Is David Platt a False Teacher?

[@daraharvey4519]

Platt has a passionate following, fans who cannot seem to abide anything remotely negative being said about him. I wonder if that in itself is a red flag. We need to be loyal to Christ alone. Anyone else is capable of false teaching and other sins. When a human being is put on the kind of pedestal only Jesus should have, there is a problem. They aren’t following the true Gospel but something else. And it’s interesting how little evidence of racism is needed for the accusation to stick, yet to get out from under the accusation is impossible. CRT is insidious not only for being wrong and unfair, but it seeks to dethrone God as the judge of sin. It makes little Pharisees out of everyone.

[@aztec0112]

It's the same thing down here with the Ed Young/Robert Morris cultists

[@conceptualclarity]

Very well said, Dara

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

It is the same thing with Calvin. The idolizing of even great men like Calvin leads to much mischief. Semper reformanda has thus become a joke. Note: idolatry is NOT the same as worship. Note also this is NOT a criticism of Calvin; only the attitude thinking he could not be wrong.

[@belindadixon7861]

Amen!

[@jackuber7358]

I have run into this phenomenon of late in which fellow Christians wish to correct me when I say things like "unrepentance to God Almighty will condemn the [homosexual | unbeliever | Muslim | Budist] to an eternity of punishment and suffering." They are quick to say that we must love them, seeming to negate my previous statement or even ignore it. I always respond with something like "of course you must love them but that love compels us to tell the truth and warn them of their imminent danger. And, weirdly this response sometimes elicits a look of disapproval and even a head shake as one gives another, when they are just not getting it. Are, we not to tell God's truth to dying people with the hope that one or more may repent and turn to Christ. Is that not the greatest act of love, to share Christ's Gospel? Maranatha!

[@redflame4558]

@@robinette64 I guess you think judging people is gonna get them saved, then, huh? Certain things belong only to the Lord. Things like judgement for sin & vengeance, belong solely to the Lord. HOWEVER, that does not mean you have to "throw the baby out with the bathwater." You MAY use "discernment." It is technically a form of judgment. Just not in the context we are speaking of here. Like, a Christian may interact w/ someone gay in a manner which shines light on the Lord & the word, instead of pushing people away from it. It's all in how you treat people. Christians are also supposed to walk in the light & be examples... *beacons* even. We don't use judgement fairly enough & people weigh certain sins differently based on the same Bible. That is PRECISELY why we are just supposed to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, *above all else.* The Lord has reasons. I'm sure some are the more obvious ones, too... lol But, we do not know the mystery of how the Lord works or how he reserves or hands out punishment. So, in society, we don't have an excuse to treat people any way but politely & courteously, when we see them at the store. Whether it's a gay couple, a foreigner visiting your land or immigrant, or someone you don't share political ideology with. You don't have to go out to dinner. But, you don't have to show the mean spirit w/in you, either... like, making comments to them regarding something about them that different or about something you perceive to be a sin. Even if it definitely is a sin, treat them well. The grocery store doesn't have a side hustle featuring debates, w/public participation for free & judgements handed out every every Tues w/ the sale ads. Quit harassing people in public & turning them away from the word forever. & if they're "tfg" (too far gone), you're now performing a meaningless task. Way to go. We gotta THINK & use common sense

[@longstreet2740]

@@robinette64 I Agree

[@longstreet2740]

@@redflame4558 How many times have you heard someone whine, "Judge not, that ye be not judged?" This verse of Scripture from Matthew 7:1 is often quoted out of context by people who are terrified at the idea of someone preaching against sin or pointing out any form of error in anyone, especially in themselves. As I stood in a voting line one day I overheard a woman justifying her foolish choice for president by saying, "Well, we aren't supposed to judge." Imagine that! Choosing NOT to judge a political candidate on election day! No wonder our nation is in such a mess! As for Matthew 7:1, the context (verses 1-5) allows judging after you have first judged YOURSELF. Jesus did not make a blanket statement against judgment. He simply pointed out a RULE for judging. Now, the word "judge" in its various forms (judgeth, judging, judgment, judges, etc) is found over 700 times in God's word. One whole book of the Bible is titled "Judges" for it was written at a time when God raised up judges to lead His people. As we are about to see, God EXPECTS His people to judge. In fact, you are sinning against God if you refuse to judge! (Read that again, please) God Expects Us to Judge "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment. "Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge. Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8: "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." People have refused to judge, so there is no peace. Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to ". . . be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service. Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should. Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5) If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to JUDGE PEOPLE. If judging people is wrong, how can we obey Romans 16:17-18? II Corinthians 6:17? II Timothy 3:5-6? I John 4:1? Friend, if judging is wrong, then God has contradicted Himself and His words cannot be trusted! Notice Malachi 3:18: "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." WOW! Does that sound like it is wrong to judge? What about Revelation 2:2? " I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:" Why would the Lord be pleased with these Christians if judging was wrong? Is it not impossible to find someone a "liar" without judging them? If the Bible is clear about anything, it is clear about the importance of judging on a regular basis in order to properly serve and honor God. To ignore this fact is to ignore all of the Scripture just presented and also the rest of the Bible. God expects us to judge. God's Rules for Judging Now I do not wish to imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word. Here follow seven good rules from Scripture: Judge Scripturally Isaiah 8:20 says, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Our standard is God's word, not our feelings, our traditions, or our opinions. Right and wrong should always be determined by God's word. Don't Judge When God's Word Is Silent If God's word is silent about a subject, then you may not have to judge at all. Don't rush to judgment on an issue when the Bible says very little or is silent about it. Don't make more of a matter than God makes of it. A good example of this is found in Colossians 2:16: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" That is, these are not subjects of great importance today, so let's not make these great issues of judgment. Pray for Good Judgement Ability When Solomon received his kingdom he asked God to "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" (I Kings 3:9) James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." We should pray for good judgment ability. Don't Respect Persons Proverbs 24:23 says, "These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Treat all parties fairly without favoring anyone, such as family members or friends. A truly fair judge is blind and deaf to any outer influence. (Isa. 42:1, 19-21) Judge in Truth Do not judge another when you do not have all the relevant facts. Jeremiah 5:1 says, "Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it." A true judge is one who seeks the truth. If you must judge, be sure and get all the facts. A Japanese proverb says to "search seven times before you judge." Judge Mercifully Remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Has God not been very merciful to you, even though you deserved it not? Likewise, you should exercise mercy toward others. Don't Forget to Judge Yourself I Corinthians 11:30-31: "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged." If you are a true Christian, then you belong to God. You are God's child. If you refuse to judge and improve yourself as a child of God, then God will take it upon Himself to judge you. Many of the troubles that we face in life are nothing more than God's way of judging us since we often neglect to judge ourselves. Wouldn't it be amazing if every Christian actually took time to judge themselves before judging anyone else? In Matthew 7:4-5, Jesus says, " Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." A good judge will not fail to judge himself.

[@longstreet2740]

@@robinette64 Sure.. I copied it from James Melton minisries

[@larrylafferty3836]

what i get is judge not lest you be judged or we all have blind spots to defect from the subject at hand such as abortion

[@melissaduerksen5409]

Thomas Sowell should be required reading in schools.

[@sandrabradley113]

Will never happen in the public school system! He is so fsr removed from the WOKE, Counter Culture society, if we will, that his books would be burned at first sight in the school! The Public School has removed teaching History as most of us were taught! They then would never allow a true Patriots written word in their school! God teach us to pray, fall on our knees, and fast for this list world! Thank you for your comment!

[@Iamthestorm4750]

100%

[@RoyalProtectorate]

sowell doesn't cover enough in his books to meet what should be considered "required reading."

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

And Church, Sowell teaches more about God wo intending to than most Puritans. Had the Puritans understood the ideas he champions which boul down to "let him who doesn't work not eat" there would have been no economic disaster and famine among the early Plymouth pilgrims. The "tragedy of the commons" is an economics principle that derives directly from the economic disaster of the pilgrims trying to recreate the early Church in Acts at Jerusalem. History is more than just the the plumbline of theology. All of Nature which includes History is Revelation from God as directly written un Romans. In his preface (argumenymt) to Genesis, Calvin warns about the errors of those that reading only from Scripture become lost in vain speculation which would be corrected by paying attention to general Revelation.

[@clarissadavey1505]

Really cool listening to this 2 years later as so much is coming to light.

[@katherinecornette5315]

I heard JD Greear say the same things. The desire for multi ethnic church community by changing how we do church. NOT how BEING the church, we would draw people to Christ. It’s more about his church than the bride of Christ.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Is there anything our wicked heart will not turn to an idol?

[@LilacDaisy2]

"This is all law, guys, and no grace."

[@patcola7335]

That's what I thought the first time I listened to his "radical" sermons. Always adding guilt to the body for not "doing enough"

[@brettmagnuson8318]

Glad you shared. You’re not alone in how platt sermons have made you feel.

[@johnjames8739]

All of my Bible teachers except my pastor have since passed on into eternity. John, Peter, Paul, Spurgeon, Bunyan, Flavel, Watson, Murray, Lloyd-Jones. Praise God for these men!

[@Dashemze]

Is your pastor MacArthur?

[@booner016]

Love them all. Flavel and Watson are 2 lesser knowns that I'm so happy I found. Would add Pink and Washer to that list.

[@wadeh777]

​@@Dashemzehaha that was hilarious

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Well my primary Bible teachers are nature, the Holy Spirit, lists of textual variants,....

[@Merlimews]

If one looked at this issue from a Marxist point of view, Platt would be the perfect Manchurian Candidate. He gets the best and the brightest Christians spinning their wheels for an inordinate amount of time pondering whether he's a false teacher/evangelical Christian/social justice warrior/etc., while sowing discord, disruption and chaos in the last stronghold of American Christianity.

[@emf49]

Good point!

[@ChrisTisking12256]

Fair point, but I don’t know if the idea holds when you make a sensible assumption that they wouldn’t want people discussing the credibility of his teachings.

[@TheJesusNerd40]

Platt is a shill. Wolf in sheep's skin/clothing. Radical and secret church were great for what it is. But all his other stuff is heretical and liberal garbage.

[@dsiri3510]

If you research MK-Ultra you will realize he is a programmed leader. The largest church in the DC/Metro area, where presidents and Congress visit frequently, cannot exist outside of government control.

[@SoccerEric34]

⁠@@ChrisTisking12256 think it’s fair to say at this point, his actions have not (at all) indicated he is a Christian. Which makes him one of the most deceptive, dangerous people in the world. 1. He lied to his own congregation 2. He deceived his own congregation by funneling hundreds of thousands/millions of $ into illegitimate endeavors 3. He took away church membership and voting rights from faithful Christians solely for them calling out HIS sin Yup, sign me up with those who are calling him a false teacher.

[@heyitsyeh]

I know the answer is yes, could save myself 38 minutes but will watch anyway =P My definition is that anyone who has exhibited a pattern of false teaching for 1+ years (such as this Gospel+ heresy) and still hasn’t turned from his ways is undeniably a false teacher.

[@-mayte]

Igualmente

[@marcyoverby3817]

You are so right ✅️. Do Christians really listen to this stuff..That is interesting.

[@garyleuba3036]

A few years ago our Sunday School class showed Platt’s video series on “Radical”. At the time, I wasn’t totally familiar with him, but I felt something was amiss in my spirit concerning his “Radical” teaching.

[@garyleuba3036]

I felt he was condemning Christians in a whiney tone.

[@daraharvey4519]

If you substitute “white” in place of “rich,” Radical is no different from his sermons on CRT these days. The only change is the original sin and the penance demanded. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

[@Sb1214nl]

Same. I watched him once never having seen him before and I immediately felt like something was off.

[@darrellpowell4331]

This dialog is so needful in todays world. Thanks Jon.

[@jamesirvin7799]

The far left preachers think that all blacks are oppressed and constantly in mourning. Those of us in Christ Jesus are blessed as much as any other believers. Romans 8. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[@Iamthestorm4750]

David platt is worse than the other teachers I think because it’s so subtle and confusing. The others are just obvious. It’s insidious.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Beware the voice of the Accuser of the Brethern. Platt seems to be one of those voices. Blaming and shaming and false convictions. The Holy Spirit does not work like this. The Holy Spirit does not accuse with blanket guilting and shaming. Holy Spirit convicts from the heart and loves to true repentance.

[@JesseStevenPollom]

Thanks Jon, platt as you said is one of those guys that seems to flirt just enough with these categories that it’s harder to peg him as problematic, so this analysis was helpful

[@2timothy23]

Wow, talk about like-minded timing: I upload devotion type videos on my KZbin channel and yesterday I did one (that will be uploaded this morning) for Amos 5:24, basically going over the context of it and referenced David Platt's misuse of it. I didn't see this video until this morning. Thank you for specifically going over all the points Platt made in his "sermon" because I just general showed that he was being vague and that his accusation against the church by using the Amos verses was wrong. I remember posting a long critique of his "sermon" in the comment section of T4G video of Platt's message. Platt has definitely jumped on the "woke" train.

[@JonathanGrandt]

If I could sum up Platt… A Christian can be NOT a Christian if they DON’T obey the law of Platt and cause others to stumble into it.

[@SuppressedOfficial]

"Blackness" has become an idol for these idolators.

[@AndrewKendall71]

Yeah, Platt saying the old, "Sunday morning is the most segregated..." line - I've always had a problem with the use of that term. It may be technically correct. But the connotation of it is that an outside force or inside force created the isolation-from-the-other with isolation-from-the-other in mind. That's not common today. It's not. It's not a stubborn movement or still around in any meaningful number.

[@conceptualclarity]

I never hear that cliche from anybody who is up to any good. And it's not true Sunday morning is more segregated than 11 PM.

[@conservativemama3437]

Voddie Bauchum is not going to be at the Sing conference. He put out a statement about it in an email.

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

This must be super recent. All their promos still have Voddie

[@20july1944]

That is GREAT if true, and I don't even like Voddie because he's a Calvinist. I have newfound respect for conservative Calvinists in the Wake of "Woke".

[@conservativemama3437]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast you’re right-apparently despite his requests for them to take him off their promos, they have not. I wish I could send screenshots of his email. What’s your email? I can forward...

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

​@@20july1944 As a CalvArminian, let's avoid a circular firing squad boys. ...

[@20july1944]

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po What are your beliefs? I don't see anything good about Calvinism.

[@rebeccanoll3130]

I'm glad you spoke to Todd. I listen to his podcasts too from time to time not as consistently as I listen to yours but I did listen to his podcast on David Platt before you brought it up and his opinions really bothered me. I thought he was "off". I pray you will have influence. Iron sharpens Iron so good you 2 brothers are having a conversation.

[@tb2324]

I hope Jon also discusses Todd’s stance on Romans 13 where Todd said if they government mandated he wear pinwheels on his head to enter Publix……he’d put pinwheels on his head. This was in relation to Vs and if the government mandated them, should Christians obey.

[@rebeccanoll3130]

@@tb2324 yes, I agree with you. That is totally ridiculous and I would hope resources shared like the books Jon recommended The Madgeburg book . I cant remember all the titles but I did read them and they helped me understand romans 13 bettter

[@tb2324]

@@rebeccanoll3130 I will go back and listen to Jon’s video on that to get the name of the books. I’d be interested in reading those. I do find it odd that those that hold the view that Romans 13 requires you to obey the government (as long as they aren’t requiring you to commit a very blatant sin like murder or denying Christ) understand every other line of authority has a limit even outside of Sin. A pastor only has a level of authority over the members. Scripture. A pastor has no authority to tell me how to educate my children. Yet we are to submit to our elders. They can’t tell me where to work. So they understand their authority is with scripture, teaching sound doctrine, church discipline etc. A wife is to submit to her husband. But we understand there are limits there as God hasn’t given a husband full authority over the wife. There are things I can’t require of my wife, or shouldn’t. So why do these folks feel the Government has full authority with no limits unless telling you to sin? That’s where Romans 13 explains their authority. Punish evil and reward good. Now, I’m no expert with this at all. Jesus also says to pay Caesar what is Caesers, and not sure how that fits under the “punish evil and reward good”. This is why I’d like to study up a bit on this.

[@larrylafferty3836]

@@tb2324 funny you BROUGHT THAT UP ROMANS 13 my BIBLE study teacher has the same attitude you discribed i told him what was Paul in jail for when he wrote that chapter ? does.'t look like PAUL was inagreement with something

[@hermanr5513]

Platt very subtly leads people astray. We may often, and without much thought call people Pharisees, but I believe the comparison here is very accurate. Platt adds to the requirements of the law to a point that it is not only burdensome but unattainable. That is exactly what the Pharisees did. Somehow he forgot that we live under Grace.

[@kyleholifield527]

He fake cries when he preaches. I don’t like that. He’s acting. It’s fake. Why do that, except to manipulate?

[@johnsaxon5154]

HE's looking to hit the emotional church goers. Females and feminine men.

[@johnsaxon5154]

@@WinterSoldier-dy2qc Yep

[@conceptualclarity]

@@WinterSoldier-dy2qc love it LOL

[@mikelbowen7741]

How do you know he fake cries?

[@michaelglass9604]

​ for me its his whining whimpering tone in his voice that sounds like he is suffering pain.

[@LucianaPelota]

Again I have to express my gratitude for your leadership as a young man. I am sure others like you exist, but I don't know them. You are in my prayers.

[@1satisfiedmind]

I used to go to the old Gosple Coalition conferences and remember the 1st time Platt spoke at one. He was "The rising star" we all needed to listen to. I wasn't moved by the message, except to guard my mind and my wallet. He was young, my guess in his mid twenties. By the end of his "session" I thought, "Is he gonna ask us to raise our hands and take a vow of poverty now?" I don't know where he's at now, but then all I heard from him was how guilty the church was for failing the great commission (as he saw it). The problem with these guys is they see themselves as reformers, when in actuality conformist. "Be like me, see like me, have my convictions" or you're not like Jesus.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

He bought a million dollar home December 2023.

[@pamelageer8984]

Thank you so much for this! There was always more to it than just his style and I think a lot of people have felt for awhile that something was off with him but couldn't nail it down.

[@hauthang85]

He does it again in 2020, preaching from Amos; I am an Asian but he got me feeling guilty as well lol. Preachers like David Platt should only talk about his racism; just because he was racist, he should not assume all are racist.

[@mary-janechambers3596]

Voddie Also discusses this sermon in his book, Fault Lines

[@laurenpark9706]

The gospel is never about the social justice or racism or the problems in the world, it is about God rescuing sinners from sin through Jesus. Whoever preaches other than that is a false.

[@Iamthestorm4750]

Also taller people have advantages. Better looking people have advantages.

[@Iamthestorm4750]

Racism and racial disparities are not the same thing. Because it could be, and in fact is these days, just a culture and behavior that leads to these disparities. When you have a culture that glorifies sin, doesn’t respect authority, laziness in the manifestation of victimhood, then there are going to be disparities. And that has nothing to do with external hatred towards a race.

[@GiaGirlism]

Please do something on the sing conference. I think the Gettys maybe trying to build a bridge but that bridge is going to wokeness. I just remember last year when they said they were going to lament on blackout Tuesday. 😕

[@timvandermey4792]

Yes. Getty’s are drifting

[@lynne1550]

Thanks Jon for another fabulous podcast. Platt was my favorite pastor/teacher. Now he is preaching a different gospel.

[@cat-bg3rv]

Do you know how long David has switched over to being progressive?

[@ILoveOldTWC]

He never did preach a biblical gospel.

[@Iamthestorm4750]

After watching this I can comclude he’s a false teacher. Who cares if the church is diverse? If it’s biblical and only white people follow it then that’s the way it is and we follow it. If it’s only black people who are following the Bible then we go there. It doesn’t matter. It only matters if the church we are in is biblical. Now we can take a look at the demographics and say we need to reach these folks. But we can’t force diversity. We preach the gospel and Bible accurately to them and it’s up to the Holy Spirit to decide if they repent. If they come great. But if not that sucks but it’s not a problem if it just remains white people because this other group rejected the gospel. As long as it’s biblical. It’s like the abortion debate. Even if it was all men standing against it and no women. Abortion is still objectively wrong despite that disparity. Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless. Learning about these disparities can help us learn to reach others but it doesn’t have to be diverse just for diversity sake.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

🙌 💯

[@ribbit-hop]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Absolutely. Waiting for him to announce he's "deconstructing."

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

That usually only comes when the money dries up. You may be right, but not until it’s financially beneficial.

[@michaelclark2458]

We are living in the last days but not the way it’s discussed. It isn’t the last 5 years or even 100 years. It’s been the last days since Jesus came. There is nothing new under the sun, there is nothing different today spiritually than the days of Christ’s first advent. The last days is Jesus based not world based. “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭ “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭

[@kateharrison5136]

Dude, sing 2021 is just the strangest collaboration of people I've ever seen. Social justice warriors, and Karen Pence?!?!😂

[@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast]

Wait what?!

[@kateharrison5136]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast wish I could send a screen shots on this thing. Go to their sing conference website, her name is at the end. 😆 💁🏻‍♀️

[@GerardPerry]

@@kateharrison5136 Missionary Spencer Smith just uploaded a great video about this.

[@KarinAllison]

@@kateharrison5136 oh gosh! yeah...I just checked it out and - a list that includes Karen Swallow Prior, Jonathan Leeman...and Karen Pence. HUGE list, too. Joni Eareckson Tada I think is like Eric Metaxas, will go to anything she's invited. 😐

[@clayweir9020]

@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast allistair begg, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham all along side with Tim Keller, David Platt, Chris Tomlinson (wonder if he’s bringing his Florida Georgia line buddies), Paul Tripp, Isaac ADAMS, John Piper and a host of “women pastors”. All kinds of different flavors yoking up. I’m really confused by this

[@janne2olof301]

For, lo, the wicked bend [their] bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" - Psalm 11:2-3 (KJV)

[@Hijinx59]

David Platt would appear to have more in common with Karl Marx than the Apostle Paul in his teaching . What a shame .

[@rogerwalters6443]

My wife has been a victim of this teaching for years. I have to unteach years of bad biblical teaching. I remember the first fits of anger reading the actual word of God and her coming to terms (like I have) with actual doctrine. These church all have one thing in common. THEY DO NOT EXPOSIT THE WORD. THEY PREACH LOOSE WORDED TOPICAL PUNCH SERMONS FOCUSED ON MEN "MOVED BY THE SPIRIT" AND THEY BLASPHEME THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

[@kkgoucher9135]

Regarding the Getty conference give Spencer Smith a watch "A Doctrinal Disaster".

[@GerardPerry]

Spencer nailed it. I'm surprised Phil Vis her isn't part of that ecumenical disaster.

[@jackjones3657]

At the least it would seem Platt needs much greater accountability. He is heading McClean bible church and this, among other things, has exposed him as a world capitulator and an individual without concern for unbiblical narratives that are dividing the church.

[@danbrown586]

At 27:00, I think you're mis-parsing his statement. I believe his intent would have been (and certainly *should* have been) that "based on ethnic diversity" modifies "dividing wall of hostility." The sentence would thus read, "Followers of Christ, regardless of skin color, have one father, as one family, in one household, with no (dividing wall of hostility based on ethnic diversity)."

[@evelynrowland1993]

Bit late these, but so good, thank you! Over here 🇬🇧we have a parachurch organisation that is now pushing what looks like a ‘Christianised’ version of Intercultural Communication. Except of course, that it isn’t. They call it ‘Intercultural Ministry’

[@dubyag4124]

I'm going to SING next week - I signed up for Platts session specifically to see exactly what he says..... But I've been to 3 SING conferences in a row and they seem to very slowly but surely moving more woke each year.

[@hokieham]

That’s why I’m not going this year.

[@20july1944]

@@hokieham I ask this to anyone clued in to evangelical-wide politics. The Gettys are huge Calvinists, as is Platt and Mark Dever of Capital Hill Baptist in DC. Is there a correlation between Calvinism and modern, neo-wokism?

[@hokieham]

@@20july1944 LOL…….no. There are plenty of Calvinists calling this out. Voddie, White, Wilson….etc. Unfortunately this shows anyone can fall into error.

[@joycesmith8299]

@@20july1944 I have had this same question, adding Greear, Chandler, and, of course, Keller to your list...and pulling on those strings leads directly to the Gospel Coalition, whose leadership and major membership are Calvinists. Is there a rogue group of elitist Calvinists who have broken off from orthodox teaching to develop their own brand, so to speak.? I recall years ago when I first heard of the Keller led TGC that it was being platformed by a number of respected biblical scholars who said they did not agree with everything, but they could not withhold endorsement because these men were their "friends and brothers." Hmmmmm. Confused then...still confused.

[@orbyfan]

This idea that church is "the most segregated hour" is always used to instill guilt feelings in white Christians as if it's a weakness in Christianity, when it's actually a strength. Unlike Islam, with its 7th century Arabian cultural trappings, Christianity doesn't require its believers to leave their culture when they come to Christ, which is why you can have churches that are black, Chinese, Korean, Hispanic, etc. If people prefer to be with those who resemble themselves--which seems to be the way God wired us--somehow, in the minds of SJWs such as David Platt and Tim Keller, it's always a sin that's whitey's fault even if blacks prefer to be with blacks and Chinese prefer to be with Chinese (and look at the way non-whites vote). I'm still waiting for guiltmongers Platt and Keller to take their expressed views to the point of turning over their pastorates to non-whites.

[@bernardhenderson1146]

Actually it is the truth..

[@conceptualclarity]

Actually there is no interest whatsoever with the evangelical Left in upbraiding blacks or Koreans, etc, for having churches "lacking in diversity", only in using diversity as a club to bludgeon whites despite their churches having the greatest diversity. As it's said, if it weren't for double standards Democrats would have no standards at all. David Platt and other woke preachers are pretending to be sociologists who can be trusted when in reality they are totally incompetent in that realm, and they are reading from the scripts provided by Marxist liars.

[@jaydubya7012]

I have always said that. I do t see any of these woke lefties giving up their job, or Seat at the table to a minority. But but but they have to keep their seat so they can tell everyone else what they are doing wrong.

[@Steve-og4ii]

A recent video i saw,ckaims that he changed the name from Mclain bible church, to one that has the wird " Melanin" in it! Can anyone confirm? I forget the name of the utube channel,but they were interviewing a number of members who left the church.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

No confirmation. The very latest two part documentary doesn't mention it at least.

[@CoffeyPowell]

Nailed this guy 3 years ago

[@davidgodoy1943]

If David Platt uses scripture the word of God and uses it for promoting CRT a worldly philosophy he is a false teacher, unless he has the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit convicts him of sin he will repent of all this false teachings.

[@hughmccann919]

"David Platt believes that because a disparity exists, therefore we're all complicit in abuse." BOOM.

[@jorgesam90]

I remember being so disappointed and confused after hearing this sermon at T4G.

[@johnsaxon5154]

why is parts of the church obsessed about feeling guilty

[@SimonJification]

Suggestion: if you get to have the conversation with Todd, it might be helpful to point out to him that calling someone a false teacher is a mechanism to win erring brothers back over. It is actually loving to tell him he is one. If enough people did, he might be ashamed and repent.

[@read_old_books4351]

Todd responded humbly and graciously to that argument. He was willing to concede the point. I was so impressed at how humble and kind he was.

[@aztec0112]

Clearly, Platt is acting in the image of his 'father' ; prowling around like a roaring lion seeking whom to devour. There is no Gospel in his speech, it is all cynically works based. He is a ravening wolf. I am reminded yet again, when Paul states God gave them over to a depraved mind. It applies to the church too....

[@redflame4558]

It would help if he could break Platt's words down correctly, tho. There were a couple times he made mistakes that *then* just became an APPARENT misunderstanding (even tho his mistakes were innocent, it did show where his bias leans.) Remember when he was quoting Platt about ethnic diversity? He showed a quote on screen that had the actual phrase "ethnic diversity" in it, (in the 25-30 min range) & then proceeded to explain that phrase as if the sentence had a comma before the phrase "ethnic diversity" changing it's meaning COMPLETELY... then went on & on about this, when he was misunderstanding it the whole entire time. It's nothing but simple grammar. (& you need to to know where it matters & where you can slide. He doesn't.) We all make mistakes, but jeeesh. It IS incumbent upon him to have the critic in question correct. Especially, if he is gonna go on & on about it. Idk enough about Platt. I just know that this was an absolutely horrible analysis. This KZbin preache may be great. Idk him, either. I'll give him another shot to be fair. But, I was not impressed w/ his breakdown or biblical analysis. I prefer more scripture reference w/ context. I guess I'm old school. I like my preachers to arm me w/ the scripture. & you don't have to be a preacher to critique a preacher, either. But, you must have scripture & context. W/out those components, your critique is more like... "just your opinion, man." ~ The Dude from Big Libowski

[@aztec0112]

@@redflame4558 :Fair enough points, however my opinion on Platt is based on much more than this video. Platt has a long, well documented, history of Graceless, oppressive works-based, righteousness, as well as many other issues with his personality, temperament, leadership style, inability to function within the constitutional constraints of the SBC, loose view of integrity and truth... you know, like many of the popular so Christian church leaders. Platt lost the script a long time ago.

[@patcola7335]

@@aztec0112 The LORD gave me the wisdom to turn from Platt a few years ago when I first listened to him. All of these "rock star" preachers all seem to have a few things in common. Guilt, no simple Gospel truth and of course the "tithe"....show me where in scriptures where the modern 401c3 "church" is modeled after the church of the apostles day ? The modern day "church" is a business.

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

Does a bear crap in the woods?

[@outdoormedia77]

Again great show as always, I remember when Platt made this statement but never really put much stock in it when he said it. But just on the heals of Matthew Hall Platt is saying he is a bigot. He accusing everyone at that conference including himself of being a bigot. Last I recall this requires that Platt step down as a pastor and go into church discipline. I have noticed he did not, he didn’t even suggest it or entertain going into church discipline. At best Platt is unqualified, he really needs to resign and step down.

[@Steve-og4ii]

He's full on board with CRT. He left the Bible long ago.

[@landonsanchez1797]

Does anyone have a link to the critique of Radical Jon referenced at the beginning? I couldn’t find it.

[@eric_eagle]

Good analysis.. I think though when we start talking about pastors “headlining” conferences we probably need at least a 5-10 year moratorium on conferences. Seriously I’d like to see the whole culture of Christian conferences done and over with. Get the focus back on the local Church, and not a springboard to “bigger and better things.” What is bigger and better than serving a flock anyway?

[@cat-bg3rv]

Appreciate that you took the time to put out a video on this guy. I was wondering about him too. I did not know who he was and only heard just a snippet of him on another platform and by others who I know. I plan to check this video out. Thanks. Discernment is key. As I am listening, I am thinking that this teaching (with CRT & Social Justice) is a huge distraction in the church let alone outside of it. Injustice. Let's define it first - Voddie Baucham.

[@longstreet2740]

False teachers enter very subtly . David Platt is a litmus test of Saved and Reprobate. Platts gospel appeals to a lost man's self righteous spirit .

[@longstreet2740]

Platt IS a False Prophet, and possibly Reprobate ... can't get saved

[@jk_7298]

It is dangerous to just listen to a pastor online. It is important to see them face to face. Not saying all pastor-teachers we listen to are false, but this is a warning. I had listened to platt from 2017, i was looking for an online church that can help me as I was in a season of removing myself from prosperity gospel church, I was a listener of furtick. 🤦🏻‍♀️, i stumbled upon platt’s old videos, his way of delivering his messages caught my eyes. The early ones were solid. I am in canada, no way to see platt in person, neither talk. Throughout the process of removing myself from my old church i also came across, Jmac, VB, Washer, sproul, etc. reliable more solid Christian doctrine. this was a helpful venue for me to stop listening to platt for awhile. Secret Church 2020, i decided to watch it. IT WAS A WAKE UP CALL for me, what happened to platt? It was full of CRT. Thats when I have to stop listening from them. And realized I cannot play along the games of “i can watch online church” - it just fools my thinking. I need a real physical church. That I see my pastor. And know the people in it. I now found a home church. A humble, and I pray that it remains faithful to the Word of God. All I am saying is, an online teacher/pastor, can help you in seasons of your life, BUT they are not your local, physical church. Jmac dont know me. Washer dont know me. Thank God, He leads me to the right path and protects me. We ought to pray for our pastors. We ought to pray that they may remain humble and faithful to God’s Word. Pray for the people of MBC and the people it reaches online. We all need to pray for the universal church. And also our local church. Thank you Jon for these commentaries. It is very helpful.

[@Outrider74]

David Platt was off the rails a LONG time ago when his book Radical came out. It was essentially the inverse of the prosperity gospel, like John Piper and Francis Chan have both advocated for as well (the "poverty gospel," which I believe either this channel or a Lutheran channel I listened to coined). When I first read excerpts from the book, I was very much biblically put off by it. He really should have been cut off from confessional evangelicalism quite some time ago. The problem is that evangelicalism is almost as bad (maybe AS bad) in the world in the "cult of personality" venue. We have our celebrities, and we turn them into infallible repositories of divine truth. To be honest, the Christian media machine may have been one of the WORST productions that American evangelicalism has ever put forth.

[@Purvis-dw4qf]

The unsaid answer to racism according to Pratt and his fellow travelers is voting Democrat.

[@stephenreeves8297]

Yes David Platt is a false teacher. It heartbreaking that he injured the Church and damaged years of labor from the former Pastor. What a disgrace.

[@hokieham]

Very helpful Jon. Thanks!

[@bobsnyder3763]

I have a pastor friend who is militantly aligned with what David Platt is selling and we have often disagreed. It even got to the point where I asked him point blank, "Did you lynch someone in your youth and is it guilt driving you to demand justice like you do?" There are few other explanations for his irrational need to see racism everywhere he looks and try to make it right.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

WARNING, bad pun incoming... The last Platt I can stand listening to was a Platter. Groan

[@Josh.1234]

Here is Platt with Thabiti at MBC talking about racism/diversity/etc right around the time of the T4G 2018 speech. Not sure Platt is much different than Thabiti aside from the fact he is more vague which lends to people giving him the benefit of the doubt. This along with T4G speech marked my families exit from MBC. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2mygZuZnbx3qKM

[@20july1944]

I stopped attending MBC services after only 1-2 "Plattitudes" although I still do Sunday School there because I value the Christian fellowship and discipline of going to church. You were 100% right to leave, and unless God works mightily -- we're not getting MBC back, Damn Dale Sutherland, who was the traitor who gave the keys to the pastor's office to Platt while Lon was on medical leave.

[@darrellpowell4331]

I'm glad you and Todd are speaking.

[@davidmcginley6516]

All of the people being addressed in Amos were Israelites. Yet Amos was not castigating them for their lack of diversity.

[@MrWeebable]

35:30 Exactly! It's a burden! But I would add that JMac and J Piper also burden their listeners with a heavy yoke, to a life where you're never certain you've done enough.

[@garycasebier7909]

John, I have listened to several of your shows in the last year and find your show informative. Here is the thing, in context, in what the apostle Paul would consider one would be a false teacher, David would not be a false teacher but moreso an incomplete or blindsided one. Now, he maybe be one that really needs a deeper understanding grace and much deeper way of how the Bible addresses race issues. False really implies much more insidious perspective and really he doesn't fall into that category.

[@crit_cannon1090]

Exactly how I feel about it. Thanks for the post brother

[@kzuk9237]

I have thought that same thing, however, I also have to remember that for the most part, false teacher do not know that they are false teachers. And, false teaching can be at first so subtle, and grow over time, I think this might be the case for Platt.

[@crit_cannon1090]

@@kzuk9237 good point. your not wrong either

[@darrelljackson6175]

Would Paul not label someone who adds "works" with the Gospel a false teacher? Were the Judaizers false teachers or not? Galatians 1:9 -10

[@garycasebier7909]

@@darrelljackson6175 would highly do a deep study on Galatians and how Acts 15 is involved in it and the way Gentiles converted to Judaism. Circumcision was one requirement. Paul saw circumcision as a dead work and unable to yield fruit. The contempt in Galatians centered entirely on that. Paul does suggests works in Galatians or rather a way to walk (in the Spirit). Paul states to put to off the old nature several times in his letters.

[@John3.36]

Short Answer: Yes

[@shannonl8602]

Listening to this in 2024 after watching the 2-part documentary showing MacLean church falling apart. I’ve always had red flags about David Platt and I agree with you that his style is off putting. It’s all come to light now.

[@CJinsoo]

The infuriating thing is that the disparities he cites, many of them are either caused by government actions, or cultural. As an example, income and poverty for low income blacks, of course it is hard for blacks born into the welfare system to escape it, and to lead to multiple generations of welfare (it’s hard for any race). it isn’t racism, it’s the design of the system where the government’s main goal is to provide economic aid, and do so in a way where it diminishes the incentive to work because you lose all of those benefits when you work and save. try getting out of that trap. Yet, it is 16 year old single mothers making the initial decision to get on the short-term train with no thought of what the long-term consequences are. 10-15 years later they are stuck and trapped-that isn’t racism you blundering fool! disparities don’t equal racism or sin. there is no God given law of equal outcomes. what a fool.

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

It's really sad to see him turn aside like this. But what about Shai Line, now?

[@wpuymac]

Borderline!

[@JonJaeden]

Platt in 2018: Pastors who quote only pastors or theologians of their own ethnicity are practicing racisim. Platt in 2021: Memo to self -- Let Ed Litton know I wasn't refering to him uber-quoting Greear when I said that.

[@anitachildress7633]

I didn’t see Voddie and MacArthur on the schedule. I saw Alastair Brgg and Ligonier Duncan but perhaps I didn’t see the full schedule. Voddie and MacArthur are speaking at G3 later in month.

[@anitachildress7633]

For some reason I can’t edit my spelling errors. Alistair Begg. Ligon Duncan.

[@lindseyswinborne4985]

They are both featured on the Sing speaker page towards the bottom. Maybe they're doing Zoom sessions?

[@KarinAllison]

So have him hold a minute of silence where everyone privately confesses any racial sin in their minds, then issue the assurance of pardon and move on. The end.

[@davidbunker7381]

??

[@JonJaeden]

Platt: "Why are the churches I've been a part of and led been so white?" Anyone: Because, David, those are the churches you've applied to. There are many black churches that you could apply to as an associate in a supporting, but not leadership, position. This is on you.

[@iwonder7480]

There is NO true justice on this earth nor can there be - the only justice & justification we can walk in & live by, is in Christ. Mans attempts to redeem himself and 'act' justly, is just that, an act, a work, a demonstration in the flesh. The flesh profits nothing. John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. My question to DP is, when did the Gospel of Salvation in Christ become about ANYTHING we do to influence culture & aim to convince people to behave in a certain way?? It is mankind's refusal to humble himself before God & walk in HIS ways & HIS righteousness, that brings this world to this sorry state we find ourselves in. Mankind's self-righteousness ie righteous acts without God's spirit, paves just another of the many paths that lead to an eternity in hell. Micah 6:8 says - 8 He hath shown thee, O man, what is good: and what doth the Lord require of thee but to do justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.

[@AJ-qi5tm]

Hard to say…He’s a woke lefty first and foremost - so Id say he’s on the slippery slope or already a total fraud. Seems that chandler and Keller have also gone that route

[@janiceking6955]

I made myself stay until the last word of this video, but if people will think for themselves and not wait to be told what their thoughts should be, I don't see how in the world they would not be able to see at least some truth in critical race theory. This country has been built on white men rule. Most of the world was built on it. Seems like the only ones who can't see it are white men, why are white men the main ones disagreeing on critical race theory? Afraid of losing control? Didn't Jesus tell me to see other people as more important than myself? On the other hand, I believe there are pastors are who are going too far in the direction of CRT, and not focusing on the gospel which actually teaches us how to love each other. There are huge mistakes being made in both races, white and black and probably all the races in between. Stop making the church political and make it spiritual. Jesus said to love our neighbor and I don't think he meant the person living on each side of me. And for those who think David Platt is not authentic, check out his life! How many people do you know who are selling their big house to buy a smaller one so they have more money to give to missions? How many people do you know who are traveling to remote third world countries to reach unsaved people for Christ? I can't wait to see the rewards David Platt receives in heaven.

[@Sb1214nl]

So you’re doing these things are you?

[@Sb1214nl]

Thomas Sowell, and Voddie Bachum don’t agree

[@nancywenger1388]

It's important to distinguish between a false prophet and being misguided and misled. Is he deviously attempting to destroy the church?

[@shawnmessick4667]

Yeah, anytime someone gets into this kind of stuff like David Platt does with race, I remember that wonderful, up and comer Jim Jones. It just makes you raise a brow.🤨 Oh, yeah, he was a Marxist also. Shocking.

[@lenabernhard8732]

I am sorry, but why do you waste time making or watching a video that picks on 1 sermon. Do you know what he does in his life? He wants to wake people up that yes we all have to repent in one way or another. Think: maybe you are living a comfortable life? Maybe that was just one example of where people of the west need to get up and be a light to this world. Also read the bible and then you will know whats right or wrong.😊

[@Sb1214nl]

You’re living under a rock.

[@angelabowling856]

Excellent Biblical perspective . Following you.

[@johfu4705]

This is worse than just “law”, it is preaching “man’s law”

[@doctrinalwatchdog6268]

Good point.

[@k3of5ks]

Lord have mercy (and he does)......big, huge, sigh.......unfortunately I can't send this to my social justice Christian friends. They would never listen. I've tried. It's either shut up and keep the relationship or move on.

[@gregb6469]

If they can't respect your beliefs, and make continuance of the relationship dependent upon you agreeing with them, then they are not really your friends. It's time to move on.

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

David Platt has been zombified by Robin DeAngelo.

[@ApollosHagman_17]

False teaching is possible by someone who is not completely a false teacher. Everyone teacher is liable to promote some things they shouldn't. That being said, Platt's level means the label is a legitimate possibility.

[@elkellenhabla]

You definitely misunderstood Platt's point/argument/etc.

[@MarianneRamos-jb6os]

Brethren, Beloved of the LORD JESUS CHRIST grace and mercy be with us all. The Bible tells us that we should love one another. Let's test our own spirit. Are we judging our fellow brother based on our own understanding or based on the influence of others who dislike him and the message. If you think and truly believe with your heart that he's mistaken and did wrong, are you not supposed to correct him in meekness. Counting him not as our enemy less we too fall into the same mistake. 1 John 5 :1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2.By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3.For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Brethren, many of us reacted toward him grievously. I've read some comments also from other videos that he is not welcome to their church to preach. He's beeing called grievously. Have you ever seek GOD'S guidance concerning your reaction or are you reacting emotionally. Beware, when you judge. As the Bible said, we're all will stand before the righteous Judge and this very thing might be seen in you. Peace!

[@dianefinney7570]

This was great thanks

[@kans6]

Just curious. I don’t know your work but have you been asked to be on the stage with John MacArthur and the other men you name ? And, why should we care about what you say? And do Voodie and Mac Arthur agree with one another in their theology and presentation? I’m just asking.

[@ringojmusic]

I’m confused….does god live in the light or in darkness?

[@peterheroux8239]

David Platt: “Please, Please, Please, believe in Jesus.”Hey David, what about repentance, sin and Hell? David: “ People don’t like those verses!”

[@jeannet7443]

What is T4G?

[@dawnzimmerman6818]

Together For the Gospel (T4G)

[@martygough]

Yes, he is lost