm in the same city as this creator. I feel like this was a not too well thought out rant on videographers and click-bait. I think both videography and photography and are a saturated market (with varied experience levels) in a lot of cities, and there is a fighting for space mentality that surfaces with so much ego. It was apparent that he feels the experience he brings to the couple outweighs everyone else, and somehow it dictates the agenda. Is it impossible to think that a couple may have varying tastes in genres for their photography and videography? As a photographer I spend a decent amount of time watching videographer content. It helps me incorporate more movement. If I have not met the videographer exchanged an email or a quick call my quick first conversation is what is your working style? let me know if I'm in your way (I'm human and get hyper-focused) and I try to make sure they are getting what they need. The optimist in me says we all have something to bring to the table.

[@WaywardNorth]

Love that, we definitely all bring a unique perspective to the table and it just takes a simple email, kind approach, collaborative spirit to ensure everyone gets what they need, the couple is happy, and we all create beautiful art together.

[@jankelley6002]

Plus photographers can use photoshop to fix their picture. We can’t fix video like that.

[@benbashor6848]

I don't really care if I sound negative but his entire video was an absolute joke😂 appreciate you covering this man

[@WaywardNorth]

It was hard to watch

[@puzzlemanproductions]

Did he remove the video?

[@WaywardNorth]

@@puzzlemanproductions he did

[@fabricechopin4757]

👏👏👏

[@carlraetzsch]

I went to go say 'hi' to Luke, but it looks like the poor guy took his video down.

[@lumosmediahouseweddings9953]

I never understood how vendors get bookings when they're so rude to other vendors. For me a lot of my jobs come from referral, so it blows my mind that cooperation is such a low priority.

[@hai.d.nguyen]

💯💯💯

[@imjoshuacase6335]

Yea, Luke is the problem... lol

[@JairedSullivan-e6m]

Haha Im sure he is a nice fella, away from weddings, far, far away...

[@moorememoriesvideo7070]

I can’t seem to find this video on his channel.. I’d like to comment lol

[@WaywardNorth]

I think he took it down because of the negative responses.

[@moorememoriesvideo7070]

@@WaywardNorth too good. Love your content here, keep it up!

[@brianrbraxton1494]

Luckily my wife and I are a photo video team so I get to work with her at most weddings. But in my experience with other photographers, they turn the wedding into more of a production. Wanting to pose and “fake” everything for the photos. Whereas good videographers really just want to allow the couple to enjoy real authentic moments because that’s what makes a good film. Maybe this photographer should “know their priority” and capture the wedding day in an authentic way, instead of stressing about a fellow vendor trying to do their job 😂

[@WaywardNorth]

@@brianrbraxton1494 Facts! In my response in his comment section I brought that up. Most times photographers detract from the day and make it feel less authentic which can take away so much potential from our end product. It’s a terrible mentality that exists but I’m hopeful for change

[@sardanapalos]

those type of gus have made me work in 200 heart bpm.... i don't need that thing when i m working....that negativity is unforgettable

[@whateveryoucall7031]

the original title of his video is wild lol. What did he take? I wanna know his drug dealer lol

[@t.moorephotovideo9832]

Clearly Luke got roasted in his own comment section because he took this video down lol

[@ValenciaVisions]

Love the violence you woke up with Brosama Bin Laden. Thankfully I haven’t worked with many horrible photographers. I always tell them that I don’t want to steal their poses and they soften up a bit. Great video dude!

[@WaywardNorth]

Haha yeah the few times I'll choose this kind of dialogue is when there's controversy that could negatively impact the industry. We gotta be more willing to use our words and collaborate to make our products and experiences ones that our couples truly deserve.

[@alexanderchua]

He deleted the video?

[@NikolayChernichenko]

@@alexanderchua yes

[@alexanderchua]

He is the Karen of photographers. I bet he shoots with a Nikon.

[@jacobgrimwade6548]

The fact the original photographer sat at home and thought to make this video is hilarious. He just came off as very insecure and annoying. He says he wouldn't be able to think of anyone to recommend for video, yet how many jobs has he lost out on because no one wanted to recommend the ego control freak

[@RachelLee]

just deep breathing & long exhales watching his video lol 🤨

[@WaywardNorth]

@@RachelLee out of a brown paper bag lol

[@christianmbabazi9722]

I'm a hobbyist photographer but I'm slowly trying to maybe put some more effort into do more professional work I hope and pray I'm never like this guy . But I can say we can all learn from it

[@AverageDadMTB]

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BRO. YES.

[@AverageDadMTB]

Bet you homeslice has added "Content Creator" to his team to be fully in charge of the shadow vendors.

[@WaywardNorth]

@@AverageDadMTB Wouldn't be suprised.

[@JonathanPajakLensCulture]

This isssssss a willllllllldddddddddd ass take from him lol

[@tomxiong2011]

And this is why I got out of the wedding industry. It’s because of people like this. 😂