We Need to Talk About Christian Content Farms

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[@77dreimaldie0]

The topic is interesting but demon horror is pretty scary. Is the lecture itself going to be frightening or will he play disturbing scenes from the films?

[@AnAvidAtheist]

14:25 DarkViperAU does an astounding dissertation on “reaction content” if you are interested in fighting against the propagation of *stolen* intellectual property and content, I highly recommend his “Why reaction content hurts everyone but the reactor.” Playlist. Love your work, Drew. Keep it up.

[@Tyler-k2o]

Eric the old ACA host! I haven't seen him in sooooooo long!

[@SumNutOnU2b]

A bit of a slight that you have Eric on but don't link to it even mention his channel, Skeptic Generation

[@sarahthesarah2850]

I'm trying to get cash loaded on my Google play, check doesn't come till the first. This looks like really good stuff.

[@hazevthewolf178]

Blessed are the poachers, for theirs is the Kingdom Of KZbin.

[@unknownx7252]

Amen 😂

[@ChuckyLad]

I think there may be a deeper meaning here that also includes the cookers of eggs, for they are the yolk

[@unknownx7252]

@@ChuckyLad 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sarahthesarah2850]

y'all are such great yolkers! I'm going to have to poach these eggs l cracked with wisdom for myself 😉

[@TheAfroAtheist]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@EvaChance-dq1is]

Your statement along the lines “people don’t want to hear new ideas, they want to hear the same arguments they’ve heard their whole life” hits home. Remind me of my Christian private school which showed the same videos to us from 6th-11th grade

[@ka8544]

Do people with that mentality get…. Bored? I would get so bored. I LOVE learning new things. I love discovering new ways to understand the world. I love evolving. I love being curious. I think it helps me love and respect myself and others better. This other mentality sounds so boring. For me, it’s way more fulfilling and interesting to approach the world and my own mind with curiosity. I wonder if this comes from my non religious upbringing… never connected those two before.

[@bunasdfghjkl]

@@ka8544i also went to a christian private school that functioned similarly, and honestly, i think the lack of curiosity is part of the same systems that keeps certain religious folk stagnant and complacent. its fear motivated, and functions to bridge the gap between cognitive dissonance. its fulfilling enough for them to confirm their opinions over and over and spread them to the youth, and only approach new ideas if theyre putting them down or slotting them neatly in their prior framework.

[@smrndalodz7182]

​@@ka8544 This. Reading or hearing the same point made over and over again, about the same things? It's like doing the same exact puzzles or mathematics problems over and over again. Sure, you might find different ways to solve the problems, but it would get repetitive. I'd wonder what I was missing out on by not looking into new things. For me, there are movies, books and such that I like and I do reread, but like everybody else I want something new, or at least new to me, most of the time I want entertainment.

[@sorbetheart]

​@@ka8544 Maybe it is because of your non religious background. Personally for me, as a Christian I used to be very closed minded and I'm not gonna lie had a lot of pride. I'm still working on that now, but I just mean that before I wouldn't want to hear any disagreements about Christianity. I'm really not completely sure what happened but now I'm willing to hear why people think or feel a certain way about it, and I want to learn why they feel that way. Or even why they feel the opposite way about anything else that I agree with. I just find it intriguing and I want to put myself in their shoes. I did go through multiple stages before I could get to this point though. Anger, confusion, learning, then understanding. I am still Christian btw, but I definitely think one of my influences was/is Cliffe Knechtle. Listening to how he talks and his reasoning. I think that made me really realise that it's okay to ask questions regarding what I believe and want to know more. I mean I did know that I could do it, but it used to feel wrong to do, as if I was just supposed to follow Christianity like it's a religion, mindlessly. Christianity is about your relationship with God. A mum who loves her child shouldn't get angry at her child questioning her because it wants to know more about or understand something. Patience is a virtue, and I think when you truly love someone, you can be patient with them. I think to God that we're like children, so he understands why we're so curious and want to understand. He wants us to understand. When curious people have their questions unanswered it's like an itch that never goes away... well to me it's a little like that.

[@brandy31d]

Well said it was like my Catholic school entire time kindergarten to grade 8 end of this experience is exact

[@Me-dp9jz]

As a Christian myself, I particularly am angered by those videos that start with “don’t scroll if you love Jesus” videos.

[@Henri-y8t]

LOL, you right. Bang on.love and care about you 😎 Philippe

[@BoroPhil7]

Yeah I've unfortunately fell into the realm of those videos popping up all the time

[@FunnyFany]

Those are the worst exploitation of christian OCD. Even before I stopped believing I thought it was scummy to emotionally manipulate people into giving you engagement. Extremely unchristian behaviour.

[@ethank4820]

I’m no longer Christian, I’m an atheist, but when I used to be a devout Catholic, i honestly think creators doing this could be considered a sin. There are using the name of God in vain to attract an audience and make money for selfish reasons, not using his name for the greater glory of God, which I would’ve believed to be the only true use of his name.

[@BoroPhil7]

@@ethank4820 blasphemous or not, God would not want such manipulative behaviour.

[@SkepticGeneration]

As always, making vids with you is a blast man! Thanks for asking me to hop on this one.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

ILYSM 🥹

[@SkepticGeneration]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

My third favorite Talk Heathen host!

[@CarlosRamirez-wb7zu]

I hate the "Us vs them" mentality. Factually, selfish people ruin the teachings of God, but over 95% of all humans act like there is a higher power .

[@Nai61a]

Skeptic etc: It is extraodinary to come across you again! I had assumed you had abandoned Yt altogether. Why are you and your fellow host - Jamie? - no longer on any of the call-in shows? Have I missed a drama?

[@hellolol7288]

It's hard to be understanding when your salary depends on... not understanding.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Or in this case just broadcasting people who don’t understand.

[@thomeilearn]

And YT covers these kind of ppl. I watched the progress of dislike cleaning in some of the most viewed videos on The Daily dose of B's. On the most viewed video over there, the dislike went down from Millions to 20+ Thousands overnight. All of that to keep the positive effect to lure ppl in those channels. We're desperate for a new YT competitor at this point. The monopoly and manipulation needs to stop.

[@MicheleGardini]

Upton Sinclair...

[@AngryMax]

@@thomeilearn youtube doesn't show dislikes anymore. you're probably using the browser extension that adds dislikes back in-- but it doesn't get the numbers from youtube, nor does youtube have control over those numbers. it's its own thing.

[@thomeilearn]

@@AngryMax Idk what ur talkin about. The addon only exposes data about dislike on YT. There was a time when the addon got an issue and didnt show any data for days. Then it got up again and ppl noticed some sh*. A bunch of KZbinrs covered the topic. I believe its around the time of Mr.B drama.

[@Tomahawk_choppa]

These Christians took the “Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything” VeggieTales special TOO FAR

[@SirBolsón]

Free Palestine! 🇵🇸

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Deceased.

[@MossyMozart]

@@SirBolsón - Dollars to donuts that the Moldy Mango will do all he can to gift Palestinian lands to his nasty pal, Netanyahu/

[@MrsProfessionalDumbass]

That was my childhood ❤

[@saouer]

LMAOO

[@jmasterflame5349]

I ascribe to the Christian faith, but I really appreciate your content and videos. I value truth and intellectual and moral virtue, something you often (rightly) point out as lacking in many Christian groups and individuals. I, too, share this frustration and bafflement with how uncritically these people think given the tradition of magnificent thinkers in the Christian faith. Thank you for always producing quality, original, and knowledgeable content. These dialogues are essential to growth towards truth.

[@ChristianL3399]

I'm in the exact same place! I understand that the Bible says in the Bible that the Bible will be used badly by people... It's in the book itself! Thank you GMS for pointing out all of the ego stroking that goes on in the Christianity space...

[@alldogsnin33leven]

There is no rich tradition of thinking in the Christin faith when it comes to morality / religion. Religious people have happened to be incredible scholars and scientists, but their worldview doesn’t encourage critical thinking whatsoever. So it’s more of a “despite” than a “because”

[@philipjohnston5349]

@@alldogsnin33levenI am an agnostic but maybe you should check out Augustine and Dostoyevsky my good friend :)

[@littlebitofhope1489]

How in the world do you value truth when there is so little of it in the Christian Faith or religion as a whole? You say "lacking in many Christian groups and individuals" so you clearly don't think your group or you are the same and YOUR version has truth. I seriously want to know and don't mean this as a put down. I just don't see how truth is possible without evidence.

[@peterquinn9115]

​@alldogsnin33leven respectfully I have to disagree with you there, if you do the resurch you'll find that there is a direct link between Christian theology and an increase in knowledge and it has inspired many great thinkers like Newton, Copernicus, Kepler, Pascal and many more You can see this even clearer when you look at verses in the bible like Proverbs 1:5 - “Let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance.” Proverbs 9:9 - “Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.” And additionally jesus condemned blind faith like seen in Romans 10:17: “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”

[@neurodeee]

It's worth pointing out the grifter rabbithole exists in pretty much every realm of online content. It sure is particularly vile when about religion, but the exact same dynamics of clickbait, theft and scams exist on the topics of sports, invesment, self-improvement, science, etc.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Facts

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

Religious ones add the option for claims like "Jesus wants you to watch this video to the end", which may convince some people to watch things they otherwise wouldn't. So it does seem a step worse in that context, to me.

[@princegobi5992]

Yeah but this video is about Christian grifters, so why “both sides” this?

[@Jane_8319]

I’m really glad you brought up how this happened to the new atheist movement. The whole time I was thinking “this is what happened to us, I’ve seen that before”

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Yep. It’s no wonder that the atheist content creators who are rising through the ranks even now are doing so off of affiliation with right wing grifters like Jordan Peterson and Chris Williamson who pump out endless garbage content. Thats where the money and attention really is.

[@jonobnz7597]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Dude you are jealous. You'd love to have JPs sized audience for this anti-Christianity grifter channel of yours. Free speech means people are going to create content that you don't like. Get over it cry baby.

[@sydmm-ui8hm]

​@@jonobnz7597it's totally fine to disagree with a creator's take or how they said something. Different people have different opinions and beliefs and speak from different experiences, but there's no need to be rude about it or use name calling to make your point. Doing so just makes people less likely to take you seriously and less likely to want to discuss with you.

[@jackiebuttnor8410]

​@@jonobnz7597Maybe it is time to take your own advice and get over the fact that someone doesn't agree with you. 😂

[@smrndalodz7182]

@@jonobnz7597 Last I checked free speech means the right to criticize other people's content as well, even if they happen to be more popular. I also can't think of any reason to assume that popularity implies quality. A bunch of popular figures and even so called 'public intellectuals' are pretty much professional BS artists.

[@TastyChocolatCake2011]

Me when a bigger creator puts his face over my video and gets 10 times more views :

[@dootslayer1411]

​@@jttj742Yeah. My favorite part is when they say "Wow." It just adds so much to the video

[@Maurus200]

​@@dootslayer1411to be fair those responses are likely just bots.

[@BlackCover95]

Curios Emperor gets EPICALLY OWNED!!!!!1!

[@cpu_1292]

even the Soviet union is against unethical reaction content

[@pebsiburbger]

You mean our video

[@GRAHFXENO]

Not to mention the fact that all of these videos' comment sections consist of like 85% people just saying "Amen" and like 15% serious and disturbing threats against Atheists, Jews and Muslims. Daily Dose of Wisdom has on SEVERAL occassions in his comment sections directly threatened Atheists. It's gross

[@littlebitofhope1489]

WHAT?!?!?!!? But Jeusus the religion of peace and love!! How can you say that? I mean just because Jesus never came out against slavery and said " I come not to bring peace but the sword" and that if you don't believe in Jesus you burn in a lake of fire forever, but he LOVES you!!! He is all about peace and love! Oh wait.

[@danilooliveira6580]

nah a lot of the comments are people criticizing the video, they are the ones that drive engagement.

[@rennidenni7792]

Time to treat their comment sections as a safari, I guess. This counts as anthropology, right?

[@axelnova123]

You should check out the Muslim equivalent to these kinds of channels: Smile to jannah, Mohammed Hijab, Ali Dawah, Sheik Assim Al Hakeem, etc. These guys are millions of orders of magnitude worse than any of the christian channels cited in this video, they routinely advocate for the death of homosexuals, apostates and the forceful implementation of sharia in western countries via demographic shift, and they have massive audiences that happily gobble up all that nonsense without thinking twice about it. Threatening atheists isn't exclusive to Christianity, if anything, it's way worse in the Muslim content creation sphere.

[@johnrockyryan]

Right and the one person in that comment section who talks a bit of sense his opinion gets immediately shut down, it's like a fucking cult 😂

[@whysoserious8666]

Most Christian’s view of hell comes from Dante’s Inferno and that was written in the 14th century.

[@pjetercatsplat]

Exactly, which is not what the bible teaches

[@njhoepner]

@@pjetercatsplat The bible is kinda vague when it comes to hell (once the idea finally creeps into the religion as it evolved). Believers' imaginations fill in the picture - and change the picture from time to time in order to remain acceptable ( = survive) as the surrounding society changes. Society provides the selection pressure that causes the religion to evolve.

[@andrewharrison8436]

Still a good read - but I file it under fiction rather than travel.

[@quietyard8014]

I knew it would scare the crap out of me, so I never read it. The Larry Niven version was enough!

[@pjetercatsplat]

@ Exactly

[@Normallydifferent]

I hate that people were telling me that all I had to do was create more reaction videos about pastors to get monetized. I was like NO THANKS. I am an original content creator and prefer to grow the organic way. Im too creative to only reuse content & definitely don't want a bunch of staunch Christians preaching at me because youtube thinks they're my audience. Great vid!

[@zerotwo7319]

make a bot on a side channel that just say: "that's crazy" every 10 seconds.

[@ziploc2000]

I gave you a shout out today!

[@sarahthesarah2850]

Checked out your channel, look forward to seeing your videos. Just subscribed. I tend to be low on energy so my participation can vary. This is why I appreciate the creators that say, "just leave an emoji". It takes the pressure off to comment in an intelligent way when I'm dealing with symptoms. Sometimes it's way easier to listen and absorb than comment 😆.

[@terrorkf]

Good on you for not giving in to money

[@Normallydifferent]

@@ziploc2000oh wow thank u!! I really appreciate it!

[@Rambolink94]

22:45 This exact thing happened to me. I became skeptical of what I was being taught at church, stopped believing, found the new Atheist content, became enamored, and for a time, fell into the Ben Shapiro and Jourdan Peterson, (even Prager....) bandwagon. Luckily I fell back out, but I've never understood how this rollercoaster of beliefs was directed, but you pointed it out perfectly. I hope to keep my head and stay properly skeptical and empathetic.

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Thank you for being compassionate and skeptical, both things are needed so much more now than ever

[@watcher99999]

This kind of content farming is the backbone of about half of all KZbin. It has become so incestuous that the "joke" at the beginning of the video could realistically be encountered in just about any corner of YT, from makeup, to food, to politics/religion.

[@joelmcleay]

Also on other video platforms like Facebook/Reels and TikTok. Drives me up the wall

[@martin2289]

So-called reaction videos are just insufferable for the most part. Totally don't get why people watch them.

[@gptgod]

Yea this is a YT problem. EVERYONE in EVERY niche and genre is doing this. It literally cant be helped, YT is unbelievably saturated and being ‘original’ is unrealistic because if you want to make money or grow an audience youve gotta post all the time so originality works fiercely against you. Even this video, ironically, is just another ‘reaction to/ bait response’ video. Hell, it worked, i watched a couple minutes and typed this comment… We’re living in the dumbest of all dystopias.

[@mind_onion]

Honestly, I agree. It's weird to see this coming out of GM skeptic and Eric Murphy, knowing their own content histories. Also, this approaches the content on youtube with a certain point of view, which is encouraged or discouraged by various parts of the youtube eco-system. A creator historically isn't simply an artist who makes a product to try to market to consumers. They are encouraged by youtube's practices, layout, etc. to foster a community among their viewers. In that sense, things like the youtube comments below videos can be places where certain people hang out, and want to interact parasocially with a creator and interact with others who frequent the videos, see what the creator's opinion of a piece of media is, etc. I saw another creator here on youtube who seemed to have the view that comments existed to solely give feedback on their video, and wondered how to deal with "off-topic comments". It's bizarre, because it's obvious as a consumer youtube encourages this type of community creation, but the creators themselves sometimes seem almost unaware or hostile to the concept.

[@cameron_mitchell1970]

I love your videos so much. Thank you for making them. Every single one helps me to question my beliefs further. 🤘🏻

[@saulitix]

4:00 only appropriate way to introduce an editor

[@ВячеславБогатиков-х9ф]

Would be even better without of a russian rap😑

[@thatguy9211-q8o]

Religions are an Industry and should be taxed as such.

[@DiegoAlonso-c7d]

And priests are citizens, just like everybody else

[@benbullard2298]

Religion IS big business.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

Agreed, but it ain't gonna happen.

[@zerotwo7319]

Reverse card: no industry should be taxed.

[@paulthompson9668]

@@benbullard2298 I wonder if exempting religious organizations from tax is a violation of the 1st amendment.

[@GrahamCommander]

I clicked on your video about Talk About Christian Content Farms out of curiosity, Sadly you are right! I'm guilty of watching many of the channels. Your video made me realise just how much time I have wasted watching rehashed pirated videos

[@n0etic_f0x]

_“He is as undeniable as my wife”_ Your wife can eat my chowder and tell me what she thinks. Have god do that.

[@solacedagony1234]

But my relationship with a person that no one can see or hear or touch is analogous to my wife who you can see in the other room.

[@smrndalodz7182]

@@solacedagony1234 I never get the 'relationship with god' thing. There are people who have parasocial relationships with celebrities. They don't really have what we'd call a relationship, but at least the celebrities undeniably exist. With god, it's like a relationship with a poorly defined fictional character who isn't even depicted consistently in fiction.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@smrndalodz7182Actually yeah. I have wholly fictional characters who many friends have more of a relationship with. Everyone is exited when someone beds Commander Coriander my seven foot tall panther demon. It an absurd and goofy idea but people love it and want to know about it. Nobody actually knows Commander (Yes that’s his name) but they know what he does and why he would. He is a pirate who loves to throw parties and where he frees slaves and hits on everyone.

[@smrndalodz7182]

@@n0etic_f0x Well, wish fulfillment is a perfectly valid purpose of fiction, and it's an achievement to get people that engaged. Plus, people generally understand they are reading fiction. All said, does sound like a real interesting character, and it probably works better with there being less detail.

[@weatherman1504]

@@n0etic_f0x Ngl, a "seven foot tall panther demon" is the best thing I've heard of all day.

[@rumidude]

KZbin has become a cesspool of grifting and just plain old crap. I long for the amateur videos of guys just uploading things they are passionate about rather than trying to make a living.

[@CaidhMor]

I was pleased and surprised to see Eric in the video! Easily one of my top 3 call-in show hosts.

[@SkepticGeneration]

yay!

[@thetheatreguy9853]

That intro is golden, legit too many videos just posting content that isn't theirs and then claiming fair use because I guess staring blankly and saying "so good" is adding its own kind of substance

[@NolsHub]

I saw a short pop up from DDoWisdom and it was along the lines "atheist gets DEMOLISHED by facts about morality etc" and essentially the topic was discussing the nuances between objectivity and subjectivity, Atheist asks a question because the question from the Christian has two different answers and the atheist wanted to clarify which was yes and which was no, and the Christian rolls their eyes - that is where the clip ends. Because a question went over a person's head and they rolled their eyes that was conclusive that the Atheist got "demolished" in the debate, and there was no need to include the rest of the segment where the Atheist continues to explain objectivity and subjectivity. I can see why Christian content farms are popular.

[@smrndalodz7182]

I hate the whole 'X DEMOLISHED' type videos. Generally these are more when one person talks over the other one and then declares themselves the winner. It's less about having better arguments than it is about not letting the other person talk. Plus, it shows a lack of real interest in engaging with better arguments. It's knocking down armies of strawmen.

[@benlafond753]

Also this clip in particular was a debate Alex Oconnor did with Frank Turek... when Alex was just 18 years old. Bragging about having good arguments against people who are barely out of high school is just laughable

[@NolsHub]

@@benlafond753 It's honestly such a silly debate, Christians themselves debunk the idea that morality is objective by believing that slavery is immoral, when the Bible never says that slavery is immoral and outright allows slavery so long as slaves are treated 'humanely'. The initial shift in beliefs and attempt to end slavery even came from interpretation of the Bible, not direct orders.

[@smrndalodz7182]

​@@benlafond753 On arguing and high school. Many young people are in a position where they don't really know what they don't know yet. They have inflated views of their level of expertise, so they feel inclined to 'debate' on just about any topic. And since nobody at that age is really an expert on anything, they feel like those debates are meaningful. The debates are usually won entirely by 'who remains the most confident' which is rarely a good measure of who knows more.

[@benlafond753]

@@smrndalodz7182 I agree entirely. Their egos are inflated and they may feel that they are up for something they are not. Which is why it is ridiculous to say that when an experienced apologist faces off against a kid and has better points than the kid that they have somehow "demolished atheism". It's not a fair fight

[@Martijnvw83]

So happy to see you working together with Eric! One of my favorite hosts to watch on the ACA back in the day.

[@DoctorBoson]

Just to shout out, jacksfilms has an entire crusade against this brand of content theft. Doesn't dip into the apologist sphere, but it's a great spotlight channel for the cause.

[@terrablaze3387]

And don’t forget to mention the biggest hater of this type of content. Darkviperau.

[@ash1eyrose]

@@terrablaze3387 14 pages!!

[@a_plastic_bag]

That’s a bingo!

[@DemstarAus]

It applies to all types of content theft and farming.

[@elkhuntr2816]

I'm a Christian, and I agree. The Christian channels that copy content and then interject are annoying. I want to hear what the original speakers are saying and always end up fast forwarding past the copycat host. It is embarrasing, I'll agree. One of the most annoying is "daily dose of wisdom".

[@treasurewuji8740]

Most of them don’t even link the original.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@elkhuntr2816]

@WhatDoWeDeserve "your own decision on what to believe with a lot of information" Just go to the source. Follow the evidence. Figure out what is actually true.

[@elkhuntr2816]

@@treasurewuji8740 To be fair, just as many atheist channels do the same thing such as pangburn, etc...

[@danielkirienko1701]

Then stop watching the people doing this, man! Go find the original video!

[@elkhuntr2816]

@WhatDoWeDeserve "especially on things like religion where you are indoctrinated at a young age, it is good to explore other viewpoints" Its good to explore the evidence and follow that where it leads for any form of knowledge. "Religion" is no different. Its not being dogmatic if you have evidence to back it up. There is good evidence that the God of the bible exists, which by definition means all other religions are false. For one, look at the historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, let alone scientific arguments.

[@SharienGaming]

praise be to eric the editor without whose work we wouldnt get these videos

[@AvidCat5000]

C: "If 1=3, wouldn't it be great?" A: "What?" C: "If 1=3, wouldn't that be good news?" A: "If true? ...sure, I guess. But..." C: "See! You've proven it to yourself!" A: "That's not an answer... or proof." C: "But that's what the Bible says." A: "It's thousands of years old." C: "But math stays the same. 1=3." A: "What? Is this about... the Trinity?" C: "Everything is about them." A: "So now pronouns matter to you?" C: "Next person with a question please." A: "I'm the only other one here." C: "Then I win." A: "Win what?" C: "Rabbit season." A: "Duck season." C: "I've got god on my side." A: "That doesn't make this a trio." C: "What?" A: "Go away." C: "Why?" A: "This bit fell off a few lines ago." C: "But you admitted it would be great." A: "I just wanted to see you chase dragons." C, exiting: "...dragons aren't real." A, returns to desk: "Thank god that's over." C, from hall: "Heard that." A: "Shut up, Carl."

[@manwerama]

Monty Python's Flying Circus welcomes the audience yet again!👆

[@n0etic_f0x]

Frank: What if being a Christian gave you infinite food? Lady: It doesn’t. F: If it does would it be good. L: how would it? F: Yeah but if it did! L:It doesn’t! F: If it does though! L: Frank… come on. F: What if it does! L: That would be great. F: You accept Jesus! L: No. F: We agree! L: No. F: He is as real as your husband. L: I have a wife F: She is a Christian! L: She is a satanist. F: Two lives for Jesus!

[@biggmonke8057]

I have to see a skit of this

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Peak comment.

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

But, what IF dragons were real! Wouldn't that be great news?!

[@hellolol7288]

"Not Safe for KZbin" "Seriously Not Safe for KZbin" 💀💀

[@clownbaby420]

1:55 turns out prayer is the powerhouse of the cell

[@littlebitofhope1489]

How do they pray without hands? 🙏

[@njhoepner]

And mitochondria is your direct channel to god!

[@danielcollins7960]

3:02 And Jesus sayeth to the crowd of skeptics “do you believeth I can jump over that rock?” They responded “I guess” and Jesus sayeth unto them “I got you! You believe in me!”

[@BoldFollower]

I am a Christian Content Creator and I don't feel attacked, I agree. I did a few videos like this because everyone said it was the new trend, but what they don't tell you is, often KZbin wouldn't monetize them-- due to feeling like a goober floating head in the corner, it felt unoriginal , not monetizing, and other reasons, I stopped making them. IF I comment on someone else's content, I try to make it a VERY small portion of my video now, and try to actually add value for much longer than the original clip was. I have no idea how these guys get monetized for taking someone else's 10 minute clip, and simply adding 2 minutes just restating what we already watched. Part of Christianity is sharing the good news, so if the goal is to get more eyes on something, then they achieved it, even at the expense of not getting monetization or looking like a goober in the corner. You, likely, would not have seen that Lennox clip had it not been reposted by the influencer. It put life back into a clip that otherwise would have stayed buried. I have no idea the motive behind these guys, and I don't do it anymore, but as someone in a similar boat, I partially understand it. ALSO, as someone who has done deliverance and seen exorcisms in real life, no respected minister really cares for those three horror films. Nefarious is probably the closest to what it actually looks like. AND, all the influencers I know are not classified as nonprofits. Of course, we're all small players, but just fyi P.S. yes, it is not a Christian problem, it's all over the place. But we should be holding a higher standard

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Do we have any way whatsoever to investigate this thing you call God?

[@BoldFollower]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 all the time! I do livestreams answering objections and questions, feel free to join us!

[@Lexinomicron]

Supporting exorcists should get you fucking jailed

[@wilkimist]

I once attended a church where the pastor was just giving sermons that he got from Rick Warren. I talked to him about it and ended up leaving the church cause of i stayed he was "going to teach me humility."

[@Wrestleroftheyear]

lol you popped his bubble

[@wilkimist]

@Wrestleroftheyear unfortunately he continued on then turned the church over to his son, then both him and his son plead guilty to sexual abuse.

[@Wrestleroftheyear]

@@wilkimist sounds about right

[@KevinKleint]

I used to work for a popular ministry/business (The Elijah List, for those interested) back in the day ... and the main guy made millions off of this tactic. He would take "prophetic words" from popular "prophets", write a little 1 paragraph intro and insert their content. It turned into a "God's man of power for the hour" club where everyone was making money off of each other, copying and re-copying content. He's still doing the same thing now ... only now he's schmoozed his way into the christian networks. It's really lame that people people buy into their scam ... I dig your stuff, GMS ... keep it up!

[@danilooliveira6580]

the worst part is that a lot of these videos if you go to the comments a lot of the engagement is people debunking the arguments or complaining about how bad the video is... THAT IS STILL ENGAGEMENT. so if you see something you disagree with, the best thing you can do is not give it engagement, I hate it too to let them say whatever they want unopposed, but that is the algorithm we were set up with when they removed dislikes. give engagement to response videos instead, like our man Drew here. they have a much better reach than your comment.

[@roscowbrown3937]

I don’t know if that’s necessarily true, because channels mostly reach their target audience, the vast majority of comments here are from atheists who already agreed with the sentiment of the video before clicking on it. These Christian channels will make money anyways and their comment sections are where you’ll find the believers so some attempt needs to be made to change their minds

[@ravwoofles3858]

​@@roscowbrown3937 I'd say it's more of a double edged sword. On one hand the clear bottom feeder manages to rake in some sort of profit from engagement, on the other it can boost the discourse to more people, making more room for conversations to be had. Really the key is to go in with the right mentality, emotional stability, and to pick your battles wisely.

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

To a point, but I've commented to criticise a video which I thought was this sort (you can de-recommend videos, which I was suggesting others do), and had the creator actually respond, taking the critiques seriously. No idea if they changed anything afterwards, but still. So if there aren't any comments yet, it's possible they don't realise the problem.

[@hellolol7288]

I notice the red bars below the videos. Good job on watching these videos to gain an informed perspective!

[@SkepticGeneration]

you gotta check out the longer convo we had on them!

[@m2sDayZ]

As a Christian, I appreciate this insightful perspective.

[@tonyk4615]

As a Christian, I’ve never been asked by scientists to choose between science and religion. I have however, been pressured by other Christians to disavow science because it’s inconsistent with religion.

[@andrewtarantoful]

"Do you have any original Christian content?" "I have a concept of Christian content."

[@CapturingChristianity]

Thanks for making this.

[@ayobithedark2772]

👍

[@Pomni740]

What are you talking about they are literally making fun of people like you.

[@ayobithedark2772]

@@Pomni740 bruh, Cam has been pumping out original content as of late. Capturing Christianity is the opposite of what these guys are criticizing, and I don't even like him that much

[@chris_troiano]

@@Pomni740Drew credits CC specifically for *not* doing this.

[@karolinaska6836]

For the longest time i couldn't make sense of the churches i attended being so wasteful and careless about environmental stewardship. Now i see that i was reacting to the incongruancy of religion claiming to be THE source of morality and ethics, and when i kept seeing they didn't live up to my assumptions and their claims, i became more open to the wisdom of a secular worldview.

[@pjetercatsplat]

I wouldnt say that is a great way to base switching to a secular worldview... I have nothing against you or secularism, but if youre going based off of how people in a religion act, Normally thats not a great basis because I can tell you that those people you described do not account for an accurate representation of Jesus or the bible

[@smrndalodz7182]

@@pjetercatsplat Though here is kind of a problem. It's the idea that 'the system doesn't fail people just fail the system.' If somehow every single time someone tries the system they do it 'wrong' and it fails, then maybe we shouldn't buy it because it's either untested or unrealistic? This also ends up feeding into the whole 'no true Scotsman' problem. Like sure, each of a bunch of people from a religion were awful, but they weren't doing it right? And then if someone else has a fall from grace, they were never a 'true Christian' anyway.

[@smrndalodz7182]

I think their problem with the environment is that there's a lot of science denialism, and a lot of Christian beliefs require science denialism, especially from some more fundamentalist sects. There's also political influence as well.

[@enjoyyourbunny]

@@pjetercatsplat Who gets to say which representation of Jesus or the bible is correct?

[@pjetercatsplat]

@enjoyyourbunny Whatever lines up with reality closest, just like how you interpret anything

[@A_Good_Name550]

13:07 "it is as undeniable as my relationship with my wife in the other room" he just roasted himself

[@zar3434]

So, he doesn't know his wife's favourite colour either.

[@Bo_M]

4:03 lol, that part. Lovely work with the editing. 😂

[@Lucidbeings]

"Isn't that the greatest news in history?" "not for those going to hell" this hits different, bless up my gamers.

[@Savagemode473]

Who’s this new Drew. Love the energy btw lol.

[@event-keystrim213]

1:50 that's a mitochondria highlighted on the thumbnail, I bet whomstever put this thumbnail just took some random scientific looking pic and said "good enough"

[@michaelbell3181]

If "things science can't explain=god" that equals "god of the gaps"!

[@Lemoncakelover678]

And never do they show actual evidence god even exist

[@ravwoofles3858]

​@@Lemoncakelover678 Well you see if things exist they came from other things, and so that thing exists and if you call that thing God then God exists, and your foundation for your world view is founded on things that exist then it's founded on God, because the things that exist came from the primordial existence, which would only be called God, so God exists because the things you make your foundation exist, and existence begets existence by definition. So since things exist then CLEARLY there was a prime existor, that explains why things exist together so seamlessly, since otherwise they wouldn't exist, much less so perfectly. - Almost every argument for God ever had

[@pjetercatsplat]

That is ONLY the kalam cosmological argument.

[@michaelbell3181]

@pjetercatsplat name a god premise that proves a god exists.

[@pjetercatsplat]

@ There isnt "proof" of anything

[@Wildxgiyu]

As a Christian, thank you so much for making this.

[@Wildxgiyu]

@YuelSea-sw2rp Most of the Christian probably don't like this video. That's why yk.. and I think it's pretty clear why I said that.

[@Wildxgiyu]

@@YuelSea-sw2rp did I have a bad attitude? I didn't intend to have a bad attitude. Sorry anyway I guess. And I do think Christians know this video exists because I see plenty of Christians on this comment section.

[@BoroPhil7]

@@Wildxgiyu I feel like most Christians do appreciate this video, but either way, your comment is still a part in validating this video for many people.

[@joelmcleay]

I'm a Christian and I agree with what I discern to be the spirit of your message: not an attack on Christianity itself but what you perceive to be immoral behavior among some very popular proponents of the faith. I agree with this perception. I'm responsible for organizing the preaching roster at the church I am a member of. I wouldn't ask someone to preach again if their sermons were mostly just someone else's work (and yes, we do deal with that occasionally). I'm very strong on "citing sources". Part of that is contextual: my church is "Open Brethren" in tradition, and has less in the way of "theological controls" - my church can have an Arminian and a Calvinist sitting next to each other, so when one of those people stands up to preach, it's best for everyone if everyone knows where they draw their ideas from when formulating their message. There's also a problem of misinformation - we had a gentleman recently preach and say that when Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, he exiled the Jews and renamed the province Syria Palaestina, problem is that happened 60 odd years later under Hadrian. There's issues with people using graphics such as tables or flowcharts ripped straight off Google (and even Instagram in one case). I've even visibly cringed when speakers have said "having read the passage in several translations I then go to Google and KZbin to see what other Christians say" - very low academic bar, when access to decent scholarly theological resources is available. Some could argue that the sources are by nature cited in these videos, however when I have looked at this kind of content I don't see links to the original source, and frankly, with the way AI is now, the whole lot could be deepfaked. Though that's unlikely, proper citing actually involves exposing the source content entirely so others can locate it and get a proper understanding of the context of the source.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I appreciate your charitable take here. Christian communities can have a lot of internal trust, and that can be powerful and beautiful, especially when someone is in a time of great need and can depend on others to care for them. Unfortunately, that trust can have downsides - it can make the community vulnerable to freeloaders. One can claim affiliation with the group and reap the benefits of the trust that earns while not giving back to, or even directly harming the community. I’m glad there are folks like yourself who work to maintain a healthy balance of trust and critical thought. I wish you and yours the best!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

You should ask to cite the sources of the gospels

[@joelmcleay]

@crazyprayingmantis5596 much of it is cited from the Old Testament. The Bible is the most peer-reviewed and academically studied piece of literature on the planet, but okay. We're having a charitable interaction here, if you don't want to be charitable, don't bother partaking.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@joelmcleay I'm asking who wrote Matthew Mark Luke and John?

[@joelmcleay]

@crazyprayingmantis5596 the real question (according to academia) isn't even who wrote the Gospels, but how reliably they relate eyewitness accounts and oral traditions. I personally affirm their authorship under the names they carry (and have always carried, we don't have any manuscript witnesses without those names as headers) and the ancient witness of the church (the authorship claim is unanimously affirmed).

[@claratalbot7613]

While I am a follower of Norse Pagan faith, I do love your videos because of the way you address not only the issues with blindly following Christianity but religion in general as we should be using critical thinking to discuss & determine for ourselves what we believe in both when it comes to religious & none religious beliefs

[@DemstarAus]

You don't determine what you believe though. Examination of evidence and applying critical thinking may lead to changing your beliefs, or abandoning them. But belief is not a choice. You can choose whether or not to examine, but the results of that examination or critique is not actually up to you.

[@milkenobi]

Omg it was great to see Eric from Skeptic Generation. Love you!!!

[@MrEricWT]

Wait.. are you a metalhead??? I saw Venom and Death in the background!

[@wolfcub09]

From what I've seen drew doesn't dislike metal, but his wife is definitely more into it - go check her out her @ is: taylortheantibot!

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

My wife is the real metal head but I do enjoy it too, especially classic death and black metal.

[@d.columbia9603]

I was looking for a comment touching on this. So many people can't get into death metal and black metal due to the vocals. Which is unfortunate, particularly for death as Chuck was pretty amazing lyricist. So if you don't enjoy death metal check out control denied. Only one album as Chuck passed away. But it's musically amazing great lyrics with non death metal vocals

[@danilooliveira6580]

@@d.columbia9603 I'm one of those, I like the instrumental of death/black metal, but I hate guttural singing. probably why I like power metal a lot more... also because I'm a nerd and power metal people are uber nerds.

[@d.columbia9603]

@danilooliveira6580 control denied had tim Aymaras a vocalist. much more in the traditional heavy metal or power metal vocal range. So gives people a good opportunity to hear what Chuck had to offer if they don't like the growls.

[@rachactually6884]

Hey that was me:) I made the cut! I was sent that guys video several times from my Christian fam 😅

[@stilltoomanyhats]

Aww, I was hoping they would be more along the lines of "10 gnostic gospels that were to spicy for the early church (number 8 will surprise you)"

[@christopherjaya342]

"Test everything; hold fast what is good," said apostle Paul himself. Really thankful you and your team have presented this important yet concise investigations!

[@yeehaw693]

who doesn't know John Linux, the inventor of the famous christian operating system.

[@minihalkoja590]

What is this false "christian Linux?" Everyone knows Tux the Penguin is the true lord and saviour

[@neurodeee]

I read man pages as gospel

[@gremblebean]

​@@minihalkoja590all hail Beastie, our true BSD Daemon lord.

[@Colddirector]

You laugh, but Terry Davis literally did make a Christian operating system lol

[@gremblebean]

@@Colddirector I've never managed to install TempleOS. I always intended to. It requires inputting an obscure PCI parameter at the start, or perhaps I lack faith.

[@mzchestnut7179]

As a Christian, this video was very eye-opening. Thanks for creating it and sharing. I learnt a lot.

[@TomMinnow]

3:12 ooh that's some good Christian rage bait right there. No it wouldn't be good news, because even if I wasn't going to hell for being an apostate, i would then suddenly be aware of billions of people being tortured for an eternity for simply not knowing about our refusing to worship a psycopathic narcissist. I've read the Bible, it would be horrible news if the guy who committed infant:cide, multiple genoc:des, and came up with bullshit rules like "hey naive innocent humans that have no understanding of good and evil, don't eat this fruit or you'll die" in the same garden as a persuasive snake he made. Same guy who kiIIed his most devoted guy Jobe's kids for a bet, then when asked about it talked about how he could kick leviathans ass? It would not be good news. It would be disturbing.

[@Mar_Selcouth]

I thought the same when I listened the question. Same guy who created Eve to obey and punished her for doing what she was created. And he also ordered the genoside of Canaanites. And I'm sure we can continue...

[@firstnamelastname7244]

Let's not forget that "Salvation" in the mainstream Christian sense is something you'd only need if the "Good News" was true. No Non-Christian in history has ever thought, "Man, it really sucks that there's no way for God to forgive my sins and all of us are -going to hell- sending ourselves to hell. If only..."

[@AidanVeritasTheAmazingDeist]

“Without lies, religion dies.”

[@A_Good_Name550]

12:43 "and i want to strongly emphasize that god isn't a theory *he is a person*" he just commited the worst sin

[@silverlightsinaugust2756]

Was NOT expecting Eric, but I love seeing him.

[@ImpatientTheist]

As a professing Christian. I support this message. Thanks GMS!

[@dataforge2745]

Thank you for addressing this. I follow videos regarding atheism and theism on youtube. I regularly see the same apologetics video, or short clip, posted over and over and over again, by different users. In the comments it's often the same quotes over and over as well. The converse with atheists is there are a number of channels that respond to apologetics videos. But at least they address the arguments, and that is the bulk of their content. It's like you said: They don't want to look for new arguments, and new information. They want the comfort of things they have already heard. They want other theists to present to them a pre-approved messages, that they know will be safe for their beliefs.

[@njhoepner]

Lennox's part in the Oxford debate has been posted by more apologist "content farmers" than I can count. I guess they're easily impressed, given how incredibly weak his argument was in that debate.

[@alexiswelsh5821]

“Thou shalt not steal”

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

"...unless you can make money doing it." -Capitalist Jesus

[@simianurchin7630]

Yoooo I love Eric showing up in this! Love both of you so much!

[@RagnaRogue]

I'm a Christian and I can say that this is way too true. There are plenty of well made lectures and podcasts, so we shouldn't generally watch boring reaction videos, which are anyway worthless nine times out of ten regardless of the niche.

[@JackgarPrime]

Someone told them "good artists create, great artists steal" and completely missed the point

[@Zeett09]

I like the Near-Death Experience ones. “NDE causes atheist to come back to Christ”.

[@Tim_Amit07]

Exactly!

[@pjetercatsplat]

I havent seen those, but do you have a specific reason for thinkig NDEs are not spiritual experiences?

[@Zeett09]

@ it’s that the spiritual experience happens to always coincide with the religious persuasion most experienced by the person. You never hear of a NDE of a Christian based person being subsequently convinced of the Hindu heaven. The spiritual experience I’m sure happened as the mind is powerful. I’m just not convinced that the outcome provides convincing proof of a specific type of heaven or god.

[@pjetercatsplat]

@ Oh ok that makes sense, thanks for clarifying

[@smrndalodz7182]

@@Zeett09 Also, I think recently the actor Al Pacino had a near death experience and he said that there was nothing after death, you're just dead. Come on Christians, am I not gonna trust the guy who played Scarface over you guys?

[@Jbaggy8]

I am a Christian pastor and I think the way this is being talked about, especially in the evangelical space is something like this: “there is endless content on the internet and so content creation is less useful than curation. We don’t need more content, we need faithful Christian leaders to separate the wheat from the chaffe” I think that in many ways is a cop out, but I think that would actually be the defense you would get from daily dose of wisdom.

[@CyberSolverYT]

once again accidentally clicked the notif at the right moment

[@Savagemode473]

Same

[@brandonwhitney7964]

18:47 Zoe Bee has a section in their new video where they talk about the militarization of the terminology of the political landscape

[@pod.cannion9090]

This re encouraged me to try to post on my agnostic channel more consistently. Even if it doesn't have the same reach as these Christian channels but if I can at the very least put my difference in perspective out there so that people have a chance to think for themselves I think that would be more than enough

[@anthonymata3441]

I got so excited when I heard Eric's voice! I knew he was still around but I hadn't heard or seen anything from him since back when he was a host on the atheist experience/talk heathen (and probably others I didn't watch as much), but he was always my favorite!

[@d.columbia9603]

This is a great video. I get recommendation for videos for a couple of the content farmers listed on here. The "creators" are pretty infuriating. They tend to be condescending and offer nothing of substance. Then reading the comments is even worse. Often full of complete misrepresentation of others beliefs, and belittling those misrepresented beliefs

[@jakeritter3287]

Whoah! It’s Eric from Talk Heathen! This is like a crossover episode except I found out the crossover has existed for a long time.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

These content farms are the worst in general; in addition, “Christian” content farmers are the bottom of the very deep pit. Also I will never understand the very weird human urge to watch whatever is playing front of them and - even though they are watching the person content farm - they post negative comments when the commenter actually comments. It’s truly bizarre.

[@Jim33933]

This is also a huge problem on YT with so-called science channels. They use a science article and apply an AI voice to read it, put some snazzy background music and let the AI pick the pictures in the background based on the text being read. YT is going to loose overall viewer base if they don't crack down on this.

[@HuxtableK]

Oh, not just science channels, but even science fiction channels. Ones that read out reddit stories, or whatever, using AI voice, and AI generated images in the background and thumbnails. It's lazy as hell.

[@foolishlyludicrous]

Drew: So how did those videos look Eric? Eric: HOW DARE YOU!

[@Figitarian]

Nice to see eric again

[@Enderguy57]

if churches payed taxes (in the US) you'd only have to pay 3% taxes, yes this is a direct quote no i do not know who said it

[@wesleydahar7797]

No. The government wouldn't be incentivized to lower taxes just becauseore people pay them.

[@rustanddust5524]

Couldn’t pinpoint what I particularly didn’t like about daily dose of wisdom. Thanks!😊

[@matejanosov2584]

The "We got 'em, we got 'em again! Mark that down as another one for Jesus, lads!" is SO memeable. ( 3:05 - 3:09 )

[@matejanosov2584]

I edited a typo and the heart disappeared 😢May I request it again?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

As a Christian content creator I agree with virtually all these points. I remember when I first daily dose of wisdom, I was come on, really? This guy is big? However, I don’t necessarily see repeating arguments as a bad thing if you think they work. Not just Christianity, but all schools of philosophy do this. This is why you have terms like humeian, Hegelian, Thomistic, etc. people find these schools rational and convincing and then devote their intellectual efforts towards those schools. Now, thats entirely different from just copy and pasting someone else’s work and profiting from it, but point is, using the same arguments because you belong to a school of thought isn’t a bad thing.

[@justmeonly986]

And "Thou shall not steal" doesn't apply to them, especially because they discovered crime pays

[@pothecary]

Glad to see someone covering this.

[@TheNewEvangelicals]

Really great video! Yes!

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Thanks, Tim!

[@alliemyers1160]

You know it’s a good week when Andy king AND Drew have the same video idea

[@The_Olive_Knight]

I've just realised that the nucleus in the profilepic is a tomato

[@unfollowtheinstructions6360]

Omg, I never noticed that...

[@doyinayandele1834]

Omg me too, now that you brought it up

[@weste_xp]

As a Christian I plan on watching more of your videos to learn more about the other side. It’s important that as free thinkers we expose ourselves to viewpoints of all sides of ideas, especially religion! God bless

[@RickReasonnz]

A Wild Eric appears!

[@drumrnva]

So glad you're talking about. Daily Dose of Wisdom. His mirroring of Frank Turek videos actually makes Turek's content more annoying, which I wouldn't have thought possible.

[@UtahSustainGardening]

I am clearly in the wrong business!

[@tomgncc]

As a christian, pastor and somewhat a content creator, I found your criticism very thought-provoking. Thank you.

[@existentialimp3120]

Jacksfilms should do a bingo night on these christian react videos

[@george_da4860]

YES

[@drumwaves1]

Thank you thank you thank you for making this video.. I've been commenting on daily dose of wisdom for months to have a discussion with a nobody of me and he won't respond. No value, click baiting, and steering. Just disgusting.

[@Pro-j4q]

Thats a very valid video. Thanks for making it!! In their approach to a possible god/gods, ALL humans developed man-made religions with man-made mythologies and man-made morals. Christianity and Islam are also man-made religion spread by humans not by god. There are two dangers and harms in that game: 1 When one man-made religion claims to be the only right one and all others are false. 2 When religions claim their man-made morals are given or inspired by a god and by that unquestionable. We never got any morals from god, we have to figure that out on our own. As a Deist I send you a lot human love.

[@NathanielBabalola]

I love daily dose of wisdom, he doesn't react he actually goes on to explain more in depth. And I'm glad for his channel, I've learnt a few things as a Christian ... God bless him

[@billmcdonald4335]

What else i new? Matthew ripped off Mark, Luke copied Matthew - and John re-hashed the lot of 'em.