What if GOKU used SUPER KAIOKEN against Cell?

We all know the Super Kaioken can be fatal, but what if Goku HAD to use it against Perfect Cell? What would the consequences be? Let's find out!
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[@LastDreamrr]

If Goku combined Master Roshi’s body renforcement technique and the super kaioken he could essentially create an infinite potential transformation.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

At the very least, it’d be an interesting looking form lol

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

That would just he a slightly stronger base + whatever multiplier he can go up to, infinite potential would probably be potential unoeashed + super saiyan god

[@KaiKrimson56]

Super Saiyan Grade 3.5: Kaioken Edition.

[@sumnahlennon5449]

If Goku used Kaioken, Cell would use Kaioken back. Cell has most of those moves

[@vito6197]

@@sumnahlennon5449 that's true

[@maximillianoorosco-randhaw9336]

Please make a part 2 of this scenario and if you can, have Gohan keep up with his training

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Seems like a lot of people wanna see it, so I’d be interested in it!

[@Apollo-p7h]

@@InnovativeJdawg Yea dude! Most What If's are only a few minutes, and don't include any future events. So that'd be awesome to see, keep up the good work!

[@adamwade6243]

There are some problems with this Alternate Timeline, as FPSSJ Son Goku using a 2X Kaiōken would have been more than enough to have surpassed and then defeated Perfect Cell, Son Goku should have been constantly receiving Zenkai Boosts from him recovering from his injuries after eating a Senzu Bean during the Cell Games, and Son Gohan should have still been able to achieve Full Power Super Saiyan, as Son Gohan has a higher natural fighting potential and hidden potential than Son Goku too.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Gohan not having the large potential we know him to have is the catalyst of the story, that’s why it’s a “what if” since it’s one of his defining traits in the main series, and if he didn’t have it, things would be vastly different. As for the zenkai argument, that’s true. He’d be getting stronger with each senzu bean but the strain of the Super Kaioken was just too much and it kept draining him faster than he could keep up with.

[@egoistagatto7942]

well yeah... technically basic kaioken is enough since in super saiyan form Goku and Cell were kind of matched

[@eplatamx2017]

The biggest problem was Cell not using Kaioken himself

[@kirillheroes98]

@@InnovativeJdawg Zenkai doesnt work anymore since Cell Saga soooooo no Zenkai

[@Night-gw3oe]

@@kirillheroes98 ??? Cell literally got a zenkai when he blew himself up

[@anouaressanoussi]

I think you're underestimating the potential of super kaioken. SSJ1 is 50x base and SSJ2 is 100x base. That would mean ssjkaioken is 50x*2 base which is basically SSJ2. He'd be a little bit weaker than OG ssj2 Gohan, but far more than enough for Cell. I'd say Cell would be defeated easily, unless Cell would use kaioken as well.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

The thing is that even if it’s equivalent to SSJ2, Super Kaioken has drawbacks and would be a massive strain on the body in comparison to SSJ2, which isn’t straining

[@anouaressanoussi]

@@InnovativeJdawg I feel like goku wouldn't have wasted around and finish off Cell ASAP. The problem would be if Super Perfect Cell returns which Goku can't beat anymore because he can't hold on to kaioken

[@tuffmoney5203]

@@anouaressanoussi sensu bean

[@royalpancakes7807]

​@Anouar Esn That or like you said, Cell Learns the kaioken which means everyone might be REALLY screwed. Cell has regeneration and saiyan cells to help him keep strong

[@anouaressanoussi]

@@tuffmoney5203 I wouldn't be surprised if goku can't swallow a senzu bean cause his whole body is paralysed

[@rixen112]

i really like how you used kaioken ssj like they did blue and god in the manga only using it (blue and kaioken respectively) to speed up, defend, and attack

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks! I used that scene as inspiration cause not only is it a cool visual but it applies really well to the Kaioken

[@ionryful]

Actually, Super Kaioken was a thing in Z. Goku used it in the Otherworld Tournament filler arc.

[@rixen112]

@@ionryful yes i know, but that was just a one off thing. im drawing comparison from turning it on and off to conserve stamina and strength

[@kitokosound]

No way Goku would fight any opponent while eating senzu beans😅 but that's still an enjoyable what if keep them coming 👊🏿

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I just thought it would be a cool concept to throw in there lol

[@Leon_Silverblood]

This was a very interesting story but from the way you were describing the way Goku kept using the Kaioken and then eating a senzu bean I thought he was going to keep getting zenkai boosts until he turned Super Saiyan 2 LOL

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks! But yeah that might’ve been possible lol, I was more so thinking it would be a cool concept to use in a fight

[@kyanoang3l0_old]

Goku Black actually did something similar in the manga. Future Zamasu would heal Black whenever the latter got beaten up to exploit Zenkai boosts. If memory serves, Black surpassed full-power SSj2 Trunks (which was almost equal to SSj3 Goku in the manga, mind you) in just his base form, and later almost matched SSjG in just his SSj1 form, which was able to keep up with a weakened SSjB Vegeta, before finally unlocking Rose after one more heal. If Goku had a whole *bundle* of Senzus for himself in this what-if, he might go even further than SSj2. Lmao.

[@SilverBordered]

I was under the impression the reason he never did this in the manga was due to the fact the Kaio-ken requires immense focus and a relatively calm mind, and turning Super Saiyan period meant being in a state of emotional turmoil. It wasn't a matter of killing himself instantly, it just wasn't physically possible.

[@colinnixon7739]

The kaio Ken and the SS transformation combined would expend all of his energy in one use. The biggest issue with SS was that it burns so much energy even just transforming into it. And while they are ss ki is just buring off their bodies. It wasn't until ssj2 that they learned to control that amount of leaking. I think goku literally just didn't know how to combine them until super lol

[@quietveg]

well the perfected super saiyan allows them to be calm of mind and not waste energy or stamina trying to hold the transformation

[@Viperspider1]

Interesting take! I like that Goku died fighting and that it was the catalyst for SSJ2.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@Viperspider1 thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the story

[@akramkochi]

Love the intro,That was smooth.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@akramkochi]

@@InnovativeJdawg Don't mention it,Dude.Keep up the good job!

[@anthonyarmenta2979]

Honestly this was a way better and more meaningful death for Goku, I wish it would have played out like this, also I would love to see your take on 16 in the future story especially T.O.P given how much stronger 17 got I think there's a lot of potential there for 16. Great video!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I really appreciate that, I wanted to try and make this more of a meaningful story rather than a straight up fight because then people would be doing nothing but debunking or power scaling in the comments. Android 16 though, I’m definitely interested in exploring more of his character

[@anthonyarmenta2979]

@@InnovativeJdawg power scaling in dragon ball is so inconsistent in my point of view especially when it comes to the potential argument with Gohan and the inconsistency of when characters get zenkai and how much it actually increases power, I think you were dead on with this one and definitely got a new subscriber, I hope you do explore Android 16 and am genuinely looking forward to it. Keep up the good work and ignore all the power scalers and people trying to debunk certain aspects, I think you're really onto something here.

[@jaylindsey9779]

Damn...imagine being stupid

[@Pmujsrepmuj]

I don’t know if it would have beaten him but if he did use super kaioken i think he could maybe weaken him a bit more also the new intro looks cool

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Agreed and thanks I appreciate it!

[@justinsden]

Keep up this content bro. Great commentary and story! Cant wait till the next! 🔥

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I appreciate the kind words 🙏

[@gamervradleyjakesabando8292]

Super kaioken looks similar to ssj rose

[@The_Andromeda_Galaxy]

The real question is why cell didn't do it? His body should've absolutely been able to handle it given what he is. And theirs no reason for him not to have known it.

[@jamesgolden8366]

If cell used kaioken everyone would die I think

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Main reason why he didn’t use it is because of plot I’d guess. But also, maybe he wouldn’t even want to use it in the first place, even if he knew it would’ve been an easy win and he could handle it

[@dreemurrprince]

Ironically enough some people actually underestimate how dangerous Kaioken actually is. We only see Goku, (someone who has basically mastered it) use it EVER. It nearly PARALYZES him multiple times despite near mastery. Imagine if someone BRAND new to it tried it? Regeneration or not they’d just explode.

[@zaitoro_7222]

Cell would easily use kaioken easily since he has Picollo’s cells, think about it

[@ShermanYeo]

True, but it would also damage him, just because he has Picollo's cells, doesn't mean he is invincible, he can still be hurt by the drawbacks of the KK.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

True, I actually made a short a while back talking about Cell using Kaioken. His Piccolo cells would be broken, but I think the regeneration is more for missing limbs and what not, but it’d still be helpful

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

he cant use kaioken and it doesnt make sense that he has instant transmission either

[@ThatGuy-a48]

​@AndroidSenpai but yet he also has the multiform technique solar flare and SPC ( training matters jackshit to cell )

[@FizzyMcSoda]

Cell didn't know he could regenerate until he witnessed Piccolo himself do it. It's likely that after he sees Goku pair Kaioken with SSJ; he'd likely start using it himself; which would mean doom for the Dragon Team; as Cell has a much better body for the technique. Interestingly this would still lead to Goku dying, and SSJ2 Gohan being a thing, but it'd be SSJ2 Gohan VS Perfect Kaiocell; which would probably be similar in strength to Super Perfect Cell, but with a twist...he may be able to use higher multipliers safely due to the way his body works.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That’d be a cool fight to see for sure, but in my eyes, I don’t think Cell would want to use the technique in the first place because of his ego for his perfect body. I made a short about it a little while ago and I mainly think that way because he used the Kamehameha before ever meeting anybody who could do it, so we know he has access and knowledge of these techniques, but there’s hundreds of them that he never pulled out

[@FizzyMcSoda]

@@InnovativeJdawg I see what you're saying; though I think maybe when he realizes that SSJ2 Gohan is in another league; he may change his tune? He lost his cool when Gohan overpowered him, and even resorted to bulking up like Trunks did despite mocking him for it earlier. Perhaps in this scenario he would use Kaioken instead of the inferior Trunks inspired power up?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@FizzyMcSoda That definitely could’ve been a possibility!

[@ThatGuy-a48]

Yeah if cell can use say x10 or god forbid x20 everyone is screwed unless Buu shows up and gets absorbing, or Beerus shows up ( or they take a trip to vampa I guess)

[@awsomesause]

Cell would probably used kaioken either while fighting Goku to mock him or while fighting Gohan to stand a chance.

[@la7402]

This was actually an interesting, though short What if. By the way, if you do take suggestions, could you do What if the Earth didn't forget Goku after the battle against King Piccolo? It may not change things drastically, but it's an interesting scenario to think about, particularly if Hercule can't take credit against Cell or the population's reaction to their dead champion coming back in the Buu Saga for the tournament.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! Also, that’s an interesting idea from a character standpoint, I’d be interested in talking about it

[@cellandbuuaremyfavoritedbz1542]

Nice Videos Bro i will share this to my friends they are all fans of dragon ball u got a new subscriber

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I really appreciate that

[@cellandbuuaremyfavoritedbz1542]

@@InnovativeJdawg WELCOME BRO

[@plasmiusphantom]

Great work, JDawg!!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@casellpeterson7424]

When Goku was getting the Zenkai boost for every time his body recovered and healed from the senzu beans? That should have gave him enough power to reach the level of cell or even surpassed him?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It would’ve given him the chance to do so, yeah, but not completely clear Cell in terms of power like Gohan did. Goku could have the chance to blow Cell away with one final attack, but likely wouldn’t have been able to destroy every single atom in his body.

[@casellpeterson7424]

​@@InnovativeJdawgokay thanks for the explanation I was just wondering with the Saiyan's Zen Boost from their battles and healing from the senzu beans should have been really helpful too them

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@casellpeterson7424 Oh for sure it would be real helpful, I’m surprised they haven’t done it in the main series. When it comes to this battle against Cell though? It probably wouldn’t have been as effective

[@casellpeterson7424]

@@InnovativeJdawg it would have been very helpful to them but I keep getting the feeling that the Creator may have just completely written that part out for the sake of the story just my theory

[@Anime-117]

Android 16: Huh, I never die in this timeline? But Goku still does. These parameters, are acceptable

[@InnovativeJdawg]

A world without Goku, he’d be a happy guy

[@Anime-117]

@@InnovativeJdawg *Bird*

[@KALICOE]

According to old krillin asked the same thing when him N Gohan came out the chamber he said he master it and can't turn it off it just felt natural now

[@mafe_9101]

He could hold it for a few seconds and after it he would be more fatigued than he actually was in this fight

[@mikelogan3547]

So Goku might try to stack Kaioken on top of his SSJ2 or even SSJ3 in the afterlife. Android 16 might either work for Capsule corp or work with Android 17, if Android 16 lives in Capsule corp and continues receiving updates from Bulma, 16can become vegeta’ training partner. Kirrlin need longer time to empress Android 18. Those can contribute to a lots difference not just in Buu arc, but also in Super.

[@UniversityTower]

1:11 gohan went ssj3 for a moment lol

[@mtheory3]

This is really thought through well. I really enjoyed this. Glad I found your channel

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! That means a lot, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

[@biggie2335]

In my opinion when goku did his Instant Transmission Kamehameha right before his blast he shoulda done the super Kaioken that woulda have surely obliterated cell simply for the fact that if it is as strong as SS2 for the brief time he does it and cell wasn’t even in full power then that woulda forsure gotten it done

[@lordtobirama9965]

Goku might not be able to fight combining both at the same time, but what about combining them just for one single blast like the one kamehameha he performed against Cell? Kaioken + Super Saiyan + Kamehameha, it seems feasible to me

[@InnovativeJdawg]

In actuality that could work, especially nowadays when he’s much stronger. However if he were to do even that during the Cell Games, it would still do fatal damage

[@95reide]

Definitely neat, but I don't think anything would drive Goku to spam senzu beans mid-fight. Otherwise, I really liked it. You especially have a nice voice to listen to.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks I appreciate that! As for the senzu bean thing, I just figured it would’ve been a cool idea to have in a fight, so I just used it for fun

[@95reide]

You're not exactly wrong, but it would fall under the category of cheap or dishonorable tactics that would revolt everyone except Trunks. Maybe Vegeta attempted something similar on Namek, but I can't think of any other heal-spamming. I think Goku would be more likely to attempt a coordinated assault, or a rapid-spiritbomb.

[@ThatGuy-a48]

Yeah Goku would literally rather die ( along with his friends and family) than do something like that

[@sheriefwoodard8686]

If he used that it would probably work out just like the Instant Kamehameha only Goku would have no energy at all when finished

[@theervinalliance6339]

Fantastic job I hope you continue this story, also you gained a new subscriber.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks! Glad you liked it

[@GOKUZ_THE_EDITOR]

This story remains me of xeno goku because he did not die against cell

[@RiceCooker-san]

In my opinion i think another reason goku didn't use the kaioken is so cell wouldn't learn how to use kaioken because cell learned instant transmission just by seeing it

[@InnovativeJdawg]

You’re thinking of Goku Black, who learned his techniques upon seeing them. Cell already had the techniques embedded in his DNA, which is why we saw him use the Special Beam Cannon before ever seeing Piccolo use it. Cell only learned Instant Transmission AFTER Goku sacrificed himself, he already had Goku’s DNA in him, but only DNA that was collected BEFORE Goku was on Namek. Cell regenerated himself in response to Goku’s death, essentially “absorbing” Goku’s cells and receiving a zenkai in the process.

[@BenWillock]

Does Kaioken cause emotional turmoil? I know SSJ does. I thought Kaioken just required intense concentration and perfect ki control?

[@spritvio639]

I don't really see how SSJ with KK would be stressful or at least more stressful than already using it in Base. I know Super says it would be, but in the original story, Goku and Gohan mastered SSJ to the point where it became their new base form during the ten days with no drawbacks to speak of.

[@codyknight3580]

Not entirely true. So what is happening is that while he can maintain the SSJ form without any drain to his energy, it's still straining his body physically due to the fact that there's that little bit of rage within him while in that form. It is still a form that is multiplying your body's limits, so it'll strain your body no matter how well you master it. Adding the Kaioken, which puts an even greater strain on your body, would then also multiply by the SSJ multiplier. Essentially, Kaioken x2 in SSJ Grade 4/FPSSJ would be adding a 100x strain to his body, and the higher the level of Kaioken he uses, the more difficult the strain on his body is

[@thelegendarysupersaiyangod2325]

I'll tell you that super saiyan 2 themes and playing in my head

[@RhafiAuliaRahman]

this is so much better than tge original

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed!

[@Midtier_Fortune]

Awesome what if, w creator, subbed just now

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks glad you enjoyed it!

[@jamarlbryant1445]

Awesome video

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

it's basically ssj2 goku vs cell, cell cant use kaioken, goku should win if he somehow puts all of his power into one quick blast

[@dayvonlouis5187]

It’s debatable whether or not Cell could use the Kaioken seeing as how he somehow inexplicably gained the ability to use instant transmission which is a spirit control technique not simply a Ki technique and the games did give him the ability to use the Spirit bomb despite the actual clear drawback of someone like Cell attempting to use such a technique

[@Cam_lostpotion]

This mean that goku can focus more on ssj3 and master it then kaioken against pikon so in the end that’s a win win android 16 still alive means faster forward to top it would be all three android plus goku vegeta gohan and piccolo

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Him mastering SSJ3 would be cool

[@69Nameless69]

Goku could have just used kaioken for a few seconds with his warp kamehameha and it would have been enough to vaporize cell

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@69Nameless69 Possibly, but that wouldn’t have been a fun story to tell

[@jaeybxrd]

18 is also now destroyed

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Not necessarily, there’s two ways she could be brought back. One is the fight between Gohan and Cell still playing out the same with Cell spitting her up, and Gohan going in for the kill before it’s too late, and the second scenario is they just wish her back with the Dragon Balls just like how 17 came back. Except with that scenario, 18 is less likely to get with Krillin because she wouldn’t have been there to hear his wish about removing the bombs in their chest

[@LuigiReacts.]

Nice bro😁

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you!

[@LuigiReacts.]

I watch your videos all the time😁

[@localgokufan]

This is a really a good and interesting story u should continue more of these what if like stories

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! I have a few ideas I wanna do in the future

[@localgokufan]

Well I cant wait to see them in the future for you pal 👍

[@drezzo1557]

This was nice! Make a part 2

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed, I’m definitely interested in making a second part!

[@Jarikraider]

Does overexertion count as a natural death like the heart virus and he can no longer be revived by the Dragon Balls though?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That’s actually interesting to think about. Probably not? I could be wrong, but I feel like it could fall into a different category different from natural illnesses, since it was technically self inflicted

[@UltimateDurzan]

Then died from overexertion in the sayian saga, so he could be revived by Dragon Balls in that circumstance.

[@howtogoogle8031]

truns coudl also have traiend with goku his mothers first best friend what if future trunks and gohan trained together

[@louelastic954]

I've always thought that the only reason Goku could use Kaioken in Super Saiyan is because he was dead and it wasn't nearly as much of a strain on him. This is later supported by his statement concerning SS3 being harder to maintain while alive against Kid Buu. Ultimately, it would probably be a similar result as when Goku fired off that full power Kamehameha. Cell got badly damaged but ultimately fully healed, while Goku ended up expending too much energy to go for another kill shot.

[@HORRIOR1]

Considering Cell was able to copy Goku's Instant Transmission from just seeing it, he would also have copied Kaioken from such a long battle. Sure his body might take damage but he has regeneration.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Goku Black is the one who can copy techniques after seeing them, Cell already knew how to use them all as seen when he used the Kamehameha before every even meeting anybody who could use it

[@HORRIOR1]

@@InnovativeJdawg He was also able to copy techniques, he didn't learn instant transmission until after blowing up. Plus even then he would have Kaioken programmed into him since Goku used it before the Namek Saga.

[@thelargesmoke4791]

Would love to see some interactions between 16 and 13, 14, 15. +subscribed

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@MichealAfton99]

One thing I’m begging to see is kaioken+ssg since they both are calm state form/technique since goku said when he used kk10x vs hit it was a calm state it would be almost as strong as ssjb and a great move

[@fauxvier8519]

This is fun!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thank you!

[@isodrew2748]

Part 2 please 🙏🏽

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I’m interested in doing a sequel!

[@buildurtruckurway9118]

The reality is that if he did do it he would have just hit a 4x and tried to one shot cell. He would know it would only have 1 maybe 2 shots so he wouldn’t waste it and he certainly wouldn’t do it as a x1 he would try to jump so far above cell that a one shot kameha wave would end it. It probably would still end with goku dead just from literally committing suicide thru overall power. But I think he would beat cell.

[@RaphaelAnimation-ph]

I think its much better than the main story because first super kaioken is real that will make sense when goku use kaioken on top of ssj blue in dbs and another is android 16 is alive

[@ch4rliegaming]

Goku could had pulled this up, With The No-Drawbacks mastered super saiyan has and kaioken times 4, he could had definitely pulled this against cell, but why didnt he use it? Because cell has Gokus DNA, give cell kaioken and even SSJ2 gohan might lose.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Cell isn’t like Goku Black where if he sees a technique, he learns it. Cell already has techniques built INTO his DNA. That’s why we saw him use the Special Beam Cannon against Piccolo despite never having seen it before. If he wanted to use the Kaioken, he would have used the Kaioken, but it would have ruined his perfect body.

[@char_lizard8440]

It wouldn't be enough. Cell had so much strength in reserves that it wouldn't really mean anything.

[@ThatGuy-a48]

Pair that with his regeneration you need to be more than a little stronger than to kill him ( and if he isn't completely vaporized he just gets a zenkai boost )

[@tahatale8208]

16:by the way I never died in this version. Already my favorite story. (I know he doesn’t say it here, but I wanted to say that.)

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I can always appreciate a TFS reference lol

[@Paul-ng4jx]

I’ve only seen him use this move at two times in the series and that was against Python in the afterlife and didn’t he use it on the way to Namek when his ship was going towards the star after that magnetic storm, he went through

[@cliffson5860]

Kaioken is legit broken now I know why toriyama scrap it l mean if goku can stack let say kaoiken x50 in his super saiyan form there will be noneed for ssj 2 and 3

[@colinnixon7739]

It's even more absurd when you factor in he's doing it x10 and x20 in blue form.

[@elliotsturtplus3400]

I’d like to think super Kaioken was a back up plan if Gohan wasn’t enough against cell in the main timeline I mean

[@Braelin2funy]

YO I WAS JUST THINKING THIS

[@ninjagreen5507]

This might be a unpopular opinion but super kioken is like my absolute favorite transformation the color combo is so beautiful and ferocious it looks like a raging flame threatening to burn you just for being near!

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

cool pfp and intro

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks!

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

@@InnovativeJdawg np

[@hypersonic4562]

You can't tell me that super kaioken is not the most fire state ever

[@anthonyradford8605]

The reason SSJ and KK doesn’t mix is because Super Saiyan requires emotional stress. At the end of the day, even when mastered, FPSSJ is implied to be amazingly good for STAMINA, but nothing implies that he’s not still being forced to tap into his emotions. Kaioken is a technique that forces the user to maintain total “calming focus” as he says in Super. Calming Focus and Quiet Rage don’t mix well together, hence why it’s implied it would be an almost instant-loss. That being said, Goku fighting Cell and constantly eating Senzu Beans would give him HELLA Zenkai boosts, for it might be enough for him to transform in SSJ2 at that point anyway LMAO. Also for the same somewhat logic, I’m not entirely sure Gohan is that much weaker. There’s no power difference between Grade 1 and Grade 4. The idea is that, again, FPSSJ is supposed to be the “new base” almost, so they don’t have to waste energy transforming. Fact is, Gohan wasted energy with Cell anyway because he told Cell about his dormant power and that’s why Cell beat him up, and Cell gave him the time to power up in his Super Saiyan form anyway before they fought, so it’s reasonable to believe he would have let Gohan transform as well.

[@HamadAlmalki-d3g]

Part 2 please

[@Trap5656]

I liked how even though Gohan isn't as strong as his canon self, Goku still has fate in him. 🙂 Also, it really shows that Gohan's version of SSJ2 is on a different level since it took both Goku & Vegeta years to surpass. I'm curious about how 16 surviving will change stuff in the sequel series. 🤔 Anyways overall a really good video, and will check out part 2.

[@jamainegardner4193]

I'm pretty sure that even _with_ the Super Kaioken Cell would still be stronger, and I'm saying this for the main timeline Goku who had MSSJ Gohan as a training partner and was thus stronger. MSSJ Gohan was massively stronger than Goku at the time and yet Cell was able to casually dominate him whenever he wanted until he got SSJ2, which he also had a rage boost for. Then when Cell went full power in the Manga it even momentarily made Goku think Gohan might not win. Even with using and abusing the Senzu Beans I see no way this version of Goku using Super Kaioken would be enough for Cell (although if Canon Goku used and abused the Senzu Beans he might have a shot)

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Agreed, Cell was massively overpowered and even in the main timeline, he still had access to techniques we never got to see him use.

[@Fragmaker456]

He should've done it right before releasing that instant transmission kamehame-ha.

[@Cody-ps3wy]

Honestly I wish he did used super Kaioken in z it just looked so cool with his entire body being red it’s just sad it’s not canon although since he used Kaioken with super saiyan blue in db super I think it’s safe to say it’s possible but goku never needs to use it since we’ll he has the super saiyan god forms and ultra instinct so yeah I don’t think we’ll see super Kaioken ever again which is sad because in my opinion it’s underrated

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I agree! The Super Kaioken is one of my favorite things from the series

[@WiiFan-1300]

8:42 - 8:47 Perfect 🤣

[@Paul-ng4jx]

But wouldn’t taking those Soo beans be giving him Zenkis also also because kioken is ripping his body apart, and the beans are healing him

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It could, but if I recall, I think the actual arc address the fact that zenkais don’t really matter all too much by the time of Cell because they’ve gotten so strong. I might be misremembering that, but I remember that being addressed at some point

[@theevilben666]

He can't use kaioken ontop of ssj because of how the forms work...he can combine it with ssjgb because it's God ki, it's calm and serene

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It’s called a what if for a reason.

[@chrislabedzski9076]

He go super kaiokeeennnn kaboooom,,, the end

[@Iron_potato40k]

i want to see ss3 majin vegeta vs super kaioken x10 goku in the buu saga portion of this story.

[@quinndemoura-mu7dm]

If super Saiyan grade 4 is the same as using your base form and goku could use x2 pretty easy on Namek he would def be able to use higher multipliers if not x2 would be the same strength of ssj2 anyway

[@MdRifatBillah]

Waiting for part 2

[@D13dashow]

Cell stole the beans and released the cell jrs.. you have to retcon that part man. Great story tho

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Thanks, but I did change that part. There’s no cell juniors here.

[@MinhLe19303]

I'm not too sure if it's enough. SSJ2 Gohan at that time is more than just having SSJ2, as he's a hybrid Saiyan with inner rage and more potential, his rage made him way more dominant against Cell. SSJ2 Vegeta in Buu Saga never really surpassed Gohan SSJ2 at that time before he turns Majin.

[@AllMight6]

It stated he had surpassed gohan during the cell games

[@MinhLe19303]

@@AllMight6 He's only surpassed him after Babidi give him Majin power.

[@AllMight6]

@@MinhLe19303 he said that goku ALSO surpassed gohan

[@MinhLe19303]

@@AllMight6 Yeah, but it's because he trained in Other World.

[@Maximum_Nova]

you forgot that 18 was still dead and trunks never died, vegeta never reveals he cares about trunks

[@InnovativeJdawg]

The story would play out roughly the same the moment Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2. The only major difference is Goku dies sooner and 16 does not, everything after the SSJ2 transformation plays out the same, albeit with the absence of Goku

[@quietveg]

what about when cell comes back with the zenkai boost and when he reverts to 2nd form and tries blowing up the planet? there's no goku to save the world so I think this alternate timeline ends in tragedy

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I said at the end that Gohan would be more motivated to end the fight and avenge his father sooner rather than later, because in the main series, he was ready to kill Cell once Goku was gone. If he’s gone earlier, he’ll end the fight earlier.

[@legendarysupersaiyan2279]

Do a part 2

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Seems like a lot of people want to see it, I’d be interested in it!

[@legendarysupersaiyan2279]

@@InnovativeJdawg it will be amazing because goku will focus on kaoiken with super Saiyan 2 and more things

[@ChrisDeVarro]

Jdawg!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

Hey what’s up

[@SME_Radio_Network]

I think he would push Gohan as Well too though

[@janken3767]

then cell would also realize he has that technique and use it, the end

[@KhantKhant-jt5to]

Imagine Bro if Goku used Ssj3 kaiokenx20 in the whole world of db then every dbz saga wouldn't be alive anymore more like 8000x base form ❤❤❤😂😂😂😂

[@ruairidhkoch7875]

That is all BS the only and I mean the ONLY reason Goku never KK after frieza was because it was hard to balance. IF leadership really wanted SKK we would have seen it, just look at DBS

[@InnovativeJdawg]

It’s called a “what if” for a reason.

[@eg6gsr]

Technically a x2 kaioken would essentially put him at ssj2 level so he could be cell but could his body handle the strane of ssj and kaioken at that moment? If he gohan wasnt the option and he actually train then id say yes but just randomly trying to use it......ahhhhiiii dont think so

[@BeastmanWatchUrMouth]

This is cool but I hate the ending. I think it should have ended with Goku whipping out Super Kaioken x2 for that final kamehameha and it obliterating cell, but at the cost of his own life.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

That’s fine if you don’t like the ending, there’s a lot of different ways this could have played out. I’m just glad you watched and enjoyed most of it!

[@eplatamx2017]

How come Cell didnt use Kaioken himself?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

He probably wouldn’t even want to in the first place

[@eplatamx2017]

@@InnovativeJdawg Why not? doesn't he want to live?

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@eplatamx2017 his ego for his perfect body. He wouldn’t want to use something that strains him if he already views himself as perfect

[@eplatamx2017]

​@@InnovativeJdawg He didn't have any trouble cowardly blowing himself up when he ran out of options. During his fight with SSj2 Gohan he copied Trunks bulky form just to try to win by any mean possible. Kaioken is not even a transformation, just a technique, and Cell had a thing for using copied techniques against their original users.

[@InnovativeJdawg]

@@eplatamx2017 Actually, Cell didn’t use the bulky form to try to win, he did it to demean Trunks and show him how worthless of a form it was. As for when he resorted to blowing himself up against Gohan, that was AFTER he spit up 18 and lost his perfect body. If that happened and he went back to being imperfect, then for sure he’d go with the Kaioken, but I don’t think he’d want to use it when IN his perfect form. If that makes sense.

[@littlebro1200]

Make part 2 please!

[@InnovativeJdawg]

I’m interested in it, glad you are too!

[@lordadz1615]

yes its filler but seeing that it happend in super id still consider it possiuble but gokus body would have too much strain from doing it sadly. I feel like he would of been able to pummel cell but at the cost of his life. however i mean seeing how he could be a super saiyan without straining his body (mssj) i felt like technically it should of been possible.

[@hanginwithyourbuds6240]

He would've died lol I don't think his body could've handled it back then.

[@Dianaprincey-sr5ys]

Cell has good stamina though that he already show cased against Goku's mastered super saiyan where Goku ended up gassing out despite having mastered the super saiyan form so likely while Goku using the kaioken would be strong at first but likely he would start gassing out while Cell would be at the same pace putting beating on Goku but if he killed Goku Gohan wouldve achieved super saiyan 2 and killed Cell anyways

[@winstonsworld9236]

Why didnt master roshi just use the evil containment wave 😂

[@somerandomguy9891]

What if CELL used the kaioken (x5, x10...maybe even x20) against SS2 Gohan?