Black Butler misconceptions

[@lizzzzyizhere]

Thank you for being one of the few sane Black Butler fans who actually care about logic and the beautifully written series and its characters rather than "uwu yaoi uwu."

[@WeebaLu]

No problem fam! :D I'm happy to see I'm not the only sane Black Butler fan who doesn't like the yaoi xD

[@theapologist6831]

Amen. Thank you for this video.

[@lizzzzyizhere]

JunkyBerry I know it’s a pedophilic ship. There are many animes/mangas that are actually yaoi, but the main ship is pedophilia or incest. Yaoi means “no meaning, just climax,” so there doesn’t even have to be a relationship there for something to be considered yaoi, all it needs is sex. But anyways, I was mocking sebaciel shippers with the uwu yaoi thing because that’s what they say.

[@-yumichan-9054]

@@WeebaLu Ty for making this vid!

[@mjwvirk1890]

I luv it but fandom ruins my mood.. And actually they made a few scenes where i look and be like.. wow is it canon But then my frnd told me the director's do this for fan service

[@zoynes4968]

The "no Grell isn't Trans!1" thing makes me so mad. As a Trans person myself you should pay attention to how people refer to themselves! Various times in the manga AND anime Grell refers to herself as a woman/lady/madam etc. Grell dresses in woman's clothes! Grell worked with Madam Red because she was also frustrated that she didn't have the body parts to have a child. Grell literally calls herself a "red point" in the manga which means the only girl in the group this gets translated quite frequently to "pretty redhead" But of course since its Victorian Era England almost everyone disregards Grell's identity and misgenders her. Grell is a woman. Regardless if she as a character has had surgery or not she's a woman.

[@yem3321]

I’m trans as well and don’t like Grell’s attitude so much. And I feel like he is more a drag queen. Very campy, the jokes, the sexualization. A trans woman feels like a bit of a stretch.

[@alllittlethingzz]

Even in the manga she said that Grell killed herself cause she couldn’t have kids of her own!!!

[@honeypie6490]

@@alllittlethingzz wooow really?! In which part? I want to read that!

[@NikitaClayton-qn7ge]

Grells bone structure says differently

[@alexander_yoko]

Grell wears a men's suit (mostly for safety reasons), and nobody misgenders her. Chibimyumi explained how Japanese pronouns work. If you Google search "Grell's pronouns Chibimyumi" I guess you'll find the article.

[@DirtyBeanWater]

Yeah the yaoi point really pisses me off.

[@WeebaLu]

Same here, glad to see other people believe it xD

[@spid3rfrommars]

THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT! I never really understood the ship between Sebastian and Ciel in the first place and the age gaps were REALLY bothering me

[@WeebaLu]

Not to mention even if our!Ciel/Astre was 18+ to match Sebastian, it's an unhealthy one. We are shown in the manga time and time again that deep town - he's AFRAID of Sebastian. He's still the shy little boy deep in his heart. It's just disgusting to ship Sebastian and our!Ciel tbh. *HE IS LITERALLY A CHILD AND WE ARE LITERALLY SHOWN HOW DISGUSTING IT WAS THAT PEOPLE HURT HIM LIKE THAT*

[@polariize]

since the beginning I was always just bothered by the age gap NEVER ONCE HAVE I THOUGHT THAT SEBACIEL WAS "okay" I do not hate the shippers but I absolutely hate the ship

[@EstherHulst-Artist]

Ciel and Sebastian hated each other maybe still and I don't get why people do not understand that. Ciel constantly tries to make Sebastians life miserable(but often fails) and when given the chance Sebastian is entertained when Ciel hurt or embarrassed as long as his life isn't in danger

[@josephinamungaray6118]

@@WeebaLu i don't think he's afraid of him.

[@WeebaLu]

@@josephinamungaray6118 Green Witch arc kinda reset Our!Ciel mentally back to the day of the sacrifice, in which he is shown to be terrified of Sebastian and doesn't even want to step near him. Scenes of the contract include reluctant steps towards him and the scene where Sebastian tries shaking him out of it shows he's scared.

[@lavenderdemons]

The only reason why I believe that Grell is a trans woman is because she refers to herself as a woman. Grell also presents herself as feminine as possible, and in one part of the manga Grell says she wants a sex change. I feel like people try to deny it because of their yaoi ships.

[@WeebaLu]

Exactly!! People deny it because they want "THE HOT YAOIZ" or just really disgusting people who are transphobic (though 9/10 fights back against Grell being trans are transphobe as fuck)

[@lulu_la_luna]

I can only think of a few reasons why people think she's not a woman: 1: They are tranphobic 2: They hear a male voice and are confused 3: They think she is a male since everyone else in the series refers to her as a he

[@narudayo5053]

@@WeebaLu How are they transphobic when the author herself refer to him as a guy in her character guide book, it's written "Homosexual effeminate man". Grell was inspired by okama, kinda like japanese drag queen, they usually use feminine pronouns (Atashi) and wear makeup or feminine clothes. Before jumping into calling people transphobic for saying that he is a gay guy, read this : grellsgender.co.vu/post/69018491474/i-want-to-point-out-that-while-there-is-very

[@B3trothed]

She's actually IS a trans woman btw

[@laurenmungaray3912]

I understand why it confuses people. Grell sounds and looks like her biological sex.

[@HaifaAbdalla]

I keep seeing people saying sebaciel is canon because ciel is a demon and i immidiately come out with my popular line "dont you feel...silly? dont you feel...stupid?"

[@WeebaLu]

Ciel being a demon has like...0 romantic implications. If anything, it's the same as a parent being stuck with their child forever! Lol

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@WeebaLu thats must sucks fr

[@eroticallycodependent]

@@WeebaLu While I do agree it has 0 romantic implications, I disagree in the fact that you compared their relationship to one of father and son. They're more like... roomates who can't stand each other, but not more than that. that analogy works better when shutting down RyukLight shippers, but lmao.

[@PonPonKittyKat]

When I was young, I was really confused to why Grell would call herself a woman. I was really young and never knew what transgenders were so I thought it was an error. As I grew older, I realised now why she calls herself a girl. Thank you for cleaning up this misconception cause I wouldn't even know half of these.

[@WeebaLu]

No problem! I feel you lol When I was watching Black Butler for the very first time, it was the same thing for me because I had like 0 knowledge on anything regarding LGBT lol

[@toocoldtobother7271]

I found this anime in elementary school when only the first two seasons were out so I was completely confused on why a man was being weird and stuff now though its obvious

[@stephaniesheep1147]

I watched Black Butler too when I was around 5-6th grade, and I was also confused about Grell too

[@helenetrstrup4817]

"It was supposed to be yaoi!" My response to that will forever be: "So what?" I see where they are coming from and I would probably have enjoyed it either way. I just think it would have been rather awkward as Sebastian only really cares about Ciel's soul. Whatever he does is ultimately to eat Ciel's soul. There is nothing more to it.

[@WeebaLu]

because it's putting words in Yana's mouth and finding a way to justify a disgusting relationship between a 13 year old child and a grown man (the age of consent in Japan being 13 is BS btw and it's even illegal for the Victorian era)

[@criesincowboy9629]

I love Kuroshitsuji too and the misconceptions bother me too,same with tg.

[@Forrunnerkiller3]

i randomly found this and i'm so happy i did. Finally someone who speaks sense. Seriously my first thought when i saw the title was they better mention "Black Butler was originally a Yaoi." and i'm so glad you did. Awesome video.

[@mayohaise4633]

The yaoi one makes me so mad I stg

[@WeebaLu]

*SAME*

[@jiminsmxgicshop]

sameee

[@pitypartiez]

sameeeee

[@Ace-xb4pb]

Since you were confused on how people couldn't tell the twins apart, I'm a twin and that is very realistic. People only stopped confusing me and my sister when I got a pixie cut, and I had a bob and she had long hair. Some people are able to tell you apart, so I think Tanaka knew "Ciel" wasn't Ciel, since he was very close with the twins, but I'm not that surprised that most people didn't realize.

[@monbebecaratarmy2280]

The yaoi thing is so true. I tried getting my friends to watch the anime but they said no because it was yaoi 😤😠 when it's not

[@WeebaLu]

It's so irritating when Black Butler is a beautiful tragedy but nnoooo we gotta get fujoshi ruining it -_-

[@alorasherwood7211]

What is a youi

[@vyanh3027]

@@alorasherwood7211 Yaoi*: also known as boys' love, is a genre of fictional media originating in Japan that features homoerotic relationships between male characters.

[@alorasherwood7211]

@@vyanh3027 ok thank you

[@sksksksk8960]

the anime is kinda trash tho and would even more reinforce the idea that it is a yaoi(exept the "book of..." series)

[@SonicStalker123]

But Grelle is a canon trans female. There’s proof in the manga :/

[@WeebaLu]

Yes she is (very obviously) BUT there are transphobic assholes within the Black Butler community who want to argue she's not. There is a Tumblr artist (who I will not name as to not stir up drama) who portrays Grell as a gay man because she's extremely transphobic/dumb and pulls up a lot of the bullshit points I shut down in this video. Doesn't help this artist manages to convince a lot of people of the same thing.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@WeebaLu it's also for yaoi purposes

[@DLC_PR016]

I thought of Grell as a boy with long hair

[@lulu_la_luna]

@@DLC_PR016 Grell refers to herself as a woman, therefore she is one.

[@everythingwillbe6904]

I thought grell was just a gay man at first, but it got more obvious after several rewatching to simply know he's probably trans

[@WeebaLu]

I forgot to mention this in the video but Yana already had a deal with GFantasy to do a manga after their interest peaked with Rustblast. *GFANTASY IS NOT A YAOI MANGA PUBLISHING COMPANY* They are the same publication company for Fullmetal Alchemist along with other fantasy shounen series. If Black Butler was really supposed to be a yaoi, which as I state in the video is bullshit, then Yana would have to have had a deal with a manga publishing company that at least printed yaoi manga before or in the past. Considering none of GFantasy's current published mangas are yaoi, the statement is literally impossible. I have also seen 1 or 2 people bring up on forums and stuff that apparently Kuma (Yana's editor as I state in the video) was the one who started this rumor but me, friends and literally every good Black Butler fan have looked up the source or tried to find it as it didn't exist. Any source someone gave was to a forum where someone else went "Uuuhhh I think he said it?" and that's it. If Yana wanted to make a yaoi then she would have taken one of her one-shots from Glamorous Lip, improved upon it and worked with a *yaoi* publishing company and she would have probably made the millionth junjou romantica knock off but she didn't. Instead she made a tragedy set in the Victorian era about a boy who's lost all his innocence and literally does terrible things as revenge.

[@exchangediary968]

Black Butler was heavily inspired by one of her SHOTACON stories in Glamorous Lip , which involves a young boy and a demon, that's where the misconception comes from because one of her editors said the characters and concept can also work in a shonen story

[@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl]

@@exchangediary968 Editor K basically gave her the idea and they both workshopped it. I found no source that claims characters from GL were inspirations. Only that her and her editor came up with the concept of Black Butler. Yana Toboso had a bad habit of same face body syndrome. She would always drawn men the same with just different traits that's why I think people look back at GL and think they came from that since she literally drew everyone the same. She's become a fucking beautiful artist, but my god you really couldn't tell her characters apart back in the day.

[@alexander_yoko]

Yana did call Grell a woman in some posts from 2018. Not "a man with a woman's heart", as she used to, "woman" only. KZbin hates links, so I can't add any here, but I have some videos about Grell and there are links in the description. The people who deny the canon Grell are only disrespectful to Yana's story, therefore to Yana as a writer. Grell's transgenderism is important for this character, since she's a shinigami... As you said, it's heartbreaking when you think about it.

[@softichill]

I saw someone saying that they're uncomfortable w/ black butler because, and I quote, "Sebastian and Ciel were supposed to have a romantic relationship" like ????? No????????

[@WeebaLu]

Oh my gosh they weren't! To think it's a misconception that makes people think something is bad or gross D:

[@EstherHulst-Artist]

I can only see Sebastian x reader fan service, kinda in the same way as beast x Sebastian like he doesn't love you

[@maybemints]

( ु⁎ᴗ_ᴗ⁎)ु.｡oO dont wanna watch black butler because of the way their relationship is portrayed if someone is shown on screen in strange context it's probably catering but maybe it's supposed to be edgy...

[@misteria247]

Thanks for the reminder of how my sweet baby girl Grell became a reaper. Like ouch she deserved better.

[@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl]

Thinking about her past makes me so sad. You can tell she needs to work out issues since she's attracted to men that beat and bully her. I don't get why people ship her with William when he is so damn mean and abusive towards her and straight up says he doesn't wanna be around her. She doesn't deserve that. Like, how she loves when Sebastian kicks her ass or is mean to her she doesn't deserve that. I hope Yana will make Grell into a strong women. She is strong, but she needs to be kicking these dudes asses for mistreating her.

[@charko4191]

Yeah... last time I was atraccted to Ciel was when I was 13 myself He seemed charismatic handsome and smart now 21 year old me sees a traumatised 13 year old kid that needs help But as I was geting older I really despised that Ciel Sebastian fanservice its any fanservice really now Learning about Ciel's past at age of hmm 19/20 made just want to stay away from the series even more so it's just too heavy for me not to mention my 13 year old self kinda overlooked a lot of adult stuff going on in the series it's just different now really hard to read. As I am older I often look for soft series like Natsume Yujincho its actually my fave I recomend it

[@l_is_tired388]

I’m saying this now I love your voice

[@WeebaLu]

Thank you so much! :D

[@l_is_tired388]

Know problem and you have amazing content

[@emilyk3500]

2 years late to this video but I'm here now. I'm new to the fandom, but me being me I obsessed over it (I'm still trying to get ahold of the manga because it sounds so good and I want to read it so bad) and when I obsess, I like to learn anything and everything I can. This of course brings me into seeing many, _many_ posts about how black butler was originally supposed to be a yaoi. I didn't believe it but I also didn't totally dismiss it cause in my experience, anime gets weird so it isn't too outlandish... horrible and should never happen, but could happen. But a few days ago I was on tictok (my sister made me get it and now im hooked help) and one of the people I follow is J Michael Tatum (the English voice actor for Sebastian) because I love him and he's amazing. Anyway, in this video made in 2020, he addresses the ship between Sebastian and Ciel. In his words, "It's a ship that most certainly needs to sink." Not only does it go against both the manga canon and the anime canon, but the literal actor who plays Sebastian said it's messed up and should not be a thing

[@dankbudew4830]

The fandom itself turned me off from ever touching this series, but it did push me to discover Hellsing/Ultimate.

[@marvelous_680]

Same tbh.

[@lillyk.265]

work

[@tutterbear98]

Okay this video was actually super helpful. I was an outside observer of black butler and its fandom from the anime, though I've never watched it, and always had some poor ideas about it. When the backstory stuff got revealed (the pages you showed that implied that the twins were assaulted), it trended on tumblr. I read those pages, got really invested, and then admittedly forgot about it (fun fact I did the exact same thing for Tokyo Ghoul: Re when the "we're probably about to die let's be intimate" thing happened). Anyway, I still had the idea of the anime and fandom that I always had, and so didn't do anything with it. Now I'm interested again, and seeing that a lot of the things I thought about the series that made me squeamish weren't actually a thing was really nice. Idk if I'll be involved in fandom, but I might give the manga a shot

[@nysus-basement]

We needed this. We just didn't know. We all needed this.

[@azurereloaded]

the whole "ciel is a girl" thing reminds me of when i took my grandma up to see my new manga wall and she was looking at things i have colored and asked if the coloring page of ciel in a dress and seb were a couple. i didn't have the heart to tell her

[@RaveyDoesStuff]

Man I should read the manga.its looks really cool and more interesting. I only have watched the anime.

[@WeebaLu]

You definitely should! There's a lot of brilliant twists in the manga and much better characters :)

[@EstherHulst-Artist]

its great you can buy them as ebooks per chapter

[@everythingwillbe6904]

There's way more arcs in the manga! Give it a try, it's really good

[@brycevo]

Thank you so much for explaining these misconceptions. Thank you, Lu

[@DianaDxD]

Thank you for making this video and I will admit I used to ship Ciel and sebastian but I stopped cuz I realized that it was wrong since I discovered this anime at 14.

[@amez643]

I honestly cannot imagine caring this much either way about the Ciel/Sebastian relationship. The homoeroticism between them is overt and anyone denying that needs to take an art history class. And anyone invested enough in either them being a couple or not being a couple to the point they start insulting other fans needs to go outside and touch grass.

[@strawberryjay1516]

ew no… they don’t like each other

[@attimes]

@@strawberryjay1516 It's not about them liking eachothers. What this person is saying is the way they are draw is alluding to something and Ciel is drawn in a way that sexualise him. We know they hate eachothers but the mangaka purposely draw them with sexual and romantic subjectivity. Take a look the positions Ciel has in some of the promotial art she make.

[@gastounmanar9814]

And you need stop insulting fan who are against this pedo ship and stop defending those kind of stuff even if Yana put it in her artwork.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Ew

[@sebas-chan1350]

Grelle really is a she, and because of that, I'll always call her by she, and I don't care if it bothers the nitpicky ones!!! It's my own decision and choice!!!

[@nanameii_5746]

I remember watching a black butler 101 facts video and when *the story started off as a Yaoi* I got so confused. Thank you for explaining it

[@friend8620]

Also on the topics of the "uwu yaoi!" They always say:" but but ciel panick attack was sexual !" When the poor kid was scared and legit was panicking if you think its sexual get help

[@_toulouse]

i think you can recognize that it's distasteful to romanticize the scene where ciel has a panic attack but you can also be critical of the fact that yana toboso has a tendency of sexualizing horrific scenes just by how she draws them. there's this later, incredibly horrific thing that ciel endures in a flashback later on and a ring is swallowed, and yana toboso sexualizes it.

[@friend8620]

@@_toulouse Yes, that one of the reason why i do not like them that much.

[@yagirl177]

It’s almost like it’s a drawing and people can fantasize about what they want

[@Luunanori]

Are you confortable with hugs ? If so can I please hug you toshow my gratitude ? If not I'm just gonna scream THANK YOU OH MY GOD FINALLY !!! No joke here, a few days ago I saw someone reacting to Black Bulter and went to check their reaction. 3 ep in and they were "omg I ship it" and I just stared at my screen, wanting to cry. "A 10 seconds google search is not that fucking hard people" I used to be the admin of a manga/anime fb page back in the days and the amount of time people asked me dumb stuff that could've been answer with a simple google search I-

[@WeebaLu]

Hugs are more than welcomed~! You're very welcome fam! :D Yeah...I can't tell you how many people say some really disgusting stuff about our!Ciel just because they ship him with Sebastian. Like maybe if someone was 13-14 and told me "KKKYYAAA I SHIP IT~" then I'd have no choice not to mind simply because that's a kid who doesn't know any better and just try to inform them before they grow up with the mindset that a relationship between a 13 year old child and a grown ass adult in his presumed mid 20's (who also looks like his father) is not okay at all. It really isn't! XD We're in 2018 and we have the power of the internet now, that doesn't mean we wait for the answer to come to us in a KZbin video cause we have the capability of looking it up ourselves lol I feel though, as someone who runs 3 Black Butler RP blogs on Tumblr gosh is it so easy find misinformed fans lmao

[@Dusky-Bunn1e]

When i heard Hellsing i fucking died because i’m a hardcore Hellsing fan and a long time Black butler fan

[@Kohaikou]

Eh, Black Butler is one of my favorite anime xD

[@WeebaLu]

Agreed! XD

[@Kohaikou]

@@WeebaLu I can never diss it

[@EstherHulst-Artist]

my favourite manga

[@Kohaikou]

@@EstherHulst-Artist My favorite anime and manga

[@jiminsmxgicshop]

sameee

[@twoodents292]

So i am Not The only one who is watching Black Butler in 2018 Cool Channel Btw 😀

[@WeebaLu]

Hell yeah! Still waiting for the anime of the school arc btw ;-; Thank you so much

[@MusicLoveDD]

I mean.. I thing there is a relationship between Ciel and Sebastian but it's not a romance one.....It's kinda like Yugi and Yami lol !!! Their both helping each other grow for the good or bad XD !!

[@WeebaLu]

Exactly! though maybe not help each other grow necessarily good since Sebastian is just walking his talking pizza do stuff lmao If there is any relationship, it's clearly a platonic understanding.

[@MusicLoveDD]

@@WeebaLu I know this is just wishful thinking on my part but I kind of believe that Sebastian isn't going to eat Ciel's soul but that's just a theory behind on the chapters and I need to get caught up... Yana did say there's a deeper meaning to why Sebastian looks so similar to Vincent there's something up I don't think ciel's dying that easily.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

I do think he cares about his human child dinner in his own deranged way but it's not going to stop him from eating him tho.

[@lavenderdemons]

Yana said that Sebs would kill Ciel if he ever gave up the contract. In the 1800s, the age of consent is 16. Ciel is 13.

[@WeebaLu]

THANK YOU

[@lavenderdemons]

BKgirl483 they probably did

[@mtverv]

I hate to burst your bubble but "age of consent" is a completely modern thought space lol. If they could have kids back then they were "of age"

[@Dusky-Bunn1e]

CielPhantomhiveReacts Ciel: I hate this contract Sebastian: (Kills Ciel) :) Now you’ll love it

[@minas.a8436]

@@mtverv actually in 1875 when Ciel was born the age of consent was 12 but when he turned 10 in 1885 it was 16 so the person is right.....age of consent is not a modern thought just search it up......The age of consent was changed for the first time in the nineteenth century in 1875, when the felony clause was raised from 10 to 12 and the misdemeanour clause from 12 to 13 and then to 16 in 1885

[@ShoppingForBlood]

This is so well put together! The 5 seconds that you brought up the Green Witch Arc though...

[@WeebaLu]

Thank you so much friendo!!! :D Someday I'll bring up the witch arc again omg xD

[@linarielrose]

You are the best thank you for this video I totally agree with everything you said and applaud your insight and explanations. Well done there really are too many misconceptions about Black Butler and seriously if Season 2 was canon I’d be upset.

[@hafstendo5619]

I know how misconception feels. I will admit that I'm not a big fan of Black Butler I do enjoy it though. Just not a big fan but I like it. But I'm a big fan of FMA and thats something I want to say something about. I hate the fact that in the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist they changed the main villain. Instead of Father we get some woman called Dante(She is obviously named after Dante Alighri which I admit is a nice touch) anyway Dante sucks as a villain. Why is that? It's because she makes everything difficult for herself and makes a lot of dumb moves. She manipulates people to make a philosopher's stone for her and why? Thats because she doesn't know how to make one on her own. This makes no sense. Dante has been alive for 400 years and the one thing she depends on to stay alive and she doesn't know how to make one her own. When Edward reads Marcoh's notes he knows how to make a philosopher's stone immediately. And Dante she actually saw how Hohenheim made a stone in front of her eyes. Whats the difference between seeing it in person or just reading how to make one? Some people like Dante because she's a human. But the fact that she has been alive for 400 years and doesn't know how to make one her own is absoulty ludicrous

[@WeebaLu]

*BOY DO I FEEL YOUR PAIN* Dante for me had the exact same problems. Then again all of FMA 2003 had that kind of bullshit writing, for me what pissed me off most was Wrath's concept -_- Yeah okay to make the homunculous more the incomplete version of the person they try to bring back is VERY interesting, but it doesn't make sense for Wrath. All other homunculous don't age and stay the same age they were when that person died (Sloth in her late/mid 30's, Greed in his late 20's, Lust in her 20's, etc) but why does Wrath get to age? Why does he have no arm or leg when Edward gets them back??? Literally none of that makes sense and it's such bullshit. Also like the amount of fucking filler that breaks the rules of FMA are frustrating too.

[@hafstendo5619]

@@WeebaLu Thats what happens when you try to complete an incomplete material on your own. And since you mentioned Wrath the fact he can perform Alchemy doesn't make sense either. Just because he has Edward arm and leg doesn't mean he can perform alchemy. Alchemist perform alchemy from their soul. Thats why Alphonse can perform alchemy without his body and Edward perform alchemy without his arm and leg. But Wrath is a filler character son naturally he will make bullshit

[@denialegypt8283]

Tbh the reason why fam:b was so light on the first few episodes is because they were allowing bones studios to have the better version of everything up to pretty much right after the clearing of the devil's nest. When the plots diverge Broho is hands down the better anime and has the better plot. To this day I'm still salty about what they did to Hohenheim in FMA 03 and they ruined him so badly for me that i didn't even watch his parts in BroHo the first time I watched it. It was a goddamn mistake on my part as now im the biggest stan for brotherhood Hoho I know They did him dirty

[@WeebaLu]

I think they did Hohenheim fine? I fucking HATE him in the 2003 series (because he's just a shitty human being in that one) but I love him in FMA:B. I did read the manga after finishing Brotherhood and I found his portrayal was accurate??? I did feel bad that they missed that adorable scene with the bucket where it's Hohenheim who explains to Ed that he needs to be there for Alphonse, that was so cute lol

[@denialegypt8283]

@@WeebaLu i meant 03 not BroHo. I literally only noticed it after I reread my comment and just edited it to read fma 03. Ahh

[@MicukoFelton]

The Sebastian and Ciel subtext is so obvious, it's funny you're trying to deny it. I mean, who are you trying to fool here.

[@WeebaLu]

It was just early fanservice because Yana used to write yaoi doujinshi. Read chapter 134 and look at our!Ciel's age.

[@_Minos]

Subtext?? Lmao Girl get therapy. Some of you fujoshi's are all kinds of S1ck. Even if two males just stood near eachother according to your logic "they have a realtionship" 🤦🏻. By that "subcontext" of yours Goku and Vegeta should be into eachother too 😂

[@noyes8993]

This was very much needed, I didn’t even know some of these myself. Tbh I kinda see the anime differently but still enjoy nonetheless. ❤️

[@ViaViv124]

I remember when i found Black Butler in 2017 when i was 12 or 11 i was always confused bc grell refers to herself as a woman but everyone in the Anime called her 'he' and 'man' and back then, considering that i grew up in a catholic village and had no Reference for lgbtq stuff and therefore thought it was weird, went with the other characters and called her a man who is just weird. Now that i am way more experienced, mature and smart i see her as a woman and i feel bad for denying it in the past and literally hating grell for that. Nowdays i love her with all my heart and want to just give her a hug

[@area52ron]

The most confusing thing I’ve seen in black butler is how Alois feels about Ciel I mean in one scene he seem to hate or dislike him in some way and in a another scene it seems he likes Ciel or something

[@_Minos]

Therefore one simply doesnt watch anything that's not canon.

[@tenshidraw19]

« perverted gourmet » I’m dead 🤣

[@DirtyBeanWater]

Love your analogies XD

[@WeebaLu]

Thanks! X3

[@minisnakali]

Ngl I could care less what gender Grell is, to me Grell is just Grell :/ I don't see the point in stressing over it

[@caubiosmarion9273]

the only ship that could be canon is ciel x lizzie even though it's a bit weird since they're cousins buut it was seen as normal for cousins in old times in noble family to get married to "keep the bloodline pure"

[@everythingwillbe6904]

Our ciel doesn't even see her in a romantic way, but a family member, real ciel is the one who sees lizzie as a woman. Anyways, I ship ciel x sieglinde

[@Krissy.6969]

In some places today people still marry their cousins, my parents are an example.

[@everythingwillbe6904]

@@Krissy.6969 that's actually still an issue, it causes so many problems. Their kids are more likely to be disabled, have low iq, have mutations...etc things like this just make me sad :(

[@_Minos]

​​@@everythingwillbe6904 My teach would like to have a word with you about that. Kids are born mu tated even when the parents aint related. It's just that the mu tat1ons are more likely to appear if the parents are very very close related.

[@brycevo]

Sorry I've been away for a while, lovely video. As always!

[@WeebaLu]

It's all good dude :D Thanks a lot!

[@theriverastyx]

i wanted a black butler tattoo when i was 12, so glad i settled for rei ayanami instead

[@yandereskitty]

Thank you for stating that the anime is NOT canon... :D I agree with this for this series, and for the Pokemon series. Red is not Ash. :]

[@phoenix10km99]

The black butler fandom can be so toxic- comparable to the Mha fandom….. sad that people will steer away from good stories because of toxic people; then most of the time those same toxic people will influence the story in a poor way.

[@ariackarman1324]

just to put it out there: because it takes place in Victorian England, the age of consent was 12

[@muciSAD]

And even if if it wasn't Sebastian is a DEMON, he'd hardly feel morally bad for falling in love with Ciel.

[@ariackarman1324]

@@muciSAD real. but also that was meant more for anyone who wants to say that it as illegal and Sebastian wouldn't be the only person who would see nothing wrong with their relationship (other than that they are male) in that time period. if ciel was a girl everyone would think she was supposed to marry him

[@muciSAD]

@@ariackarman1324 Right! If Ciel were a girl nobody would mind people shipping them.

[@marvelous_680]

As much as I like the anime, the manga is better because it focused more on story then the anime. The "it was supposed to be a yaoi" MAKES ME MAD. It has been debunked by the author's editor and they still won't get over it. This comment may be late, but this is a great vid!

[@cosplayerqueen9878]

I just found this video and I just want to say THANK YOU! I ship Ciel and Lizzy, and now that the **SPOILER FOR MANGA** twin reveal is out and we've seen the making of the contract, I don't understand why SebaCiel is still a thing. Number one is obviously that he's 13-14 and romance is the LAST thing on his mind, but also, why tf would Ciel want to be someone who took the soul of his twin brother and caused him to go through the most traumatic experience of his life?

[@beediverse9086]

Ngl when I was younger, I lowkey thought grell was a gay dude with long hair in love of Sebastian >< it’s great to know that she’s trans. Looking back as an adult, it makes a lot of sense

[@THIZZAVELI]

"Despite my voice" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@minas.a8436]

In 1875 when Ciel was born the age of consent was 12 but when he turned 10 in 1885 it was 16

[@mme__sutcliff4433]

*I FUCKING LOVE YOU* *Like seriousely thank you for this*

[@princessravendiamond4288]

oof I'm not caught up on the manga and this definitely spoiled some stuff for me

[@WeebaLu]

Sorry about that! With misconceptions comes spoilers >-

[@princessravendiamond4288]

It's okay. I'm the one who chose to watch the video anyway.

[@Mmmmmgoodsoup]

Omg same but it’s okay, I was the one who tapped on this video

[@adeaoud3404]

Quite honestly I'd believe Senastian is Ogre from Mad Father, or at least the design of Ogre was based off of Sebastian. HE'S LITERALLY BALD SEBASTIAN

[@criesincowboy9629]

The Ichigo comparison is so fascinating. Both are fabulous in their own way.

[@WeebaLu]

Yeah! It was one of the biggest art style changes I could think of as most manga artist remain the same with just minor improvements to proportion or linework you'd be surprised how many manga artists with poor styles remain the same (-COUGH- One Piece -COUGH-)

[@desireamuffin9429]

I just had a random thought, even though Yana never said anything The story of Will the Reaper might be slightly canonical. in the OVA they took in a bunch of Reapers? ( something about unofficial reapers) and tested them to see if they would qualify as official members of the shinigami dispatch. I mean take a look at Undertaker while he is still a reaper, he is no longer permitted to view the To Die list or wield a Death Scythe. And in book of Atlantic right after observing that Undertaker had no glasses, Ronald questions Undertakers status as a Reaper. not to mention that in the OVA they also give us an small insight into the idea that there are multiple Reaper divisions.

[@WeebaLu]

Yes, but reapers technically don't start out as "young", they start at whatever age they were when they took their own life. For instance, William wouldn't be a teenager, he'd be the age we see him as now. It's implied there is no "qualification" to being a reaper - you take your own life by any means and it makes you a reaper, as shown by Sascha when she explains the origins of reapers during the green witch arc. It's implied the glasses are given as identification as Undertaker left the reaper society due to his weird experiments. I mean, there's probably some truths to it like maybe William's backstory of losing a woman he loved that drove him to death, but other than that I don't think it works in the manga lol

[@carysohma8144]

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS GEZZZZZZZZ

[@nomi7776]

Pls- why are you saying this- I’m not being rude but it’s mah fav anime .-. And the first one I never watched U CANT STOP ME FROM LOVING IT 😊

[@adudewhosimps4229]

oof I have the same opinion as you

[@abbyvetzal1719]

WONDERFUL VIDEO But like Shoto's has been training since he got a quark? Though no, he probably shouldn't be THAT buff, but be definitely has some beef

[@silverchan9999]

I have a confession to make, the First time I ever saw Black Butler was an AMV of Die Young. And When I Saw Ciel Dressed Up as a Girl and not, I actually thought there Were Twins! But nope I am The Stupid! It wasn't until Black Butler got back on Netflix that my Sister told me the Truth. And my Head Exposed right there and Then. Making me think: "Are you saying this whole time mind that there were Twins To this Anime I love so much now! Called Black Butler!". 1:46

[@kaltheeaa9432]

Ciel has a twin and is a bitch. Blame undertaker.

[@silverchan9999]

@@kaltheeaa9432 i know he has a Twin but the first time I saw Ciel cross dressing, I didn't realize it until my sister told me And I Do Agree Ciel's Twin is a Bitch, i don't even know what Ciel's Real name is because it always been "Ciel".

[@PsychedelicKitten]

12:50 jokes on you, I was 11 when I had a crush on him 😼 -but yeah now 25 and moved onto Sebastian long since then lmao- (btw this isn’t a hate comment)

[@ElectronicsForFun]

From my understanding grell was a man that wanted to be a women but couldn't get the surgery since nobody did that back then so he killed himself and became a reaper, and the reapers wouldn't let him change since he is a divine being and trans surgeries aren't very biblical, so he's kind of fucked.

[@WeebaLu]

Even when a trans person cannot transition (either due to financial or health reasons), please remember to always refer to one by their preferred pronouns

[@ElectronicsForFun]

@@WeebaLu haha alien 3 was terrible.

[@purrlionpony9317]

the only thing i ship sebastian x mey-rin. still not likely to happen but ill still ship them.

[@WeebaLu]

Cute ship! I doubt Sebastian feels any romance towards another human at all but ey, anyone can dream! :D

[@PixelOffline]

Really great video lmao, subscribed 🤠

[@WeebaLu]

Thank you so much! :D

[@josieuwu9636]

grell said trans rights!!!!!

[@WeebaLu]

Damn right she did!!!

[@lizabee]

I haven't read it in years but I'm very curious as to why you keep calling ciel ashtray 😆 this video was great btw!

[@lillyk.265]

People really need to stop acting like Yana is completely innocent when she’s really not, as someone who has recently finished catching up with the series I can tell you there are so many panels of Ciel and other child characters that are EXTREMELY questionable. I’m really enjoying where the manga is going, but the fans really need to stop pretending like this stuff isn’t all over this series (even the recent chapters). Sadly it really taints an overall great manga for me…

[@lillyk.265]

Also to add on, it really disgusts me that Yana continuously sexualizes a character who’s backstory and trauma involves violent CSA, again I really wish the fans would actually address some of these criticisms instead of blaming it on “toxic fans” or misconceptions

[@MicukoFelton]

@@lillyk.265 Yeah, how are the fans the toxic ones, we just look at the manga and see the many times Ciel was drawn in a sexual or tempting way. So many times adult men are salivating over kids (the Viscount Druitt for example is attracted to Ciel), Lau has made sexual jokes about Ciel, etc. And the author has drawn shota yaoi in the past and CLEARLY knows what she's doing teasing the Sebacial. The only way NOT to see it is if we ignore canon chapters.

[@jjkbunnyy]

Okay, talking about the whole twin thing, I'm very confused about that. I don't read the manga because personally I like watching the Animes more, so when I saw a video titled "The Truth About Ciel's Past" in my recommends, I was immediately stumped lol. What I got from it though is that Ciel had a twin that was killed in the ritual thingy and Ciel was the one that survived, called on Sebastian and here we are. Though you called 'our' Ciel by a different name I think? That's what's confusing me.. Did Ciel take his brother's name or something because, since he's dead, he would be the next in line for the head? But even then that doesn't really make sense. Also, at the end of the video I mentioned earlier, they said that the brother is coming back?? I thought he was stabbed..? There's no way he could have survived that. Idk lol I'm just all sorts of confusion over this, obviously. I'm pretty new to Black Butler, I just started watching it like 5 weeks ago. I've already watched the 1st season, I skipped the 2nd because, as many people have said, it has nothing to do with the storyline so I didn't see the point in watching it, I watched The Book of Circus, (By far my fav btw), The Book of Murder, as well as The Book of Atlantic. So, I believe I'm all caught up Anime wise.. Also, does anyone know if another season or 'Book of Whatever' (lol) is coming out? I've tried looking it up, but I haven't really found a concrete answer so yeah, just more things I'm unsure about. Anyways, I hope someone can clear all this up for me. I'd really appreciate it since Black Butler is becoming one of my favorite Animes :) Sorry, I didn't mean to type so much..

[@WeebaLu]

our!Ciel suffered from severe survivors guilt and didn't think he deserved to live so he decided to take his brother's name because he thought Ciel deserved to live instead of him. We don't know the name of our!Ciel / the spare because it MAY be revealed at a later date though Yana has possibly hinted that we may also never get his name revealed. I wouldn't recommend seeing season 1 as canon past episode 6 because the manga for Balck Butler wasn't out long enough to have a fully accurate anime adaptation so episode 7 and onward is their own stuff. If you watched the Book of the atlantic film then you know those zombies that Undertaker make? well, Ciel is a perfected version of that kind of zombie though he requires a LOT of blood to keep him in that state where he's a perfect resurrection of a human being otherwise he'll go back to being a limp corpse. Now, we don't know why Undertaker brought him back entirely other than him telling Sebastian that "he doesn't want to see anymore Phantomhive's die" which isn't revealed why he cares so much. (He also had a funeral locket of the twins' grandmother thus already showing he had a possible deep connection with family) I honestly wouldn't recommend that video explaining everything because he does get a lot wrong because it had literally just been revealed so we didn't get things like backstory for the twins, why no one could tell them apart, etc. The next anime adaption SHOULD be out this year as the book of series seems to have a 2 year gap. The next arc in Black Butler (again, extremely important to explaining how Ciel is alive) is the school arc but I really have no idea if they'll even do it as they skipped the jack the ripper arc lol (The school arc was hated when it was first being published so I have no clue if they'll still do it) It's all good :) I might just make a video to better explain this twin plot twist someday actually lol

[@jjkbunnyy]

@@WeebaLu Wow okay, that makes so much more sense thank you lol. I had always wondered what connection the Undertaker had with Ciel. Also, if that video was wrong for the most part, then what about the part where he references to the scene in The Book of Circus about that creepy guy who kidnapped the kids watching Ciel and his dad at that party? Like when he became obsessed with the Phantomhives, were both of the twins actually there like he was suggesting or was it just Ciel? Since the Anime doesn't seem to be 100% with the manga, is the whole Ciel having a twin thing even going to be apart of it? Well, I mean, I'd assume so since this reveal clearly plays a big part in the storyline.. And, sorry, I don't mean to be asking you so many questions, but why did the school arc get hate? If you don't mind explaining to me. You can summarize lol

[@WeebaLu]

@@jjkbunnyy I mean mostly with the flashback stuff as the full flashback wasn't finished yet regarding the twins and their lives (and personalities) so there was some things wrong like the motivation behind becoming Ciel and why exactly our!Ciel chose to name the demon Sebastian. (Because the dog only listened to Ciel and he views Sebastian as his dog thus it's an easy connection there). Yes btw, our!ciel was there at that party and you actually see both twins but they're just hidden from the same shot very well. The one hiding behind Vincent's leg is our!Ciel and the one who's super happy and bubbly is real!Ciel. What I mean by the anime is season 1, the book of series has promised to follow the manga down to a T and it already has by perfectly emulating Yana's foreshadowing in an anime format. It's okay, I know there's a lot of questions with the twins plot twist lol The school arc was heavily disliked because the plot "didn't go anywhere" in that time because it was about our!Ciel destroying a hierarchy at a boys boarding school so he could find queen Victoria's missing nephew. The arc also introduced a LOT of new characters that are extremely important now, but we didn't know that then so a lot of people were confused by the sudden addition of 7 new characters.

[@jjkbunnyy]

@@WeebaLu Omg thank you so much! I thought I was gonna be confused forever lol I'm definitely looking forward to more with all this new info. Is there anywhere online that I can read the school arc? As I mentioned earlier, I'm not one for reading the manga, even though everyone always says it's better than the Animes, but I'll make this one exception since I want more BB lol. Just until (hopefully) the new "Book of" comes out this year. I think it'll be weird to see Ciel in a school setting lol I find it very easy to forget that he's 13, what with his mentality being so mature for his age. Poor baby was forced to grow up so fast due to everything he's been through.. :(

[@WeebaLu]

@@jjkbunnyy You can try mangafox if you need to read the school arc. If you want to support the series financially then bookwalker is the best place to read manga online. The school arc starts from chapter 67, but it's important you read chapter 66 as it's a very important character arc scene for Elizabeth. in that chapter. Yeah, it's unfortunate and really sad the poor kid had to basically become an adult at 10 years old. The school arc basically gives us a glimpse as to what our!Ciel's life might've been like if he had been a normal boy and I do like the new characters :)

[@cinnamontoasthecc_8596]

Do you have an instagram If so can I draw your persona

[@WeebaLu]

Yes!!! It's @BK_girl483 Thank you so much aaahhh

[@cinnamontoasthecc_8596]

@@WeebaLu any time! Honestly its hard to not enjoy you 😄

[@WeebaLu]

@@cinnamontoasthecc_8596 Aaahhh!!! Thank you so much I'm so glad you enjoy my content

[@cinnamontoasthecc_8596]

@@WeebaLu of course! If you get a pm from mapleperson on instagram its me :D

[@WeebaLu]

@@cinnamontoasthecc_8596 Alrighty~!

[@DLC_PR016]

Anyone know why ceil and that blonde dude wear stockings?

[@WeebaLu]

It was historically appropriate for boys to wear stockings back then. It was just common faction for young boys in noble society.

[@linkiest]

i think the misconception of black butler was suppose to be a yaoi is why i haven't really kept up with the manga, there is another reason but thats kind of a private thing... however i will be watching for the sidelines since the story is pretty interesting, maybe ill eventually be able to pick it up again but who knows

[@MadDogRyan]

Grell is my favorite character she's I really want to cosplay her next once I lose some weight as some who doesn't identify as male or female I love how Grell isn't just a stereotype she's a full character that's funny as hell was born a boy and I don't care if people call me by male pronouns I find it's pointless to to fight for that given I just don't care I like to dress feminine some times but most of the time I just wear what ever

[@S.D.Js_pet_rat-Nex]

im now mixing anime but imagine Ciel as Saioma secret love child (danganronpa- Kokichi x Shuichi) btw this is original idea i just made it up XDDD

[@lilyandlewis2782]

'Till now, I can't confirm what gender Grell - chan truly is :v

[@lactobacillusprobiotic7029]

1:19 out of topic but I love Rozen Maiden music!

[@Chaos9669]

I would like to know what you think about the movie Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust if you have seen it, in case you haven't its on Netflix. Its like Castlevania.

[@WeebaLu]

I haven't seen it yet! :O I've been hearing it mentioned when talking about vampires in anime and I for sure plan to check it out~ I really love the art style, kinda reminds me of the artist who does the logo for the Final Fantasy games :)

[@CrazyGirl-jt8so]

Me: *doesnt really pay attention to Grell all that much and didn’t really look into the pronouns.* Me: *being an oblivious idiot* Me: *watches this video* Me: ... wait GrElL is trans?!,!? I’m an idiot... it was all there I just didn’t put the pieces together. Idiot... I thought it was grell just being grell.IT DIDNT CONNECT!!!!!

[@vmpqnmy]

black butler but all you could watch was the episodes on netflix my sad life as it is

[@WeebaLu]

RIP :( I mean you could try Crunchyroll for subs (just take a gulp for all the ads LOL) and other sites that I can't recommend because people can mad when you recommend *those sites*

[@vmpqnmy]

@@WeebaLu my situation is i have to download the episodes, and you cant do that on crunchyroll

[@WeebaLu]

@@vmpqnmy Aaahh I see :x

[@Marzianpack]

i’m a bit nervous about commenting this, but I used to believe the yaoi thing- but the thing is, I was like 12. The people spreading that information indirectly groomed me. after almost 7 years, I’m finally coming back to this fandom and seeing a better perspective

[@laurenmungaray3912]

5:43 People call Tohru a female "Tohru-kun" and "San" is for men and women so Yuki is using the right Japanese honorific for Tohru.

[@exchangediary968]

hey OP you are aware that Yana Toboso herself is a shotacon artist right? and in one of her infamous mangas Glamerous Lips one chapter was seen as the ptototype for bb

[@WeebaLu]

I hope you know that she made Glamorous Lip well over a decade ago, she's not a shotacon artist anymore. Most of her art now is for Disney or Square Enix' anime production branch.

[@exchangediary968]

@@WeebaLu and? she never publicly denounces it and on her Japanese social media she welcomes Ciel/Sebastian fanart, take her look at her official gallery from her offical website,

[@laurenmungaray3912]

@@exchangediary968 Yea, sure she does and if that's true it doesn't mean it's okay to ship a child and a thousand yr old demon together, idiot.

[@exchangediary968]

@@laurenmungaray3912 never said it djd, but by that argument she should be anti Black Butler, or just not support anything Yana makes because she draws that shit. YOU idiot

[@_Minos]

​​@@exchangediary968 Hey dropped diary, just cause her previous works were yaoi doesnt mean that the new ones are too. Besides ABSOLUTELY nothing bl/yaoi is there in the storry, exception is grell who is trans female. On the contrary the spot light is heavy on straight affairs for example Bassy and beast, or even in non canon stuff like Bassy and the nun, angela and her abuser, angela and pluto, etc. Plus Black butler aint even tagged as BL, not to mention that all her previous BL works werent a success and the publishers adviced her to try to make something that aint bl and boom black butler happened.

[@trooper8723]

The primary point that I think is missing with the whole idea about Grell, is that the story bases itself in history, using traditions and terms from that history. For example, it’d be better for a gay man to call himself a woman because if anyone believes he was a man, then it’d be viewed as disgusting, and sinful, which everyone around Grell is pretty disturbed by em.

[@Jolyneadventures]

That dmmd opening LOL

[@hengkerwibutzy3508]

Where can I read the manga?

[@Yuzukarii]

Preach

[@strawberrybubbles2099]

Your right Chibusa did kiss her own father

[@WeebaLu]

Yet everyone seems to forget that part -_-

[@strawberrybubbles2099]

BKgirl483 and still I remember that part

[@josephinamungaray6118]

12:31 What yaoi manga and youtuber are you talking about?

[@WeebaLu]

Papa to kiss in the dark lol and The Anime Man (Joey) as he claimed a "romance" story about a teenager falling in love with their biological adult uncle was more romantic and healthier than Yuri On Ice lol

[@josephinamungaray6118]

@@WeebaLu thanks for replying...

[@josephinamungaray6118]

@@WeebaLu What video did he mention it in?

[@josephinamungaray6118]

@@WeebaLu nevermind i found it...

[@laurenmungaray3912]

@@WeebaLu i think he was trolling lol well i hope he was but i do agree with him that YOI isn't all that special. Yuri's feelings came out of nowhere and the first time they met Yuri was blackout drunk so i don't see it as romantic because Yuuri doesn't remember anything from that party. Plus, Yuri is a gary-sue and a average joe at the same time. Then he gets a personality switch and he's this Casanova pervert wtf?!

[@nilsanani8829]

but you know that yana talked about Sebastian and ciel and same-sex relationship in her Twitter if you want more information you can search about same-sex yana twitter she talkes about sebaciel and she said that why people have problem with same sex romance i know why you don't like sebaciel because you think sebaciel is pedophile but i know so many anime that have this trop i think i must remind you that anime and manga just drawing that is not real ciel and Sebastian both of them are 2d character without emothion or something else that is not real ok

[@nilsanani8829]

@@MahouShoujo-Studios in japan age of consent is 13 and in victorian England age of consent is 12

[@sarafp6257]

@@MahouShoujo-Studios please read the manga Elizabeth never loved o ciel she loves real ciel. And they are not together. She was real ciel fiancee not our ciel in twin arc you could read more about what happened.

[@sarafp6257]

@@MahouShoujo-Studios In chaper 144 she said since that love itself was a lie neither you or my love are real.I think at first she loved real ciel but when the fake ciel came back and she couldn't tell the difference between her love and his twin . But I believe when she find out that real ciel is up to no good she will again side with astre. I think she still loves real ciel or at least the memory of him but she have to face it that he is dead . I don't think at the end she will end up with either of the twins . Her love for the twins is not real she is a stronge character I think she deserves more than twins. Because of them she couldn't be her real self. Sorry English is not my first language.

[@sarafp6257]

@@MahouShoujo-Studios I think he's fond of her .only like her as a friend I don't think he loves her in THAT way, not that I expect much, considering his age and state of mind. I also don't ship anyone with the other in this anime.

[@MahouShoujo-Studios]

@@sarafp6257 I only ship things that have evidence of being canon or are canon entirely. Liz x Aste have a lot of evidence

[@Ultima1134]

I used to be really into the Yaoi stuff between them in middle school but I never considered them to be canonically in love. just a bunch of cute moments lol

[@ashlanders687]

"Ash/Angela are fallen angels/demons"

[@WeebaLu]

The English dub I think says they're fallen? Though Sebastian only says that after Ash goes batshit loony xD

[@ashlanders687]

@@WeebaLu There was that time when the little soul things latched onto him and he said "An angel who revels in impurity. How the mighty have fallen." While the Dub replaced it with "You've fallen, haven't you...?" I tried taking this to the wiki as one point, but they denied it. ;-; I had a whole essay and everything, too! Really hope more people will get rid of this belief, as an Ash/Angela RPer and writer, it's tiring seeing it in fans and fanfictions... Q-Q

[@Korvo.420]

Tbh I use to rp as Grell for a bit and I was so confused when people kept referring to the char as 'she'. °◇° I keep saying he tho