What happens if you romance Shadowheart then wipe her memory?

[@ilcapitano648]

The fact that you have to option to sell her out knowing full well she’ll be mind-wiped, and then still have the option to guilt trip her for forgetting you, is top tier gaslighting.

[@TheGingiGamer]

And straight up evil

[@redgraves4030]

Best option

[@Xenolithial]

I honestly thought they'd kill her, not mind wipe her

[@ilcapitano648]

@@Xenolithial i guess it depends how thoroughly they brainwash her. She knows all of Shar’s teachings, is trained in Shar’s arts and, by this point in the game, is probably one of the strongest warriors in Faerun. If they do it right they’ve got a hell of a follower on their hands.

[@Xenolithial]

@@ilcapitano648 oh no arguments here, mindwiping her was probably the smart move asset wise I just assumed they'd drag her off and kill her lol. I've never turned her over to them yet so I would have been surprised that she was kept alive, but it makes more sense that she was Puts her up there with Astarion and Lae'zel for most tragic/horrifying potential endings

[@MordredArkwright]

Her not recognizing the Night Orchid hit hard

[@Zaxares]

Indeed. The fact that she doesn't remember them this time around makes me suspect that, unlike the previous time where part of her resisted the Mirror trying to consume her memories (which is why she still remembers fragments of her past like the night she was kidnapped, Nocturne and the Night Orchids), this time she willingly surrendered all her memories, possibly because your betrayal was just too much for her to bear. :(

[@Snekonic]

@@Zaxares OH MY GOD THAT IS SO SAD. STOP

[@LonarYolhala]

She's could be honest here - she doesn't have a favorite flower. She told you that it was back then, because she wanted you to feel appreciated for giving her one. She told you a comforting lie then, and now she has no memory of saying it, so she has no reason to pretend otherwise.

[@Snekonic]

@@LonarYolhala ''She told you that it was back then, because she wanted you to feel appreciated for giving her one'' this is false. She says this far before you even get near any night orchids, let alone giving her one.

[@DragonsDream]

​@@Zaxares damn, I'm so sorry 😢

[@lordcaedus8713]

This is a certified “delete campaign and start again” moment.

[@golemofflesh3953]

Reminds me of something Ethel said. Without our pasts, we could be anyone.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Losing all your memories is half way to dying, all you have left is your personality and no knowlage of why you are the way you are.

[@theworstcatholic7247]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Even less. A great deal of one's personality is shaped by experience. All that'd be left is your instinctive traits that you got from genes.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@theworstcatholic7247 About 20% is expierience but thats not going alway. You dont remember what your childhood was like yet it still shapes what youre like. So too if you get amnesia your personality changes a bit but not by much, youre still you you just dont know why you are the way you are.

[@theworstcatholic7247]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I think you underestimate how much experience changes a person. The most calm and reasonable person you know could naturally have a terrible temper, but through experience learned to control it. A joyful person could naturally have a stoic disposition but learned to let loose due to tragic circumstances. You may not remember your early years, but your subconscious does, and this full amnesia that SH has doesn't even seem to have that remain.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@theworstcatholic7247 Youre expieriences change how the neurons in your brain are set up. Amnesia takes out the payways which enable you to recall past events. It does not change the patways which say how you will respond to a given stimulus when memory plays no part in your response.

[@SpeedNinge]

the night orchi one broke me. You can put a night orchid on a grave and shadowheart is thankful, now she just doesnt know what youre talking about, she loves night orchids

[@Victoria-_]

It broke me heart!

[@SpeedNinge]

@@Victoria-_ yes

[@goldendew5759]

Wait what??? Where can you do that??

[@SpeedNinge]

@@goldendew5759 I dont know where per se but i know that a grave exists in act 3 which makes shadowheart feel sad and this person was some kind of trainer for her and if you put a night orchid on it, she says something

[@xTwilightWolvesx]

I think she actually lost *all* of her memories, even her ones with Nocturne, since her memories with Nocturne are the reason why Night Orchids are her favourite. I think she lost the will to fight back against the mind-wipe, this time around.

[@Palumtra]

You know a choice is messed up when even Minthara, a lolth-sworn drow of House Baenre from Menzoberranzan says that you shouldn't really be doing it. Romancing Shadowheart, setting her on the good path and then ratting her out to the cult is one of the hardest hitting backstab in gaming history, and this "post" scene is there to give a final twist to the already deep cutting knife.

[@mayaraqueiroz1849]

Sh!t, mate. That hurts 💔💔

[@fistan5447]

There's another. After betraying Nightsong to Lorroakan, you can persuade Isobel to come to her rescue, just to kill her. Nightsong has to watch her lover die, betrayed by the hand of someone she thought was her friend. And she fucking loses it. This bloody game has ALOT of very evil choises. I generally like evil characters, Sith in SW for example, but man this game takes it to whole another level. Had to watch youtube videos of those choises because i never could click those dialogue options while i was playing, even if i was curious about this game's reactivitiy.

[@Palumtra]

@@fistan5447 "Murderhobo is the most evil there is" Uh-uh......look at this mate, these are fates worse than death.....

[@Nuisance_Bear]

Well why the hell not? Minthara is literally evil, like that’s her alignment. She should be totally fine with this

[@fistan5447]

@@Nuisance_Bear pointless cruelty just to appease a god/her chosen by literally sacrificing your own companion? If you dont see the problem here, i dont think you payed any attention to anything Minthara said.

[@Daniel-bd8ot]

You know you messed up when Shadowheart's №1 hater Lae'Zel disapproves

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

She doesn't hate really Shadowheart, it's the other way around (at least early on, they grow on eachother), Lae'zel just gives back what she gets.

[@KollbjornYT]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 YES! Finally someone else is pointing that out

[@Synfang]

@@senittoaoflightning4404 Yeah, see, this is a reason I don't like Shadowheart as much as most players seem to. Call me biased if you want, because I'm definitely guilty of being a Lae'zel fan, but aside from Astarion's introduction and the meeting of Wyll & Karlach, Shadowheart is easily the most antagonistic in regard to infighting and such for a very large chunk of the game, and I could never get past this attitude enough to see why she's (I think) the most romanced party member.

[@theworstcatholic7247]

@@Synfang Cause she's the most conventionally attractive. That's why she's the most romanced. Gamers are pretty simple in that way, no shade meant, as I am one of them, but it is what it is.

[@Megawaps]

Why is it highlighted?

[@Leomandeli]

“Whoever you think I am… I’m not her” Wow that hurt, and it’s true, the Shadowheart you knew and loved is gone and only her shell remains and it’s your fault

[@Grim_Bud]

Now you can make her fall for you all over again.

[@goqgleit]

Oh this hurt. This hurt a lot. 😭

[@flipChoco2283]

the "sorry for watching" 😭😭😭

[@alessandrogarofalo9951]

I didn't even know this existed. I mean, how could someone even have the guts to betray her? YOU MONSTER!😢

[@ovencake523]

I did it just to see what would happen before reloading

[@kairaaitken938]

If you can reload the save then technically it was never done

[@MedioCore]

The Vine Thud at 1:51 was amazing.

[@Jesusisking007]

bro 💀💀💀

[@annas_core]

"The memories you shared with her will die with you" That line had no right to hit this hard

[@blackmoon2128]

thanks for recording this, because I could never do this.

[@pattymelt5825]

The only thing that would've made this worse is if they dyed her hair back to black

[@whinywonu]

a little bit of time and her hair will grow back black. so it is inevitable in a way

[@kintaro1851]

I think it's even worse without that. Because that way, you see how much she had changed. That she had sworn of Shar. And then you betrayed her.

[@Pikaton659]

@@kintaro1851 Yeah, it’s much worse this way

[@brittahasnofilter]

@@whinywonui didn’t know she’d dyed it, i thought it was like… turned white by moon power or something

[@whinywonu]

@@brittahasnofilteriirc, she says that she remembers ways to use some herbs to do so and went for it overnight. so yes, her hair is dyed 🫶🏻

[@danielsword4629]

This. This is why people fear Shar in universe

[@DrAhzek]

The worst crime of all - purging someone's mind. You could have just kill her, not much difference given this is no longer Shadowheart. The only more cruel fate is probably lobotomy to make a slave/servitor of sorts.

[@frostkitsunelive7661]

So Minthara's fate if you don't save her.

[@Artrysa]

I appreciate videos like this a lot. Gives me the opportunity to see all the scenes Larion worked on that I'd never get to see otherwise :)

[@a.trance6997]

The vine boom caught me off guard lmao.

[@Rishi26007]

Congratulations on having the guts to physically make those choices. I know I wouldn't be able to.

[@DragonsDream]

Thanks, but I honestly hate myself while making this video, I'm even considering not to post it because it's just too damn cruel for her :(

[@AegixDrakan]

Daaayum. :o I despite Shar even more than I already did, which was a LOT!

[@KollbjornYT]

TIME TO PAINT THE WALLS WITH SHARRAN BLOOD!

[@HiddenLink_clips]

Sorry for watching hit me hard

[@claudiaiuliana493]

1:49 “I think you must have me mistaken for someone with no taste” 💀

[@mr_jyggalag]

As Shadowmancer, this is one thing that breaks my heart. It's one of the wickedest things that you can do in the game. To help someone to be better, to support them as their partner, only to then, on the final chapter of the story, stab them in the back. And her words, how she isn't able to recognize you... usually, after Viconia whipped her memory, there was something. There's still a small piece of Shadowheart remaining, I think, but it's burried deep down, and I suspect it would not be able to emerge again. The next over-the-top wicked thing is to help Shadowheart save her parents and then to kill them

[@madreel8938]

"Sorry for watching" Yup! me too, mate

[@aeroblaze4]

I was feeling pretty sad about this video but that sound effect at 1:50 killed me lol

[@mayaraqueiroz1849]

Okay, after your last video about she dumping us to Shar, I thought that was nothing that could've hurt more. But, congrats, you did it! She not reconizing her favorite flower? A twistIng knife video 😢 Now I know exactly what NOT to do in my playthrough 👍🏻

[@animeshaggy4333]

Imagine how bad she would feel of she does get her memories back but by then it maybe to late. We would be gone 😢

[@The_Half-Elf_Bard]

Why would she feel bad when he betrayed her? I'd imagine the only thing she'd feel is disgust. I mean, she's better off with Shar than someone who would do this to her, and that's saying a lot.

[@fudgemuffins27]

thank you so much for sharing all these clips of things i could never in a million years bring myself to do to my girl even just out of curiosity

[@KollbjornYT]

This was so fucking painful to watch! I had to pause after every line of dialogue to endure watching this. Allowing Shadowheart to be turned into a husk and seeing your companions clearly being broken up about it is right up there with giving Scratch to Angry Mar'hyah. No doubt that was one of the fastest reloads and deletes ever for you, Dragon

[@Nuisance_Bear]

This just in. When someone’s memory is erased, they don’t remember anything. Wtf did Tav expect???

[@sega3607]

Thanks for showing why we shouldn’t give up shadowheart

[@stargirl7646]

Wouldn’t she know that losing her memories could be a possibility, being a former devotee of Lady Shar and all?? Not sure why she’s acting like you couldn’t be telling the truth. Unless they wiped that knowledge too

[@RockoEstalon]

Considering she's a former selunite they might be wiping more than normal.

[@stargirl7646]

@@RockoEstalon true

[@PerfectKirby]

I think they scrubbed her mind HARD this time

[@mgatwood42]

I seem to recall Shadowheart being surprised to learn it's a mirror that removes her memories, even though her note from before her last memory wipe says they're going to make her "look in the mirror" again. She also initially believes she's only had her memories wiped for her mission and that they'll be restored once she completes it, which is false. Nocturne confirms she's had her memory wiped many times already and had to rebuild her memories each time, and also that this isn't normal practice even for the Sharrans. In this scene it's probable Viconia removed her knowledge that memory-wiping is even a thing in the cult so she would be easier to mould back into a Sharran. Our urging Shadowheart to recall her erased memories helped break her out of the cult - Viconia wouldn't want her to know there even _are_ memories she's lost in case it happens again.

[@CedricBassman]

Shadowheart is basically a chosen of Selune. That's why her mind needs frequent Winter Soldier scrambling, because she isn't a Shar follower, she is inherently a Selunite. That's why she may talk the evil talk in the first act, but actually you get approval by doing good things, which doesn't add up for a Shar follower. Her connection to Selune is so strong that she basically defaults back to a Selunite morality after a time, which is why her Mind requires constant wiping. Looks like this time they really threw her memories into the blender.

[@garrytalaroc]

I would never do this to her

[@maning04]

Yep.. Never EVER!

[@barrymacdonald3439]

why not if your not romancing her its the best way to get rid of the emo child like at that part of the game a cleric is not needed at all

[@Biggiecheese20]

​@@barrymacdonald3439I hope u get critical failures and constant disapprovals in all ur runs

[@is3511]

Cleric is one of they most op class​@@barrymacdonald3439

[@xXSilentAgent47Xx]

This is awesome when Larian added Neuralyzer quest on Shadowheart. Also it's bit weird seeing Triss outfit from TW2 mod on Karlach.

[@jamalclark4846]

So the tadpole isn't able to show her the journey? Seems weird

[@peterw2880]

This is genuinely heartbreaking

[@Aondeug]

I accidentally clicked that option once when reloading a save to try the Viconia fight for like the twentieth time and was so mortified that I immediately reloaded. Seeing what happens after you pick it is just soulcrushing.

[@GolompReformed]

the "sorry for watching" hits

[@George_Washington_1776]

I would rather die than get this ending. Poor Shart

[@avidian888]

Yeah this is intensely horrifying... I am glad to have seen this here so I will never be tempted to play it out in my playthroughs...

[@MerlinTheCommenter]

I’d be curious to know what timeline was canon for Viconia. Based on her behavior now I would it’s safe to say she never romanced Gorion’s Ward. I cannot imagine the Viconia I romanced doing this to anyone’s love life, let alone her adopted daughter’s. 😂

[@aviendha1154]

Oooh good point, I know Aerie and her really don’t like each other, but unlike Anomen they won’t try and kill her, so I guess she traveled with them for a while, and eventually she was kicked and def was not romanced to chaotic neutral by the player character!

[@LordBilliam]

This is why she shouldn't have been in the game, at least not like this. Pretty disrespectful to the players to rewrite their choices in previous games. This could easily have been a bespoke character. A shame as they did a great job with the other returning characters. I have to headcanon that Shar found Viconia and rewrote her memories, deleting her romance and alignment change.

[@aviendha1154]

@@LordBilliam I don’t think it’s an issue at all, it doesn’t erase any of you things you do in the previous games, and it’s cool to have the cameo, it’s just like Minsc and Jahera, or saverok for that matter.

[@Starfloofle]

@@LordBilliam Honestly agonizingly plausible, which is devastating.

[@Weiss1456]

A choice like this must probably reduce the approval rank of the companions by 2 or 3 atleast.

[@hahaureadmyname]

-25 for lae'zel and minthara, -15 for everyone else

[@kintaro1851]

​@@hahaureadmynameThat's even more impressive, given that Lae'zel and Minthara are probably the most evil companions you can recruit. At least as their default.

[@Codefan321]

*karlach disapproves *astarion disapproves *gale disapproves *wyll disapproves *lae'zel disapproves *minthara disapproves *halsin disapproves *jaheira disapproves *minsc disapproves *scratch disapproves *owlbear disapproves *withers disapproves *netherbrain disapproves *emperor disapproves "oopsie daisy" *reloads*

[@ShallBePurified]

This game is insane because no way I would've thought this story path was possible.

[@Kibblz961]

"The memories you shared with her will die with you." DAMN.

[@ShadowShart]

BOOM noise will always get me 😂

[@keithbailey8391]

Whoa !!!!!!!!!!! That's pretty heavy man , even Karlach looks uncomfortable

[@ljt006]

I want a fanfic of her remembering

[@ZoeBateman]

imagine accidentally picking the "give her to viconia" option in an honour mode run

[@erin1569]

Yeah, you better be sorry for using my curiosity to make me watch this depressing scenario

[@DragonsDream]

Sorry 😔🙏

[@vitorschultz9892]

Not the Vine boom when she says "you must confuse me for someone who has no taste"

[@Jay-kc6sg]

Jeez 💀 thank you for doing this I guess?? Bc I could never

[@KazuyaTomoko96]

Now give her the noblestalk!

[@manband20]

Yo imagine an option where you actually do give her the noblestalk and you can get one chance to restore her memories by getting her to remember her favorite flower. Then after panicking over just how much she's forgotten, she realizes just how hard she's been messed with and she absolutely goes BALLISTIC on the rest of the cult.

[@Starfloofle]

@@manband20 And you, understandably.

[@kiemugen9830]

memory wipe/rewrite = death

[@temirbek2004]

Thats cruel, betrayal is the worst thing human can do

[@DragonsDream]

I know, I'm sorry

[@StrongBalloonChris]

Tav playing the ultimate reverse UNO card on Shar though, removing her chosen and leaving her stuck with Viconia (who I just feel bad for, I’m sorry) 😂

[@enigmaticspirit08]

All those people who turned Scratch over to the mean lady? I bet you're all here revelling in your depravity. Monsters.

[@FreakazoidRobots]

There are some things I can't do even in a video game.

[@Andrew_Waples]

The things that can happen in this game.

[@AddonisGigachad]

I saw this scene before but didn’t know how you would get it (at that point i haven’t even played the game) without the context the video was heartbreaking. Now it feels so very very evil and heartless from the players side

[@TheRyndiculous]

Minthara and Karlach's face in the background is what got me

[@manband20]

Real talk, nothing has made me so angry that I could manage to go Super Saiyan more than seeing just how fucked up this scene is. Gotta give props to the devs for being so cruel to actually come up with this storyline.

[@Alzrozax]

Honestly the fact that the devs went the extra mile to include dialogue with her memory erased is something else, 80% of game devs today would never do something like that good job larian

[@bignwah6905]

After BG2 Vicona DOES defy Shar and travels with Drizzt Do'Urden so it's possible sharrans eventually kidnap her and use the mirror on her, this makes sense as Vicona abandoned Lolth after refusing to sacrifice a child there is no way Vicona would kidnap a child and torture them for Shar.

[@mariuszmoraw3571]

"Consequences of your actions"

[@kristinw2600]

I wonder what happens if you keep the noblestalk this long and give it to her to restore her memories? I don't think I'll ever be able to make myself do this, although maybe on my Horrible Durge Run...

[@SaraAdrian]

There isn’t an option to give it to her this late in the game. Besides she wouldn’t trust you enough to eat it anyway

[@whiskey5106]

Giving her to Viconia is the most terrible choice in the game for me. Other evil choices we at least get some kind of reward or power either in game sense or narrative sense, but giving SH you get nothing. Maybe you get to be allied with Viconia but she didn’t promise anything before hand. So, it’s most likely just you just choose to lose a companion without expecting anything in return which is another kind of evil.

[@That_0ne_Dev]

This is lowkey heartbreaking

[@aceanimations3214]

"Sorry for watching" yeah, i havent got that part yet, hopefully ever. That's honestly heartbreaking.

[@justarandomchick767]

I love people posting stuff like this. Because i cant be mean to the fictional people😭 like i'd never find this out in my gameplays

[@DragonsDream]

Appreciate it, but I'm still not very proud of me doing this, but at least I can show how cruel my Tav is to Shadowheart so you guys can avoid doing this in your playthrough :')

[@justarandomchick767]

@DragonsDream apreciate the sacrifice 🙏🏼💕

[@xingzhexin8843]

Sorry for the trouble for going through all this just to show us what it's like [cries].

[@davidduncan5897]

This crushed my heart

[@ThatMillix]

My Half-Orc barbarian was like "Never." When Mother Superior made the request to give up Shadowheart. Nobody's taking his Night Orchid unless they want a swift death. 😂

[@speckledsolace5409]

Oh man thats heartbreaking

[@lThellRockl]

the bombing sound effect was fking on point haha. it choked me

[@michaelrobertson4562]

Man this hurts to watch 😢💔

[@poslednisoud]

On the bright side, you get a second chance to do the Alaskan Snow Dragon with her.

[@VolumousSyrup]

I relished so deeply in completely torching the house of grief with Shadowheart. As a lvl 12 sorceress with maxed out half ilithid powers, with lvl 12 barb/fighter karlach, and lvl 12 rogue thief astarion wielding Gontr Mael, the whole temple quickly became a target rich environment. After using black hole to pull everyone together that first shot of chain lightening evaporated 4 sharrans, and it only got better when they came into swinging range of Karlach

[@travonhackett1401]

The feeling you get for failing a roll requirement of 2

[@XPlayer52c]

Worst timeline ever.

[@shirouthehero696]

“Shadowheart disapproves” Not for long, apparently 💀

[@AtomicRage01]

It's sad and heartbreaking :(

[@henrikskjolden]

She didn't have to stomp all over my heart like that. :'O

[@offthewall2017]

honestly shadowhearts fault. those cultists suck she's level 12 at this point. turn on your spirit guardian beyblade and beat their asses girl.

[@LordSusaga]

"What happens if you romance Shadowheart then..." Sorry, I think I blacked out for a moment there. My brain just failed to process what it saw. Romance Shadowheart makes sense, but then there's some gibberish that comes after?

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

It's so weird that Shadowheart basically just goes along with it. You'd think she'd fight.

[@warbilby]

"Sorry for watching :(" yeah me too :(

[@moonseraph99]

the way i haven't even romanced her and this destroyed my heart

[@SeriousDragonify]

When youre turning Shadowheart into having dementia.

[@jaake6091]

Casual talk with ex after break up

[@JmdMagic]

That last line reminded me of the last episode of Teen Titans with Terra.

[@UltimaSaviorDragon]

This horrifies me.

[@Cooler7328]

Oh she remembers! She just wants to roast you for what you did to her lol.

[@fish_bacon]

This hurts right in the meow meow :(

[@raylast3873]

1:47 savage, but she‘s not wrong 😂

[@ariaspistachios]

"Sorry for watching" 😭😭

[@jaavonnispartairious-wv4yp]

What outfit is that for the guy at 0:20 ??

[@thatlauraborealis]

It looks like a dyed version of Astarions ascended night clothes

[@alejandronavas7051]

Its a mod

[@foreverjune8]

It would be so funny if that vine boom was actually in the game lmao

[@abbieee69]

I think a more darker route larian should have gone is if when you face viconia, 1st choice obviously fight viconia and either kill or spare her or 2nd choice shadowheart choose's to save her parents and have her mind wiped and you find her parents later on in bg3 and they have no idea who you are or what you've done.