Predictions for Final Time Trial | Tour De France 2024 Stage 20 | JB2

[@morobinson3125]

This podcast has been so good all Tour. I’ve quickly switched to waiting for JB2 over the move. Johan’s honest and educated takes on the racing has elevated the Tour coverage this year.

[@thru_and_thru]

I’m with 100% with you on that. I’ve abandoned the move completely after this year’s coverage. Can’t really deal with listening to Lance and George anymore and 60% of the show being advertisements from sponsors.

[@vladipp2850]

@@thru_and_thru totally agree, especially on too much disruptive advertising...

[@robotkiller99]

100% Analysis is much higher quality and non-biased. The Move has gotten weird this year.

[@thiago_branquinho]

Johan is great! His analysis is awesome!

[@shred3005]

The Move is total rubbish. A few gems of insight but a lot of prejudice and sad old guys reminiscing and telling us how good they were and how they would have done things differently in their day even though this is a different era (thank goodness) and technology, racing and competition has moved on

[@2slo856]

Good for Pogacar. There are no gifts in the TDF and last year's race is still fresh in his mind.

[@Chiller11]

This is the best TDF analysis on any media platform in my opinion. Johan brings a sophisticated international perspective that the US and even the UK analysts don’t bring. This year’s tour is almost a mirror image of last year with Jonas coming to the tour with reduced training schedule due to injury and a weaker team. Visma was ruthless in breaking Tadej down and he had to work through his own disaster on the Col de la Loze. Jonas wasn’t giving any gifts last year. My hope is that all 4 of the top guys come to next years Tour injury free and with full team support. That would be an epic tour.

[@Zooview5757]

Would love to see Jonas, Tadej, Roglic, and Remco healthy next Tour and with solid teams. Unfortunately, I doubt Roglic is still a contender if the other three are at their best and in good form.

[@ellenbrook2001]

hu hu what are you talking about, Pogacar as been the most idiot selfish on this tour yes he did take advantage of JONAS due to a very bad crash and Pogar did control all the tour never let anyone to win a stage now he as many enemies and a do hope he has a very bad crash next year before the tour then see how it will behave

[@tymanski1]

@@ellenbrook2001 time for your meds!

[@sonckad]

​@@ellenbrook2001 And Jonas last year was such a nice guy, right? 😊

[@tubetiz]

Broken wrist vs puncteres amd collapsed lungs with broken ribs.. Yeah, same level of injuries 23 vs 24

[@netw52]

I prefer this pod to the frat party. JB is a cycling encyclopedia.

[@CheKake]

Johan always gives a fair and unbiased opinion. He can see Pogacars Greatness

[@Rundismutti2001]

BS

[@CheKake]

@@Rundismutti2001 🤣🤡

[@VicenzzoCK]

Thank you Johan for backing up Pogi winning when he can. Others would do the same, no one would give tour win away.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Dumb. By your logic almost every breakaway win is “gifted” to the rider from the other teams

[@MrJimbo0298]

This show has provided such amazing analysis and insights - I can't believe it's almost over! I'm really going to miss it!

[@JB-pv1hw]

Johan is just brilliant

[@johnwalsh9285]

Thank you for all your time and work on the show

[@John-nx3dy]

Thank you so much for this show. It is the very best. This is the only Tour show I watch and recommend to everyone. Whatever agenda the guys on the other show have, I stopped watching it mid Tour. Considering their checkered past, they continually make most of the show about themselves and not the Tour. JBs you both are super. Thanks again.

[@kristorfffigaro]

Pogacar is the only rider that will get close to Merckx level in this generation of racing

[@Rundismutti2001]

wonder why ..............

[@agregaat]

he will by far surpass him.. remember this is not a generation where he is racing against full time plumbers and chimney sweeps, his wins in a super stacked pro field count way more

[@radekwilkanowski8299]

​@agregaat pogacar is not a generational talent, he is the talent of century. Watching him bike race is great.

[@segdoc]

@@Rundismutti2001salty much

[@bayareafoto]

Pogacar would have gain more time if he wanted to attack Jonas the last 1-2km. Letting Jonas win would also make Jonas looks bad. Giving Jonas a chance to sprint for the stage was the gentleman thing to do. Pogacar was just a level above Jonas this year.

[@elliotoliver8679]

Even led out which is normally not the best place to be

[@Rundismutti2001]

When you are on the juice, you can do whatever you want

[@out_spocken]

Enjoying the fresh less bias discussion and views on jb2. Asking questions rather than bias comments. #dig 👍🏻👍🏻

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Aww, does baby have a hard time hearing opinions different from their own? Grow up or hit the pause button

[@nb9797]

Judging from today's comments section, the viewership has expanded somewhat

[@striper112]

best tdf show,great job all tour JB and JB

[@J-cz7yv]

Cheers to Tadej! Hope he wins tomorrow too!!

[@BruthaVIII]

17:36 Pogacar is one of two people to win five mountain stages in one Grand Tour. The other cyclist, Gino Bartali, is vastly underrated. Bartali was leading the TDF in 1937 and had to withdraw after a terrible accident, that caused him to fall 10 feet off a bridge. Bartali won one TDF in 1938 (at 24), and won his second in 1948 (at 34) -- a ten year difference. But one must consider the fact that the TDF was suspended during World War II -- so Bartali did not get to race the TDF during, arguably, his prime racing years (25-31 ish yrs of age). But what he did during those years may very well surpass anything he did competing in cycling, saving many Jews from going to concentration camps in Nazi occupied Italy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iovNhnuVd7x9fLM

[@mariusmanoiu2228]

Bartali is a legend every true cycling fan heard about him and his rivalry with Fausto Coppi

[@akek76858]

Fantastic podcast. So glad I found this. Looking forward to the next instalments

[@BrianSimons-y6l]

I agree with others, this show is turning out to be much better then the Visma Fan Club show.

[@randywestman8095]

Thanks for doing these Johan! We know it's late nights for you but we really enjoy your insights.

[@mikeoc217]

Pogi is the King!! 👍🏻🚵🏻‍♂️🇸🇮💯🇨🇵

[@adamcurpier]

Love the combo of both of you! 👏

[@janefreeman995]

Mateo said sometime before the tour that a GT is a bit much for someone his size, so it successfully tested his metal. Good for him! I didn't have a favorite but I had a collapsed lung 20 years ago and still feel it, especially at altitude. So Jonas was amazing. I was actually surprised that Remco didn't have a stage where he dropped a bunch of time, so brava grande cajones! Wout had selective legs, lol. It was a perfect storm for Tadej to have so many wins. I do like Tadej and definitely cheer him on. I'm hoping Julian Bernard steals another quick kiss tomorrow. 😅 He sits at 22nd. Really good! I really like how all the jerseys are panning out! Loved it that Romain Bardet won the first stage and the campanarts win after so many breakaways on so many tours. 😊

[@beerbezarba3055]

Bravo POG !

[@royoser9956]

Another little Tadej Pogacar stat: Aside from being beaten on the line at Milan-San Remo by Jasper Philipsen, when he almost certainly would have won if Philipsen didn't get a major assist from Mathieu van der Poel, Pogacar has won every race he has entered in 2024: Strade Bianche, the Tour of Catalonia, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, the Giro, and now almost certainly the Tour.

[@thomaspetersen9991]

Thank For this Great Show 🇩🇰❤

[@adrianljumanovic6329]

Best show ever johan really gives such a great perspective top notch ! well done !!!

[@javierrivera6406]

Johan commentary is so good 🔥

[@MarioDallaRiva]

Grazie grazie, JB JB 👏🏼👏🏼

[@derpymoose9948]

Thank you for your coverage guys I have really enjoyed it!

[@jcmuellner]

Cavendish's pre-stage interview was really touching and spoke to the history and importance of the TdF to riders.

[@stanislavvrba]

Johan you are the best. Glad you not change your opinion because someone wants it, also I would like hear opinions why Mateo take 1 point from Richard

[@wranglercycling6420]

If the rest cannot cope with Tadej that’s the rest problem…! You do better next time and train harder perhaps improve and compete…! Tadej was awesome and hope he wins ITT

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Dumb

[@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145]

Well, it’s pretty hard to “train harder” with two punctured lungs, broken ribs and a fractured collar bone…

[@wranglercycling6420]

@@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145 guess what? Nobody cares

[@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145]

@@wranglercycling6420 You clearly cared enough to write complete and utter nonsense… Both Remco and Vingegaard crashed in the spring, setting their training back substantially. Tadej was clearly the strongest rider this year and the very deserved champion. However, saying that his closest competitors should simply “train harder” is ridiculous, given the unfortunate circumstances of Remco’s and Vingegaard’s preparation. I hope we see all three riders back in prime condition next year - hopefully joined by Roglic. I can’t wait!

[@timturner7049]

If there is a win available in this race, you take it. Pog is putting down markers for next year, and years to come. No weakeness shown, just as it should be

[@kestercalderon]

Great you both are back. Didnt bother watching Lance and George… Kudos JBsquared👍💪🚴🏻‍♂️

[@ricric9521]

The best should win each race, period. However, if a leader has to conserve energy or there are other factors he must consider that lead to forfeiting a win, then so be it. But if those other factors are not at play, no one should want anyone other than the best that day to win.

[@StanStallion]

Everyone keeps saying Jonas isn't the same Jonas...??? He's setting personal records too....

[@christoffertrebo7150]

two things can be true. He ia better than ever and he would be better than he is noe if he wouldnt have crashed

[@ryanphelan6861]

JB enthusiasm for cycling is amazing its a life long love affair for him and he is one of the true connoisseur of the sport and its nuance. Ive been glued to whatever I could get VHS , magazines since late 80s to 90s still own them like great books you learned fromand revisit He just shares his observations like sean and others but he sees all its scary. Hes one of those id love to speak to because whether its degrange adding tourmalet, galibier or early insane gladiator rules or coppi/bartali days to modern day evolution of athletes id be fascinated to find something he wasnt already aware of :) Hes the alex trebek of cycling knowledge for me and trick is he listens you cant get that smart without listening to others and being a master of ovservation its only way to keep learning new things. Chapeau

[@Rektwiem]

Johan, the only saving grace of this channel.

[@johnbertram]

Did not know that about categories being defined by the 2CV gearbox. Love it!!

[@brucegelman5582]

Jorgenson yesterday would not have wanted Pogi to "let" him win.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

Bold of you to assume what someone else is thinking. What if his contract has a bonus for stage wins? Too many morons in these comments

[@joebriggs8422]

36:37 Actually, two "taxable" horsepower. The car originally had 9hp (375cc engine) and went up over the years. The tax horsepower rating was not actual hp, but formula based on cylinder dimensions.

[@slablevcek]

Thats right. Johan is wrong. 2hp newer could move car and 4 people inside.

[@cooldude.1811]

Pog - the all conquering, take no prisoners King of cycling Jonas - showed big balls and will remain Pog's biggest rival Remco - got a reality check, but still an amazing Tour Almeida, Jorgenson, Landa - best of the domestiques

[@doctornrsfnly]

Agteed, but I would argue that pound-for-pound, Pollit was the Domestique of this Tour😊

[@cooldude.1811]

@@doctornrsfnly Without a doubt, Politt has been the MVP of UAE and indeed the peloton. Nevertheless, the three above have been the 'last men standing' for their respective leaders.

[@bg147]

Yea, it makes sense that climbing the other side of a mountain could affect the category. I also thought categories were impacted by where the climb is placed in the race. For example, a climb late in a race might could be rated higher due to its late position. It's more grueling. Maybe a Category 1 race could be elevated to an HC if it's placed late in a race?

[@Nicoztrike]

Also draft is BIG when they ride this fast on a 7-8% incline . So pog basically saves 20% sitting in the wheel . So he had a lot left for the sprint .

[@rick1774]

The Rider is an amazing book. Well written and pretty funny if you know anything about racing. Written by an author who also thought he would like to race bikes for a time. Old school racing.

[@matthewcarter5957]

Hah so cool My Dad use to drive over the course and go up the climbs and tell Me how hard they were by the gears in car. Plus I remember in 93 phill ligget saying Isola 2000 could become the new Alpe d'Huez.

[@VeeVeeArcher]

Hopefully Pogacar stays healthy and breaks all the records. Most tdf stage wins, tour wins, and inspires kids in countries everywhere to strive for excellence.

[@alm0st-man991]

Exactly!! for Jonas to be putting out those numbers he is not riding as a handicap..he is at his peak..He got beaten fair and square..pogman did the giro2 months ago...think about that!!

[@5508Vanderdekken]

He’s riding with a 2 month handicap moron. Poggy wouldn’t be able to ride away from him if he hadn’t crashed. Fact

[@stevehastie4951]

No comment… 😎 What I watch cycling for…!

[@redbook7347]

The Citroën 2CV has about 30 horsepower. Even though (as Johan suggests) the name indicates it has 2 horsepower.

[@adamgoodman3422]

The Belgian Bot, The Slovenian Alien & The Danish anchovy

[@michaelgriffiths305]

Question for Johan. As the most successful Belgian DS ever what advice would he give to Remco now? Remco now has found his benchmark AND he now knows where THE (Pogi) ultimate benchmark is. He clearly wants to win the league tour in the next five years and it’s clear what the biggest obstacle is. Does he go to Red Bull with the budget? Can he optimise his performance for another 0.3 watts per kilo? How should he handle the vicious Pog attacks? Conversely this year we saw Pogacar change coach and he is better regardless of misfortune to his three biggest competitors. His TT position is good but his head could get 2 inches lower (marginal yes) but Remco beat him by 12.3 seconds in TT one. Ultimately Pogacar is bigger and can push more total watts than Remco (he also pulled in a Remco attack on stage 9) so Remco’s landing strip for victory like Jonas is narrow. Does Johan think ASO’s route selection May ultimately affect le tour? Ie long TT re introduced. Finally, we now see at his best Jonas is five minutes back and fighting looking at Remco. Is the era 25-27 Pogi vs Remco with Jonas as a third musketeer?

[@BoltzmannOcto]

32:23 he was also a pro chess player and his brother was the bad guy in The Fugitive with Harrison Ford.... Der Runner Tim Krabbe, cool book, rookie Bernard Hinault makes a cameo

[@mickelkobeck7376]

JB was right about the jersey's...the 4th is Young rider with Remco...he won La Vuelta

[@edermetalctba]

Mikel Landa (Soudal) and Matteo Jorgenson (Visma) are my pics for this TDF.

[@TheMASDrummer]

I've got money on bisseger and campanaerts for the TT. Odds were too good not to.

[@lowliquidity]

Johan was a big part of a grand tour cannibal like Lance. Would be contradictory to say pogi can hand out gifts

[@GermanBelgianwaffle]

If it wasnt for bad nutrition. Pog gets 7 stages this year. Sheesh… watch out cav

[@masonadams6990]

Will Johan and Spencer be doing Outcomes for the Olympics?

[@Translucent6000]

JB: go back to your Milan San Remo podcast around 40 mins. Johan nails pogacars numbers and predictions

[@TellusJD]

Johan was not like this during the Vuelta with Jonas though. He wanted Jonas to gift Kuss the whole GT which he did in the end, I feel the double standard is strong here Johan is definately a Pogi and Remco fan over Jonas. He talked everyday during Vuelta23 about Jonas shouldnt take it from kuss and it was simply not fair etc, who got the jersey early due to an easy breakaway that wasnt contested in the early stages. And Remco bonked early in the race so there was no competition for Visma. Jonas was as dominant in that race as pogi was in this tdf. He was able to drop everyone at his liking. Except for the first 10 days where he just followed as he was sick. Imagine this was pogacar, he would have never dreamt of gifting a GT win to a teammate if he was clearly stronger.Johan wanted both Roglic and Jonas to not race and play their chance. Jonas in the end simply gave away his double to Kuss. While kuss was the third or 4rth strongest rider in that Vuelta. Last year when Jonas attacked there is a vast difference. Pogi sat on the wheel and attacked Jonas in the end in nearly all the stages last year. Pogi even though loosing the tour won all the stages they dueled in. The days Jonas won on there was breakaways taking the win beforehand. Now is it ok for pogi to take this win today, Yes!, but is it classy? NO! it just isnt. Would Jonas have done the same in his position with 4 wins on stages and secured yellow, NO. But they are different pogi is for viewers an entertainer, jonas is a hard worker with sportsmanship but also a quite guy.

[@majkoldzekson]

Jonas said he would have done the same....

[@jeffschmid2538]

Hey Johan, should Pog do the Vuelta? I have mixed feelings.

[@Campyboy]

No show on Sunday?

[@user-ps3qk3xl2d]

Help from London 👋

[@zachrydouglas808]

Gifts are for Christmas. Never will he gift it. Did Visma ever think of gifting stages the last 2 tours? After winning all 3 grand tours? After almost beating their own teammate, Kuss, so Jonas or Primoz could win? I hope the cry babies keep crying about it. Take every soul you can, Tadej. The 🐐 💛

[@gordonbarnes8229]

It`s a race! Next question?

[@johnpaullaxa5486]

JB2 is way more better than The Move. L.A is always whining comparing all riders to what he done and the show is 60% ads and not cycling

[@shaunwilliams5796]

Hope Matteo is there to support Sepp in the vuelta!

[@MeesterJ]

Pogi was in front the last KM, and hoped Jonas would attack from his back. Nothing happened so he won.

[@MesojedecRocco]

POGAČAR 2 GT THIS YEARS 42 ETAP 12 WINERS 1/4 ALL GRAND TOUR ETAPS 6 GIRO 6 TDF

[@niklaszintio3917]

Last year, Johan thought Jonas and Primoz should gift Sepp the Vuelta. A gift that would be repaid with interest, Johan said. How has that panned out? Most of the comments felt the same. How things have changed... He has a bias like most of you guys who suddenly are all about "the best man should win". Let me guess, a good cycling podcast re-affirms all the opinions you already have? I still think Johan is a good expert and listen to the podcast.

[@stiaanduplessis6888]

Johan did you have a chat with the KIDS on the other show it looks like they had their sweet taken away today?

[@pcontiman]

Many of us are rooting for Jonas but you never give away a grand tour stage do you ?

[@akaneverest]

2CV is called so because it has only 2 bhp taxables

[@stiaanduplessis6888]

Chapou JB (the Boss) reason he wore that shirt today

[@biscaynediver]

Yeah JB, you really need to stop trying the apologist routine for Lance and the participation trophy mindset. Hope you listened when Johan took your bogus premise and rejected it.

[@alpha8438]

TBF Lance Armstrong won 4 mountain stages in 2004 if you include that legendary time trial in Alpe d'Huez, and gave one to Ivan Basso whose mother was suffering from cancer. Also back then there were often a little bit less mountain stages than in the last 10 years

[@dusanmal]

Coming to the last stage, question related to future and two American riders in particular (and about team Visma): To me Visma(Jumbo Visma) appeared to have very poor interpersonal environment, bordering on poisonous, my impression for 3-4 years and culminating in the last year's Vuelta. Would it be advisable for Kuss and Jorgenson to switch teams for their future (impacting future of American cycling)? I know that technical qualities in Visma are excellent BUT, I worry about their spirits being squashed. Any opinion? As to Citroen 2CV, important clarification: French car taxation system used "horsepower" designations not true to the actual car power. 2CV was just the lowest taxation bracket for lowest horsepower but not actually just 2hp, not that those cars had much more but one or couple of dozens hp depending on the year of release.

[@5508Vanderdekken]

lol, your impression is way off

[@shred3005]

I think every road cyclist would enjoy ‘The Rider’ by Tim Krabbe. It’s an old book now but that’s not important in the story he tells.

[@CheKake]

Renault 5 was known as a Goat

[@MichaelPrescia]

I forget, Why isnt Sepp Kuss in this years Tour?

[@LindyMac]

Covid

[@agregaat]

​@@LindyMacwink wink

[@thefollandgnat]

Like Man Utd are going to gift the FA Cup Final to Liverpool, cos, you know.

[@tomasznobilec6853]

Come on you know well that jumbo is a dopint team !!!!!

[@spinoza311]

Jonas is not and was not 100% It’s absurd to suggest that

[@paddyotoole2058]

JV has already admitted in interviews that he is pushing higher numbers than he was at the Tour last year and that these are his lifetime best performances.

[@finite-automata]

​@@paddyotoole2058 yes but he's also said he's two kg lighter this year because of the crash. So this probably is just the best weight for him and he hasn't reached his peak yet with this weight. Pogacar outputted the best numbers of his career by far in last years Tour just after his crash, and now he's improved so much in one year that he's now the greatest climber of all time.

[@markmartin4793]

Pogi is a couple yrs younger than yonas so hes still improving and has changed his coach yonas will be 28 next tour i dont see him improving like remco and pogi will ​@finite-automata

[@finite-automata]

​@@markmartin4793 IMO Pogi hasn't actually improved that much in terms of power output, UAE have alluded to this as well. Pogi has just lost 2-4 kg from last year which increases his watts per kg and makes him the greatest climber of all time. Jonas now has to do the same, he himself has said he's lost 2 kg and is now better than ever, now he needs to train to get his full power back.

[@paddyotoole2058]

@@finite-automatayou’re confusing matters. lifetime peak and season peak are two totally different things. Jonas is at 100% now at the TdF following his crash I.e. he has fully recovered. That does not mean that physiologically JV will be unable to improve as he gets older and next season produce even higher numbers. He very likely will. But that still does not mean that he is not operating at 100% of his present capacity now.

[@glywnniswells9480]

Wth is this let them win nonsense

[@EITiga]

This 2024 TdF is like Lance Armstrong TdF 2004. When Ivan Basso beat him going to La Mongie, Armstrong won 5 more stages later on. When Jonas beat Pogi going to Le Lioran, Pogi won 4 more stages. Maybe also TT tomorrow? Is there a coincidence?

[@heidewatzka]

Stage 20 of 2023 was a complete differnt situation. Johan makes more and more mistakes over the last few month. Same with to confirm the Tadej statment, that its a real battle, cause Jonas is at 100%. Thats bs...only because he did good numbers, does mean shit. Everybody did better numbers then eer before and Jonas did not made that significant jump that others did. So to confirm this, is useless. For a man lie Johan, I would have listen do an analyse of Jonas sitting on his bike and so on. Its so different to last year.

[@bigtime3719]

For me it is not diferent!!!!!💗💗💗

[@Rundismutti2001]

Listen guys, your so-called GOAT POGI, was destroyed, demolished and humiliated by Vingegaard last year. So get down from your high horses man!!.....jeeeeez.

[@jar5150]

Johan Bruyneel provides the best cycling analysis on the internet. Not you, JB from Austin. You drank the Kool-Aid from the ridiculous, worst TdF coverage of Lance and crybaby George this year. The Move is entirely out of touch with modern cycling, including this year’s catastrophic NBC Tour coverage. The real JB is the only reason I haven’t completely abandoned The Move yet.

[@phennigan]

Pog hates bread & water