What If Cersei Married Oberyn? (Game Of Thrones)

[@TheElochai]

I think we fail to realize that Johanna might have had a plan too. She had Tywin's respect and heart. This woman was more than just a pretty face.

[@klaudiabiela3234]

What if Cat died protecting Bran from assassin.

[@bryanpate9531]

Ooooooo I like it good "what if" idea

[@ajgammi616]

Yeah this a good idea

[@davidhughes7547]

The north would win, jon would sit on the iron throne, the winter fell sept would be torn down. Then there would a annual the singing of ding dong the witch is dead.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@davidhughes7547rob wouldn’t have passed the twins without the marriage agreement Catelyn arranged. Without her, Robb wins a few fights up north and then goes home having achieved nothing but a minor rebellion

[@davidhughes7547]

@emilybarclay8831 he still would, Catelyn was a terrible negotiator and woman in a patriarchal society. He could have the great John, Lord mallister, etc. If he did that a better deal was certainly possible. Even if delayed Riverrun would still be saved, given it was a well provision and garrison strong hold.

[@dmitrivalyria1315]

I think Tywin would still sack Kingslanding but do so in a way to save Elia and her children then just gave Robert the Crown to get Jamie back since with Cersei now married he only has one reason to do that and thats Jamie his desired heir

[@LadyVaporeon]

Thank you for the videos you make, I look forward to them all! - What if shireen married a stark? - What if shireen married Joffrey? - what if Rhaenyra married gwayne? - what if John were born a girl?

[@jaybirdjetwings7516]

What if sansa pushed joffrey off the balcony after he made her see her father's head

[@DarkApostleNoek]

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[@jeremiahbrown3416]

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[@matheusdemello2323]

@@jeremiahbrown3416 Just because it’s already been done, doesn’t mean that EmpyreanSpeaks couldn’t make a video on it.

[@ifeeldead463]

Sansa dies too cuz I think she was planning on taking her own life too. So poor Hound has to take the punishment. If Sansa survives the fall (maybe Joffrey's body cushioned her fall enough for her to survive), Cersei is gonna make her life a worse hell than it is canonically as Tywin would still not allow Sansa to die if it means keeping the North at bay and seizing it through, this time, a marriage between Sansa and Tommen.

[@tatalsaba]

1. What if Tywin had remarried after Joanna died? A possible young wife could be one of Alys Arryn's daughters. 2. What if Walter Frey had been loyal to house Tully? 3. What if Genna Lannister had married Brynden Tully instead of Emmon Frey? 4. What if Tyrion's wife Tysha had been a noblewoman? 5. Last one I promise: What if Benjen Stark hadn't joined the Night's watch?

[@adzzedits4870]

What if Rhaella Targaryen survived childbirth??

[@whitefire179]

@@adzzedits4870 ouuuu I like this oneeeee Or like if she survived and the Targaryen fleet wasn’t destroyed in the storm so she took it and sailed to essos with viserys and Daenerys and she raised them and led there mission to reclaim the iron throne !!!

[@ayaangelicc]

its so crazy how one simple move can cause a butterfly effect, if Cersei was married to Oberyn then none of the awful stuff would have happened - it really goes to show that the game of thrones is so like chess, one wrong move and its check mate

[@whitefire179]

- What if Daenerys had more children? - What if rhaegar and Elias children weren’t killed , and they were just made lord and lady of dragon stone

[@ifeeldead463]

- Assuming Elia still dies here (like she died protecting her kids), only Rhaenys has memories of her parents while Aegon doesnt. However, she's starting to have a hard time remembering Elia and Rhaegar. - Theyre in a similar situation as Theon where theyre more or less hostages, with Stannis keeping an eye on them. Unlike Theon and the Starks, the Targaryen kids and the Baratheons are colder and more distant. Stannis doesnt abuse them and he does provide them the basics but he's not exactly a warm father figure. - Robert doesnt hide his disdain for them. Like hes not exactly abusive as Stannis wouldnt let him harm them (at least physically) but he aint exactly gonna be nice to them. Cersei is cold to them as theyre a reminder of how she couldnt have Rhaegar - The Martells would try to get custody of the kids but well, Robert says no. He does allow visits but theyre monitored. - I think there would be talks of having Joffrey marry Rhaenys to join their claims together and other political reasons. Alternatively, they could have Myrcella marry Aegon. Either way, the former would lead to a Robb/Myrcella or an Arya/Tommen marriage while the latter would have a Joffrey/Sansa marriage

[@whitefire179]

@ this is exactly how I was thinking it would go , it also made me wonder if they would ever meet Daenerys and viserys before he dies , would they ever come into contact with Daenerys, would viserys still feel the need to Marry Daenerys to khal drogo, do the dragons exist in this timeline , do rhaenys and aegon die in this timeline but older , would they instead marry eachother because rhaenys and aegon would be way older the jofferey , tommen and Marcella

[@whitefire179]

@ I saw some fan art of what aegon and rhaenys would’ve looked like if they didn’t die and that’s what made me thing of this , also what would this mean for Jon , how would his character change ? Would he be as important in this time as he was in the original, and what would this mean for Daenerys too ?

[@ifeeldead463]

​@@whitefire179 Rhaenys and Viserys have def met before, Aegon too but he doesnt remember Viserys. Theyre not particularly close thanks to Aerys. I also think Viserys would still marry Dany off to Khal Drogo as he needed the manpower to help him get his home back, tho in this instance he also needs the manpower to help him rescue his niece and nephew, who he feels obligated to rescue. I think Robert wouldnt allow them to marry out of disgust and political reasons. I also think theyd still go along with marrying Rhaenys off to Joffrey as a compromise of sorts, solidify both claims and maybe make peace. Also, I dont think the age difference is too egregious, those two would be around Robb and Jon's age range I think

[@matheusdemello2323]

What if *Part Two* to Robb & Myrcella? What if Gerold Hightower or Varys kill The Mad King while Jamie was at the Tower Of Joy? What if Ned won agents Jaime at the Tower Of Joy? What if Rhaelle Baratheon, the grandmother of Robert, Stannis & Renly was still alive during Robert’s Rebellion? What if Robert Baratheon has a Trueborn daughter by Cersei Lannister? What if the *Cordyceps* from *The Last Of Us* was in Westeros?

[@N3wman2992]

The last of us idea was really out there, that would be cool though, especially in a time where displease spreads worse than modern times

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

What if Petyr died dueling Brandon?

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

I would wonder, wouldn't the cause of the rebellion leave a sour taste in so many mouths that plots would be hatched to usurp Rhaegar and replace him with Viserys when he's older? Would Aegon actually be willing to usurp his dad? Would Rhaella still die in childbirth? Would Ned demand a marriage between Robb and Daenerys to keep Rhaegar in line?

[@TheElochai]

Honestly, I think Cercei would be happy in Dorne. Oberyn would treat her better than Robert. He's not bad to look at and he's more than able to do his duty to her in the marriage bed. In Dorne, I see her having affairs, many affairs and Oberyn bringing a friend home for them. She might be on good terms with the "mothers" of the extra kids. The Dornish have a different way of looking at affair children and affairs and I think Cercei might just be able to turn a blind eye to the extra kids.

[@LizFerguson-xz1mz]

Ellia, and Jamie for sure. It haunts Tywin. I think Cercie would be Queen. That was the path that would make a difference. My opinion.

[@jo.drummond.grytza]

A what if I always finking about is what if Quicksilver didn't die, like the Aegon was killed by Maegor but the dragon had survived. And what if she survived until the Dance

[@jayrichard9633]

What if Alicent married Laenor? What if Alicent was born a male? What if Loras and Sansa got married?

[@ifeeldead463]

M!Alicent would marry Rhaenyra while Viserys marries Laena. I like to think Alicent and Rhaenyra's marriage would be a happy one, tho considering this is asoiaf, its likely gonna be a doomed love story (like Rhaenyra dies fighting for her birthright, leaving Alicent to keep up the fight, this time for their firstborn child)

[@jacobmoore6874]

11:00 honestly I think with her living in Dorne she would be a little more technical and kill Tyrion with a kiss and the long goodbye the way Oberyns paramour did.

[@tritsav1017]

What if the white walkers attacked during the house of the dragon era... Btw love this vid

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

They would lose bro to many dragons and larger armies at the ready

[@maryjack08]

Damon would have the time of his life being allowed to fly around on his dragon and roast zombies

[@Voxdalian]

I agree that Tywin would likely side with Aerys in the rebellion here, but I'm not sure they'd win. The reason he was holding off to begin with was because Tywin didn't think his participation would change the outcome. Though I do like how this version continues after the rebellion.

[@sweet1661]

What if Bronn died in tyrion’s trial by combat in the vale

[@RaulRamirez-se9qo]

Would like to see a continuation of this with Jon being raised by rhaegar in the capital

[@marisollopes9207]

What if Littlefinger won the duell for Cats hand? (Maybe bc Brandon tripped or so)

[@moshspitt]

If you haven’t already could you do what if Joanna lived?

[@baswar]

Think its unlikely due to the viper being landless. Ellia marrying jamie seems more likely though

[@maryjack08]

Yeah it would be unlikely unless Jaime was released from the King's Guard and got married to someone from a Westerosi house. Maybe a world where Robert died during the rebellion and Jaime took the crown. Tywin could marry Jaime off to someone politically valuable (Lysa? Making a solod connection with a southern house but also maling him Ned's brother in law to connect the north), and send Cersei off to Essos so she wouldn't mess up Jaime's marriage. It could start a whole new war of the bastards, with Petyr/Lysa and Jaime/Cersei. With Robert dead, Ned wouldn't have to lie to Caitlin about who Jon's parents are. Then again, he might have even more motivation to lie because Jon Targaryen would be a threat to Lysa if she doesn't have a legitimate child with Jaime. A war where the Lannisters and Starks are on the same side vs Petyr Baelish's manipulations would be interesting. Maybe the Stormlands try to challenge Jaime, and Highgarden takes their side.

[@zardsire2012]

What if Jon Arryn became king

[@aidanbacon6043]

What if Robert named Stannis hand

[@Rhaenarys]

9:14 Id argue more that since she is effectively brought up as Dornish, she would lose the stigma agaisnt bastards. And since Oberyn was also a pretty open relationship on BOTH sides kind of guy, yea...Id argue because of the different upbringing, she would have a different attitude towards infedelity and bastards in general. Its not really about what we see in the books, but how she would be molded differently as a child being brought up in such a different and progressive place compared to the Rock.

[@ph89787]

What if Rhaenyra fought in the Stepstones?

[@jordanlane870]

What if daemon and caraxes lived

[@majdanamacinski9498]

This sounds very compelling! And through. Please: What if Jaime was bethroted to Lyanna after bethrotal with Robert was terminated because Lyanna complained to Rickatd?

[@maryjack08]

Cersei would poison him the first time she met one of his mistresses

[@_sssnips]

Damn so no John at Castle Black? And since Danny isn’t over the narrow sea having a Dothraki wedding she probably won’t revive the dragon eggs or even have the determination to conquer so no dragon fire birth.

[@thescotsman2071]

Day 2 of asking for: What if Stannis baratheon stayed loyal to the Mad King during Robert's Rebellion.

[@efrent-vr3bm]

Suggestion - What if Aerys II listens to Varys and doesn't open the gates to Tywin

[@suvaansewram7434]

What if Joanna Lannister had lived

[@jontayvious]

What if Joanna Lannister didnt die giving birth to Tyrion

[@Nickmona5]

That Needs to Happen

[@jontayvious]

@Nickmona5 Why

[@Nickmona5]

@@jontayvious That would be a interesting What If

[@jontayvious]

@Nickmona5 Oh I misread your comment. Thought you were saying that Joanna NEEDS to die

[@coalcaster2372]

What if all the mad kings children had lived to adulthood

[@Nickmona5]

What if Jon Arryn Lived?

[@brennabrodbeck5183]

What if Sansa Stark actually married Loras Tyrell

[@wandaXmaximoff]

I wonder, would Cersei try to kill Doran? So that Oberyn becomes Prince of Dorne/ Lord of Sunspear?

[@quranfrazier157]

What if Jon Arryn was never killed?

[@Troop_321]

What if Jon arryn had an older son

[@WickedCool23]

What if Rhaegar’s children escaped to Essos instead of Viserys and Daenerys? Or what if both sets of children escaped?

[@mayasixtus1573]

Questions: What if Oberon Won? What the Bear killed Brieane of Tarth? Why are short swords or daggers "conniving"? They are a better fit for females who are not heavily muscled.

[@WickedCool23]

What if ALL of Aerys and Rhaella’s children had survived?

[@leangelcespedes8694]

What if Jaime married Ellia, what if Ned after Rikard and Brandon dead chose independence.

[@WickedCool23]

What if Oberyn survived the trial by combat?

[@Enbionic_Titan]

Dnt do my boy O.B like that... he deserves so much better than cersei

[@Cult_of_Aion]

Who would Prince Rhaegar name his hand had he have successfully taken the iron throne from Aerys?

[@kianmehrnadrei6986]

Tywin Lannister

[@Theoriginalhybrid.]

What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married a Dorne prince What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married a Tyrell

[@DarkApostleNoek]

I'm wondering unless I missed will Cersei have a child by this time or be pregnant? I'm unsure if Jaime will be kicked off the Kingsguard since I think Rhaegar knows he did like it and now he is with a more sane King, but instead may suggest a marriage between Tyrion & Daenerys since Tyrion is younger now, and will be assumed as the heir. Having a closer ties to the Royal Family may change Tywin's views on Tyrion and give him more time & duties earlier on. WHAT IF.... Mycella survived being poisoned? Ramsey missed Rickon? Margaery escaped the Wildfire? Euron killed Balon before Theon's first return?

[@ifeeldead463]

I like to think that Cersei is gonna live through her kids. Like Tywin is likely planning on having Cersei and Oberyn's child to marry Rhaenys or Aegon, depending on the kid's gender. Either way, for Tywin, a Lannister grandchild sits on the throne, for Cersei, she can live through her Cersei/Rhaegar fantasy some other way.

[@kleailia6332]

What if Robert didn't love Lyanna? What if Tyrion married Ellia?

[@AliciaRasmus]

What if Joanna lived. What if the mad king married Joanna. What if Jamie married eila/elia

[@shantanusinghrajput3123]

What if sansa married Tommen

[@dragondotell701]

What if Renly supported Stannis?

[@markgroesbrndstrup5923]

What if Agegon the unworthy won against Maegor the cruel

[@vink5581]

You mean aegon the uncrowned?

[@WickedCool23]

What if the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna was female? How much would “Jeyn Snow” change the story?

[@Rebel_Lord_Taron]

I have always wondered about this and thought about it a lot of times what would happen if these two married

[@johnathanroutt527]

What if Jon was Legitimized

[@leangelcespedes8694]

What if Jon Arryn have a son with his second wife.

[@kianmehrnadrei6986]

This is not that compelling. Even with the lannister army by his side, Rhaegar Targaryen would still get killed. The Battle of the Trident spells Rhaegar's doom with Robert Baratheon in his prime. Rhaegar will lose but with the help of the lannister army at the capital the Mad King will prevail. For now!

[@ScholaroftheCitadel]

What if Elia married Baelor Hightower

[@ImaBlack1969]

What if Joannah Lannister Lived?

[@alphapython2475]

What if Rhaenys (HOTD) was born a male? 'She' wouldn't be able to marry corlys or viserys so what matches would be made and how would this impact otto's plan to have his daughter become queen?

[@Enbionic_Titan]

😅

[@elinakangas571]

Man Rhaenys could have a son and Otto could try to marry Alicent to him.

[@hellcomplex]

what if rhaenyra only had daughters? would that change much or anything other than gender in the dance of dragons?

[@emilybarclay8831]

Given its Rhaenyra’s son who is the progenitor of the entire rest of the house of Targaryen after him, it would change a LOT. Since if Rhae had only daughters, there would be no more house of Targaryen. Every Targ born after 127 is the direct descendant of one or both of Rhaenyra’s sons

[@hellcomplex]

@emilybarclay8831 rhae's imaginary daughters are still possible to recreate themselves tho. and if rhae does that thing king vizzy did when arranging rhae x laenor and their reigning child takes the targ last name instead of the father's per westeros standards, the family won't necessarily die out. or, going targ style, she weds her daughter to another targ but those options are a bit limited after the war. still not impossible tho.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@ except the situation with Laenor only worked because all parties involved knew they weren’t Laenor’s kids so he didn’t care. Good luck finding a lord who’d be willing to have his children not take his name

[@hellcomplex]

@@emilybarclay8831 that name decision was made prior to the kids when the union was still being spoken about. but still- and in this scenario, if laenor is still the "baby father"- the request would still be followed through and the future heir of rhae would be a targ. but if corlys was willing to accept that, as ambitious as he is to have his family closer to the throne, surely someone else would if in this scenario, the father to rhae's daughters is from another great house.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@ my point is that that arrangement was one that would not fly with any husband except Laenor, changing the rules of the system that’s existed for thousands of years on a whim doesn’t tend to work. All of Laenor’s children with Rhaenyra had the surname Velaryon, and were referred to as Velaryons

[@stephenscott6111]

Daenerys doesn’t get the dragons then

[@quitymovies9723]

What if Rhaena married Aemond

[@kadeemhamilton9208]

What if Jace was born a girl?

[@thephrohet]

What if ser barristan selmy joined robb stark

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Suggestion: Aerys II dies in Duskendale

[@simonpierre8283]

What if Stannis won battle of ice. What if Robb married frey What if Robb joind Stannis What if vale joind Robb. What if dorne joind Stannis What if joffrey survied what if Tommen survied. What if edmure killed mountain. What if Aegon son of rhaegar existed

[@denofentropy]

What if Jon Snow was born a girl?

[@albertcoreas5162]

What if Sansa was caught by the lannisters after Joffrey death?