What's new in Maschine+ 1.2.15 | Native Instruments

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@kylew706
@kylew706 3 жыл бұрын
Also GUYS in case anybody is wondering.. I connected my steinberg ur816c interface to the maschine plus through usb and it worked just as well as the native instruments komplete audio 6 interface did, which is what I was using prior. It was literally plug and play right out of the box! Giving you 8 inputs and 8 outputs! Now I have my whole studio running into maschine plus on their own tracks/inputs. Hugeeeee!
@sunnyschramm9650
@sunnyschramm9650 3 жыл бұрын
same here with the focusrite scarlett 18i8 - even before the new patch :-) running my moog, my lyra-8, etc. into the maschine+ and use the internal effects on my hardware. love it
@kylew706
@kylew706 3 жыл бұрын
It’s so great. Finally I can play my guitar along with my keyboards and have all my midi and audio synced in one place (without a computer). Only took years of trial and error, but I believe this is the best setup for that kind of situation.
@SOO100BRAND
@SOO100BRAND 3 жыл бұрын
Are you saying i can connect my Behringer x32 up to my Maschine Plus for 32 inputs and it all works? This is insane. Im excited to get to my setup to try it
@kylew706
@kylew706 3 жыл бұрын
@@SOO100BRAND they say as long as it’s class compliant it should work
@kylew706
@kylew706 3 жыл бұрын
Update: the steinberg interface after being updated started to distort/crackle/pop the audio anytime I tried to record. It’s no longer working well with the maschine plus
@jeremyellismusic
@jeremyellismusic 3 жыл бұрын
Guys, we did it. I think NI is really listening right now. I'm not sure more requests have been granted in a single update, ever. Jam support, good lord. USB hubs, OMG. External hard drives, WTF. They are listening. Keep asking the right questions.
@aubergine777666
@aubergine777666 3 жыл бұрын
Still, the most requested thing of all groove boxes of all time: disk streaming, no developer seems to care about.
@robcansino812
@robcansino812 2 жыл бұрын
@@aubergine777666 you mean like am octatrack
@aubergine777666
@aubergine777666 2 жыл бұрын
@@robcansino812 yeah like the octatrack but implemented in a way that doesn't require a year long study and hours over hours of frustration
@fiscaldisco5234
@fiscaldisco5234 3 жыл бұрын
Exporting with samples was #1 on my wishlist. Thanks for updating.
@superdisco101
@superdisco101 3 жыл бұрын
I use the Maschine+ in my studio as a centerpiece to control all my external synths and other midi machines. Since i got the new update, i had not a single crash or freeze. Before the update it was a nightmare. I was constantly in panic to lose my progress within the project. Every single step I progressed was followed by pushing the save button. Now its just perfect and flawless for my workflow. Thank You NI.
@BIGPUN4EVER
@BIGPUN4EVER 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so paranoid with that shit now, I just made it a habit to always save after awhile of creating or after recording a good take.
@skilla4hire
@skilla4hire 3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty cool. Glad they finally added the hard drive support and save files with sounds feature.
@SCMESD
@SCMESD 3 жыл бұрын
What's up, bro?
@skilla4hire
@skilla4hire 3 жыл бұрын
@@SCMESD waddup family 👊🏾
@SCMESD
@SCMESD 3 жыл бұрын
@@skilla4hire nothing much. I started making that music on youtube again. Also, I subbed to your channel.
@skilla4hire
@skilla4hire 3 жыл бұрын
@@SCMESD that's what's up. I'm gonna start mashing music in here, ig and Facebook soon as well.
@thisisjeia
@thisisjeia 3 жыл бұрын
Game changer updates!! Saving with samples is so useful!
@730productionsllc
@730productionsllc 3 жыл бұрын
Now I’m sold on the Maschine+.
@EmlynInTheMix
@EmlynInTheMix 3 жыл бұрын
This is so awesome!! Thanks for looking after the Jam users!!
@producedbykemp691
@producedbykemp691 Жыл бұрын
Please add the Play Series to the Plus... Long time no update😢😢😢😢
@DYVNbeats
@DYVNbeats 3 жыл бұрын
Niiiiice 🤩 the day we’ve all been waiting for
@MrFullyCharged
@MrFullyCharged 3 жыл бұрын
YES! Now I have to wonder, will your team produce an updated Jam *or at least make MORE of them so we can find them online* in the near future?
@nastied
@nastied 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@producedbykemp691
@producedbykemp691 2 жыл бұрын
We need another update please🤞🤞🤞
@KfzmChris
@KfzmChris 3 жыл бұрын
do you have any plans to bring back the Maschine Jam? maybe as a mk2 version? i wanna have one next to my Maschine MK3 but i can't find some new one .
@Zittzewitz1
@Zittzewitz1 3 жыл бұрын
Good Question! Whats about the jam? Will you make a new one?
@tomfool3337
@tomfool3337 3 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for integrate the maschine jam ! love U guys ! keep going ;)
@MarcusVeltri
@MarcusVeltri 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great update, can’t believe even usb hubs will work with maschine!!
@dankefurnichts
@dankefurnichts 3 жыл бұрын
USB Hubs worked already before this update ;-)
@nucentury08
@nucentury08 3 жыл бұрын
No they didn’t no ext Drive worked
@dankefurnichts
@dankefurnichts 3 жыл бұрын
@@nucentury08 Well i used an USB hub to connect my gear and it worked pretty well...otherwise i wouldn't have said that it worked.
@SCMESD
@SCMESD 3 жыл бұрын
You can scroll down but you cant scroll up with an external USB Drive.
@crybo
@crybo 3 жыл бұрын
My USB hub worked from day one. Do you mean USB drive?
@cmartez
@cmartez 3 жыл бұрын
Great update!!!!
@DJWOLFLIVE
@DJWOLFLIVE 3 жыл бұрын
Next level updates for my +. It’s about time!
@hiroshisugimoto8181
@hiroshisugimoto8181 3 жыл бұрын
Cooperation with JAM is good, but will you make a successor? It would be meaningless and very troublesome if it became a discontinuity as it is. Thank you for your answer !!: (
@alchemistrpm82
@alchemistrpm82 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the same thing. They must have plans, right? Otherwise what's the point.
@acqua_exp6420
@acqua_exp6420 3 жыл бұрын
That’s real tight! Thanks a ton Native Instruments!! :]
@99MUZIK
@99MUZIK 3 жыл бұрын
I was planning to sell my Maschine plus. I decided to keep it because the new update
3 жыл бұрын
NICE MASCHINE JAM IS BACK!!! first thing I wanted. also I hope some midi sync have been sold because Maschine+ is so difficult to sync properly with hardware stuff
@hipreference
@hipreference 3 жыл бұрын
Guys, it's getting serious! Boris turned the cap back!
@AveMcree
@AveMcree 3 жыл бұрын
HD support.... NICE!... Finally (had to troll a lil bit)
@alchemistrpm82
@alchemistrpm82 3 жыл бұрын
Us MPC users like: "Really, you couldn't do that before?" Haha. But as a S61 owner, I've never wanted a Maschine more in my life. That high price looking more and more reasonable to me...
@VikerTurrit
@VikerTurrit 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, nice. Iam a Mk3+Jam+KKs25 User and this looks promising. looking forward to the M+
@shawnmanifestit
@shawnmanifestit 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this update!!!
@DDS825
@DDS825 3 жыл бұрын
Great update!
@wutsupg
@wutsupg 3 жыл бұрын
Very Nice! I don't think I will need all that integration, but I'm sure it's really nice for those who do. I'm always impressed by how Native Instruments constantly improve their device's firmware. Too bad I'm no longer a Maschine user.
@braininfinityrecords8395
@braininfinityrecords8395 3 жыл бұрын
Trop bien depuis 2012 j'attendais sa
@michaeltrenier
@michaeltrenier 3 жыл бұрын
Dammit! Now I have to get one! 😅 question. Does utilizing the plus WITH the computer LESSEN the CPU load on the computer? Thx!
@TheCliffzone
@TheCliffzone 3 жыл бұрын
I really think since the maschine plus is more of a hardware instrument it will virtually have no effect on your computer cpu.
@BigChiefPrinceVision
@BigChiefPrinceVision 3 жыл бұрын
Will there be any updates for mk3
@iVardensphere
@iVardensphere 3 жыл бұрын
Is browsing sample storage via USB still limited to like one folder deep?
@H4NDCRAFTED
@H4NDCRAFTED 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@mrcanisters
@mrcanisters 3 жыл бұрын
Here's hoping for a fully programmable synth and better filters for the sample engine. Love the pads btw
@LeDungProducer
@LeDungProducer 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, i am vietnam 🇻🇳
@scottfrost317
@scottfrost317 3 жыл бұрын
When will you fix the missing midi channel changer direct from Jon plate mk2 for using external hardware synths.
@FernandoMartin09
@FernandoMartin09 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why you guys stopped selling the Maschine Jam. I had to buy one pre-owned and it's an awesome combination with Maschine and/or KK, specially if you want to compete against Push. Jam was such a great product that you'll hardly find anyone pre-owned (most users keep them)
@johnluis899
@johnluis899 2 жыл бұрын
Hey um you think we can get a tempo default update thanks I appreciate it
@IVANLEEespinosa
@IVANLEEespinosa 3 жыл бұрын
I really love this guy!!! 🎶🎧🎹❤
@nucentury08
@nucentury08 3 жыл бұрын
Just updated mine 👌🏾👌🏾🎶🎶 Got my LaCie drive plugged in now Yessssss!👑
@andrewcanlon
@andrewcanlon 3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to Maschine...could I pull in completed Logic Pro sessions from my DAW into Maschine via an external hard drive and perform along with the session via a midi controller routed thru Maschine as well??
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Andrew, we'd probably need more context to understand what you're trying to achieve here. Please join discussions in our community so we can share more insights on Maschine 👉 bit.ly/n1-comm
@ryanedwardmusic
@ryanedwardmusic 3 жыл бұрын
You can load the WAV stems or mixdown, not the Logic session files
@devadiponeness
@devadiponeness 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, also S88 is supported (with its power supply) ? I suppose yes.....
@andreilemieux9525
@andreilemieux9525 3 жыл бұрын
Please have a way to choose wave tables within V massive. Or have some prestes initialized that have various tables pretty please:)
@devam2288
@devam2288 3 жыл бұрын
My Maschine Jam: I was patiently waiting for a track to explode on...thanks NI and the whole team keeping us updated on the forum 🔥🎹💯🚀
@13lxe
@13lxe 3 жыл бұрын
Does is support the original NI KOMPLETE KONTROL S keyboards as well as MKII?
@micdeezy95tillinfinity
@micdeezy95tillinfinity 2 жыл бұрын
PLEASE HELP! I just bought the S61 Komplete Kontrol and the Maschine Plus. Maschine is working just fine. When I connect the S61 KK midi controller it integrates and I can brows maschines library and hear demos when using the S61 KK controller BUT when I try to play the notes on the keyboard I get no sound. EVERYTHING else works on the S61 KK midi. But as the notes dont work I have to use maschines pads to play any sounds. How do I fix this so I can play the actual keyboard??
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 2 жыл бұрын
Hey there, we'd suggest to contact our Komplete Kontrol team so they can look into this. Please contact us here: bit.ly/n1kontrol 🎹
@TheR1nka
@TheR1nka 2 жыл бұрын
Change settings on maschine in MIDI section to next: Input device (select MK2 keyboard), Output (select Maschine), MIDI Sync (Receive), Midi Input (Focus). Good luck)
@severeflows
@severeflows 3 жыл бұрын
So if I was to use the m32 keyboard on maschine plus standalone mode would I be able to access all features like scale and chord modes? If so I will definitely get me an m32
@sunnyschramm9650
@sunnyschramm9650 3 жыл бұрын
WE NEED a JAM+ in the same design :-)
@mimmoprudenzano
@mimmoprudenzano 3 жыл бұрын
hello I would like to ask you for information. I have ableton live 11 with mac big sure and I would like to connect the maschine mk3 and komplete kontrol m32. Ableton does not recognize scripts. If you can help me I would be grateful
@DonMadDonald
@DonMadDonald 3 жыл бұрын
one day maschine+... one day!! for now MK3! btw.. big fan of this guy!
@ET2carbon
@ET2carbon Жыл бұрын
just sell the current owners an expansion dock that has a battery, subwoofer, and 4 speakers. They could put an output expansion like the Akai did BITD for 8-16 analog outputs. They could make a lot of money doing that and it would be a quick addition to current gear that would need very minimal engineering. They could make it supplement and compliment the processing power of the Maschine+ by bridging the bus power for the CPU and RAM lanes. They could even make a premium dock that would have a laptop hinged touch screen OLED display to be able to easily draw waveforms or edit EQ spectrums or draw automation etc. A real easy thing they could do would be to allow USB/bluetooth track pad connections or stylus that could interface with the 2 small screens. They don't need to develop a whole new deck, just make a modular enhancements work more regular software updates. I want MPE support! I want better Cubase integration! I want tighter exclusive Kontrol MK2 MK3 keyboard integration. They really need to do something, AKAI killing it, now PUSH, Elektron, etc. They need to update the software with easier composition tools too.
@severeflows
@severeflows 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if I’ll be able to connect my mixer as interface to add some audio inputs
@gretareinarsson7461
@gretareinarsson7461 3 жыл бұрын
So KK S88 would work with the Maschine+?
@philippe-lebel
@philippe-lebel 3 жыл бұрын
Impressive, impressive.
@Larrythebassman
@Larrythebassman 3 жыл бұрын
Oh I am loving it
@djAXCESSmusic
@djAXCESSmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Does this update fix that the pad choke settings are currently not saved to the groups?
@andreweyison8406
@andreweyison8406 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings, does the Maschine + work on the Big Sur/Apple M1 computers?
@MichaelMoore-bx6st
@MichaelMoore-bx6st 3 жыл бұрын
Nice update. I'd like to be able to rename things using the hardware on Mk3 like I'm sure you can do on the +
@alexshdvideo
@alexshdvideo 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thinking of a Mashine MK3... I am thinking of the Maschine + instead.. not sure which way I will jump.. Support for Jam is great. Any thoughts if the Jam will come back or a Jam 2.0?
@brennanaman1beats27
@brennanaman1beats27 3 жыл бұрын
How to integrate the Maschine mk3 and Jam into Ableton still cant do it and had them both for 1 yaer
@MichaelMoore-bx6st
@MichaelMoore-bx6st 3 жыл бұрын
It's not that hard. Lots of KZbin videos on various workflows. There is more than on way to do integrate machine inside Ableton but start with opening maschine as a plug-in on a midi track. You can either use song mode inside maschine or use program changes in ableton clips to trigger machine scenes, or even just use maschine as a sound engine
@brennanaman1beats27
@brennanaman1beats27 3 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelMoore-bx6st thanks for taking the time to help out :)
@issiewizzie
@issiewizzie 3 жыл бұрын
he's back
@alchemistrpm82
@alchemistrpm82 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one excited for KK support? That's big to me. It almost makes my S61 standalone. Not really. But very cool .
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
We're also very excited!
@lukee1320
@lukee1320 3 жыл бұрын
@@NativeInstruments With S49, I have got transport, mute, solo etc working with Maschine plus in standalone, but the keyboard does not play notes? What am I doing wrong thanks?
@HerrEmachtMusik
@HerrEmachtMusik 3 жыл бұрын
Still no german manual?
@prestonhart6685
@prestonhart6685 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏
@Iredidv
@Iredidv 3 жыл бұрын
Updated, and it´s a great one, except i´ve had to reboot twice ,the tempo knob didn´t work anymore and adjusted the pitch instead. Hope this was just a fluke. Otherwise awesome.
@adarrom
@adarrom 3 жыл бұрын
How do you do, fellow peeps?
@st0rmchild
@st0rmchild 3 жыл бұрын
Boris is starting to look like "fellow kids" Steve Buscemi.
@macinead7
@macinead7 Жыл бұрын
Can we have a video on how to use these 3 beasts together. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@billyfreeze1893
@billyfreeze1893 3 жыл бұрын
where's the support for Big Sur?
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Billy! Both Maschine + and Maschine 2 are compatible with Big Sur: bit.ly/NISupport_BigSur
@billyfreeze1893
@billyfreeze1893 3 жыл бұрын
Hi - OMG ! I cant believe it , I'm glad it all worked out .Thank you very much for your reply - peace
@MrSilkydrew
@MrSilkydrew 3 жыл бұрын
They should do a matching Mashine Jam plus, would be Nice
@djjacrystal1978
@djjacrystal1978 3 жыл бұрын
yeah very nice 👌 👍👍👍❤
@monochet
@monochet 3 жыл бұрын
Jam support just sold me in the maschine +. Now if I only had $1400 laying around.
@g3nius
@g3nius 3 жыл бұрын
The technical concept is great. I have the bigger machine studio, which needs a PC and its ok for my situation. But, from the asthetical point of virew, the grey color looks cheap for my taste. BTw, I would reduce the gain at 250Hz a bit in the EQ
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback!
@RenzoAse
@RenzoAse 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back the Jam!
@WillieCarpenter17
@WillieCarpenter17 3 жыл бұрын
Why are you guys not answering questions about Jam????
@atibakojo3478
@atibakojo3478 3 жыл бұрын
This is quite interesting that they would add functionality for a device they no longer make. Why did they stop making it anyway? There are not that many out there are they? I mean compared to MKs out there. How is NI support for used Jams bought 2nd hand. It sounded like if you already have one your good. Cause there support for other products like Studio and 2nd hand no license MACHINE is minimal. You can get a minimal Machine 2 package if you didn't get the software license with your used Machine or Studio. Never seen anything about the Jam at all. I didn't even know they made the thing, but I am new to the NI world.
@FEO
@FEO 3 жыл бұрын
I bought my jam used and it works fine with my existing maschine setup.
@vanzea
@vanzea 3 жыл бұрын
But still no working Midi sync (both master and slave)...
@radpix
@radpix 3 жыл бұрын
... and you updated your style into retro raver 🤓 thanx for explanations, - Not working with older maschine Studio Controller ?
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Here we show the new features available on M+. Which one are you after for Maschine Studio?
@josejuanvelardesevil8379
@josejuanvelardesevil8379 3 жыл бұрын
@@NativeInstruments can you do the same integration with Maschine MK3 Right is just it will have to be plug in with the computer right? Or this is just for M+?
@rocstarskinnyjeans
@rocstarskinnyjeans 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to update my Maschine+ are now lol!
@djsimson
@djsimson 3 жыл бұрын
Nice update
@azmattic306
@azmattic306 3 жыл бұрын
what about this mk3 I bought just last year ????? anything for us or too bad 👎 should have waited and got the plus sucker ...... .
@NativeInstruments
@NativeInstruments 3 жыл бұрын
Both units use the Maschine software and so you're still getting new features with each major update. More to come ...
@azmattic306
@azmattic306 3 жыл бұрын
@@NativeInstruments thanks for taking the time to reply I apreciate it don't forget about us!!!!!!all mascines matter..... jk
@ET2carbon
@ET2carbon Жыл бұрын
Please allow USB processing using external GPU's like a laptop.
@ET2carbon
@ET2carbon Жыл бұрын
Update to send VIDEO out from USB.
@marclemar
@marclemar 3 жыл бұрын
Bout MFn Timmmmme🗣🗣🗣🗣👍🏾
@unrealone1
@unrealone1 2 жыл бұрын
Bring back the JAM and make it ORANGE!
@ValentijnLangendorff
@ValentijnLangendorff 3 жыл бұрын
Yeaaaaaah finally! Something for the weeeeekeeeeennnnddd... . . . . .-.-.-.-.-.--...-.-.-.-.-...-.-.-.-....
@Crestasee303
@Crestasee303 3 жыл бұрын
Cool ..........
@lovemusic9674
@lovemusic9674 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@tgoodjenkins
@tgoodjenkins 3 жыл бұрын
"They never listen to us they give us things we don't ask for" stfu. Keep it up NI. And keep giving us what we don't ask for too thats innovation. 💯
@VolterSvainber
@VolterSvainber 3 жыл бұрын
ааааа. как же я хочу эту машинку!
@Metaphysticles
@Metaphysticles 3 жыл бұрын
there should REALLY BE a MASCHINE + MIKRO. Could replace or equal so many units in my room. Oh then there’s outside my room. We would be inseparable… #mikro+me ILY NI.. do the right thing and change my world again
@alainsams6858
@alainsams6858 3 жыл бұрын
1 second ago Native Instruments has harassed us to sell us Mashine2 & MK3 Platinum for over 500 Euros! And now they are forcing us to buy Mashine + at 1400-1500 Euros! telling us that it is much better. And we who bought normal MK3, what are we entitled to the updates that were promised for this board or Native made us dream by saying that this MK3 was going to evolve thanks to great updates?
@donnieodom3640
@donnieodom3640 3 жыл бұрын
maschine needs a better arranger imo and can we use all file types please including mp3s?
@dennisshu1466
@dennisshu1466 3 жыл бұрын
Not bad!!!
@weststarr2046
@weststarr2046 3 жыл бұрын
Maaan...bring that Masch*t over here...RIGHT NOW,.... 2 PLEASE !!! OMFGoodness..!
@radarartist
@radarartist 3 жыл бұрын
Progress
@re_negado
@re_negado 3 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏
@allinonethegreat
@allinonethegreat 3 жыл бұрын
I got the k49 and atom fuck that don’t need the Maschine lol
@ReevesTo10k
@ReevesTo10k 3 жыл бұрын
anyone selling a jam?
@Matthewsavant
@Matthewsavant 17 күн бұрын
Native instruments excels at making keyboard controllers that do EVERYTHING except actually give you control over properly editing their synths...I don't want macros...I don't want to have to scroll through seemingly randomly laid out parameters in small groups...I want to have full control over designing sounds, I want to call up an INIT patch and program sounds on the synths without a mouse and keyboard, it's ridiculous to have these large screens showing the piano roll and all kinds of other cool stuff but yet lack the simple ability to CREATE sounds easily using only the controller...especially since video is demoing using these controllers with Maschine plus
@couldntbotherr4700
@couldntbotherr4700 3 жыл бұрын
now you just need a touchscreen, priced around the same as the maschine mk3 and your sales will go wild
@NakulKrishna
@NakulKrishna 3 жыл бұрын
A good touchscreen itself costs about 80% of the mk3, and that’s at mobile manufacturer pricing, probably way more for relatively smaller companies like NI.
@NakulKrishna
@NakulKrishna 3 жыл бұрын
@@halcyondaystunes I’m comparing them to actual megacorps like apple and Samsung. They have economies of scale the likes of which NI can’t imagine, hence we can all get touchscreens this good within our palms at a good price. Wishing for a touchscreen within a maschine at Mk3s price with it being standalone is impossible at this point.
@ericgoldstein2051
@ericgoldstein2051 3 жыл бұрын
i dont get the touch-screen discussion. knobs are so much better and tactile. rather touch a button and a knob than trying to navigate through a touchscreen with my sweaty ass fingers whilst playing maschine... seriously - what besides maybe text input could the touch screen do better? i prefer scrolling with the encoder, and using real knobs... maybe an x/y pad? that could be cool. but moving notes around in arranger? well i dont see that being fun on there.
@NakulKrishna
@NakulKrishna 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericgoldstein2051 while i see your point, I think yours is an unpopular opinion as a good touchscreen paired with everything else would make for an even quicker workflow when editing notes and such.
@couldntbotherr4700
@couldntbotherr4700 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericgoldstein2051 I totally understand where you’re coming from, but using the arranger is a pain in the ass
@alainsams6858
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Native Instruments nous à harcelé pour nous vendre Mashine2 & MK3 Platine à plus de 500 Euros ! Et maintenant ils nous forcent à acheter Mashine + à 1400-1500 Euros ! en nous disant que c'est bien meilleur. Et nous qui avons acheté MK3 normale , a quoi on a droit comme mises à jour qui étaient promises pour cette platine ou Native nous a fait rêver en disant que cette MK3 allait évoluer grâce à de super mises à jour ?
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