We Need To Talk About Kevin

[@alicia_nicole]

I was completely unaware how many men simply hated us until Mr. Samuels came on the scene. Like whoa 😳

[@foxxvegas8371]

We don’t hate you sis. Kevin didn’t hate you. Men are tired of getting dumped on. For example: It’s not cool for a woman to say she doesn’t want a short man or doesn’t want a light skin man yet it’s been acceptable for years and we men just deal with it. That’s just one example. Now Kevin comes along and says enough is enough and shares mens point of view, all of of sudden we hate black women? Please Make it make sense

[@alicia_nicole]

@@foxxvegas8371 no what you said doesn't mean you hate black women. There were other things in his comment section that did though. We all have preferences and that's ok. I think it's a bit shallow to disqualify a person bc of something that's out of their control but that's their business and I doubt you'd want to seriously date someone like that anyway

[@Hippidippimahm]

@@foxxvegas8371 that’s a deeply disingenuous summary of the vile filth that man spewed. He spoke in a crass and disgusting way about Black Women, tore them down and called them names. He told them they’d die alone and then he did himself. Oops, he actually died while receiving services from a sex worker AND doing drugs. Both things he talked mad shit about but was doing himself. If that’s something to look up to then Jesus help you, cause you’re a hypocrite 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@foxxvegas8371]

@@alicia_nicole Whether I want to seriously date someone like that isn't the point. The point is women been saying shit like that for years unchecked. Now that men state their preference and standards, all of a sudden you got your panties in a bunch. all of a sudden we hate black women which is insane. Men aint having that no more and Kevin lead the charge in point out yall bullshit.The fact is many black women love Kevin's message so I don't expect you sensitive ones to like him. Keep being delusional and thinking we hate you if it makes you sleep better at night.

[@alicia_nicole]

@@foxxvegas8371 you clearly didn't read my response.....

[@yaasmiynbrown7095]

My being a dark skinned black female was never my problem it always seemed to be other people's problem. I relish in my darkness. i sit in the sun and see how dark I can get. If u don't like my darkness that's ur problem not mine. God don't make no junk

[@TNJ-gn2gv]

I wish could like this comment more than once. Shine girl!!🌟

[@yzma6142]

LOVE THIS ❤️

[@LisaBre]

Yess girl ❤️❤️❤️

[@antakeita]

“I relish in my darkness”😍👏🏿

[@pctopgs]

It's not about your darkness. idk why women make this stuff up about their darkness holding them back.

[@RBel-bh7vp]

It's deeply saddening that black women and girls can't just be honest about their individual misfortunes in their dating life and relationships without being barraged with people chalking it up to our lack of desirability. Black women please hold your sisters, listen to them and care for them, because Lord knows nobody else will.

[@Mizanthrobe]

Exactly. These guys are sharks. If they smell blood they’ll be on you. Even though women of every race has their own misfortunes. Black women are the only race that cannot talk about those misfortunes or insecurities without being taunted by people that revel in our pain. As a matter of fact BW can’t really do anything without being taunted.

[@sablewoods7003]

This..🙏🏾🙏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@latoyiamackey4642]

And we are and THEY ARE MAAAAD ABOUT IT. Our rate of success in mental health, lack of criminal record, parenting, etc. soars above other demographics. I hate NO ONE. Black Men need tremendous healing from being trained in "Self-hate" by Master Jim Crow. Samuels was a MARKETING SPECIALIST AND A GENIUS IN SALES. He bamboozled Black Men. His platform was another slave ship for Black Men

[@rwankyo3]

I completely agree with you.

[@labelsandlife]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@nycrawgirl]

With respect, Stephanie, you often speak of older unmarried women as not being chosen; but there are SO MANY of us who could have married the unintelligent, insecure, unambitious man but we passed. I could have had the terrible marriage so many women of all races have but I passed and will keep passing until I meet someone I vibe with or I die. Dying unmarried is preferable to being in a marriage with a man who is ridiculous.

[@SmallBobby]

You're not alone. I could've had two failed marriages by now and decided to passed on both. But, like you, I totally agree that it's better to be alone than be stuck in a miserable marriage.

[@angieangiel2666]

@@SmallBobby why do you assume that your two marriages will be failed marriages. You don't know that. That one man you marry y'all can stay married for the next 50 years. So stop thinking you will have a failed marriage before you even find the one to marry.

[@bludaydreamr]

Thank you for articulating my feelings about it. My mother had to remind me several years ago what I avoided in avoiding a bad marriage.

[@nycrawgirl]

@@bludaydreamr 💕💕💕

[@LizNeptune]

'Ridiculous' is the perfect word.

[@lari13s]

The biggest fallacy to me is why people took relationship advice from a man with failed marriages and an unhealthy relationship with his child. You wouldn't take business advice from someone in bankruptcy so why take marriage advice from someone who hasn't been successful in relationships? Edit: For all sexes, if you want a happy relationship, it's best to seek advice from those in said relationships. That is all.

[@lalapoo7110]

To be fair we can take the advice from him and do the opposite for different results from him 😂

[@urArchitect]

I equate followers and devotees of KS to supporters and devotees of 45. Blind leading the blind because of a deprived status and feelings of entitlement. Sad.

[@tinamenon1593]

A legacy of leaving relationships with children who no longer respect him by his self serving attitude to life. Never any advice regarding being a good father because he never was and yet lost men looked up to him not someone like B Obama. Ever a charlatan lightning his candles in his suit but no sustainable wealth either in personhood or material substance. Sadly He made his money from bullying bw. Someone's daughter, sister, cousin and mother.

[@contrinadurant9846]

@@lalapoo7110 that is just ludacris

[@Meng776]

Your only issue is that he didn't praise women constantly. You don't care about his failed marriages because most of the people who talk about marriage have failed marriages.

[@yourlittlesecret7575]

“My wig is stiff, but my intentions are pure.” - A Queen 👸🏾

[@amznmmdprncss]

I was wheezing. Her humour is elite!

[@FunandBudget]

Girlll...the way that you convey a message and break the points allllll the way down is damn-near genius. You are so gifted!

[@yessitsbritt1440]

Yess I love her videos ..her delivery is everything

[@jwalka534]

I got married at 46 keep hope alive!

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

good for you, exceptions are not the rule. Nobody said a 40 plus could not get married, y'all miss the point

[@yungaterror]

@@LuxeprivaeMedia whats the point, please enlighten us

[@cristinarivera5707]

@@LuxeprivaeMedia You are literally all over these comments for no other reason then to antagonize women. You prove all the comments about misogynoir correct. So sad for you!

[@yungaterror]

@@cristinarivera5707 and yet not providing a valid reason

[@SharonBoo0305]

Good for you. You’re the exception, not the rule.

[@RBel-bh7vp]

The whole thing of women being accused of celebrating his passing is interesting because BM aren't used to BW putting gender over race. Best believe if a prominent white conservative figure who openly spoke of black people in a derogatory way was to pass away and people celebrated, it wouldn't have been seen as immoral. But if women choose to celebrate the demise of a man who openly and unapologetically spoke ill of women, all of a sudden we're evil and "praying on a black mans downfall." They're so used to BW just getting behind anyone who is black. That's why they tried to preach against feminism and say "It's for white women" because BW realizing a different allegiance outside of just the black community threatens Black patriarchy. Just my analysis.

[@malhunt7]

Yes!!!! Love this comment ❤

[@redbullgavemewings1553]

Very true, when he was dragging bw they said he was giving his opinion and we’re emotional for being offended but now we’re also giving our opinion when he crocked and they want to cry because we’re discussing their goddaddy in a way that he discussed women. He received his high value ending with the very thing he claimed to hate; buying coochie from an overweight woman who is older than 27. I’m glad bw are finally waking up.

[@changes649]

I disagree about the feminism piece, but the rest I agree with.

[@mcallister..b8891]

100000% agree with every word

[@oldtymer9106]

3rd wave (or is it 4th wave?) feminism is a cancer that few men want any part of.

[@e.b.9188]

My wig is stiff but my intentions are pure, thats a quote 💖

[@kendraclark804]

🤣

[@marathongirl27]

😂!!!!

[@80soa]

It's funny that you have to put a disclaimer that you don't wanna disrespect him when in life he made a pretty penny disrespecting you 😑

[@lalittl]

That part. Where were the disclaimers about disrespecting black women??

[@Nekole1]

Right. I feel that OhStephco doesnt want to come across as bitter and angry so she says things that she thinks will not offend anyone or put the "angry" stereotype on her because she is a darker skin woman. I cant stand when she does this, it makes people mistreat her and also plays into the stereotype that your only acting passive for approval. Wishes she would just say how she truly feels instead of whats political correct to say to appease her audience. UPDATE 7/2/22: I understand why she does it tho. It gets her views. I love her content and she is amazing! This was not a shade comment at all. I understand that she can not say certain things due to the backlash.

[@Got2BOshun]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@MoniqueD305]

Right. I would have went in on him and gave no fucks.

[@misskris117]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@CosmicGlitterGoddess]

It’s not healing. It’s the idea of humbling bw. Breaking us down to nothing, so we don’t expect anything from them and accept far less the the love, and happiness, that we deserve. He started off telling bm to wash themselves, try to smell better, dress nicer, act as gentlemen. He even said in the widely spread clip after his passing, that if he started talking crap about bw, he’d go viral, be more successful and his following would skyrocket. Like it did. They’re not ready for that conversation. They want to feel justified when they say the same things, because bw aren’t going for the bs and surpassing bm, making them look at themselves, how far behind they are and the work, they have yet to put forth, to not only catch up with us, but catch up to the other races and ethnicities of men that they should really be comparing themselves to.

[@skiphopflipflopdripdrop]

THIS 💯

[@yazzy6860]

All of this 🔥

[@mololaseye5586]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@girlielove188love7]

Well said 👌🏽

[@Nat0528]

All of this‼️‼️😘🙌🏽🙌🏽💪🏽🙌🏽

[@JuliaBrown-te9dp]

"Connection brings healing, not criticism." Well said, Steph.

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@CoachLove]

BW must expand our options and stop being so laser focused on bm who keep showing that they don’t value us anyway.

[@paintitblack9712]

I understood the assignment🙌☺️

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

A fit, feminine friendly, cooperative woman is ALWAYS valued. If there is something you need to work on start there.

[@maribelle7673]

@@paintitblack9712 Me, too, and life is so much happier😁

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@aceshouse3389]

👋👋👋

[@msveee4553]

People followed Charles Manson too; a following does not prove legitimacy. Keep up the good work, you are amazing (obviously).. 😌

[@sungexpression9093]

U can put them same arguments to any creator including this creator

[@msveee4553]

​@@sungexpression9093 I agree, however, in my opinion we are all creators, therefore 'following' any human seems rather strange to me. Furthermore, the apparent willingness of some to take dating/marital advice from a SINGLE man in his late 50s adds another layer of lunacy to the mix.

[@sungexpression9093]

@@msveee4553 he was single by choice Men don’t have the pressure to be married women do, so you lose that one

[@kindred42]

This is what I'm saying...when I see other black femme you tubers be like he's a genius.... (like firstly....yallllllll......) Was Jim Jones a Genius who sociopathically committed a mass murder and suicide of his followers when he found out his jig was up??? His ability to get people to staunchly follow him is just the narcissist sociopathic playbook. Like I stated on another page.....Why don't yall praise slave masters for their "marketing" abilities as they were able to enslaved physically and psychologically a group of people so much so that many of them mimic their tactics till this day...hence birthing kevin samuels and the black manosphere. We gotta deconstruct our own white colonists and capitalist ways of thinking before we praise a person. I understand its business...but what do yall think those business tactics stem from. Ya don't have to praise it even if you are using it to survive. It's weird and off putting but still I love her work regardless.

[@msveee4553]

​@@sungexpression9093 Presumably, someone who chose to get married (twice) was seeking erm...the married life. Perhaps things changed though, who knows; totally irrelevant in terms of my points anyhow. I never play in comment sections for too long; let's agree to disagree shall we. Sending positive vibes your way.

[@avibecallednellez]

BMs idea of healing the community is humbling and insulting BW. It’s embarrassing and hurtful.

[@beewest5704]

BM are weak. Instead of stepping up & meeting BW where they are they rather pull them down. I trust no race that gets mad at other ppl in their race who educate & better themselves. So you want dumb women to have dumb kids? WTH.

[@ShandraGraham]

Yep...Its very telling how they feel like knocking us in the head...healed us. And as Kevin promoted domestic abuse...that in some way was supposed to knock sense into Black woman. Like he advocated for violence and disrespect for men to "get us" and thats what is so disturbing to me. Because now if you go on any social media platform, anyone that interacts with a Black woman NOW IMMEDIATELY starts throwing KS style insults like that is supposed to change the game for them in an argument. Thats why I tell women if they hear any of his mantras out of a man stay away, because he taught them to be violent as well as disrespectful. PROTECT YOURSELVES.

[@agsweet708]

That part

[@alluringbliss4165]

It's disgusting

[@AshzxQuidYT]

So true!

[@nikkimango2649]

The act of conflating disrespect with directness/bluntness (or worse, honesty/"tough love") is far too prevalent amongst black people and needs to promptly die in a fire 🤷🏾‍♀️ Thank you for addressing it bc it really has most of us in a chokehold.

[@mamboawasum-henry4980]

Just because the majority of a group of men look at you as a “ throwaway” doesn’t mean you shouldn’t look at yourself as prize. I know I do. The lion doesn’t speak when the dog barks.

[@jacobporter4148]

That’s a TERRIBLE way of thinking. SMH

[@me_not_me]

It's not even the majority of men... that's the gag. Just a few, loud, sad, little boys🤣

[@jacobporter4148]

@@me_not_me you’d be surprised how many me are waking up to the negativity that’s out here.

[@barronjames.]

“ throwaway” is an asian concept

[@pootlovato8237]

@@barronjames. How is that an asian concept?

[@heyrosemaryarnold]

I wouldn't call it an "anointing" even the devil has great ambassadors. Kevin wasn't about healing or connection he was about tearing bw down and humiliating them. It's very okay to disagree with someone who has died, that's not disrespect. People do not become saints because they have died. He didn't start the misogynoir movement but he capitalised heavily on it. His followers are not about growth and love but are vehemently loyal to their hatred of black women. You cannot reason or explain your critique with people who bent on hating and shaming you because you were born a black female.

[@Black.hole.]

Ding ding!!! Agreed!

[@malhunt7]

👏👏👏

[@judgenotlestyebejudge]

You do realize that he was criticizing men, ( particularly black men) before he went on to women. And critiqued ALL races of women not just black. The man was just trying to build back the black community as a whole so we can come to one another again, that was his major goal. For God sakes he was a member of a black fraternity!!

[@catwhisperer1253]

@@judgenotlestyebejudge You are so obviously a man. 🙄

[@stacey6229]

THIS!👏🏾

[@celineelumelu9922]

I love that you said “ connection brings healing not criticism” beautifully said ! 💗

[@me_not_me]

I literally got married at 35... the whole "throw away" thing is completely stupid 😒 🙄 🤣

[@MsElizaRae]

I, as a 23 year old woman, feel like you can't seriously date now in days until you get into your 30s lol

[@millennialx9044]

At least four of my friends got married and had their first child in their thirties... Sometimes I wonder if people are quoting fanfiction and calling it facts

[@KB91879]

@@millennialx9044 I don't doubt your antidotal experience and I'm very happy for the successful relationships and families your four friends have created. However, I could easily tell you I have 20 female friends in their late 30s struggling through invitro fertilization and panicking because they don't have enough eggs to keep trying. I have 13 female friends that froze their eggs at 33 in order to have more successful attempts at having children. Both of our experiences are too small of a sample size to describe the world at large. However, what I'm describing is more in line with what's happening in the world than what you're saying. The data doesn't lie, it's harder for women to have children beyond 35. There's a heightened threat of danger to Black women's lives and their children's lives with older pregnancy. There's are reason medical professionals are saying this and have been saying this. Men seeking to have families weigh this in their decision making for a "life partner." As far as people getting together, you can do that at any age, but ladies still have to remain attractive to men. There are former models talking about being invisible in rooms full of men. I would encourage you to read up on data beyond just the people you know. The recent Supreme Court rulings should tell you people are noticing something even if they don't outright tell you.

[@mzmeshelle]

I'm getting married at 46 for the first time. Throw that nonsense in the 🗑. I didn't want children and marriage wasn't a priority but here I am with the right man for me.

[@millennialx9044]

@@mzmeshelle before I accepted his ring, my hubby literally chased me around the world during my twenties every vacay, bday, holiday, or I don't feel like working let's use these sick days I was in those international streets! The idea of spending the best years of youth tied down married with kids was not it for me, but I know know even people with kids are global citizens. Even after we got married we are still country hopping nomads, and only that bish C@rona slowed us down and she had to slow the whole world down first.

[@randomsarcasm2022]

"Yeah, I get it. You've been saying it since the day I was born." @14:44 is POWERFUL. Little black girls are barely out of the womb before the community is checking their ears and discussing their skin color to determine their worth. PREACH.

[@sungexpression9093]

But they do that with black men too

[@Morenita570]

@Sung If you’re always comparing yourself to girls and women, how can you ever be a man? You can’t be a man hanging around women, arguing with women, competing with women and still losing. You may look like a male, but you will never be a man.

[@randomsarcasm2022]

@@Morenita570 PREACH! He needs to go compete ECONOMICALLY with a White man. Go compare yourself to a White man. Stop invading women's spaces!

[@Miranda-gi9fx]

@@sungexpression9093 Dark skin black men are not seen as undesirable in the community though.

[@themostbeautifulisraw4561]

Facts

[@greenbyrd3665]

You definitely hit on something when discussing how black people talk to each other. We are often not kind to each other, and the behavior is lifted up as normal and yes, even entertaining. K S was just the latest incarnation of this toxic behavior. It's a sad commentary on the state of the black community.

[@monimuppet6132]

Yes. It's important to keep pointing out that KS was NOT the first of his kind and his "teachings" were not new nor anything close to revolutionary. It's the same snake oil grifters haven been pedaling for centuries to the vulnerable and downtrodden. It's the tried and true method of getting ppl to either blame themselves or scapegoat a whole group of ppl for some type of profit. Shedding our complexity and creativity to reduce ourselves to commodities for the sake of not "dying alone" has NEVER brought harmony to a community. It. Does. Not. Work. Not at any time, in any civilization.

[@greenbyrd3665]

@@monimuppet6132 Amen.

[@angieangiel2666]

Yes your right. The black community don't like to help each other and like to put each other down. You don't see that in other races of people. Other races help each other, and will send money home to their family members. If you owe a black person five dollars they will run you down until you pay it back

[@sararichardson737]

Word. Count me out! It’s an odious position to be in.

[@dkt4377]

Kevin Samuels spoke hard uncomfortable truths. May he RIP.

[@tessfromtheu.s256]

I thank keven Samuels because of him, any time I went on a date and I heard his talking points I bounced. A lot of undercover sexists, were out in the open running their mouths, I wasted a lot less time when on the first date they were hating on woman 😹.

[@IzzyInTheCity]

Same. His followers are easy to spot and if I hear any of those buzzwords, Im out.

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

Right?! They quote his sayings like scripture. It's an absolute turn off.

[@tessfromtheu.s256]

@@sugarwaterpurple5280 I just feel bad for them because they are really struggling to find a partner, they often have mommy issues, it's where it stems from usually.

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

@@tessfromtheu.s256 Very true, and daddy (or lack of daddy) issues.

[@foxxvegas8371]

@@tessfromtheu.s256 Yall kill me with that same talking point about mommy issues lol. It's tired sis. Nobody got mommy issues, and nobody struggling to find a partner. its called BW can't accept the truth issue. It's also called BW don't want to hear BM out issues and yall have been so conditioned to think so highly of yourselves that nobody can tell you nothing. Yet we still love you even when you say we hate you.

[@mee9452]

It’s interesting how you brought up the ways in which we speak to eachother culturally. My husband and I got into it the other day about this. I was raised with basically a “black hippie” mom who POURED love, praise,positive affirmation into us. But my husband was raised with an insecure “tough” black dad,who thought love was speaking to my husband in a sort condescending tone and just kinda of mean language but bought material items to regain or show love. And his mom is just kinda invisible. So now my husband and I bump heads at times because although he doesn’t like how his father raised him,the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. He thinks im to soft and I think he’s too harsh. For example, I explain to him back handed compliments are not compliments. “Ohhh girl you think you’re cute?!? “ NO just say “You look cute” . I hope we get to a space as a cultural where we are just NICE. But I understand that the world is not always nice to us and like you said it’s so much trauma and goes deep from where this comes from.

[@mee9452]

I know I wrote a lot, lol I was just venting! 😂

[@naturally_nica]

Girl 🤦🏾 the truth you just spoke 😭 there really isn't a level of "nice" speak within this community. It's always this hostile undertone and I hate it. We always have to fight and degrade each other but there really isn't a solid reason why it *HAS* to be that way!! We have to protect ourselves from them outside people, we shouldn't have to do the same from each other. I hope your husband takes a hard look at how he approaches communication and makes a positive change. Wishing you peace and sending love and light your way!

[@alleyinn1]

I can relate to this. I have the same type of mom and I grew up thinking ppl should be tender/kind feel my softness/niceness as a handicap. I feel like a cat with no claws. This is part of how I know Kevin's content was crap bc I was all the things that he said women should be and still had bad experiences with black men.

[@tinamenon1593]

Very profound comment 👌

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@INTERESTEDINFORMEDINSPIRED]

Didn’t feel anything when he was alive and don’t feel anything now that he’s gone…the only things I know about the manosphere is from other creators engaging in discourse or poking fun at it…things are hard enough without having to listen to incels say disparaging things about women at large and black women in particular… there’s this African proverb that states that empty drums/vessels make the loudest noises. Quite literally and figuratively Edit: ‘black teacher voice’ lol yes adjustments in tone have to be made in mixed company Some people may also argue that he didn’t have to be polite since people were calling him for consultations knowing what they’ll get. But I say, honesty without compassion is brutality. It’s possible to be honest and tactful

[@beewest5704]

Some ppl have no values I want apart of. KS told us what his values were & so did his supporters.

[@samij6071]

100%

[@WhoCares3001]

My grandmother isn't African and said that "empty barrels beat the loudest". The way we're all connected. Whew! And same, I know of these hateful nigcels, manosphere types from other content creators reviewing/critiquing them. No way I'm engaging with those denigrates.

[@INTERESTEDINFORMEDINSPIRED]

@@WhoCares3001 we are all connected which is why I don’t like the divisive things people say or do…

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@maddyG7414]

Ironically, his hardcore supporters were often the people wrapped up in emotion who felt validated by his facade, yet they claim anyone who criticized him was too emotional to see the ‘truth’. The man had no place to be offering advice, he was just a empty shell in nice clothing. I always felt this heavy sense of deep insecurity and a need to feel superior from him and his past proves it. His priorities were always materialism, appearance and a shallow, unintelligent view of human connection. He never presented anything profound, his perception of love in relationships was very strange and transactional and to be honest, his death does not change my opinion. I’m sorry for his family, I hope they saw a gentler and kinder side than we saw.

[@wordtothewise711]

It's great that u say that because watching Kevin is an eye opener in some ways. He dressed the part, acted the part and talk the talk. But at the end of the day he was promiscuous because he had the money, power, and respect. Now women who were interviewed by him had there own issues and we all could see and hear them. At the same time asking a man who isn't married or in a meaningful relationship for advice is a red flag. Kevin showed us what high income men wanted. Fun, Beautiful Women, and A Fast Life. I'm Sure He was a great guy. But the Facade to maintain his viewers was also put up cause that's what made him money. And that's what he was known for. So Kevin holding down a relationship wasn't gonna happen. It would break character to an extent. The other thing is plenty of women were throwing themselves at him so he didn't have to work as hard to get them. Plenty of men of high value date and marry women. The issue is are both parties ready to take the relationship seriously and appreciate each other. Learn together, grow, and communicate effectively with one another. If not then of course it's gonna be a fling.

[@realestatecoachestv]

@@wordtothewise711 Don't waste your breath on her, You can't change the mind of lost souls like these

[@maddyG7414]

@@realestatecoachestv I’ll gladly stay lost, it’s probably better than flat out delusion lol.

[@realestatecoachestv]

@@maddyG7414 Noah looked crazy until the rains came. He was soooo right they killed him spiritually. Unfortunately none of us is powerful enough to prove this was a spiritual attack so all we can do is warn folks like you!!

[@KC-ki9uj]

I'm a black woman and I cry or get mad when people give me the harsh talk. I never read it as love despite what other black people tell me.

[@Mizanthrobe]

That’s because harsh talk is disguised as constructive criticism, when actually it’s just people with a bad spirit that just want to be mean. Constructive criticism is salt and sugar. Never just salt.

[@charmaineespeut4627]

Me too. I give respect so I expect respect back. I don't speak to people harshly because it's rude.

[@indivisuals]

When the tears would fall from my eyes, whether it was 1 or 20 family members they would yell “Whatchu crine fuh!! 🤨” BECAUSE I’M HURT & FEEL ATTACKED!! 🥺😭

[@charmaineespeut4627]

@@indivisuals Growing up as a sensitive Black girl in an insensitive family is the worst. They always called me a cry baby until I started clapping back and then they complained I "went below the belt". Well hurt people, hurt people and they emotional harmed me. To this day I have self esteem issues from their "jokes".

[@indivisuals]

@@charmaineespeut4627 This is the exact follow through! When I started defending myself if I wasn’t told I was now “mean” of course a butt whooping ensued because I “had a slick mouth,” well I was never taught respect through demonstration from adults, & that sh*t talking is a permissible way to engage people, how is it an issue now that I choose to not stay subordinate?! 🤔

[@Got2BOshun]

Girl! You saving souls out here! Continue to do this life changing work !!! Bravo!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@MeditativeMuse5860]

Ah! I’m never first to comment on stuff! Thank you for having this conversation. You’re always so poised and concise when discussing difficult topics. We appreciate you 💛

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

except the fact that she didn't provide any facts, data, or statistics....I find it hilarious that Steph uses a logical fallacy to point out a logical fallacy that she created.

[@mmps18]

The way he's described as a 'healer of the community' by so many people online is..... interesting

[@kyliCatherine1]

It’s delusional

[@joyos413]

Lmao it’s the funniest thing I’ve heard my whole life.

[@latoyatangelo]

Girl…I feel no sympathy about his death. He was a jackass.

[@ColdDiva]

Fr! Ding Dong Dat Ni@@ Gone!

[@malhunt7]

Same! Why would I mourn the demise of an enemy who actively prayed for mine? Hah! So long and goodnight 💩

[@themostbeautifulisraw4561]

Sis I was cackling when I found out, idc

[@ColdDiva]

@@themostbeautifulisraw4561 I exclaimed a few look at God won’t he do it over here.

[@themostbeautifulisraw4561]

@@ColdDiva girl I’m an atheist but I was thanking God. WONT HE DO IT!!

[@thirdeyeopen2606]

The fact that people are taking this god position and calling other people throw away. Is insane. Women and men know where they rank realistically. Nobody need to tell a 5ft woman you’ll never make it as an Victoria Secret model or telling a guy who work in a warehouse you’ll never own a Bentley and date the super model. Most people know how others view them and don’t need people to tell them this unless you’re a narcissist. His message wasn’t necessary it was just for money as he admitted.

[@naturalelation1631]

Ooo chile... A word.💯

[@niax782]

Pin this! 📌

[@keptbygrace6221]

His message was indeed necessary. I'm a woman and I consistently shook my head at the delusions of many of his callers. In the beginning I actually thought he paid those women, but I kept listening and realized they were for real. It made me sad.

[@Mizanthrobe]

Narcs, Sociopaths and Psychopaths. Narcs put others down to feel better about themselves. Sociopaths put others down because the part of their brain that processes emotion and feeling is underdeveloped. And Psychopaths hate people. These are the people that feel the need to put others down. I pray that our young black girls will be able to see the light, so to speak and know that the problem is not with them.

[@kikibrown9548]

@@keptbygrace6221 The women that called in don’t represent the aggregate. Kevin tried to do street interviews at one time and did not get the kind of responses he received on social media. The black women gave reasonable responses. No one was aggressive or had an attitude. This took place in Atlanta at Lenox Mall. He stopped doing those shows because they didn’t present the narrative that he was trying promote.

[@rachelfrombefore]

Oh Steph. You are my literal favorite. You is real kind for this one 😂🤭 I appreciate your empathy for someone who in my opinion… girl. Did not deserve it. But I will skip right on over to Patreon later and get the uncensored version.

[@justcallmebon2684]

The fact that people keep referring to this very dead, disrespectful, perfume salesman as “Mr. Samuels” as if he deserves any respect just blows my mind.

[@sallyhemings2295]

Some refer to him as “Kitten Heels 👠 “🤣😂

[@hellodiamonds]

💯

[@lb6902]

Or rhey call him godfather

[@barronjames.]

his points were valid

[@angeleyes3386]

Calling him “The Godfather” makes me cringe and feel sad for this generation even more

[@ev6564]

It is tragic to see black women defending Kevin Samuels. BW are getting degrees because most BM are very unreliable. If black women want strong black marriages...but hold on...who would BW get married to? BM marry the least, marry out the most, and divorce the most out of all races of men. We do not have quality options to choose from. Not to mention black femicide. Kevin Samuels, when he was still alive, should have focused on holding other BM accountable. Others like him still alive NEED to call out and focus primarily on other BM, not BW. There are BW coaches that focus on BW and the work we need to do. KS had some valid points...but he definitely harmed BW and the black community more than he ever helped them. He most likely switched from talking to BM to BW because he knew it would get more views. I understand seeing certain types of BM say this (they do not care about BW being harmed) but another BW... Why not defend Chrissie, Real Talk with Yanie, etc.? Why not type out paragraphs defending BW who do not demean BW but still hold them accountable?

[@dkt4377]

With a 30% blk marital rate and 80% of our children born as basterds, the time for being polite and diplomatic when discussing our issues has long passed. We are reaching critical mass. Kevin Samuels spoke hard truths in blunt ways. I disagreed with his delivery, but I can't deny what he was saying.

[@ev6564]

​@@dkt4377 I understand your sentiment, but his words did not work. Did those marital rates, crime rates, or femicide rates improve with his years on KZbin? I don't think so

[@dkt4377]

@@ev6564 I don't think Kevin was trying to decrease the crime rate... at least, not directly. He tried to make a difference. I could ask the same of Steve Harvey who began giving relationship advice to blk women in 2008. Has Steven Harvey improved the marital rates in the blk community? Kevin Samuels planted seeds that we may not see grow until many years after his passing.

[@MichelMawon4982]

I had to pause 15 minutes in and comment. His messaging was so damaging and we will not be able to quantify its impact on our inter ethnic gender divide. That he was on the "in memorium" of the BET awards and Taraji kept saying "black men, we love you" made me want to give an adult "shaken baby syndrome". When people say they don't get the "hate" because he didn't kill anyone, I think this is either stupid or intellectually dishonest to behave like words can't be inflammatory or that words have tremendous power, add to that, influence, and people will listen, and act. He fed on the frustrations of men who chose poorly and were hurt by the non partnership material they chose, but, rather than tell those men that, he turned their frustration into hate. The worst part is that he was smart and used his power to widen the chasm, not nartow it. Black women don't have a reputation of being unsupportive to black men and not loving black men, we have a PR problem and when black men who should be the most familiar with us use their public platforms to single out why we are undateable and not marriage material, they make it so others less familiar with us feel justified in staying away. I didn't celebrate his passing or feel gleeful, but I didn't mourn him either...only what he could've been to an already "leftover" population. By the way, the term "leftover" that he was using is one from Chinese culture assigned to unmarried women over 30. He was unoriginal and "average at best". The one thing he wasn't average at, he abused it in a predictably average way making it universally true about him.

[@aliciagordon3205]

I agree

[@cynthiahoward2285]

I agree with everything you said!

[@maribelle7673]

Not the “Shaken Baby Syndrome” on Taraji🤣 Taraji and all her nonsense is truly ridiculous😏 Kevin Samuels “killed” the self-esteem of the BW he demonized and perpetuated hatred of BW. People who don’t understand how damaging that is have no common sense or intelligence😞

[@ktw70]

Ewww not an In Memoriam segment for that nasty man!

[@Meng776]

Those men who chose poorly still need their stories told just like the black women who have been choosing poorly for decades. There are endless songs, movies, and other media bashing black as a relationship partner. One guy does it to black women and you lose your minds. For every black men ain't ish, there should be a black woman ain't ish....if you want equality and independence. He matched energy and black women realized how toxic and hurtful it is to them...but not what they do to others. If you want traditional roles, men need to suck it up and make it work. If women want independence, suck it up and take your medicine.

[@klassycountryk]

This!!! I've been known I was average. I've been nerdy for years. Black men made it apparent that I wasn't the type they were checking for. I've been judged and held accountable for other Black women before I was legally a woman. KS message wasn't something that stung me. It did make realize to open up my dating options and stop focusing on Black love.

[@jm-je4tl]

How's it going? Genuine question

[@klassycountryk]

@@jm-je4tl I'm the stereotypical BW with a degree 🤷🏾‍♀️. I'm a late bloomer to the dating game, so that's interesting to navigate. The men at my job and workout classes think I'm somewhat attractive, (or maybe in the only woman 🤷🏾‍♀️). Probably will have my Dad do an arranged marriage for me

[@IAmNextUp]

The nerdy bit is a non issue. If you looked like Lori Harvey, and was nerdy, you would have a whole different experience with men

[@klassycountryk]

@@IAmNextUp yup

[@kwameopoku3576]

Lol wats ur point Are u tryna say ur looking for partner or u just wna be alone Dosent matter if ur nerdy u probably move manly How u with doing things like cookin for ur partner

[@taylorlaurenstein]

Steph literally crossed my mind like an hour ago. Lo and behold!💕

[@Meeounn]

He must of pssed off a voodoo/dark magic woman because his death was something out of Death Note.

[@liabw05]

Yea… well he messed with black women… he had it coming 💥

[@thirdeyeopen2606]

Ah death note fan I see.

[@yelxebi.392]

To the initial comment I'm glad you didn't state a color of women. To rebekah bart The woman he was with when he passed wasn't black though. Soooooooooo 🤦🏿‍♀️

[@nonono-rf7ox]

The irony of that man dying without family and with stranger in his home, of heart disease. How he use to say black women will die alone of heart diseases and high blood pressure. I always say this, be kind! correct and disagree with kindness!!!!

[@Meng776]

It's not irony, that isn't a bad death from a man's standpoint. The problem is you've never been forced to see anything except your own vp. Most men are perfectly fine dying inside of some gorgeous cooch. A woman dying alone....that might hurt you.

[@ladybird491]

Kindness do not need to be returned when someone don't give it back. God has an angel of war, for ones of those reasons, to teach us that we got to go hard sometime at people who aren't kind to us.

[@TheColumbiakid]

She was a stranger to you because he picked to protect her. She fought to save his life...and you making that man fight to see his kids

[@communitysolutionspro1520]

I work in healthcare and I can tell you a lot of men die alone and unmarried. Don't let them shame you when they are in the same boat maybe a little worse because women will team up with their friends like the golden girls

[@sungexpression9093]

Men don’t want marriage in the same way women do

[@communitysolutionspro1520]

@@sungexpression9093 marriage is a benefit. You can see in other communities how they prosper

[@sungexpression9093]

@@communitysolutionspro1520 to women primarily Single men do great

[@communitysolutionspro1520]

@@sungexpression9093 not when they get old

[@j.j2846]

Same! I worked on a stroke ward. It was mainly the black men that was either alone or homeless. So awful to see. One thing I did notice was the divorced or unmarried women always had a community around them whether they were old colleagues, friends, nieces and nephews

[@KingBluetooth66]

It's over for both men and women. Everyones standards are too high tinder and social media changed the dating world forever.

[@charellesexii6555]

Facts

[@ChristinaLove844]

@Greenlit I've found myself thinking this exact thing.

[@Fudgeey]

I don't think standards are too high, but I do think people are seeking the wrong things as standards. Compatibility and connection, communication should be the goal imho, but it's like no one is looking for those things. A lot of people are looking for fat @s$es, fat checks, and perpetual compliance in partnership, when that's not what's going to bring true happiness.

[@IAmNextUp]

@@Fudgeey nah, it's women's standards that are too high

[@Fudgeey]

@@IAmNextUp It's like you didn't read what I said at all.

[@LH-mn3cc]

This is probably the most important video you've ever made. It really shows the depths of your intellect and empathy. Brava!

[@stacey6229]

You must be a Kevin samuels fan if it took this video of every video she’s made, to come to this conclusion 🙄

[@marcoross1914]

@@stacey6229 hell i thought he was being sarcastic. This is the typical rhetoric you hear from all UOF... #UnwantedOldFeminist

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@cristinarivera5707]

At the end of the day Kevin Samuels appeals to extremely insecure self centered men who have a lot of deep rooted trauma. These men need the services of a therapist. Misogyny will not heal you, Sir!

[@PLTbyCormie]

The last video I made was about KS almost two years ago. He responded with his Queens of average video..KS is a classic case of a person who at best had narcissist personality disorder..he lived a life of internal torment always chasing a high..he was deeply shamed which is why he always projected shame onto others.. regardless of whether some of what he said was truth or not..he was sick..and shouldn’t have been giving advice but instead he should have sought professional help..his videos are a blessing to all black women..they expose the heart of men..show them to any guy you maybe entertaining ..they should help weed them out immediately if they subscribe to his mentality..he is definitely toxic

[@BrendaBaBoom]

He was a classic case of a crudball.

[@AshzxQuidYT]

I was thinking about that too, it’s so much better to know that they think that way up front.It’s abuse and there is nothing cute about it! I remember the algorithm suggested his video before he disrespected that black women and blew up. I remember thinking what a piece of crap he was. He was a ugly mean human being dead or not!

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@matttate920]

As a man, he spoke str8 facts. We alway tell it how it is, how you gonna snowflake your way through racism in 2022? Grow up. Either buy your box wine and puppy or get your therapy. I’ve seen no other black show run by men, send or recommended therapy for black women. No felonies, clean and stood on his square. The decision is and always has been yours. That’s what he taught me.

[@BrendaBaBoom]

@@matttate920 Did ya Ma and Pa teach you anythang tho?

[@user-ju2ut2dj1l]

Beyond KS usual manosphere and Black woman hating content, he also endorsed and encouraged Black women to turn a blind eye to their kids being abused so that they don’t make their man unhappy. He was extremely awful, toxic, and harmful and just cause he died it doesn’t mean he suddenly deserves our respect and empathy. Bless you for always being so balanced and articulate Steph!

[@ashlouw5350]

That stood out more to me the harmful sexual, mental, verbal and physical abuse he was encouraging.. The toxicity overshadowed everything and what made it more harmful was he probably preaching the same toxicity to men who was practicing this deviant behaviour . He was validating to them its fine to behave that way

[@user-ju2ut2dj1l]

@@ashlouw5350 exactly, it was all connected. He wanted to beat down Black women’s confidence and self esteem so much so that they would be silenced and more receptive to relationship abuse. I think Steph is giving him a lot more credit than he ever would deserve, that man was a danger to our community and he deserves to be called out as such.

[@ashlouw5350]

@@user-ju2ut2dj1l Exactly..The people that saw some sort of value in his message unfortunately get very easily minuplated by a few words and he was like a typical door to door salesman sifting through crap hoping you'll buy into it. I don't know why she was praising him so much like he was a genius on something that was a fluke. He was doing his consulting and other crap ( marketing) and sucked at it for years. He wasn't even an after thought to anyone until he behaved like a douche to a woman who needed to speak to an actual professional. That doesn't take any marketing skills for what he was doing... It seems the best way for anyone to get a high subscriber count is to sit there dressed up and degrade a black women. He made it mentally possible for preferences and mysgonistic men to make a career out of attacking black women. And the 'Mr' ing thing kept reminding me of the character in the 'Colour Purple' that's who his persona was truly based of on and he was disgusting not a genius

[@leronrussell1628]

Damn I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the show for context huh

[@ashlouw5350]

@@leronrussell1628 I think you and a lot of his other fans were looking for context in his disfunction when overall there reallly wasn't...Remember, he said it out of his own mouth sitting in his car he told everyone. And he basically described in order for him to get notoriety and money, he had to change his whole message into bashing bw because bm don't want to hear issues about themselves and how it effects the community even when it came to basic things like properly grooming themselves. I couldn't listen or take out any value out of a man with no educational background in what he wanted to come of as an expert in when he himself was the common denominator in his failed marriages and he exempt himself out of it and telling dysfunctional men the same thing too

[@stormyjackson]

2 videos in one day?!? We eating good today! 🤣

[@paintitblack9712]

🤣

[@Sweetjlr]

He was rude, racist, misogynistic and disrespectful end of story.

[@ddot9566]

Exactly! Nothing more to be said.

[@MrBurntout2]

How?

[@gloriabowie2453]

Exactly

[@emmavero6307]

RIght?? They always make it sound like he was deep and unique.

[@Blissedx]

Exactly. Good riddance.

[@akay3787]

wow wow wow you hit me like a TRUCK!! I'm a woman in my late 20s, but you just made me realize I follow the exact same thought pattern as those men!! When you were talking about men being hurt and then deciding to go their own way and basically die alone, it was like you were describing me. I've been so hurt in life in that I've just made peace with wanting to be alone, even though deep within I do desire love. Like, why won't I allow myself to be vulnerable and be open to a partner, instead of resigning to a lonely life as a result of people who hurt me. It's like giving those people all of my power for life, because I decided to remain alone for the rest of my life instead of accepting partnership. Definitely food for thought for me...

[@cmg25]

The fact that disclaimers are the soup du jour is why people continuously avoid accountability. "To question the reasoning of his massive following" is a perfectly appropriate activity given the negative nature of what he promoted. We need less equivocation when it comes to being outraged about how black women are treated. Imagine if there were disclaimers when discussing the "popular people" of 1933-1945 (so sorry! not here to judge!) or those who've been named every time there is a mass shooting. May we have less concern about hurting people's feelings when we point to the truth of their destructive impact.

[@killajanda5084]

I am a dark skinned, plus size woman and I have been very unlucky in love. However, I know plenty of dark skinned black women of all shapes and sizes who have found real and profound love from men: black and white alike… women close to or over 40 being so beautifully loved. I could never understand Kevin Samuel’s following. Also wondering the status of Marlon Wayans and J-Hud after his post lashing out at women who didn’t like Kevin Samuel….

[@nancykerrigan]

What did Jennifer Hudson say about him?

[@killajanda5084]

@@nancykerrigan I don’t think she said anything about Kevin Samuels… I just wonder how she felt about Marlon Wayans waxing lyrical about Kevin after his passing. Particularly as she had been romantically linked to Marlon Wayans. Just wondering out loud about other peoples business… lol…. Because if my man worshipped at Kevin’s alter, there would be some problems…. Just wondering if that would make her side-eye Marlon even a little bit

[@nancykerrigan]

@@killajanda5084 THEY DATED?!?!?! Wow I'm out of it. I know they starred in the Aretha Franklin movie together but if true then wow

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

what do you mean "unlucky" in love? Are you a wife?

[@lavonnealexander6936]

When I see overweight black women with a white men, she eventually loses her weight dating him.

[@monimuppet6132]

"There is no room for building connections." Exactly. From the manosphere to the "resting in your femininity" camps, I've found very little about developing genuine affection and care for thos other person we all supposedly need so desperately to partner. I'd rather be single than with someone I have to perform for. And if passing while surrounded by my beautiful family and amazing child means I'm dying alone bcs I wasn't currently f**king anyone - then I'll just die alone. I am also not here for labeling those that made their living off the intentional manipulation and exploitation of the vulnerable, geniuses. One does not need intelligence (especially not emotional intelligence) to be successful at marketing hate, only a lack of empathy. I've said many times that I am not celebrating his death but I'm not going to attribute any praise to his work while he lived.

[@cosmicdiamond2702]

Pure fire!

[@saika.magoichi.214]

KS did have points about certain things. But for every 1 true thing he said it was followed by something completely unnecessary, sexist and just straight up hateful. KS had the opportunity to better black men and become a role model for young black men that grew up without a dad or grown men who just need guidance on what it truly means to a be a man . But he chose to use his platform to just yell at black women for money on a daily basis The way that black men literally idolized him as a God is really a clear indication of how truly lost some black men are. (and yes I'm a black male so Pls don't @ me lol. ) I saw a Twitter post of somebody comparing him to Malcom X and I'm like what?? 😭 As far as celebrating somebody's death I see nothing wrong with that. If you do clownery while your alive that doesn't automatically go away just because you passed. Yall know good and well when trump or McConnell passes away Twitter gonna be making all types of memes on them. How is this any different? Also the most hilarious (and ironic) thing about KS is his whole idea of a "high value man" doesn't even apply to most of his followers. Half of them can't cook, don't contribute anything to relationships , don't have a successful career and aren't financially stable yet they wanna blame confident black women for their own problems. It's hilarious lol

[@tamirajohnellestyle]

Agreed

[@meep_murp8758]

He died a hypocrite. He died twice divorced, neglected his only daughter, and unhealthy. I did admire his preachy words about a "healthy two-parent black household" but he never grew up with that, or living by that code either.

[@laj4186]

@@meep_murp8758 He neglected his daughter?

[@yourmotherhatesyou641]

@@laj4186 Yes, both of his exes came out to mention they were the breadwinners, so his message never aligned with his own life.

[@meep_murp8758]

@@laj4186 The internet spent more time mourning him than she has since the day he passed so I believe this is accurate.

[@AliciaAmbrosia]

The internet is one helluva drug. I hope real life continues to be real life

[@starlight3497]

Another well-explained, insightful high-quality video of you, it’s up there with the ‘Pretty privilege’ video 👏🏽

[@yourfriendgen4427]

I’m already intrigued a few seconds in! Love thought pieces. Thank you!

[@SCFLEUR]

The memory of Kevin Samuels does not have to be treated with kid gloves

[@jenn4593]

This video was definitely healing for anyone who felt hurt or felt less-than due to watching Kevin Samuel’s content. Thank you for this video.

[@meep_murp8758]

Why did he feel the need to bad mouth black women when he never even dated them???? He liked thick Latina women, like the one he died right next to. What a wasted life.

[@senoracheapee1864]

More than thick, he like "heavy hitters with a FUPA" (his words). The same body types he disparaged BW for having- the literal irony of it all.

[@jazdj04]

he never dated them? who said that? KS was mad annoying but that is false. his TWO ex wives were blk and he often spoke of him dating BW. He's was just a donkey's butt.

[@MsElizaRae]

Likes and views. Black men feed off negative energy lol

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

@@MsElizaRae no, we don't. Do you havw any facts or just gonna make things up?

[@MsElizaRae]

@@LuxeprivaeMedia Kevin Samuels success is proof of it. None of the female versions of KS (Yes they exist, we know who they are) haven't attracted mainstream attention! None!

[@Price8903]

The same women he claimed would die, out lived him. He should’ve put the focus on his own health. You made a living disparaging and being rude to black women, now ppl want these same women to mourn over his death. Weird logic

[@maddyG7414]

Another thing: KS and his supporters had zero emotional intelligence. They’re the ones who don’t understand people. They have no sense of those around them and they cannot put themselves in the shoes of another. With KS rarely holding men accountable for anything, I can’t really see his narrow, unintelligent and biased advice as anything other than a deep seated anger towards women, specifically black women as you’ve eloquently described.

[@butterflymage5623]

I’d argue the reason why it took someone like Levin Samuels to get some women started on a weight loss journey was his message of bettering yourself to achieve things you want, versus the media’s message of how you see you is how others see you.

[@InsertAliasHere1154]

KS’s rhetoric was so vile that it’s difficult to maintain any modicum of respect for him. I didn’t rejoice in his passing, but I am indifferent about it. His legacy is one of misogynoir, degradation, and sadism. The only good thing that came from his platform is that it highlighted the hatred some BM have toward BW for those who weren’t already aware.

[@sungexpression9093]

And so is the legacy of people misrepresenting Him Blk women say the same and worse about blk men 😂🙄

[@greenbyrd3665]

InsertAliasHere, well at least he won't be spewing his venom any more! His minions may try to keep the b s going, but he will never, ever utter one more word.

[@sungexpression9093]

@@greenbyrd3665 it’s not venom It’s the truth And him dying doesn’t change that

[@greenbyrd3665]

@@sungexpression9093 It absolutely was venomous and toxic. No truth anywhere. Believe what you want and I assure you, I will do the same.

[@sungexpression9093]

@@greenbyrd3665 no it was the truth Men care about looks It’s been shown in studies All of what he said is backed by research That doesn’t care about our feelings

[@nelixsulu6201]

I don't care WHO he critiqued before black women. It still doesn't justify his words & how he treated black women who called in on his shows... People don't understand the principle of things...

[@_LilacRoses]

I'm a woman from the UK who was a big fan of Kevin and felt hurt when he passed but you presented your thoughts and views very respectfully and with grace. Also, can I just say you're really beautiful.

[@SutanaMonae88]

This was so good and well timed my sis. Yes, I totally agree with u. I’m 33 and me and my daughters father would tune in on Mondays and watch Mr Samuels and although we’re not together we cld both agree that his message didn’t offer much hope or solutions for women. If it weren’t for Jesus I think many times I woulda left his platform feeling less than. Kevin really taught me u don’t just break ppl down, even constructively and not build them back up. Also I think his heart was broken. I wouldn’t know for sure but what I do know for certain is you can’t get both sweet and bitter water from the same fountain… and that’s gospel. Thank u for the video!

[@Carlyon100]

When you dont know where you come from but trying to assimilate and seek acceptance then you are in for a world of hurt and pain.

[@middlesys9180]

Never understood why having degrees is a bad thing. Like of all the actual bad things you can do and be... why is being educated offensive?

[@anhkhooo]

People who are smart and financially independent are probably harder to control. I guess this type of man would not like it.

[@keptbygrace6221]

According to Kevin, having degrees isn't the problem. He explained that other races of women are able to have degrees AND get married, but black women focus only on school and work. If you survey the women you work with of other races, they are mostly married, and mostly married to regular men not 6-figure earners. Some men (I believe an over-generalization) think BW go to school to prove they don't need a man, while other women go to school to network and look for a man. His point was we should do both/and not either/or.

[@middlesys9180]

@@keptbygrace6221 If that's the case then I agree. Degrees shouldn't be used as an excuse to exclude someone who earns less. Nor should it be the sole focus of your life to the extent that you ignore your personal life. I want both. A wise woman knows that money and degrees don't define you.

[@learningearning8385]

Most of the manosphere are losers with no degree or trades. Grocery store clerks, gas station attendants, fast food workers & are hurt that women have out earned them & out degreed them. Kevin understood that & catered to it. On the flip side, all the education typically brings Debt. It’s unfair for a husband to be responsible for all your school debt.

[@keptbygrace6221]

@Melissa Nicole That argument could work if BW in college were marrying the men of other races they meet in college. The problem is they are not marrying anybody. They could very well marry their options. The question, is what is stopping them?

[@fabulasityisme]

Omg I love the way you do your videos! The beginning had me so sad looking at that tik tok video!!! I was Mad af actually 😂😂 I feel better how it ended 😂😂

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@Sanabarabu]

.. so many men do not care about age! I married my (absolutely gorgeous and talented) husband when he was 25 and I was almost 40. So yeah.

[@cosmicbeauty5682]

I just saged myself and my home right before viewing this video and I just might have to do it again... The evil that is spewed from the mouths of these men is just ridiculous like who hurt y'all??? Seek therapy not a false idol/ destructive guru who is feeding off your anger, pain and insecurities in order to gain respect and popularity.

[@23andme77]

The point of his message was to lower bw self esteem. The point of his followers is to lower bw self esteem. I also feel it's toxic for bw to twist them selves to like and partner with men who obviously doesn't like them.

[@sabrinathefilmmaker6076]

I’m not afraid to say what most people won’t - I’m glad!!!! I’m happy he’s not making the content he was making anymore. Yes it’s sad he died but I won’t miss the stuff he was putting out which was hatred towards black women. He got his karma

[@mariah8400]

Thank you! This was a very well thought out video. Even if Kevin Samuels had valid points, I could never look past his delivery. It's not necessary to take down and degrade people in order to make them do better. I cannot accept any advise from a man who takes about women that way. And then to add to that, he wasn't even live what he preaches smh

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

how many intelligent men agree with you?

[@Kelema86]

Kevin Samuels intention was absolutely not to heal the black community and def not to heal or help black women. He was a grifter who knew he could tap into black men’s never ending enjoyment in seeing black women get denigrated. He was in the business of humiliating, denigrating and “humbling” black women for black men’s amusement. Period. Tough love and constructive criticism can be valid ways to help someone improve themselves. But that wasn’t what KS was doing. He straight up just told black women to “die alone”. Straight up told black women we are not desirable regardless of what we do because according to the golden ratio of beauty, which he considered to be a scientific and objective way to measure beauty, black women are the “opposite” of that. There is a video clip where KS says straight up that objectively and scientifically speaking black women are not beautiful. And seeing as beauty is the only value the manosphere sees in women, saying that black women are not beautiful is basically saying we have no value. So in his eyes we were worthless to begin with. Someone who sees you as worthless cannot and will not care about helping you heal or improve. I am not sorry or sad this grifter has left the earth life.

[@joyos413]

That why it really shocks me when I see people defending this man. Well I guess everyone is different because it’s so ridiculous

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

This!!!

[@cosmicdiamond2702]

Beautifully and logically stated!

[@bettemiddler7756]

The gag is that ALOT of BW and women in general are pulling out of dating. It's sadly not just BM with these ideals either. Then add the current issues with abortion access, you are about to see a whole lot more separation between the genders.

[@deesdees324]

Yes! Men don’t understand they’re creating their own downfall. They’re more single men than women now. I don’t understand what makes them think they don’t need us, but we need them. And look at the 60 year olds dying alone in nursing homes. Women will be fine, since sisterhood is growing. We as black women learned how to protect and love our own gender. Black men did not, they will have a very bleak future

[@doshpits]

@Marie Baker looks like she even took his european surname too lol smh

[@ktw70]

​@Marie Baker She is still a Black woman.

[@learningearning8385]

Does the original commenters race matter? I’m a black woman..but I was thinking the same. I’d rather not deal with the dating drama. I see men killing women they’re dating…every night on thr news. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze

[@doshpits]

@@learningearning8385 lol nobody cares about the OP's race, the point we are highlighting is her hypocrisy. her stating that separation of the genders is imminent but has what appears to be her white husband in her profile pic.

[@vibesthatheal]

IDC He was ignorant as hell and he had no remorse for the women he claimed to want to help. All he had was insults and clap backs, okay. I can get witty comebacks from my black momma. We don’t need men imitating women and trying to reach us. Okay we need men to get the boys in line and let the women handle the girls. It’s sooo annoying seeing everybody want to council ppl they don’t understand. Black men can only advise black men and how to move through life as men. Why try to step to women stop it! Women will never heal through a man telling her she ain’t ish. Please go tell your fellow men what they need to do. The best you can do as a black man is give a black women with good values and character a platform to try to reach the young women okay. Only women can truly see and understand what it’s like to be a woman like full stop with the men trying to lead the women’s healing movement. Like stop y’all not even healed from the father wound trying to council women!!

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

nah, accountability is like kryptonite for the delusional detractors...

[@NikkijBerryman]

You are a beautiful communicator. I am proud of your analysis, your truth and your journey. Keep expanding and taking the risks to dig deep, speak your truth and be authentically you. This is the first time I have had the pleasure of listening to you. It will not be the last. Peace and love.

[@falconeddie4109]

Personally, I agreed with so much of what Kevin said in his videos, he spoke the uncomfortable truth that some women didn’t want to hear, so they dismissed him. I recall he once had a very attractive young single black lady on his show, and by asking her just a series of personal questions, got to the heart of the matter of why she’s still single, and can’t find what she’s looking for. Kevin always advised ppl who are looking for a great relationship with a financially secure partner (who’s committed to his/her partner), need to step outside themselves, and do a through accounting pertaining to themselves first. Kevin says, “What do you bring to the table?” And that’s 100% correct. Moreover, Kevin made a great point that the average guy doesn’t want to start a relationship with a woman who’s got kids already. This applies to women too, as it’s not an attractive quality to start a relationship with someone who’s already experienced those ‘firsts’ (before the kids came along). Men especially, Kevin pointed out, sometimes just wants to come home after work and have wild sex, but if their gf has kids living with her, it all goes down the toilet, and that’s a problem. Listening to Kevin made me think of that old relationship book from the 90’s (The Rules). IMO, there are rules to be followed if we want the great , stable, secure, and wonderful partner in this life. We have to plan accordingly if we expect to get what we want.

[@jupiterscorner5423]

I somewhat can agree with this but K intentions are harsh.

[@tamirajohnellestyle]

I didn't like his character

[@tania_yt]

Your way of thinking is so mature and reflective of yourself and society... i love hearing your thoughts and opinions!

[@minnaTwo]

I'm happy he was as effective as he was because he revealed the black community's hidden side that, in the past, I always felt was there but couldn't quite see. Now it's loud and proud and clear so that I can move accordingly without any doubt.

[@KeelyB2318]

You hit the nail on the head. KS and Donald Trump have similar qualities. They are both able to expose the ugly truths of a person.

[@kayade5305]

All they exposed is their own deep seated narcissism. Anyone who buys what they're selling needs their heads checked.

[@sararichardson737]

Thank you! Exactly! My instincts told me so also

[@inhabitantofearth]

There are a lot of things that he said that I just did not see or experience in the real world. Like all of this “red pill” “manosphere” stuff seem to only exist on the internet. For example, I’ve rarely known or met any woman who looked down on “average” men or that only wanted a man who made six figures. The same goes for wanting a man to take care of her and paying all of the bill after pregnancy. Where I’m from, going back to work after having kids was the norm and what was to be expected. I bet if everyone won the lottery, they would choose not to work, or at least not somewhere they’re not passionate about. His intentions were very confusing to me. I agreed with him on some of the things he said. But, it’s like, if he was really trying to help the black community, he would have checked all of the men bashing BW in his comments/chat. His platform just seemed like a place for men to complain about women but not really fix the issue. And now this whole women vs men thing is like a trend. It’s annoying. I’m tired of hearing women and men complain about each other (specifically us, black people), or telling people what the other group wants. I find a lot of the time that these ideals don’t apply to me, and I wouldn’t want anyone assuming that they do or having any reservations about me in their heads jus because of what they’ve heard in these spaces.

[@mewhenilie6848]

yeah same here , it’s like u can’t even really defend yourself because you’re a female & they’ll tell u want they think u want in a man or what u should be doing & what your purpose is. it’s actually crazy to me because i personally have never been into “pookys or ray rays” always liked alternative men. & since women are getting they’re own money where did he get that every woman wants a “high value man” or a 6 figure man. these generalizations or absurd & very harmful to put on random women.

[@cedrimar]

Agreed. I think the "high value man" concept and the notion of women not wanting to work or pay bills was driven by the show itself.

[@ashdacraft]

@@mewhenilie6848 I also am alt and used to dating alt/blerd men . I met a BM recently who started off saying he was red pill was so determined to put me in that “single mother who dated thugs and only wants money city girls fan” category. He was so ready to tell me about the “nature of women” all for him to try to back peddle after realizing I wasn’t even close to that stereotype and that we actually had a lot in common 😑but too late let me go find a thug I guess

[@cerisecitron2451]

now i never understood what was wrong with speaking ill of the dead ... death doesn't absolve anyone!

[@10NYFO]

💯

[@a.b.2405]

It’s not like they’re going to come back.

[@michellemcgee3534]

Kevin Samuels was a leader of a generation of black men that hate women. His sole accomplishment was to capitalize on a misogynistic message. It’s sad so many men bought into what he was saying and that the black women who called into his show yearned for his validation.

[@Meng776]

This is crazy wrong. He tells average black women to choose and build with a regular man because you're regular too. This regular man who has built structure and rules in his life will adore you. But you'd rather chase dreams and look down on regular men which is your right. For that reason, regular black men can start looking down on you. You obviously have no appreciation for how toxic black women are to black men and they should be able to talk about it too.

[@michellemcgee3534]

@@Meng776 Kevin Samuels advice to women is that they be fit, feminine, and friendly. Many of the women that called into his show perfectly fit that description. Some of them even had 6-figure incomes. But not even those women, in Kevin’s eyes, were good enough for a high value man. Of every single show I watched, not once did he tell a woman that she deserved a HVM. Granted, some of the women that called in didn’t meet the criteria, but they also didn’t deserve to be disparaged by KS.

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@Meng776]

@@michellemcgee3534 Men in general don't care about a woman's money. The woman that works at McDonald's has as many options as the woman doctor. You have to understand that men have different values than women. I care far more about you nurturing and smiling than I do about your money. Watching my woman nurture my kids motivates me more than watching her make money...it helps me create balance in my life. Secondly, nobody deserves a high value man....you get what you can attract. Again, Kevin was NOT rooting for hvm. He talked about hvm because that's what the women want. But his point was that hvm have really high standards that most women don't come close to meeting. These ladies were regular so they should stop acting like a regular man is settling.

[@michellemcgee3534]

@@Meng776Contrary to your statement, if a woman can attract a high value man, she does qualify for one. And second, Kevin Samuels’ major focus was to disparage black women, even the ones that fit his description of desirable ones-fit, feminine, and friendly. He never criticized men and in that regard, he indeed was rooting for them, no matter how mediocre they were. By the way, in this country, black men are the least educated, the least employed, and the most divorced. Why should any woman settle for that?

[@tamirajohnellestyle]

It's sad the way some of those Black males responded to that young lady's TikTok.. They don't realize they're a pawn in a slave owners game.. (The slave owners from years ago who wanted to create division in the Black community.) Now it's a choice, but they don't realize it.

[@tbcreloaded7529]

BW do the same thing, there's even a trend on tiktok where they call BM bulletbags, yet I don't see BW talking about how that's wrong

[@scarletlady3727]

Girls…..get your degrees, take care of your health, make your money, take care of your family and enjoy time with friends……if a man comes in to partner with you, that’s fine , if they don’t, that’s fine too….it’s YOUR LIFE!!…live a beautiful full life on your own terms..a man is just a visiting guest in your journey..

[@kemmy524]

I’ve learned so much from Kevin, I miss him dearly ♥️

[@Deniseeee84]

😂

[@shereaseoguin3740]

Ditto sis!

[@dawnssound]

His message kept "adjusting" depending on what made him money. Once I caught on that his message was ever shifting I understood it wasn't about the "community " but his pockets. No different than so many others. I think of it in terms of shifting sand. Nobody can build anything of value on shifting sand, hence all this grand standing is just a show of hurt people hurting others. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. Time will tell the truth.

[@sungexpression9093]

How exactly did it shift though?

[@yourmotherhatesyou641]

@@sungexpression9093 When he spoke with DJ Vlad, he wouldn't stick by his own words. He also regurgitated some of BWE talking points when speaking to Joe Budden. He never lived by, or stood by any of his own words.

[@sungexpression9093]

@@yourmotherhatesyou641 which words specifically

[@AboveRubiesTV]

Right! On one of his lives, he told women that men don’t care about romantics-they do it for the sake of women. If the men could, they would skip straight to seggs. He said that if women don’t give it up within the first few dates, another woman will. Then, in another live, he told a woman that she’s not married because she can’t keep her legs closed. Which one is it? I think he used a lot of scarcity chat to create confusion-whether he intended to or not.

[@sungexpression9093]

@@AboveRubiesTV it depends on context

[@changes649]

Those who supported him tells a lot about themselves.

[@LuxeprivaeMedia]

Yes, it shows some of us value facts, family, data, and statistics. If you prefer bafoonery by all means.

[@johncapo2843]

# LEFT OVERS WOMEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXOwlKKAjNRsaLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ7al4GaiseXasU kzbin.info/www/bejne/ap6mh4ZoZcydlZo kzbin.info/www/bejne/pISolnqbacmEpNU

[@kayade5305]

@@LuxeprivaeMedia You value a man who said ignore SA towards vulnerable, underaged Black girls and advocates physical violence...no wonder the Black community is in shambles.

[@dkt4377]

Over 70% of his viewership were women, probably, mostly blk women.

[@camilove4323]

KS is an another example of proof in action that many black men will do anything for money and fame. As bw we are expendable....and if they have to date outside of other races to get there they will. No one screams louder to the bw "you don't matter" than the bm who subscribes to the teachings of KS. Remember that song "what people do for money?" As women we work on our career to survive and not have to struggle, but men exist on a level of power and ego that we just cannot fathom. And they will carry behind themselves a long line of trauma and abandonment to get to that point. Until, we really understand that part you will have a hard time understanding why men make the decisions they make. We work on emotions, and energy, and love. They chase power. Right now the white man holds that power and if they have to deny their own mothers and existence to get there they will do so. Now, I'm now saying that's every black man but I'm telling you it's a lot of them. Pay attention to the decisions they make and ask yourself why? It's gonna come down to power or money.

[@dkt4377]

If chasing money was his chief reason for his channel, Kevin would have taken the safer route of telling blk women what they wanted to hear. He spoke hard truths in blunt ways. Btw.... nearly 75% of his viewership was women, mostly blk women. He most have been resonating with them.

[@jodine90]

A great follow up video to this, if anyone is interested, is the Manosphere videos recently done by F.D. Signifier on KZbin. He's a social/media commentator who is brilliant, funny, and produces some of the best content I've seen on KZbin. For anyone wanting an anti KS lol, he talks about alot of issues that pertain to Black folks in particular, but he always places them in such great context to the world at large. I also recommend his 'Drake is Anakin Skywalker ' and 'White Liberal Edge Lords' videos, they are soooo good.

[@alleyinn1]

I love his page!

[@paulachinn6306]

This is coming from a Black woman who got married at 38 and have been married 22 yrs.Don't believe this crap because God gives you value and not any Man!! You are not a throw away. Black, Insecure, men who have rejected themselves and their community are no loss to Black women.. Expand your horizons ladies.

[@dkt4377]

I'm happy you got married at 38yrs old, but statistically speaking, that is not an optimal age for the vast majority of women. Post 35yrs, a womans chances of marriage cut in half and decreases dramatically after age 40.

[@ohawk82]

I’m happy to say that I’m a Black woman who knew NOTHING about KS until his death. 🤷🏽‍♀️RIP

[@talisha5863]

Thank you for every second of this video Steph👏🏽I hate to admit this but I think self hate within the black community perpetuates this overt acceptance and desire to profess vitriol to each other, especially black men towards black women. The colorism that is embedded in the average black person’s psyche exceeds reason and everything significant about our existence is ultimately based on complexion, hair type and facial features. Being brutally honest to a black woman and making her out to be a buffoon to the entire world is NOT helpful! And anyone who thinks his criticism was positive is either from a very low income area that doesn’t know any better or someone who is gaslighting themselves🤷🏽‍♀

[@Century-sb3ql]

I just had to look up right now that he is dead. As a black woman, I pat myself on the back that I was nt aware of ths mans passing because it means i had succesfully removed myself from his echochamber. No disrespect, just self-preservation

[@glamazini]

His message was simplistic and I never understood the draw.

[@MissRayneNerdiiChicK]

Okay, I can't ignore the dark comedy/irony of the title of the video being the same as a movie about a sociopathic teen (who shares the same name of the person being mentioned in this video) who m*rdered his sister and father, then fellow students who he trapped in a gymnasium. I know you had no idea of the movie, but I can't not comment on the irony that a video about a man with sinister intent, connected to a very sinister movie.

[@InsertAliasHere1154]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@niax782]

I didn’t even catch that! Thanks 🤯

[@RBel-bh7vp]

I immediately connected it to the movie, I just assumed it was a reference lol

[@rachelfrombefore]

Yesss i cackled at the title 🤭

[@EshaBby444]

I had the same thought when I saw this title! That movie disturbed tf outta me too

[@ricardobelmont5984]

I kinda took a look at the whole manosphere and the big fish in the pond some years ago. Negativity sales more than the positive videos one creator said. Some dudes who've broken away say they always felt so angry listening to the advice. I feel we experience different things from different people. Viewing both sides men and women lately everyone's trying to put each other in a box. Humans are unpredictable the world is a whole different place off social media.