🚫We OFFICIALLY DONE with the 90s!!🚫 Current Era vs 90s debate w/

[@SeeingShadows]

Ppl like Big Ox are why the "we done with 90s" trend exist. He's stuck in the past and can't accept the progression of the game

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Ox usually keeps it down to his preference though I don't think he be spread lies or narrative. He said that women's basketball been his favorite current brand of basketball way back on his first time on the channel.

[@_lamar5059]

That’s not what he said lmao

[@PraiseObito]

I don’t think Ox has ever had a good take. He knows how to PLAY basketball but he doesn’t know how to analyze basketball.

[@legorovers9838]

@@itszaaaamzehyeah i respect oxs opinion but he is often hypocrtical and has double standards

[@MJW777]

🗣

[@MarzTalksSports]

OLDHEADS GOT NOONE TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. WE DONE WITH THE 90s.

[@richardrawlins7803]

The first hour or so of the show where your going 3v1.. COOKING ALL 3 OF THEM THE HARD WAY WAS AMAZING🤣🤣🤣

[@richardrawlins7803]

Their answers were so elusive and they would subtly change the topic towards the end of the answer was also very entertaining🤣🤣 Chill is a pro

[@taquaywhite4503]

Of the top 20 shooters percentage wise, there are more active players in the top 20 than there are players pre 2000(7-5), go top 25 it’s 11-6, top 30 it’s 12-6. Players can objectively shoot better and space more now than before. Idk why they try to fight facts with feelings

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@taquaywhite4503 they emotional that their era is cooked

[@KASTROATNIGHT]

@@MarzTalksSports😂😂😂

[@BlkStar99]

Domo and Marz touched on why this whole done with the 90s topic is going viral and why people don’t like the old heads in basketball. They want to dish out all these criticisms and hate on the young players but get mad when the same is done to them even though a lot of them didn’t watch. Kobe and AI never got hate after their retirements because they always showed love and respect.

[@MJW777]

Bingo

[@MarzTalksSports]

cook up sir

[@qupope6955]

Tell em again!!!

[@_lamar5059]

WE DONE WITH THE SIDESTEP THREES AND ACCIDENTAL BASKETBALL!

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@_lamar5059 this is a pathetic clapback

[@jaycespades8360]

Marz cooked these dudes, literally pulled up to a 1v4 and said “nah I’d win” 😂😂

[@newzay50]

He didnt marz usually is good with the evolution tax but he wrong about fhe 90s reguardless of what anyone is saying it was a transitional faze

[@jaycespades8360]

@@newzay50 the reasons don’t matter when judging the bottom line.

[@newzay50]

@@jaycespades8360 the bottom line is evolution. If all these nba players today where born in the 70s and 80s they would not be doin the same rhings in the 90s that rhey are doing today. We got way more information and freedom today.

[@jaycespades8360]

@@newzay50 good to know you agree but wanted to expound on the point.

[@newzay50]

@@jaycespades8360 i dont agree eith marz at all…dog jus started watchin basketball when the warriors won…u cant make statements like shooting a 20 foot mid range shot is dumb af when u coukd shoot the 3 n penalize a era because of that. I would rather marz blame that on the coaches than the players…they were takin guys off the court for doing things that were even slightly unconventional for the era

[@danielfagang3025]

Dub must be so proud everyone is joining him on the battle hes been fighting alone for 2 years now

[@BeanHoopz]

ikr as much hate as dub gets he been on this timing longer than most ppl i know

[@AX5Terminator]

Shaq won 4 rings in the 2000s but got swept 5 times in the 90s...

[@spiderninja57]

It’s not like he played on better teams and was older🤯

[@AX5Terminator]

@spiderninja57 Shaq in 1998 was 26 years old, put up the same Stats as his championship years, had 3 all stars on his team, and still got swept by an old Jazz team led by 35 and 36 year Olds before they had modern medicine and training...

[@Nazim909]

@@AX5TerminatorKobe bean Bryant

[@kendrickjenkins96]

OMG THE CONCEPT OF A PLAYER GETTING BETTER AND HAVING BETTER TEAMMATES 😱😱😱😱😱

[@tashrif46]

@@kendrickjenkins96No it was getting a better coach. From Del Harris they went to Phil Jackson.

[@trevon444]

It happened with the 50s, it happened with the 90s, the newer generation guys will hate on the flaws of the older generation. 30 years from now they gonna say the 2020s was trash. Watch the games make your own opinion and don’t use sheep logic

[@Edd_LShore]

Nobody trashes the 80s. Problem with the 90s is IT SUCKED

[@lukeroberts2541]

evolution my guy

[@Edd_LShore]

@@lukeroberts2541 is not lineal. The 00 to 05 were EVEN WORSE than the 90s

[@lukeroberts2541]

@@Edd_LShore rule changes

[@Edd_LShore]

@@lukeroberts2541 I agree. Honestly I think the idea of comparing different eras is stupid and there is no 1 Goat. But if there is, it can only be Wilt Chamberlain. But still we shouldnt compare eras.

[@reyrodriguez2178]

Man episode like these Ticket would have go crazy 🤣🔥

[@Will_N2441]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@atmluv1]

A back and forth wouldn’t have been able to happen.

[@nh_flex8922]

@@atmluv1yelling debates> marz trolling 24/7

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@nh_flex8922trolling? being right is trolling?

[@kingforte9246]

@@nh_flex8922what makes yelling debates better then Marz trolling?

[@randydupree2202]

YALLLL NEEED TICKET THIS SHOW IS MEDIOCRE WITHOUT HIM … barely can watch these guys except chill town

[@legorovers9838]

its perfectly fine for bob to constantly go on and on about how much he dislikes this era of basketball but when we say were done with the nineties we fommited a heinous crime

[@BIGOXMedia]

I don’t necessarily talk down in this era I just don’t enjoy it as much as I used to.

[@richardrawlins7803]

@@BIGOXMedia Ox I ain’t tryna just straight up call you out but you definitely complain about lack of defense, fundamentals and effort some what often.

[@richardrawlins7803]

@@BIGOXMedia I’m really surprised you didn’t somewhat agree with the removing of the corner 3. That would make great post scorers most valuable as well as mid range guys. You wouldn’t have guys like Max Strus or Malik Beasley who are only providing floor spacing value off basic catch and shoot. No corner 3 means you need only your best movement pull up shooters taking them.

[@Pradafiendd]

@@BIGOXMediathat’s cap you def talk down

[@j_the_don5160]

Basketball. The only sport where the game gets worse the closer to the present you get.

[@slojo404]

Cap

[@qupope6955]

????? You think the sport in the 2000s is worse than the 70s??

[@BlkStar99]

@@qupope6955He’s not saying that but that’s the way that oldheads frame the sport

[@BlkStar99]

All the old players can do what the current players do but God forbid you say that a player like Steph could play in the 90s

[@richardrawlins7803]

@@BlkStar99 that’s the root of the problem that isn’t being addressed enough. Alot of this is simply the younger generation fighting back against the old heads blasphemous takes on how the game is played today. Along with their clear bias and nostalgia that alters how they remember the game being played back then.

[@AceTheCap823]

I can’t believe the amount of pple that don’t understand that this trend is just to give the same oldhead energy back to the oldheads and are actually takin this shit seriously💀💀

[@leechrec]

It's more a created distraction from the issue of Lebron's alleged PED use as insinuated by KG. The timing is impeccable.

[@tyrellmckinney456]

Ticket woulda been perfect for this episode

[@VForbes]

Nah, he would just yell and over talk everyone

[@JackoVX]

Ticket would actually be the worst possible person for this cause he would look like the silliest person in the show while degrading the quality with his megaphone as voice

[@ktdottfc]

Nah Domo and ticket would pop blood vessels if that happened😂

[@theprophet9656]

​@JackoVX this the funniest ticket comment. I imagined his mouth turning into a giant megaphone and yelling 😭😭😭

[@chrisptophu]

Ox couldn’t even be mad when swipa said Malik monk would be an all time great in the 90’s😂😂

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Marz was on TIMING today I ain't know he was gonna push the full dub agenda 🤣🤣🤣

[@MarzTalksSports]

Gotta let these oldheads know what it is. WE DONE WITH THE 90s

[@Will_N2441]

​@@MarzTalksSports the funny thing is that my brain assigned Dub's voice to your comment when I was reading it in my mind 🤣

[@nh_flex8922]

These convos make me wish ticket was here

[@yrgln7416]

What even happened to ticket I never see him on here any more

[@MarzTalksSports]

People really crying that WE DONE WITH THE 90s

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

@MarzTalksSports it's mostly the older generation complaining about today's NBA product.

[@HOWDY789]

Marz do you know what the league average mid range percentage was then compared to now?

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@HOWDY789 they only track from 97 and they dont have a league average but itd be around 39-43%

[@tkbaku3036]

You cooked the entire time, it’s actually said how delusional they are

[@michaelhines3330]

@MarzTalksSports we need you to watch and narrate the 1st quarter of the '96 finals 😂 it was TRASH and overrated basketball.

[@pemp9606]

Marz is like that little kid spamming “No you!” When he’s losing an argument 😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

WE DONE WITH THE 90s

[@pemp9606]

@@MarzTalksSportsWE DONE WITH THE 2010’s REAL BASKETBALL IS COMING BACK

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pemp9606 WE DONE WITH THE 1940-2010s

[@richardrawlins7803]

How do you even come to this conclusion😭😭 the guy is up there making point after point and Chill and Ox are either slightly changing their stance on the topic or changing the subject

[@PraiseObito]

He was literally cooking the entire time. He had Chill and Ox looking silly.

[@BeanHoopz]

i truly don’t understand why older basketball fans can’t accept evolution of the game every other sports discourse i partake in ppl are able to understand that the newer generation of players will be better not in basketball where players get worse somehow

[@LegendOfWingstop]

I don’t think that’s the issue..they accept evolution....it’s the disrespect of older basketball players

[@BeanHoopz]

@@LegendOfWingstop but ox can sit here and talk about how watered down the sport is now and every gripe he has with current basketball but god forbid we do the same double standards everywhere

[@LegendOfWingstop]

I agree with that..I’m just saying we shouldn’t disrespect the game as it is now or how the game was in the 40s-90s..to me saying “done with the 90s” is disrespectful

[@breyonhopkins4795]

​@LegendOfWingstop look on any post and every old head say they are "not watching the NBA anymore because of this Era" Look at all the Bron hate. These old niggas hate every 5 seconds

[@Jadyn-jadyn]

Mars made some hall of fame barbecue chicken

[@al9hcb3]

That shit was trash

[@harissonbond7499]

It was Trash takes

[@julians7578]

I don’t think people are actually done with the 90s, the lowlight clipping is completely disingenuous. But as far as discussing the decade as the golden age of basketball, it’s valid to revise that part of the conversation

[@rctrucking1806]

I agree but there’s a guy who actually played a 5min stretch of the 96 finals and it was terrible

[@El_TigreNegro]

Idk why people are acting like this is something new, I remember people criticizing the 90s in 2002 when Jordan was on the Wizards

[@alexactable3009]

Best episode in panel history

[@legorovers9838]

chill is so disingenuous saying the nuggets were losing cuz they were shooting threes. like just ignoring everything else

[@MarzTalksSports]

WE DONE WITH THE OLDHEADS

[@ChristianWelch-rq9rv]

My take on the whole “Done with the 90s” talk I think we can appreciate what the game gave us conceptually (winning with a wing player, the emergence of 3 pt shooting, the idea of trying to maximizing spacing) while also realize that’s since the skill set was in its infancy it just not as good as it is today plus greatness will always be greatness no matter what era it is

[@Rip_JahCraft]

SPOTTING UP at the deep midrange instead of taking a single step backwards and shooting or spotting up at the 3pt line is like eating cereal with a fork, less bang for your buck

[@EasyMoneyMid]

Mmmmmm you spittin

[@UNDERGROUNDSKOOPTV]

Ppl like you are dum 🤣 increasing a shot difficulty to add 1 extra point…with a whole quarter left to go. I rather take the easier 2 any time. Not everyone is splash bros fool

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@UNDERGROUNDSKOOPTVthis is so stupid on so many levels. that 1 extra point is a 50% increase in value.

[@michaelhines3330]

WE DONE WITH THE 80s and the 90s! When you go back and watch actual games, it's overrated asf‼️💯

[@bigpoppa6658]

So name your top10 of all time

[@Lo_2xx]

I’m 22 and I’m saying we not done with the 90s respect the history of the game 💯💯💯💯

[@Masanobu24]

@@Lo_2xxhope in humanity 😂

[@michaelhines3330]

@@Lo_2xx I respect the older generation. I just don't respect that oldheads think that it's so superior to today's league. That's just wrong when you watch actual games.

[@michaelhines3330]

@@bigpoppa6658 my top 10 all time isn't based solely on who is "more skilled." Cuz you still have to respect what that person did IN their era. This entire movement is just about exposing the lies about the older generation of basketball. They keep saying that it's so much better and more physical, etc. But when you watch footage that's not the case. My top 10 all time is LBJ, Mike, Kareem, Magic, Tim Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Larry Legend, Steph, and Bill Russell.

[@devypoo11]

I usually agree with Marz in his takes but this “WE DONE WITH THE 90s” talk is hurting my brain. Man is becoming a villain.

[@MarzTalksSports]

if u dont agree with me then u in denial. WE DONE WITH THE 90s

[@KByrd80]

He’s becoming like Ticket

[@xMr.Agenda]

Marz cooked them had them contradicting themselves

[@richardrawlins7803]

Chill and Ox were in shock once he started getting off the take about removing the corner 3 😭😭 they said fuck the whole convo this boy is absolutely COOKING🤣🤣

[@jjopl]

Without the corner 3 the nuggets might never lose a game 😭 unbeatable dynasty

[@taquaywhite4503]

43:46 chill comparing three seconds to illegal defense in the 90s is laughable. There is a difference between being required to go 3 feet and having to let someone play 1v1 or commit to a double team

[@Ace-fe8gc]

Basketball karma has finally hit! I respect the 90’s but far too many ppl for far too long have tried to discredit modern day players saying they wouldn’t survive the 90’s

[@tyriantaylor711]

It goes both way , The Modern NBA fans don't respect the 90's

[@Suge8263]

​@@tyriantaylor711 I agree

[@Ace-fe8gc]

@@tyriantaylor711 nah man nobody ever disrespected the 90’s until people kept downplaying the modern era.

[@bigpoppa6658]

@@Ace-fe8gcdo you like listen to your grandpa telling you stories and believe him or do you believe an army of tiktok nba casuals who dont even know their gender

[@Ace-fe8gc]

@@bigpoppa6658 I watch the games and study the film. I’m not saying 90’s is trash. I’m saying the former generation can dish it but can’t take it. We can’t even acknowledge todays players w/o someone saying “ all they do is shoot 3’s” “they wouldn’t survive hand checking” “the game is soft today”

[@El_TigreNegro]

Ox's reaction to taking away the corner three was the same reaction they had in the 70s when they added the three point line 😭

[@cjvinson629]

The 3 point line has been around since 1979. Someone thought it was a good idea to add it. Fine. Question, why the hell didn't one team build around it? Serious question. Like, why not maximize it by learning how to shoot?

[@Kidkinsey]

Knocking the ball off the rim is type wild. Imagine doing that to kawhis 2019 game winner 😭😭

[@Edd_LShore]

So let me understand this argument. The 90s were the most popular (cause of MJ) but for the "lifers". Nowadays, the NBa is less popular... But at the same time everything "for the casuals". What the f is that argument lol. On the contrary, more popular means more casuals paying attention. This isnt even up to debate

[@bigmo3692]

This is what happens when you take a troll too far lmao i blame tiktok Nba

[@MarzTalksSports]

No this is what happens when oldheads can diminish and disrespect the nba product for so long unchallenged as if their game was the holy grail. now the energy gets flipped on them and they cant take it. they got noone to blame but themselves

[@clad_diamond]

​This most pointless topic ever jason tatum is better than tmac and lebron and kobe. Yall glaze the 2000s. Were done with 2000s and 2010s. ​@@MarzTalksSports

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@clad_diamond DONE WITH THE 2010s

[@bigmo3692]

@@MarzTalksSports Your points would have been made better if they weren’t based in spite lmao you couldnt even answer half the questions you just said “AHA THATS CRAZY BUT WERE STILL DONE WITH THE 90s” cmon marz I respect you but that was childish

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@bigmo3692 lmao i answered and explained everything i said. the only thing i didnt 'answer' is when instead of talking basketball they started talking about why the history of the world matters and my ancestors. everything basketball related i answered and explained.

[@vdeeej]

I really dislike how dense the older guys are acting. We aren’t forgetting the 90’s and everything they’ve done, but rather taking the 90’s off the high pedestal and comparing them as we compare and critique modern ball

[@slojo404]

Ion think the 90s was trash but definitely overrated

[@bigpoppa6658]

Compared to what? Have you ever watched a full game? Kids today only know the NBA from tiktok highlights and 99% of the genz dont even know the difference between men and women

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

@@bigpoppa6658The ‘90s is super overrated

[@bigpoppa6658]

@@user-xb4fm5rx8h the playoffs just started and this super duper skilled, best shooting era all of avg 96 points/game, shooting 29% from 3. 🤣 the regular season in todays game is a joke. Nobody is playing defense, that's why numbers are inflated. Lebron avg his career stats but not affecting the game as he used to is the best example. In the 90s and early 2k, players were serious about the game, just as respect for the fans alone.

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

@@bigpoppa6658 the offensive skill set was a joke in the ‘90s. The only real scorers outside of Jordan were big men. The 2000’s is my favorite era anyway. If it wasn’t for Iverson, I don’t think I woulda been a hoop fan growing up.

[@rlh12345]

@@bigpoppa6658 Playoffs finished 35% on 33 attempts a game. 113.6 offensive rating. regular season offensive rating was 115.3. The change isn't that great. Yes the intensity goes up in the playoffs, but it's not some crazy amount different.

[@tommycapone8926]

Smoking the 90s pack after today episode boa boa

[@devinsmart1547]

“STOP SAYING ILLEGAL DEFENSE!” Yall cooked😂

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Try harder trolll

[@tayluc777]

Marz got the most guzzlers, he can always troll as a way to get a pass from the public too, he mastered the stupidity of others.

[@MarzTalksSports]

its not a difficult concept

[@tayluc777]

@@MarzTalksSportsI actually agree with a lot of points you make, you just nasty

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@tayluc777 i know,its fun

[@DirtyDev]

After further analysis and researching to truly understand the “We done with the 90s” sentiment, I’ve finally come to embrace it. WE DONE WITH THE 90s🗣️💯

[@runn-n]

WE DONE WITH THE 90s‼️‼️

[@peterguidry6084]

I believe impact and length of time is the criteria for being a part of a decade This means if you won a Title in this decade you are a part of it If you played 5 or more yrs in that decade you are a part of it If you get at least 2 first All NBA teams in that decade, then you are a part of it Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Mutombo, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing all played 7 or more yrs in the 90s 2 of the Top 5 Greatest centers Ever played in the 90s in Hakeem and Shaq and David Robinson is somewhere close Arguably the greatest player in Jordan is in the 90s Tim Duncan played 3 yrs in the 90s and although he didn't play at least 5 yrs in the 90s, he won a Title in 99, leaving an impact on the 90s. So therefore Duncan is a part of the 90s. That is your greatest power Forward Ever Charles Barkley and Karl Malone is in conversation as the second greatest power Forward ever....even if someone wants to argue KG or Dirk Some of the greatest Defenders ever came out of the 90s. Pippen, Olajuwon, Rodman, and Mutombo are regarded as such John Stockton still leads in All time Assists over Kidd and Nash Gary Payton is still regarded as arguably the greatest defensive point guard ever Every top 30 greatest players Ever List has at least 7 to 8 players from the 90s on it. This is the most or tied with the most in an Era than any other Era People place Kobe and TMac over Clyde Drexler but I would pause on TMac. TMac was more skilled than Drexler but availability is more valuable than someone with skill but has injuries or is not available to play alot. Drexler at least led his own team to the Finals in Portland Penny Hardaway can go toe to toe scoring with most point guards in 00s and 2010s Mitch Richmond was putting up stat lines similar to De' Aron Fox in today's game Grant Hill was one of the most well rounded players Chris Weber, Reggie Miller, Chris Mullen, Glen Rice, Latrell Sprewell, Joe Dumars, Shawn Kemp all played in the 90s Tim Hardaway was one of the original ankle breakers with his crossover before Allen Iverson came into the league. Iverson just miss the cut on being part of the 90s because he made only 1 first All NBA team.

[@KANYETHEGIANT228]

Points going up is making ratings worse. Normie basketball.

[@Edd_LShore]

Back to back championships means bad competition, not good teams. In the 80s you hap bunch of great teams and back to back were almost impossible.

[@TJones4L]

Marz was deep frying everybody y’all threw at him 😂😂

[@cobemontana]

Facts

[@OnlyHoops15]

what happened to that ticket dude .. he still on the show!???

[@Suge8263]

Marz is really unlikable...and this whole we done with the 90s is just corny

[@MarzTalksSports]

U just realising that?

[@Suge8263]

@@MarzTalksSports naw it's just like brh you make some good takes here and there. But your tone and attitude makes its hard to watch at times. I know you a kid and you you from the UK so might not understand how u come across or maybe u do. Idk I just wish u would mature a lil bit

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Suge8263im sarcastic im condescending u dont like me thats fine. many people dont. will i change probably not but who knows

[@Suge8263]

@@MarzTalksSports by why be on a public platform tho? Like I said you can give a good take here and there. But my guy I'm really not trying to disrespect you but damn man it get kinda annoying at times

[@GodSon91]

Marz always been a young clown 🤡 with bad takes lol

[@solliejunior]

Marz had these old heads shook. They so in denial about the shooting & defence in the 90’s. That was an MVP performance from marz👏🏽

[@reimeralgabre2986]

Not Chill but the reason this trend is justified and enjoyable is those old heads and old players who talk trash and can't accept that the game has evolved and is better today. Now they are crying that it's disrespectful. 💀

[@kobetgod]

The 90’s talk is a lebron getting exposed taking juice distraction

[@elitemidrange]

Let’s call a spade a spade. This whole “we done with the 90’s” thing is just a facade for a Lebron is the goat agenda push (at least that was the creators intent). The guy who makes those tik toks is a Lebron guy, he’s basically just trying to discredit Jordan’s era in order to elevate Lebron. It’s the same tired Lebron vs Jordan debate, just different wrapping on it. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

Noooo, this is a topic because the oldheads discredit EVERYTHING the younger players do. When the younger fans keep that same energy y’all niggas get offended lol

[@samcool4350]

That is not true. Y’all can’t shoot.

[@elitemidrange]

@@samcool4350 who is y’all?

[@cleasanna05]

no, its also people who study the game and can objectively see that 90s was the weakest era for player talent and competition. The game has evolved and players are better, it is what it is. The 90s is so protected because MJ still makes money for a lot of people, has nothing to do with 90s being better basketball because it wasn't

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

The ‘90s was unwatchable and trash without Jordan. Cut the bullshit, and expansion was a major part on why the league was so bad. The skill set isn’t as high as the modern players.

[@MrTenInHell]

Devin Booker would be a MVP in the 90s everything he does is perfect for that era.

[@Jay-tm8vy]

We miss ticket

[@odotmdot]

Nah. This episode was great. Ticket would’ve ruined it to high hell.

[@ArySuri]

WE DONE WITH THE 90s!!!!

[@Will_N2441]

2:04:15 OMG DOMO HAD ME DYING 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That would be INSAAAANE

[@_lamar5059]

We needed NarativeTv for like 15 minutes lol the trolling is crazy! This era may be the most skilled but you gotta mention the rule changes because that’s the reason for a lot of all of this. Elgin Baylor was “Eurostepping” but they called travel. And this era might be the dumbest of all. IQ is never mentioned! A lot of players who shoot threes today shouldn’t be! As someone born in 91 I think the era that’s most enjoyable is the 2018-2016. I enjoys todays game and don’t really see a need to compare without being honest . A lot of nuance is missed in these conversations.

[@BlkStar99]

The main reason I believe the 90s is the time period getting brought into this is because of the idolization and hating from oldheads. The 2000s players aren’t getting flak like this because Kobe, AI, KG, Tim, Nash, Dirk, etc., are appreciative and respectful of the genre so people don't just clown them. Respect to you though for not hating the current day

[@_lamar5059]

@@BlkStar99 but is it really that much hate from the older guys? I know a few have said some things but I don’t think it’s that much. And some of it is warranted, like the lack of competition sometimes and low IQ.

[@BlkStar99]

@@_lamar5059 Oh some of it is definitely warranted. There are flaws in players today for sure. The problem is you have old heads that will mythologize the 90s when a lot of them didn’t even watch it the way they say they do. People will criticize players for “not playing defense” even though players are still playing D. The eras should be acknowledged for their own positives and negatives without comparison imo.

[@_lamar5059]

@@BlkStar99 I agree

[@legendarywiimaster]

⁠@@BlkStar99AI got not respect for the modern game, that’s total BS. He said that he’d average 43. He would be cooked, he was constantly a top 5 WORST defender in his prime. Today’s players would do this: Trae: shoot I got Tyrese Maxey on me. Ay Clint, come set this screen for me so I can get AI on me. Not to mention AI’s huge ego and his lack of a work ethic which would translate to him not shooting threes, which as a six foot guard, doesn’t work in today’s league unless you’re an elite defender, which AI isn’t

[@Rman237]

Hopefully y’all don’t run this stupid ass 90s/current era argument to the ground. Especially when one side of the argument is just trolling

[@ScoutsHonor.]

This wouldn’t happen if old heads didn’t make Jordan seem like God. Yall propped him up like he had no flaws. He never lost and etc etc. yall critic every player but him, Larry bird and Magic. So here we are now. The noble men killing off your gods. Taking them off their thrones.

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@BryantBrady-xy4yv exactly.

[@ball4life27]

​@@BryantBrady-xy4yvweak competition

[@Blearysine]

Day 19 of asking for a throwback episode consisting of just Shaq, Del, Euro, Host JD, Panelist Ron, Dub and Marz.

[@MarzTalksSports]

dub.....

[@kingad8869]

Marz vs the World. The Hero we don't deserve but the one that we need.

[@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011]

Mars is that dude who couldn’t guard a 12 year old at any local YMCA, calling people trash! There are literally hundreds of thousands of dudes in this country. Who never sniffed college ball. Who would put Mars near Uranus on the court. I can understand not liking a particular brand or style of basketball. But if you can’t even compete on a pickup or highschool level. I’m convinced that you shouldn’t be allowed to talk basketball. Period.

[@MarzTalksSports]

touched a nerve i see bud

[@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011]

@@MarzTalksSports I’d say I touched more of your nerves by you responding. Message!

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011lmao i respond to everyone u not special. u left a dissertation about me but u touched a nerve?

[@messagekeenenivorywayansvo3011]

@@MarzTalksSports neither are them ymca 12 years olds who would cook you on the court!🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BigSalmon13]

We’ve seen a person up there who has or was close to playing professionally say Allen Houston and Kiki VanDeWeghe are better than James Harden. Clearly how good you are at basketball has no bearing on how good your takes about basketball are.

[@jgreedo420]

This episode put Mars on the panel HOF. 1v4 and cooked everybody like bbq chicken 😂🔥

[@TheBlacklantern1]

If ticket was on this episode he would've had a meltdown But marz in the post ticket era has been going crazy

[@yagnn]

personally im done with the 2020s take me to 2030 rn

[@edenmccallum2684]

Marz deserves to be suspended….. chatting a bag of shit and have no respect for history ✌🏾

[@MarzTalksSports]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 cute

[@edenmccallum2684]

@@MarzTalksSports after watching this panelist Dion , I’m sorry marz. This youngster chat a bag of shit. Basketball I.Q -0.1

[@cjvinson629]

Nah Chill tried to sneak in 2 dominate teams in the 90s as a "bunch". Furthermore, how does anyone remember the 1990 season when they couldn't get 20 total games on television?

[@jackjohn325]

There were so many lies told in stream today.when chill/ox said all this current generation is has skill on end, in the 90s you had 5 defenders and really one guy that could put the ball on the floor in the starting 5. Ain’t that skill on one end. Ox literally said skill should include being able to put the ball in the floor and then says the 90s had more skill. The bulls, the best team of the 90s had like 2 people could put the ball on the floor. He is lying on his own point

[@shaeandchris_]

Taking away the corner 3 is crazy. Doesn’t make sense at all.

[@ddawg266]

WE DONE WITH THE 90S!!!!!

[@mrloose9541]

Just forget about debating with Marz when he’s in this mode 😂😂😂😂

[@baitedszn4105]

Marz woke up nd decided I’m gonna be more sassy , more passive aggressive , and extremely even more sarcastic today .

[@LegendOfWingstop]

Talking about eras.. The Time Machine logic is stupid lol if you put Fred VanVleet in a Time Machine and put him 1984 he would be a 3 time MVP…it would be smarter if u say Kareem was born in 2002, how would he look? With technology and innovation nowadays he would look amazing in today’s game..we’re not done with the 90’s. We’re done with Time Machine logic lol

[@retrey63]

That's facts bro. Too many nuances involved when you try do exercise the "what if" scenarios

[@ktdottfc]

These old heads really be loving that hypothetical nonsense. It’s common sense that the era that values the three ball a lot more than the 90s which leads to practicing it a lot more and using it as a bigger weapon than back then would objectively make shooters to today a lot better than the 90s. Yes there were shooters back then. It’s just that respectfully they were a lot worse than right now because of how the game was played.

[@runitback2back]

Anyone saying they're done with the 90's need to throw away their Jordans and Nikes. Lost the right to wear those

[@MrTenInHell]

90s basketball was worse than 80s,00s. 80s had incredible team basketball from Lakers, Pistons, Celtics. 00s had so many different archetypes and styles of play that you had something to enjoy. 90s is literally one on one basketball personified all the least successful players in this era are the 90s style players.

[@peterguidry6084]

I got a different take on it. 90s basketball was just different than the beginning of the 2000s In the 90s, the Western Conference was more competitive than the Eastern Conference but the Bulls was just the Best team in general between both conferences. By the early 2000s, I saw 5 things happen. 1. The Eastern Conference, although not quite as good as the Western conference in the 90s, was a better Eastern Conference than the Eastern Conference in the early 2000s The gap between the Western Conference and the Eastern Conference on competitive teams widened as a whole. Basically the Eastern Conference got worse (Negative) 2. The Defense stayed great or even better and physical ( positive) 3. There was a severe drop off in talent or star power at the center position outside of Shaq. Mourning for a couple of yrs. Eventually Yao Ming but had a short career. Mutombo, and Wallace were great defensively but Flawed Offensively. Center position (negative) 4. There was an influx of star power at the power forward position (positive) 5. Phoenix suns had a different style than the normal physicality with a high pace on offense but I won't say that is a positive or a negative because in the 90s....while most built their team off of centers, some built around their power forward, some had the shooting guard and some built around their point guard.

[@boubacardiallo5945]

Can you explain the difference between the 90s and 00-03?

[@peterguidry6084]

@@boubacardiallo5945 I just did. 1, 3 and 4 differentiated the difference between 90s and 00s and a couple of rule changes. Plus more stretch 4s in 2000s than 90s

[@Fearseblack]

Man this show took a hit

[@smokedawg3177]

On god and the numbers are down severely

[@leroyflex1258]

Hand checking was always used for players who would have their back turned to the defender. Players today face you more than backing you down. Hand checking is a foul now because players don’t post up or turn and use their hips in a post up motion. They will hesi stepback fade or floater. D wade took advantage of defenders in the 2000s because they wanted to be physical. If the defender is already being rough it’s easy to score. They have the tendency to swipe and slap arms and legs and miss the ball.

[@qualinteranzy7948]

Ox said he don't like players just going down the court throwing shit up😂😂then say that the early 2000s is his favorite 😂😂😂😂where the players were literally just throwing shit up at the basket and hoping it would go in

[@iSwitchLanes]

Teams shoot roughly the same % in the 90s as they do today. Difference is teams shoot 35 threes per game today whereas in the 90’s they were shooting 7. Today guys will pass up an open layup for a 3. Today everything is perimeter based. Yes they improved the long ball but low post presence was lost in the process. With the floor spacing guys dont have the inside presence to deal with that guys back then did. It was a different game.

[@latarickwilson1829]

This channel getting really bad now. It was getting better after ticket left but now the are just trolling too much. I thought they were supposed to be better than espn but it's not looking that way anymore. I don't care if you like the 90s or not . I don't care what era you think is the best but expected a hell of a lot less trolling. They even talk about the same old crap everyday just like espn.

[@retrey63]

The 1st part of the show when Marz was being obnoxious and annoying was a waste of time. Marz is a big advocate of "relative to era" and how things evolve through time. Hes too intellegent for me to listen to him for 2 hours trying to be funny and egregious about the 90s and how its so different.

[@MarzTalksSports]

it is different. it is worse. me judging players relative to era doesnt change that fact

[@retrey63]

@@MarzTalksSports shouldn't have said different* I meant worse*. Like we KNOW it's different... the whole WORLD is drastically different. But preference of which style of basketball someone prefers is just that. Preference. Just a waste of time arguing for 2 hours IMO that's all. Cos I know you just argued for the sake of arguing and to make the old heads realise how much they've mythified the 90s and below

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@retrey63 its not ab preference. objectively the game is better. offense more advanced,defense more advanced,games more gloablised,game gets more interactions,game draws more viewers on an average basis,more games are available. its not even close the games better. but yes pretty much that last sentence u said sums it up

[@retrey63]

@@MarzTalksSports idk I just can't get with the concept of it being "better". For example since pep came the premier league, more teams in England keep possession, play out from the back, etc. By the same metrics you used, people could say the premier league is the best it's ever been. However, I wouldn't look differently at someone who says "too much pointless possession it's so boring I prefer the 2000s" you know? Like ofc the floor for a bench warmer is MUCHHH higher now than ever cos of the globalisation of the sport etc but we have to use "relative to time"

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@retrey63 u can prefer something and it be worse. i prefer many things thats are objectively worse than other things. better and preference arent the same thing

[@javon1134]

They get to watch more ball today so they didnt see the foul baiting as much. Reggie used to kick his leg out and they blame new era for it. 🤣

[@legendarywiimaster]

Reggie was also a massive flopper too, MJ got more freethrows than Harden during his prime

[@kctootoxic4680]

Y’all need ticket back. Shaq come on man

[@KB-qk1ic]

You're done with the 90s when you can do a top 5 by position and leave the 90s out.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Steph,Russ,Nash,Kidd,Cp3 (Nash and kidd are 2000s players) Kobe,Wade,Harden,Iverson,Tmac (Kobe Tmac AI are 2000s players) Lebron,Kd,Kawhi,Carmelo,Tatum Duncan,KG,Dirk,Giannis,AD (Duncan kg and dirk are 2000s players) Shaq,Jokic,Embiid,Dwight,Boogie (Shaq is a 2000s player) I know u gonna be difficult with players drafted in the 90s but we know they advanced the game and left those 90s bums behind

[@peterguidry6084]

​@MarzTalksSports since you did a 2000s and 2010s list you can't take two Decades and compares it to just one decade which is 90s Take either 2000s vs 90s or 2010s vs 90s. Other than that do a combined 80s and 90s vs combined 00s and 2010s Or do an overlap 90s and 2000s vs 2000s and 2010s

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@peterguidry6084 no,he said i cant do an all time top 5 without the 90s i did it without anything from the 1900s and every player there is better than 95% of players from the 1900s,only exception is like a hakeem or MJ everyone else ass

[@peterguidry6084]

@@MarzTalksSports ok Hakeem and MJ absolutely I think David Robinsin, Charles Barkley and Karl Malone should be considered as well. Robinson was bringing teams to being a threat by himself like Hakeem was Barkley and Malone would give KG and Dirk a run for their money for being the second best power forward ever Shaquille O'Neal spent at least 7 yrs in the 90s and was already considered a too 50 greatest player ever after a couple of yrs in the league Clyde Drexler might be below those shooting guards like Kobe and TMac and Iverson but he should probably be somewhere close He brought his team to the Finals when TMac couldn't and might be on the same level because of that as Iverson

[@KB-qk1ic]

@@MarzTalksSports so you couldn't do it and you tried to claim that players drafted and making all stars and all NBA selections in the 90s aren't 90s players. You're full of shit and you know it. Tatum and Carmelo are not better than Bird(80s player). Also, gtfoh mentioning Cousins and Dwight over Olajuwon and Robinson. If you truly believe that, they need to remove you from the panel

[@theprophet9656]

This was an all time episode. Miss ticket because ticket would have lost his shit 🤣🤣🤣

[@ornandowatford6539]

I think the next time everybody meets up. They should physically show Mars the differences in play between eras

[@Drew1355]

Marz cooked them. 90's was my favourite era but their is no comparison in skills.

[@bambam0284]

7:35 chill, I love the brotha but he in full old-head mode rn lmaoo

[@clad_diamond]

You guys realy talk about a whole episode about the 90s before my pelicans.

[@andrewross7780]

WHERE TF TICKET GOD DAMN SHAQ DROP THE BEEF HANDLE THE BULLSHIT AND BRING BACK THE PANEL THE ORIGINAL PANEL THAT STARTED THIS SHIT

[@DameFreshTV]

Its so funny to see Marz explain things logically and have them intentionally misunderstand him.

[@TheSwish_]

That’s bekuz ox is 6 foot 9 and ain’t got no real jumper

[@leechrec]

What the young heads fail to realize is that their silly claims still don't change the fact that today's NBA is CHARMIN SOFT. 😂

[@AX5Terminator]

The game in the 90s was operating closer to the basket. When they shoot a long mid range jumper, they've already made that separation. If they had to step back again to the 3 point line, they would give the defender a chance to regroup and contend your shot. Nowadays, they would be running around and setting themselves or a teammate for open 3s. An open 3 has a higher chance of going in compared to a contested 3. The math works out now, but it was still trying to work itself out back then. So you can't blame everybody for being dumb if the percentages haven't been worked out yet.

[@MarzTalksSports]

it was always common sense they just didnt have it

[@AX5Terminator]

@MarzTalksSports no it's not. If the Stats haven't been worked out yet, then how can you say it's common sense? They didn't know how playing a 3 point focused game would do the players statistics. Especially back then, they weren't training and scouting for 3 point shooters. You'll have to invest time on coming up with brand new game plans to play around the 3 ball while also acquiring and training players to shoot the 3 ball on an unproven strategy.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@AX5Terminatorit shouldnt have had to be figured out. i couldve been 5 years old and known 3>2

[@AX5Terminator]

@MarzTalksSports 3 > 2 isn't the only variable... it's the percent chance of going in that also counts. 0% at 3 is worth nothing. They haven't worked out the percentages yet, and coaches haven't taken a chance at drawing plays to maximize 3s and to scout 3 point shooters.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@AX5Terminatorcos they were dumb

[@runitback2back]

Luca would be scared to get close to the rim in the 90s

[@AuburnFanSince2010]

WE DONE WITH THE 90s!!

[@loathfluctuation1191]

The old heads are too sensitive and the new fans dont know shit like man they be talking about 2010s like that was the best era because they saw Steph revolutionize threes but in every era there was something revolutionized in 70s it was the hookshot 80s had crazy ass passes 90s had the mid range in the 2000s it was the rise in flashy skills and the 2010s had 3s now in this decade we gonna see rise of the big men like wemby and chet with crazy stats and they still gotta learn things from the 70s 80s 90s etc game always evolves but that doesn't make the old gens any less like in this era players like kareem, yao , hakeem would thrive