We Compare 29 Understable Fairway Drivers

[@thewild9403]

Underworld from Westside is also a great 7 speed under stable driver

[@RizzenMurray]

One of the discs I almost always bag. Now I have a small bag and a small shelf, but learning the Underworld this year has been a lot of fun!

[@johnferguson5658]

For a 890 rated am with a noodle arm, the Underworld is the only disc I can consistently roll. Great anhyzer and hyzer flip flights too..

[@jefferysay5575]

And is so flippy. Seer is also somewhat flippy. Westside seems to never get much love on this channel. But in the real world so manynpeople throw westside. I find it super weird no one talks about it, but so many people bag it

[@thewild9403]

The Maul from L64 is a great 7 speed under stable driver

[@jessholle]

Felt this disc really deserved a place here.

[@jamesrowe7538]

I bag a Maul and, for me, it's an extra long Mako3. The straightest disc in my bag, not counting the Mako3

[@Nordh_DG]

Westside underworld and westside seer has this slot in my bag. Was hoping to see them to compare with others.

[@johnathangarrett1238]

I throw Latitude 64 rivers as my understable/Hyzerflip fairway driver. I have a 154 g Opto air that I use to hit gaps and Hyzerflip lines in the woods with low power, and a 169g goldICE for shots that need to finish right. I love the axiom trance, but as a reliably straight disc that fades. Flies like a -1,2 or -.5,2 for me.

[@brockmartens9382]

I'll add to the trend of suggesting some discs that weren't included. Kastaplast Stig Axiom Virus/MVP Impulse Kastaplast Falk I still loved the video, though!

[@pekkamatikainen3200]

No Discmania discs? Essence? Function? 🥲

[@Disc_golphin]

You should make a poll to see peoples furthest rolling drivers. Then make a video on the top results with Caleb and see how crazy it can get, should def surpass 500 ft

[@wakimura303]

Star wraith for me

[@prattacaster]

Tumbleweed!!!

[@timh8976]

Latitude 64 Diamond in gold orbit plastic 156g is my favorite fairway driver ever since I first threw it 4yrs ago when I started playing. My wife’s favorite driver as well

[@EthanWood757]

The kastaplast Stig and the west side underworld deserve a shout out. Especially the stig. My k1 stig likes 2 things…. Going right, and going far!

[@VojtechRozsival]

Exactly. Leaving out Stig seems strange... (sold out?)

[@Ben-rs2wp]

Before I even watch this video - I am so excited to watch this content. I love understable fairway drivers, thanks for making it!

[@Wren373]

Clash millet is my golden child =) Steady ring soda is a close second but for more of a straight shot.

[@cautiousoptimist1926]

My favorite understable fairway drivers in no particular order: Underworld, Maul and Jackalope. They are reliably understable but have consistent flights. My experience with Roadrunners and Hatchets matched yours; the Falk also gave me that same flight. I tried three Heats before I gave up on them; terrific distance, but very sensitive imo.

[@UncleBud25]

I watched this video for the bloopers!

[@lanceb7556]

Mine are the Lat 64 River, Lat 64 Maul, and the Kastoplast Stig. None of which you threw lol

[@roblieffering8994]

Was really hoping to see Westside Underworld in the line up rather than their Hatchet. 7 6 -3 1 for the Underworld.

[@pekkapkainen5073]

Wow. I was really surprised with the Hatchet! Mine is veeery understable like Underworld

[@davidgelnar5241]

So glad that you had the rhythm trance and drift in the video! Much needed comparison between the three for me.

[@owenmcdonald5806]

No Stig or Falk? Bit odd as they're both really good flippy discs

[@dejugulators]

was hoping for the Falk myself

[@willwright6447]

I would love to see a comparison video of all plastics for innova roadrunner. The vary widely and I love them for lots off different slots for noodle arms like me.

[@Dav963]

That would be a great video! Same with the Mamba and Sidewinder. Stabilty varies so much with the plastic. Looks like their flight numbers are only based on the DX.

[@jvladcliff4083]

I have a Champion RR that is just beefy for me, also noodle arm.

[@ComeatMEOW]

I have star, champion & halo star. Also had the gstar until it decided to hide somewhere in a grassy embankment. They do fly very similar. The halo will have a bit more resistance to turn.

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

Westside Seer and Mint Freetail are my go to US fairway drivers. I'm older, shorter, and arguably less athletic than you, so for me the Jade and the Hatchet and Stag (both in 150 weights) are my go to stable fairways. I am so glad to see you test discs of this sort.

[@stuartschwenke6656]

My Fairway Line Up: Teebird3, River, and F7.

[@chrisp9824]

12:35 Yup, that's how I lost 2 Opto Diamonds including a 170g one which was so good and it sucked to loose it :/ If you're not careful they go so far right, that they leave the field you practice on. Truly exceptional disc, such an advantage on hard left to right holes.

[@discgolfwes]

If you're counting 6 speeds, the Tremor wins this hands down

[@mattsmith1260]

Glad your elbow is feeling better. This is the hardest spot in my bag to fill. So, thank you.

[@youreatowel1103]

My favorite flippy fairway is the Mantra from TSA. Incredible disc and I've got a domey one that flips effortlessly and a board flat one that stays straight and reliably fades out.

[@PatrickCollins-c8k]

Glad you are healthy again, great video.

[@josharam9004]

Drift is my favorite 7 speed. Its very versatile and goes a long ways when I need it to.

[@kspraddiscgolfguy]

Noodle arm here - I get the same flight path from the Trance that you do (probably shorter distance, though). Very enjoyable video - thanks for creating!

[@mikethomas5451]

Yes, as you’ve told us, and experienced players know, plastic types matter. The Leopard3 is my main driver. I have 3 in plain Star plastic (171-170-163g) and they fly for my 200’ noodle arm just like the Rhythm did, which I also have. Slight fade right with a small reliable late fade.

[@mikethomas5451]

Roadrunner flies the same for me, some turn if i hit it right, then solid fade.

[@calebbell5583]

Vandal is my fav

[@Dav963]

That Hatchet is bugged. They always felt -3/1 for me. And Im not a hard thrower, my Insanity flies like your hatchet flew. I get insane distance with my hatchets, but I need to throw them on a lot of hyzer.

[@johnferguson5658]

Westside Underworld is the most understable disc I throw, great for high, anhyzer flights and easy to roll as well.

[@Eaglemadhatter]

My Heat was my fav but it bounced off the fairway and into the trees and weeds. My mvp inertia is my 2nd furthest thrower, well now my 1st.

[@mattrandall7836]

I've been embracing understable drivers as well and it's improved my game! My choice for a fairway is currently a Vortex it's around max weight. Love your videos man, thank you! Hope you had a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[@michaelswick4251]

Westside Underworld and Hatchet are my favorite. Just started to throw the Mint Jackalope. Love Westside

[@HotSauceTimeMachine]

Ever try a 'Seer' I don't think they make it anymore but it's a great US 7 speed. Really cool stamp too.

[@michaelswick4251]

@ I’ve seen them. Haven’t thrown one

[@TheButlerNZ]

Sorta thought the Leopard, being that it's so popular in starter packs, wasn't here... The Leopard 3 and in the OVER over stable discs, Honorary mention to the Latitude 64 Diamond Gold Orbit 10 Year anniversary and the StarLite Boss (Mine does a 360 in the air if thrown RHFH at 11 O'clock and I have to throw at about 50% to prevent a roller from a 45deg Hyzer)

[@rnootebos]

Love the star halo sidewinder - stable as a thunderbird 🤣. champion sidewinders and champion roadrunner. The Hatchett is in my bag too... beat in it's a great turnover disc

[@FrostyPumpernickle]

I’m here to say my F2 neutron relay is reliably overstable. Flies with the same overstability as my champion teebird, both 171g. I almost get more turn with my champ teebird. The relay seems to want to get stable and get down to the ground no matter how hard I try to snap it on a turnover shot. I currently love my halo star roadrunner, but I’ve been throwing a Z-dye cicada off the tee instead. It’ll be hard to replace my 160g beat up DX teebird for 7 speed turnovers, but you’ve given me many ideas of a replacement. Thanks for the video!

[@ivobezuijen2969]

I'd say the Lat64 Brave would also be a great pick for testing, alongside the Kastaplast Stig and Falk, and Lat64 River

[@dwdodgelover]

I highly recommend trying the latest run of the Ozone. They’re more grippy than the first run, and they don’t beat in as quickly. I just hit my first ace with mine :) 21:04

[@StevenFox5290]

Goliath Discs Ark is definitely worth looking at.

[@justbrowsing5279]

Also, per the relay, flight numbers from mvp show -2 for high speed turn. Some retailers mistakenly list it as -3. I throw 350 to 375 max distance with drivers and let me tell you, the Relay is a great disc but I can barely get any turn out of it. I'd say -0.5, 1.5 would be more accurate. Listed like a slightly overstable signal but the two couldn't be further apart. Signal is legit understable. These videos are extremely useful. Even if some of the evaluations aren't quite right due to the throw being too low or what not, if you know what you are looking at you can still tell a lot from a bad throw, or one being compared based on a completely different throw.

[@discgolfingdad5475]

Greg, this is awesome content. Thanks for taking the time to film. My question is whether you have ever measured your arm speed? You keep saying you have a slow arm, but I'd give anything to have those mid-300' drives you put out there. Have you ever measured your speed?

[@SixSidedDiscs]

I think I am average-ish, low 50mph if I recall but I need to try my TechDisc

[@TexMurphy97]

For flippy FDs my favorit atm are 9 speed MVP Impulse and 7 Speed TSA Nuance. Both getting crazy distance for noodle arm on hyzer flip.

[@1magicdad1]

I have a really slow arm speed so I usually use lightweight discs. I use a 158g Lat-64 Maul which for me goes straight with some finish. Great video!

[@ComeatMEOW]

Personally grown a huge liking to the discmania genius premium 7 5 -4 1, it had taught me everything i needed to know and see...it was my favourite until the star leopard3 came into my bag until the halo version kicked it out.

[@dwdodgelover]

Not reviewing the Lat64 River is sad :/ Goat tier Hyzer flip disc

[@ericwalter2944]

This is the slot we’ve been waiting for

[@InbredJed82060]

I recently did a test similar to this. The f5 in 400 plastic took the crown for my arm speed

[@coltonreadnour]

The axiom inspire is awesome, i wish it was in production

[@anthonyrinaldi8242]

I love any video with an insanity, found it as my first fairway driver and it's been in the bag since in multiple plastics now 😂

[@JustinThorntonArt]

23:58 the halo star roadrunner is a completely different disc then other roadrunners.

[@EthanWood757]

19:13 isn’t the gyro supposed to make the disc fly further 🤔

[@bluemagex2517]

Tests undersable discs, including MVP+ brands... Doesn't include any fission plastic... Great video though! Some of the best disc golf content out there. Love seeing more "average" throwing speed content. You throw kinda far for an "average" male arm speed, tbh (Seriously though, a fission Insanity is insanely more understable than a proton one. Pun intended!)

[@hoelktbe]

Having a noodle arm myself, this is the perfect video to watch 😛 Right now I bag a MVP Signal, a TSA Nuance und the Streamline Shift. In the shelf there is a Innova Leopard3, A Latutitude Diamond, Prodigy F7 and F9 and 3 Latitude Jade. Too many nice discs to chosse from...

[@UtahDarkHorse]

Thank you so much for another awesome video. I hope your arm is ok. I can't throw as far as you, but still appreciate your efforts as your closer to my arm speed than Caleb. Your videos are the most helpful for me when researching new discs as I'm mostly looking for a flight shape that's missing from my bag. In this case, the understable discs are a big help considering I'm not good at throwing anhizers and my sidearm isn't quite up to snuff yet. Thanks again.

[@Munchylego]

The Thought Space Mantra would be a great addition to this list. Have you checked that one out yet? Especially Aura plastic. I could even send you one.

[@johndavies1341]

Was hoping to see the Essence! (8/6/-2/1). I'm surprised you were throwing so many max weight discs since they aren't very suitable for weaker throwers. I never buy anything over 168g, especially if I want understable flights. Strangely my Hatchet is super understable and my various Heats are only a little understable, but I love the Heats. My X plastic Heat is very understable but it's basically a different disc from the Z's and ESPs. I've noticed that X line discs tend to be smaller in diameter and more domey.

[@ohmgstav]

This video kind of cements my belief that there should be a 5th flight number for torque resistance. Like I bag both a Diamond and a Roadrunner, and can use both for similar kinds of shots, but I'll have to throw them very differently. To hyzerflip a Diamond, you really gotta backload it, and be real smooth with it to get a flip up and fade, while a Roadrunner is way more torque resistant and while it does still hyzerflip, I'll really need some more omph behind the throw for it to get some turn over on a hyzer. So Roadrunner is more something I'd use off of the tee, whilst Diamonds come in clutch on the fairway, especially when it's a bit muddy or whatever and I don't feel like commiting to a full run up. Or with standstills, I'll rarely throw the Roadrunner on a standstill baring a forced over forehand, whilst the Diamond I have no issues trusting the understability even with out going full power. But I still don't disagree with the flight numbers because when thrown right, I feel they both fly true, just that on a scale of 1 to 10 to torque resistance I'd say the Diamond would place more similarly to an origin, and the Roadrunner more like a Hex. Origin and Hex both being 55-11s, but the Hex especially in glow is imo WAY more torque resistant than an Origin. I don't really know exactly how I'd rate them, but for example on a 1-10, maybe if the origin/diamond have a torque resitance closer to a 2-4, the Roadrunner/Hex would be more of a 5-7. Similarly with approach discs there are countless 4303ish discs that'll behave differently, like a Harp imo is way less torque resistant than say a Zone. And then something like a Roc, is even less torque resistant, but I wouldn't say it should change it's flight numbers to have less fade or more turn etc, but rather just add a 5th rating number. And I guess it still wouldn't make sense if manufacturers added their own torque rating, because when you switch companies, they'd still be irrelevant.

[@Veggamattic]

I was really hoping you might do some Yikun discs fairway drivers because my all time favourite disc is now the Yikun View in Dragon plastic. If you get a chance to try one out that would be great. It is similar to the 2 you threw today but less stable. Very straight actually. You can do almost anything well with this disc...even putt. I have owned 3 and 2 were the same. One felt and looked slightly different and was much more understable. Both my great ones were yellow. Some of the Yikun view plastic seems like you can see an internal ring opposite the rim at the same diameter. These seem more understable. I think it might actually be 2 different plastic types labeled as the same.

[@justbrowsing5279]

Signal and Vortex. Except no substitutes. Proto Vortex in higher weights is a game changer.

[@prattacaster]

Accept???

[@allenhuffman3380]

I just got a relay for Christmas, I will let you know 12/27 how I flies for me. My best drive ever was the Insanity at 363’ so we will see

[@ComeatMEOW]

Try out the piwakawaka by rpm. Its a 6 speed 6 glide -3turn 0 fade. I have the glow version at 180g, i dont have to put much into it to go 260-270 My halo leopard3 brand new turned so much more than my star leopard3 which still turns which has hit several trees.

[@JoeNaz888]

I got a TP Ozone a few months ago. I’m still trying to figure it out but I like it, I think.

[@dejugulators]

g-star hawkeye is a great disc for my medium-strength arm

[@rogerjones332]

I love the Leopard 3 in Star and Halo. Definitely more stable in Halo.

[@adielcerriteno1990]

Nice. I throw a hatchet and an underworld. Ha just finished the video. Hatchet takes some power to turn. I hyzer flip super straight shots with it. Or make it hold high anny/flat shots for slight turns. Gotta throw it hard though. 350ft at least to get the flight. You would prolly like that underworld more

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

Axiom is out of line with the speed rating on the Trance, then. If you have to get it up faster than someone with mid-300's power on other discs can manage to achieve the stated turn/fade, it's more than a 8-speed.

[@luckypennybenny]

MVP drivers do not follow the rim disc formula every time. If you measure one specific spot on the wing, I bet the Trance is the "correct" width for its speed. If you measure from edge of flight plate to edge of wing, it's probably like 2 speed "off" by width. A crave is 16.5mm at the bottom edge of the wing. From where the flat part of the bottom of the flight plate ends to the widest point is 18mm. A crave would be an 8 speed from any other manufacturer besides MVP/Axiom.

[@TheButlerNZ]

Where would we be without Ibuprofen... Not out on the fairway... (Actually at 56 I can throw backhand 300ft all day (and probably the next day too)... But if I throw too many forehand shots I do the opposing lats. or if I crouch with bent knees (why would I possibly need to do that as a machinery repair mech)... Or if I forget when driving my old auto Hi-Ace to stretch out my left foot rather than turn it in and roll on it's side.. (That took some time to figure why my foot felt like it was broken sometimes) or if I wake up one morning and... well sometimes just waking up seems a bad idea... but my arm... bullet proof... Maybe from the Trail bikes and MTB (The bashing from the YZ wasn't too hot after a day of trails)... Probably doesn't help that I spend 9-% of the time slumped in a sofa watching TV. but YES... the (actually not too frequent) times the pain is above the background noise level I don't really notice... a couple of Ibuprofen just seem to do nothing... and by that... I just seem fine.. no pain, no stiffness, no weird effects from medicine... just normal... Just how any medicine should work. (For me that's quite good as apparently after popping a shoulder and deciding the 'Green Whistle' they give you in the ambulance was just making my head funny, so I just put up with the pain... turned out that in some instances I have a high threshold for pain.. (The morphine was supposed to knock me out while they popped the arm back in... I just said well I don't seem to be getting any worse than this.. but I'm real trippy, so go for it... Oddly I couldn't feel any pain at all, just them wrenching on my arm... but all of a sudden I broke out in a full body sweat.. so I told them my bod just reacted to something... so they checked.. yup, the shoulder was back in. The shoulder was out for at least an hour.. I thought that was it for the poor ol muscles (Left arm by the way, which was my lifting arm, right for the fiddly stuff).. I think because it ended up under my chin, all the attached muscles were slack, so didn't over stretch them... 2 things I lernt from that... 1, When your 40 and it's your 1st time in hospital, they tell you nothing... but if you popped a joint. .you NEED physio! don't just b a guy like me.. (Remember that apparent high pain threshold) 2, Concussion isn't just a hit on the head... It's when your brain is asleep but the body is awake (ever had a dream someone threw you a ball and you kick the sheets off... that's like concussion... your dreaming but the body is up and trying to make sense of it all... (Oh and the pain threshold arose with another trailbike accident (oh year that last one was a highside full throttle on a YZ250 in a flat field on a 1000 rider ride)... This time I was nearing 50, another 1000 rider trail on rolling farm hills, long story short I did an impromptu double... but the bike only did a single.. and I supermanned into the ground... A month later, when I woke up with my arm asleep.. and it was just in a normal beside me position... I went to A & E... Went something like this... "Well.. you have a little chip off your Ulna... And you have broken the end off your radios diagonally into the middle of your wrist... and theres some floaty bits of bone in your wrist Are you in any pain"??? - "Meh"

[@benoitsouligny863]

The brave in grand royal is understable for me, F7 , millet are the ones i throw

[@jvladcliff4083]

Nuance, Mantra, F5, Entropy, not on the list, but great US fairway drivers. Also for me an ESP Cicada is what I am using for 7 speed US currently.

[@kunle91]

Did you throw at Pick Central? I remember the two track setup

[@SixSidedDiscs]

I don’t recognize the name, we are in Central Ohio

[@adynrothgar9466]

My 15 year old son can throw the hatchet on some pretty steep hyzer and it will flip up past flat and never come back. It is absolutely understable.

[@carlaufner9350]

Sidewinder and river next boss.

[@Popumz]

I'm really surprised about the Hatchet. Mine is a VIP Sparkle, and it's the flippiest of my fairways.

[@josephwonsetler4981]

Unless I missed it I didn't see/hear the Innova Archangel 8 6 -4 1. One of favorites for my 73 year old arm. My guess you didn't have any in-stock. Would have loved to see what your arm would do.

[@DrMcKay66]

Lat 64° Maul 7,7,-2,1 best fairway driver ive thrown.

[@MA4King]

I'd love to see the distance and dispersion differences of those bigger turn discs on your list thrown on hyzer flip angles. I would bet that you would get a different over all distance winner.

[@robertsoliz6821]

no essence or vandal??

[@Wrongway1346]

I would have like to have seen the Prodigy F9.

[@LaylowPhebe]

Thanks for the analysis! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?

[@SpinDedyes]

My current unstable fairway driver is an F7

[@jaimeperry7326]

Interesting I recently bought a VIP hatchet and mine is very understable ... not quite as domey as the one in the video.

[@liamoverby1823]

What song was played when you did the drift and rhythm comparison?

[@luckypennybenny]

I'm not sure why the RR gets the numbers it does. It has insane PLH variance. It can be anything from -1 to -4 turn. I have stopped recommending it. The sidewinder is far and away the better more consistent mold for 9 speed turning drivers from Innova.

[@tomchap22]

Great content. I am always curious (yet 100% impractical to test) how these all fly once beat in. Maybe putting a few of the more OS ones through the dryer trick 😂

[@justbrowsing5279]

No love for the Signal. Best understable 6 speed in the game.

[@VisualRefinements]

Agreed!

[@kingchuckfinley]

I got a 3 foot money tree…. It has not brought me luck or fortune. Maybe the opposite. I think I got a broken one.

[@brianr1491]

No prodigy is criminal, 500 F7 is my goated flippy fairway for turnovers

[@kevins.6971]

Really wanted to see the Stig, is it just because you don’t have it in stock?

[@SixSidedDiscs]

Yea, we haven’t had much new Kastaplast lately

[@ZPDiscGolf]

Yes the DJ Ant is overstable 8:15

[@Kauppamopo]

29 discs yet not a single from Discmania, they must sell well then lol

[@SixSidedDiscs]

We sold out of the Forge recently, as well as the Genius which is being discontinued, and we just didn’t have any Essence atm

[@justinsimpson9892]

Pretty sure the only 7 speed understable i own is the Sting

[@jeremymcbride5485]

no Maverick?

[@nyqpi33]

Its a bummer that you haopen to get an overstable hatchet. I only throw 330 max with drivers and my hatchet goes about 300 and goes right about 50 feet turning the whole time. I even use the tournament orbit plastic. Some of mine are good roller discs that actually rival my diamond!

[@4dwyn]

I can't remember a test to see if the 6 or 7 glide numbers are just marketing or legit. Have y'all done those videos?

[@SixSidedDiscs]

Not yet…but perhaps in the future

[@tbahall]

Relays are not that flippy, from my experience

[@paulataft967]

Can you share your arm speed?

[@SixSidedDiscs]

No more than low 50mph but I haven’t used the TechDisc lately

[@paulataft967]

@@SixSidedDiscs Thanks! I wanted to get some of the discs in the video but wanted to see what to expect with my arm speed. I'm at 50 so we should match fairly well.

[@renfrog67]

The Trance was one one the biggest disappointments from MVP this year for me. It's nowhere close to those numbers.

[@JohnBell3]

You mean turn 'in the direction of spin'.

[@carlaufner9350]

Hatchet is definitely NOT O/S I don’t have much arm speed and it’s crazy flippy.