What did we actually learn from Arsenal vs Tottenham?

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Arsenal drew with Tottenham in a fascinating North London derby on Sunday. Both sides shared the points in a game that seen goals from Bukayo Saka, Son Heung-min and an own goal from Cristian Romero.
It was Ange Postecoglou's biggest test yet as Spurs manager, with the Australian coming away with more points than any of Tottenham's previous 3 managers visits to the Emirates Stadium.
But what did we actually learn from the game? JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie discuss.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:30 What are Arsenal doing different?
01:35 Difference in Buildup
04:08 Spurs' Press
07:02 Tempo Talk
08:05 Arsenal's Press
10:49 Jesus is amazing off the ball
12:32 Arsenal's surprising pressing trap
13:09 How to win a football match
13:24 Spurs were great in possession
18:08 Arsenal were able to generate similar chances last season
19:58 What did we actually learn?
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#arsenal #tottenham #premierleague

[@football.cinema.]

The fact that this Spurs team has made this much progress in just 6 games is frightening.

[@yangzixiang6605]

yea..

[@DeterminedFC]

lol bad take

[@Belligoal.5]

blind hater@@DeterminedFC

[@pucs82]

Is it frightening? Too early to say. Teams just haven’t figured them out yet. Will be impressed if they keep this up through GW 20

[@tomyates2551]

But it’s not like they were good at whatever Conte was trying to get them to do. So, it’s not like they were set in any ways.

[@musicoruu]

Incoming ‘I don’t support Spurs but I really like Ange’ comments

[@Antonio-hb8rd]

"hE ElLs iT LikE IT iS"

[@Belligoal.5]

he is awesome

[@ballsballsballs3617]

U saying that as if u aren’t thinking the same thing lol

[@PEROgamer25-pk7xm]

Yeah I know. I like that some people also think like me and predict the comment section or reply section of the video or comment. It's kinda easy if you are a KZbin veteran and went into alot. Especially predicting Messi vs Ronaldo fights with there bad nicknames 😂

[@colouredIncognito]

​@@PEROgamer25-pk7xm'youtube veteran' 😂😂😂

[@Arejen03]

Spurs went from "its the history of Tottenham" to "Damn Tottenham is cooking this year"

[@judsonbaker8128]

It’s the future of the Tottenham

[@silvesta5027]

It’s amazing that both Mourinho and Conte utterly, UTTERLY failed at Spurs with their negative defensive football. But Ange’s attacking football, (like Poch before him) is getting a tune out of Spurs

[@XPANDORO]

Son is just a different killer

[@RaphaelFellowes]

As an Arsenal fan, very impressed by Tottenham. Bissouma was phenomenal and Kulesevski and Son typically excellent. Hopefully this result doesn’t hurt our season too much.

[@steviebob3119]

@@hfn3778 you mustve not watched the first half at all then if thats the case. best player on the pitch.

[@Jonifico]

With the way Man City are playing, Champions League football is the only realistic goal.

[@hardydragon3]

​​@@JonificoRodri red card will cause problems. .. City literally cannot afford to drop any points...Tot, Brighton, Arsenal and Liverpool all are getting momentum.. And City haven't played any of the Top 6..

[@KM-dd1cr]

@@Jonifico yep besides man city there isn't really anyone I would not back arsenal against. Maybe if bayern find their footing or barcelona sustain their current form. Other than that I think the CL is more realistic

[@finding_aether]

​@@hardydragon3this season looks promising for drama.... We may get a 3 horse race even.. been some time since the last one.

[@aquamnk30]

Both teams’ strikers had a couple of chances. Difference was Jesus was a decent player while Son was a worldclass finisher.

[@chomalen]

Could really do with a world class finsher... Osimhen comes to mind. Nketiah doesn't have more in his game. Folarin deserved a chance. Jesus deserves more for his pressing and work-rate alone. He needs another 6-12 months to show his true ability (like Odegaard neeeded). Does need to manage his emotions better tho...

[@michaelsheppard5383]

Seeing Balogun miss two penalties in a game last week made me think Arteta knew something we didnt

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@chomalenwhat is Arteta going to suddenly unveil that Pep couldn’t? As a city fan this is what Jesus is. Great all round player but not a killer in the way Aguero was and Haaland and Alvarez are now. That’s why the season expectation for Jesus in the prem is 15 goals

[@chomalen]

@@karmaascendant3936 I dont't think he is Mbappe or Haaland quality. He is 15-20 goals a season but offers more in terms of tracking and defending, contributions... in an Arsenal team that (at least last year) distributed goals through the team. We lacked killer instinct then and we are now paying for it. The way we used to close shop or not aim to put 4, 5 past teams last year bothered me.... doesn't allow the team to build confidence, bordering on arrogance, which you need.

[@bobbyalexander8592]

@@chomalen Odegaard's true ability was on display last night. Bloke's terrifying

[@9g821]

Bissouma is unbelievable. Immune to being pressed on and looks like a new age Dembele that they've missed for years

[@tonylipsmire5918]

He had a pretty poor match honestly. Coughed up the ball in and around his box several times handing arsenal huge chances

[@ballsballsballs3617]

@@tonylipsmire5918well every other match he’s been a top 3 players on the pitch. Pogba type of composure on the ball

[@tonylipsmire5918]

@@ballsballsballs3617I agree, this video is kinda about one match though

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Not sure any Pogba comparison is a flattering one - hes a far more valuable player because he makes the team better, rather than having to build a team around him. @@ballsballsballs3617

[@safebans1369]

​@@tonylipsmire5918 I didn't watch the game but surely more of the credit there goes to Arsenal's pressing which we all know is world class

[@Chase66279]

Imagine if Bentancur comes back to full power as well and Ange gets a couple transfer windows. Spurs have a lot of potential.

[@kunbifusion]

After 6 games? Weren’t spurs on top of the league after 10 games with a new coach a few years ago

[@hungchoonghow5857]

Heung-min SON. RicharliSON. MaddiSON. Brennan JohnSON. Spurs has too many good sons.

[@idirismaalim4278]

EmeSON

[@Minyvan66]

Manor SONolSON

[@JibbaJabber]

Destiny UdogieSON

[@johnthompson457]

Pierre Emile hojson

[@JibbaJabber]

AngeSON

[@awesimo4684]

One thing I don't see being mentioned is Raya's long balls were losing possession an awful lot. Didn't seem to be working. Then again, given how good Arsenal's high press was, the tactic could be just to give Spurs the ball in their own 3rd, then press.

[@alexsmith6322]

Who do we even have to receive a long ball when havertz isn’t on the pitch? There is no target, it’s pretty obvious why it didn’t work

[@bigrandomun9267]

Perhaps it would’ve worked if Raya could play balls behind the back-line but he didn’t seem able to.

[@thatguy-notsuraj-6843]

​@bigrandomun9267 that Spurs back line was quick. They weren't getting beat to *any* balls in behind, especially on their left.

[@Zitrolena]

Yeah his long passes were pretty disappointing to be honest

[@pascoe93]

To be fair he kicked at 65% which is still higher than ramsdale last season average of 63%. I read that over the 3 games raya has kicked long at 82%

[@MylesB93-]

We learned that Bissouma is a cheat code

[@tonysoprano6245]

I am not a Spurs fan , but i really love the Tottenham team this season they are very fun to watch , and the Son Maddison is the best Duo this season

[@otterinari2390]

I'm a Spurs fan, but I really love the Tottenham team this season

[@raivisr1618]

Maddi-Son!

[@zosiazaremba7479]

I'm not even a Premier League fan, but there's something about this new Tottenham that makes them so fun to watch. And their players are extremely likable, especially Sonny and Maddison ❤

[@user-np7hr1lp3u]

SonisMadd

[@TooDarnSoulful]

@@zosiazaremba7479 Guys a subtle reminder this is all down to ANGE, he plays his way and it is good to watch, we saw similar at Celtic.

[@afc4life_uk]

Always love these videos, just a couple of points: 1. Not sure if the awkward moments between JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie are rehersed or real, but it's funny as hell. One day I'm expecting John to get up and punch JJ in the face 😂 2. Would love one of these videos on classic teams of the past, for example the Arsenal Invincibles when they played Manchester United? Would be fascinating to see what tactical approaches Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson implemented back then.

[@delronmackay1473]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 which awkward time stamp

[@morolafeladurotoye9698]

@@delronmackay1473it’s at 00:00

[@mikesingh6099]

Man this is what rivalry matches are suppose to be! So much drama and excitement, hopefully more to come. Happy to have football back!

[@JibbaJabber]

Son was on fire! And he set the rest of the team alight🔥🔥🔥🔥 Arsenal crisped up like a gammon😅

[@andyhills9972]

Who else pauses the video to see what title they give themselves today

[@RobertoVillegas-vincent404]

Every single time.

[@midamida915]

HAHA yeppp

[@nands111]

Son, Jesus and Nketiah all robbed the ball and went through on goal. The difference was Son actually finishing his chance. Simply an alternative outcome from those three chances alone would change the whole discourse and the narrative of our analysis of Ange ball and Arteta ball. It's a game of fine margins.

[@alexsmith6322]

Exactly lol. People are like SPURS ARE BETTER! ARSENAL ARE WORSE! Literally this game hinged on Declan rice getting hurt and Jorginho messing up lmao. That’s it. The last 30 mins both teams were completely spent

[@Steveck072]

Son is known for being super clinical - Jesus has always been wasteful - One of the reasons Pep was ok to sell him to Arsenal. No idea about Eddie but he’s not good enuf to be the starting No 9 for a title challenging side. Arsenal need a clinical 20+ goal a season striker.

[@nikhilhanji9311]

@@Steveck072nope liverpool did it with firmino, you just need two either side to bang them in, Martinelli is our Son/Mané type and he was out and his back up in Trossard was out too

[@eleonarcrimson858]

Did you watch the video on mute?

[@zingrock]

Did you watch this video? The difference wasn't simply about Son finishing his chance. Arsenal were unable to execute their build-up play, whilst Spurs were more successful.

[@QT5656]

Udogie is fast becoming one of the best left backs in the world.

[@bigrandomun9267]

The idea of Spurs potentially getting Kvaratshkelia (if Napoli don’t win anything this season) in this system is absolutely terrifying. Perfect player on both sides of the pitch who is electric and aggressive in getting to the by-line and beating the fullback 1v1, it would be ridiculous to see actually happen.

[@buch0300]

Has he been linked with spurs?

[@NathanDaldry]

@@buch0300 Don't think so. But the more supporters that spot that he'd be a great fit in this Spurs team the more likely it is that someone within the hierarchy at Spurs is also thinking the same.

[@WinWingWin]

Would love that, and there were brief links before he joined Napoli but he’s going to be too expensive now

[@bigrandomun9267]

@@WinWingWin not that much. Rumoured price 77-98 million.

[@bigrandomun9267]

@@buch0300 before this season and before Kane left, Kvaratshkelia was rumoured if Son left the club. But now, he’s apparently a fan of Ange’s play style and he fits the team on both sides at RW and LW. Also, if Napoli don’t win anything, he might entertain the idea of a move to a top 4 Prem team.

[@sadstefig]

17:25 we were so close to greatness in this moment 😭

[@abdulrafay9872]

Yeah it was a good chance but we were unlucky

[@sadstefig]

@@abdulrafay9872 son hattrick, first win at emirates in 13 years... it was a good performance regardless but I can't stop thinking about it 😢

[@JibbaJabber]

You know dem way der bruv!

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

Maddison and Son were amazing

[@vikvaughn]

The amount of disrespect some of these spurs players got in comined elevens and general pre game banter, just to outplay arsenal is quite poetic

[@TooDarnSoulful]

Paul Merson told us all 5-0 to Arsenal 🙃🤣

[@pauljohnware]

@@TooDarnSoulful Paul Merson was better off *on* the sauce. Despite 750mil spending, Arsenal's depth is shocking. Viera, Havertz, Jorginho is a scarily lightweight midfield. They'll struggle for top 4 this season.

[@TheOvieShow]

Oh come on mate. It was a stale game the majority of the time. Spurs offense was better but our defence was better even with Jorgi's mistake. If either Martinelli or Trossard were in, I'd bet on a different outcome. But no need to lose sleep over a game. It's a long season

[@dennisgichohi5392]

Outplayed ?????it was a draw

[@edsonbwalya382]

At 35 minutes spurs had three touches in the opp box and arsenal had 19 . You call that being outplayed ? If Arsenal took their chances , the game could have been over in the first half

[@michaelfraser1073]

Destiny Udogie is brilliant. Kid's only 20, hasn't played in the Premier League before, and is used to playing as a wing-back. He's adapted perfectly.

[@alexsmith6322]

Are you actually serious? Saka shredded him the entire game 😂 I’m not even saying he’s bad because that’s what saka does but that’s such a weird comment specifically in relation to this match

[@pauljohnware]

Best Italian LB since Maldini. Man is going to have an incredible career. I'll enjoy him at Spurs while it lasts.

[@debm09]

​@@alexsmith6322delusional arsenal fan 😂😂

[@michaelfraser1073]

The only thing Saka managed to shred was his own reputation after he tried to do Maddison's celebration and then got rinsed by him.@@alexsmith6322

[@TheOvieShow]

@@debm09 Yea no mate, Udogie was outclassed. He's got a good future but no need to blow things out of proportion.

[@timokaaarp7779]

It's a shame Spurs didn't go full Angeball until after first half hour, and losing Maddison was a blow - I think Spurs would have won had he stayed on the pitch.

[@laislabonita]

Spurs couldn’t play full Angeball because Arsenal suffocated them. That said Spurs did well to respond to Arsenal going ahead each time. Spurs ability to create numbers centrally saved them on the day. That and Arsenal being wasteful prevented Spurs from being hammered at the Emirates. I expect Ange to play longer in the second leg. Arsenal won’t miss like the did if they press high again next time

[@MrRodzilla]

we learned that a studs up full fledged legbreaker attempt on the gk is not a red card

[@AshaD2345]

Studs up 🤣

[@blazer7731]

Just like a handball denying an on target shot is not a red card

[@MrRodzilla]

@@blazer7731 a deliberate handball is, not one for a metre away

[@arvin9425]

Well his studs didn't hit vicario did it

[@darrenjohn8524]

​@@blazer7731Only a disingenuous person will say that. Learn the difference between intentional and unintentional 🤣🤣.

[@gijoe678]

Great analysis. Arsenal's new build up approach was designed with Timber in mind. Zinchencko is not the right fit for that strategy. Different strengths. This will get better as the season progresses.

[@jdinero5226]

Such a shame its gonna be 5 or so dreadful months without him

[@jjsmthr]

Timber is RB. He's supposed to replace White, not Zinchenko.

[@jacobalexander4167]

That's just not true

[@gijoe678]

@@jjsmthr he played as a LB against Forest and in the Community Shield.

[@jjsmthr]

@@gijoe678 because Zinchenko was injured.

[@scottwallbank4794]

Only just discovered this channel. Awesome analysis, really interesting.

[@abdullahibnmiah2986]

Warra guy lol

[@nthoj6510]

Love this!!! Keep them coming!!!!

[@TheLukeguy7]

Love these 2 especially the Scottish guy! He’s got a great accent, is funny and presents really well. Great work both.

[@MegaXjoel]

These videos are by far my favourite at the moment!

[@SP008]

JJ loves Udogie and Van de Ven. Man knows ball ⚽

[@clobbopus_used_beat]

Will always watch a video with Jon and JJ

[@Tronjheimr]

The fact that the same hand ball scenario with the same player can resulting in two different results (pen vs no pen) is enough to show how bad the refereeing in EPL.

[@sammy0boi]

Would love to see a video about the data analytics, how the data is collected and accessed and how the visualizations are made - always impressed by the quality of the data but also how it’s presented so well visually.

[@montgomeryharr30]

I've been waiting for this video

[@2talljoey]

What we learnt is that arsenal fans still haven’t learnt

[@alexsmith6322]

They’ll try to make this analysis tactical when it’s so abundantly obvious what happened in this game. Arsenal came out on 3 scoops of pre workout and blew their entire load in the first 25 minutes of the match. This led to multiple players getting injured and Arteta outsmarting himself. Arsenal aren’t worse: Declan rice got hurt, and Jorginho made a mistake that cost us the win. That’s literally all that happened. In the last 30 mins (40 with stoppage) both teams were completely spent. No energy left at all. Ben white is the only player for arsenal that can play at that ridiculous pace for the entire game. We went too hard in the first 25 and it cost us and artetas subs were terrible

[@scottwallbank4794]

Accurate analysis. Arsenal were heavy on the press, with the majority of the early game in Spurs' third. Arsenal couldn't sustain those levels and Spurs came into the game in the last 10 minutes of the first half and had the stronger second half.

[@roan9914]

their midfield really collapsed without Rice, Jorginho was awful, really why they should've kept Xhaka

[@mashfnch30]

The fact that the team can't execute the managers plan kind of does raise questions about their quality though. The first prerequisite for professional footballers at the top level is fitness. I thought the result was fair on the balance of play, it's just that Arsenal had a couple of fortunate moments that resulted in goals to balance out unfortunate moments such as the Jesus miss. The only real complaint I have about the game was the fact that Nketiah didnt get sent off because that was one of the most reckless challenges I've seen in the PL for a long time.

[@alexprach]

I think they probably went with this as they were low on energy after champions league game, but the probelm with Arteta is since he became manager is that he doesn't rotate, I just hope he just starts playing our bench in the smaller competitions else we will run out of pace at the end like last season.

[@alexsmith6322]

@@mashfnch30I didn’t see it as a game plan thing tho, as in, I don’t think Arteta said “literally go all out and spend every ounce of energy you have.” I think it was just the environment and wanting to get one over spurs the players got a bit carried away and no player wanted to be the lazy one not pressing. It is literally impossible to maintain what arsenal did for the first 25 min of that game over a full 90 for any football team ever. It’s not a matter of fitness it’s a matter of mentality. It was a mistake of a young team. Not that it doesn’t still raise questions, as you said, it does (tho I don’t agree about what those questions are). But the question is NOT “are arsenal worse” like so many seem to be wanting desperately to believe. Jorginho is worse, yea for sure. As a team arsenal clearly are not though

[@atizzl3r257]

It’s crazy how big of a hole xhaka has left in our midfield 😔 it just shows that you should never taken anything for granted!

[@God_is_an_Atheist666]

You took him for Granit...Granit Xhaka

[@ozlinator]

@@God_is_an_Atheist666😂

[@captainsmoke1612]

105m for a CDM that can't receive ffs! But according to english media he's the second coming of Zidane.

[@God_is_an_Atheist666]

Van de Van was undoubtedly my man of the match, the guy had a perfect game.

[@anelevilakazi8467]

Anges only flaw was subbing out SON. He was too dialled in. Only needed 2 more chances 😊

[@WinWingWin]

Apparently both he and Maddison were a bit unwell before kick off

[@robbbbb78]

That bit of dirt inside the white circle at 3:29 had me fruitlessly wiping my screen xD

[@andronovm]

Great analysis lads, especially the point that Arsenal was struggling to progress through the central area. I noticed that Odegaard was receiving the ball far fewer times , and he is the most vital player who is critical in build-up from 2nd 1/3rd to final 1/3.... So Arteta has to work it out. And Jorginho was probably his attempt to change things... I am disappointed Kai Havertz is still struggling to integrate into the team playstyle and doesnt take initiative... Very worrying signals for Arsenal and fans

[@abdiazizabdi6687]

Spurs just moved the ball in their own half 55% in Spurs zone while arsenal 55 % of the ball was attacking spurs half . Spurs spent the ball in arsenal zone 18 % and 27 % was midfield . Ange was smart the best defense was to keep the ball away arsenal and press very hard tactical to maintain 100 minutes it worked

[@andronovm]

@@abdiazizabdi6687 yea true , but as always in football, if Arsenal score 1-2 chances in the first 30 mins of the game when they pressed high and effectively. If Jesus scored 1 of his chances > would be 2-0 and the game would run differently…

[@EddieBaumgartner]

Any video ya do with Tottenham ill watch and drop a like. Love seeing my team get the praise!

[@oronsayepaul6709]

dont compare Rodri to Rice theres big distiction between them

[@DeterminedFC]

yeh rice can drive waY BETTER THEN RODRI AND RODRI CAN BUILD UP BETTER THEN RICE

[@Antonio-hb8rd]

Rodri is way better

[@silverhost9782]

For sure, Rodri is much better at being sent off for choking out other players

[@broman1429]

​@@silverhost9782you do realize that was his first red card in his career 😂😂

[@silverhost9782]

@@broman1429 and what a red it was. Man totally lost it, Rice could never be that needlessly angry loool

[@nateshshashank]

If Arteta would have just sat back like other mid-table teams do against Arsenal, that would have definitely meant Plan-B for Ange & Co. Best way to beat Spurs is either be very good at pressing the center backs and/or pivots (and taking your chances) or just sit back and counter.

[@rvoswald]

JJ cracks me up!

[@patrickbateman1660]

Arteta has done amazing work but someone needs to come in amd take them to the next level

[@jackson857]

Ange ball is great. Ange is the man.

[@kaijalen]

so happy to see micky and destiny getting their flowers after another couple of great games. especially given how difficultly udogie started

[@waggafletcher]

What you are learning is that quality football managers exist beyond the Euro-Sth American bubble.

[@user-db9ek1ie8f]

Good content

[@JenksCoach]

Lads can I ask what software your using? Thanks!

[@orinorio1]

As people who are surprised at Spurs this season actually look at the Spurs team this season ? Romero - world cup winning CB. VDV- A cb that is regarded as one of the best young CB in football. Madders - PL experience has won the PL and FA cup. Bissuma - A player who many feel is one of the best Mid in the PL. Son - World class striker. Mixed among them is players who are very good players who can only get better. Moreover. Ange won the treble last season. He know has better players. Not saying Spurs will win the treble as they cant. Saying how their playing shouldn't be a surprised.

[@jaysosaaa7975]

maddison hasnt won the premier league

[@adityapurigoswami2626]

Which software is being used for analysis here....

[@zelandiart]

Arteta really have a big homework to sort out the midfield and the goal threat issue (which is closely interlinked with the way Arsenal playing). Kudos to spuds, Bissouma and Maddison are playing well for them. I still scratching my head of why Arteta choose Havertz instead of Maddison.

[@abdiazizabdi6687]

Harverz is not bad he made big difference in second half by winning duels and off the ball movement which gave arsenal more ball possession

[@perks9396]

JJ IS FINALLY BACKKKKKKKK

[@sihleduma8481]

Sarrs been brilliant but when bentancur is back he must start in my opinion. The former struggled alittle in this derby lacking some experience in such a big away day.

[@JibbaJabber]

He looked a bit leggy getting back as well. Maybe it's fitness or maybe he's just slow - either way could leave defence exposed.

[@TheFlyingEpergne]

i rly like jj and jon together

[@RayinSD]

Scary to think that we haven’t even seen the Spurs ultimate Ange-ball form yet.

[@nikobrown1990]

For me this game really highlighted how much Arsenal miss Martinelli and Trossard. if both of our best left wingers are not available for selection then the only outlet we have is to Saka out on the right wing and that it too easy for an opponent to deal with. Having said that, Udogie had a good game, as did Bissouma and Maddison. Fair play to Spurs, they played very well.

[@wybie1216]

i thought there was definitely a slowing in arsenal's progression up the field after playing out of the back. very likely ending up in more turnovers.

[@michaelgraham8191]

Funniest part, to me, this looked like spurs worst performance this season aside from the game against brentford and maybe some moments in the Sheffield game.

[@Cheetah_Chrome]

Don’t sleep on Udogie. He’s gonna be a star

[@guy4375]

Hang on!! Can you please clear up for me the Opta "attacking threat" graphic please, specifically for the first half. You say that this data is based on the attacking team having possession of the ball.......BUT this can't be because Tottenham had 61% possession!!! Thanks.

[@kai12490]

IIRC, attacking threat is the possession a team has in the opponents final 3rd.

[@thebonkarsgamer449]

Spurs fan here, arsenal are a very big threat and a great team however this is Anges progress after 6 games, Arteta has been there for 3 hers or so, exciting times. Liverpool are there for the taking today if we play out cards right

[@Steglasaurus]

It's funny how conclusive takes are of both Spurs and Arsenal after just 6 games. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Spurs have rercuited very well in the summer with smart buys, they also are playing with a new system, manager and composition of players. We've seen it in the past, teams analyse and adapt and this will eventually happen with Spurs, have we seen many teams set a low block against Spurs? No, not really. That's the next step for what is looking like a brilliantly set up team for now and the future. Arsenal aren't as bad as the general consensus is. We saw City 'struggle' to figure their new system out at the start and its the same thing happening with Arsenal this season, if it can happen with the best team in the world, it shouldn't be a surprise that they're still a work in progress. What is evident is that despite their struggles, Arsenal have 14 points and are 'only' 6 points behind City and 4 behind title challenging Liverpool. Underlying data suggests that right now top 4 appears to be the teams mentioned above: Liverpool, City, Spurs and Arsenal in no particular order - let's see how things change by Christmas where teams drop off, or push on. The season is still early, guys!

[@roan9914]

Ange has been known for breaking low blocks throughout his managerial career it's his forte

[@ammarharith3067]

Bro, have you forgotten the Sheffield United shambolic bust last week? 😂

[@hilmer316]

Both Sheffield United and Brentford played a low block...

[@Steglasaurus]

@hilmer316 Thanks for calling out two instances where teams did! I never said no teams at all have, but there's a difference between what City face, for example, almost every game and other teams in the leagues cope with. All I am saying is, Spurs are doing well, very well but at some point they'll be hiccups as there are with all teams in their rebuild. It would be wrong to assume they've 'made it', with again only 6 games being in to his tenure. Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to truly move forward and it'll be interesting to see how they handle it.

[@dennisgichohi5392]

@@roan9914 low blocks in Australian league and Scottish league is different to the prem

[@SuperJay23]

Pressing rhymes with blessing 😏

[@iam_nick]

Love this Spurs team, however at some point they would need a classic no.9 for low block teams. Son can’t hold up and lack of body pressure in the box

[@tomyates2551]

@18 mins - isn’t that style of play exactly what Sarri’s Chelsea do? Particularly against City

[@anelevilakazi8467]

We arent talking about ben. Ange made a good call, trust he's playing >40min every game till he starts from now

[@mohammedcassim1816]

What we can conclude is that arsenal will most likely not be challenging for a title at all Nowhere near city and Liverpool level this season so far.

[@jamesmassin7982]

Agreed, it’s typical that a team will drop off after a stronger then expected prior season. Like Liverpool did last season. But Tge Arsenal are still moving in the right direction, just not as much as last season. Expectations are top 4 and knock out stages of the CL.

[@theamulas]

@@jamesmassin7982 Feels like we're playing with 9 men in the outfield as well, Nketiah has felt invisible in the past two games. I don't think we'll get close to a PL title without an elite center-forward. We're relying on Odegard from outside the box, or Trossard to score us goals from the bench.

[@Steveck072]

No one getting close to City - It’s ridiculous- No KDB = no problem apparently- ridiculous

[@VilladsBk]

Too early to say, but I can’t deny that the last 6 seasons the top 2 had already been decided by gameweek 6

[@jamesmassin7982]

@@Steveck072 that’s what happens when you have the resources of an oil rich nation sponsoring your team as opposed to local communities. Modern football is plastic

[@brucelee7782]

what happened to those after matches podcasts mann, I miss those

[@ericnoack1324]

yes it's a problem, sure you can get flogged but it's risk versus reward and I would back Ange leaving the back exposed if it means scoring goals and rewarding the fans .

[@capadam1440]

Vicario is not Lloris 👍

[@mujeebahmed7940]

Jorginho and havertz coming on worked against us.

[@puskas_baller]

same for spurs with madders, son and johnson having to come off

[@roan9914]

@@puskas_baller no idea why son came off but the other two were injured same with Rice having to come off

[@puskas_baller]

@@roan9914 son wasn't 100% going into it

[@petergmred2005]

I have zero doubt if there was a even playing surface(salary cap) ange would win the league more often then not. Remember ange has been coaching this style for 27yrs. Even then i think title yr 3.

[@wesselvisser5042]

Spurs fans deserve a fun season for once tbh

[@burrrrr8525]

Son the xG king have returned

[@toby3695]

Tifo phasing the podcast back is lovely. But just bring the podcast back already

[@chinmaymukherjee8489]

Happy to see spurs fan happy 😊

[@rk3832]

tifo please cover liverpool games..played 6 won 5!!

[@xuem19]

I want to believe in Ange-ball!

[@BKKLB]

I actually think that the Spurs were the better squad and that Arsenal should feel lucky to have taken home the 3 points. An own goal and a handball was Arsenal's scoreline. Jesus had the only real chance created by Arsenal. Spurs created their own chances and if Romeno had not had those two critical errors or moments of bad luck..... I tend to think Spurs would have left with the 3 points.

[@Puckett.]

I won't pretend to understand how XG are calculated but seeing both sides have less expected goals then real goals is kind of surprising. Considering how many great chances there were that were saved. That Johnson shot that was palmed away by Raya I'd assume had to be a very high expected goal. and Spurs 2nd goal also was a pretty easy setup after the huge blunder by Havertz. so seeing Spurs only have 1.4 XG seems low. Arsenal's XG of 1.8 seems about right. the Penalty is always a full 1 point XG, the OG is obviously not an XG but then you throw in some of the big saves Vicario made 1.8 seems pretty fair for Arsenal.

[@alexsmith6322]

It was Jorginho not havertz who fucked up

[@Clueless1000]

"Blunder by havertz" proof you people dont even watch the games.

[@astrothelad]

Arsenal have speedrun to the point they were last season where injuries piled up and dragged them to relative mediocrity. tbf no one can compete with city, so it's really more just a question of placement if they can hang on to top 4.

[@justin8910]

That Arsenal need a striker to win the league. Someone like Callum Wilson would be perfect.

[@piper3297]

bring back the pod

[@birajbhandari244]

Arteta needed 3 window to get this stage. Spurs did it in one

[@abdiazizabdi6687]

Spurs gave Eddie and Jesus the ball only to face goalkeeper both missed versus quality finish from son that is big difference people talking about

[@user-pl7zr5fz2x]

Well honestly I just feel like when Kane stays, it has more secure feeling..

[@dmjmaxwell8535]

Arsenal not buying a CMF who's both offensively and defensively effective as xhaka is affecting the midfield.Odeggard shouldn't be dropping that deep to build up

[@anovaguy]

What I learned is neither of these teams are going to take points away from City so we are going to need some shock results for a title race

[@anelevilakazi8467]

They're both getting better. Especially spurs.

[@dipteshpawa6549]

So Arsenal and United are having an almost identical playing style? Although, Arsenal having a better balance in the midfield which is it’s advantage.

[@tigersforlife6767]

These guys are kind of the opposite of what I think Tifo wants to convey their brand as. They're weird and don't seem to be too knowledgable.

[@TheSealDribble]

There's a Xhaka-sized hole in Arsenals midfield

[@sbrown9486]

Great vid but the synergy was a bit off with the narrator constantly trying dead jokes! Bald guy knows his stuff 👍

[@sirman18]

Liverpool video please

[@victoreric4557]

You are bullying that guy 😂 😂

[@SalmanAhmad-ww8lu]

Spurs will be found out before the end of the season, this is something that happens every time they get in a new manager. They were amazing against Arsenal no doubt about that, but I have seen spurs play better football under other managers eventually it did not end well for them as the season approached it's end.