We Tow 14,000 lbs With the 2020 GMC Sierra HD AT4 Off-Road Truck - But What SURPRISE Are We Towing?

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[@imemovengeance]

To me GMCs look better than the Chevys

[@anotherrandomtexan25]

A rotting fish looks better than the Silverado's face...

[@StrykerWolf92]

I think it would be safe to say that to almost everyone the GMC's look better lol

[@chrishill6788]

GMC is supposed to be the truck version of Buick so its about 10 percent more for same truck. Too bad the Denali still pales compared to the top of line rams on wood trim vs plastic and uconnect

[@InfamousElGuapo]

@@chrishill6788 That tablet for the infotainment system is ridiculous. In this age where everyone is distracted by electronics, why put in a display that you have to look down off the road to use? Stupid!

[@willb3018]

But at least the Chevy looks better than it did.

[@mikec3454]

That is a beautiful truck! Really liking the new 2020 HDs from GM...

[@zmc6774]

Mike C Me too. They are gorgeous

[@JesseBeahm]

Looks like they ripped off the tundra

[@DeezNuts-sx9jd]

Mike C the Sierra I like but can't stand the HD Silverado

[@mikec3454]

@@DeezNuts-sx9jd You know I wasn't a fan of the Silverado at first - both 1500 and HD. However, certain trim levels and colour combinations have started to grow on me.

[@chrispy841]

Mike C me too! Especially the new ones with the larger bottom from headlight lens. Im still not crazy about the real thin lens, but this new style has really grown on me. At first i hated them. Now to me the 2500 and 3500 has a real big intimidating front end. Also im loving the new il 6 duramax in the 1500.

[@davehoward2791]

I'm not big on tech but that 'transparent trailer' camera getup is absolutely the bomb. Well done, GM.

[@alexs3187]

I’m really liking that Summit White AT4

[@rkalla]

Was thinking the same thing.

[@joshtakacs9800]

Friggin beautiful truck! Glad the touchscreen is just as unresponsive as the one in my 2016. 😁

[@owenbrunet1279]

@GoneDroning my 2019 was like this too i'm chevy,gmc for life but man they need to fix this crap

[@BReese504]

@@owenbrunet1279 My buddy just got a 2020 1500 sierra slt and infotainment is very smooth now.

[@anotherrandomtexan25]

I wonder if you'll be able to see your egr, water, trans temps on that heads up display with the diesel's that'd be pretty damn useful! I'm also wondering if they purposely made the gmc look better in order to boost sells of the Sierra...

[@banksweaver3964]

Jo k.

[@snowmanwithahat]

Stop asking for a diesel power wagon. I have a Cummins, you don't want a truck with 5,000 lbs over the front axle off-road. You also don't want a diesel that can only tow 10k pounds. It's limited to that by the soft suspension, "so put airbags on or stiffen the springs" ... Then you'll just have a sticker package with a rough ride, little flex and an on-road design. It would be nothing more than a sticker package with some lockers, like the AT4, like the Ford Tremor. The suspension capabilities of the Power Wagon is one of the defining features of it, combined with the unlocking sway bar, coil springs, locking diffs and winch make it far above and beyond these Ford or GMC competitors. You compromise any of those 4 things and you're going to have a disappointing on-road truck with a sticker package.

[@christopherbrown1391]

Matt France totally agree with u

[@philllsxga.7737]

Exactly! I'm a big off roader and back in my day I watched a S 10 blazer and a 1500 Z71 easily go places in mud that a F350 powestroke couldn't go! And the F 350 had two sizes bigger than stock tires!!

[@linger2001]

They should stick the 3L Ecodiesel in the Power Wagon

[@boduke9428]

Then why not make it a half ton truck? I know the half tons don't have a proper front axle. I mean simply derate it like they did the mega cab 1500. The problem people have with it is it being called a HD and having no HD capability.

[@philllsxga.7737]

@@boduke9428 what do you mean by a proper front axle???

[@inmyimage1081]

Really wish they had talked to some fifth wheel haulers to find out that we don't want the exhaust pointing at the front of our front storage compartment door.

[@ssk3204]

Hopefully by 2022 GM will address all the shortcomings. Mechanically its great but all the little things makes it fall short of an excellent truck.

[@tamiymyisrael8548]

One of my favorite episodes.... very good job!!!.... this narrows my choices for my next truck.

[@procharged67]

The GMC is just perfect , They killed the silverado front end it Terrible

[@canihavealongnamepleasebos4507]

Procharged67 It grew on me, I used to hate them but now I love them

[@dank8017]

@@canihavealongnamepleasebos4507 I agree especially after seeing them in person. I wouldn't hesitate to drive one

[@BullittKid08]

This is usually the case with GM vehicles, polarizing at first but they grow on you. It's something different to look at and not a carbon copy of the competition. So many segments (like compact crossovers) look the same with different badges.

[@thehunter9149]

Can I have a long name Please boss same! I think I’m gonna get one

[@humungustrike4497]

Passed a Silverado HD the other day and it’s looks better in person. Not as good as the GMC but, nice in its own way.

[@ronniekotler9265]

One of the best videos I’ve watched on the new GMC thank you

[@polarischevy05]

Get us some 6.6 Gas content! Please!!!!

[@toofastnobrakes]

Ram doesnt put a diesel in the power wagon so they can conserve weight. It can have a softer suspension and better articulation. The cummins is heavy af

[@wildbill23c]

You could get a diesel in the "Power Wagon" just buy the 3/4 or 1 ton Ram and have the Power Wagon graphics and accessories added, but it would severely lesson its capability I'm sure with the added weight of the diesel.

[@mpd42781]

Can you ask the Engineers who's bright (dumb) idea it was to eliminate the adjustable pedals from the 2020's? Also, for $70-80k, why don't they include the power-adjustable steering wheel found in the Escalade? You'd think at this price point, that would be standard!

[@aussiek2000]

My pedals haven't moved in 3 years of owning the truck, still at lowest position. Steering wheel never gets moved in and out either,

[@DeltaSierra426]

@Matt France - Nailed it. Engineering is VERY complex and well-thought-out these days on American pick-up trucks. Throwing the 6.7L Cummins in the Power Wagon changes its formula end-to-end. The Power Wagon simply needs an optional supercharged 6.4L Hemi or upcoming 7.0L Hemi V8. Yes, mileage will suffer compared to a diesel option as well as max tow, but the Power Wagon is a true off-roader, unlike the Trail Boss and AT4 which are just marginally off-road enhanced trucks. In smaller off-roaders where towing, cooling, and other heavy-duty beef isn't needed, light diesels make a lot of sense for their low-end torque and efficiency, where only a few hundred extra pounds of engine mass doesn't kill front suspension capabilities.

[@thomaspaul2465]

Nice review Roman👍

[@smcox1991]

That response of the camera was great 😂🤣😂🤦‍♂️

[@photohum]

I love the side markers!!!

[@mlua02]

I own an AT4 3500 long box, I love it, great truck, I get up to 27 mpg with my bike in the back

[@choomkatcha]

Reminds me of why I dumped my 2015 Silverado for a 2019 Ram, their interior just looks and feels cheap and their electronic systems have constant issues.

[@notorious89]

Better off going to a ford

[@whistlinduramax7723]

There all shit! That's why you stick with the older stuff. Less electronics less problems

[@BullittKid08]

I had a 2014 sierra and never an issue in 137k miles. Still sits in my shop in case we need

[@cwikk660]

Awesome truck and a great upgrade from the pervious body style but I can’t get over how bad Roman keeps bashing GM. It seems like TFL are very biased against GM trucks. They say something good about the truck and then say that the other brands did it better. All I’m saying is that we need to keep these reviews unbiased. All manufacturers make mistakes and have problems. Anyway great review and I support TFL fully.

[@terryduncan31]

Roman is a Mopar fan.

[@lfsracer79]

7:45 0-60

[@drjhunter]

This content is why I subscribe. How is the 10 speed transmission? Smooth as silk I’ve heard

[@jazzpiper783]

Still can’t make a touch screen that works every time. Same problem on my 2017. Ridiculous for what these cost.

[@pryme2013]

My tundras touch screen works great.

[@stifflers69mom1]

Mr M my phone touch screen works great

[@EGGINFOOLS]

The Rams touch screen is really bad.

[@chrishill6788]

Android tablet 100 dollars and can have bluetooth obd2 adapter just mount it somewhere...that's what I do when I buy a basic truck. You can also replace the basic stereo stacks in some trucks with aftermarket Sony or kenwood that you into factory steering wheel controls

[@parkermj]

Same with my 2017 GMC Acadia. That screen sucks compared to my 2018 Ford F250.

[@turbojunki]

Never get a GM review without the constant mention of DODGE/RAM..

[@EDGEDMAX]

Make more of these videos with the 6.6 gas engine

[@natetoland7537]

Please

[@boduke9428]

Why? What person that can afford the diesel upgrade wants a less efficient, less capable truck? Those are sold far less for a reason.

[@toofastnobrakes]

@@boduke9428 not everybody can afford the extra 10k for a diesel but still want a nice truck. In my case i tow on average 13-15k ibs. Sometimes only 7k. And an hd gasser does great at that weight and doesnt hurt my wallet. Ive had diesels and they are super powerful. But its not worth the extra cost "for my case". Plus more expensive maintenance and fuel cost. Reguardless of better fuel economy in the diesel you wont save a penny from that

[@boduke9428]

@@toofastnobrakes I apologize, after rereading my comment realized how douchy it was. I wanted to say it would be less in demand for them to make the videos due to far fewer of them being sold to personal customers. Also that extra initial expense can come much closer to being recouped on resale than the gas equivalent.

[@toofastnobrakes]

@@boduke9428 its np I get that. But i think it would be in there interest to show all of the new powertrain options. There are cosumers for every option. And i know it will never out preform the duramax. But chevy designed the new 6.6 gaser for a reason. And im curious how well it preforms compared to the others in its segment.

[@jakehatch4883]

So I drive over that Jackson Hole pass on about a daily basis, during your testing did you guys take it over? How did it do? I’m bummed I missed you guys! I love your channel and would’ve loved to have met you guys!!

[@larrylucas5731]

Jonny's design is badass!!!! Build one...

[@davidhillbrand2302]

How does an eclosed trailer hauling a mid size pickup add up to 14,000LBS? Seems like it is about 9000lbs more realistically.

[@FordF-Super]

David Hillbrand that’s what I was thinking

[@drjhunter]

David Hillbrand they added ballast in the trailer as well to get to 14,000 lbs

[@wildbill23c]

Today's new math makes 9000lbs = 14000lbs.

[@smcox1991]

14,000 pounds with 6 lug wheels on the trailer? 🤔🤔🤔 Aka 5,200 pound axles

[@Kiddro22]

Marketing for the dummies who don’t know math

[@slatibaadfast]

Here's a tip from a retired long distance truck driver from Australia. if the vehicle is equipped with an engine or exhaust brake, USE the damn thing ALL THE TIME. towing or not towing. in the long run it will save you money on brake pads as it will extend their lives. America, the only place in the world that a 'hand brake' is called an emergency brake, drivers reuse to drive an automatic as a 'manual' to help reduce wear on the engine and exhaust brakes are for show.

[@Encourageable]

Handbrake. Haven’t heard that since the 70s when they moved it to the floor.

[@theworldaccordingtochris4370]

The towing weights are brilliant but the reason they can tow that much is the amount of gear ratios the new transmission has.

[@grandmasoffgridliving]

there seems to be some subtleties between the gmc at4 and the denali but also do the chevy 2500 hd along side the 2. Would love to see it!

[@mikec5820]

I love that part about visibility

[@joseramos7476]

Sweet truck

[@tytomlinson7831]

Great looking truck

[@mj23bama]

Awesome looking truck

[@k20insidecf]

You can still see the HUD with polarized shades, no issues.. I have the new HC 2500HD.

[@7171-Ws6]

Those black rims are boss

[@misaelcorral6217]

140000 puunds? That canyon weighs about 4500 pounds. I dont think that trailer will weight over 9000 pounds

[@mikec5820]

I was wondering about that too.

[@dchawk81]

I didn't take notice if the trailer is aluminum or not but my 24 footer weighs 3120lbs. So there's no way this combo is much over 10k if at all. Unless there's some sh*t behind that Canyon. Most of these trailers are rated at 9999 anyway because of CDL concerns.

[@BullittKid08]

14000 gcvw

[@kieransteele7223]

I bet they have steel plates and stuff in there too, they just put the canyon in for a prop and teaser.

[@misaelcorral6217]

@@dchawk81 exactly

[@mdocod]

7:22 To answer your question about where the Diesel for the power-wagon is... Putting a diesel in an off-road package truck is a terrible idea: 1. Weight: Heavier on the front end makes it more likely to dip lower on obstacles (harder smacks) when the weight is shifting/bouncing over rocks. More likely to break ball joints, steering linkage, rims, and tires. Less balanced weight (more up front) makes it less stable on obstacles. The heavier engine also puts more weight up HIGH making it less stable off-road. 2. Power band: Diesels put down power after spooling up a turbo. At low RPM this can take several seconds before delivering power, and several seconds to STOP delivering power after lifting the pedal. This is VERY BAD for offroad driving. A good ole fashion naturally aspirated small block V8 has way more instantaneous torque available at idle-1500RPM than a diesel, and the ability to quench that power output instantly by closing a throttle plate. For driving technical offroad situations that is FAR SUPERIOR. For yanking someone out of a ditch or rocking yourself out of a ditch, the NA Gas engine is a better solution all day long. Turbo Diesel's are much better suited to highway towing applications where their STEADY STATE CONTINUOUS BROADBAND POWER delivery is far superior (especially at elevation). On a trail, there is nothing "steady" about the power requirements or the power delivery of a diesel. The choice to keep a traditional gas engine in the Power Wagon demonstrates competence on Dodge's part. Ford would be smart to offer their new 7.4L gaser in an HD off-road edition, NOT the powerstroke.

[@jakesmith8366]

They "put a lot of thought" into the design of the truck...except...updating the interior center stack. However, I still love the truck, and plan on getting it one day.

[@clulessable]

Can someone explain a discrepancy I see in the video? At 1:45 the trucks sticker says the maximum payload is 2998 lbs. At 16:45 the placard hanging from the logs states maximum payload as 3862 lbs.

[@jmackinjersey1]

I do agree that the electronic disconnects and hidden winch are top notch on the Dodge Power Wagon. But I have a serious question. Why do you think that the solid front axle on the Dog is better than the IFS GM trucks when it comes to off-road situations? There are countless vehicles out there with IFS and/or 4 wheel independent suspension set ups that not only keep up with solid axle vehicles, but even exceed their capabilities, in both in stock form and heavily modified.

[@Will-W]

Those beautiful yellow side markers would be the first mod to go (if I could afford a GMC diesel less than 10 years old)

[@DoubleClutcher]

Would love to get my hands on one.

[@patriotarborist711]

Does the GM/Chevy HD trucks have the ability to adjust the gas and brake pedals?

[@JayDUB213512]

Nice truck

[@joseramos7476]

Beautiful truck

[@JeepCherokeeful]

So sweet! Damn!

[@duraflexllc4860]

Hey Nathan I have a question for you what’s the number of the color that you use to die your hair I like it

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Awesome review Roman. That truck looks like a beast. Thanks for sharing TFL.

[@joelamb8498]

Well how does it tow while loaded...well it's not a sports car but ya "its ok" lol!! 🙄🙄. Really reviews love it!!! Great really video.

[@kingsleyzissou5881]

I have absolutely no use for a truck but I would love the crew cab HD at4 in black

[@cranucci2188]

Can someone tell me why the 2020 fords and GMs are out but the 2020 ram HDs are not yet?

[@sexymarine29]

Wait till the 2024 hd rolls out even better than current model but still an awesome truck

[@wipatriot510]

Taking deliver of my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 this coming Monday(5-11-2020)...

[@EmeryJude]

I want this so badly.

[@rcracer641]

This seems to be a very nice truck. I have been wondering if anybody is going to make a small truck that is 4wd with a low stants (like the 91 s10) that a person can get into and out of with no problem. Everybody has gone to riding high on larger tires and higher ground clearance. It is not comfortable to get in and out of.

[@wildbill23c]

Nope everyone wants these bloated over-sized trucks to cruise the mall parking lot in unfortunately they left the working class out when the automakers stopped making simple compact pickups for actually using for work. Don't know about anyone else but you need a ladder to reach over the side of today's truck beds to get stuff in and out of them, pretty ridiculous.

[@NobleSpeedmotoworks]

Looks like the measurements were off a tad on the camera calibration for the transparent trailer.

[@entreptiles]

I'll tow more than rock climb down here in the south. Plus, I like black interior, easy to clean interiors. So AT4 for me.

[@NatureRecycleFlorida]

nice truck

[@andrewgarcia907]

By the sound of the conversation about the tires I’m assuming they still can fit very big tires

[@2k7duramax]

Apparently 37" fit nicely. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHjPZISfp7mJsM0

[@matts9352]

The single arm mirrors aren't bad, I prefer the dual arm on my 2016 Silverado, but please put them back at the bottom of the A pillar where they should be. I don't like them on the door nor do I believe them coming out of the door will not cause body damage over time with snow and ice getting in behind them. Where I live we'll be due our first snow fall first week of October and will have it through April, I guess time will tell...

[@jeromeaguiao4438]

For those of us who don’t tow but haul modern heavy 5000 lb truck campers, can you do a review on max payload with these trucks? IKE gauntlet mpg with heavy TC weight?

[@hunt6811]

But the trailer cameras are not included with the camera package

[@JeepCherokeeful]

There must be a c8 Vette in there! Awesome!

[@JeepCherokeeful]

Darn, that’s not cool!

[@chad59]

WOW!!! that black one is Dreamy!!! I have an 2018 Duramax Midnight Edition HD and love it but Jeez got me wanting this now.

[@TheHillbillyspecial]

Lt tires wear crazy fast if you use the truck as intended those duratracs would be toast in a year. Gm made a good choice on tires for the 2500 i think

[@artiaga1547]

This dude gets to test one of the best trucks on the face of the Earth and he still talking about ram even though this one's already been proven better in just about every category! and it's still American made baby!

[@mikefowler1313]

Love you guys but have to admit I'm not as excited to see new videos as o once was. Seems like same thing mentioned in video after video. I get need for content but how many times do I need shown block heater plug on GMC? That's just an example

[@thangngo6533]

Is that 4Runner limited rims??

[@smcox1991]

ToyoLover I knew I’ve seen those wheels before 😂

[@mohammednuredin4663]

I found on 2020Ford super duty order gide Trailer Tow Package (F-450) GCWR Reg Cab - 45,300 lbs Which means max towing is 37000 lbs

[@FordF-Super]

Mohammed Nuredin yes sir! Ford will once again spank everyone’s ass here real soon. Sept release date baby. Ford has sold a f-series truck every 23 secs, not one but two manufacturers combined can compete with those numbers

[@MrDukaman]

Wow huge numbers too bad Ford tots out like an old piece of Tim foil

[@beto46133]

@@FordF-Super Chevy sell more the difference is gmc sales and Chevrolet are counted apart

[@dmoreno762]

F450 is not a 3/4 ton truck. Not apples to apples.

[@marv8481]

Gm, please, PLEASE, stop making the front bumpers 4 inches off the ground. Anyone that buys a truck does NOT care about that extra 0.0002 mpg you get by having an air dam that scrapes the ground. First thing I did when I got my truck was pull that off and cut the tabs off, my wrx had better front bumper clearance then my z71. And anyone who has had a 2014 wrx knows what I’m talking about.

[@docrx1857]

I just saw a 2020 2500 AT4 at the dealership that had only 1400 lbs payload. I am trying to wrap my head around what options make a 1500 lbs weight difference between that truck and the one featured in this video.

[@docrx1857]

@Roscoe Dogg 100 percent. Talked extensively with the salesman about that truck, while I made fun of its tiny payload.

[@docrx1857]

@Roscoe Dogg I did not recall the GVWR it was the 1400 pound payload that stuck out to me. I'm going to assume that it has the same GVWR as the trucks you saw, and then it was just optioned out in some way that ate up another 1500 lbs

[@terryduncan31]

GM formed Allison decades ago. They sold off most of the company to the Carlyle group several years ago.

[@502ae502]

so at4= tires, shocks and skid plate? lol thats what they use to compeat with the power wagon?

[@wrzl1675]

It’s not just a branded by Allison. Allison adds a HD clutch pack ( critical for low RPM high torque) and specific tuning and cooling which has been the weak point for Ford and GM HD diesel pickups for many years.

[@nilsjohansson9739]

I have a hunch that GM diesel mechanics will be replacing quite a few fuel systems now that the Def fill is next to the diesel fill. It was not even a thought when the fill was under the hood. I know it sounds dumb, but a big issue in diesel land is putting Def in the diesel fill hole. The nozel is smaller and when you're not use to it, you got big problems!!! This happened to a close friend of mine and believe it or not, his insurance covered it...was called fuel contamination. Check that one out before you borrow your truck to someone.. like your spouse!

[@xlthumper]

I remember when it first came out and that was exactly why they did not have them together

[@alejandrorodriguez-lh6bs]

I just got stationed in Pensacola FL, I'm not very familiar with the area but I need a vehicle. Can anyone recommend a small reliable truck under 5k?

[@WilliamStewart1]

It would be nice if GM offered a PW competitor. Put the new Allison 10 speed behind the new 6.6 gasser, offer true locking front and rear diffs, upgraded transfer case, couple inch lift with more articulation, and a factory 15k Warn winch.

[@jo-wb6zs]

Ooooooh so the Off-Road AT4 is designed for mostly Towing.... glad he said that! ....alright then Tremor vs. Power Wagon it is then.

[@clinte9897]

I’d love to buy a power wagon! But there’s no way I’m spending that much just to buy some gas hog and have single digit mpg when towing. I also understand that the Cummins just is bad idea too. Why can’t ram build a super charged v8 or a hellcat motor that would give more power and better fuel economy. I am not spending 70k and get 12 mpg daily driving and 8 or 9 towing a camper. I can spend a little more and get the AT4 with duramax. Now just gotta figure how to add winch without messing with the front camera 🤔

[@mattbram8993]

Totally deflected the exhaust issue 😉

[@abramspearman9046]

Other than the mirrors I don’t mind it.

[@wwjd8172]

I like that red truck...sharp!

[@garageartmusclecars]

Do a video bumper pull 2500hd gas engine

[@razorsedgeadventures6599]

I think the new GMC HD is very striking from the outside, but that interior, especially for a top of the line Denali just looks 10 years old, especially compared to the new Ram.. I do like the heads-up display though.

[@dave194315]

Literally all I wanted from this video was to see the Gauge cluster under acceleration, but no romans face is more important

[@TFLtruck]

Our fault. Next time we’ll show the speedo.

[@alexs3187]

The Fast Lane Truck I would love to see how the 10 speed compares to the 6 speed pulling the same load in the same conditions. Accelerating, exhaust brake etc...

[@randybryant9936]

Nice

[@MrDukaman]

Wow. I love the AT4 HD. but we really want to see it on the IKE doing what it was made for TOWING huge loads Love your videos thx for sharing ....paul

[@mj23bama]

I alway watch TFL. Roman I noticed you are wearing a watch with a white band and a black face. Can you tell me the name brand of the watch. Not only am I buying a truck I would like to buy that watch also. I like the look of the watch

[@qball2000able]

Do you know what are the payload for both gas and diesel on the HD at4 trucks? Thank you.....

[@EGGINFOOLS]

@16:43 they show a quick shot of one of them.

[@qball2000able]

@egginfools thank you!

[@dandersonjr]

I traded in a 2016 GMC 3500 dually diesel for a 2020 GMC AT4. The visibility from inside this truck is much better than my old truck and I'm glad they lost the front air dam and raised the DEF tank. I see they have the cargo capacity on your video as 3862 lbs. Not sure how that vehicle is equipped but mine with the diesel and 4WD is only rated for 2400 lbs. Disappointing while looking at truck campers. Overall I really like the truck but that overhead camera is a little discerning. I feel like I'm being watched. Where does that view come from?

[@mgp-bct7723]

They need to upgrade to Falcon Shocks, NATO tires and manual dif lockers

[@rawpwr7]

Is the at4 2in. Lifted. Compared to the Denali?

[@rontopping2048]

No same height

[@ryanself2170]

Real review with that infotainment center lol

[@pryme2013]

Total junk

[@MightyThunderbolt]

you talk to them but never ask what happens when you open the upper tailgate step with a hitch in

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Why not use a real Allison tranny? Price? Or was allison not able to develop a 10 speed? Anyone know?

[@Encourageable]

Just priced one on the web. $71k. I’m sure you could get that down but still, that’s a lot of money.