WE NEED TO TALK About 'Return to Tradition' Twitter Accounts (It's giving me Far-Right Vibes)

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Return to tradition from guys who have no clue about history, they just like a vague aesthetic that they think will cure their insecurities, but has nothing to do with historical reality or will solve their problems.

[@symbiotesam3562]

So true. I don’t think it runs through their brains that there are reasons why society changed over time.

[@Onoesmahpie]

It is an aesthetic entirely, they have this romanticized view of medieval times they've acquired through video games and fantasy movies, they have no idea how horrendous day to day life was for everybody except the ruling government class.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@Onoesmahpie It wasn`t as horrendous as people make it out to be. It wasn`t easy, sure, but i am pretty sure being the undertaker back then was not a question of "Lets see who died today." Most people managed to get by perfectly fine.

[@86thrasher]

I hate to sound smug but when it comes to understanding history, people on the far-right can only talk about tanks,planes,weapons, and quotes said by Julius Caesar or George S. Patton but when it comes to the political, ideological and societal aspect of history they’re generally lacking in that department. Their view of history is basically pseudo-history that is centered around romanticizing military generals and worshipping an era that didn’t even exist which is “life was so much better back then!”.

[@whimsicalstray]

​@@86thrasherthat's because they can't understand complex social problems. That's why they're far right.

[@britbongtankie]

The Greek statue pictures perfectly sum up their ideology. They uphold a philosophy that originated in the 16th century while claiming that it's ancient. The white marble statues are also based on what people in the Renaissance *thought* ancient statues looked like. In reality, ancient Greek statues and buildings were painted in bright colours.

[@ishketchup2794]

And they were gay

[@komoriaimi]

Their Greek statues that were not even white like that but originally painted on. It's all a delusion.

[@Joebob1119]

​@@komoriaimi Greco-romans weren't gay in the sense you think they are, they were pedos who had s*x with teenage males.

[@azazel166]

Greek here, they're not even Greek statues, they're Rennaisance statues.

[@Torgan454]

Renaissance here, I can confirm I invented this

[@liul]

You know what's traditional? Not using Twitter, and yet they can't stop using it

[@LukeTansiongco]

Makes it moreso ironic for them since they hate Twitter with a passion

[@falconeshield]

Curious

[@nerag7459]

nothing more traditional than working on the twitter farm

[@puppyloveshow]

Sharing the propaganda is more important to them than actually doing anything they say.

[@kannix386]

you criticize society, yet you live in it? curious

[@myrmepropagandist]

I think a genie should grant the wish of every "Return to Tradition" guy posting on the internet, and they should all awake tomorrow in the time-period of their choice, in the nation or city they romanticize most from the past. --as a servant, woman, or indentured laborer.

[@blacky_Ninja]

I second that

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

They'll be crying and wanting to go back to the present in no time, I can tell you.

[@cardboardking577]

Not even as the first 2 Just being the average person will be enough

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Too bad we can't sic a bunch of weeping angels on them.

[@maxhatush5918]

Women has it made

[@wrexvincent]

Dude thinks he can just piss away half the day on a farm and 'play with animals' for an hour in the hottest part of the day in Southern Italy. Farming is hard work, anything agricultural is sun up to down WORK. Why do they have dairy cows when they keep their wife for milk? Nome of that schedule makes any freaking sense. Then again that is the mindset of every Urban-raised 'TradCath' online today

[@Colddirector]

I mean you can't expect more from far right people, it's not like they actually care about reality.

[@falconeshield]

Dude thinks Stardew Valley is RL farming sim

[@stephennootens916]

I know nothing about farms but I am pretty sure you have to milk the cows first thing in the morning, than you have to feed them and the other animals. I think you also have to check to see if the chickens laid eggs. I saw an whole short from the fifties about how you have to make sure they are carrying their weight or you have to eat them. Of course the whole family works together on the farm to get all the shit done I think.

[@user-ko8pu5wu4l]

Tuscany is in northern Italy

[@nadtim]

well that's why he had kids, nowhere did he say that he took the children to school or homeschool them at all after all hh

[@TrueYellowDart]

Traditional day for most of us: - Wake up - Engage in back-breaking labor for the majority of the day - have a scant few hours of “personal time” before collapsing into bed to do it all over again

[@ninjadolphin01]

I know a lot of people who do that right now

[@TrueYellowDart]

@@ninjadolphin01 Correct indeed.

[@zefft.f4010]

Yeah, now remove the personal time. That's the pre-modern schedule.

[@Colddirector]

Nah these people think they'd be the like 1% of the elites who'd spend most their days fucking around and getting their slaves to do most their work for them.

[@TryinaD]

@@zefft.f4010 that’s not true, medieval times had more holidays and outside of harvest season people had a lot of down time in many societies. That’s how pyramids were built, they hired a lot of craftsmen on the off-season.

[@britbongtankie]

I've seen three-way fights break out between Christian fascists, Nordic pagan fascists and Greco-Roman pagan fascists, it's fucking hilarious

[@NyxyPixie]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[@1MarkKeller]

I've always said that White supremacist hate themselves the most, but they can't admit it, so they focus on hating everyone and everything else instead.

[@damien678]

As a leftie pagan I especially love to see it. All my enemies fighting is very mwuh👌

[@8eight104]

A vortex of obnoxious idiocy

[@orkleth]

So is this what staring into the abyss looks like?

[@markharrison6498]

As a dairy farmer that was raised on a sheep farm I was confused by the amount of leisure time the first commenter thinks farmers have. Dad used to get up at 3:30am and work till 7pm for much of the year. Certainly no time to stop and eat breast milk ice cream for an hour or “play with animals” whatever that means. Besides, the species used in agriculture are generally prey animals, the best thing you can do for their welfare in most cases is to handle them as little as possible. Clearly a person who has never worked in a rural area. Or a child

[@Colddirector]

You mean you don't get by on two hours of "deep work"? Boy it's almost like farming is actually really fucking hard or something.

[@markharrison6498]

@@Colddirector hahaha exactly. The romanticism is insane. Not to even get into the mental strain of seeing animals suffer due to illness, lameness, parasitism and natural disasters such as bushfire and drought.

[@Colddirector]

@@markharrison6498 I always figured that farmers kinda just grew numb to that eventually, but then again I've only ever owned chickens and it still always hurt to watch them get old and sick enough you have to put them down. I went out of my way to avoid giving them names but their personalities end up just growing on you anyway.

[@markharrison6498]

@@Colddirector I think some do but I don’t think everyone can, particularly when something senseless and avoidable happens or an event that’s massive and unusually horrific. For example, i remember my dad crying when foot-and-mouth disease went through one of our herds and he spent all day putting animals. My dad’s uncles were incredibly cruel and incompetent. We had 1000 cattle in addition to 20,000 sheep. I remember on one occasion uncle cliff found a cow with a compound fracture in its leg and attempted to kill it by shooting it. Later in the day dad went to the cow to dispose of it and it was still alive. The hardest things for me are stuff like having to put down male calves because there’s no market for them, losing a calf at birth due to drowning, I’ve had careless people i work with run over the hooves of cows and completely destroying them by removing the pedal bones, had a crush malfunction one day and a calving cow got stuck in it causing cardiac arrest. All that stuff accumulates in my experience. I think most farmers care for their animals and I personally think it’s practically impossible to totally numb yourself to their suffering unless there’s something a little wrong with you.

[@neoqwerty]

@@markharrison6498 I'll just drop by and wish you the least amount of misfortune (because none at all is impossible, so just small inconveniences and not much of them is generally what I wish for people) for your farm, for both your animals' sake and yours.

[@gurusmurf5921]

I like that they put up a picture of a flapper in their appeal to tradition. In the 1920's flappers were considered scandalous and decadent.

[@tatiana4050]

Also that expert from a newspaper from 1800s where dude complains men are too feminine these days.

[@SeasideDetective2]

They're definitely classy, though. They're much more appealing than the "hippie chicks" of the '60s, despite the superficial similarities.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

@SeasideDetective2 One must be dead inside if he or she is completely immune to the beguiling charms, and the authentic natural beauty, of said "hippy chicks". Even when carefully curated as artifice, more as an aesthetic than lifestyle (à la Stevie Nicks) it still seems to hold a universal charm for many of us, especially those of us on the left. A kind word of advice: it's rather QUITE dreadful to use the adjective "classy". The appeal of women shouldn't have anything to do with class, really. Chew on that awhile.

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@edwardkantowicz4707 All right. How about "aesthetically appealing" instead? (I've never been much for "natural beauty." If I wanted things to be natural, I'd live in a cave.)

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

@@SeasideDetective2 Ha! Thanks for your reply. Some splendid hippie chicks have it down: simple long hair, good clean complexion, with a bit of natural-looking make up. It's fine to describe people, or women as classic, timeless, elegant, tasteful, etc. yet "classy" sticks wrong every time tor me. I can think of so many better adjectives: chic, stylish; you get the picture. Take it from an old bloke... it's coming from a good place.

[@chriscortez2036]

I’m honestly sus of people who say “reject modernity, embrace tradition!”, mainly because of the realization that things like civil rights, women’s rights, democracy, etc. ARE MODERNITY. They’re fairly recent developments, and many of these people simping for the “good ol’ days” usually aren’t fond of those developments.

[@KomradeKrusher]

Those are indeed exactly the things they reject.

[@Joebob1119]

All the things you mentioned are all a scam

[@j0j0dartiste21]

​@@Joebob1119 why?

[@helgahaa]

don't forget vaccines !

[@Joebob1119]

​@@j0j0dartiste21 Democracy is fake. Women were statically happier back then(one could argue women's rights are a result of late stage capitalism) Black people had safer communities back in the Jim crow laws era, even MLK admitted he regretted everything shortly before being assassinated.

[@pedroportillo1585]

There is a professor at the University of Indiana that told me “Fathers are preparing their sons for a world that no longer exists.” Truer words were never spoken.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

In my case it would be more like "preparing for a world they fear to return." My parents were there when the Soviet Union collapsed and my father is still traumatised by what he described "living in a completely lawless state". Now with the Ukraine War he fears a WW3 scenario and a following economical collapse (which is highly unlikely considering we live in Germany now), despite everything pointing to it being more a second cold war if anything.....

[@howwitty]

I thought that these accounts were run by foreign intelligence agencies like the Mossad. Are fathers actually telling this stuff to their sons? I wouldn't know, I was denied access to my son in family court because I was unemployed and didn't own a house when I was 19.

[@smith2354]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 I heard the economy in Germany is doing pretty horribly right now though? With the looming threat of widespread housing crash here in the US, I'd imagine the entire world is going to have some kind of economical collapse no?

[@GeteMachine]

A world they've never lived it as well. A lot of them just like the idea of an all white society with no leftism, no queer people, women just there to be ornamental, no wokeness, no gays, one where all white men were at the top of it making all the rules and them thinking they would all be equal by male status and everyone was super intelligent beyond modern comprehension. Thats what they think Rome was.

[@SeasideDetective2]

It's strange that these men - along with a few women, I suppose - are nostalgic for a world that neither they nor even their oldest relatives can remember. The world has been "modern" for a very long time, even in academia. Studies of Latin and ancient Greek, for example, have been in gradual decline since the late 19th century.

[@ab-wx3or]

Medieval peasants? Not paying rent? Their entire life revolved around paying rent, that's what serfdom is about lol.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

That varies a shitload with time and place and the particular agreement. Serfs had a feudal agreement that spelled out their duties, which really weren't rent. It was often rather light, except for harvest time. Actual peasants were free and paid rent for their land, sometimes to the lord, but sometimes to other peasants. History is big and messy.

[@marocat4749]

​​@@ernststravoblofeldThere were enough free time and holidays, they had a siesta break that was pretty long between the "from dust till down" And they had the whole festivitoes free too and , People worked way less that people assume. Not that farmer wouldnt work enough but it was better than now. Also can you imagine a loong siesta time inbetween. They did have plenty parties as well.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@ernststravoblofeld- "free" Even non-serf peasants had to ask their lord's permission to leave their lands... Pretty rose-tinted glasses you see through, dude

[@ernststravoblofeld]

@Daniel Crafter Once again, it varies from place to place. And often there was a small fine for breaking these rules that peasants paid as a minor cost of doing business.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

@Maro Cat I know I keep saying this, but it varies. In catholic area, there were often enough saints days to cover half the year with days off. Other places, there weren't all that many holidays. And in most places, most of the work peasants did was on their own land. In England, about 60% of manoral land was tied up in peasant and serf personal land. The work was seasonal in all cases, much like agriculture today. At planting and harvest, people worked their asses off, and the rest of the year, they had a lot of time to themselves. Peasant side-hustles led to the middle class. Most peasants had more control of their day-to-day lives than we do.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I live in a textile town, that has been one since before the 1400s and that industry was the men, women and children all working together. Yet peterson has this bizarre a-historical idea women only entered the workforce very recently, he thinks the nuclear family was something everyone lived in and that existed back to the dawn of man.

[@willmosse3684]

Yeah. A lot of that is a class thing. Upper class women did not work, and did have to stay in the home. But for poor people, which was 90% of the population or more, everyone who could, worked. But when people like this envision the traditional past, the conflate these elite values with the whole society, whilst fetishising the idea of peasant life, where in reality this would have been a life of grinding toil, malnutrition, semi-slavery to the local lord, and a grave at age 32.

[@Joebob1119]

Pro child labor much?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@willmosse3684 and even then women worked in a certain way they had to organise households, would sometimes be in charge of book keeping and very importantly be a sort of diplomat for the interest of the family for example in business deals etc.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@Joebob1119 over 100 years ago they were

[@orionnebula1136]

Because historically women's work has never been viewed as 'real' work.

[@clorox1676]

"Ideal day", but WIFE POV: 5am: Wake up, take shower, consider running away with the children. 6am: Prepare breakfast for husand and 5 kids. Wonder about how my life could be if I went to Uni instead of getting married. 8-11am: Dishes, laundry, cleaning house. I still don't know what the f 'deep work' even means, he's just browsing reddit for 3 hours. 11-12: Picking up all the dirty clothes husband left on the floor after workout, prepare lunch. 1pm-3pm: Doing dishes again, cleaning the kitchen, pumping breast milk for ice cream. 3pm-4pm: Watching my husband eat breast milk ice cream while wondering how one gets divorced in Italy. 4pm-5pm: Home schooling the children. 6pm-7pm: Prepare dinner. Doing dishes again. cleaning kitchen..again. 7-pm-7.05pm: I just lay on the bed and let him do his thing. Worst 5 minutes of the day. He smells...did he even take a shower after working out this morning? 7.05pm-8pm: Wondering how long until I hate him more than I want my children to have a father. 8pm-9pm. Did I left the iron plugged? 9p: Pass out, exhausted.

[@leadleader2023]

Just read the opening first few lines "wake up, take shower, consider the possibility of running away" and I almost had to spit the water I was drinking on top of the keyboards of the computer LMAO that was funny as shit.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

@P T And inhale secondhand smoke while carrying twins.

[@maya07_11]

:(

[@clorox1676]

@P T I forgot a lot of things, like he obviously is not taking out the trash either as it would ruin his 'ideal day'.

[@Eibarwoman]

@P T Steven Crowder wouldn't move to Italy, the grift requires living on Texas state income taxes.

[@01Aigul]

I think these folks imagine that they would be the lords of Medieval Europe or the ruling class of the Roman Empire. They never imagine that most people would be serfs and slaves. Not that life was necessarily great for the rulers either.

[@arcanineryu]

None of them ever think about being covered in lice and full of internal parasites.

[@tetri90]

Yeah the idea that a medieval peasant paid no rent really cracked me up. You know the people who, by definition, did not own their land. Exactly how they paid their rent depends on the place and time, but on top of direct fixed payement a share of their production and required days of unpaid work on their landowner's farm were very common.

[@ambatuBUHSURK]

Here's the Black Death update (200M bugs fixed)!!

[@marocat4749]

​​@@tetri90hrough the working times and free days are better than now often. Like peasents, did not work from dawn till dust, at all. And all the festivals and holidays and fre days. Not that it was pèfect, but good to know that evwn peasents had plenty free time and less stress. And i know farming always does include a lot of labour how long it takesto get something done, which is technically overwork, but still

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

It’s the “not me” disease that Americans who can’t see pass the American exceptionalism propaganda

[@notrod5341]

Wait why do they fetishise Elon Musk so much, I know he panders to them, but the dude is the personification of empty, atomised futurism. If anyone is going to make them "live in the pod and eat bugs" it's gonna be him

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Umberto Eco wrote that fascism at its very core is not only syncretic, but also required to tolerate contradictions.

[@1MarkKeller]

Elon whispers in their ears, "Go to Mars and build Gothic cathedrals, Roman temples, and Art Deco homes."

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@1MarkKeller isn't that the plot of warhammer 40k?

[@Eibarwoman]

@@thejuiceking2219 Yes, and then Sisters of Battle.

[@matthewpage8313]

What you have to remember there's a very strong American Libertarian/Feudalist streak running through a lot of these "Return to Tradition" promoters. THEY don't necessarily want to "Return to Tradition" (e.g. give up all the advancements and creature comforts they've grown accustomed to.) They want EVERYONE ELSE to "Return to Tradition" because they think if that happens they can step themselves up as rulers of their own little domains. Beholden to no one but themselves and able to crap on anyone under them with impunity. Musk, in many ways, embodies that idea. He's achieved a level of wealth and influence where he can, realistically, do pretty much whatever he pleases and not face any real legal or social consequences for it. Hell, even his pie in the sky push to colonize mars has shades of him using it to build his "perfect" society where he and he alone would be in charge. Which, to his followers, would be the ultimate power fantasy and "freedom." Basically, it's the classic conservative hierarchal mindset where if you can't be on top, you should at least do everything you can to avoid being on the bottom. Musk ruling as a techno futurist god king is fine to them. So long as they can have someone lower on the totem pole to kick down on themselves.

[@jtrain9926]

The tradition of dying when you're 45 from a heart attack because you ate and drank and smoked and handled stress in a traditional way. No thanks.

[@KomradeKrusher]

Well, let THEM do it, at least.

[@Nilmand]

These people literally watched an historically inaccurate movie and want to live in it

[@dangerousdays2052]

Well, the life expectancy in America is nosediving, so that's where things are headed.

[@tatiana4050]

Or because your wife hated you and her only chance of independence was to get hold of your money after your death, so she made extra special dinner for you.

[@titandarknight2698]

@@dangerousdays2052 ya no. People are going to continue to live longer and longer. This whole fear of americans becoming obese and dying is unnecessary/overdone.

[@EZOnTheEyes]

I saw a christian traditionalist and a pagan tradionalist go at it with eachother on twitter the other day, felt like I was watching a shit throwing debate as Rome converted to Christianity circa 4th century

[@Colddirector]

I find it funny watching Christian antisemites squirm and cope whenever it's brought up they're following a Jewish religion with a god that considers the Jews his people and their savior is a Jew.

[@ronoc9]

Well don't leave us in suspense; who won?

[@EZOnTheEyes]

@@ronoc9 they're traditionalists, theres no winners. All seriousness, I clocked out when the christian started being homophobic and the pagan started being antisemetic

[@neoqwerty]

@@EZOnTheEyes Imagine if they both thought the other was the bigoted one and the shit flinging degenerated further into speaking tongues and... IDK, what's a thing that pagan fundies do, threaten to burn a church? or is that just Dutch black metal fans in the 90's?

[@RedgraveGilver]

@@ronoc9 who cares who won lol they're both fascist losers.

[@hustle_simmons]

Man we all know his love making to his wife is realistically 7: 00 to 7:01 pm. No one who's going an hour is posting "Return to Tradition" tweets.

[@blacky_Ninja]

you can also scratch the ‚love‘, he‘s just doing her, i doubt that women will ever see any love or even just be introduced to the concept of a female orgasm in her life.

[@missinterpretation4984]

And if she’s producing enough breast milk for ice cream, she just had a baby and is not in the mood.

[@Colddirector]

Honestly if Marcus Aurelius were alive to see that Carnivore Aurelius account, he'd probably burn all of his writings out of sheer embarrassment.

[@Katie2986]

Lmfaoooo

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@@Colddirector 😂 good one. When I mentioned Marcus Aurelius a few years ago, I was called a nerd. Now they believe he's some ancient ultimate 'Gym bro ' .

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

It's giving far right vibes because it is far right. So far right it's not even on the political compass chart. I'm glad these folks are finally getting attention from people besides me.

[@chriscortez2036]

It’s the same with some history/alt-history KZbin channels. Most notoriously MonsieurZ & Whatifalthist. Their vids have tons of red flags, especially when you start digging into their comment sections & sources.

[@Durrutitv]

Ok sure but you've got to admit that the heliocentric agenda has gotten out of control

[@Joebob1119]

This is left wing

[@KomradeKrusher]

@@chriscortez2036 I'm very interested in many periods of history and have been following quite some of those YT channels. Some are really, really good, but with others, they put out a lot of very interesting and well researched content to then suddenly have videos on "why historical group X was white" or "why there where no black people in historic empie Y" or shit like that.

[@orionnebula1136]

I think we must be subscribed to the same people, I see your comments everywhere!

[@Durrutitv]

Maybe Im way out of pocket but I would assume that the first step one would take toward leading a more traditional life would be getting the fuck off social media.

[@tetri90]

Yeah, there are a lot of people who gravitate toward the get out of cities / out of modern life, and that's basically the set up for the degrowth movement, but by essence you don't find many of them doing propagande on twitter. But the "traditionalist" guys are grifters who are only using the aesthetics of "going back to a simpler life" to push back against social progress. They have no interest in what an autonome lifestyle actually looks like (you can see that from the first tweet in the video, where the guy has obviously no idea what a day in a farm is)

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

You know what the fun thing is? As a misanthrope i actually put the thought into what i would need to be able to do by myself to live as a hermit. It is quite a humbling experience and makes you appreciate civilization.

[@1MarkKeller]

Exactly, they aren't really serious about anything they claim to be about.

[@missinterpretation4984]

Facts!!! 👏

[@Colddirector]

Yeah but then they can't profit from their grift. It's honestly funny how profoundly modernistic these accounts are when you think about it.

[@Tareltonlives]

"Return to Greek values!" Like men in skirts, open bisexuality, direct democracy, skepticism of religion, and intercultural exchang! OH you mean just the misogyny and slavery gotcha.

[@darcyroyce]

​@@alphana7055exactly.

[@marocat4749]

Yeah greeks did bottom shame and sexist, but pretty gay. Bring back skirts and dresses for dude as accepted norm. Oh the welsh viking had a good vide and the gist, from what is not from the catholic church, aprearwntly therecwas bottom shaming to a degree too. Thats all we know. Few else mentioned. Oh and i reccomand ocean keltois video how a story seems pretty implicit aboit it being a gay drama with one becoming a draug.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Skepticism of religion in Ancient Greece? I mean, yes, it did exist, but those people tended to be killed if they said "Your religion is dumb," to someone.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917- but questioning the faith and the clergy's power was *encouraged* - that's why there were mystery cults - some of them quite open about being a mystery cult

[@Tareltonlives]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Socrates got killed but he wasn't alone.

[@marcananmh]

Im 30 seconds in and as someone that was born and raised on a farm actually having to do these things, the person in that first tweet has never done farm work or even has a clue about what it entails. You do not get to have a nicely organized set schedule when you are subsistence farming. Animals arent co workers, they dont simply do as you say and they definitely do not understand that their actions can cause problems for you. You can have ranges of time where you hope to get certain things done, but unless you have the luxury of making enough money to have loads of equipment on standby at any given time there will be wrenches thrown into your plans constantly. This type of weirdo larping by people that have never spent a second doing work of this kind is really annoying

[@helgahaa]

whoever wrote that is a child or troll, right? I thought the point of modernity is we don't have to work 24/7 on a farm!

[@marcananmh]

​@@helgahaa if he swapped lives with me he'd regret it in a couple of weeks. You don't really have a life when you live this way, even less than your average person in a capitalist system. You don't get a real day off because you can't turn a cow or a chicken off and skip the work for a day. Animals must be fed every day, crops must be attended to every day, even just a day or two of not being on top of them can lead to you losing your entire lively hood. You didn't milk the cow for a day or two? Well their utter is heavily infected now because the milk spoiled inside of them so at best you have to give them medication and avoid milking them for a couple of week or your milk cow no longer has a working utter. You didn't check on your chickens for a day? Well a predator found a way inside your coop and ate them so now you don't have any chickens. You didn't check on your crops for a couple day? Well it's 95 degrees out and hasn't rained so they dried up and fried in the heat, good job all that work to grow them at the right time of the year is in the trash. Farming is not and never has been easy and to glorify it as such without ever doing it is gross. Sure it can be fulfilling in a lot of ways but it can also suck the life out of you

[@damien678]

I was born on farmland and lived next to a farm. I didn't work on it (unfortunately moved when I was a kid) but I absolutely know that the maker of that tweet has nooooo fucking idea what he's talking about. I love researching this stuff and watching actual farmers that upload clips online The one that really got me was an hour workout in between farm work. Like, mate. Gyms are new. You do not need to go to the gym or even workout at home as a proper farmer. I can't stand doing exercise just for the sake of it and one of my first thoughts, if I wanted a job that'll make me stronger and stay fit, was to become a bloody farmhand. I'm just gonna bike as often as possible (for now) but it's not out of the realm of possibility for me. It just... Really shows his genuine ignorance

[@marcananmh]

@@damien678 oh 100% percent. Sure you might not look as super jacked as a lot of gym bros but farm work can be very physically intensive and help you build functional strength. Not all farm work has to be a pain in the bum either, but usually that really just the case if you've got a good amount of land and some nice equipment. That takes money though so unless you inherit it, or work your butt off for years saving up money for it, most people won't have that

[@alexanderball6326]

​@@damien678the one that made me laugh was giving an hour to make love to his wife... like he doesnt pop after 3 minutes lol

[@panqueque445]

Ah yes, a return to tradition. A very specific and narrow tradition from a very specific and narrow time in history, which changes from person to person, and also it might've never existed in the form they like.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

It probably never existed. The zeitgeist 🕰👻 is too different for their ideas to even work in the modern world (especially with its massive population). Though, you can certainly be inspired by it to make similar ideas that work, but are updated. That is probably a good thing.

[@_letstartariot]

It kinda makes me feel sick that they want us women to be in a completely submissive role, with no bodily autonomy, when marital rape is all dandy, where they get to pretend that women don’t have wants, needs and dreams of their own. Only wanting motherhood is not something I would ever want. I have 2 children, but there are many other things that I want in my life too. I love my career and my hobbies too. I am happy because I have a partner who sees me as an equal and treats me with respect and loyalty. Returning to this times will never happen, because the more and more women around the world who are liberated from the practices of the cruel past, the most distant in the past ‘trad life’ will become. They’re openly fantasising about owning female slaves (sex/labour slaves), livestock really, that is my take away from that part of Twitter.

[@trystero1729]

the return to tradition guys don’t seem to understand that individual liberties are a good idea

[@damien678]

Love that I'm apparently a fucking monkey on top of that for being FtM too 😂🙃

[@Colddirector]

Just remember that all these people are losers. Their opinions don't matter because they're profoundly mediocre people who've lucked their way into a Twitter grift, so don't lose too much sleep on what they think

[@asurrealistworld4412]

We are not going to return back to that time anyway unless if the traditionalists want to also just get rid of much of modern technology and the greater specialization of labor that technological development has created.

[@sugoruyo]

They saw The Handmaid's Tale and thought it was a "How to Live" seminar.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

What is important to understand here is that no matter what time period they want to go back to *they never imagine themselves as a regular poor person of the 99%* their fantasies are always them being part of the rich powerful elite. Also, its rooted not in a desire for self realisation, but exploitation of the other. They want to go back to a time where they could have money and power and do awful things to people for their own pleasure and get away with it.

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

​@dejuren nobody wants to return to being a 15th century beggar or something. Everyone of these imagine themselves as some aristocrat who spend their day hunting foxes, meditating, etc

[@stevenmcgee5683]

These men wouldn't last five minutes in the classical world of course

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Every single one of these men would be called a barbarian, kidnapped and enslaved within about 5 minutes.

[@winniethepooh8240]

Its funny that ancestors always tried to make life better by introducing new things and these modern entitled people sitting in the comfort of their so called ugly modern houses complain about it

[@darcyroyce]

And that's why I'm fairly irritated that they don't realize how fucking "soy" they are to me! I check out completely when these dudes are coming with game, with delusions of grandeur and domination - like be extremely happy and grateful because I tell you who you are, what you want, and how to go about getting it - fuck right off, idiot, that's all I have to say. Before attempting to rule over my life, show that you possess very basic cognitive capacities like logical thinking skills, impulse control, and curiosity instead of fear - this last one being fundamental to developing compassion towards otherness. Yeah, they're nowhere as high value or important as they make it out to be, but people equally mentally and emotionally compromised will gather around them. As I keep saying, they get the relationships they deserve.

[@decoraqueena6413]

Even today, these men will go to modern day, 3rd world countries and throw temper tantrums.

[@Patriotic_IndianAmerican]

Like you would last in the real communist World. Spoiler it's not some LGBTQ luxury utopia. You would work long gruelling work days. Modern communists aren't even real communists. If modern "commies" were transported back to east Germany or Ussr the Stasi/KGB would line them up against a wall and shoot them for being degenerates. "Blue haired American facist. They want to corrupt our culture." they will say.

[@phillgornall2296]

A return to tradition in my town would mean working in a coal mine for 16 hours a day to just get payed with beer. I would rather keep the flushing toilet and the car. And not have to work in a coal mine.

[@52flyingbicycles]

“Ok, I know you SAY you want a comfy bed, climate controlled housing, abundant food, clean water, a toilet, and money to buy things, but have you considered that you’d actually be happier going to church 20 hours a week, living in a hut, and doing backbreaking manual farm labor? Come on, it’s what you were biologically* designed to do!” *note: biology does not say this

[@alisha8099]

Yeah shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@magnarcreed3801]

That actually sounds fun though. Also biologically humans are not side, endurance hunters.

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@alisha8099 AYO exactly. The seeking if comfort over all else has destroyed a lot of

[@KomradeKrusher]

Two WHOLE hours to milk the cows (in the middle of day) AND tend to the fields? Bro chad needs to be mindful to not overwork himself securing the sustenance for his ice cream machine of a wife and their 4 kids...

[@wrexvincent]

Two hours to milk cows and 'play with animals'. Bro has 0 idea what goes into actual selfsufficiency farming. Also funny he keeps dairy cows but insists on only eating from his wife. Dude views her more as livestock than the livestock on his fantasy farm

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@wrexvincent so true, in my country they have to have a provision in maximum working hours for farmers because during peak seasons they are going to be working as many hours as humanly possible.

[@Onoesmahpie]

Makes you wonder what that silly right wing fellow at the beginning was wanting to do with his livestock... he only needed 1 hour to satisfy his wife

[@treekritter7522]

ice-cream maker of a wife 💀🤣 why he milking a cow at that point? Kinda redundant...unless he's talking about his wife's tibbies and that's just rude.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Dude unironically thinks he's Borat.

[@PhoenixFlame321]

Gee, being oppressed by feudal lords and kings sound so nice, doesn't it? Who wouldn't want to be a medieval commoner? Like, working my ass off in a farm, with none of the basic necessities of modern society, only to get brutally killed when my lord (forcefully) enlists me to a war when he's having an ego trip!

[@darcyroyce]

You meant they throw you in the arena as a bait!?

[@alfatazer_8991]

So Russia?

[@alisha8099]

Shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

It shows how unimpressive these guys are they complain architecture isn't nice, but they don't become an urban planner or architect to make it nice. No they just waste their lives complaining on twitter that other people should solve it. Complaining that other people value health and safety to much.

[@RockoEstalon]

The idea is that nobody would hire you because the "ugly artchitecture" is pushed by some anti-west agenda. Anything that would require getting outside and do some effort to fix it it's actually part of the Jewish/Homosexualist/Feminist/Trans axis to keep the "white man" down, all this in collaboration with Corporations despite a good chunk of them having CEOs that fund anti-LGBT politicians, but whatever.

[@Onoesmahpie]

Whining about architecture is a classic fascist tactic, along with other similar attempts at touting meaningless, arbitrary notions of cultural superiority. Sorry but the history of architecture is a dick measuring contest, the majority of 'architectural styles' are purely aesthetic, rather than serving a practical purpose. Sure some are pretty to look at but fascists tend to really, REALLY love architecture.

[@Joebob1119]

The oppressive juiceish capitalist system doesn't allow us to

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

And when an actual youtuber interested in architecture like Adam Something makes videos about the topic, they immediately storm his comment section....

[@52flyingbicycles]

They also suffer from classic survivor bias. All the beautiful and expensive buildings were preserved. The 99.9% bland and cheap buildings were replaced by newer, more functional bland and cheap buildings and the occasional beautiful and expensive building. Which means bland and cheap buildings are disproportionately new, giving a false impression

[@Neku628]

Didn't peasants have to pay rent or at least work for the nobles that could kick them off their land whenever they wanted because they weren't pleased with how the serfs were upkeeping "their" land? I feel like some people need to read the Dog of Flanders, which had a major theme of the boy losing his grandpa and being forced to be the main and sole income. He couldn't make enough and got forced out of his home that he had shared with his dog and grandpa. The kid and the dog froze too death. So, really how can they be nostalgic for medieval life?

[@brassbuckles]

I think peasants had to pay rent and taxes. Serfs might have lived rent-free because they were the property of the land/landholder. Most peasants and serfs also lived in one-room homes for warmth. A few had nicer homes, and there were some "wealthy" peasants who, while they weren't as wealthy as merchants, had made a good income either at their specialty or in some side venture. That side venture was often run by the wife of the family. Beer brewing was pretty common for women to do. Just imagine living in a one-room home with about 15 people (because all the children, the parents, and possibly some grandparents would live there). You have one hearth where all the cooking is done, and the food there might be old. Your animals are often kept in the house with you, there is no glass on the windows, only shutters. It's stinky, it's crowded, and it's dirty. If these guys want that, they can have it, but most women are gonna give them a hard no. They'll have to do their medieval farm LARPing with other guys.

[@Simile95]

As a woman who grew up on a farm, these accounts are so pathetic. As a woman, you are expected to help as well - even if it is the "lighter" stuff - chickens, rabbits, garden, ... maybe more PLUS often the housekeeping stuff. I bet these guys wouldn't last a month working on farm.

[@Simile95]

(I am talking about the more misogynistic mindsetted farms, as the one I grew up in, in the other ones, the women do pretty much the same work as men - riding tractors, feeding cattle, ... My aunt ran a sheep farm by herself after her older husband died, and she was able to get by. Plus, there is helping mentality among farmers, since you cannot do everything by yourself or with your family or even take sick leave, so... anyway the farm larpers are funny more than anything)

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@Simile95 Yep. Use to do lumber with my grandma. Had to stock up for winter or you’d freeze.

[@brassbuckles]

And under the traditional model if there's no older boy children and the man gets sick, then the women do everything. A lot of people don't realize that the gendered separation of labor was never a hard-and-fast rule. You did what you had to do, especially if you were particularly good at it. And if you were a woman and your husband died in medieval times, you were pretty much going to take over his job, doing the same work at significantly lower pay.

[@yerbamatte5]

it is so morbidly fascinating to hear the far right talk about modern art- they’re still using the same arguments that facists used a century ago basically word for word. considering that a lot of modern art is well over 100 years old, it’s insane to see people say that it is ‘degenerate.’ i’m used to right wingers wanting to go back to the 1950s, but these people straight up want to go back to the early 1800s. the fact that they are STILL angry about duchamp’s fountain an entire 106 years after it was exhibited is so funny

[@PanzerWaffe38]

Communists, fascists, authoritarians etc have ALL called modern art ‘degenerate’. This is not a new thing. Thoughts like that have been going on since the renaissance in Europe.

[@damien678]

It's so clear they haven't even gone to a fucking museum exhibition. Let alone to an art gallery. So much modern art is GORGEOUS

[@neoqwerty]

@@damien678 The only modern art I don't get is the... uh. art-deco? avant-garde? the thing with the colors that only gives me flashbacks to my geometry classes in elementary school. For the rest yeah most of it is very pretty! Or pretty funny. I'm still snickering over taping a banana to the wall, calling it Comedian, and giving strict instructions to routinely replace the banana and how it was eaten once as a counter-performance and once by a tourist that was very happy with his banana snack.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

The day I realized they were not saying “degenerate” ironically was not a good day.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Inferno I don’t know if maybe there’s a different context or cultural/linguistic background you are referring to, but in art/art history, “degenerate” art + artists is a term carrying very specific meanings in very specific historical events & the way your post flattens it to “all these different systems since the Renaissance” shared calling stuff “degenerates” feels like something is being elided.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

It's just people with many insecurities who have been sold the idea that all of them would be solved if only the world was like it was in the "past."

[@alisha8099]

Yeah shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@claireelizabeth9431]

Ok the "eat breast milk ice cream" just made me spit out my drink and laugh out loud. Also love how dude felt the need to add in "make love to wife" just so everyone thinks he fucks. Someone please explain to that man how some fetishes don't need to be shared to the whole class 😂

[@darcyroyce]

😂😂😂 I was really expecting the "make love to a lady" framing so that we're sufficiently confused - whatever else you'd make love to, my guy!? 😂😂😂 And now my own slight naive soul is showing - he could make love to men, of course!

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@darcyroyce What bothers me is he didn't list at any point of his day brushing his teeth or shaving or bathing etc etc... Watch out ladies this man is gross af lolz. I guess he swam in a lake that day? lolz

[@tristanband4003]

I mean, I'm okay with sharing fetishism. But the moment you do, you can't be trad. You can't even have fetishes

[@falconeshield]

Ike raping Tina was considered love in his time cause there was no spousal anti rape law in the 70s. According to this guy, since it wasn't written on paper, Ike 'made love' to Tina.

[@tristanband4003]

@@falconeshield where does ike and Tina come into this?

[@Liliquan]

The only reason these freaks recommend The Art of War is because of its name. That’s literally it. The Art of War is actually a pacifist text that is fundamentally anti-war. The point of the text is….. if war is inevitable, here’s how to do it whilst avoiding as much conflict and violence as possible. Warfare is subduing the enemy through persuasion and manipulation rather than violence. Violence is the last resort when nothing else has succeeded.

[@darcyroyce]

Exactly. ❤

[@chesspiece4257]

clearly they did not in fact read the art of war

[@vylbird8014]

Nothing pacifist about it. It's practical. The most important message of the text is that war is really expensive and disruptive - so don't be tempted by the promise of glory. Only start a war if you are confident you have an advantage so strong that you are not only assured victory, but assured a rapid and affordable victory too. But if those conditions are met, here's a guide as to how to win - with extra pointers on how to achieve victory without an unreasonable expenditure of resources. And don't let the soldiers go rape-and-pillaging, or you'll be putting down rebellions for decades after.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

I mean... that is probably just because of how good China 🐉 is at diplomacy.

[@vaiyt]

The Art of War was meant to teach warlords to stop throwing their people's lives away for vanity and personal vendettas.

[@symbiotesam3562]

Why would you need to eat breast milk ice cream when you just milked the cows? Is obsession with breast milk a new far right thing

[@LocoGeorge123]

Most of the far right are disgusted by breast feeding so I was caught off guard by that, and yeah it’s totally bizarre like is his wife always both pregnant and feeding new borns. And why would it take an hour to eat ice cream lol?

[@willmosse3684]

It’s been a thing for the paleo-carnivore-keto diet crowd lately. The Liver King eats it, and promotes it on his videos. He’s definitely a “king” of this kind of fetishisation of fake tradition. It’s a fake pre-historic caveman lifestyle from him, but it feeds into the same tendencies.

[@trystero1729]

@@LocoGeorge123because of the sheer magnitude of breast milk ice cream these guys want to eat. we’re talking buckets, not bowls

[@blacky_Ninja]

@@LocoGeorge123 Yes, in their weird world the women are always ‚barefoot and pregnant’ in the kitchen.

[@Colddirector]

It's a synthesis of far right ideology and hentai. Truly a wonder of multiculturalism

[@freshedpotato]

Bet that dude does none of the things in his "ideal day" instead he posts on twitter from 9am-9pm.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

All these far right guys are chronically online.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

exactly! LOL. who cooks the breakfast that is going to be ate at 7am and then leave time to walk in the sun? LOL

[@KomradeKrusher]

@@BeautifulEarthJa about 1h of tending to the fields will hardly even leave enough food for breakfast on the table.

[@stevenkies802]

@@KomradeKrusher Exacly what I was thinking. Farming is backbreaking work, from dawn to dusk, and always has been. His "ideal day" schedule looks like a productivity guru's fantasy; lots of "me time" and very little actual work. Note how he includes "worn with staff in field," indicating that he's describing more of an exploitive pratician's life, not a farmer's. It's not even a real patrician's schedule, but a romanticised version of it; everything "traditional" was good and everyting "modern" is bad philosphy.

[@stevenkies802]

@@BeautifulEarthJa Obviously not them. You can't expect such a big thinker to work all day. For some reason, these traditionalists always envisage themselves as the lords and not the peasents, despite the fact that, statistically, that's the most likely occupation.

[@NJdaniels96]

I love how there's so many people who spend 14 hours a day on Twitter and whose skin has turned translucent from exposure to nothing but screen light that want to tell everyone else how they need to go live on a farm.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

lolololol it is like that and it is hilarious

[@supergamer5121]

I guarantee these same people crying how ugly cities are and how we need to return to tradition, would justify colonialism against native Americans because “they were living in tipis and we built civilization with buildings, plumbing, electricity.”

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

Yup!!

[@fawnieee]

And then they would call the Aztecs, famous for having extremely organized cities that even had running water go through most places and were incredibly hygienic, as lesser because they hadn't invented guns yet.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Idk I’d say return to nature and cities are gross but I also think the colonizers were wrong and that the indigenous people had the right idea.

[@Dark_Jaguar]

Scheduling their entire life down to the minute... that sounds absolutely miserable. They DO realize that things like... living to minute by minute clocks are fairly recent sociological inventions right? So much for tradition.

[@darcyroyce]

Underneath political or religious or even spiritual "garments" we're still talking abusive types, here, and one overarching need is to control and micromanage the environment and people to the minute. These kind of people make horrible parents, spouses and bosses, whereby everything, from food, water, playing, loving, would be rationed! If one never lived through dictatorship one wouldn't understand the deeply depraved, enslaving, dumbing down elements of dehumanising, that is at the core of cosplaying some washed up modern overlord. The claims that the victim/subject needs to be controlled and dominated because they're dumb or inexperienced enough, is just smokescreen for the abuser to justify his acts in the eventuality that he's observed and called out for it. This is textbook behaviour that is pathological.

[@falconeshield]

They don't. Facists are dumb. It's how we beat them

[@epis8613]

We ate truly past the point where satire is possible if the world's wealthiest man is anti-capitalist.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Returning to tradition would involve becoming an alcoholic. The Royal Navy sailor drank the equivalent of 10 pints a day.

[@trystero1729]

wait really?! TEN?! i know we’re supposed to be on the outside looking in here but you got me wanting to return to tradition

[@blacky_Ninja]

You know what? Great selling point! Who even needs their liver anyways? Return to traditions! 🥳

[@danielomar9712]

At least you get a healthy dose of lime and lemons so you don't die of scurvy

[@Kat-gp6gj]

​@@trystero1729 It was probably pretty gross booze, though. We have better stuff today.

[@falconeshield]

No internet, hello beer

[@lfilm3]

Just want to quickly say that everyone should just quickly look up the actual myth of Sati, (particularly the Shaktist versions), to see how very wrong Evola's take was. Her self-immolation was a rebuke to the hierarchy, and to her father's authority over her. And then Shiva, (who is still very much alive, because the myth is meant to be about fidelity to her husband as an individual and not as a generic agent of the patriarchy), goes nuts and decapitates said father. Conservatives just cannot abide actually reading primary sources, can they?

[@marcello7781]

What's going back to "tradition" according to them? Going back to the 1950s? The 1850s? The 1750s? They should be more explicit 'cause nothing is static throughout times when it comes to culture.

[@KomradeKrusher]

Reject copper, embrace flint!

[@sammyvictors2603]

What they seem to love is the aesthetics of tradition. If they really want to reject modernity, they should go live as an Amish-like community. But I bet they won't do that at all, they need modern appliances and luxuries. Fascists love worshiping the past, aesthetically that is.

[@Joebob1119]

​@@sammyvictors2603 Fascists were socialists, these people aren't, therefore this isn't fascism.

[@sammyvictors2603]

@@Joebob1119 wrong. Fascism was never socialism. If you're thinking the Nazi National Socialist party, then you're misinformed. The Party was Socialist in name only (similar to our modern RINO or DINO) in order to dupe others into following them.

[@PanzerWaffe38]

@@sammyvictors2603 how are these people fascists?

[@dmwalker24]

"Our great war is a spiritual war" is a quote from the film, Fight Club. A film which does contain themes regarding the rejection of 'modern living', although I would suggest it's actually a much more straight-forward critique of capitalism, with more than a couple nods to communism. I get an impression from these twitter accounts that is very indicative of the kind of right-wing LARP'ers that are all too common these days. They tend to have quite the obsession with the optics, and the aesthetics, which is a pretty typical thing for fascists.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Sadly i don`t remember which historian made the quote, but basically he said: "Fascism is the great theatre, it is built to impress for eternity. But nothing more.

[@benfatai]

Fight Club was actually written by a gay man, and was a critique on masculinity. Which ironically these chuckleheads adore and completely misinterpret as “anti-woke”. Or something. It’s quite fascinating this ilk.

[@tetri90]

Yeah, you also see that with their obsession with rural life despite obviously not knowing anything about it (2 hours of "playing with the cows" in the middle of day somehow is their version of permaculture). It's just using the nice aesthetics to push the only thing they actually care about : women should be subservient and social progress should be rolled back by a century or two.

[@cageybee1154]

It is a critique on Capitalism and a satire of Toxic Masculinity: the author said so himself. Fight Club is as misunderstood as The Matrix.

[@marocat4749]

Yep, tyler durden, is the bad guy. There is even very gay stuff in there openly, the author is gay and would know. And there is even bob as Tragic man that is wholesome, and just wanted connection, rip him. Fight club is a tragedy of well , the fight club is literally a cult and it about tragedy of men just wanting a human connection at any cost. Henge the self helps gouo faked, its all about being desperate for connection, abused by a cult. And the marrator is complicit.

[@stuartsmith4369]

To be fair, for a woman married to one of these men, having them work more means having them around less.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

but what woman will ever want to marry them

[@bluester7177]

@@juliaboskamp9666 There is always someone, often from a fundamentalist family, who has been brainwashed since birth to believe they are inferior.

[@stuartsmith4369]

@@juliaboskamp9666 Whichever womans father they pay an appropriate bride price to, presumably.

[@brassbuckles]

There are a lot of "tradwives" out there who buy into this ideology, at least temporarily. A lot of them end up being left by their husbands or leaving their husbands after they realize the men who are into this kind of life are typically not good husbands and fathers.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The reason architecture is quite bland in modern times isn't about culture it is capitalism if your only consideration when creating a building is profits of course it's going to be a lifeless cube. If you want to change that you need to reduce capitalism's influence, not complain on twitter about culture.

[@Onoesmahpie]

Keep in mind though it was much easier to build pretty buildings with endless slave/child/underpaid labor. Also modern architecture is in fact a particular style, and it is very fancy and uses an eclectic range of materials and thought provoking methods of utilizing space, i.e. the Walter Rudin house. I think you are complaining about the average building you see driving down the road, rather than buildings built with a specific style in mind. Keep in mind we have so many buildings in modern times compared to ancient times, the older ones were certainly fancier and had a much, much higher (relative) budget. Especially the ones we consider to be representative of specific types of 'architecture'.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@Onoesmahpie Non of the buildings talked about were built by slaves, it required skilled tradesmen. Yeah some modern architecture is good and I know they would begrudgingly agree to that as well. Also the buildings like in the last 300 years as we have conversion rates for that cost less than modern buildings today for the very simple reason they didn't have electricity, only rudimentary plumbing, no bathrooms to only a few, and kitchens were much more basic, land prices were much cheaper, profits were lower and although it required skilled tradesmen they were paid less than the equivalent today as they used to be more common.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Architecture in the modern world is not bland at all, because profit is only enabled by building nice buildings. This is like arguing that under capitalism painters will only sell blank canvases... So many people fall into this delusion where they simply don't understand that a lot of people find these buildings nice to look at.

[@neoqwerty]

@@PlatinumAltaria I can think of a LOT of nice modern buildings (had to research a lot of them for some worldbuilding that looked FUTURISTIC even compared to current modern standards, came out of that architectural dive being very, very enamoured with some of those bleeding-edge futuristic moderm buildings and walkways, they look so _clean_ and almost like fantasy structures made of crystal and white marble "rivers"). So many pretty, curvy mirror mosaics reflecting the sky and backed with solid greys or whites and some amazingly placed outer lighting! And some even have wind turbines set in their design, the cutting-edge stuff is especially impressive visually.

[@GeteMachine]

Simplicity saves money, and resources which I think is just the basis of things today looking uncreative. These days to get someone to design those older buidings, they'd be expensive people. A lot of the materials used today are cheaper, if not to a fault at times.

[@panqueque445]

I love the "what would a person from 1930s London think of London today" as if the first thing they'd do wouldn't be sheer amazement at all the technological advancements that are plain to see.

[@vylbird8014]

"He he he... that building looks like a big cock."

[@andrejg4136]

A 1930s Londoner would likely greatly enjoy the crazy amount of good food just about anywhere.

[@panqueque445]

@@andrejg4136 1930s Londoner in these people's minds: "Oh my god look at all these minorities. Disgusting" Actual 1930s Londoner: "You mean I can look at naked women with this thing? In my pocket?"

[@vaiyt]

No blitz? Sign me in! 😂

[@vsmith1688]

As a history nerd, I hate to say this, but I have now become suspicious of anyone who professes an interest in either Greek/Roman history or the 2 world wars.

[@azazel166]

So do I, and I am a Greek.

[@damien678]

I'm a Celtic pagan, how sus am I? 😂

[@Colddirector]

I think it depends on *what* about that history they like. I love Roman history, but I understand it was a pretty deeply flawed, unpleasant society that we wouldn't want to go back to.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

"What's your favourite historical topic?" "I really like swords."

[@TheElf_Online]

I've found that WW1 buffs are less of a red flag than WW2 buffs. Still have to be cautious but not nearly as likely to be a literal fascist.

[@mystman7722]

Back to medieval times? No indoor plumbing & electricity, terrible hygiene, barely anything that counts as medicine, much much shorter lifespan, etc etc. They are crazy.

[@alisha8099]

Shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@magnarcreed3801]

I’d prefer to go farther back, like nomadic tribes. Disease and all. Survive past five and you’re good usually.

[@ProHero86]

He’s gonna eat breast milk ice cream for an hour?!?

[@camelopardalis84]

Yes. And each day.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Right? That's a long time dawg damn! I had dessert recently at this one joint. Took like 5 mins tops to finish it and then pay and gtfo. Just two scoops of ice cream yo! Bro b chugging that ice cream breast milk like a crack addict lulz.

[@julesdalli9716]

Would probably take an hour given how disgusting it would taste.

[@camelopardalis84]

@@julesdalli9716 Breast milk tastes rather nice, apparently. It's more the thought of it that repulses people to consume it.

[@mustellar]

His imaginary wife has anime tiddies. She’ll make gallons a day.

[@lupine.spirit]

im pretty sure farmwork takes longer than 2 hours in the afternoon. like idk how he imagines that his cows just give milk without having calves, and they also need food, and you need to clean up after them, like you got not time for ONE HOUR BREAST MILK ICE CREAM PARTY daily lol

[@willmosse3684]

He probably imagines himself with slaves or peasants to do the real hard work for him

[@andyboom2004]

Have some really bad news for the first guy's itinerary for an ideal day. Dairy farming is not something that can easily be done for just 2 hours of the mid-day.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Even chopping wood and storing for a “traditional” house takes longer. Mf crazy. I’d still prefer a more wild life but bro ain’t thinking.

[@silvanvanderhorst7366]

The funny thing is, I used to (actually still) love Roman culture in high school. I had latin and greek class and learned all about the Romans' and Greek their culture. And while I would love to visit this time period and while I enjoyed doing so through games like Assassin's Creed (which is my favorite gaming franchise because of this exploration of history aspect, which was my favorite course in high school), I would never want to live in the time of the Romans nor stay any longer than one day if I had a time machine. And I definitely would not want society to go back to that time. Because as much as I love to learn about the Romans' history, and as much as I love their art, their architecture and their mythological stories, I also know that, unless you were part of the elite, life was super miserable at that time. Over 90% of the Roman Empire's population lived in conditions of extreme poverty. Decease was every, hunger was everywhere. The Empire was also in a perpetual state of war in order to sustain it's wealthy classes and tax income and "glory for the empire and the gods". And I haven't even mentioned the fact that slavery was still practiced, and of course you had those horrific gladiator fights that people would like to watch. It's an interesting culture, with a lot of interesting and fascinating history, and I absolutely loved visiting Rome last summer and standing on the Forum, the location where it all took place, but nevertheless I'm also glad that this is part of history. That this is not how society looks anymore today. Because that would be really horrible. And you have some of these traditionalist people that also really love Sparta. Man, Sparta was even worse. At least with Rome you had the culture, you had the art, the poetry, the stories, the buildings and the statues. Sparta had none of that. The entire city of Sparta was just one giant military camp. There is a reason for why we call things that are basic and ugly "spartan". Because Spartans didn't care about beauty, only about utility. Oh, and going back to you Ecumene Aztec video of these conservatives talking about the "horrors" of aztecs sacrificing people, while these same people love and praise the vikings and Spartans? Well, Spartans had this tradition of throwing babies of a mountain to root out the weak specimens. When a baby was found to be weak, sick or having a defect, Spartans would throw it off a mountain to kill all weak humans. Now of course this is very much in line with the fascist way of thinking. But it is kind of hypocritical if you say you hate the aztecs for doing pretty much the exact same thing.

[@DarthMcDoomington]

The thing is Spartans weren't even good at utility, their culture was so utterly war obsessed it couldn't survive without the slaves it utterly hated, you had to live a very long time before you could start a family, and while there was no way for a non-Spartan to become a Spartan there were plenty of ways for Spartans to lose their citizenship. And the agoge didn't even teach you to be a good soldier, it was to make you a good citizen and keep the slaves Sparta needed to exist in-line and didn't work nearly as well as Spartans and their fanboys would have you believe, and of course logistics is supplies and transportation and other things that aren't glorious battle and thus only weakings do that sissy shit, real men, SPARTAN MEN, would of course just sort of magic it out of nowhere. Because of all the above their population was in a perpetual decline, but Sparta of course didn't realize YOU NEED A FUCKING POPULATION TO HAVE AN ARMY.

[@marocat4749]

Sparta even is a good warning example why ypu dont want a military dictatorship. The real spartais way more interesting in a study of propaganda and propaganda playing in history. Heradotus, was a starta fanboy growing up with the starta myths. Henge the extragation if it were even true stories how super tough spartans were. They were like a tourust attraction realistic living of the accidental last stand against persia, that was not planned, at all. And that spartas military dictatorship and slavery even condemned by greece kept them from leaving a legacy. Other slave had at least property rights mistreatment laws, sparta,none. They did cull helots regulary out of fear. Leaving babies to die was a practice everywhere not sparta, henge it pops up in mythology really often, and that pit sounds nonsense.

[@silvanvanderhorst7366]

@@marocat4749 they didn’t just leave babies to die, which is indeed something a lot of Greeks did. No they threw them of a mountain. They didn’t LET it die, they actively KILLED babies when they thought they were weak

[@kuromi8384]

Suburban people who dream of living on a farm are so cringe to me. They would never make it on an actual farm lol. Having a farm requires hard work not sitting and crying on Twitter 😭😭

[@notrod5341]

Oh they absolutely think they'd be the ones in charge of the farm who can just rock up and do whatever, not the random dude who works there

[@kuromi8384]

@@notrod5341 It's so embarrassing 😭😭

[@azazel166]

I for one say that suburban people should remain in their cloister and never bother any of us again.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Idk sounds great to me. I’d take that over a factory.

[@cheesi]

The 'old city good, new city bad' one really gets to me because... the image of old cities isn't _of an old city._ It's some spread out houses. Ancient history through to today, there's pretty much always been big, dense settlements with tightly packed buildings. Like, surely it's not that hard to just find a nice looking representation of an actual medieval city, but maybe that would come too close to admitting that they could be shitholes too.

[@tatiana4050]

Dude really thinks he can survive on 2 hours of labour a day?

[@Joebob1119]

Says the communist lol

[@skepticalpanda8862]

He just doesn't mention all of the slaves necessary to allow this kind of lifestyle.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Espcially farming which requires you to work all day and even longer when it's harvest or spring

[@tetri90]

@@Alex-cw3rz No, you don't understand, he doesn't do any of that harvests thing. He only want to play with the cows. And they're smart cows, so surely they will manage on their own for the food and there is never any other work than milking them. You see, farming is easy when you just do it in your mind.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@tetri90 to be honest not sure why he needs the cow milk away seen as he's drinking his wife's milk

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The realisation that right wing people have zero ability to understand art or beauty has gone a long way to explaining this. See, they don't actually have any feelings about art. They've been told that some art is "classic", that the people who made it were "masters". And so they use those examples as a schematic to determine what is and isn't "good art". Art must replicate the exact things that they've been told are good, otherwise it's bad. There's no feeling, no understanding, no thought. They're following an algorithm. It's kinda sad, realising that they can't actually see the beauty in a sunset, they've just been told it's beautiful.

[@walexander8378]

I do wonder what they like about say, that train station. Is it the color or what?

[@bnpixie1990]

It is funny you bring this up because two men, at least traditionalist adjacent, were talking up a statue of a woman and saying how only a man could make a statue that celebrates a woman's beauty like the statue did. And the statue was made by Lou Li Rong, a Chinese woman. 😅

[@darcyroyce]

I'd give you a hug for this comment. ❤

[@chesspiece4257]

that definitely explains why they group all old european art styles together as one singular “better” art type as if there wasn’t beef between them.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Life expectancy in the town I live in is now 79 years old during the height of the industrial revolution it was 24, pre industrialisation it was around 46, during the English Civil War up to 1,600 people in the town were mas sacred, the century's before that were mired by plague then you go back to the earliest records and another mas sacre occured. So when was that good time in the past that I should wish I lived in?

[@Onoesmahpie]

In the twisted minds of misguided right wing idiots who have watched way too many movies and read way too few history books

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Same thought went through my head when Trump uttered his "Make America Great Again" slogan. I wondered "When was America ever great?"

[@philipus.]

​@@aureliodeprimus8018 Isn't his slogan the same Reagan used? He probably believes America was great during Reagan

[@DarthMcDoomington]

@@philipus. Remember: Reagan bitched about the US nuclear arsenal being reduced then reduced the US nuclear arsenal to fund FUCKING SPACE LASERS. Yes I bring that up every time someone mentions Reagan.

[@thoughtgathers1143]

These people do know that it's possible for them to have a life like that right? It's not like you can't do those things nowadays. People still milk cows on farms, play with animals, there's even breast milk ice cream. Why does everyone have to be forced to play out their little fetish?

[@darcyroyce]

Everyone cannot be forced, that's what they need to radically accept. 😊

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

Didn't entirely expect to hear about Thierry Baudet, but yeah, he's the leader of the definitely-not-fascist party that somehow keeps agreeing with all the fascist things.

[@jestenia590]

I really appreciate you tracing back where these ideas come from. I was so confused how right-wingers went from “women get no say because they don’t make as much as men” to “scrap all pretense, women back in the kitchen no matter what, and we live on a farm”.

[@boxdynomite3]

I saw a meme about this and it makes me think of the worst book I ever read: Walden. It's the journal of a guy in the 1800s and all he does is complain about how "modern life" and advancements in technology is making humans weak. He gives up on society and lives in a cabin in the woods by himself. These types of people existed even in times where people still died of the common cold and when the majority of the population is illiterate. He goes on about how living in the wild is how humans were meant to live, how you're not actually living unless you fight for survival every day, how people are becoming less religious, how government is too big, and all these things you'd read from a terminally online conservative. And like those types of people, he randomly mentions things about history and philosophy but talks about them in a surface level fashion to try and sound smart.

[@ss-ds2dn]

My favorite part is that his mom frequently came to help with laundry and food throughout his time roughing it

[@Kat-gp6gj]

Oh man, I tried to read that book. It was so obnoxiously pretentious.

[@MaksFaks-kl1zj]

At least that guy from 1800s actually did reject modernity and retvrned to tradition. Many of these clowns cannot even do that.

[@NyxyPixie]

Ugh as a history and pagan mythology enjoyer it’s one of those things when you find someone else interested and you have to make sure they’re not a racist misogynist before you get excited about finding someone with shared interests😢 It’s very interesting to even look at historical knowledge over the years and peel back the layers of understanding that colours it. Because the people who find and categorize artifacts will inevitably use their current knowledge and bias to interpret them even if unknowingly. What gets attention and funding related back to the interests of the time too. We’re all human after all.

[@Montesama314]

Reminds me of a bit in a video game where a future-world scholar ponders the religious symbolism of the ancient relics he found. The main character says, "maybe they used them to drink stuff" and the scholar says "that's ridiculous!" The relics are, of course, coffee cups.

[@MikkoAPenttila]

I love how they imagine they'll be at the top of their imaginary "traditional" utopias even though, if you traced their ancestry to those times, their, like most everyone's. family tree is made up overwhelmingly of peasants and laborers with maybe a little middle class here and there.

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

milk cows at 1-3pm? LOL you know these ppl have never lived any of these lives from what I know, cows are milked at 4-5am LOL

[@wrexvincent]

Depending on the breed they need it twice a day- usually early morning and late evening. Waiting that long you risk mastitis and gangrene.

[@ramonserna8089]

​@@wrexvincent That is only in modern time after years of intensive breeding. Ancient cows were not like that.

[@wrexvincent]

@@ramonserna8089 further proof that guy has seriously no idea how to raise modern dairy cows

[@brassbuckles]

@@ramonserna8089 They didn't produce as much milk in the past, but cows have been milked twice daily for a very long time. That's not really a recent thing.

[@decoraqueena6413]

Here's a more realistic traditional day: 5-6am- wake up at the crack of dawn and eat breakfast made by wife who had to make everything by scratch. 7am-12pm- get ready for back breaking farming (no agricultural tech) and livestock rearing with wife. 12-1pm- eat lunch made by wife and take a nap. 2-4pm- get back to work. (work includes maintenance of house and tools because the shops are 4 hours away. You might get injured. No hospitals within 2000 miles) 5-7 pm- have dinner, spend time with kids and bang wife and knock her up with her 10th child. 8pm- go to bed. ( might wake up several times a night because rural places can bw noisy and dangerous). (disclaimer : working times may vary during different seasons.)

[@RR_theproahole]

If you have animals that need to be milked, you normally wake up around 4 am not 5-6.

[@alisha8099]

Shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@j0j0dartiste21]

I always the guys like the Hellenistic guy going "Aristocracy must replace democracy" like he would end up as part of the aristocracy. Like dude spends all day posting on Twitter, he would be lucky if he's ends a serf

[@azazel166]

Greek here, all I can say is that I am not amused at all with this larper.

[@ramonserna8089]

Bro didnt include time in the day to shower but put a whole hour for breast milk ice cream. Thats priorities.

[@shaunsmith9013]

"Ebola Fascism" just naturally sounds like something you shouldn't want.

[@Scooter_Alice]

"breast milk ice cream" Don't steal my kink, you thief

[@streeterville773]

Baby-batter ice cream

[@Eibarwoman]

And we know they don't want NominalNaomi's.

[@marocat4749]

​@@Eibarwomanhey nominal naomis , knows her stuff, like she 7snice and the lactation intercourde is legit interesting, i didnt know how many people can actually lactate, irrelevant of sex. And hormons including in teenager trigger it, which of couse hrt too. And how to trIn it. Legit interesting stuff.

[@Eibarwoman]

@@marocat4749 I know that as well. I'm just saying the chuds would have their stomachs churn if they learned the breast milk wasn't cis.

[@marocat4749]

@@Eibarwoman oh yes, probably do more than with catboy milk :P

[@vinny184]

The Byzantine Empire was actually a continuation of the classical Roman Empire. In the 3th century the Roman empire was so large that it wasn’t viable to have a centralized government, so they divided it into East and West. We now call it the Byzantine Empire but in contemporary times it was simply called the Roman Empire.

[@yummico]

If he woke up in a farm the first thing would be to tend to the animals. You can't wait till afternoon that's crazy

[@walexander8378]

Well, they said ideal so maybe they have many farmhands or something. I don't know. Meditating on a farm in Italy sounds funny to me though

[@darcyroyce]

​@@walexander8378all style, no essence, but it appeals to stressed minds. Oh yeah.

[@bluester7177]

@@walexander8378 I also don't understand why they need to meditate, at least to me, manual labour can be pretty meditative, he could also use his eating ice cream time because 1 hour requires a lot of ice cream.

[@vaiyt]

You just gotta assume slaves are keeping his arcadian roleplay from falling apart

[@cbbcbb6803]

People delude themselves into thinking that their fantasized "good parts" were the only parts.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

No real farmer would ever say "play with animals."

[@Wishmaster787]

Or only do 3 hours of work

[@mshearn3198]

That bit where they complain about people not dressing in an old fashioned manner makes me laugh. Funny thing is a lot of people who dress in vintage fashion are quite liberal, in the social sense.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Right-Wingers be like: Let's be like the Greeks and return to tradition! Me: So I take it that you've read the Symposium too? 🙃

[@azazel166]

Greek, they will never be like us. They were and will remain barbarians.

[@marocat4749]

I assume that there was meant to be sokrates a a smartass and sarkastic, But 😂

[@sander10]

I love how the first guy thinks farm work only takes 2 hours

[@tetri90]

And in the middle of the day only. Because who needs to wake up early to take the animals out, feed them, etc ? Just go play with the animals a bit when you feel like it and you're won farming...

[@EmoBearRights]

I know that you have to wake up early to feed animals and all I do is ride horses or I used to at least.

[@KomradeKrusher]

"My ideal life is Stardew Valley -gay +kink"

[@IngramSnake]

I just want to say kavernacle is probably the best UK leftist content creator. Good on you buddy.

[@alexbdagger]

that tweet at the beginning of the video completely broke my brain. how the literal fuck does someone expect to get breast milk ice cream. I feel like I could respond to that with the persona 5 meme where Yusuke says that is cringe. in fact that's probably the most cringe thing I've seen in my entire life

[@willmosse3684]

The Liver King eats it, and promotes it on his channel. He’s getting it from somewhere apparently.

[@JM1993951]

The craziest thing on that list is limiting yourself to reading for exactly one hour. If it’s a chore, why bother? You’re really gonna to stop in the middle of an interesting chapter or an epic battle because your timer tells you to? That’s psychopath shit.

[@spooksnotspooky6753]

Seeing anyone with a marble statue as their pfp in the replies is how you now that your about to 1: see the dumbest take physically possible 2: question if it’s rage bait 3: reply to what they said 4: get called multiple slurs

[@walpoleandworcester]

“Return to tradition” to these clods means going back to the 1800s or earlier.

[@vylbird8014]

I think it's more 1950s. Specifically. - The civil rights movement hasn't won yet. Nor have the feminists. White men are still on top. - The conclusion of WW2 and the new cold war gives America a new sense of moral purpose. - Most modern conveniences are ready, though limited to the well-off. You can have your car, and domestic appliances. - Christian-dominated culture.

[@pedrob3953]

1930's fascism all over again. Anti-liberal, anti-urban, anti-democratic, anti-civilization. Most "traditions" are nothing but 19th century revivals, at the time when nation-states were formed and ethnic Nationalism was fashionable. Many of them were completely made up, to give a unified cultural "character" to a newly formed country where it didn't exist before. Many of them don't make sense in a highly urbanized society, it's just "blood and soil" fetishism. And those who want to "go back to the land" can't imagine what a hard life it is, our ancestors were glad to leave it behind at first opportunity.

[@alisha8099]

Shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@DustinDustin00]

Tradition: peer pressure from dead people

[@PrincessDalathiel]

None of these people have ever even lived on a farm and it really shows. From the very jump: cows have to be milked twice a day, 12 hours apart. They also don't just infinitely provide milk, you have to birth the calf and care for it while it's growing up, then you have to breed the dairy cow again (during which it's probably not producing any milk) to start the process over. So just to have continous milk, you'll need 2 or 3 dairy cows, a bull, and 2-3 calves. It'll take about 6 hours a day, every day, just to care for those cows, feeding, milking, moving pastures, cleaning stalls, breeding, birthing, vet visits, etc., and that's all the time they allotted to farm work (assuming all work time is being used). If there are crops or more animals (to make it an actual farm and not a dairy) that takes even more time. Farming is really hard work, 6 hours a day is just not enough time to actually keep anyone fed, especially when you consider that you have to spend extra time preserving food for winter.

[@MeeesterBond17]

Random Twitter Account - "Cancel culture didn't exist in classical times." Socrates - "...bruh." 😑

[@paulcato3434]

Why can't these guys distinguish between 'ancestors' and 'descendants'? They're not the same thing.

[@PinkPanda-Zx]

The amount of modern people that want to go back to an era where misfortune could mean their family members could end up as literal slaves is fascinating. You'd hope this phase was something one would grow out of. The aesthetic is not the reality.. those times were ludicrously brutal. I guess these guys also think they'd be Marcus Aurelius or Hannibal and not some junior officer dying of disease after some battle, or the everyday citizen getting fleeced by tax collectors lol

[@decoraqueena6413]

The sad thing is people in the past fought and died to end hegemonic systems so they could have a better future for their kids. Imagine being one of them now and hearing modern day males dream about going back to in time to live in a system you tried to end.

[@texyp.856]

You can see the first guy has never stepped his foot on a farm. 2 hours of work a day when you have a homestead, animals and bunch of kids ?? Unless you have like 5 employees and your wife is working 15h a day not a chance in hell 😭💀💀

[@neerkum5428]

Even apolitically these accounts are so weird and unhinged

[@timschulz3714]

The carnivore guy is an anti-vegan. When he says breast milk ice cream he’s referencing and “making fun of” or trolling vegans who call cows dairy milk, breast milk (which it is)

[@PlatinumAltaria]

It would be if cows had breasts, which they do not. The udder is a specialised organ.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

​@@PlatinumAltariaMammals that produce milk in the chest area have breasts, and those who produce milk on the belly area have udders, if I'm correct.

[@vylbird8014]

Thank you. I knew it had to be some sort of in-joke reference that only makes sense to the right community.

[@timschulz3714]

@@PlatinumAltaria Fair enough. I'd be ok renaming dairy milk "udder milk", and plant milks can stay plant milk or named after whatever plant it comes from. The important part is cows are sentient individuals that produce milk for their young, not for us humans.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@timschulz3714 Every single person over the age of 8 knows that cows make milk for their babies. Sheep make wool to keep warm, but we would also like to keep warm, and we do the sheep the favour of not letting them be ripped apart by a pack of wolves in exchange. Seems like a good trade. While many animals don't thrive in human captivity, livestock do.

[@mercuryatamolos3687]

My biggest pet peeve is people using the word “ancestors” when what they mean is “descendants”

[@martins.4240]

That also annoyed me more than it should have. They supposedly love tradition but can't even get such a basic thing right ffs

[@LadyDoomsinger]

Always remember, that once upon a time every "tradition" was a new idea. Tradition = Progressivism + Time

[@vaiyt]

Everything these goobers think of as traditional in rome already had someone complaining about degeneracy and that they needed to return to an earlier time.

[@alisha8099]

Yeah shure, modernity braught a lot of quality of life inovation, but it also subjugated the natural world on a materialistic and extractivist basis, therefore destroying the sacred bond between man and Nature. Some more "primitive" cultures at least, had a animistic belief system, assigning agency and independent value (souls) to mother Nature.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

@@alisha8099 You mean the "natural world" that has been trying to kill all of us ever since life first crawled out of the primordial ooze? Yeah, no. I don't see anything "sacred" about dirt and bugs.

[@styfen]

I can't help but laugh at the white statue user images, given that the sculptures they're using were painted in gaudy colours back when they were first made.

[@animationfanatic2133]

Better change "make love to wife" to 7:00-7:01 😂 am I right

[@TheGLaDOSvideoCore]

the other 59 minutes are screaming racial slurs with roman profile pictures in multiplayer video games

[@Γι3ργ0ς]

​​@@TheGLaDOSvideoCore only 59?

[@lorelange]

I had to pause at 0:17 to fully grasp the depth of this nonsense "deep work", "play with animals", "eat breast milk ice cream" 😂😂 no bs, no time of spontaneity, 😂😂 Jesus, this is so weird, he's not even playing with the kids 😂 smh

[@blacky_Ninja]

@@TheGLaDOSvideoCore Or beating her up, cause she looked at him funny.

[@angiep2229]

Anyone who is lactating to such excess that they have enough to make ice cream out of? PLEASE donate to milk banks. There are premature babies who would greatly benefit. Don't make freaking ice cream out of it. Grow up.