What are six reasons Christians deconvert?

Do you know anyone who used to follow Christianity but has since walked away? Maybe you are wrestling with some doubts yourself? In this video, Alisa Childers goes through the 6 major points of deconversion (or deconstruction) and how we can respond to these issues when they come up.
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[@8emille141ghost8]

To anyone writing: „They were never really saved to begin with“ or „You can‘t lose what you truly had“ or something like this. Please don‘t be so quick to judge, you can never know what a person feels/is going through, and this can hurt them even more. Pray for them and be there for them. Jesus didn‘t tell Thomas to leave because he had doubts. He lovingly confronted him and showed him proof. So how do you justify your judgement if Jesus did the exact opposite?

[@CAHiredGun]

Matthias, While the way some people have been commenting has not being loving at all, those statements themselves are true Biblical doctrines. Some call it "Once Saved Always Saved" and others "Perseverance of the Saints". The Biblical bases for the doctrine that once you are saved, you can not be unsaved, are verses like: John 10:27-29, Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 1:13-14, and 1 John 5:13. The bases for the fact that those who leave the faith never truly believed in the first place (and also that there are those who profess to believe but in reality, don't): Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 13, and most clearly stated in 1 John 2:19. The issue is not with the doctrine, but with the commenters themselves. I agree with you, we need to remember that as Christians we are ambassadors for Christ, and need to share His Gospel truth in love.

[@connerdozier6689]

Us Christian’s need to stop saying these types of things and when a person is doubting or deconstructing that a good time to really dive in deep on the faith with them on their questions and doubts and let the word of God speak for itself. If they fall away, that’s on them and their part of not acknowledging who God is. It’s sad but we still need to show them the love of the lord so that eventually they will come to truly know and love him.

[@grimlund]

Christians allways like to judge other people. Its the "us against them" mentality they have. This is one of many, many reasons I left this crap.

[@thelovelylife7451]

@@CAHiredGun Yes, but a person struggling with their faith is not going to care about biblical doctrine. The comment is not helpful and only wants to make people want to run from God more. I think compassion is the first step. They cannot receive wisdom and information they cannot spiritually understand yet. It’s like putting a middle schooler in college. We must start small with love. Christians are the very reason I wanted to run away from Christ when I was going through a difficult time. No compassion… just spewing Bible quotes and verses. It would have been better to receive a hug and a nice cup of tea from a fellow Christian

[@CAHiredGun]

@@thelovelylife7451 That comment wasn't for people struggling with their faith, that was for Matthias.

[@MarcosJunior-ms4pq]

Guys I need prayer Ive been constantly struggling with sin and I feel that as the days passes by I'm getting far and far away from God and I don't wanna go to hell, so brothers and sister pray for me my name is Marcos I hope God set me free

[@bingo7799]

Keep in constant prayer to your Lord. He will help.

[@emg253]

God doesn’t want you to FEEL separated from him. When we sin we do FEEL that way and that’s why he doesn’t want us there. His mercy though is so rich and you are just under construction right now. Everyday getting better. Not where u want to be but not where you were. Keep watching and seeking advice. Some days that’s more than on what we feel are more sinful days. The force is strongest when the break through is close by.

[@MarcosJunior-ms4pq]

@@emg253 thx

[@MarcosJunior-ms4pq]

@@bingo7799 thx

[@slytheguy6761]

Ps 50:15 call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.” Rom 10:13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Ps91:14-15 Because he loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble: I will deliver him and honor him

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

1 Peter 3:15 “But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord.c Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you. But respond with gentleness and respect”

[@faultytitties]

I'm so glad I left christianity. The mental gymnastics you have to go through as a Christian to explain the cherry picking from the Bible that churchs do is exhausting.

[@AmberW28]

Bro the mental gymnastics is what did it for me.

[@Roseredeemed]

When I first started feeling empty I looked into my ancestry then so much other things just searching more and more getting emptier until I was broke down giving myself over to him. I grew up learning about Jesus going to a small Baptist church but comparing that to now that I am born again I see the huge difference. Everyday I wake up excited, early about everyday seeing, feeling amazing by how great he is.

[@scottymeffz5025]

Does it bother you that you still believe the same nonsense story now as when you felt lost in the baptist church? Just with a different, but equally incorrect, twist?

[@Roseredeemed]

@@scottymeffz5025 NO I was but a child then learning early lessons of his love and loving him yet not ever actually being born again that took til I was 42 years old to start my rebirth which wasn’t all just one experience it can be I think. I only know for me it wasn’t once you are actually born again the difference is like night to day it is hard to understand, I will admit unless you have been thru being born again. What bothers you so much about what I do in my life of what I know is truth, so much that you would take the time to comment? It is either your trying to understand which is awesome and it makes you frustrated don’t give up or your heart is bitter so others happiness, love anger you. One of the things about being born again is your heart is restored you are renewed not in physical ways but your soul, mind, are restored with the Holy Spirit from the inside. God loves you so much it’s amazing and it also is heart breaking all at the same time cause I can feel his love so deeply it hurts that others reject it. He loves them so much too that them never excepting his loving gift of salvation hurts me for them I want everyone to feel his love & him feel theirs. I love you Jesus loves you.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@Roseredeemed You have not been born again. What you know is not the truth, it is only what you believe in spite of all real evidence. The god in the bible is a horrible monster, I don't know who warped your mind into thinking that is love. I hope your eyes are one day opened to this madness.

[@Roseredeemed]

@@scottymeffz5025 why do you care do you love me? If not I do not need nor want “wise” advice from you. I’m good I’m not a child who needs unsolicited advice of another persons “truth” you do not even know me why would you assume I need educated from you? That is you ego, pride thinking everyone else is so wrong yet you got it all figured out you got the truth for everyone else. I hope you get beyond your own conceit to be learnable in your life. You are my brother regardless of anything else so I want you to have a fulfilling life have a great day.

[@thomasvinelli]

Scott get thee behind me Satin. Go somewhere else and troll. By your comments you will lose this debate. Seems to me by your comments your having issues with all of this.

[@John14-6...]

As far as Christian speakers predicting dates of Jesus's return I never understood why they would do that because Jesus himself said noone knows the date except the Father

[@mbfrommb3699]

Just to be clear you do know that you're taking the verse out of context completely and misusing it right? Here is an excerpt from a series of comments I have left here. Many believe that we can't know the time of Jesus's return, that we just need to be ready. Matthew 24:36 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. Except that often when I say Jesus is Coming SOON, people scoff at me and say you don't know that it could be 500 years from now. This verse is one of the most misquoted verses on the subject but I will attempt to show you how the Bible tells us differently. First, The Bible told the 1st Century Jews exactly when Messiah would die for their sins. Nisan 32, A.D. We know this because Daniel 9 tells us. The Pharisees in Jesus' time studied Daniel and should have known that He was the Messiah. This is why Jesus rebuked them in Matthew 16:1. He called the Hypocrites! For not knowing the times, yet claiming to understand and study the Bible. So does the Bible tell us when we should watch for His coming? Matthew 24:3 The disciples ask Jesus “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Notice the question "when?" As we read Matthew 24 we see the signs, we see the 2nd Coming being described but how are we to know for sure of the timing? Matthew 24:32-34 Jesus says 32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that He is near-at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." Many Christians believe that Jesus's return can't come because so much of the world is lost and we are going to bring the gospel verse 13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." This prophecy though won't be fulfilled by the Church because Revelation 14 tells us so 6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth-to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people- 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” If you think that the Church has some great mission to accomplish like evangelizing the whole world before Jesus comes then you'll have trouble accepting Matthew 24:32-34. Paul also says in 1 Thessalonians 5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. Jesus says we won't know the exact hour of His return but that doesn't mean we can't know anything. If I went on a trip and I said I'd be back either December 24 or 25. And then someone asked you when will he be back? Would you say I don't know? Or because I wasn't exact you can't even know the approximate time? No that's silly. Jesus tells us exactly when and how things will unfold. In fact, many students of Bible prophecy believe that Jesus will return on the feast of Trumpets. This feast is called the feast that "no one knows the day or hour" of because within a 2 da period depending on the phase of the moon is when the feast starts. But we know it's between those 2 days at some point that it'll begin. It's silly to say that because of this misused verse we just sit in the dark about it. After all God has dedicated almost 1/3 of His Word to the 2nd Coming and the events leading up to it. Hope this helps.

[@girlnotoftheworld2008]

@@mbfrommb3699 It helped me that's for sure!

[@BrotherDave80]

because they are decieved and spritiually prideful while being biblically ignorant

[@lutkedog1]

@@BrotherDave80 Most of us are not biblically ignorant but if you believe what the Bible is saying that makes you ignorant. The fact is adam and eve were not the first people even if they existed the bible claims they were created 6000 years ago and we know that is not true because we have human fossils that are 200,000 years old you are the one who is being deceived.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Mike-Romans, Because they are fakes and not Christians. Why is it so hard for people to understand that just because someone says they are a Christian doesn't mean they necessarily are. There are people who fake being everything in this life.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

_"People in hell are gnashing their teeth at God... they don't love him, they don't want to be in his presence"_ This doesn't make the doctrine of hell any less absurd. Most people who aren't Christian simply don't believe that the story is true. They don't hate God. They aren't gnashing their teeth at Him. They think of Jesus the same way most Christians think of Buddha. And yet, according to the story, they will end up in eternal torment because of that.

[@MarkNOTW]

Nothing you said or could say could prove the doctrine of hell to be absurd. You’re claiming things which you can’t prove and then criticizing others for doing the same thing.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

@@MarkNOTW If you don't think it's absurd, that's fine. I, and many others, do. It's a common reason why people leave Christianity. I'm not trying to _prove_ that it's absurd. I'm simply trying to explain why many people think it's absurd. If you don't want to understand why people think it's absurd, that's also fine with me. People will continue to leave, and you will continue to scratch your head in befuddlement.

[@cochisecarter6298]

Buddha never said that you can only receive eternal life and forgiveness from me. Buddha wanted to achieve enlightenment,not save the world from their sins. It's because they're in need of his atonement and they're rejecting that, and that's why they will be condemned if they don't repent and turn from their sins.Jesus said , "I'm the way, the truth and the life,no one comes to the Father but through me." Buddha never said any such things, so they're not the and at all.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

@@cochisecarter6298 I think you are missing the point. Do you sit around gnashing your teeth at Buddha? Do you hate him?

[@cochisecarter6298]

@@incredulouspasta3304 why would I??

[@incredulouspasta3304]

_"He became the answer for the problem of suffering... [so we could] be with him in heaven forever."_ Not for those who happen to not believe the story to be true... which is a lot of people.

[@jenna2431]

Reading comprehension is an ongoing problem for Christians. There's NOTHING that says you die and go live in heaven forever. It does however say that the EARTH WAS MADE FOR MAN FOREVER (Deut 4:40). Besides, that final judgement occurs ON EARTH at the end of it all.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

@@jenna2431 _"It does however say that the EARTH WAS MADE FOR MAN FOREVER (Deut __4:40__)."_ It's strange then, that Revelation says that the old earth/heaven were destroyed, and a new heaven and earth were created (Rev 21). I agree with your sentiment about "heaven" though. It clearly says that both God and people will dwell on the new _earth,_ rather than in heaven.

[@emailjough]

@@incredulouspasta3304 check out the book "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn. It's a tour de force for making the case that God will remake this earth into Heaven. The two will be reconciled into one. This book answers a ton of questions and corrects many misconceptions.

[@orthodoxinquirer5693]

A whole lot of people that don't want that answer.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

@@incredulouspasta3304 it’s not for not believing the story... it’s for having no one to pay for their wrongdoing but themselves.

[@josephsloop8865]

As a Christian who deconstructed, I can say that these points are true. There are real people who question their faith, and for those who just say "Well, you were never a believer to begin with" or "You just want to sin and not obey God" are wrapping these phrases and statements around them like security blankets to hide themselves from the truth -- that there are sincere people who converted, but did not and do not just mindlessly believe. They put their faith in what was said, what was written, and what was taught to them about Jesus, but when confronted with statements, points, or questions that run counter to their beliefs, they didn't just close their mind to it. For better or worse they grappled with it. This is because they seek answers to their questions -- REAL answers. Not mindless answers such as the above, or simple dogmatic statements that do not address the underlying concern. These questions may cover a range of things. In my case, they were questions about specific passages of the Bible that on their face, do not contradict the core of Christianity (Christ's death and resurrection), but are enough to question the validity of the gospel accounts and the NT, especially on those passages. So I tell you this as a bit of advice. If you want to reach these people. If you want to grow your church instead of just resigning yourself to going to a morning of empty pews and lamenting like Jeremiah that "they've turned their face from the Lord" and there's nothing you can do about it -- it's a sign of the times -- look at things the way they look at them. Put yourself in their shoes. Try to understand why they became this way. And lastly, remember this. Peter, John, and Paul made those statements above in a time when Christians were being slaughtered for their beliefs; tortured and beaten brutally to death at the hands of the Romans. They put it all on the line. And to have people reject what they said, after risking their lives and livelihoods, to tell them their faith and trying to convert them, is the ultimate slap in the face to them. So naturally, their words of retribute are incredibly harsh in that context, and I for one don't blame them for their condemnation. But this day is different. Much of the focus is in the U.S. where the discussions are more of a questioning and searching for the truth -- not a matter of survival where your life is at stake for the choices that you make concerning your faith. Keep in mind the context of those statements. Please keep them in mind.

[@karlazeen]

The thing is that if you did you wouldn't be a Christian anymore.

[@scottymeffz5025]

I think we leave because its plainly obvious that the entire story is (thankfully) untrue.

[@Bc232klm]

Yep.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

Every aspect of the story? I question your sincerity when you make a statement like that. I’m thinking you either don’t want to fight sin or you were hurt by people.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@user-gx4wi4cv2m Who said every aspect of the story? The entire story of there being a christian god who made Adam, a magical apple and a talking snake? Heaven and hell? Jesus is gods son, born of a virgin? Returned the dead to life? There is no evidence for any of this so yes - the entire story is (thankfully) untrue. Not only do I not want to fight sin - I reject the notion we are born sinners and ordered to be well. It's abhorrent.

[@cochisecarter6298]

@@scottymeffz5025 eyewitness testimonials,people outside the apostles who claimed the resurrection,even to death, the absence of his body in the tomb,Josephus,The Talmud,Tacitus, and Pliny the younger, all historical sources outside the bible for the existence of Jesus.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@cochisecarter6298 Some charismatic character named Jesus almost certainly existed around those times, there are very few people who claim Jesus never existed. However he was not born of a virgin, he was not god's son and he did not return to life. The gospels themselves are not reliable sources, written decades after Jesus died and often contradict themselves. Also... I have no intention of debating every misguided christian who decides to leave a comment. If you have willingly fed yourself enough of that mumbo-jumbo - despite living in the information age - then go ahead and believe in whichever magic fairy you like.

[@Whodatwhathappen]

Frank said in one of this many videos Christians are being talked out of it because they were never talked into it :0

[@johnharrison6745]

@@therion5458 No; your "understanding" of Dr. T.'s statement "is a ridiculous thing to say". Dr. T. was talking-about the fact that too many young people don't receive proper instruction upon which to base/build and defend their faith; just a lot of fluff and semi-mindless parroting. [not unlike what a lot of "atheists" receive from their heroes/high-priests that makes them THINK that they're intelligent and informed, when, in reality, their "knowledge" is tripe/propaganda from diseased/deceitful demagogues] 😏😉😜

[@mustachemac5229]

@@johnharrison6745 "Unlike what a lot of atheists received from their heros/high priests that makes them think that they are intelligent and informed..." Right back at you, theist 🤣

[@Whodatwhathappen]

@@johnharrison6745 don’t be prideful, be glad you know the Ttuth. @Therion how so, what John was saying i have something to add, Many use John 3:16 and don’t read the Whole Bible, meaning they use what they think is enough and live like there isn’t anything wrong with that

[@Whodatwhathappen]

@@mustachemac5229 :0?

[@Whodatwhathappen]

@I'm always Banned clarification please :0

[@jasminesmith5447]

First Jon, then Melissa, now you. Frank reaching out to all my favorite KZbinrs. And he's doing a live with Allan Parr in a day or two. I'm excited for it!

[@scottymeffz5025]

You need to find better youtubers - and a better book

[@TheRealMonnie]

@@scottymeffz5025 when skeptics scroll through comments on a video they disagree with, and reply to a comment just to heckle, I assume they will be the ones weeping and gnashing their teeth in hell. Please repent Scott. Jesus died for you to pay your sin debt. He loves you and wants you to follow him.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@TheRealMonnie Jesus loves me and died for me right? But I'll burn in hell for simply mocking someone? You worship someone who created and sentences human beings to burn in hell. Your imaginary god is evil, how can you feel safe?

[@el_cutchiloco7686]

@Scotty Meffz in a world with no purpose how did u come up with an idea of evil, I’m not saying you don’t know right or wrong but how can you justify right and wrong

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@el_cutchiloco7686 A world with no purpose? Who said that? I don't remember that scripture. The simplest way to justify right and wrong is asking "how would I feel if this happened to me or someone I love?" Do unto others I suppose.

[@malequijoyner2836]

Pray for me that I may minister to my family about the gospel! I am the only Christian in my family.

[@missyetheridge73]

Prayers going up for you Malequi!

[@fondusportfolio]

Needed this

[@wonkothesane8691]

Thank you for your helpful advice and counseling.

[@MrEvans557]

Christ never gave up on me and I pray that God NEVER allows me to give up on Him!

[@sawyerbaggett7616]

Would love to see Mike Winger join the Cross Examined team

[@robelggg]

@@hywelniiazumahnelson why not

[@shantilus]

God already has him in a great ministry. I'm sure his and this ministry will work together in the future.

[@Zoeybamboey]

Then the videos would go from 6 minutes long to 6 hours 😂😜

[@sawyerbaggett7616]

@@Zoeybamboey yeah you’re not wrong tho lol

[@kamo.k1458]

@@hywelniiazumahnelson yeah why not

[@glowheat4469]

Alisa, you made some very good points. Some things the church could improve on, first, stop saying the Bible is infallible and without error. Bible scholars agree there are things added and taken away, and new words replaced over the years. Scribes added things to make a story sound better. Mike Licona agrees on these issues. Second, yes, we have free will to hurt one another, but natural disasters kill millions, so if God is sovereign, and He is. Why all the disasters? I ask a ton of questions, and get faith based answers, if a person does not know the answer, just say, I cannot answer that.

[@Tonya-gi1ms]

Thank you for posting

[@AntonioRodrigues-cc2fw]

His return is very near. All the glory to the Lord Jesus Christ. Bless you sister in Christ.

[@TRUMP-2024-STF]

Why do you think Jesus return is very near..?? 1) where are you getting your time frame from.?? 2) Jesus own words.. Have His return in the 1st Century.. Revelation 22:7 ¶ “Behold, I am coming QUICKLY!! Blessed is he who keeps Jesus said to the readers of Revelation that’s He’s coming quickly.. 2,000 years ago.. so I challenge you to re-think about your post.. also in the same chapter Jesus says the same thing 3x... also revelation the very first chapter.. 1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-things which must SHORTLY.. take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, John is telling the ORIGINAL READERS that all of revelation is ABOUT TO HAPPEN SOON/SHORTLY.. So..I ask again.. where are you getting your timing..

[@kyaxar3609]

Yeah sure! The last person who said that He was Jesus had 100 bullits in his body😂

[@mickqQ]

Christians have been saying “The end is neigh “ For 2000 years And The apocalyptic movement that Christianity evolved from ... was saying the end is neigh before that .... Tell you what Jut tell me when it gets here 😃lol

[@TRUMP-2024-STF]

@@mickqQ Yup.. the end was near 2,000 years ago.. and that END.. was the end of the old covenant system of temple animal sacrifice.. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. JESUS came back to judge the Jews (southern kingdom) and come out of the Most Holy place (like the earthly Priest) to the waiting people. That signals that God accepted the sacrifice.. That’s why I’m Revelation Jesus says 21:6 ¶ And He said to me, “It is FINISHED!fn I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. THE atonement process is complete. SIN. Is no longer a issue.. as it was to those under the LAW.

[@mickqQ]

@@TRUMP-2024-STF End of a covenant What are you talking about man Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher, a member of a movement popular in Jerusalem at that time Jesus believed that God would create a kingdom on earth , Like the garden of Eden reimagined . You need to learn the difference between religion and reality Jesus didn’t come to die for or sins, he was killed as atonement He was executed for sedition , for being a public nuisance

[@deadtoselfShema]

I am a Veteran with PTSD that causes Focus Problems. Before the PTSD breakdown I taught people how to Teach. I do agree that the Progressive Church is a Danger; but it is especially a Danger to the Younger who have focus problems. So doing a teaching to help those with a Focus Problem is something I really know about. I am assuming you are supposed to be mentored by Frank? Other than when Frank is on a Panel; he uses the Screen and he is not the Focus of the screen. Unless he has a POOR Camera person, who focuses more on Frank, than Teaching Screen. You have NO TEACHING SCREEN. Don't teach something is for those who are not focused on 1 Thess 5;19-24 to TEST what they are supposed to test; but accept the "Easy / WIDE Road" of Faith. 1) you should show what you are reading since you tell us to look at what was said. 2) Your Description should have the "Post" you are teaching against; but only info about you and your ministry. 3) The Video of your teaching inside some box with neon light moving around your video makes people lose focus and they (I did) trying to figure out what is the back screen it is "Shiney" also Vets / Law Enforcement / Firemen / Health Care / etc are taught to look toward Peripheral areas of Movement where Danger can be. It might look "Cute" or "New" it makes people lose focus. The "Movement" Screen outside of the Teaching Screen is what Con Men do with the Shell game; and Magicians use to get the audience to look away from what one is trying to focus on ... slight of hand. I am not saying you are a Con Man, or a Magician, just using an analogy that it makes those trying to learn what you are saying ... those NOT of the "Choir" those who may be thinking to "Deconvert". 4) Those who are of the "Choir" (A) totally agree with the teacher, so yes they give atta girl / boy comments. (B) the Choir is usually made of "Alpha" Singers who are trying to be part of the focus behind the Teacher / lead singer (C) Their view is not the same as those looking at the Teacher so they find it hard to see if there is a problem (D) the Choir forget about allowing "Tickle my Ears" Bias, and forget to Test the Teacher. Even back (1960s) to the Andy Griffith / Mayberry RFD episode ... how one episode the "Choir" felt the "Robe" was more important than the Churches Foundation to be repaired. The "Choir Robe" is called a Cassock. Russian word ... USSR that is Atheist focused. 5) Frank uses "Proof / Evidence" Screens, as in showing the "Post" and "Scriptures" one is talking about. So, If you can place a Screen of your teaching inside of the Neon Movement screen ... you have the skill / knowledge to do a Split Screen, or move the Screen from you to the Post/Scripture and back again. 6) Pastors since "PowerPoint" was found as a Useful tool for Teaching … they started using it. The Problem is Pastors forgot to remind those they taught - ONE don't forget to bring your Bible to Service. TWO Don't forget to take notes. THREE Don't forget to use those notes to TEST (1 Thess 5;19-24) what I have taught. Yes, Power Point has caused Lazare Faire r/t studying the Scripture for what 30+ years but a Teaching vs a Sermon is different. The Difference is that "Sermon" the Pastor does not cover the "THREE", while most "Teachers" in Schools & Univ etc do the "THREE". Except saying the "Bible" they say "Text Book". Pastors have forgotten that the Bible is the Text Book / Manual from the Creator. Both Should be "Active" listeners. Active as the THREE points Pastors & Teachers should be reminding the Audience / Students to do. But NOT doing those THREE Pastors have allowed people not test what is being taught. Due to this "PILLAR" of Pastors & Bible Teachers NOT doing this, is why the what SIX? Pillars you taught have easily fallen. You did not do the THREE, You didn't even use PowerPoint or Slides or ??? To show Proof / Evidence r/t Scripture or the False Teaching "POST". ONLY YOU, and a Distractive Outer EDGE. Pastors & Bible Teachers forget the "Audience" is NOT their INCOME, but the Students / Disciples. Yes, many have left for the Progressive Church / etc because they are looking for "Tickle Me Elmo" Pastors. But Also Many have left because Tradition is what is Taught, and Not Scripture. 7) due to above problems, all I know is you talked about "Pillars". Freemasons have "Pillars", Islam have "Pillars", Mormon has "Pillars", Nutritionist's have "Pillars", I can keep going with "Pillars" there is Nothing wrong with "Pillars" in a Teaching. Your Audience was to understand how those are switching to the Progressive Church; who are of the "Lack of Focus" Youngster group. I have Focus problems, but due to Health I am in my 60s. Before my PTSD Breakdown, I had Focus Skills most do not attain ... If Pastors & Teachers have been doing the THREE - Know where your Bible is, and want to Carry it, Study It, Read it, Take Notes, Test the Teaching with the notes minimally, then the Progressive Church and School Teachers, College Professors, Atheists, would NOT be a Problem. Even with Lack of Focus I know this ... When I was a Pastor (30+ YRS) I always asked questions that the Other Pastors and Bible Study Teachers did NOT want to answer. Especially the "THREE" Pillars you have Missed that the Pastors/Teachers kicked down themselves. 8) I am sure you might have made "Good" points; but this Video is a 180 degree (About Face) from what Frank usually uses. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE you should redo this Teaching? I AM NOT going to try rewatching it. When I do a "THUMBS DOWN" I explain why. There is an old Saying ... If a Customer complains, there is usually 100-1000 customers who dont. Einstein said he learned more from KNOWN errors, than getting it right. OH Sadly, most Pastors and Bible Study Teachers DO NOT TEST what they teach. I have met so many Pastors that prefer reteaching "Traditional" prior teachings than test them and do Scriptural because when they do "Scriptural" with the "THREE" than People Leave cause they have made LAZY Believers (Are they really Believers??? if they don't do their own Bible Studies?) and these Pastors don't own up it is their fault; and have to be the "ALARM Clock".

[@trustyshellback]

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[@Vanderhoven1]

Beautifully done. With regard to item 2, perhaps like item 5, there might be latitude for variance of understanding on the nature of final punishment I.e., eternal destruction vs. eternal conscious punishment.

[@ansasunil3357]

one thing I would add about the last point is that , the people in church are humans , humans make mistakes but God doesn't.And that is why Jesus asks us to follow him, not the church or any other leader. As Peter says, follow me just as I follow Christ

[@cloudapostolicassembly5742]

I enjoyed your talk God-bless you The 6 Points are blocks or stepping stones if explain right there stepping stones to the Kingdom of God

[@lukehelpmetakethisdangmaskoff]

There is only One "stepping" Stone to the Kingdom of Heaven and It is The Stone that the builders rejected. Jesus is the only way to salvation.

[@matheusdabnei5540]

The six reasons: 1. Bible 2. Hell 3. Substitutionary atonement 4. Suffering (the biggest one) 5. End times hype 6. The church

[@mikebrines5708]

Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. (Matthew 13:18-22)

[@matthewbennier7476]

If any self-proclaimed believer doubts that the Bible is God's authoritative word then simply look at how often Jesus deferred to quoting from the written word. Being truly God, He could have made brand new claims on His authority without referring to Scripture, yet He very often went to the written word as authority. Jesus Himself showed by example how scripture is authoritative.

[@billyb7465]

Isn’t that circular reasoning?

[@justincameron9661]

Awesome video

[@philb4462]

If you don't think that a lack of evidence for the Christian message is a reason why people deconvert then you will never understand many people who go through that process.

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Yup

[@CourageTheCowardlyd1]

I dont understand why people are even discussing end times when Jesus clearly stated no one knows the day nor the hour when he is returning. We should patiently wait and be faithful servants as what he has called believers to be

[@datswhatsup2787]

Jesus Christ is the foundation, the Bible is a witness that testifies of him. Alisa you’re doing a good job 👍🏾

[@raulnavarrete963]

As a near “de converter” I’m appalled by lots of things related to the church. The blind faith, the “anti anything,” the lack of honesty, the lack of introspection, the lack of humility, and the list can go on and on. I see many American “Christians” as the antithesis of Christ.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

You sound like you deconverted or are close because you have a problem with people who hurt you or others, and you’re projecting that on to God. Those are two separate things. What do people in church being un Christ like have to do with Christ’s character and your faith? Your faith should be in God, but it sounds like maybe it was in people all along... and honestly I don’t blame you. My Dad did some things as a minister that was deeply wrong, and I still have issues with him to this day and haven’t found peace in my relationship with God, which doesn’t make much sense. What happens, from my understanding, is my ability to trust has been extremely damaged, so I view people as threats because I’ve been hurt, so relationship with anyone, even God, becomes almost impossible.

[@cochisecarter6298]

@@user-gx4wi4cv2m you need to forgive your Father my brother 🙏 then your heavenly Father will forgive you!! I'm not sure what your relationship was with him,,but keep asking God to give you a tender heart and you'll be able to forgive him in time. Stay strong in the faith and continue to trust in God your savior!!! He's able!!! 🙏❤

[@cochisecarter6298]

Raul don't allow people to rob you of your relationship with God. They're sick like we all are, remember that's who Jesus came for!! Instead focus on Jesus and your relationship with him and who he is!! I know it's difficult and I don't like some of the things the churches do either but I'm determined to continue in Christ until the end. In the end, he is all that's going to matter!! Bless you!!

[@mbfrommb3699]

part 3 Many Christians talk about the Rapture, the Harpazo, the gathering to Jesus one day and they try to figure out the when and how of it. Like I said no one seems to ask the “why” of it. Why does the Rapture have to happen? Many Pre-trib believers believe that it’s to save us from the wicked world. Many post-trib believers believe it’s a reward for enduring to the end to show the LORD whose worthy to rule in His Kingdom. I believe the Rapture occurs because God needs to save the world from us, not the other way around. There is ample evidence that the Church is divided (2000+ denominations) as we’ve seen we can’t even agree on some very basic theology. No one preaches on Jesus’ return because it’s too controversial and it’s for the future. Yet 1/3 of the Bible is dedicated to the topic and clearly defines the timeframe to watch with a beginning and an end time. Paul speaks about this in Romans 11 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” Before the Church God used Israel to show Himself to the Gentile nations. Then the Jews rejected The Messiah and God partially blinded them “that blindness in part has happened to Israel” for a time “until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” God uses the Church to cause Jews to become jealous and be saved. Romans 11:14 "in the hope that I may provoke my own people to jealousy and save some of them." Except for the last days Church which doesn't provoke them to jealousy. Then when the “Fullness of the Gentiles” has come in God will save Israel. If you think God is done with Israel and that Bible Prophecy which Jesus Himself says is for the unbeliever, not the believer is about you than you have missed the boat. The “fullness of the Gentiles” can only happen 1 of 2 ways. Either every Gentile (non-Jew) is saved or that no more Gentiles will be saved because of our witness. Many believe that Jesus’ return is far off because we all see the world of almost 8 billion people and so many are lost. We think we’re the Church, God’s chosen the ones who have the Truth, that Jesus can’t come yet because the world is so lost. Except if Jesus's return is very close then that means the Church has failed miserably in sharing the gospel. With everything I have shown you I hope you realize that the truth is the latter. The Rapture is the first Judgment God brings to the Earth because we are the first fruits of Jesus. Yes, it will be a glorious day to see our KING but in 2000 years of Church history we are the ones who bring the end of the age. Jesus loves us and we are His Bride and He has always known this so we have no need to fear. We just simply need to humble ourselves and realize we are saved by His grace and love and not think too highly of the “works” we do for Him. So what is SIN. Sin is what we choose to think, say or do that brings death to ourselves, others, either physically, emotionally, or spiritually, or destroys the planet. It’s when we choose death. We do this everyday in countless ways and God knows this. This is why Jesus willingly died in our place and conquered death. Paul says in Romans 7 that members of his being are at war. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. We are Spirit, Mind and Body. When we are Born Again Jesus says in John 3 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. This is why when we die our spirit goes to Heaven, but our body remains in the ground until the great day in 1 Corinthians 15, the resurrection day. The moment we are Born Again our Spirit is saved, as we walk with Jesus our mind is renewed and transformed. Romans 12:12 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. What is “conforming to this world” mean? Choosing death. But “be transformed by the renewing of your mind” learning how we choose death and instead choose life. “so that we may prove what is good and acceptable and perfect will of God” Choosing life and bringing life to others. Jesus said John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. SIN is choosing Death and not Life. It’s not about rules or commandments or righteousness or holiness, Only God is Righteous and Holy, it’s about choosing life in our lives. Freedom in Christ is simply asking is what I am thinking, saying or doing bringing life or death, physically, emotionally, or spiritually to ourselves or others or our planet? Then Choosing Life. This is our walk with God, this is the work He does in our lives. Our Spirit s saved when we believe and trust in Jesus, our mind is renewed and transformed as we walk with Him and on the resurrection day in 1 Corinthians 15:50 our mortal bodies will be transformed ad we will be made whole. Until that day we will war within ourselves over life and death everyday and almost always we will choose death. When we do simply go to the LORD and say I messed up. Sorry. 1 john 1:9. Then move on and be free in Christ. Stop living in fear and guilt and self torture. Jesus frees us from all that. He knows us and knows our flaws, and brokenness and SINS and HE loves us and will walk with us helping us grow in Him that when we encounter others we may choose life and not death and will forgives us completely when we do mess up. 2000 years and 2000+ denominations all believing they’re right. Doctrines and teaching everywhere and the Bible says in Proverbs 16:7 “When a person’s ways are pleasing to the LORD, He causes even his enemies to make peace with him.” Can this be said about the Church today? Not from where I’m standing. Many will say it’s because the world is so wicked. So sinful. Blah, Blah, Blah. When you examine church history the blame for the way the world is, falls directly on our shoulders. The Bible says, we were the first to kick God out of our churches-Revelation 3:20. We created echo chambers, 2 Timothy 3-4. We created hypocrisy 1 Timothy 4. We were the ones who are the apostasy of the Church not the unbelievers. I feel sorry for many believers because the greatest event in human history is coming and all we can say is “Jesus is coming, in the future” If your church doesn’t preach about Jesus’s return then I honestly have to ask if the Spirit of the LORD s even in your church.

[@briandziewa3843]

AMEN!!! 🙏🙏🙏✝️🇮🇱 Thanks for sharing! Sooo much truth here! Look into BEHOLD ISRAEL by AMIR TSARFATI. He isn’t afraid of teaching on ISRAEL & the Church, the rapture, the second coming, the signs of the times and waiting Jesus! So thankful!

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@briandziewa3843 thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to read through it. I hope it helps. These are things I believe the Lord is showing me not only about the how and when but the why of Bible prophecy. Take care

[@nocuriouscats8550]

Put on the WHOLE ARMOR of GOD

[@chapterrv]

And keep it on 24/7 💯

[@Brucev7]

🛡️

[@daughterofgod8152]

🗡

[@darkeen42]

Imaginary just like all magic armor

[@martinopoku368]

Sin sin sin is our main problem. We would love to go with the pleasure of the world and Christianity being a leash does not allow us. To satisfy and please our conscience, we reject the faith.

[@kendalbrenneman]

Maybe that's why you would leave, but.... not most others.

[@roodclover7109]

Christianity was always crazy from the get go. Change my mind.

[@dionysusacolyte8679]

Won’t you try some of my kool aid?

[@niek9107]

Great video, I loved it.

[@Jay123hollis]

1. Sola scriptura: “Scripture alone” 2. Sola fide: “faith alone” 3. Sola gratia: “grace alone” 4. Solo Christo: “Christ alone” 5. Soli Deo gloria: “to the glory of God alone”

[@Jay123hollis]

@Dustin Neely Christians have always believed in the five Solas but we didn't have them labeled until then in the 16th century.

[@benkrapf]

God showing up and letting the world know he exists would work a whole lot better than an endless stream of apologetics from desperate humans.

[@TomeRodrigo]

Something that doesn't exist can't show up.

[@scottbrandon9390]

A major reason why they leave is somebody in the church said or did something that angered them. In my church that is a major reason.

[@LandonMetochoi]

Nope! Not for me!

[@albertfralinger2711]

I stopped believing when I realized religions were just stories and rules made by man, and I left religion even earlier because of the hypocritical leaders.

[@jonsart5643]

@@albertfralinger2711 Don't let this people destroy your relationship with God. Remember that even Jesus called the High priests ( pharasees ) Hypocrites. For they do not follow what they teach. They love to flaunt and pray in the public, but deep inside they are wicked.

[@albertfralinger2711]

@@jonsart5643 I appreciate the concern, but I think I’m much happier without religion. I often spend the same amount of time that I used to devote to prayer to actually working to help my community and neighbors. That provides more fulfillment then I ever received from religion

[@jonsart5643]

@@albertfralinger2711 But u can serve God and have relationship with Him without religion. don't let the doctrine of men destroy your relationship with God. If u trust in God, u will be judged by Grace. Grace means God will take the punishment of ur sins that u deserve so u can become righteous. God will not judge what sins you have committed, but will judge u by your heart. But if u do not want to have anything to do with Him. Then u will be judged by the Law. And u will pay for your sins yourself. Pls think about it. Religion is a money making machine. Religion will condemn u, but God will not condemn u but will save u. The truth is in the Bible. Seek and u will find.

[@GuitarZombie]

I question if that is such a thing

[@livinia296]

Watch blogging theology on youtube Watch One message foundation on youtube

[@sandilla007agent7]

As Christians we have many falling away brothers because us as Christians are not living as we should. We are falling short of the character of christ. The second reason is when us a Christians get asked something we don't know our Bible and can't show TRUE doctrine. Some of us believe in tongues others don't, some teach people are burning in hell right now. Those who teach that are babies in the word need solid meat of the word.

[@kirkdoede2857]

IMHO for me raised as a traditional Baptist and not stuck in denomination and always open to the Holy Spirit and asking for his revelation and understanding in the WORD. I cant imagine deconstruction if you truly are saved and have been sealed in Christ being born again. The battle becomes when you want to except worldly morality and understanding over Biblical teaching. First off, if you don't believe the Bible (KJV 1611) is the inerrant God inspired WORD then your headed for big trouble down the road in your faith, you can believe that God can speak all into existence but he cant put his WORD inspired through man in his book the way he wanted it? If you believe its in error then how can you believe any of it? since you would need a man to correct GOD in the WORD inspired? 2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. This verse reconstructed my understanding of scripture and how it applies to us as Christians and everything fell into place. "rightly dividing the word of truth", you need to understand dispensationalism and how it applies to gentiles and where the Kingdom period pauses and the Grace dispensation is in effect. I was taught for most of my Christian life all scripture applies to us as Christians, It does NOT. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. All scripture is for us but not to us as gentile Christians. If you don't understand this your going to get all messed up in your application of scripture. Then your faith will wain and worldly confusion comes in with doubt and your headed to a point where so called deconstruction can happen, very sad! God will give you discernment and reveal to you as the Body of Christ what you need in this world just pray for it and trust Him. John 10:27-28 King James Version 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 888

[@jefftube58]

I understand the title "Christians deconvert," however, I don't believe these so-called deconverting people were ever saved to begin with.

[@xXAV101Xx]

I agree

[@hellothere6728]

@@xXAV101Xx can you prove that? Or are you just saying that so you don’t have to face the fact your beliefs might not be true?

[@connerdozier6689]

Those who fall away have never been thoroughly imbued with the knowledge of Christ but only had a slight and passing taste of it -John Calvin. They may have actually believed but only wanted to believe in the things that they approved of rather than what God approves of that his good for his kingdom and his glory.

[@michaliskoufos6911]

The main reasons are education and knowledge and getting over stupidity. Once people realize that you are just a laughable old religion among others then it's easy.

[@flatulentdragon]

You know what would have been helpful? If you'd actually included a link to the post you're referencing. So we could read it all in context.

[@brothercaleb]

No, she prefers not to… I wonder why 🤔

[@hansdemos6510]

Just an observation about what Mrs. Childers says about the first pillar of the Christian faith; the Bible. She notes that Jesus frequently quoted scripture, and _"So because we believe Christ is the foundation of our faith, we obey what He says about the Bible. "_ (2:39) There are (at least) two problems with this view. First of all, Jesus only referred to what we now call the "Old" Testament as God's word, but when Mrs. Childers says "the Bible", I am pretty sure she includes the New Testament. If she applied her argument correctly, the New Testament should not be counted as "God's word". This then causes the second problem that we cannot trust that what is written about Jesus in the New Testament is actually true. If the New Testament cannot be considered "God's word", then we should approach it the way we approach any old document, and that would almost automatically lead to the skeptical interpretations that lead to "deconstruction" of faith.

[@fidelfolozanoiii4499]

John 12: Jesus said: ... The word that I have spoken is what will judge him on the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment means* everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.” John 6:38for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

[@festushaggen2563]

Have you learned anything about the JW and Watchtower founder Charles Taze Russell yet? He was only a man and you're free challenge his qualifications and claims.

[@fidelfolozanoiii4499]

@@festushaggen2563 have you learned from the words of Jesus that those who dont accept Jehovah will be judge in the last day? No, and you wont because youre not allowed

[@festushaggen2563]

@@fidelfolozanoiii4499 I accept everything about my Father. What I don't accept is the changes Charles Taze Russell made to the Bible. Why do you?

[@fidelfolozanoiii4499]

@@festushaggen2563 adding the name of the father the name that was erase from the word LORD? again we are the only ones who accept him why are you against the worshippers of the father?

[@festushaggen2563]

@@fidelfolozanoiii4499 No, more specifically I'm referring to degrading the Son Jesus Christ to the angel Michael which was never spoken or written by anyone in the Bible ever. The people I'm most in opposition to here are people like Charles Taze Russell who aren't theologians, didn't even know Greek by his own admission and weren't authorized to make changes to the Bible that change the identity of Christ as God to a mere angel. I'll challenge and oppose any false teacher or false prophet who make such claims. Why do you believe Charles Taze Russell's claims?

[@tomroyal6167]

Deconvert? How can that happen? They were never born again! Matthew 7:21-23.

[@LandonMetochoi]

Nope! John 5:24 proves you’re wrong. Then again it’s all BS so whatever

[@stubdo16]

Thank you for your words. I often struggled with sermons in church growing up as I had a strong connection and faith with Jesus but never believed the taking snake, Daniel and the whale, walking on water or the literal resurrection, or atonement of sins business, or hell. It was obviously not true, and Jesus was clearly here to tell us to love god, love one another, forgive, that love and kindness is the important thing in life, not following some questionable strict religious doctrine or trying to look good. I remember the good Samaritan story was very clear to me in that respect. The Samaritan was the person we are to follow the example of. I think people probably deconvert as they get bogged down in the long winded intellectual arguements. My gran and mother Teresa are my main teachers. Love, kindest, service are what's important and the message Jesus tried to carry - I can feel it as clear as day and known it in my core all my life.

[@breatheeasily4013]

I will always be a believer but these doubts irk me

[@nadinegomez8858]

I’m Christian and getting through the Bible and reading some of the absolutely SHOCKING things ( esp Old Testament) in there... now I understand why some people end up de-converting not gonna lie 😕 it’s not an easy book to read.... We preach “God is love” but a lot of things He does in there are not loving at all........ VERY FAR FROM IT

[@kimberlymayes4061]

What are those things?

[@mbkkt9094]

Yeah, a lot of Christians seem to gloss over the nastier parts of the Bible

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

The issue with this claim is you are projecting your own principles on to the Bible, in this case your definition of love, but you would need to first find where your objective standard lies and how you have arrived at that objective standard. I agree with your claims above, but it’s important to understand where you are coming from. I don’t have too much trouble with claims in the Bible because Jesus is extremely real, so I know that the New Testament is true. Jesus came to fulfill the law, and the law was the OT, but that was one aspect of the law. The “law” is Gods rules for how we should live and the OT and NT are special revelations of the law. In the end it appears you are cutting off the branch you are sitting on because you are saying that the law of God is unjust, unfair, unloving, but where do you get your standard?

[@cochisecarter6298]

Nadine I encourage you to research the reasons why God did some of the things he did in the OT. The claims of genocide and such but God never wiped out all the people, and these people were committing horrible and immoral crimes against their own people.Many were sacrificing their own children to idols!!! They were also attacking God's chosen people,who were to show these nations the proper way to live and worship God.!! He wasn't going to tolerate that from his people's enemies!! May God keep you grounded and reveal his Truth to you in Jesus name!!

[@mbkkt9094]

@@cochisecarter6298 Oh, so it's ok because he didn't wipe out ALL the people? Let's say I accept that God was justified in killing the countless numbers of people in the Bible. Why does he have to be cruel and sadistic in the manner in which he does it? If we kill somebody through the death penalty we try to do so in a painless, humane manner. God simply could have wished all those people out of existence. Why did he have to drown them in such an abhorrent manner?

[@YourMomsHouse988]

It boils down to two main issues, at least for me. 1. The story of Jesus (among others in the Bible) is very similar to previous religious figures/beliefs. Christians may claim and give reasons as to why Jesus’s story is correct and the others are false. However, the question that everyone ignores is “why would God reveal himself (in the form of Jesus) in a way that was already being argued over by people during those times?” Wouldn’t God have his own way of showing the world who he is? Wouldn’t God want to not cause more confusion and disagreement? 2. There are many books and individual versus in the Bible that we have either proven are not accurate, or we do not agree with and choose to interpret certain passages in our own way or ignore them completely. Because of this, the Bible cannot be the actual word of God. It’s not a perfect book, at all. So why do we cling on to something written by humans who we may or may not agree with on? These were the two main reasons I could no longer call myself a Christian. I could probably talk all day about why I left. But since then, I’ve never been happier, loving towards all people, or more at peace with life than I am now.

[@chibu3212]

I can understand where you could have come to tis conclusion. I would offer a few rebuttals. For the first point, God the Father was not revealing himself . The confusion and disagreements came from the Israelites refusing to let go of the religious societal customs and traditions they held on so much to instead of accepting the Messiah, as there were many prophesies from the ancient Judaic world Christ fulfilled, but since He didn't appear exactly how they expected Him to appear, some of the Israelites rejected Christ while others believed. AS for your second argument, we are not a perfect species. Nor does reading Scripture ensure we will be perfect. Even in Scripture, Paul had to visit the earliest churches whenever they deviated from the Apostle's teachings. An imperfect species attempting to interpret an infallible Word does not mean that the book is not inspired. It just further proofs how imperfect we are. Our salvation is not tied done to how perfect we are, but through the belief in Christ.

[@YourMomsHouse988]

@@chibu3212 ok, so you’re suggesting that it’s the Israelites fault for the disagreements and confusion. So once this happened God just said, “oh well, I’m still sending you to hell if you don’t accept Jesus.” Also, wouldn’t God have known this would happen if he really is omnipotent? Let’s pretend that everyone in that area of the world accepted Jesus Christ and there was no conflict. Fast forward a thousand years later and the first settlers in North America come face to face with an tribe of native Americans who have never seen or heard of Jesus. How on earth would god expect us to actually get them to believe in Jesus and “save” those people from going to hell for eternity. I mean c’mon. It’s not even remotely sensical. You’re response to my second point doesn’t fully address my point. It sounds like you’re admitting that the Bible was written by humans only and not God, which I agree with. But that’s not what Christianity teaches. The Bible is taught to be the literal word of god, even though most reasonable Christians would admit, just as you did, that it’s not perfect. So why would an omnipotent and perfectly divine god, who apparently cares very much about what everyone is doing and thinking, allow the poorly executed outcome from his son and savior of the world, Jesus Christ. Most notably, why would he be cool with the Bible having questionable, contradicting, and false teachings in it? I appreciate you’re response and everything being said is with full respect. I think it’s important for us to discuss these things, so thank you.

[@smartman123]

God and Jesus bless you

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

Seeing that the lake of fire is a lake, I cannot see how there is different levels.

[@savedbymylovegodthelordjes8394]

So if God so (vengeful) why did he send his only begotten son to die on the cross and paying for our sins so whoever except him as a Lord and Savior wouldn't have to go to eternal hell🙄?

[@cochisecarter6298]

Sam these deconverts don't truly accept the word of God or they're in denial about the biblical explanations on these matters. That's why they walk away because they never truly got all the way there.

[@jimmyneutron6047]

Why does anyone have to go to hell?

[@1GOKU22]

@@jimmyneutron6047 read the Bible to find out honestly stop questioning things and start figuring out otherwise you’ll never know

[@TheBibleCode]

I first denied Jesus existence as an Atheist.... then knew that He lived put something inside of me... now his cruxifiction and dead shown to be factual.... now his life and his will his story ..... Showed me the TRUE God who loves me... I''ve never seen in any ways God's love for human in SUCH way

[@alanbaraka9800]

@514MTL can you provide testable evidence to show a god to exist?

[@TheBibleCode]

@@alanbaraka9800 I think you're not really well what I said I said that first it was an atheist so obviously this is the first question that I asked to anyone who was Christian or believer in God which God should I follow or anything so my first claim was to see who Jesus was and if he existed after I figured that out I saw that he really was crucified he really died on the cross and the claim that he was in front of that was claim everywhere and everywhere from eyewitnesses this even Roman history I can debate on this if you want and my point here was really to see the historical fact and evidence which the Bible shows not only through its accuracy of history but also on the prophecy if you're willing to talk to me privately I would really show you the prophecies Bible or filled like no other books ever in the world

[@alanbaraka9800]

@@TheBibleCode "I would really show you the prophecies Bible or filled like no other books ever in the world". Prophecy is one of the worst standards to try and show any god to exist. Think about it. You try to use prophecy to show the god but you need to show the god to exist first in order to verify he caused and fulfilled the prophecy. You need one to verify the other but you try to use the other to verify the one. It's a self defeating standard.

[@TheBibleCode]

@@alanbaraka9800 if you would go the final standard by seeing one book can predicts a few events that would be a few little case but if you were able to have one person to fulfill in his channel prophecy it would be one in one billion for just one of them

[@alanbaraka9800]

@@TheBibleCode you still have done nothing to show a god to exist or verify the bible in any way.

[@ryeclansen7371]

Jesus not coming back. He never was here in the first place - just a legend. Good to hear that lots of Christians are deconstructing. It's about time we threw out our superstitions.

[@apersonontheinternet8354]

👍

[@kingcrown9462]

But he existed historically tho

[@apersonontheinternet8354]

@@kingcrown9462 even if there was someone there historically, their supernatural capabilities are highly debatable. Practically nonexistent due to lack of evidence

[@tamago8042]

The statistics (pew research center) predicting the future of religion (in America) were kind of crazy- in the near future we might see the day where Christians are no longer the majority! I hope in the future, people will move on from believing the telephone game of what some guys said and wrote down two thousand years ago and basing their whole life around that.

[@joshandsarahstallings7708]

My trouble is what we call “the church”, the manipulation of scripture, either through mistranslation or intentional additives, the teachings and double standard of “the believers” … I grew up in church, and I still believe in the gospel. We’re not doing it correctly 😮… Christ commanded “love thy neighbor “ yet so so many feel nothing but hate.. Do we blame them? Would you blame a child for feeling of anguish, or would you ask them why, comfort them, and give them love? Instead with these “sinners” we insult them, while saying “come join us” … we say “here’s love” while standing proudly upon our pedestal. If I’m wrong… then why aren’t the congregations still meeting in fields, and ramshackle tabernacles… why do we have these huge buildings( some are amongst the largest in the world pft^2😮) … All these great things for the “Glory of God” yet the homeless live at the corner… Theres still kids going without a Christmas, there’s still addicts who desperately want someone to offer them help… “Well our church has many different outreach programs”…(how many millions did you just spend on the new addition so for your “community outreach center”?) Oh small church ..? Well I’m sure your Vanity sharing T-shirts with the church’s logo and a catchy saying on it has done way more for spreading the gospel than taking that same money, and idk… demonstrating God’s love.. Modern church does reflect the true teachings…

[@lukehelpmetakethisdangmaskoff]

No such thing as becoming "unsaved". Once saved, all sin, past, present and future is covered. We must choose Him, and once we do, He does the rest! If staying saved was our responsibility, there would be no one saved. To Jesus, the one true and everlasting Christ be all Glory!

[@TomeRodrigo]

We must not do anything, stop gaslighting other people with your religious nonsense. We are not interested, thank you.

[@TomeRodrigo]

"Is covered" .. It is funny to read these stupidities from adult delusional children without any critical faculties.

[@lukehelpmetakethisdangmaskoff]

@Flozya Creative I'd engage you further, but you are clearly suffering from a severe case of Cranial Rectal Disorder. As it is virtually impossible for someone with this disorder to hear anything, for obvious reasons, I shan't bother to to try.

[@lukehelpmetakethisdangmaskoff]

@@TomeRodrigo Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you will feel better.

[@squarecircles4846]

Athanasius puts it well, because creation was birth through and for the Son, it was suitable it was redeemed through Him

[@rethinkingjesus]

May I point out one thing that came to mind as I watched your video? You mentioned that we should view the bible as Jesus viewed the bible but there was not a bible when Jesus was on earth. Jesus never wrote anything and the New Testament hadn't been written nor was there Christianity. Jesus spoke of the law and the prophets but He fulfilled them and tells us we can fulfill them also by following only one commandment which is love God, love ourselves, and love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:39-40, Mark 12:29, Luke 10:25-37, John 13:34, also Gal 5:14, & Rom 13:8-10). Jesus definition of neighbor is very broad. In defining neighbor He told the story of the good Samaritan in which the hated ungodly Samaritan is the good guy and Orthodox religious leaders are the bad guys. I think this means if we love only those who love us it is worthless in His eyes (Matthew 5:46, Luke 6:32-36). It is much harder for we as Christians to unconditionally love those who were raised in different religions, nations or ethnic groups, or with different sexual preferences. I believe if Jesus had written a Bible it wouldn't be a huge book that we need to spend years studying only to have it interpreted so differently as evidenced by the many denominations and religions using the bible as the authority. I think if Jesus wrote the Bible it would only say "love God, and our neighbor as ourselves". We wouldn't even have to go to seminary to understand it and it's hard to misinterpret. It just takes a lot of dying to our flesh to put into practice. 🙏

[@lutkedog1]

The thing that there is not one time that anybody wrote about Jesus at the time of Jesus but when you have the equivalent to a circus of healing the sick and feeding multitudes and walking on water and nobody wrote about it at that time, that shows it is made up.

[@BosMutusCatholic]

At 1:59 - I thought "the church of the living God [is] the pillar and foundation of truth" 1 Timothy 3:15.

[@jjj4189]

The greatest man in history is Jesus. He had no servant yet they called him master . He had no degree , yet they called him teacher . He had no medicines yet they called him healer . He had no army , yet kings feared him . He has not won military battles yet he conquered the world . He committed no crime yet he was crucified . He was bruised tomb . Yet he lives today Spread the Love of our Lord ♥️

[@mickqQ]

Lots of people have those titles I can’t think of one king that feared him , In fact They had so little fear of him , the Romans kicked the crap out of him and nailed him to a tree.... ironically for claiming to be a king himself

[@KlaustheViking]

@@mickqQ Alright, name 3 people who have all of the titles Jesus had

[@edsheeran796]

Child of God, let pray for our country Nation State's communities and our households especially our families regarding the pandemic for some countries. Child of God keep your dream alive. Understand to achieve anything requires faith and believe in yourself, vision, hard work, determination and dedication., Remember things are possible for those who believe. (2 Corinthians 9:6) Help others make a living by sowing a seed of faith to this Saviour Orphanage Home Foundation, located in Benin, Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith. And let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your lovely family. You are lifted up above any spiritual tower. These children children are in NEED of HELP. Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, is a covenant seed, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what says by Lord of host, (proverbs 3:27, 21:26, 22:9) (Due, 28:15)(Zachariah 4:6) contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details :-[phone] ( luke6:38) As you believe and do so may almighty God multiply your income and and cast all the attack in your life and I pray for Divine Grace, favour, protection and blessings shall be your portion in Jesus Name. God bless you....

[@JESUSCHRIST-jw3tb]

💙from India

[@johnmakovec5698]

He committed crime.

[@festushaggen2563]

Christians don't lose their faith. Only religious people who think they're Christians but aren't, can. But they only lose their religion. Big difference. You cannot lose your salvation, you cannot know God and then not know Him and you can't be unborn again. We also cannot keep ourselves saved as we did not save ourselves. Jesus Christ gives eternal life which is exactly that. Eternal. There is no such thing as an ex Christian. As for the self professing alleged ex Christian, the Apostle John says this: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out , that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us." 1 John 2:19

[@johnroberts1009]

Well said. Your point is often overlooked but is so important to understand.

[@livinia296]

Watch:blogging theology on youtube Watch:One message foundation on youtube.

[@festushaggen2563]

@@livinia296 Why?

[@jobgeorge5787]

❤

[@dr.zoidberg5096]

Amen.

[@joygibbons5482]

Nope, none of those. Just realised it probably wasn’t true and then it evaporated.

[@zheliak6536]

I’m glad I left

[@somethingrandomyt8367]

Ok

[@xinosaj]

And I bet you're finding that your life dominated by psychopathic employers, fair-weather friends (if you're a female) or lonely nights in your basement with OnlyFans (if you're a male) is so, so much better than having an actual community based on ideals. 😂

[@stay_curious_BATS]

Me too.

[@aaronsmith1474]

​@@xinosajyou're projecting. Yikes.

[@xinosaj]

@@aaronsmith1474 I didn't comment on this thread, so I'm fairly clueless. If you're referring to the other thread, well, when a couple generations take to Chinese-owned social media to say the things they say about themselves...well, I believe them. Oh, I get it - all of us under age 67 or so got an increasingly bad deal. Honestly, you guys in Z got screwed even in being conceived - there is certainly a cost, on a statistical scale, to being born to 38-year-old moms and 44-year-old dads. The best advice I can give you is to find a community that's going to support you - and that's probably going to be one organized around a belief in a transcendent good. I wouldn't suggest giving LDS a try - way too silly. Catholicism is in freefall from scandals that are exponentially worse than any complaint you have about evangelicals. You can give all those liberals in the "mainline" churches a try - good luck finding an Episcopal parish that isn't an adult daycare or people older than Biden. So what else you got?

[@jesusdeity2010]

1. The truth is not understood by preachers. What lots of people (even pastors) don't (yet) understand. God created us according to His own image and likeness. Godly. Mankind/the first Adam fell. The image of God in man got lost. That's why there is all this predicament on earth (selfishness, greed, lust, wars, sicknesses, death, etc). We are all born into that mess. For the fall of man a perfect atoning sacrifice had to be made.... that is what God did in Christ. With His own once and for all perefect sacrifice, He paid the debt for the fall of man for us, so we can be indwelled by His Spirit again and finally receive the divine life of the ages back, the first Adam let got of in the fall of man. An amazing act of grace and love by our creator. That is what you see happening in Christ's first disciples. They too healed all and walked in unselfish love. And yes.... that is still avaible today. The holy blood is in place, the Holy Spirit is here to give us understanding, power and transform us back to origin. Not to be debated about, but to be embraced and be-come. So: The Kingdom of God already came. Through Christ, in Spiritform, in those that understand. Hence the divine healing miracles we experience. God manifested in Christ to give us back the divine life mankind lost in the fall of Adam. Christ, the exact image of the invisible God. The image we were created after in Gen 1. The image we lost in the fall of man. The image that can be freely restored by Christ's blood and Holy Spirit working IN us. What a plan. What a solution. What a love. What a God. Jesus is amazing. It is the ultimate conclusion of the word and plan of God. God came full circle. He Himself stooped down from glory to restore us back to original created value: Christlikeness. Walking in divine healing power and unselfish love. Jesus, born of the Spirit of God, filled with the spirit of God. The "Son" of God, the incarnated word, God in the flesh. For three years He healed all, raised the dead, casted out demons, controlled nature, spoke pure divine truth. He said: "Follow Me. If you see Me, you see the Father. The Father and I are one. The glory I have IN My Father, I give to you. It pleases the Father to give you His Kingdom/Holy Spirit/divine nature. I will send Holy Spirit, the same as Me, He will be IN you, guide you into truth and give you explosive power. The same miracles i do, you will do too, because you will understand that the Father is IN Me and I am IN you. Freely I give you My Kingdom/Holy Spirit/divine nature, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, freely I give, freely share" Etc, etc, etc. I have experienced thousands of beautifull healing miracles through the power of Holy Spirit IN me already. Broken bones, cancers, covid, all kinds of infirmities healed in seconds. Demons manifesting and casted out by a simple "get out, in Jesus name". Jesus. De name above all names. In Him all power and wisdom is sourced and.... He calls us one with Him. God in man and man in God again. C'mon Jesus!! So.... again: God stooped down IN Christ to restore us back to Gen 1:27 were He said: "Let us make man according to our image and likeness and let them have authority.....": walk as Christ. Christ, the exact image of the invisible God. The image we were created after and being restored to by His atoning blood for the fall of man and indwelling Holy Spirit. You are free to receive this original divine life of the ages by Holy Spirit of Christ/God. Ask Him to guide you into truth. Read the Gospel of John and fall in love with your creator. You are not made for the fall of man and its effects, but for the image/glory of God and to walk like Christ. Holy Spirit is the guide and transforming power that will get you there. Amazing grace. A big leap in faith can be made when we start realizing we are already IN Christ, IN the last Adam. Free from the fall! Loved! Growing into awareness of our new (yet old) godly identity. Changing by Holy Spirit. The most fullfilled life ever. Paul healed all on Malta. He understood and wrote: "As in the first Adam ALL died (lost the divine nature), so also ALL were made alive IN Christ to walk in Zoë (= divine life) again". "IN Christ (the last Adam) we are co-cruisified (dead to the fall and its effects), co-raised (justified/made righteousness, holy, blameless, above reproach), co-seated (one with Him)" "The fullness of deity dwells in Christ and YOU HAVE BEEN MADE COMPLETE IN HIM, who is the head of every principality and power". So.... thank you Jesus! Thank you for redeeming me from the fall of man. Thank you for your Holy Spirit that makes this new (yet old) divine life come alive in me. You are amazing! In the shadow of Peter the sick healed... He understood too and wrote: "By Gods power (Holy Spirit) and knowing Christ, we have become partakers of the divine nature and have escaped the fall of man". The divine life of the ages has been returned to us by Jesus once and for all perfect atoning sacrifice for the debt of the fall of man and His indwelling Holy Spirit in us. Jesus/God is amazing!!! Ask Him to give you revelation and change you to the way it was before the fall of man: Christlikeness. He will do so. For it is written: "the Spirit brings forth after His own kind". "I have come to give you Zoë (divine life) in abundance...."

[@thepilgrim1581]

Yes.

[@Kaymen1980]

Well, the one of the reasons people deconvert, is because they do what Christians do when they examine every other religion but their own 🤷‍♂️ They apply proper skepticisme.

[@orthodoxinquirer5693]

Atheism and "Skepticism" are just other religions.

[@Kaymen1980]

@@orthodoxinquirer5693 So you subscribe to two religions..? Moses is not mad, he is disappointed.

[@raifcluster]

I'm always amazed at how much energy and time self-proclaimed atheists put into arguing with Christians about a being they don't believe exists. I don't believe in fairies or unicorns, but I have not spent more time than it took to type this sentence to hate on those who do believe in fairies and unicorns. Why argue about it now? You'll have plenty of time when you stand before the Throne of God to argue your case before the very God you don't believe is there. Methinks you protest too much at this time. It is my opinion that the issue with you is that you don't WANT God to exist. You don't want anyone or anything to stand in the way of your rebellious, heart-engaged selfishness. The best word I have for you is one that even Christians are loath to use these days, and that is the word 'repent', before it's too late.

[@Kaymen1980]

You are not just self-proclaimed "christians", you are also a political opposition, therefore the time and effort.

[@Kaymen1980]

Oh yeah, it's my position that you WANT your god to exist, because you like not taking responsibility for your own actions, you are addicted to the self-entitlement, and you can't live with the idea that the universe does not care about you.

[@raifcluster]

@@Kaymen1980 So..... you've assigned the sentient trait of "caring" to the universe? Who has the religion now?

[@Kaymen1980]

@@raifcluster That you can't address my point without misrepresenting it makes you look weak.

[@mbkkt9094]

Because whether we like it or not, people beliefs in the Christian God are likely to have a large impact on our lives. Same can't be said for those believing in fairies and unicorns

[@tonya1802]

Jesus says those who fall away do so to show they were never of us. Jesus says ALL that the Father gives Him, He loses NOTHING and raises it up on the last day.... PRAISE GOD 🙏...GOD BLESS all of you.

[@GerardPerry]

I tried to explain this to a Lebanese man I was witnessing to this weekend. He claimed he had been a Christian in his home country. I tried to explain how it's impossible to be a former Christian, but my words fell on deaf ears.

[@ant9925]

@@GerardPerry Convenient narcissism.

[@curtisfloyd5942]

good video

[@joshuamartinpryce8424]

I believe you are half right. People focus on the bible instead of Christ, however superficial love for Jesus causes someone to follow Him. We should actually base our faith on the bible. Remember the rich man and Lazarus story Jesus told us. He was implying that true believers follow the words of God and bring these words into Godly and devotional living.

[@themysteriousnavi6850]

I want to believe in something because I know I'm gonna die one day, death is inevitable but at the same time, I can't help but wonder how true the Christian faith or any other faith is since it's so ancient!

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

Is there really anything new under the sun?

[@cjcatague2607]

When people die, our brains shutdown and our body turns to ashes, its a very easy explanation. But religious people just love overcomplicating death and other stuff too.

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

@@cjcatague2607 First off, you wouldn't know, having never died and second the scientific mind will tell you nothing is that simple.

[@ovrthinker5957]

1. There’s definitely a soul/ immaterial part of us. I mean why r there paranormal/ metaphysics/ spirituality. I mean if there’s no unseen soul-ish realm then it should be impossible for us to even think about IT being possible. Astral projections, demonic possessions, yokai. If such thing is impossible then why is there an origin in the first place. Idk there’s just many proofs. Even in cctv cameras, ouji boards etc. 2. Aside from the historical and scientific evidence. If u really wanna know if God is real then approach Him personally. Follow the guidelines of what the Christians are saying. If u really wanna know then put an effort in to it. They say it goes like this but not really sure: seek God with all ur heart soul and mind-> seek Him again and again like gaining knowledge about his personality cause He’s a person, He has likes and dislikes-> trust the finished work of Jesus -> repent daily sincerely -> and it’s a lifelong journey of knowing God and spending quality time with Him loving and etc. (Not confident in the detail of steps)

[@themysteriousnavi6850]

@@ovrthinker5957 Then why aren't dragons real if we can imagine them?

[@SickestDisciple]

As the Apostle John states in his epistle, they were never saved to begin with.

[@hellothere6728]

Verse?

[@lutkedog1]

I looked and your phoney verse don't exist.

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 4/4 What’s the “day of the LORD/Christ” in these 2 passages? Zephaniah 1:14-18 says The great day of the Lord is near; It is near and hastens quickly. The noise of the day of the Lord is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out.
15 That day is a day of wrath,
A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of trumpet and alarm Against the fortified cities And against the high towers. 17 “I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned against the Lord; Their blood shall be poured out like dust, And their flesh like refuse.” 18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them
In the day of the Lord’s wrath;
But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land. Notice 2 times the “Day of the LORD” is God’s Wrath on the Earth. Many people believe that since the term 7-year tribulation is commonly used and Jesus said in John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” But we fail to understand the context. Jesus is saying in this world we will suffer mankind wrath and Satan’s wrath. However, the Day of the LORD is God’s Wrath. Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5:8-10 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.” We aren’t destined for the Day of the LORD, God’s Wrath on the Earth. Romans 5:8-9 says this as well.8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. Romans 2:5 is a warning “But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.” So does the Bible say when God’s wrath will come? Revelation 6:15-1715 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” And if this Seal is the Gog/Magog war then let’s compare Ezekiel 38 as well 18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: I believe that since Revelation 5 says Jesus is the one who breaks all the seals that the Day of the LORD begins with Seal 1 but let’s assume its seal 6. Revelation 6 is still way before the 7 years in Revelation 11,13. Which would make the Rapture pre-7 years and Pre-Wrath or Day of the LORD. Conclusion Israel is 73 years old. We know that Jesus will return within the 1 lifespan. We see the Jewish Rabbi’s saying the “messiah” is here and will reveal himself soon. Paul says the Day of the LORD, God’s Wrath on the Earth will not come until there is a great falling away from the faith and departing and the Son of perdition, the one who will stand it the Temple and declare himself as God is revealed. That e aren’t destined for God’s Wrath on the Earth that at the latest begins Revelation 6:15-17 because of what Jesus did on the cross. And we also see many prophecies deemed for this time period happening. I don’t know what else God could do to tell us to get ready. Pray for the lost, share Jesus and know that your KING is Coming! Take care. May the LORD Bless you and Keep you until He comes.

[@amyk6403]

Leaving a charismatic or fundamentalist or evangelical church for a basic run of the mill Presbyterian church is hardly "deconversion."

[@francoisssangma996]

If you disagree with Jesus on life,marriage,sex,hell,etc.... STOP CALLING YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN cuz you're not

[@mickqQ]

Jesus was Jewish He didn’t believe in hell

[@kevinseanzebua6342]

@@mickqQ Jewish believed in hell. ...Sadducees didn't

[@kevinseanzebua6342]

@@mickqQ I mean the whole Jewish believed in hell except Sadducees

[@edsheeran796]

Child of God, let pray for our country Nation State's communities and our households especially our families regarding the pandemic for some countries. Child of God keep your dream alive. Understand to achieve anything requires faith and believe in yourself, vision, hard work, determination and dedication., Remember things are possible for those who believe. (2 Corinthians 9:6) Help others make a living by sowing a seed of faith to this Saviour Orphanage Home Foundation, located in Benin, Edo state Nigeria before 2days with faith. And let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your lovely family. You are lifted up above any spiritual tower. These children children are in NEED of HELP. Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, is a covenant seed, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what says by Lord of host, (proverbs 3:27, 21:26, 22:9) (Due, 28:15)(Zachariah 4:6) contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details :-[phone] ( luke6:38) As you believe and do so may almighty God multiply your income and and cast all the attack in your life and I pray for Divine Grace, favour, protection and blessings shall be your portion in Jesus Name. God bless you....

[@mickqQ]

@@kevinseanzebua6342 The Jews dont believe in an after life When you die you go to shoel

[@tomlewis632]

The reason people fall away is when you need answers, or a miracle. They never come. Only to be told the old cop out of, oh you just don’t have enough faith, or yeah see it’s your unbelief. I wouldn’t pray, or seek if I didn’t believe in the first place. Or how about, oh, it’s your unforgiving attitude, so you for give everyone in every way, or it’s that you have secret sins you don’t know about, or a family curse, or what ever. Can’t you just have simple faith, pray and trust god to help. But you find that it does not work that way. The Bible is long on the what, but very short on the how. People will only go so far with no results before they quit and move on. I have known many Christians over the years that needed and prayed to god for help or a miracle, and never got it. They died praying, crying, hoping, for something that never happened. Disappointment my friend is where decisions are made.

[@freddhernanadez2230]

I did get my prayers answered

[@tomlewis632]

@@freddhernanadez2230 Great. Since God answers your prayers. Pray for me that I can get prayers answered from him.

[@freddhernanadez2230]

@@tomlewis632I don't command HIM in the least bit. based on your comments WHY would HE help YOU??

[@livinia296]

Watch:one message foundation on youtube. Watch:blogging theology on youtube.

[@nigelcoop]

I listened to this post (all the way through) and couldn't help wondering who the post was supposed to be directed at. In the end, I had to assume that it was intended for fellow Christians who knew somebody who was going through the process of deconstruction. If it was designed to assist such people in offering guidance to deconstructing Christians, then you do nothing more than rehearsed things that are accepted as facts (only by Christians) on a very superficial level. If I was in the process of examining my Christian faith, in detail, and somebody approached me with the various points that you raise, I would regard them as a nuisance and want them to go away (and that's putting it politely). I think it goes without saying that anybody unchurched, or non-Christian, watching this posting, would probably glaze over or just plain switch off, inside a minute. To anybody who used to be a Christian (like me) you come across as resizing a load of baseless nonsense. Your approach effectively builds a wall, that you genuinely seem unaware of, between you and who you are speaking to. I don't suppose my comments will make one jot of difference. You will go away from this believing that you were right all the time. Good luck with that. Look at the catastrophic decline in the sheer number of people who attend church and the rise in those people who regard themselves as spiritual, but having no religion. Your dogmatic attitude contributes to Christianity circling the drain, blissfully unaware of it.

[@ordinarychap1085]

On that note, where Jesus is recorded: John 10:17-18 "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." How can history, and the present day continue to hold Judas Iscariot in such low esteem, as if he done Jesus dirty? ... Makes no sense to me. Legit question, if anyone cares to explain the incongruence - I'm all ears.

[@Bc232klm]

The top reason is people start to think critically about the world around them and don't rely on indoctrination to discern truth.

[@cochisecarter6298]

Actually,the world around us makes far more sense through the Christian world view.I am a critical thinker, and that's what made Christianity even more viable to me,in order to make sense of why people behave the way they do, and why they do some of the things they do.John 3:19-21, explains that people love their dark deeds,and hate the truth and being exposed.It's because people don't want to be held accountable for what they do in the dark, when they think no one else is watching. The Bible says that God sees all, and so it's far better to believe he doesn't exist,rather then face any moral accountability. That's a major reason I didn't want to believe either.I know better now. The Bible is there to warn us that we will be held accountable but we have a way out through Jesus Christ the Lord. He wants to cleanse us of all our guilt and shame, which we all have and are burdened with. In return, we'll receive that ideal world in which we all dream about, that is without illness,pain, and death!! You can't have a better deal than that.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

@Martin Luther There are many Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists who would claim their belief is the reason for overcoming addiction. There are also secular organizations that help people with addiction. It is far more likely that the organized framework and hope Christianity provide is the reason rather than a transcendent being.

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

@@cochisecarter6298 There is no being who can grant forgiveness via divine proxy. Forgiveness comes, or doesn’t come, from the injured party. Taking responsibility for one’s actions is to genuinely seek out those you’ve harmed, ask for forgiveness, accept their response and move forward learning from our mistakes.

[@jarrodderr]

I sure love the many answers to the opposite of this question. Some of the best stories are testimonials. ❤️

[@tamago8042]

The problem of suffering part of this video just completely dodges the question with more “Jesus died for your sins” bs. I don’t really believe in a god, but if there were one I sure wouldn’t worship them after all the pain and suffering you in the world. If a god is all powerful, all good and all knowing, a world like this wouldn’t exist. And if this senseless suffering, all the abuse, torture, disease and the like are “all part of god’s plan,” I don’t want any part of it, and I sure as hell am not worshipping something that would make such a “plan”

[@incredulouspasta3304]

_"A consistent string of failed prophecies concerning the return of Jesus and the end of the world"_ Which is strange for group of people who are supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit, and have a personal relationship with a living Jesus. _"We can respectfully disagree with each other... about other specifics about end-times"_ Why is this necessary, if your foundation is Jesus rather than the Bible? Jesus can clear it up. Surely, all true Christians will converge on the same answer if they just ask Jesus. There's no need to rely on conflicting interpretations of confusing Bible passages.

[@cochisecarter6298]

There are many people who aren't truly following Christ and that's why you get these end time cults. People want something other then Jesus and that's what they're receiving.

[@1GOKU22]

@@cochisecarter6298 Fr it’s a lot of false or you can say lukewarm Christians out there who deceived many people and that’s what really give us Christians a bad look

[@noodle1855]

So I stopped believing because the science in the world doesn't work with the science in the bible. We don't see miracles, except Chris angel, and most of the things the old testimant God does describe what an angry 10 year old would do. It just seemed more and more like a load of crap. When I finally realized there really wasn't any evidence for a live God, I was able to remove a lot of guilt from my life for things I thought were bad that weren't. Doing much better in life now 😌

[@sierraclark6129]

“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.

[@roodclover7109]

But tomorrow is pretty likely especially if you're young. The phrase "Tomorrow isn't promised" is a scare tactic. A very sly and effective scare tactic. But young people are more likely to not be phased by that line because, well, they see death as old age or disease or an accident, but they think it will happen when they grow up. Young people live in the present for the most part, so that phrase isn't comprehended that much by most youth. The phrase "Tomorrow isn't promised" is more geared towards the adults.

[@stubdo16]

Hopefully this comment will be useful and not pedantic but in the first bit of the talk, the millennium is a thousand years, by definition. When it is is another matter, I agree. 🙏🏼❤️

[@tryemc3026]

I picked up on couple lies or misqoutes, Jesus says, the only true God is the father, so how can he be God? Jesus cried out , my God why you have forsaken me? so he did not lay his life down, he was killed by romans and pharacies. Where in the bible jesus says is coming back ?

[@onearsenal2088]

I think some folks are looking for an alternative, any alternative, to trusting in Jesus. Although it is a lie, anything that seems to allow a person to trust in themselves rather than Jesus is probably a more appealing way to go through life.

[@albertfralinger2711]

Some people think Jesus is a lie.

[@lutkedog1]

@@albertfralinger2711 Nobody at the time of Jesus wrote about Jesus for that reason alone it is a lie.

[@thebelen2359]

When I was 12 I started questioning everything. And eventually that led to me questioning religion. Here's why I deconverted (the reasons are in order): 1. *Descrimination:* My doubts started when I realized how discriminatory the church and Christianity are. Sexist - Who has more power in church? Men. There's never been a female Pope, and most churches don't allow female priests either. Not to mention God and the devil are always referred to as male. Homophobic - Lots of christians believe romance between 2 people from the same sex is a sin. To this day I haven't been able to figure out how this is true. After all, it's love and it doesn't hurt anyone. Transphobia - Again, transgender doesn't hurt anyone and it makes people happy so what's the harm? Because it's not the body God gave you? Well, God also gave you a mind and for some people their minds disagree with their bodys. Also, and this applies to both homophobia and tranphobia - if God really is all loving, wouldn't they want you to be happy and live your life to the fullest as yourself? Especially when you didn't choose to feel the way you do. 2. *Lack of evidence:* For some people, the evidence there is on Christianity is enough, and if that's your case, good for you. But it's not my case. I'm not an atheist though, since I recognize that there is some evidence, and there are so many things that we still can't explain with science, I don't think completly rulling Christianity out is a good idea. This is why I became and agnostic. I simply believe that with the evidence we currently have, we can't determine which (if any) religion is true. 3. *Evil and pain existing:* You mentioned this. And the explanation you gave about freewill is good, but that only explains why we can do evil. Not why it exists in the first place. If evil and pain didn't exist, we wouldn't be able to cause or experiance it, not because God is controlling us into not doing it, but because the option wouldn't exist in the first place. 4. *Hell:* You mentioned this one too. Personally, I just can't see how an all loving God would let such a place exist. Also, I don't think there's anyone in the world who deserves to be punished for all eternity. I mean, really think about what that means. It's not for a lifetime. It's not for a thousand, or a million, or even a billion years It's _for all eternity._ Who actually deserves that? And tbh, I'd argue you could use the same criteria for heaven. Who actually deserves to be happy, free of all pain forever? 5. *Certain acts God did in the Bible:* The first one that comes to mind is the plagues They made to free the slaves from Egypt. These plaguee didn't just affect those who had a role in slavery. They affected everyone in Egypt. Entire families, children. What did they do to deserve that? Simply live in Egypt? Not stop the slavery? What could they have done? Stand up to the pharaoh and tell him to stop? They probably would've been executed and accomplish nothing. Also, they were taught from an early age that slavery was fine and normal. That the slaves were worth less than them. How can you blame someone for believing what they've been taught their entire lives, and what everyone around them believes? Anyway, these are the main reasons why I deconverted. Like I stated before though, I don't completly rule out the possibility that it's all true. I simply say I don't know. I respect everyone's beliefs though. Sorry for making this so long 😅. P.S: Doubt anyone will actually read this entire thing, but if someone can answer some of the questions I made that would be greatly appretiated.

[@thepilgrim1581]

Peace be unto you. For it is written: ISAIAH 55:6-7 6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Amen *************** GOD'S thoughts are not your thoughts brother. ISAIAH 55: 8-9 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Amen Do you choose to follow GOD or your own? Amen

[@russqueen8084]

Discrimination: I'm sorry you are seeing God and God's people the way that you are. No doubt that God's people can sometimes have good intentions but make matters worse(not to mention certainly be discriminatory). It's hard, but the Holy Spirit can change hearts to see the truth. In terms of the male/female you mentioned above, one needs to see this through the lens of the Created Order. This is very important. God, the Creator of all things, created Man first out of the dust of the ground, then Female from the rib of the first man (Adam). So, everything that follows from there in terms of church leadership, marriage roles, etc are set out to adhere to the original created order, before sin. Once sin entered the world, everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) fight to be DISORDERED. With regard to the sin of same-sex acts (notice I didn't say homosexual THOUGHTS, but the actual act) is that God forbids it. Both the OT and NT are filled with scriptures that forbid the practice. Based on the authority of scripture and all people's need to repent on their sin and avoid the wrath of a Holy God (more on that below), it is the MOST loving thing a Christian can do by alerting people to their sinful behavior so they can repent. God is loving, as you say, but he is also Holy. What He calls sinful (homosexuality being one of many sins He can't be around) remains sinful regardless of what our thoughts are about the subject. Doesn't make those things easy to grasp, but is nonetheless the truth. Evidence: You need to remember that Science can only explain things that are observable. Science will never have an ounce of factual information about the human soul, b/c our souls cannot be observed. Take the resurrection for example. It's a huge stumbling block. With our eyes, nothing gets raised from the dead. Nothing. But, with God (the Creator of all) He can do and does do what is in line with his Holy will. Just as He can stop me from breathing one day, He can raise His Son from the dead. God (Creator) doesn't have any limitations as creation does. If He did, He would cease to be God. Evil and Pain: With sin, comes consequences. The consequence of sin is always pain. It's not hyperbole when Jesus said that if your eye makes you look on someone lustfully, it's better to carve it out and enter the Gates of Heaven with one eye and not go to hell with two eyes. That's how serious sin is. Also, how would we ever experience God's loving-kindness if there was no pain and suffering? His loving-kindness is there to draw us towards repentance, not for us to recognize good vs evil only. It's all about the recognition of sin, the recognition of a Holy God's claim on our lives, and our need to repent of all of our sin and trust that Jesus provided the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf. Anything short of that misses the Lordship of Jesus. Hell: This is where the Holiness of God is so very hard to grasp. I struggled with this as well for quite some time. God is holy, He cannot be around sin. That's a fact. Scripture is filled with passages and stories in which people had to hide their faces b/c of His radiant glory (Read: holiness). Because God can't be around sin, unrepentant people are cast out of His presence forever. Because He is in heaven, unrepentant sinners can't go to heaven. I would encourage you NOT to rank sins (i.e. who deserves eternal Hell or eternal Heaven). The truth is, we all deserve the former and none of us deserve the latter. But, out of God's loving-kindness, He chooses to place His wrath (appropriate, Holy Wrath) towards sin on the Person of Jesus Christ. Jesus's work on the Cross is literally the only reason, our only plea as to why we should be able to join God for all eternity. We can't build up "good" things we have done, we can't count how many times we have attended church, how much money we donate or even how much we "love" others. It's all junk. Our only plea as to why we can one day finally stand in the presence of a Holy God is b/c of Jesus. As we trust in Jesus, God views us as righteous in His sight. It's a mystery, but one that we can trust. Certain Acts in Bible: Yes, some of God's actions in the Bible seem out of place to us. Why did children have to suffer through the plagues? Why were there so much death and fighting and killing? Some of these things we can never fully understand. However, if we go back to God being the Creator of all humanity and caring for His people (despite their sin and rebellion) as well as God's love for everyone by sending his Son to earth to die the death that WE DESERVED, you can start to see that God's plans are higher than ours, certainly, our finite minds can't wrap around all of the details that God had in mind when he chooses to do one thing or the other. But, the whole of scripture is there to point us to our need for salvation and that salvation is only being found in Jesus Christ. In the interim, I'll be praying for you. There is so much more to be written, but hopefully God will use your belief and help your unbelief, as he did in Mark 9.

[@JohnnyQuick_]

@@russqueen8084 - Are you saying your god cannot be observed? I have an invisible dragon in my garage. Prove me wrong.

[@FOTWC]

John 1:1 the word, God , and Jesus are 1 that’s our authority

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 3/4 So where does the Rapture fit into all of this? If we examine Revelation 6 and see these events along with the Rabbi’s beliefs that this false messiah is here then where does the 7 year period fit in and is the Rapture before, in the middle, or after it? Daniel 9:27 and Revelation 11,13 all bring together a 7 year period. Daniel 9 says this false messiah will confirm a “covenant with many” for 1 week. By studying Daniel’s 70 weeks we know 1 week is 7 years. 69 weeks were fulfilled at the Crucifixion with 1 week left to fulfill the 70. When we read Daniel 9:24 24 “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, (who are Daniels’ people? The Jews, where is Daniel’s holy city? Jerusalem)
To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint [g]the Most Holy. We see 70 weeks is for the Jews and Jerusalem for them “to finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness,’ How can they do this? The same way we do though believing in Jesus. Romans 11 6 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” The last 7 years are for the Jews and Jerusalem. In Revelation 11:1-2 we see the Temple rebuilt in verse 3, 7 we see this written. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” verse 7 7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. So the Temple will be rebuilt and the 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days and then the Beast will rise and kill them. The Hebrew calendar is 360 days 1,260 days is 3.5 years. Revelation 13:1,5-6 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea Revelation 17:8 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit…” Revelation 13:5-6 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 42 months is 3.5years. This is the 7 years shown between Revelation 11-13. The Antichrist as I understand it will be the false Messiah when he reveals himself to the world, then he will gain power and influence by signs and wonders Matthew 24 as the world is in chaos Revelation 6. Then after God saves Israel at the Gog/Magog war the world is ravaged and the false messiah facilitates a peace covenant for 7 years with many nations which includes rebuilding the Temple. The Jews think that they have entered their “Golden Age” the Messianic Age. The first 3.5 years are peaceful and prosperous, but after 3.5 years the false messiah aka the Antichrist will stand in the Temple and defile it and declare himself as God, and he will become the Beast and unleash Hell on earth for the last 3.5 years until Jesus returns. See why I don’t agree with the term 7-year Tribulation if the first 3.5 are peaceful and the last 3.5 are the Great Tribulation Matthew 24? So where does the Rapture fit in now that we see the 7 years? Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (NASB) I am going to include 2 other translations so we can compare some terms and se if it resolves some debates Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, (NKJV) Now [a]we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our [b]assembling unto him, 2 [c]That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by [d]spirit, nor by [e]word, nor by [f]letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [g]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. 1599 Geneva Bible (Pre KJV) First let’s look at verse 1 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, NASB Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask youNow [a]we beseech you, (NKJ) brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our [b]assembling unto him, (1599 Geneva) Jesus said in John 14;1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. So I believe 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is about the gathering to Jesus , the Rapture. Verse 2 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. (NASB) 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. (NKJV) 2 [c]That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by [d]spirit, nor by [e]word, nor by [f]letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand. (1599 Geneva) So we have the “Day of the LORD”, and the “Day of Christ” This passage is saying that the Thessalonians Church had received a false letter, they believed to be true that the “Day of the LORD/Christ had come and they missed the gathering to Jesus. Verse 3 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (NASB) 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, (NKJV) 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: [g]for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. Notice we have “For that day ( the day of the LORD/Christ) will not come unless the “apostasy” “falling away” and “a departing” comes first and the son of perdition is revealed. 1 Thessalonians 5:1 says But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape”

[@juniperman]

#7 sadistic nuns wielding wooden rulers

[@zertmcdirt7843]

Nuns aren’t Christian.

[@juniperman]

@@zertmcdirt7843 what ?

[@savedbymylovegodthelordjes8394]

praise the Lord and God bless you

[@TomeRodrigo]

no

[@truthornothing5810]

I don't understand the title of this video, because I thought there are only new creatures in Christ, how can you be born again and then D convert. That doesn't make any sense, there are only New Creations in Christ, the born-again Christian will sin but we're not a slave to sin Romans chapter 6.

[@truthornothing5810]

@Richard Fox what are you talkin about? I would really like for you to explain your statement.

[@donthomson10]

Matthew 19:26 With God all things are possible vs Judged 1:19 And *the LORD was with Judah,* and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain *because they had chariots of iron.* Which one is it? *God beaten by iron chariot or With God all things are possible?*