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Mistakes happen, and how we learn and grow from those mistakes is the important part, in the end all was well.
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[@BobSmith-mj7ik]

You said it right. Coaching moment. Instead of just yelling at people about what they did wrong. Good management skills.

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

Good managers correct employees in private and praise them in public.

[@cdr-sailor]

To add insult to injury on the fan ground connection, it appears that the wire is wrapped counterclockwise around a screw that tightens clockwise.

[@royalwins2030]

Finding employees that care as much as you do is almost impossible. Good on ya for showing an issue

[@bairfamilyfarm1336]

With the way he cares for stuff, I don't think one exists anywhere in any field of work!

[@gregmercil3968]

We do exist, I happen to be one of those. I wish there were more as well. Sloppy apathetic work with no regard for the company and customer drives me absolutely insane.

[@brockdalgetty4236]

​@bairfamilyfarm1336 what Greg said, we're out here, just very few of us 😢

[@jasonzak4356]

finding companies that care about their employees is harder...

[@CM-ou4zr]

Why should an employee care as much as an owner? Does he get paid the same and have the same benefits and say over how things are run? People like you want to pay someone 50k to build your dream for you with their hard work

[@davidsharkey3483]

Nothing wrong with maintaining a high standard of excellence. I like the idea of these training videos . Training was seriously lacking when I was learning the trade . Of course integrity is indispensable in any of life’s endeavors.

[@frankmontefusco6016]

Thanks Chris I’m glad you showed the mistakes.and that you didn’t yell at the guy that goes a long way towards loyalty to the company.

[@gnasty30]

How do you know he didn’t yell at the dude?

[@nastyhvacr]

@@gnasty30 he said he didn’t in the outro

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

@Andrew Galvan Im not the yelling type of boss, no sense in waisting that much energy , I will discuss this on my livestream on KZbin this evening 4/24/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out kzbin.infog7_emG3FE1E

[@skunkworks9-3]

If my boss was going to call me out on a subpar job I'd want it to be like this. My boss honestly probably doesn't even know how to do most of our jobs let alone properly. Shop life hits different. Thanks for the tips on keeping equipment in fighting shape.

[@graywolf2694]

I have the same exact problems at the shop, I'm the lead tech so all the mistakes come to me.

[@stevenpollock6342]

Job wasn't great kitchen extract everyone wants it back on ASAP hence mistakes happen

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I will discuss this on my livestream on KZbin this evening 4/24/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out kzbin.infog7_emG3FE1E

[@rf159a]

Seen that too many times where guys wrapped stranded wire around a screw. It has to be a screw that can handle stranded wire. You always wrap clockwise with solid wire on a screw. Had to work on too many things live and the wire has popped off the screw and grounded to the box. And yes there are times I had to work on circuits hot because they could not be turned off. Critical care circuits, Emergency circuits, and circuits that were uninterruptible power supply circuits.

[@Slugbunny]

I love the kind but firm management style. Need some reassurance when I goof up, and also the motivation to do better and stay up to standard. Very educational!

[@Kwaq84]

There are two types of employees doing such job: one that needs to learn better and one that needs another job. Good boss is the one that can tell the difference. We all make mistakes, we're only human. But, if one learns from his (or others mistakes), it's good. And it's a good practice to admit to those mistakes. Also, there's a reason we don't wrap stranded wire and use designed connectors. Not only it provides better connection, but look good. One of my "fears" is someone someday looking at my work and thinking to himself: "what a botched job...".

[@retrozmachine1189]

A lot can be learned about a person when things go wrong. Not so good that a person did that standard of work but how it's handled makes a difference. Chew the guy out, have him leave and at the next job do the same, or make it a learning opportunity. I still occasionally hear of instances where a sparky has screwed up royally and burnt the wiring, including the lead-in (think about that!) and then said 'It just burned up' and blamed it on an equipment fault. Take responsibility for your screw-ups and learn from them.

[@jasonjohnsonHVAC]

For smaller motors....i use one of those cat/dog lasers. I set it in the belt groove and line it up with the center of the other pulley. It works great. I'd also recommend using Polaris connectors instead of wire nuts. Yeah your tech messed up....but we've all messed up....so like you said....its a teachable moment. If you don't screw up.....do you even HVAC bro. Lol.

[@petersmart1999]

You stole my idea! I have used the little hobby lasers for years,I made some pully jigs from so old double and triple Bando belts. I set them in the grooves and line up the centers!

[@jasonjohnsonHVAC]

@Peter Smart lol.....great minds think alike....errr....guess i got lucky...cause you are smart...im just lucky. 😆 🤣 😂

[@petersmart1999]

@@jasonjohnsonHVAC no,your smart and a good mechanic! 99% of my succes is from common sense,I only finished 8th grade in school,then got my GED.I love to figure out better,easier ways to do things!

[@marksnyder2232]

For the motor to pulley alignment (side to side), you might want to try an old woodworker's tool / trick called "Winding Sticks". You would set one across each pulley and they serve to magnify the twist between the two pulleys, letting you see the misalignment more easily. I might also be tempted to take some older or broken belts and make adapters to hold a simple laser pointer in alignment in the groove, to help you check alignment.

[@robertgregory2618]

In my opinion as a master electrician and a short period of 7 years in refrigeration, I have always enjoyed your vids. You are a true craftsman and your high quality work is impressive to say the least.

[@jonhu4127]

Learning moment is right. Your ethics are likely a large part of why people follow you, even if we're not employees. You didn't blow up at your employee, you took it as a coaching moment. Shows how competent a supervisor you are.

[@quietone610]

@6:25 The Code Nitpick in me wants to remind you to use RING terminations for ground, NOT forks. Forks can slip when Motors vibrate. But either is a VAST improvement on loose stranded wire.

[@pigalex]

IMO, owning up to a mistake and telling the customer that your company did wrong does nothing but give your a better reputation. They'll see that you're willing to own up to everything and to make things right without additional unnecessary overages. Maybe they won't see it the same way I do, maybe they will.

[@HappilyHomicidalHooligan]

As an Electrician, while using a connector is Best Practice for terminating stranded wires, it is possible to safely wrap them around a screw terminal IF you do it correctly... Part of the trick is to tightly twist the strands together so they stay braided as the screw is tightened down, as long as all the strands are trapped under the screw flange, it's good...I've done that for years and never once had an Inspector scream at me for it nor have I ever had to go back and fix a fault caused by strand-and-screw connection failure...

[@petersmart1999]

Thanks Chris! The trick is to strip your stranded wire,then strip a small piece of the jacket and pull it to the end of the wire to hold the strands together,100% acceptable .Try it youll like it

[@tbelding]

If you do that, however, you really need to keep a set of really fine flat wire cutters to snip off the length sticking out of the screw. I just take a little longer to make sure it's twisted right, then tighten slowly. I don't do it enough that the extra 10 seconds eats up too much of my life.

[@DelticEngine]

Great video, Chris. Sounds like not only are you great with equipment, you're great with people too. You sound like a really good person to work for and learn from. I really look forward to your videos.

[@ianicus123]

Yeah that's unfortunate, the alignment would have been painfully obvious once the belt was on, the set screw, it was drilled into me early on to use a little lock tight blue (glue stick) on all set screws. The ground connection whole not ideal, is definitely the minor of the errors here.

[@rnreajr9184]

This is a great example of how taking pride in your work is a reward unto itself. This is one of the reasons I have subscribed to the channel. I don't do HVAC or refrigeration work, but used to be around it all the time. I have learned a lot from the channel about refrigeration, but I also have learned about how to diagnose problems. Thanks for showing the proper way to take care of mistakes - see what went wrong, fix them, then LEARN from them (or, in this case, teach the person how to do it correctly). Too often in society we have an emotional attachment to just pointing to mistakes done by others and casting judgement on them, instead of putting our hand on the shoulder of the one who did it wrong, and telling them, "Let's figure out how to fix this so that we can all go home happy." Doing this not only results in better work and reputation, but also builds better people, and this can effect other things in life. More and more we need better people. Thanks for the video and the message.

[@jin8684]

Its much easier to take pride in your work when you OWN the company and make the big bucks. Most techs get underpaid and dont care too much as long as its up and running.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

That will change from company to company my employees get paid very well based on their skills and drive, if they get better the make more money...

[@krazy1z]

​@@jin8684that is one of those cop out responses that I hear way too much these days. When people don't take pride in their work it has nothing to do with "pay" but EVERYTHING to do with integrity. I was taught that it doesn't matter if you shovel crap for a living, be the best crap shoveler you can be.

[@gabesreef]

Great coaching video

[@joshlevy9462]

Great video, I like how you do things and I would work for/with you because of you work ethic and moral compass.

[@Portuguese-linguica]

Thank you for being honest. Wish there where more people like you .

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

Wouldn't it be better to use ring terminal and toothed washer for that motor grounding connection?

[@TheDrew2022]

Agreed. Been my experience that forked terminals tend to spread as the screw is cinched down and can work loose over time if there's vibration. Rings don't have the issue but do take some extra time as you have to remove the screw. Granted I've seen ones where the screw was captive so couldn't be spun off so had to use forks, and forks are great in terminal blocks where they're contained from spreading, but for most terminal posts like that, rings for the win.

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I will discuss this on my livestream on KZbin this evening 4/24/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out kzbin.infog7_emG3FE1E

[@dewesfilho]

Amazing video. Thanks for sharing.

[@CommercialKitchenChronicles]

Great video Chris. Way to use a mistake to help teach an employee. So many people are quick to throw them under the bus or make them look bad, but no you in this instance. This is what puts you a step above and a good person. Well done sir.

[@stephenbullock-yn3vh]

Thanks for being honest and sharing this video. Excellent fix.

[@paulravitsky2898]

Not only not using stranded wire under a screw but the wire must be wound clockwise so the screw pulls the wire under the head as it tightens. Good calls.

[@terrypardy1678]

Love watching your videos I've learned a lot from them, keep up the awesome work.

[@michaelstaley9979]

Great video Chris. I have learned a lot from your videos. Did not know about using the connector for the stranded ground wire. Thanks for sharing.

[@asknightmareluna6445]

I enjoy watching these videos as it helps me to understand what could happen and why it is important to listen to the techs. I have seen several videos of yours where the customer is the cause of the issue even if it isn’t intentional.

[@matthiasplus6691]

Learning moment for me: Make sure that your level is working correctly. I was using a cheap one where the tube has become misaligned, only noticed it because the person standing behind me said he sees a slight angle.

[@nuc2726]

I wish you were my boss. I'm in residential for a small company. Half of my calls are tune ups and the other half are diagnostics. I do a near perfect job. ...up until I start getting rushed. When I rush, somehow, I always, *always* leave something behind. Or I forget to put the locking caps back on. Or I forget to put the wires on the dual capacitor and have to turn a breaker back on after it trips. Just *something.* I never have callbacks on the jobs that I take my time on, but the ones that I'm pressured to complete the diagnostic in under 45 minutes or the tune up in under 30 minutes bites. If I'm not getting coached on going too slow, I'm getting coached for sloppy work and call backs. It's a lose-lose situation.

[@patricktaccard9351]

Very authentic. This is what resonates. Good show

[@paulb4496]

We have an old timer that determines the size of that adjustable sheave and substitute s an actual fixed pulley...belts last longer and it's easier to align the belt.

[@stevencossaboon3237]

Good job and work ethic Chris.

[@marthasmadman]

Hey Chris I always enjoy your video’s always educational and focused on quality work

[@johnlarsen8308]

Glad you are so professional not many honest people left

[@tyhuffman5447]

Excellent vide! We learn more from our failures than from our successes!!

[@loudsubwoofer8492]

kudos on having integrity.👍👏

[@jrexwing2425]

You handled this beautifully! Awesome post!

[@JesseDoesHVAC]

Finding employees in general is difficult these days… trialled a kid today who said to me at the end of the day, he would not be able to work past 3pm…ever..😅

[@memyselfandifarmer]

Pulley's. I use a string to adjust. put it in the belt and flip flop one side to the other. no matter the distance 2 in to 6 ft.

[@gregdennis3523]

Slow and steady, and attention to detail! The only failure that is a failure is one that you failed to learn from.

[@jhill.7216]

I’m almost done with hvacr school and I definitely appreciate this vid

[@ToxicwasteProductions]

I'm 100% with you. That is a bad install. That install is really really rough. I would not allow that to pass inspection

[@anton4video]

Can recommend Easy-Laser XT190 easiest I've used so far to do belt alignment. Don't know if they are available for purchase in the USA. Nice that you show when it doesn't work then a good way.

[@garfieldbrewer5759]

Awesome content 👍🏿

[@DreStyle]

showing mistakes is the most boss type move you can make

[@leoschneider3570]

Not shaming anyone, but I’ve never figured why people land stranded wire directly on screws, I always find it to be too difficult to keep it contained so I find it easier to put a connector on it (it’s worth the extra 2 minutes)

[@grudd61]

U da guru at the top of the mountain!!! Thanx for sharing!

[@mathewrussell1533]

Get a clip on level. That way you can hang it off the belt itself so you can make sure the actual belt is true.

[@tinymanthebeast]

Really appreciate that you make these videos

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

Thanks for the Super thanks donation!!

[@hgbugalou]

You believe in doing things right. Its an admirable quality I believe in myself. Its also nice you can teach this to the newer guys. My dad taught this to me and at the time some of the stuff I thought was a waste of time, but now that I'm older I'm happy he taught me like this.

[@eddiereichel9354]

I know it doesn't apply here but most techs don't know that on multi belt setups it's not just same part number belts. High quality belts are measured after manufacturer and on multi belt setups you should use marched size belts

[@tweake7175]

good video and i hope your customers see this. how a trademan fixes his mistakes is critical. so many will just hide the mistake, blame whatever and charge it out. its also a big plus from training point of view. so many companies will not train people more than the bare minimum they need to know and hide the employees mistakes so they can't learn from them.

[@justme5384]

My boss is like you. When I made a mistake at a customer that was gonna take an hour to fix he said I have to make sure that the customer doesn't get billed for that hour (I was doing the whole days work there so could easily had just billed the whole day). He still pays me for the time which is nice.

[@CM-ou4zr]

He has to pay you for your time it's illegal not too, it's not nice. Simps man

[@dashcamandy2242]

13:45 - I had previously typed that same advice, and then decided against it because I changed my opinion on the matter. I am in full agreement with you. Crimp terminals cost a few cents per unit, and if I were in your shoes, I'd insist on their use as well. ESPECIALLY in a vibration-prone area, because it's easier to torque down on a crimp terminal than clamping down on copper strands that compress and squeeze out under the head of a screw. Good on you for showing the mistakes, and showing us that you corrected them. Kudos for eating the cost as an honest businessperson! (Customer retention is crucial!) You could have just as easily swept this under the rug, handled it solely in-house, and none of your 160k+ subscribers would be the wiser. Actually, it would have been easier to hide it, because you spent time and effort recording and editing a video. Mad respect! Having been a Supervisor and Assistant Manager before, I've found your method is the best - addressing the employee's errors can be either a negative experience or a positive experience, it all depends on the approach. If you make corrections confrontational, your employee is on the defense from the beginning, and less-receptive to that correction. If you approach them in a friendly, yet firm, manner, you're much more likely to get positive results - especially when done in a method that is also supportive and encouraging. You can actually INSPIRE employees to take pride in their work if you show them that you care about their quality of work and want to help them improve. Positive reinforcement can be quite a powerful motivator. I'm not going to say which method - coaching or yelling - is more apt to build a strong rapport, encourage high morale and mutual respect across the team, and lead to a higher overall success rate. It's rather self-explanatory, isn't it?

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I 100% agree, thanks for the nice words !!

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I will discuss this on my livestream on KZbin this evening 4/24/23 @ 5:PM (pacific) come on over and check it out kzbin.infog7_emG3FE1E

[@ahmedalyami1014]

Mr Chris Thanks 🦾🛠️🛠️

[@toyotanos]

Thanks for being an awesome and understanding boss. It's very much the same in the automotive industry, and it gives all of us a bad reputation when those 'quick buck' guys get into a managerial position. Keep up the good fight and keep teaching guys what it means to take pride in their work. It may not be glamorous, but it's totally necessary.

[@thesilentonevictor]

Good job Chris on this one

[@gregmercil3968]

I have a pretty good strong work ethic and take pride in and stand behind my work (though I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not perfect and have made mistakes as well), I can’t stand sloppy half assed shoddy work. One thing that helps keep me in line though, like when I’m exhausted And at the end of “one of those days” and wanna just say “who cares it’ll be fine,” is that I never know who’s gonna come in after me and see my work. Whether it’s the customer, another coworker, the boss, another company called in for a second opinion, etc… and also, I absolutely HATE callbacks on one of my jobs. Doesn’t happen often, but since I stand behind my work it causes me great distress and can ruin my whole day or even my whole week. But all I can do is learn from it. Like what can I do to fix the issue from happening again, how can I do it better next time, etc…

[@seantaray7180]

hey.. it happens.. but now it is a teaching moment. as for the fan pulley alignment... there is a real inexpensive tool that does a good job at aligning pulleys.. its about $20 its callled the Hog Slat Laser Fan Pulley Alignment Kit.... I use it on my poultry houses when I have to replace motors and pulleys and try to realign things. it is 2 things one is a laser and the other is a target and they are made so they fit in the groove of the pulleys... it's cheap, simple, small and it works.

[@cani6767]

Chris..... honest and perfectly said, and with that mindset as you know that is how you keep your customers, and happy customers at that. Great video as always.

[@votemikejones86]

Wish I could work for someone like you, great perspective as an employer!

[@jbgaud]

As long as it's a honnest mistake, lurn from it and move on. That's the sign of a good management.

[@scottallen5182]

Great job Chris! Nothing good ever comes from ill gotten gain!

[@stefanmondello8220]

I like to swap out the variable speed pulleys, for fixed speed pulleys.

[@northwoodsguy1538]

Good work.

[@peterhodgkins6985]

Perfectly handled IMO... I'm in two minds about whether to send a tech out for a callback or attend it in person. I can come up with pros/cons on either side. I guess it really depends on the relationships between the customer and the business, and the employees and the business - Probably not a single-solution issue. Great stuff as always!

[@sarah1390]

I like your Teaching style. It is sad today that not a lot of Businesses see things like you shown in this video. Quite a lot of the time it is a race to the bottom of price which breeds sloppiness and I'm glad that take your time and put in your effort even though you may pay a little more overall for the service but that comes with getting someone who is trustworthy and maintains good standards. Yes the employee made mistakes but if you talk to them and they improve, then all the better for you and your company. If the Employee doesn't improve over time then it is time to let them go but I'm glad you didn't throw them under the bus. Besides I always learn better from my mistakes as I don't want to make them again and I want to be always learning.

[@jaredj631]

Bearing replacement on these guys is a Nice profit. And it helps the customers equipment last longer. And while you’re in there you might as well power wash the wheel. All add-ons that increase profit for you and longevity of equipment for the customer

[@mikeahs06]

Honest guy which is nice. You have someone you trust to expand your company. But you're owning up to the mistake of someone else and fixing it at your cost. Finding honest owners is becoming harder to find these days but I support your channel bc you are.

[@dankerr2973]

Doing the right thing and reputation is everything. Awesome

[@torinbrown8196]

HVACR, brought to you by Chris. Honesty, Integrity, and Quality. ❤

[@TheTommyboy63]

I was an HVACR Service Tech for many years. When you say that you give your guys all the time they need to do the job, that's great! However, often times the schedule of any given day is in the hands of the dispatcher. As the Owner you theoretically would like to give the Techs all the tme they need, but the dispatcher will often pressure a Technician to get a job done, in order to get to the next one, without the owner knowing! 😊

[@HVACRVIDEOS]

I don’t have a dispatcher, I am the dispatcher

[@TheTommyboy63]

@@HVACRVIDEOS Hopefully you understand. Stay safe out there!

[@davidlongman2341]

There is an unfortunate cycle that happens over good employees. Most employees are just that, employees. They do their thing to the best they can but need monitoring and occasionally pulling up. On a rare occasion your come across a guy who is really good, turned on, attentive, highly able and a pleasure to have around, getting things done above and beyond. Exactly what you the customer wants and needs. The Good guy is who you call out whenever you need work done. Problem is everyone else also wants the Good guy because he is just what they want too. So, the Good guy becomes hard to get because he so much in demand. Also the Good guy has a bit more about him and wants to have his own business. The Good guy sets up his own business, everyone uses his new company so they get the Good guy doing their work. The business gets too busy for one guy to keep up so the good guy takes on an employee. You end up hoping that when someone turns up to do your work it is the Good guy because he does a better job that his employee. The business grows and the Good guy stops working so much and ends up managing his business and troubleshooting for the not so good employees. The loyal customers drift away when they no longer get the level of excellence and they begin to look around for a new really good guy who is working his way up. And the cycle continues.

[@LT_Commander_Data]

Great video’s!

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

Not only do connectors make a better connection but they protect the stands of the wire from breaking because the screw does not rub against them when you tighten the screw down.

[@fredflintstone8048]

You can use the level if the fan isn't level as a gauge for making the motor and fan shafts parallel. You put the level on the fan pulley and see where the bubble is. Then you put the level on the motor pully and align so the bubble position matches. I have a high precision level that measures to 0.0001 of an inch made for working in machine shops that would work better and more precise, but your eyeball will be very good with the average level.. Just match the bubble on both pulleys. Yes, the straight edge is the trick for pulley elevation alignment. Even if the pulleys are different thicknesses you can hold the straight edge on the higher (thicker) one and then use your eye or something else to measure the distance the straight edge is away from the lower pulley forward and aft on the pulley. If the distance is the same you're lined up. Just a little common mechanical sense.

[@anthonymarino3003]

Good one bud 🤙🏻

[@DanBurgaud]

1:47 and it was wrapped the wrong way/direction. it should be wrapped clockwise following the turn of the bolt/screw.

[@tbelding]

I put stranded wire on screws all the time. I'm very careful about how I do it. That said, there is NOTHING wrong with your insisting that you always use a crimp connector. It's your company, and you want a consistent appearance. You also CARRY the crimps that you use on a regular basis. My crimp connectors are all in my workshop - I don't carry them with me to various customer sites unless I know I'm going to do that. (I'm an IT consultant) So, thumbs up on the insistence on a consistent behaviour, especially when it was that messy.

[@bradgoodale3249]

thats why we love ya mate hope your employees appreicate you Chris you are a treasure to the industry.

[@hmrody]

On point, sir!

[@ravil4230]

Sometimes things happen and as a training purpose its good to have some issues from time to time and admit the fault to have some corrective actions.

[@marksmith-ew7ir]

Wrapping a wire can be for quickness for testing and return with a crimper tool or eyelet

[@AIM54A]

I remember my first boss telling me something along the lines of. If you dont have time to get it right the first time we certainly don't have time to come back and do it over a second time. Take the time the first time so there isn't a second time.

[@silasmarner7586]

I appreciate your professional approach towards your employees and the customer. However, I simply can not wrap my head around your employee's approach to that repair. I simply can not fathom it. Great video as always Chris!

[@saturninocodina5716]

I work on all types of exhaust fans and motors and alignment of pulleys and belts can be a pain

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

It may be beneficial for techs to take pictures of their work for your approval.

[@antoniofabro3759]

Nice appeciate the videos and thats a good boss keep it up

[@SCOTTYD2031]

Two thumbs up to you Chris.

[@alantorrance6153]

At 8:39 you have your straight edge resting on the pulleys. As an alternative, you could change the position of the straight edge so that it is sitting on the belt, behind the left pulley and in front of the right pulley (check status of level), then in front of left belt and behind right belt (and check status of level) (should be exactly the same as the first section of this test, but will show up any misalignment of the motor relative to the fan shaft). This way you can check the actual level of the belt, regardless of the thickness of the pulleys. Have you ever considered this????

[@Javelin3o4]

I wish our company gave us as much time as needed for a job to make sure its done the best. They are more interested in cramming as much on our plate as they can in a day.

[@michaelchaikoski9304]

I was waiting for voltage draw test. Considering the pulley was apart.

[@dandelamatta8705]

I read that forks can loosen/come out from under a bolt/screw, especially in a vibrating environment (like a motor mount), and was advised to use ring ends instead. Yes, you need to remove the screw to install it, but it will not come off from the vibrations.

[@Monkeh616]

Only if the screw comes loose - if it's properly tightened and compressing the fork it can't possibly walk out. If the screw is loose you can't rely on a ring to be a reliable ground either. E: Someone else made mention of forks spreading - yes, if the screw and/or surface aren't properly flat you can have a fork spread slowly, especially if a poor size match, which is bad. So yeah, rings.

[@saturninocodina5716]

Im a flo aire distributor captive aire basically in south texas we have altered to direct drive motors

[@TheTommyboy63]

Perhaps you could show us the actual Teaching Moment that you used for your guys?