What If Sansa Pushed Joffrey? (Game Of Thrones)

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What If Sansa Stark pushed Joffrey Baratheon to his demise in season 1 of Game Of Thrones?

[@Raycloud]

Bad look for Meryn to let his king get pushed off of a bridge by a little girl. He's better off lying and saying Joffrey slipped.

[@jman5949]

Also did he really like Joffery anyways?

[@cloverazar5315]

@@jman5949right? “Sorry Queen Cersei, I was slower than some thirteen year old girl…” Like, dude. Lie and say it was raining, he slipped on grease, a black cat crossed his path, whatever you can, because otherwise you are gonna be up there with poor dead Ned

[@amandajudge472]

Can't see meryn lying know,,,

[@AmberLawliet71]

​@@cloverazar5315she would probably have him executed anyway for being careless

[@ConsueloWubba]

"What would you do if you saw someone murder your boss?" I WOULD HUG THEM.

[@captainpinky8307]

lol!

[@EchelonBlueAlt]

- right AFTER back dating that paperwork for the RIDICULOUS raise.

[@lolli_popples]

Sansa and Jaime dying right after each other is so fitting. 2 kingslayers executed in one fell swoop.

[@atriumgamesmore4336]

YOOOOOO, this NEEEDS a part two, I love how this is going. It feels like a lot of the "What Ifs" in the War of The Five Kings arcs all kind of have the same ending of, "And then Daenarys and her Dragons come," but this one seems to have a lot of potential in the way you've structured it, I love this!

[@Crazylegs677]

I'm sorry I cheated on your videos with AI slop theories. This is so much better.

[@lucaswilliams4739]

Nah fr them ai videos be so bad 😂😂

[@tsi4357]

Then videos don’t be making a lick of sense, and they the way they pronounce the names is sooo bad.

[@TheRavenloftShow]

@@lucaswilliams4739 fr the conclave making his 30th "what if jon snow married x" and the whole time the ai is saying nothing of substance and the videos like 1 hour long

[@Tracer2619]

I'm still waiting for the "What if Reginald Lannister was allowed to sleep" theory video. I'm guessing the war would've been over immediately after, and he would've gotten a dragon and stopped the White Walkers.

[@facesofthechimera]

Does anyone know what AI they use to generate said slop?

[@saumankhan3638]

I have a what if idea “What if ned stark believed that joffrey was the true king”

[@janus2773]

ned still wouldn't like the lannisters and cercei still wouldn't allow him to govern until joffrey comes of age. the question is how far would he go if it was just about robert's last decree. he was willing to lie in the end for his family's sake. if he truly considered joffrey to be robert's son, he might even feel protective of him and might want to prevent him from being manipulated by cercei and appeal to him "this is what your father wanted", but joffrey still wouldn't care and from that point on things would play out pretty much the same.

[@jorikrouwenhorst7220]

I imagine Sandor looming over Trant and saying. “And what are you going to tell the queen?“ Trant’s face stiffens with gritted teeth. “Robert was drunk and got gutted by boar, Barristan got ‘dismissed’ from the kings guard. What do you think the queen is going to do to you when she hears that you couldn’t prevent her precious son from being pushed to his death by a little girl?

[@Necroxion]

Imagine if Sandor also pushed Meryn and then claimed that Meryn was already trying to help Joffrey but also slipped

[@____________838]

That was my suggestion? But as it was said in the video, apparently there were other kings guard in the area.

[@manband20]

My big argument against this plotline so far is Sansa wouldn't be able to die because the two biggest power players in King's Landing (Littlefinger and Varys) wouldn't allow it. Littlefinger is a total creep who wants to use Sansa as a means of controlling the Vale, the Riverlands, and the North. He orchestrates the murder of a major Lannister just to have an excuse to help her flee the city. I'm sure he'd cook something up in those precious days where Sansa's fate is unknown just to maybe get her out of town, or at the very least try to plead for her life because he's a creep who wants to diddle a 12 year old princess. Varys, meanwhile, wouldn't dare let another Stark go after Ned got axed. Having an heir to Winterfell in his back pocket while he prepares for the invasion of Young Griff would be invaluable. I could see him blowing his cover early just to rescue her, smuggle her to the Disputed Lands, and chill with the Golden Company while he waits for things to get far enough along with Dany to warrant an invasion. Then, if things with Dany don't pan out and she doesn't deliver the dragons, he still has a rallying cry through Sansa to gather the North, Riverlands, and maybe the Vale to help fAegon split Westeros in half. Just marry fAegon to Sansa and reclaim two of those three kingdoms in her name.

[@manband20]

UPDATE: Just realized this is show canon. Quick revise. Varys would use Sansa as an ally for Dany to take over Westeros since she could secure the loyalty of 2/3 aforementioned Kingdoms. He would propose marrying her off to her cousin, Sweetrobin, not knowing just how much Littlefinger controls that family through Lysa. This would gove them control of the only untouched armies in Westeros. Insert conflict between the two factions during Dany's invasion here.

[@MilesY-gd4gi]

Could this lead to a possible partnership out of convince between Varys and Littlefinger?

[@Simon-A.-Tan]

Doesn't matter whether they'd "allow" it or not. They don't have some sort of limitless influence.

[@manband20]

@@Simon-A.-Tan Actually, they kinda do. Littlefinger could pay the bribes to get people to support Sansa in a trial (namely Meryn Trant since he'd look like an absolute idiot for letting Sansa Stark, a girl of 13, push the king to his death. Threaten to have him sent to The Wall if he doesn't say she slipped and just pay him for his silence. Varys has access to the Black Cells due to his undergaoler persona and uses it to whisk Tyrion away. He could easily get Sansa Stark out of there and on a ship before anybody notices. And even if they only want to have her imprisoned for a while, all they'd need to do is send a raven to Tywin saying "Joffrey's dead. Sansa's accused of murder. Cersei wants blood." and then have him write back saying they are not, under any circumstances, to let the girl die, which is the most logical thing to do since executing her means Jamie is probably dead. He'd send Tyrion off at breakneck pace to take over as Hand and maybe hold a trial in Tywin's absence. But that more than likely ends in a hung jury since there's only two witnesses: The Hound, who would want to protect her; and Ser Meryn, who can be threatened and bought. It's basically a matter of who gets Sansa out of the city first OR who can delay her execution the longest.

[@joshridinger3407]

@manband20 nah she's gonna die real quick. power is power.

[@nont18411]

Here's the thing. Sansa can't do this because the plot won't let it happen. People love to say that ASOIAF has no plot armor while in fact, it has no plot armor for House Stark. The first three books up until the red wedding, or Tywin's death, were plot armors galore for House Lannister. Everything aligned perfectly for them that it's so obvious Martin wanted them to win. - Sansa had a chance to kill Joffrey: She didn't do it. - Balon had a chance to attack Lannisport for political gain: Attacked Winterfell instead. - Robb was winning the war: Catelyn somehow released Jaime behind his back for no other logical reason than "motherly instinct" (and she had the audacity to blame Brienne for the red wedding). - Robb wanted Edmure not to attack the mountain: Miscommunication caused Edmure to attack the Mountain which caused Tywin to return to save King's Landing in time. - Walder Frey took the whole Robb not marrying his granddaughter as a personal slight that he launched the red wedding: Has zero issues with the Lannister looking down on them. - Oberyn was winning the duel against the mountain: Decided not to finish him off and yapping way too much that the Mountain got a chance to kill him.

[@angelmarie7010]

Oberyns’ death had me on the verge of throwing up 😭

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

Ned threatens to tell Robert the truth about the incest? Cersei's moronic plan of "let's have Lancel get the king drunker than usual, then hope he'll ditch his armed guard and go fight a wild beast alone and intoxicated" miraculously succeeds

[@tomidrac9719]

​@@evan-bunch-of-numbers Robert was bound to die soon due to his lifestyle of drinking and hunting and I'm sure this wasn't Cersei's first attempt either

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

@@tomidrac9719 how convenient that it happened just before Ned could expose her secret. Remember that in the small council everyone either knows or suspects the twincest, so if Ned told Robert, all of them sycophants would line up behind him with their findings or suspicions.

[@tomidrac9719]

@@evan-bunch-of-numbers sure it is convenient but how convenient is it that Ned finds "proof" of the twincest in a book about hair color. Would Robert even have believed Ned had he told him? He could very well just have gotten furious at Ned telling him to leave it and never bring it up again... The story is filled with plot elements that you can perceive as being convenient or "plot armor" just to drive the story forward

[@The_Custos]

Sandor's response: *I think I'm in love* 😍

[@rbfilms4752]

Do you think the Tyrells would still ally with the Lannisters in this scenario? Petyr Baelish could still try and negotiate a marriage between Margaery and Tommen but the Lannister position would seem MUCH more tenuous - Joffrey dies very quickly and Sansa's execution makes a peaceful settlement almost impossible by taking away their only leverage on the North, while also making Cersei's dysfunctional role in King's Landing very obvious. Petyr himself is also a wild card in this scenario: does he even still want to help the Lannisters with Sansa dead, or would he try and get in with another faction?

[@CristianMartinez-yc6pr]

He would probably head to the Starks.

[@Aaron_Guest]

@@rbfilms4752 I doubt they would, and I doubt Baelish would even try with Sansa being dead. I think Baelish would try to help the Starks in this scenario. (Though he'd get killed once they found out about his betrayal)

[@cloverazar5315]

Realistically, I see the Tyrells making the opposite play - they’d appeal to Robb Stark as a husband for Maegary. He’s a King in his own right and by all accounts a very competent one. He’s good looking, good with his bannermen, a resoundingly competent killer, and I’m sure Olenna’s spies would confirm Robb Stark loved his sisters, taught his younger brothers, was a gentleman to the ward and the family byblow, and he was a nice boy who Maegary could play pillow politics with. That also means that with the Reach coming north, the Riverlands coming sideways, and the North pushing south, the Lannisters are pinned west of the Golden Tooth. Robb, if he was smart, would have told Theon to ask Yara to get her crews and get to building boats using the timber from the Wolfswood. (Offer her the title of Lady of Seadragon Point). Then, while he’s harrying the Lannisters on land, have Yara sack Lannisport with her Northern Iron fleet. The Tyrells can offer winter wheat, millet and barley as dowry, and enough glass to build geothermal greenhouses from the Neck to North of the Wall. Honestly it’s a solid play

[@Aaron_Guest]

@cloverazar5315 Robb wouldn't have to off Yara anything to build ships. He was having White Harbor build ships, and could have ships being built on the Eastern coasts on his own.

[@cloverazar5315]

@ true, but white harbour is on the Eastern side of the North, near Bravos. Sea Dragon Point is on the Western side of the North, which wouldn’t be in competition with the Manderleys, but COULD push the Greyjoy and Lannisters. If you can have a bicoastal navy, why not?

[@corentinrichard9864]

Actually, Baristan was dismissed just before Neds death

[@secrom1014]

Luckily for whoever would have done the trial.

[@LucioRodriguez-m2b]

Joke what if: What if Tyrion was still a dwarf but had ungodly strength like a young Robert

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

I saw a joke what-if where it supposes Jaime trips and falls out of the tower after trying to push Bran

[@The_Custos]

​@@godemperorofmankind3.091ha! Bran holds on.

[@Mrccstar09]

Jaime falls, and Cersie clamors after him, trying to grab him and falls herself 😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@Mrccstar09 certainly, that would fix a lot of problems XD

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

@@The_Custos Cersei:"Help! Your son and my brother fell from the tower!" Ned:"what the fuck were your brother and my son doing in that tower"

[@totallynotfangirl8102]

Dany getting scorpioned to death bc Selmy wasn't there is the "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" of this channel. It happens every time and I love it

[@guillermocampos5607]

I like how this essentially prevented the Red Wedding which largely seems like a given in scenarios where Robb is named King in the North

[@Al3x2846]

Doesn’t Barristan get dismissed right before the thing with Joffrey?

[@DrownedInExile]

I think the Hound would have promptly killed Meryn, then named him as the traitorous kingslayer. The other Kingsguard were looking away after all.

[@abrahamedelstein4806]

3:01 "I didn't see s**t, must have slipped."

[@RodgerGarage]

Bariston was already gone. The hound vs the mountain in trial by combat would be epic.

[@srbu8650]

Thoroughly enjoyed your work. This shows the butterfly effect of small actions.

[@charlie-mia2410]

Thank you for doing this!! I feel like I requested this video so long ago now, and I’m so happy you finally did it! ❤❤

[@Ox9707]

So many timelines end with “death by scorpion.” It’s meme at this point 😂

[@neneninetails5803]

I like the idea of Arya having torn feelings about Sansa, she would feel saddened about the death but I wonder how it would effect her revenge lust. Would it die down seeing what happened to her sister or would of light a fire under her since Sansa’s sacrifice lead to the Starks having a massive advantage.

[@Boiling_Seas]

Ned Stark marched south because two of his family were murdered and another missing. Robb Stark doing the same sends a serious message throughout Westeros, while also legitimising his claim to secede. The Iron Throne betrayed house Stark twice in two generations, clearly the North would be better served by leaving. The fact they're actively defending the Riverlands also raises their profile.

[@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385]

Please give this a part 2. One thing i could see happening is Arya reuniting with Nymeria and her pack earlier in this timeline, with them all going back to Winterfell.

[@robinlucifer6095]

what if daemon had a son part 3

[@byro.]

yes plz finish this what if

[@hialoves7708]

Plz

[@wackjack5667]

Woody: *"Let him cook"*

[@ComradeQuestion091]

Just wannaremind everyonethe Daemon DID have a son (2 in fact) and he is the father of the Targaryen line that survived (thank all the gods for that) 😂

[@ifeeldead463]

Which one? Maegor (with Rhea) or Maekar (with Mysaria)?

[@CristianMartinez-yc6pr]

I think Stannis wins at the blackwater. Cersei and Tyrion would’ve fought over the wild fire and ultimately I think Cersei gets her way she is to ingrained into kings landing to allow Tyrion anything. I also think Janos slynt remains as commander of the gold cloaks. Cersei would see him as a pawn to be used against Tyrion

[@lunarlightasmr4660]

I always found the scene (both in the books and the show) where the hound tries to rescue Sansa and take her away from kings landing, and thus saving her to be cruelly ironic. Throughout much of the book (and show) up until that point, we hear how Sansa thinks and talk about how she fantasizes about a brave, strong knight saving her from evil, rescuing her and taking her away to safety like in all of the songs and stories. When *exactly that moment* finally comes, she turns away from it and doesn’t want it, because it’s not some hyper idealized, mythical beauty of a man. Really hits home the point we hear said to Sansa *a lot* in the book by many characters that real life isn’t like the songs and the stories. I always thought because of this, this scene between Sandor and Sansa is absolutely excellent in how it displays use of irony in the midst of tragedy.

[@LefikaPhiri]

What if Jon was made a legitimate son of Ned

[@IAmBillyBates]

I think this deserves a part 2

[@matheusdemello2323]

What if Stannis became King and married Cersei? Robert succumbed to his injuries after the Battle of the trident and died, making Stannis King and marrying Cersei. What if Robert had Stannis be Hand instead of Jon Arryn? What if *Part Two* to Robb & Myrcella? What if Gerold Hightower or Varys kill The Mad King while Jamie was at the Tower Of Joy? What if Jaime was at the Tower of Joy and Ned won against Jaime? What if Rhaelle Baratheon, the grandmother of Robert, Stannis & Renly was still alive during Robert’s Rebellion? What if Robert Baratheon has a Trueborn daughter by Cersei Lannister? What if the *Cordyceps* from *The Last Of Us* was in Westeros?

[@valyrian-eel]

Can you do a "What if Arya never escaped King's Landing?"

[@Alexander-e7t8y]

Good one.

[@Knight1029]

I absolutely love your what ifs. But I would love to see how these changes would effect further down the timeline.

[@brandonneider5028]

I feel like John story goes relatively same until he dies if Rob doesn’t die and wins I believe John would tell Rob and then just leave all together or if Danny dies the 3 dragons she has fly off and find John and Amon and Sam find out who he really is

[@jadenpitt7893]

This needs a part 2

[@torinjones3221]

If she had a think sansa wouldn't get any of the hate she does

[@artsifixial]

I love it how we call this type of video "What if" or "Theories" when they are clearly fanfiction

[@johnnydavis5896]

Robb killing Jamie would make everyone know Robb means business! If the Karstarks are firmly loyal - Bolton will not dare move against Robb.

[@crimsonECH1DNA]

So kind of a stray thought; I think the Purple Wedding (or rather the assination in the same timeframe) still occurs, only with Tommen being the victim. The assassination of Joffrey was a collaboration of Olena Tyrell and Little Finger. Olena because she didn't want Margaery to be abused and she considered Tommen to be more maeleable, and Little Finger to cause more chaos in the realm. It was all part of his long con scheme to enact his gross wife husbandry with Sansa Stark. With Sansa in this setting dead and Catelyn still very much alive, I see him reverting back to his original simping of trying to win over Catelyn. And what better way to cause chaos than to have the last of Robert's "heirs" assassinated, leaving a massive power vacuum. I could see him doing this without Olenna's support and because Cersei is Cersei, Tyrion would still be accused as the prime suspect.

[@ffc1a28c7]

Man, I really wish you'd take more from the books. This is touched on much better in them.

[@whitmerule2753]

Since it was probably Joffrey who ordered that Tyrion shouldn't survive the Battle of the Blackwater, it's very likely that we wouldn't have him so badly injured. He may possibly (or possibly not) have been in a better position to resist or undermine the version of events that Cersei told Tywin, and Tywin's carefully calculated stripping away of all Tyrion's influence and connections in King's Landing that he'd built up during season/book 2.

[@Itsthebluetit]

Omg I saw this idea on Reddit a few hours ago thx

[@Exaris79]

Would be funny if Sansa got the sun on her eyes and accidentally tripped and pushed Joffrey off but he survived and fully paral,yzed. Another way is that Sansa couldn't see again because the sun's in her eyes and backed up but when Joffrey moved too drag her into position whhle looking at Ned's head, he tripped&lost his balance. He was trying to grab a hold of Sansa but she wasn't there as the Hound got a hold of her. Joffrey was trying to stay on the platform and Sir Maron Tranz tried to save him but Joffrey's hand was a bit slippery and still continued to fall off the platform. Joffrey's not dead but can't talk and move at all as he's fully crippled. Joffrey would die several days later as the Maesters don't know how to heal him. Unfortunately Cersei's still in command behind the throne so she's still pissed off and maybe executes Sansa. The other knights saw that Joffrey fell off on his own as he wasn't looking where he was walking as he tried to grab Sansa into position. With the Hound being exiled and not to fight against Stannis' attack on the beach of the Black Water bay. Sir Barriston Selmi could still be dismissed as he tried to advise Cersei not to execute Sansa as he reminds her of Jaime is still a prisoner but Cersei still being pissed also dismisses him and instead resigns in protest of Sansa's execution. So Selmi still goes to Esos to serve Danaerys. The exiled Hound would try to find Arya since he actually knows what she looks like and plans to bring her to Robb Stark to change sides but also for gold. Obviously Tywin's pissed that Jaime got execited in retaliation for Sansa's death and let the Mountain loose to raid the riverlands. Since the Hound protected Arya on her way to the Northern army, Robb considered recruiting him since the Hound wanted to kill his brother. Robb tasks some ppl to help find the Mountain and help the Hound have his duel with his brother. Clegane won a fair fight since he knows of his brothers' weaknesses just didn't had the opportunity to fight him while he's in the Lannisters' army. With Tyrion being the Hand, he'd send more ppl to the Wall as he doesn't trust them especially as Cersei's more pissed and crazy. After finding out that Cersei got the alchemists to make new batch of wildfire, this reminds Tyrion to send the Mad King's very old stockpile of Wildfire to the Wall as he didn't want Cersei be tempted to use them. The older Wildfire are more unstable so it got diluted with sand&shaved wood to make it stable for transport. It's not that powerful compared to pure Wildfire but it's not like NitroGlycerinee that it will spontaneiously explode but making it like Dynamite just much more difficult to detonate. With Janos Slynt being sent to the Wall, he brought several dozen barrels of very old WildFire from the Mad Kings' stockpile that Tyrion had sent with him. There's still several hundred barrels of the old Wildfire barrels left from the stockpile in Kings Landing. Maester Aemon knowing how to make Wildfire and just got a large stockpile of diluted version of it, instructs the NightWatch to properly store it and how to alternatively use it too. Since it's very cold at the Wall, it's easier to store them&much more stable. So the NightsWatch would dip their swords into wildfire so that their blades have flames that can't be put out even if there's a blizzard. Also it's diluted enough that it won't melt their swords but the fire can be put out if the swords are buried under snow. So a spoon of wildfire mixed with diluted wine(water&alcohol) would be like a gallon of kerosine with higher wildfire resulting like gasoline. So Maester Aemon would get the Wall's staff to make grenades and molotov cocktails from the diluted wildfie making it very flammable and explosive depending on how much wildfire.

[@sadiewendt3255]

what if balerion was alive and healthy during the dance

[@Maegorthecrueltargaryen]

Viserys lives longer as he can benefit from dragon disease imunity

[@IsyssM-jh6fg]

Maybe Viserys develops a backbone of some kind

[@S3rp3nte]

What if Rhaegar won but Aerys still destroyed Kings's Landing? Specifically, what if Rhaegar still fought in the Battle of the Trident and defeated Robert and the rest of the rebellion? However, fearing that his son would try to deposed him, Aerys still decided to burn the capital with wildfire. This time, he made sure no one else besides Rossart knew of the plan. As a result, King's Landing was wiped out along with all the other characters who were in the city at the time. Note: Tywin was not in the city when it was destroyed since Rhaegar won. So he doesn't die.

[@Jaggaraz218]

Does some other channel post these same what if's, I'm almost certain I've heard that part word to word about Dany dying because Barristan doesn't stop the scorpion "unless Jorah stops it"?

[@Rougarou99]

Sansa’s role in Joffrey’s death would also lead Cersei to spiral into paranoia of Arya to an even greater degree than she had after Tyrion’s escape. I could see her isolating the city and instigating a citywide search for Arya, alienating the citizens of King’s Landing. She might even have Tyrion killed as soon as he reaches the city out of madness from her interpretation of the valonqar prophecy, perhaps even blaming him for the death of Jaime.

[@mlgfails2727]

I actually think the battle of black water could have gone very differently. The Lannister men would be very demoralised along side that fact so would Tyrion I don’t think he would be able to rise to the same caliber of leadership as before since their is no king that flees the battlefield or any king ever. I also wonder if Tyrion would even find the wild fire and if Cersei wouldn’t just out of anger command men loyal to her to hide some and try to use it as a way to prove herself right to her and Tyrion only for it to back fire and light parts of the wall on fire like Bronn predicted after it at first seeming to help and succeed. Which I think would only cause more damage and could lead to Blackwater being a victory for Stannis or even closer defeat where they manage to make their way inside. Adding on whether or not she gets a kings guard to try and kill Tyrion I can see Tyrion dying here or being more wounded in a harder fought battle. I also wonder what the Tyrell’s seek from their alliance as I doubt Margery could whisper in Tommens ear just as easily as before and obviously Cersei would be mad mama bear protective of her only son and child left in her arms at that point

[@dbilly121]

My only issue is that J'aqen was clearly not escaping as he had a mission along the way. Unless he was going to kill someone at the Wall, he'd escape himself during the trip.

[@Andrew2k18]

Yea for just wait until he got to the Wall and let out of his cage to escape. With his face changing skills he’d get away fairly easily

[@babyphoenix246]

What if Cersei was born a boy? She is often jealous of her brother and resentful of the restrictions put on her for being a woman so it would be cool to see how she would be different and Tywin wouldn't have a daughter to secure his possition with Robert after the rebellion.

[@zagreus5773]

That would turn her into a completely different character. So much of her personality revolves around her being born and raised female. The most likliest outcome of her being born male is that she would be simply a Jamie clone.

[@babyphoenix246]

@zagreus5773 maybe or maybe there would be a rivalry that wasn't there before with one being heir and the other a second son by a matter of minutes. Would male Cersei still massively overestimate their abilities? Because Jaime maybe cocky but he has the skill to back it up.

[@CyrodiilCome]

She would be more rational and probably a better person the end

[@hallef6236]

This is a season two moment, not a season one moment, but other than that, I absolutely adore your “what if” as always! ❤

[@hallef6236]

I also think your hottest take is that Barristan Selmy could defeat The Hound in combat!

[@Alexander-e7t8y]

No, it's episode 1x10.

[@hallef6236]

My bad 🫣

[@phil.moloney2980]

When part 2 with Meakor Waters because I'm curious of the impact Meakor would make in the dance and if he does claim the Cannibal.

[@TheTonyMcD]

The only problem I have here, I don't think Sansa ever would have intended in that moment to merely push him. She was going to jump onto him at full force and go down with him. She had no desire left to live in that moment.

[@jerome96114]

I think Tywin wouldn't send Tyrion back alone. The moment he hears of Sansa's and Jamie's deaths, he'd return to Kings Landing, to take control himself and give Cercei an asswhooping. - If for whatever reason he didn't, Stannis wins, given de facto her would still be in control.

[@nelsonchereta816]

"You are my son." If Jaime is dead, Tywin suddenly has to take Tyrion seriously as his heir. He'd absolutely hate it, but he'd formally name Tyrion heir and arrange a proper marriage for him. He's also marry off Cersei to Loras as quick as possible to get her away from Tommen.

[@doragonsureia7288]

This is an extremely cool timeline (if it goes the way you described it), but Yoren would arrive at castle black while most of them are north of the wall searching for Benjen. So Jon is somewhere with the wildlings when Gendry is trained. Pros: Joffrey dies earlier, Sansa dies (i hate her, one of the worst characters), Robb surviving, Starks having a chance to win, no red wedding, Aria reuniting with family, Theon staying loyal, gendry taking the black Cons: Aria not becoming assassin, Jaimey dies early, ... i can't think of anything else

[@calebhendricks1375]

Ya i dont think jaquen is staying at the watch, like sure he might stick around a bit but i seriously doubt he is gonna just stay there

[@Andrew2k18]

Yeah he’s got things to do and people to kill in Old Town.

[@ph89787]

What if Meraxes and Rhaenys weren’t shot down?

[@ifeeldead463]

She and Aegon would have more children, so Aenys marries a sister rather than Alyssa Velaryon. Heck, chances are Alyssa might marry Maegor or maybe Maegor marries another sister. Rhaenys wouldve helped her son become more politically savvy and decisive, as politices and PR seem to be her strong suits. So Aenys would be making better decisions here.

[@shemarallison3474]

May have not even gotten Maegor 😊

[@cloverazar5315]

Honestly the logical solution at this point is that if Sansa is murdered by Cersei, Robb ought to send a cheeky lil letter over to Danaerys being like, “so how about them Lannisters, eh?”

[@johnnydavis5896]

Cersei in such a insane state is going to try to have Tyrion murdered. But Tyrion would realize this probably. So one of them dies soon.

[@genesys7266]

What if Prince Balon (Viserys I’s son) survived in HOTD

[@Dcarej1]

He did make one! scroll back on his vids till a year ago!

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

he becomes unopposed king for a lifetime. Presuming of course he has sons of his own

[@RenzSLV]

What if, during the the battle of black water, Tywin was afew minutes late to enter the throne room and Cersei and Tomen had already drank the poison and died

[@Chinchilla2310]

I’d like to think the Vale would be compelled to help the North after Sansa’s execution. Out of love for Cat, I’m sure Littlefinger would’ve done everything in his manipulative power to help her and further win her over.

[@Alexander-e7t8y]

What if the High Sparrow stayed in power past season 6? What if Cersei was captured by the Starks, instead of Jaime? What if Ramsay met Daenerys, instead of Jon?

[@zelouskight24]

What if the Starks raised Direwolves like the Targariens raised dragons? So instead of a southern warhound the enemies would see packs of Direwolves moving like light calvary. Each branch of the family having a pack. (You could just make it that the animal bannered families care for a group of the animal on their banner. So the Lanesters would have a pride of lions.

[@simonpierre8283]

What if Robb joind Stannis What if Vale joind Robb What if Aemond killed Dameond What if rhaenrya went to rooks rest What if balon joind Robb part 2 What if Viserys survied and invaded westeros with dohraki What if Aegon wasnt imjured. What if jon accepted Stannis offer What if Jaime never joind kingsguard. What if Edmure tully killed mountain

[@Jakeisvibeing]

If Robb gets the vale early enough it’s over for Tywin

[@sandyberger-r9j]

Cersei would have done unimaginable things if Sansa had managed to kill her darling boy.

[@TheCmascagni]

Selmy was already excused before this incident on tv show. (I think)

[@7deEspadas]

At that stage, Sansa couldn't lie for shit, the truth would be discovered in no time

[@johnnydavis5896]

Seriously, almost anyone might turn in alliance with the Lannisters' many enemies.

[@klyanadkmorr]

Sandor would save Sansa from Merin and kill him because he hated him and then just take her to be tried in court and make up something happened to all of them on the crosswalk and Merin fell on his sword to explain the gut blow. He's a knight honorable not as much as Jamie or Brianne but Sansa is a WEAK INNOCENT

[@darkphoenix3347]

What if blood and cheese killed jaehaera instead? What if visenya was birn healthy? What if rhaenyra married willem blackwood

[@VersieKilgannon]

What if Sansa had actually been married to Joffrey soon after Ned's death? I'm imagining the key factor would be Tywin pushing for it to happen in order to tie up that loose end and definitely secure some sort of claim to Winterfell

[@clairemercer3099]

Would this be the universe where Tywin apologises to Tyrion? Since he's the only competent child left.

[@katiedanner1]

I thought one of the only reasons that Gindry was trying to go to the Night's Watch was because all the other bastards were killed and he needed to get out of there, so if that doesn't happen why is he going to the Night's Watch?

[@Jaggaraz218]

Wait if Joffrey doesn't start killing Robert's bastards then Gendry doesn't even leave Kings landing

[@fabec93]

feels like Hodor would never be a thing in this portrayed alternative reality... :(

[@korx9635]

You should do: “What if Rhaenyra married Gwayne Hightower”

[@Mysteri0usChannel]

I don't think Sansa would get killed. For one, Meryn would not want to admit that a little girl killed the king he was tasked to protect right under his eyes - if I admitted to this, he'd probably get executed as well. The other thing is, Varys and Littlefinger would just straight up refuse to let this happen, for... "tactical reasons". They need Sansa as a tool.

[@Hillsiding]

it's been 3 months. still no "what if daemon had a son" part 3😢

[@MermaidEssence]

You’re very good at this, doubt you’ll see this but write your own book. I’d read it.

[@juaniavila181]

Sansa Stark The Kingslayer

[@johnnydavis5896]

Or Theon mans up and he arranges for his father's death instead of waiting for his uncle to do it!

[@johnnydavis5896]

A girl killed the King would really look weak for the Lions!

[@spencerpollock5688]

What if Maelys the monstrous survived the blackfyer rebellion or his son how could be played by Ian McKellen for your what if

[@dellavonta187]

Need a part 2

[@FunkyNorthman]

Part 2? :)

[@SoldierSpiderx]

let be real Joffrey was coward king, yea he had the ball to be a fearful king but he had no backbone so if Sansa want to, she could have beat his ass and bully him but know cersei those, she would have her killed but what happened if those after they kill her dead ned, if I was Sansa, I would be plan his death, yea she may died but if Joffrey died alot shit would be avoid but one thing that won't it his brother will still stay over but if she had killed him much early in the season, the show would be different

[@WickedCool23]

What if Bittersteel and Bloodraven were at the Wall together?

[@ratgirl34]

If she chose Robb for her champion, would they have to let the whole army through? 😂 Checkmate Lannisters!

[@terryjohnson5579]

With Joffrey dead tommen take the throne and he was not a military king between that and Tywin losing to Robb early in the field I imagine they sue for peace. However there is a good chance Cersei has her killed.

[@cdcdrr]

I think Selmy will still end up being dismissed. He was dismissed for failing to protect Robert, but the real reason was to make room for one of Cersei's stooges. With her losing her son earlier, she might be even more insistent he's dismissed for failing to protect Jofrey, despite him not even being there when it happened. And while it has been ruled out, if Sansa did opt for a trial by combat - possibly at the urging of the Hound, who stuck his neck out for her - there's a very clear cut outcome. While Selmy is a natural choice for Cersei's champion, if he's already been dismissed, that shrinks to pool of kingsguards who could do so. They are the ones naturally chosen for trials by combat involving the life and honour of the royal family. With the Hound having staked his reputation on Sansa's innocense, he's out of the question as Cersei's champion. But he's the only one present who would risk his life in a trial by combat for Sansa, because her guilt would carry over on him. Sandor doesn't have much choice but to fight. And that means he wins. While most of the remaining kingsguard are already worse than Barristan Selmy, their lack of testimony leaves them mostly neutral in this trial. But Merryn Trant is the only one directly disputing Sandor's claims that Jofrey fell. The entire arguement of Sansa's guilt hangs on his word. He would practically be bound by honour to represent Cersei as her champion. And while he's probably the worst pick of the bunch, Cersei isn't known for making smart decisions. Especially after Jofrey's death. Sandor would completely demolish an opponent like Trant, clearing his and Sansa's name in the eyes of gods and men. But not in the eyes of Cersei, of course. While she might have no legal recourse left to her, Sansa and the Hound would have to leave immediately before she can come up with a scheme to have them killed. And Sandor would likely return her to Robb. With Arya and Sansa back, Catelyn is not pushed into recklessly releasing Jaime. Lord Karstark does not kill the Lannister squires, and Robb retains his forces. But even with Jaime's life being spared, the Lannisters are still in freefall and Cersei's paranoia is at its peak, while Tyrion is still mostly level-headed. The War of Five Kings now remains a free-for-all.

[@dr.lahlahroo4751]

I very much prefer your outcome to this what if scenario. It made no sense for Sandor to lie in defense of Sansa, only to have her eventually executed and the Hound simply dismissed. It was his word against that of Trant's. If Sansa would be killed because Cersei believed Trant's account, then Sandor would likely be questioned as well for possibly conspiring with Sansa. So it made more sense for him to insist that she opt for a trial by combat.

[@jjosifovic]

A Great what if.

[@alphik26]

but what is jaquen doing in westoros in the first place was he sent to kill someone in the watch??????

[@Andrew2k18]

Most theories say he got captured on purpose to kill Ned on the way to the Wall. If he got to the Wall I’m sure he’d escape pretty easily. He’d probably kill a local guy near the wall and take his face as a disguise (maybe the old guy with the horses)

[@magister343]

Why assume that Joffrey would die if pushed? Bran didn't. Maybe Joffrey would end up a quadriplegic.

[@MartialArtsForY]

What if Robb captured Joffrey in the whispering wood instead of Jamie?

[@johnnydavis5896]

How about the Hound kills Meryn right after the push and he tells the guards Meryn pushed Joffrey and the Hound was trying to stop him!

[@tobeywankenobi03]

What if Bran never told Jon the truth about himself?

[@SwissCheeze5567]

There’s still 0 reason for Theon to not go to the iron islands, the entire point of his character is that he’s a rat before he becomes reek and that’s his redemption, so just not having any of tht happen is a disservice to the story telling

[@crimsonECH1DNA]

I think the logic in this specific setting is he's seen Robb's army not only defeat and captured the guy lauded as the greatest swordsman in the realm, but also execute him. Just the little domino effect that that was the last impression he's seen of Robb so Balon's rant about Robb just being a boy playing at war would likely have less of an effect since Theon knows Robb is actually playing for keeps.