What Makes Star Citizen So Frustrating And How To Fix It?

Star Citizen is endless potential held back by frustration.
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[@Norad222]

I agree, this should be a game, not real life or mimicking RL. They have been making this game so close to being just like working a job/2nd job.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

"We go to the point of realism, and bring it back to the point of fun."

[@mistawilson6990]

Was thinking the same. Elite dangerous does this on purpose so they can impress investors with how much time people are playing the game. Rsi doesn't have investors outside of crowd funding so this doesn't make sense. What possible motive is there to waste our time?

[@mistawilson6990]

The removal of global inventory was the most spiteful waste of time I've ever seen in a game. Why do I have to manually drag a crate around? I get that it's more realistic, but there's a limit to how much reality we're willing to tolerate in entertainment. If reality was that good no one would play any game ever.

[@ivanbluetarski9071]

why do you want to make it just like every other game ?

[@mistawilson6990]

@@OddJobEntertainment I think something like Skyrim is the a right amount of realism VS fun. There's no way you can sword fight 6 bandits while carrying 3 suits of armor in a backback but it's lasted just a long as SC in terms of relesese date and current day relevance.

[@moomanseven]

If they would fix controller interface so I didn’t loose my joystick settings all the time that would be nice too

[@GizOfWar]

Try looking at joystick gremlin well help with that

[@moomanseven]

@ thanks, I’m sure there are thousands of work arounds to just try to play the game, any sim at a minimum should properly support input devices

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Oh boy, if you've caught any recent streams you'll know all about the struggles I've been having. My keyboard and its dongle are both being recognized as joysticks. So when I juggle keybinds with "pp_resortdevices joystick ##" I have to manage 4 inputs. That means I have the following combinations: 12, 13, 14, 23, 21, 24, 31, 32, 34, 41, 42, 43

[@GizOfWar]

@OddJobEntertainment you may beable to use gremlin aswell to avoid that

[@moomanseven]

@@OddJobEntertainment thank you for manning the front lines on this: I’m staying uninstalled and behind cover until SC is playable again (uninstalled since 2019 waiting on a playable 4.0)

[@McMovesdotcom]

i work a lot, hardly get to play. when i do, bugs stop me

[@joshjonson2368]

Chris Roberts disapproves this because he wants this game to be so cinematic and tedious even kojima would gasp

[@sjoer]

The time from when I hear a ship when I fiddle boxes in my Vulture to where I interact with my chair? Boom... gone.

[@Slooty]

My personnel gripe is having to scroll wheel every time after getting out of a bed to walk slightly faster

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Oh boy, that one too. It seems especially egregious with the most recent update. Not sure why that is.

[@GizOfWar]

@OddJobEntertainment have you tried changing the mouse sensitivity for how many times you scroll i don't have that issue at all 🤔

[@STRFDR]

I have multiple accounts and play on multiple PCs there is only one account that does this. And it happens across multiple PCs so I'm not sure what's going on with that. Been trying to find a fix for this cuz it's annnnnoooyyinng.

[@GizOfWar]

@STRFDR only one 🤔 maybe it's in the data profile folder maybe dry check if there's something mouse wheel related inside could fix it

[@validusskywyrd]

That bothers me so much. I am also conditioned in other games to use the scroll wheel to zoom in and out, so this messes me up really bad. Suddenly moving very slowly and wondering why I can’t zoom when I know this game has a zoom feature. I definitely don’t play this alpha enough for its controls to be the “default” my brain goes for. It feels the opposite of intuitive to me and gets rather annoying.

[@glynjowsey6904]

add a separate small vehicle and atls elevator to the side of the main hangar so you can bring up these vehicles at the same time as your ship. No need to waste time shuffling them around the edge of the hangar so they don't disappear the moment you call the ship up. a real time waster

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Originally, it was supposed to use the freight elevator for vehicles. But there was an issue with that. As far as I know, that's still the plan.

[@sebc8938]

It is worst in Pyro as the hangar have nearly no edge.

[@obiincs]

Add stairs and an exit to all residential areas at main cities and some landing pads where you have another option to call your ships as an alternative option to hangers to avoid being stuck by broken Trains and Elevators.

[@sebc8938]

The fact is that instead of adding stairs, ladders and alternate route, they have added cargo and ship elevators, new time sinks and bug possibilities. Now there are cargo elevators also in outposts. And new Pyro outposts also have lifts but by chance they are double with ladders. Do you remember old versions when the only possible FPS combat was in bunkers behind a lift that was non responsive half of the time ?

[@linkmasterms]

We live in 2900...we dont need stairs or elevators. We need simple beam like in Star trek. Beamstation everywhere instead of trains and other transit. At every station, hangar respawn should always be the basic. Every hangar has useless "medi-area". They can easy use this for respawn. When the ship is broken and i pay auac for fast respawn, there should be no wait time. Paying money for instant ship claim.

[@sebc8938]

@@linkmasterms Not sure as it also destroy the game ambiance. Starfield for instance seems to went to far on the instant move with loading screens even across the Galaxy thus destroying the impression of being in a space game.

[@firelad80]

I believe more people should adopt the mindset of bandaid bug fixes are bad. If they added in reputation, they'd have an argument to removing the armistice zones, so bounties could be acquired on the ground in landing zone. I guess what I'm saying is that every time I hear about a new bug that is going to be fixed by a new system, or old bandaids that are going to be fixed by a new system, and until that new system comes out more bandaids are put into place, when I'd rather be testing the buggy new system and geting that fixed instead

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Very true. In theory, rep should fix a lot of things. But we can't test it yet, and that is an issue like you say.

[@firelad80]

@@OddJobEntertainment we don't get a reason of why we can't test it, though. Even if they added in the rep system, it doesn't stop a bunch of other bugs, but the more they work on bandaid fixes, the more they aren't adding new systems. Why isn't engineering in the game?

[@Kneejair]

An incompetent dev team. Failing for a decade

[@firstone2917]

I would like CIG to have a good watch of this as you have some very good fixes to what we are used too.

[@laurentjerry1149]

This is fine and all but if the elevators dont work and ship disapear during landing, who the hell cares about minor ui frustration ?

[@OddJobEntertainment]

When I said "bugs notwithstanding" that phrase is probably the hardest working ever uttered by man. But I want to focus this video on core structure, not things that are bugged.

[@Crivicus]

Much of last year they spent trying to introduce more friction to make everything matter more - like there wasn't enough already. Moving away from waking in the habs and reducing the time the ship takes to raise from the hangar would reduce some of the splendor for first time players though. What they need are options that long time players can use to speed things up, just like in Freelancer you could fly up to the rings or gates and get a quick version, in star citizen they could have it so you can bed log from a ship in the hangar and you wake up there for example. This means that players that don't want to deal with the walk can log in on the ship in the hangar and can prep for whatever they are doing that day. I love your idea of having a screen for ship equipping they already have one for ship components so why not just add the various lockers and storage spaces as options to fill on that. Hopefully they will when they finally get around to looking at it again. For the trams and trains they have an obvious solution to me. We already have various non space vehicles so why not let us use them. Roads and air roads for using our own vehicles on would work. They could even be slower but people would do it as part of the fun of traveling from the hab or medical with mates and racing each other back to the hangars. Take this with your idea of having the ability to pre prep from a screen and you could have your default vehicle out which you could drive to then on to the default/pre prepared ship. It may take longer than jumping on the faster tram but if you need the vehicle on the ship anyway then it would be worth it and adds to the fun (not to mention makes the vehicles more useful). They are a long way from this though and I feel like they haven't really considered what to do when it comes to ground vehicles beyond the very basic you need it to get in under the radar/guns.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I do like the intent of making ground vehicles more useful. I think there are other ways to do that though. I wouldn't want anything that takes even more time to accomplish.

[@nrogado]

Shut up and buy more ships! LOL

[@OddJobEntertainment]

If I buy just one more, then it will all get fixed overnight, right?

[@moomanseven]

@@nrogado you know, after this video I actually canceled my renewal on my SC subscription, I’m done giving them money

[@EricLing64]

They're literally obsessed with making it a "simulation" instead of a game. And it shows in game breaking issues literally every patch. They were trying to make bedsheet physics at some point. I don't know if they still are but it shows how their priorities were really bad at that point at least.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I remember that, we did get "Star Cloth" out of it. It is more applicable than you might realize. But when the environment is so janky, it's hard to see the fruits of it.

[@Semabachos]

Honestly, I still love this broken mess. So far, starting from 3.2.4 nothing has stopped me from playing.

[@ColbyWanShinobi]

Love it! Excellent suggestions. I hope they see this

[@OddJobEntertainment]

That's what I'm hoping for.

[@jimflagg4009]

The old system before the F was this way. We have asked and asked to go back to the old system.

[@brexxes]

I found a Taurus today and while touring the inside I accidentaly lied in one of the upper beds... what a painful (literaly) experience... There are so many things that could improve QOL... Hopefully they keep their promise and focus on playabilty for now.

[@QuannetSingLeaf]

I don't mind the immersion stuff that can take a long time to get to what I want. I really mind the bugfest has been around in this trash tech demo for years

[@wilsonh6844]

I don't consider moving boxes from one location to another is enjoyable.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I don't either, there's a lot of things I can think of that would make it better. But I don't think it will ever be something I'm passionate about and that's okay as long as it's fun for the kind of person that does like cargo.

[@trinzania]

I think the sole target of CIG is to keep players logged in as much time as possible and selling stuff with real money. By a broken and slow system the first option is reached and the more thw 2nd option is done it feeda to option one in one viscous cycle.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I think this may be overly cynical, but I do see why people think this. I think a big part of this though may be that with little to show in the way of a fleshed out game, the devs may be more financially desperate than we realize. If the game were solid, I think it would sell itself. But up until now it has been a question if SM would even work. I really hope we see trends of change this year. That's my litmus test.

[@ThaKidd-RSI]

This needs to get in front of CIG ASAP. Couldn't agree more with the ideas represented here!

[@stuartburns8657]

They don't play their own 'game', isn't it obvious?

[@ThaKidd-RSI]

@@stuartburns8657 yep, sure looks that way

[@fourfoxgaming]

I don't like it, this makes too much sense

[@sweeg5808]

Hard agree about animations being too slow and cumbersome, especially with the new instanced hangar system causing queues that just have you sitting and waiting an additional few minutes just for the doors to open, it’s excruciating after a while. The newer FPS features like loading magazines from reserves and looting feel much more smooth and crisp, and the rest of the basics (getting in and out of seats or up and down ladders for example) desperately need a pass that pares down on the animation time or something

[@sebc8938]

Chris Robert wants to do a film, not a game. Thus everything use an animation that has been mocaped in their own studio in Manchester with some professional actors. They are thus as slow as real life. This is also very annoying because you cannot do anything on ladders or chairs even if they have promised it several times. You even have to get out of the chair to drink if you remember to remove your helmet (and die after because you forgot to put it back ...)

[@Gheazu]

if they do this there no more game play in SC u have 2 space station 1 bunker and 3 POI that is all and they copy paste u get to move cargo, salvage , mining, kill npc on ground or in space and non of this lets call them jobs are interconnected in 4h u see it all u done it all , so time sinking is the best way to keep players not notice the lack of content and the copy paste assets

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I did make a video on this subject you may enjoy exploring "gameplay connections"

[@linkmasterms]

100% agree. SC need in first months of 2025 before Release Engineergameplay and Basebuilding a big "rework". There is so much gameplay grows ober 12 years which need rework, bugfix, polsih, balancing.... SC has now a very good basic incl. 4.0 base code + Servermeshing so rework makes sence.

[@BR1ZZO]

You can get out of bed by moving forward or pressing w.. the keybinds are there out of luxury to do more. My only caveat to an otherwise well stated video

[@j.d.4697]

Bullshit, an alpha will never be mainstream just like driving a car while it is being built is only for a few hardcore people.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Agree to disagree I suppose. A good game is a good game. SC isn't there yet, but it could be.

[@Avallachgrey]

But muh realism! And yes I agree in star citizen we don't even have the technology of today. We have ftl tech but don't have a way to use a phone to get missions.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Uber, store apps, Amazon, work from home, literally no need to drive one's self or even leave home if someone so desired.

[@Avallachgrey]

@OddJobEntertainment correct, there is no allowance for the kinds of technologies that would naturally spring from a FTL capable civilization.

[@Raedon_VoGraza]

Is hangar spawning a thing now? Every time I log on I spawn in a hab, and have to transit to my hangar.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

It is in PTU, it's not on in LIVE

[@reneckg7vqs18]

Elevators

[@Tynrova]

It's called find an org. Boom, roasted.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I mean, yeah, that's what people should do. New players won't know that and a lot of the critique I give centers around onboarding. Maybe I'm not understanding your point.

[@rotehoffnung]

Your words in CIGs ears

[@kVidStream]

I would happy if I could do just 4 different game loops consistently, but kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGXPi2ahgKqKsLs

[@pigskinrode0]

You nailed on so many areas that I myself 💯 agree. What you spoke was right on. You presented the issue along with a constructive way of making it better. I just sub to your channel. I look forward to your future content.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

It's good to have you here!

[@DrinkingGMR]

I mostly agree with your assessments; however, I do disagree in one particular area. That being gating progression of items behind content I have no interest in. If there becomes a way for logistic players to achieve the same items through crafting or mission content favoring that style of play, then fine, these are alternatives. It is not enough to say that something is the way it is because it's that way in other games. A bad idea does not become a good idea because it is repeated a thousand times. IRL I can live my entire life without going to exceedingly dangerous place to "find" things. I would argue that the almost no PvP player would be that IRL. Because IRL there are extreme consequences. Additionally, it is extremely unlikely looking at the condition of Pyro that a single item, let alone high-level items would be manufactured there. This game touts itself as allowing players to play the game the way they want. Absolutely nothing in ANY game is more divisive than PvP. Forcing players to participate in the single worse (for non-PvP oriented players) activity so they can grow their character or ship is wrong. It is as bad as games that gate everything behind cash shops so that they can be "free-to-play". This game needs alternate means to an end, not forced participation is games loops that don't interest a massive group of players.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Player trade is how you solve that IRL.

[@sunoncream1118]

its perpetual alpha bisness model , its like take 2 and ksp 2 , but with only one studio XD

[@seamus_o_ra]

I prefer the realism. Games that don’t have animations to make things feel real lose my attention and appreciation quickly. Star Citizen has its own style and its own unique focus on realism in comparison to other games. Let it be its own thing and stop trying to fit it into the boxes of other games. May none of your suggestions around speeding things up come into play

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Well, thanks for watching. I don't see the game getting enough funding to exist long term if they don't make concessions. But again, faster is more realistic anyway.

[@tizianfischer4853]

good points👍maybe when u would rule over CIG instead of CR it would be gettin a game... now i think with every patch they show us they are not able to do it

[@gu9838]

the issue for me is i can no longer play it on my pc. at all. i have a i7 4.2 ghz cpu and 16 gigs of ram and a 1080 gtx ti . its like 7 years old but still decent enough to run most games and thanks to the updates star citizen is a slide show for me now..........apparently the cpu is bottlenecking it and i cant even really run it. its horrible. but its not even half done yet sooo lol.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I have a 5800x3D and a 3080TI and 64gb RAM. I'm not doing too much better framewise. These promised optimizations are sorely needed.

[@madmechanic7976]

It's not fixed 😂 that's what keeps me.

[@GabrielBandeira-x8x]

De primeira achei que alterando oque você disse colocaria SC em um patamar do Elite dangerous, mas realmente estes ambientes precisam ter um motivo para termos que andar atualmente, diversas vezes prefiro ir a um land pad de uma lua que voltar para uma estação espacial

[@OddJobEntertainment]

parece portuges, no hablo portuges pero si hablo espanol y como entiendo los que hablan portuges tipicamente pueden entender espanol. Estoy de acuerdo que todavia hay muchas diferencias entre ED y SC. Aun siendo que tienen casi la misma meta en fin.

[@cszulu2000]

Too much time waisted to just get playing .

[@briangueringer3673]

There is no way this is going to be a good game from a design standpoint. Its not that there are good ideas and the tech needs to be worked out, its bad from the start. I came back after 3.18, when I left flight felt "good". 4.0😂 Its the worst feeling flight model I think I have ever played. The only game I have played that has flight this bad is NMS.... I went back to Elite and its funny how a bunch of the concepts you are talking about are things they did 10 years. You can log in, grab any mission type you want and be doing that activity in a couple of minutes tops. If you want to just go mine or fight in a ring you logged at, you can log in and be there in a minute or 2... I simple dont see them overcoming every single system anytime soon. If it turns out that they are in fact in financial teouble and have to cut people at some point this year, this problem will just get worse. CR is never going to allow this fame to be good from a gameplay perspective, he is doing things that were cutting edge 10 years ago. The industry has simply moved on from these old ideas, well the good ones... Its not looking good for SC, I have thought about the fact afyer you put all the bugs aside and just focus on whats there when it works, none of it feels good at all. I have no interest in server meshing (I know it would be a major thing in tech) but I will never notice if I am in a server with 1,000 people or 100... Flight though that takes the cake, its so objectively bad😂

[@OddJobEntertainment]

Yeah, it's a really tricky thing to try and get right. It's not easy to make flight feel good in a persistent universe with thousands of players all interacting. It's not like playing a game in your living room.

[@sebc8938]

Even with MM, ship combat is not very cinematic. You never have the DCS feel of shooting missiles, seeing the destroyed plane falling to the ground and the excitation of dogfight when you get behind the target or worse when they are in your six. even with big ships, the feeling is far form the ambiance of WWII fighter versus bombers.

[@kVidStream]

You're a better game play designer.

[@validusskywyrd]

Stop it. You’re making too much sense. Expecting to set up a sale before I reach the landing pad? Making a futuristic game as convenient as the present day is absurd! Those sort of daily convenience features would only be implemented for the super wealthy anyway. One would have to be a ship captain at the very least. Oh, wait… now I see it. 😉 Cool video 😎

[@OddJobEntertainment]

I know, right? 😂

[@SlavenFlash]

Good points. I bought SC years years ago. It was buggy, always in alpha. Years laters, I have AMD 3700x CPU and 7800XT GPU. Games like cyberpunk and starfields, which are made alot later and had alot of less money for making - no bugs, excelent performace. I tried 3 days ago to retry StarCitizen, watched youtube to play tutorial. Short story: 30-ish fps at 1080p, elevators dont work, quest markers stop appearing in TUTORIAL. I tried few hours to replay tutorial - no go. So if tutorial does not work - how could anything else. So much money - so little bugfixes. Bye SC for now. 5 years from now it will still be in alpha..

[@dasmoools606]

A better idea for the bed thing. Just press W? its done with sitting already, just apply it to beds. For logging out? well.. they're already rethinking that, we'll be able to just log out in our ships and relog, so.. yea, honestly I'm close to giving SC a pass for awhile. Don't get me wrong, when SC behaves, its an awesome experience! the kind of interactions I've had with other players is amazing, but.. how often do you think SC behaves? Spending 45mins to an hour JUUUSSTTT getting to your ship to play the game, is not fun, its not engaging. As for the hangers.. look, I get it. It's cool the first few times when you see your big shiny ship rising up, presented to you. but.. after that, its a chore, its me just now standing around, waiting for my ship so I can play the damn game. After spending an hour just GETTTTINNGG to the hanger at a landing zone, i dont wanna spend an extra 10mins watching my ship sllooowllllly rise from some magical storage center.

[@OddJobEntertainment]

W does work as well.

[@steve-us2hg]

How do i fix... Lost every ship i bought. Lost every single piece of gear. Lost 280 mil

[@OddJobEntertainment]

That's rough.

[@fakeFeetus]

This community is like 7 years late on these critique videos

[@OddJobEntertainment]

it's not that it's late, this has been going on since the beginning. But CIG says that it's time to focus on playability, so it's just the latest round of critiques in the hopes we're heard.