What makes a Smash stage legal?

[@CONEYZZ]

CHECK OUT NEW CHANNEL youtube.com/@coneyclips ! It's gonna have other stuff from the stream that didn't make it to the main channel so don't miss out !!

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Awesome video!

[@Xanek]

Coney should have a 1v1 match against Brawlternative to see who is the better at knowing Brawl.

[@sonarchy5158]

And by that I hope you mean a 1v1 boxing match That's the most accurate way to measure Brawl knowledge

[@poiri]

@@sonarchy5158Coney will trip immediately after throwing his first punch, and thus be crowned the winner.

[@CarbonMalite]

They should play a Bo5 in Ultimate while answering Brawl questions under duress

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

@@poiri Coney the kinda guy to Throw a punch, miss his enemy, spin like a tornado, and land the hit on himself.

[@JoeStinker-ip9mr]

@@poirithe flight of coney

[@stormfox7592]

The one things platform fighters hate the most is platforming

[@lordmew5]

This just isn't true. This is a specifically new player thing. Ask any old player above the age of 25, and more than 60% of them will be perfectly fine playing something like brinstar

[@ThatBoiDinky]

@@lordmew5hey, you need the definition of the word joke or is it setting in that this one flew over your head?

[@illford]

​@lordmew5 i mean ill play on brinstar but there are always going to be better stages. People still gentleman to stupid stuff but in competition people want to win and don't want to play on a crazy coin flip stage. The actual change is that people are just more competitive now, back then people were still somewhat casual even if they cared. They were very willing to to do stupid stuff for fun.

[@RobotMeatMan]

"And we've got 2 geriatrics winning in melee too" made me deep belly laugh.

[@SnuggsMcDuff]

it's the indignant "what do you want me to do about that?" that gets me

[@Slug_ssbm]

13:15 Dad brought out his highschool football tapes again.

[@thelastthingyoulleversee]

HAhahah

[@sparki9085]

"hit 'em with the Funko pop!" Is such a terrifying threat

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Vacation really made coney dig all the way back to July to find something to make a video out of, that’s crazy

[@Hikaru1468]

0:30 that angry "Shall we?" is absolute gold

[@Kappy0]

OMG I remember that launch night. A group of college kids rolled up and said they had imported the game from Japan and had been practicing so my friends & I were kinda worried about fighting them, but they all managed to lose LOL Think we actually followed most of the rules except for the 1-min timer, which was changed to 2 minutes. I played Mario the entire tournament and won the whole thing in sudden death against one of those college kids because Mario's Dash Attack traded with Pit's Side B and got a dope trophy for it. Definitely one of things that inspired me to seriously compete in Brawl as I entered college :)

[@thenutwizard]

The trick is that the more fun a stage is, the lower chances it has of being legal

[@flying7900]

It's confirmed guys, 75m is peak stage design

[@thenutwizard]

@@flying7900 with such beautiful music how could it not be

[@kyallon1213]

@@flying7900dude base gnw is invisible, it’s literally perfect

[@grunkleg.2934]

PAC-LAND too

[@smoceany9478]

every big or moving stage excluding temple should be legal

[@RufioTheThird]

Genuinely surprised Coney hasn't made a stage tier list. Someone please let me know if he has in a stream I haven't seen or something Not saying he should, it just feels like he must've

[@PixelsOPlenty]

NGL, that'd be a lot of fun.

[@RufioTheThird]

@@PixelsOPlenty That's what I'm saying, bro

[@officernealy]

Imagine Shadow Moses not being banned. Better yet, imagine Shadow Moses being made worse in Ultimate by Stage Hazard toggle making the two watchtowers permanent.

[@skid_does]

God I remember this launch. My gamestop didn't even let us choose our character. It was set to random and whoever you got you were through the tournament. I was excited because I got Dedede, but then everyone got pissed because we all had to use the wiimote and nunchuck attachment to play. It was full on panic mode for most everyone trying to learn the controls. First match I won with a waddle dee in sudden death against PT, the second match I won against a wario when we both were off stage on our last stocks just trying to get back. By sheer luck my up b landed on the poor wario players head. I don't remember who I lost too.

[@cdjblue]

Same. We were forced to use wiimote nunchuk at ours, but not random characters. We had two or three minutes - stages must have been random because my first match was on the *default large custom stage*. (Oh! Exactly as described at 3:30.) My first opponent (Ike) was incredibly incompetent, so I had plenty of time to learn the controls. I made it to the finals, but a Kirby can only do so much against a Samus (that gets the only Smash Ball of the game). The crowd was definitely on my side until I ate that one, heh.

[@LinktotheFuture-zs9km]

Bring back PokèFloats True ?

[@BlazingJ972]

TRUUEEE

[@HerMajestyVelvet]

Extremely

[@phantomaigis2291]

Smash politics ICANT

[@obviouslyanonymous]

The person in chat talking about it not being fair for stages to affect meta relevance is stupid. That's already how it works, you just don't realize it because it's been the same stages for so long. If Nintendo had decided on a walkoff as their first neutral stage instead of Battlefield, we would currently have all bottom blast zone stages banned because they benefit characters with good aerials too much. It's all a matter of what the meta has evolved around for so long.

[@Thatdudejosh9]

I know this is about brawl but in terms of legality, but I still think Spring Stadium should have been 100% legal in Ultimate, I don’t care what people say about those two small corner ceilings.

[@Godlysound]

Honestly the jump pads are more of a problem to me since you become a giant hitbox jumping off them and it leads to pretty biased situations. It could have been an interestingly unbalanced countrrpick for certain characters

[@AJTower_]

@@Godlysoundi assume the mean hazards off

[@Godlysound]

@@AJTower_ you right 💀

[@spartacusthememelord6890]

Spring Stadium's the ARMS one right?

[@Swing_Bonnie]

Spring Stadium has a gimmick that I absolutely love with the really small ceiling that is: do I risk dying earlier to maybe save myself by DI-ing into the wall or do I hope a pray that go DI will save me after getting hit by a really strong hit, but at this point unless spectators start throwing a fit we are gonna be looking at nothing but astro turf until Smash 6

[@kaloncpu57]

I thought I missed a Brawlternative upload, but this is just coming out further apart than usual. The Dedede up tilt moment is so good

[@Godlysound]

Brawl probably has the best memories for me mostly due to subspace, and I had a friend that would try all star with me. Smash 4 I discovered competitive play and smash was never the same

[@ramonathomson6575]

legalize frigate orpheon

[@grunklesam787]

Legalize fridge orphan.

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Legalize windy hill zone

[@Welpidk]

7:56 Bro the way he says this line killed me, wtf does nana do on rainbow cruise tho

[@jjsmith6924]

I hate that I was playing persona 3 while watching this and kept asking "why the fuck is the music doubled??"

[@Draenen]

As someone who spent years in esports in the shooter scene, I cannot possibly emphasize how CORRECT CONEY IS. Melee has been a horribly stagnant scene. Only recently have people begun having fun experimenting with competitiveness again. We had a yoshi dub and DK make waves. So rarely does a game gift players this much choice while also gifting players the ability to form a comp scene. Allowing stronger counterpicks would force the Smash comp scene to grow and evolve, and probably even grow in popularity. And hell, using more of the game's features would make Nintendo look on their unloved child a bit kinder

[@Draenen]

8:32 -- it didn't let me put it in the post

[@Draenen]

18:23 yo I'm the same as Coney this way (at first) 😂

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

Utilizing the underrated/Niche stuff instead of doing what everyone else does will make anyone feel so much better,

[@bibbyboxx2219]

If you think Melee has been stagnant aside from Amsa and Junebug then I don’t know what to tell you.

[@yecksd]

13:35 you and this damn set

[@TonyTheTGR]

I made the third screen North in I Wanna Be The Guy as a custom and my friends HATED THE FUCK OUTTA ME FOR IT. I live for that shit. BD

[@VerbDoesStuff]

To answer your question, because TOs with egos the size of the moon decide so

[@SeikOsito]

"Coney there's a pm tech chaser that's 40" Okay but you can also just tank a full ass hit if you grab someone in PM

[@zs9652]

Tbf that was in Melee too but much stronger. You don't even take damage

[@illford]

Ngl I don't even think that's a problem.

[@legendarysoil1064]

Castle Seige is low key a sick stage and I’m kinda sad we don’t have it in Ult nowadays.

[@marktheheartbeats1396]

Me and my best friend in elementary/junior high would play brawl after school, and I think our most played stage was maze, even though my friend said he made the stage. I played pit, and he played samus, but he changed to link because “he’s a better character” which I am 90% sure is still bad. Maze was a wild time

[@AyyKayy-n3u]

Smash Ultimate rules should include Castle Seige again

[@margo3558]

9:09 *MATTMAN* MENTIONED 🗣️🔥‼️

[@liampullman1198]

Rahhhhhhhh!!!!!!. What the fuck is a rig less run!?!?!??

[@bastiaanhoffmans1762]

👀

[@LikelyForgiven]

Sample L Maze was where the grand finals of the nintendoworldreport japanese launch party tournament was fought. An appropriate punctuation to the evening to be sure. (My brother won as Ike.)

[@theotherjared9824]

Smash players are the last group to ask what is and isn't legal.

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

Age of Consent moment 2020

[@Thefrogking15]

The chad tekken random vs the virgin smash stagelist

[@santosoju4109]

That's real most groups/clubs I've been in eventually become the we play mafia every day group and it rocks

[@bregghaines1656]

Injustice 1 had stage counterpicks as well. Sajam had a sick video about how weird that game was

[@666blaziken]

The pigskin has got to be the dumbest fighting game interaction I've ever seen

[@khaliffequet335]

Twitch chat doesn't understand how good of a Gamer Coney is. He's just so goddamn good!

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

I can relate hard

[@crayon884]

13:41 Chat would be like “It’s just moving the stick and pressing a button” and it’s for EWGF

[@joshathanshitposts7974]

What PM player was being mentioned in the video about reaction tech chasing at 40?

[@adv78]

Finally a react to this video, I'm waiting for this since I watched the brawlternative video the first time

[@jurgenvlaar2754]

I remember early ultimate where people were thinking many new stages opened up because of turning off stage hazards. But that didn't last long in the slightest

[@megadoyourmom64]

Ironically it probably made the problem worse because stages like Dreamland, Yoshis Story, and FoD effectively became BF clones and stages like Smashville became completely different to play on without moving plats. And then, whatever stages BENEFITTED from no hazards (Castle siege losing the walk-off transformation, Halberd losing the claw and the laser, Warioware losing the microgames) the fandom was too coddled and unwilling to try new things to make them legal because "wahhh there's a walkoff for 5 seconds at the start of halberd" or "bawwww castle siege has s-s-slopes!!!" Big shame, bc I'm sick of PS2.

[@JJSquirtle]

I used to say a relatively neutral stage that adds something of purpose to the metagame either as a starter or a counterpick. I now say "anything that stalls and further stagnates a zoner-dominant meta" considering one pixel blastzone differences is "too much variation" these days.

[@mariolinkmon101]

Wanting to play Lucas cause upsmash looks cool is the exact reason I mained him

[@thisfeaturewontlastlong]

Placed third at my Brawl midnight launch - first time with Pit, had a blast!

[@user-bkey]

everytime coney brings out the highschool football tapes i just wonder what the hell does his tag mean

[@kaiyedy828]

“Castle Siege lasted all the way until 2013 in tournaments” Me playing at Sm4sh tournaments in Kentucky in 2015 with Castle Seige, Halberd, Kongo Jungle and more legal: 👁👄👁

[@Crackey75]

22:15 why is coney so funny

[@esrohm6460]

people may hate to hear this but a moving stage is actually a good thing as it is the ultimate answer to camping when the blast zone just moves into you when you start camping. if the stages that do it are good is another question

[@b1ab1b-hexcolor]

0:16 I have another idea to make Brawlternetive fall of donate to him so that after he counts his money and People will leave because it takes so much time😤

[@Waynegameandwatch]

Secretly coney is carlito and brawl and this is his way of promoting his new channels

[@afoxy2028]

Wait what this is carlito?

[@megadoyourmom64]

@@afoxy2028 Yes, Carlito and Coney are the same person.

[@jameswoodland2719]

I love when Coney talks about Brawl.

[@cadetsparklez3300]

coney pulls out that one jump against m2k every other episode

[@byrontheusurper6505]

Persona 4 coming out in 2008 is NUTS to me

[@byrontheusurper6505]

GOD I love his videos!

[@plabcentral630]

Coney trying to tell us that brawlternative is a sample l maze.

[@bradfjord]

"God Im so fucking good" got me

[@Cerialos]

Bath went triple platinum with my cousins and i

[@iamataldi]

2:54 persona 4 mentioned sigh

[@Bringingmoneyback]

It's weird here in Coney call out lazy mattman like that. You know the funny binding of Isaac guy

[@AustyLaVista]

the midwest def had the craziest stages of all time

[@Hamhamsnoozer]

I went to one of the midnight release tournaments. They made us all play with wiimote and nunchuck, it was complete ass. I got 3rd

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Awesome Smash video!

[@JetsFittedUp]

this guy reminds me of slime Anders gaming had no hate in his heart

[@YOSSARIAN313]

I won my first two rounds of one of those m midnight tournaments because i got lucky and picked meta knight. I just spammed the special button over and over

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

It's all Based on vibes.

[@tyleryoder9032]

Bring back Lylat for Ultimate. Also both Melee and Brawl Yoshi stages. Edit: Make Castle Siege and Wario Ware legal in Ultimate.

[@Tinybutfearless]

I’m so distracted by the banger music

[@WrenAgain2112]

Coney, can you explain to me why rainbow cruise was ever legal? I get wanting to have variation from boring stages, but still

[@joplin4434]

there's no hitlag in brawl so it is fine* *except for MK, which is why it was banned

[@Color_Splsh]

because traveling stages didn't have the reputation they have now. iirc, pokefloats was still legal in melee at that point.

[@justforlawlsandtrolls]

Me when three react videos in a row

[@tubbytubbersun]

Nah that up b from coney was clean af chats just hating to hate

[@masterofdoots5965]

Legalize Yoshi's Island for competitive Smash Ultimate

[@BlackkGuardd]

i saw this on stream

[@fauxdude9756]

welcome back from vacation conert, now back to the react slop mines with ye

[@roryrainbow77]

Coney content FARMER legend

[@xeviousbread1280]

Coney smash-posting

[@TreyMcDonaldAnimator]

That's how you get 'em. Subscribe so they lose.

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

Sky world=Nightmare world for tether recoveries 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MapleLunii]

What makes them legal? How much they annoy the people that play them probably lmao

[@captain_deadpool806]

Certified brawl knower

[@Ztrawby]

i hope we get another backrooms social media and dev control must be DELETED for it works but imagine people making decisions about iron giant all on their own

[@mr.mcguffin1575]

Jumpking for 2009🤣

[@five_6_seven_8]

Bring back corneria :)

[@Y0urPostman]

cone

[@ostrelephant]

WANG CHUNG???

[@RaspyCh]

Coney ngl I forgot you made smash content and during that time of forgetfulness I was happy. Now I am not.

[@KujoPlatinum]

Conway

[@k.w.a.m]

Who the fuck mentioned chaloopy in coney’s chat

[@mfllu_]

HI CONEY

[@anthonygillette]

Stage variance is good for smash bros Smash bros is a “platform fighter” Please see the key word Platform

[@Str8EdgeJesse]

Finally!!!

[@Sompursone]

FELLAS

[@birtchtree3352]

L maze best stage for casual play

[@UnchainedPandoran]

The best Smash Bros. Stage is Warioware Inc. Just sayin’

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Smash players be like "NO I don't want to think about the meta relevace of stages' platforms in my platform fighting game, to FD we gooooooooo"

[@anothenblue2630]

And that's how you know someone is parroting the same nonsense with zero thought behind it. FD enables nonsense that platforms would otherwise prevent and that's why it's not always a regular legal stage.

[@grunkleg.2934]

You mean PS2, that's every competitive Ultimate player's favorite stage

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

@@grunkleg.2934 I love Lylat

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

LEGALIZE WUHU ISLAND

[@firestarwaca8336]

Time to watch this pretender react to the one true Brawl channel

[@cFrogjar]

always hated when people say smuhfoursh, just not funny

[@Lysvsyl]

Brawlternative being exemplary of smash players hating fun once again.

[@DannyCheezits]

Dying to a chaingrab at 0% isn't fun nor is getting sharked by metaknight for an entire game

[@Lysvsyl]

@@DannyCheezitsWhat a good faith argument!

[@lorddeecee]

Wow coney really hates this guy

[@cadetsparklez3300]

coney hugo aint winning in melee