What is "Big Eva?"

[@josettedc703]

So sad that some of the men I revered when I was transitioning from the prosperity gospel to reformed are also into another gospel. Thank you for your work of exposing them Jon. May the Lord continue to bless your ministry and family!

[@sueanngarbarino-kelcher1321]

The Lord keeps his people.☺️

[@Lin-gv3fi]

We experienced this in our church. Because my husband is bold in truth. They asked, “who is our authority?”. We were accused of dividing the church. It’s worth it all following Christ and His Word alone. Count the cost 🙏🏼

[@chrstfllwr1]

Those who stand for the truth are always called divisive. This is the MO of liberals in the church. Nicely infiltrate and then accuse the orthodox of creating disunity. You are not alone.

[@Lin-gv3fi]

@@chrstfllwr1 Amen, thank you

[@peterheroux8239]

“First, there will be a great falling away” “The love of many will grow cold.” You ARE definitely an expert. I’ve learned more from your podcast than any other teacher in my 35 years of walking with Jesus. Keep the Faith!

[@patriciagrant6687]

God Bless you Jon💯

[@libbysteimel8201]

This was useful information. Beyond anything, get into the Word and stick like glue, pleading daily for the help of the Holy Spirit , crying out in confession and intercession and gratitude to the Triune God.

[@stevenswaim4240]

One thing you might think about is doing some live streaming with groups. Will keep the wear and tear down on you vehicle and you person. And as always, speaking from experience, wives love it when we dear husbands are home more than away. Praying for you man!

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Good idea

[@RepentfollowJesus]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast but us Christian wives understand when our husbands must go and do the work God has set before them.

[@davidchilton4301]

Really good analysis, Jon. Campus Crusade's tagline under Bill Bright was "Come help change the world". When your starting point is social impact and not the gospel itself, the foundation is laid for trouble down the road.

[@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485]

Good point

[@aslan2709]

Let’s not read heretical or misguided intentions into everything. This tagline was not a reference to social impact, it was a call to advance the gospel to the nations through discipleship. Will this change the world? Yes it will. Should that be the motive? Yes it should.

[@davidchilton4301]

@@aslan2709 Not to be argumentative but I spent 20 years on CCC staff and the view from the inside was change the world, particularly when Dr. Bright spoke. To God's glory? Absolutely. But the end of social change was ever before us.

[@Joey-fq5rr]

Thank you so much for the work that you have put into this. You did a great job at describing the concept of Big Eva and I feel more informed now. Over the last couple years, I have slowly stumbled into New Right circles and regained my libertarian roots along the way. After much reading and research, I have become convinced that many of the large institutions in America have been captured/are products of Woodrow Wilson's progressive era. The universities, journalism, the federal government, pharmaceutical industry, military industrial complex, tech sector. All these institutions are talking in circles to one another, giving each other accreditation, living in massive bubbles while us rubes are below their ivory towers living in the real world, at the mercy of their "brilliant" ideas. I didn't believe, or rather I didn't think that there could be even such a thing as Big Eva, but the back of my mind I recognized that something was up. The Jargon, the same favorite pastors, the pernicious pull to leftism- why was everyone talking about the same thing at the same time? This video showed me that I'm not crazy, that Big Eva really is this overarching superstructure and I think your prediction of where it is heading is very accurate. It's fall is around the corner and it'll surprise a lot of people. Once again, thanks for the great video and God bless.

[@lisazappala4381]

I just came across this by mistake but I realize that God doesn’t make mistakes. I’m so thankful for this information so I can pray and share this info with others who are being deceived

[@dubyag4124]

Big Eva: #1 Free from accountability to the local church, the Body of Christ #2 Practice: Pragmatism, and man's wisdom, and smooth words/winsome #3 Does not accept the biblical truth that the gospel will be repugnant to most (2 Cor 2:16) #4 Fears man more than God

[@hammerbarca6]

Great summary

[@CJinsoo]

you left out being incapable of thinking beyond the superficial, but I suppose that goes with people pleasing

[@strawberrycoughdrops7650]

I thought Big Eva was talking about evolution

[@MumT05]

My "ex" church gives food boxes a plenty, all processed garbage by the way, as well as back to school supplies, coats,etc to a local school for the families considered on the poverty line. But they do not include tracts, or scripture, nothing about Christ and His gift to us. The church uses a lot of man hours and space for this ' ministry'. However the Judgment House plays we used to do to tell the gospel have been cancelled. When I started an outreach ambassador group to go into the parks and hand out tracts, offer Christ to the lost all those who stack boxes, fill shelves, organize food drives were too busy. They were aghast at the idea, not qualified, ... So they fill bellies with garbage, give basic supplies so that families can spend their money on luxuries like alcohol, drugs etc and allow these people to in earthly comforts slide, fall, descend into hell. It makes me so angry, but if I was asked for an example of what's wrong with the social gospel, this would be my example.

[@Richardcontramundum]

I live in Kentucky! Planning on being there!!

[@Jbw7]

29:00 I've seen this a lot. It is called "newbies who strongly want to be climbers to rise in influence, power, name-dropping, getting published and distributed through the powerful evangelical subculture guild(s)". Some call it a parody of the Military-Industrial Complex, e.g. the Evangelical Publication Complex (you call it an intended or unintended 'guild'). I've heard of it having three large legs. One out west with Saddleback, one formerly in the MidWest around Willow Creek, and one out east around Northpoint in Georgia. But it can also coalesce around your alma mater evangelical seminary or favorite professor and all of his/her publications and public associations and political allies because you are a fan, a devotee, a loyalty-first follower. Where self-interest in marketing music, books, classes, courses, seminars, symposia, conferences-together, the draw toward not-making-waves by writing, speaking, singing, doing subject matter outside the approved subculture, just becomes a form of polite, evangelical worldliness. Where it actually colludes to cover-up heresy, heterodoxy, immorality, ... it can be part of systemic evil. But not in the systemic-approved ways to describe and discuss issues. E.g. it isn't so much about gender-correctness, levels of melanin, or about USA subcultures and markets. It is WWJD where you substitute "K-Love-approved" for the J, or SB Convention approved for the J. Or Progressive Christian approved or Sojourner approved.... You seem to be focusing upon the woke-"orthodoxy" or virtue signaling to such as a guild that cuts through or seeks to influence all the above and more. I see this with varying degrees of drifted-disarmed, distinctive-losing, worldly effectiveness. The CCP feigns to be concerned about the USA human rights violations and the USA's lack of racial and gender diversity. The CCP is phony in this as they aren't even in the same universe about such issues. They are not struggling with evangelical worldliness, but they are employing similar tactics in a similarly fake and subversive manner. There are people with deep pockets who do cancel conservative evangelical posts in social media. And the PRC and CCP also have very vested interests in those cancellations. Some theocratic Middle East groups like some Marxist and Communist groups are not seeking a reformation or improvement or godly change but rather are seeking full anarchy/destruction as "Revolution 1.0". Then the 2.0 agenda will be the "duking-it-out for who gets to take the most power from the ashes of what is left. For these, and for some if not many of the woke, it has nothing to do with truth or morality or humanity. It has everything to do with obtaining and expanding power. Sorry a bit long.

[@Hi8862]

Yes! Bill Hybels, Willow Creek Church and The Contagious Christian is where I first noticed this drift.

[@fredbutler5358]

The Q&A in question happened in 2019 ShepCon. If I recall, I thought it was Mark Dever who said something smug in response to a question from Phil that was like, "You mean like Big Eva?"

[@dk7366]

How cool. I’m in southern Indiana I’ll definitely be there.

[@darrellpowell4331]

I think Al M. needs to read his own book he put together on the history of Southern.

[@thomashemeon2069]

Clearest explanation about Big Eva I’ve heard…well balanced…Thank you Jon!

[@tedkijeski339]

Thanks for clarifying this, Jon. All this time, I was thinking Big Eva was my next-door neighbor when I was a kid. I was wondering what everybody's problem was with her.

[@gregb6469]

For those who are thinking of going to that meeting in January Jon mentioned, Shelbyville is halfway between Louisville and Frankfort.

[@karricompton]

We unfortunately don’t live anywhere near there, but if we did, my husband would be there in a hot minute.

[@andre-philippetherrien2185]

Thank you for your work and your insights.

[@Wood424]

Jon, the start of Fuller Seminary demise was Professors signing Doctrinal statements affirming biblical inerrancy and teaching the exact opposite in the classroom. Abandoning Gods compass they sailed completely off course. Very good presentation! I doubt very seriously you or AD will be invited to sit at the big table😂. Would you consider these splinter groups and loose coalitions a good thing, a positive thing?

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Both good and bad things associated with splintering. Probably, mostly good.

[@impish22]

The title caught me.. thanks.. hope it answers the question for me.. ; )

[@misseva7404]

As a woman named Eva, I cannot tell you how much I hate this term. (I really like and appreciate you, though! It's just a mortifying coincidence that my name got repurposed!)

[@Whatisthematterwithyoupeople]

Yep but also…How do u think Brandon feels?

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Lol, I'm so sorry. I won't tell you what they called the bathroom in Boy Scouts, but it sounds a lot like Jon!

[@Tmcgraw79q]

Hey at least your name isn't Karen

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

Just stay in good shape Ms Eva, so no one thinks you're the one being addressed ha

[@lizaw.7313]

You and everyone named Karen and Brandon😉

[@ronlanter6906]

Great opening!

[@katherinecornette5315]

For so many years they pushed Beth Moore, Tim Keller, etc studies in SBC churches. I chose to serve and teach their children which kept me focused on the Bible. I saw a change, a hero worship happening and was thankful I kept focused on God’s Word. But I was fooled by JD Greear. We spent 7 years in Summit Church and am actually thankful for your & AD’s podcasts. The Social Justice gospel is a cancer in the church.

[@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454]

Here is a link to the Phil vs Al Mohler video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4SuonqHfs1phJo

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Thanks!

[@hammerbarca6]

Here’s a few more common phrases: “Jesus identified with the… [fill in the social justice category]” or “marginalized and oppressed” “Laying aside your rights” “Showing solidarity”

[@TwinRiver100]

where do the black denomination churches stand in this hodgepodge of a church cosmos scenario thing you're describing alignment wise?

[@fayefayelou4093]

@:25, at first, I could have sworn Platt said, "as a woman-pastor..." 😬🤣

[@jamesirvin7799]

👍

[@Richardcontramundum]

21:00 little Eva! That's funny and kinda cute. Totally know what you mean, just sounds funny

[@mittengrandma807]

Can women attend as well? I think women would greatly benefit from this information. Many women know certain teachings are off, especially from women teachers, but can’t put their finger on it. Other women know, but don’t know how to combat it.

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

I think this particular event is a men’s group- but every other place I’ve spoken and have scheduled is both men and women.

[@chrish5791]

At the rate those we once trusting to rightly divide the Word of God are racing to delusion of the Adversary it would seem that we are in the end times. The apostasy, the slipping away into Marxism, and other ways of man being substituted for the ways of God seems to be growing ever more complete. It’s time for us to look up as our redemption draws nigh. Thank you Jon for your faithfulness to God and His Word.

[@audiethacker907]

Is registration open yet for the War Room in January? I checked the church's site, but didn't see anything about it there.

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Not sure. Probably would need to email them.

[@meghoughton562]

Janet Mefferd always talks about "Big Eva" (and even "Big Gay") as well...

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Perhaps she coined it. Idk. She went after Mark Driscoll before it was cool to do so and kind of got shunned from Big Eva.

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

"they have the big gay" sounds like something the KZbinr MauLer would say in one of his movie critic videos

[@Flavioftac]

What is the name of that website where you can check false teachers?

[@gregb6469]

Where do the Reconstructionists [Rushdoony, Bahnsen, Chilton, North, DeMar, Boot, et al] fit into this picture?

[@gtolose]

Always strikes me as a concern that the church operates just like work or the social club or whatever, with an inner core, the leaders, the management, a surrounding ring of "hangers on" and social climbers and the periphery who pay the bills and must be kept under control. Every church and every organisation work like this, but for me why doesn't the Holy Spirit make all the difference. We have this supernatural help yet we look like everyone else? riven with rivalry and cleeks is the Holy Spirit not really decisive in how the church works? Am I expecting too much.

[@Mary_Kraensel]

You're not expecting too much. THEY expect too little.

[@sallylara1102]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@CJinsoo]

Like the titles and the insights but consider shortening the videos or time stamping. Long videos where the discussion wanders are one of the main reasons printed word is superior, as you have to be more concise and to the point.

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Eric mason needs to worry about giving reparations to the beef industry, because he’s killing some serious hamburgers

[@shellymedley6795]

So many churches look exactly like the world….you don’t hear about the devil or hell because it depresses people. If hearing about it causes pain think what eternity there will feel like.

[@johntobey1558]

There are Christian Psychologists who are part of the APA. As Christiams we do not need to shy away from discovering of Behavioral Science, Neurology, aCognitive NeuroScientist and Family Psychotherapy. Both and, not either or.

[@johntobey1558]

Kingdom.

[@robertlewis6915]

I'd tone down the music volume- it's just barely below the 'I-can't-tell-what-you're-saying' level.

[@briancasey4917]

Simple way to identify Big Eva is watch for Big Ego.

[@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_King]

Who was your preaching professor?

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Jacumin

[@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_King]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast He's been at Bayleaf and Cary and was at SEBTS after my first time there. Really connected. I did not know he was adjunct.

[@ctvtmo]

Is "Little Eva" just as compromised as "Big Eva"?

[@anthonyfava9367]

It's not just membership/access to the guild which deters pastors from addressing it, but the congregants themselves too. Too many voted for Biden, accept CRT to some capacity or have some embrace of feminism.

[@firstnamelastname4244]

Music is too loud. (I'd rather hear you clearly than having the background music drown you out).

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

The new guild will also fall short, so I won't be joining the new guild. The heart of the perseverance of the Church will be those who, if men like them had been involved during the past twenty years, Big Eva never would have had opportunity to pretend to be Christian while also openly proclaiming the Spirit Of Wokeness. Those better men will minister spiritual correction to the new guild and hopefully the new guild will accept the offer of edification and not be stiff necked against the Holy Gust. The new guild will need this help, because the new guild is forming of those good men who have stood by and have let evil happen, and while on the surface they are learning their lessons, and I sincerely appreciate that, I also see zero indication that the spiritual root of the problem is even on their radar. Let us turn our hearts to submit to Jesus thoroughly and spiritually and without letting our traditions and our cultures fog our judgement. Let's let God's discernment fog our cultures and traditions, let's keep those cultures and traditions but let them also become less so that Jesus becomes greater, and so do not let our cultures and traditions fog our agreement with Jesus. Let us be conformed to the mind of Christ, conformed to the image of His Son, progressively being sanctified from faith to faith and so from glory to glory; let us take hold of that eternal life which we have correctly confessed to have been given; in the name of the God who makes us alive and in the name of Jesus who is alone Worthy, being made confident by the Gust and the water and the blood, let us be transformed deeply. Only if we are ready to die without hesitation are we then ready to minister the Gospel with power, and only then will our proclamations sound authentic. Let us gather at the gates of murder mills so that none shall ever pass those doors again. Let us live as if we believe Jesus is alive. Amen.

[@BC-qb2if]

Would Rick Warren also be part of Big Eva?

[@darrellpowell4331]

I think he was an early Big Eva but wasn't reformed so was not accepted

[@BC-qb2if]

A follow on question to everyone. Rick Warren is Billy Graham's true "anointed" successor. Doors were opened to Rick. How was he shunned away when the EIC when it was a creation of Billy Graham and the founders of Fuller Seminary? Neo Evangelicalism did a job of minimizing fundamentalism.

[@5solaspress]

Men of Christ! Register for the January 29 Reformation War Room here: 5solaspress.regfox.com/warroom5

[@johntobey1558]

Fundamentalism..Read Os Guiness 's Fit Bodies , Fat Minds. This is a book that addresses these tendencies. He was discipled by John Stott in London, United

[@Scottiepups]

Wow!!!

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

Big Eva is basically the "cool kids"

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Nah, we're the cool kids now.

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

Reminds me of the satirical song by the same name that went viral a while ago

[@johntobey1558]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast we can look to other leaders like: Walt Kaiser, Gordon Hugenberger, Carl Trueman, Alistair Begg, Dennis Hollinger, Pablo Polischuk, Diane Langberg, Phil Monroe, other faculty at Misseo Seminary in Philadelphia.

[@johntobey1558]

When are you going to come to Philadelphia. There are many Orthodox Presbyterian and PCA churches in the Presbyteries just north of the City in Bucks County and the Lehigh Valley clear up to Allentown, Pa that are wrestling through the issues of the Social Gosoel which back in 1915 and 1917 created the need fir their denominations to come out of the United Presbyterian Church which later became the PC USA. Your ministry is heard amd digested by many. Please know tgat the , "sword and trowel " types who regularly attended the Philadelphia Convention of Reformed Theology. Keep raising the f I re brand high for accurate, historic doctrine.

[@beautifuldreamer6247]

Hi. Delco, PA resident here. Sadly, in the last few years I have discovered that my kids’ very prominent Christian school has gone woke. We have been looking for a new evangelical church as our old one also went woke. Baptist, PCA, etc all seem like dead ends. Trying to find like-minded believers and these days I seem to have more in common with conservative RC. Resorting to KZbin.

[@EasyRyno]

Jon, I wonder if BigEva is best encompassed with understanding the myth of liberalism or pluralism that believes this is a shared value with the world that is possible without God on everyone’s thrown. My hypothesis is that the Christian Worldview is the only one that allows for pluralism because it’s the only worldview that does not presently punish infidels. I believe BigEva is enchanted with the myth of pluralism outside a Christian Worldview. They fundamentally don’t understand that the competing worldviews/religions will ultimately come for them as infidels. And so they naively move God off the thrown of certain aspects of culture and society. So they become false prophets saying their is “peace peace” in pluralism that is only offered with God on the thrown.

[@CLJorgie]

So basically you are describing the Emergent church.

[@hokieham]

That’s what I thought too.

[@johntobey1558]

Carl F.Henry helped bring the Evangelicals out of their limited and local

[@jerryhenson4395]

I think the Big Eva guys kind of fancy themselves like the College of Cardinals or the LDS general authorities. I'm not saying they preach a false gospel or cultic theology, but they want to be the gatekeepers of the Evangelical movement.

[@darrellpowell4331]

hmmmmm

[@araiasunshine4482]

ZESTY! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DannySlavich]

Folks are doing what you’re warning against with your videos, Jon. You referenced a tweet of mine a few months ago. I had someone I don’t know call me and rebuke me and call me to repent. He hadn’t read the context of the tweet or searched our any information other than your video. That seems pretty toxic to me.

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

No clue what your talking about brother. Feel free to email me and if I made a mistake on something I’ll make a retraction. [e-mail] Pretty sure that’s not something common in “Big Eva” :)

[@HelenOconnell-c9q]

All social justice is not bad. We certainly dont need social injustice. I try to go by what the bible says and jesus. We need to save souls and worry less about political issues and financial prosperity. It would be so sad to lose souls by leading with politics .

[@Wahhhhhhhh-hhh]

"Stand against social justice" sounds like you don't care about people or their rights. Come at me with your authoritarianism you will face defence

[@mriconoclast13]

If you really want to do a video on a topic nobody is talking about, I'll tell you about "big missions", another cash and power hungry group which stays mostly out of direct sight and accountability of both denominations and the local church.) (P.S. I am on the mission-field where I have been with my family for more than 10 years. Would love to share my experiences if you are ever interested)

[@johntobey1558]

World Magazine is conservative, and Reformed University Fellowship are good alternatives. But, your descriptions of Wheaton College is unfair. I attended that university in 1988 and 1992. While Ron Sider did speak in Chapel there were thinkers from many points of view speaking. There were fundamentalists and progressive both studying there.

[@jonathanfarris6939]

Jesus wasn't mentioned much, if at all! --sad!

[@lorainabogado]

Don’t worry 😉 - we don’t want to be like Jon

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Good- be like Jesus!