What lies ahead for Putin? With Ian Bremmer, Bill Browder & Nina Kuryata | CogX Festival 2023

With the war between Russia and Ukraine entering its 18th exhaustive month, we're privileged to have two of the most respected thought leaders in the area - Ian Bremmer and Bill Browder, join us to share their insights and reflections on this prolonged geopolitical conflict. We'll delve into understanding Putin's current mindset and anticipate the trajectory of this conflict in 2024, hosted by Tortoise Media’s Nina Kuryata.
Featuring:
Ian Bremmer - President - Eurasia Group and GZERO Media
Bill Browder - CEO Hermitage Capital Management, Head of the Global Magnitsky Justice Campaign and Author of Red Notice - Hermitage Capital Management
Nina Kuryata - Journalist - Tortoise Media
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[@johnnygreen1376]

Bill Browder for president :) He's a champ.

[@roberts7961]

Could listen to Bill all day

[@nathaliek798]

Me too. What a brilliant persona he is! Loved his book too.

[@roberts7961]

Love to put Bill and Putin in the ring together, Bill would break his jaw lol@@nathaliek798

[@prasannahidellarachchi8086]

Looking at the number of people attending this what ever you call this meeting discussion etc, any one can imagine how serious people have taken it.

[@Viktor-bb]

Я не понимаю их,когда убивают детей в Палестине

[@false_binary]

Excellent session. I recently returned to finish a long abandoned PoliSci BA, was astounded at how little we discussed techno-politics. I brought this up multiple times with my professors and they agreed but did not seem particularly engaged on the topic. Tech LITERALLY is driving our politics at all levels.

[@ralphvandereb66]

Total bs

[@markovizniuk8008]

ÀQQ

[@janicetribble461]

U

[@Martin-qm2lg]

Great commentary, 2024 could be a major, historic and pivotal big year. Who knows what will happen. Everything is in play!

[@fronabulax63]

even WW3 and the extermination of mankind

[@austJW]

In a month its Winter, and then the Ukraine offensive is over. Russia took 160,000 kms and Ukraine has taken 282 kms or 0.0001% of what Russia took. Nothing is in play. Everybody owes their allegiance to Putin and the killing of Wagner boss has cemented his grip on power.

[@Anthonythumb]

@@aslampervez2294Vlad the failure.

[@ivanoleaanimator]

@@fronabulax63that’s what these people want.

[@casadefreeman601]

😊

[@vickielewis3848]

Highly informative and thought provoking. Quality listening. Thank you. 👋👱‍♀️🇺🇲

[@geofromnj7377]

One can only hope that Bill Browder's assessment of Putin's state of mind is accurate. I am in total agreement with Ian Bremmer,'s assessment of the power of grievance and AI and like him, I am very worried about the future of democracy in America and elsewhere.

[@arimoff]

Putins state of mind is much more rational than bidens and any western Leftist. Look in the mirror if you want to blame anyone

[@L.budz.]

Democracy is an illusion, the system is rigged

[@PaulHarpur]

20:12 20:14

[@PaulHarpur]

23:39 ad😊

[@Bruce-nu8pw]

0​@@PaulHarpuriooll

[@Aluminata]

It's a complete mystery to me as to why Prigozhin would take to the air over Russia. It was an act of suicidal oversight.

[@longandshort6639]

Many think that Prigozhin is still alive. His cunning use of disguises got him out. A man with a hunchback, an eye patch, wooden leg and a big red beard and a plastic parrot on his shoulder was seen walking away from the airplane just before take off in Mali.

[@kbecker9971]

Another possibility is he was already dead before they put him on the plane.

[@toby9999]

I suspect he overestimated his importance to putin.

[@buckpittenterprises7225]

cokane my son. Too much Cokane )))

[@bubisav123]

You think that he is really dead? Is there a possibility that everything was staged?

[@charleslatourelle8207]

They are also running out of money! The ruble is very weak and inflation is on the rise

[@user-fz6wx2zk6p]

You wish❤😊

[@karljensen893]

Democracies being driven by large corporations .. explains a lot ... but probably better than singular greed driven by mental problems..

[@jockauld3966]

Are you referring to Biden or his controlers?

[@mitchellhawkes22]

Tremendous, eloquent performance by Ian. Bill did his usual top-notch job.

[@lynj-c9153]

Excellent!

[@margaretlamb2432]

Love listening to Mr. Browder. Interesting man and we need to listen to what he says 🥰

[@marioformosa4259]

He's a wannabe oligarch , kicked out of Russia

[@James-sh4zf]

EU actually provides the majority of the financial aid. That said, if the main supply of munitions is cut off, then no amount of financiak aid would prevent Russia from slowly winning the war of attrition

[@pal6636]

That heading is pretty accurate . What " lies " are ahead for Putin ?

[@Viktor-bb]

А байдена если он не верит сми

[@W_Bin]

There are a large number of expat politicians willing to help in Russia.

[@barrycoetzee36]

Great discussion 👍

[@vuqarnbiyev6029]

A very interesting analysis. Thanks a lot.

[@slangelands4255]

Great discussion. Thank you.

[@user-hy9nh4yk3p]

A certain answer here - for all of us, really: So the formula is - Death - Bardo (after life) and Rebirth. We learn lessons - and hopefully correct - our strange tendencies and then transform totally - so that we learn - to 'love Him who loves all and love all - whom He loves.' (Ram Chandra)

[@AlexdaCunha]

"What LIES ahead for Putin"... was that intended as a pun? 🤭

[@L.budz.]

Lies = western propaganda aka this interview

[@jamestiburon443]

A fate similar to Prygoshin; I would bet.

[@nathaliek798]

They should have invited Mr. Garry Kasparov to the panel. He knows crazy kleptocratic putin even better. He is his true opponent for ages!

[@ianjarrett2724]

A smashing in Bolton Road, Small Heath, Birmingham, B10 , UK 🇬🇧

[@gambaridup]

The old sayin: "..empirically, no human being get out of this world alive.." Putin's enemies wished him a violent death like Col Ghadaffi, Libya or Saddam Hussein former Iraqi president, and Putin is fully aware of that.

[@delhog6161]

This session was to short it needed to be an hour longer. 🇬🇧👍

[@dedeehamill6067]

Do you remember the Cuban missle crisis? I do!

[@Viktor-bb]

Куба возле Америки и что живут лучше 😂

[@sammenter1]

Excellent analysis. Thank you so much Bill Browder and Ian Bremmer. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇬🇧

[@shimondauber8984]

U must B Joking. 2 "experts" holding non neutral views, can never be accurate.

[@Paulius-lb4ng]

Just like Putin and Dugin.

[@425z5]

It’s not a great bet but the US was in Afghanistan for 20 years Vietnam 10 years etc. etc.

[@livondiramerian6999]

Truth tellers are blessed.

[@kenchen5268]

If those on the stage pre-set the western democracy is the golden rule for the world then all those discussions are wasted of time. The old saying is: one bowl can’t make sound, so today’s satiation in Europe is not ALL Putin’s fault, U.S. has unshirkable responsibility.

[@Viktor-bb]

А кто видел эти правила😂

[@warrenwalker8170]

nato tried to tell ukraine how to attack on the battle field and that proved to be big losses and instead Ukraine is doing it their way , so when you say nato doesn't think Ukraine can get back to their borders - I say watch and learn Slava Ukraine

[@markkierznowski6121]

Nazis.

[@arimoff]

The west send hundreds of thousands of ukrainians to slaughter and now they are blaming ukraine. The west, anglosaxons in particular are pure garbage, you're the evidence. Putin tries to tell you, dont invite ukraine in to nato, stay away from their borders, you didnt listen. So now sit down and shut up

[@kevinhorgan2770]

Just say no drugs.

[@VajrahahaShunyata]

Heroyam Slava!! Ukraine is unbreakable

[@user-fz6wx2zk6p]

​@@VajrahahaShunyatayes, what's left of territory and people

[@W_Bin]

They also have ex PM of Russia willing to go back.

[@rahulpotter1]

U.S. : lets keep fighting till last Ukrainian standard.

[@arthurm4726]

One thing not mentioned..the high probability no one would carry out a nuclear strike order…

[@stephenlight647]

Interesting. Just how high do you think that is?

[@arthurm4726]

@@stephenlight647 about *this* high.

[@kennethskuse4710]

Brilliant.

[@rahulpotter1]

18 months and America and West hasn't been able regime change in Russia.

[@williegomu759]

That was their goal but big time fail 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Bjowolf2]

He will probably find a window of opportunity to take his first - and last! - flying lessons from 😂

[@marcelo.n]

Always pleasing to hear Bill Browder - although the subject itself is such an unfortunate one. Very clear, very objective, and yet with such in-depth knowledge of all that is going on in Ukraine. Great presentation!

[@micaeloliveira2727]

Navalni is the same thing as Putin 😮 he's also not the solution

[@lebonericardoramakgala8160]

i dont think Putin needs to deploy a nuclear weapon to escalate he can just destroy one of the three nuclear power plants inside ukraine

[@junegoddarddevon8306]

This is scary someone that down witted

[@amorosogombe9650]

The defeatist frustrate me. The Ukrainians will win IF we equip them!

[@austJW]

the us is sending illegal cluster shells to Ukraine, it just bought 500,000 shells from South Korea and then it has nothing. How do you fight an artillery war with no shells? You have equipped them and its failed.

[@qingzhou9983]

Ukraine could not win before they Defeat Russia after it uses its Nukes. What is the chance of that?

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@austJWThe US, Russian & Ukraine never signed onto this agreement. And Russia’s using cluster munitions anyway. Now crawl back into your bottle, Vanya, and let the liquor finish its work.

[@andrewalderman9489]

@@austJW and Russia is getting shells (of questionable quality) from Noth Korea, US manufacture of shells is also increasing.

[@fredS.622]

bill and ian wow!

[@grunherzjg-5443]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@transputin]

Isn't Trump going to prison before he can run?

[@austJW]

No. Also what happens to Biden during an election if Putin launches a movement (eastern units redeployed to Belarus) to attack Kiev ? Look how much they initially took, but now with 5,000,000 artillery shells & rockets vs 500,000 artillery shells. Would Biden still win?

[@Lothnar5070]

No

[@putte2164]

Hopefully

[@davidlj53]

Not a chance, he will win in 2024

[@putte2164]

​@@davidlj53If so it will prove the us is a joke country😅😅😅

[@mavrom4537]

thanks, the ruling elites made a great job

[@Bluefox1978]

Navalny??? What about Kodorkovsky, Ponomarev or Kasparov?

[@henkiejong1136]

Perhaps Putin is human enough and clever enough not to send nukes to the west, for now.

[@dorothymoore1744]

Well since he wants to be remembered in rhe history books, it's a no go because there'd be no one alive to print/write the book.

[@sheikhrahman7990]

Excellent Analysis Ian! Personal and regime security.

[@williamgatheist1314]

Should D. Trump be elected or even get close to being elected, it would be time to question the over "IQ' level of the American electorate. Hillary was right when she referred to Trump supporters as deplorable!

[@lesliewoinarowicz7018]

Are you serious child?

[@jayp4114]

We assume you are using the gifts of your "High I.Q." living off the tax dollars of your neighbors.

[@JimTimber]

puketin is barking mad and (best case scenario) will end up in a mental hospital with a shaved head and wearing a straitjacket.

[@davorkazancev1608]

My condolences 😢

[@lnv1957]

Compare to the talks & share made by Col.D.Mac Gregor & Marine Officer-Scott Ritter,this sharing is low-graded!!

[@shooster5884]

How could anyone listen to McGregor and Ritter without throwing up.. they admire Putin and genocide.. l am certain that neither of them would or will condemn bombing yesterday by the Russians of people at a wake in Ukraine killing 56 people.

[@williegomu759]

You're right ,low graded speech. They dont match Scott and col. Mc Gregor

[@steffanhoffmann]

"Lies ahead" sort of a play on words. Double Entendres

[@donaldmac1250]

i think putin is the0 most underestimated leader of the last 100 years..im tjinking that he will be around for a long time despite thej wishful thonking

[@giselapfeifer4666]

What about asking: What lies ahead of the US?!? That should concern Americans most of all..

[@andrewalderman9489]

One issue at a time; this is a European panel, not an American one.

[@terry499]

I think we need a Superman to save us. Superman, please come and save us.

[@user-rd3wo7nl9g]

This is exactly what america is all about. The state of idiots.

[@jimmymcgee4101]

I am seeing human life means nothing to this meeting

[@adilsakhi1155]

I have a problem to understand her questions..what national is she from.. I understand English

[@goforit7774]

Dismantling the Ukraine is the key to peace in Europe

[@j.dunlop8295]

North Korean weapons are really poor, when they attacked south Korea, half the N.Korean weapons didn't hit their target and explode! (An island, was the target)

[@whoisme678]

What lies ahead for pooptin? It's an 8x8 square with bars

[@user-fs4kq3tu6r]

We don't know.

[@frankstella8947]

Well said the only way to expell putin is for Russia to loose the war so give unlimited support to ucraine

[@CindyKalbakdalen-zs9us]

I believe trump will be in prison.

[@jayp4114]

And Hunter and Joe Biden will share a cell in Guantanamo Bay together, as well

[@blueclover9918]

Plenty of American milbloggers at least, foresaw the blowing of the dam.

[@berndhofmann752]

Putin will not escalate!!!! This is just anxiety!!!!! Russia wil have a very strong Nato answer!!!!

[@maxhammertruth]

Moderator asks rambling questions. Browder and Bremer are quite insightful.

[@asterixdogmatix1073]

100%.

[@Keltibarian]

Guy with the last question s told they have 30 seconds left and to ask a quick question, and he completely ignores the request and asks some long-winded, rambling question.

[@charlesbeaudry3263]

Putin is ex-KGB and was raised in the communist system and in that kind of system the level of insecurity in the face of uncertainty is extremely high. Faced with the possibility of regime change and personal security he will negotiate. He proved it with Pregozhin.

[@user-fz6wx2zk6p]

USSR had socialist system. Communism is utopia, exists in EU, where some families never had a single job thanks to generous benefits.

[@charlesbeaudry3263]

@@user-fz6wx2zk6p Same thing in "capitalist" USA. Some farmers are paid not to farm. My point is even if what you say is true it does not mean what you think nor can you draw conclusions from an anecdotal example, which BTW you do not even point to.

[@Viktor-bb]

Режимы по всему миру меняли и что сейчас возникает ядерная война

[@Viktor-bb]

​@@user-fz6wx2zk6pа Европа и США это эталон мира😂

[@slavakotelnikov2440]

Success and recognition lies ahead for him

[@susanswapp3939]

My personal nickname for....pres Puooper....

[@user-py6bo1jz2m]

The window.

[@dudcharleville]

What lies ahead period? 😮

[@jimclarke1108]

What lays ahead for him

[@amirdasuki1148]

well bremmer those who you are mentioning are people like you and me they are so free to think for the best of their interest ,so what is eating you?

[@calvindemonte5804]

He doesn’t look terrified

[@henkiejong1136]

Strange that in America democracy is now almost the same as in Russia, political opponents are send to jail. And the people just let it happen .

[@16252]

You think Trump lives like Navalny. I invite you to spend a day in a Russian prison, and tell us about how much it resembled living in a billionaire's villa in Florida.

[@robertginsburg8113]

Your comment shows that either you don't live in the U.S. or understand how things operate in the U.S. or you are an authoritarian bot spreading lies. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

[@L.budz.]

​@@16252thick af

[@nc01sadh]

@,henkiejong.. go to Russia and chant "Putin go to jail" and go to US and chant "Biden go to jail", and see what happens. You are clearly deluded supporter of fascist dictatorVladimir putin.

[@ryan-pf9ud]

Is this a reference to the criminal Trump?

[@danielchrist263]

What about bricks. We see western allies changing camp. What do you call that to russia

[@user-le8sn3xn2i]

One thing i have noticed about Putin is he at the moment is taking every opertunity to make a speech on the world stage. Is it because he is losing the action stuff and blindly trying to ignore it as if it is not happening. Just an observation?

[@marioformosa4259]

Silly. Yes.

[@bg1616]

"Back down" can equally mean "to yield", and the former conjures up cowardly undertones, but the "to yield" conjures up adaptability to a situation.

[@user-mj7fk6gg7s]

Yes, No reverse from a Dictator. Continuous diregard for the laws

[@michaeljennings3207]

Didn't Bill Browder get kicked out of Russia surely he hasn't an axe to grind 😂

[@berndhofmann752]

Support for Ukraine 🇺🇦 now is absolutely necessary!!!! Putin is desperate!!! Because he knows, that he has made a very big fault! And I think that Russians themselves are planning to get rid of him!!!! I think that Europeans 🇪🇺 will do it, because they are more aware they have to take more responsibility!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@chandrashekharsawant9628]

It Seems one need to contemplate a little more deeper. To have more viewpoints than the fixed ones. With truth and justice for humanity in focus. Then the answers may be different. Labelling someone as rogue is fine, that's your privilege. Please try to look beyond that for facts and reality has it's sway finally.

[@adamsksof.348]

A new normal in the European conflict as long as Putin is not removed

[@patmdoda9567]

Removal of Putin by the West in Russia won't happen. Russia is not like those Third World countries the US and its NATO allies always attack

[@MoralScienceEducation]

Brilliant insights shared, which resonate, on the topic of AI being used by, for example, authoritarian regimes. Beyond the current and ongoing initiatives to regulate the (monstrous) capacities in AI, do we have any plans carved out to shortlist Governments, Corporates or Associations, who currently develop, deploy or emable the use of bad cyber governance or AI, unauthorised, illegal, and/or "tweaked" to the detriment of our inner most conscience and privacy, breaking all human rights, relationships, and chances at finding or establishing new relationships, new business, and new work, including in foreign, grand nations. Thank you🙏

[@josephphoenix1376]

AI& Dictators equal The World of the Terminator 😡

[@Viktor-bb]

Причём тут И.И

[@alanwood4968]

Same as the rest of us. Death.

[@eutiquianovillarin1366]

ALL GREAT B.LUNDERER JUST MAKING A LIVING .

[@adamesd3699]

I was worried this would be a fiasco of a discussion. And I was not disappointed.

[@junegoddarddevon8306]

You can be happy in bliss being insane but you can go through ever horror. Lets hope he is the horror type. All in the mind.

[@ImeldaPineda-do2hv]

mmm..Imelda love

[@pelimies1818]

Kil ling and kid napping children, that is considered as a bad career move, don't you think?

[@Erik-Vadee-Veechee]

The big question is why do we care about what Putin thinks when Russia has completely dissolved as a Country. Ukraine will soon wash them down but the Russian mindset is similar to a hermit kingdom like NK.

[@keithsteele5580]

What lies ahead for putin, not much, what you sow ,you also reap.

[@douglascraig1587]

The UK will continue its support for Ukraine regardless of the American elections.

[@patmdoda9567]

UK is a lapdogs of the US. As soon the US changes its foreign policy the UK will follow suit

[@Viktor-bb]

Великобритания особенно ми 6

[@douglascraig1587]

@@Viktor-bb No No GREEDY RUSSIA NOT ONE WESTERN STEP FORWARD MR PUTIN 🙄 GLORY UKRAINE ..

[@adisar6470]

It depends where you standing…..is failure if one comes from the west

[@jorgemario1586]

What a trio!

[@johnlawrence8738]

Chronic paranoia and such people will never trust anyone

[@AmaPeters-pj6pm]

I dtoll have fsith in juman intelligence. Thr doliyoon eill mote coperstoon between China and the US