What's Really Inside The New Bosch Motor? | EMBN Show 356

[@embn]

Where have you been riding this week? How about showing us! 👉 embn.me/Uploader

[@ryanrickles5784]

Stoked to see my bike in the bike vault! So funny to hear y’all try to pronounce Boise 😂. I grew up in Alabama and just moved here a few years ago and had to learn myself - always thought it was like “boy-z” but it’s more like “boy-c”. Cheers!

[@wolfgangvonf16]

Steve & Owen are an absolute mega nerd combo 💪 Love the “Electric Eel show” 😆

[@Jerry69-g2r]

Top!!! My Orbea in the show! THX guys! 👍💪

[@embn]

Thanks for sending it in!

[@danamesarchik3633]

Steve you always do a great job!

[@Constructian]

Steve, there are lots of comments about the weight of these MGU bikes. But no-one is talking about the weight of the riders. I can understand a rider who weights only 65kg then a 25 or 28 kg bike will feel heavy. I weigh 102kg and my MGU bike is 28kg and I find it no problem at all to pick up and move around. You also commented on the weight of the bike making it very steady as you ride and I would agreed with this. Perhaps lighter riders may want to either get used to riding a heavier bike or stick to lighter bikes. My bike is a Simplon Rapcon Pinion with the 960wh battery and I love it.

[@Nomads_Rowing]

Steve & Nick on a secret mission to Switzerland - I’m getting a Specialized pre launch PR taster 🤔

[@mccgilla]

Steve. Can't say I'm a big fan of the checker plate on the new set.

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

I'm with you Steve, I'm yet to notice a rattle on the Gen4, and I've ridden a couple.. but after riding 2st and 4st motorbikes for 43 years it would have to be a substantial noise to get my attention. 😂

[@liam6200]

I wonder if those "new gen4" bosch internals could be retrofitted into the "old gen4" casing

[@adamrichards933]

They’ve been in Switzerland checking out the new Levo😉

[@N3AJ]

it should be time!! let's hope in jen/feb they can show us something

[@mattshepherd3412]

Agreed new Levo Sworks incomming

[@filipemonteiro5504]

Really interested in understanding what’s happening with Shimano motor, since lots of brands are changing to Bosch!!!…

[@danielcedolin2034]

Steve I still believe that weight has everything to do with ebikes . The thing is 20kg is fine 18 to 19 is great as these bikes are planted compared to acoustic bikes but still playfully . 23/24 kg just looses the poppy playfully fun part of mountain biking along with more mass to stop.

[@breakersteve]

Hi guys. Great show. New to EMTB. Got a Canyon Spectral On last week and loving it! Still on the learning curve!….. but….. got an email from Canyon this morning saying they have a problem with some battery’s cracking! My battery is in the list. I’ve been told not to use the bike and they will get back to me in December!!!??? Over 4 weeks and I can’t use my new bike? Not a great start to my electric journey!!

[@embn]

Really sorry to hear that! We think they've got something to check the serial number of the battery against on the website. Hopefully the guidance says you can ride if yours is not amongst the affected batteries?

[@breakersteve]

⁠@@embnmine is one of the ones affected. 🫤 I’ve only ridden it offload once and now it’s an expensive ornament! It’s a great bike so hopefully they will resolve this but we won’t here anymore until sometime in December!

[@GearWave]

Hey guys....thanks for zharing....been wanting to go to Switzerland to ride too....Where do you recommend?

[@Magoo71]

Did you say 300 watt? That's not to take you far....my bike has 160Nm and 1100 Whr Batt. I can go an easy 30 + miles, 3500-4500 Feet of climbing and still 50% left in the Batt......

[@Mtb9r]

Luv my power play. It’s a ripper

[@pavschodyko6531]

No way those batteries are that light to handle like that Steve does😮. My 700wh one from turbo levo is so big and heavy.

[@Mindycogswell]

I was thinking the exact thing!! Steve is super strong

[@Mindycogswell]

Regarding the main frame and weight of a bike, how can I find out what part/ section of my bike weighs the most? Me thinks it would be the down tube because of battery but not sure.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

when they make a silent motor im in!

[@embn]

That'll be a great day! Motors are quieter than ever though 🤘

[@Mindycogswell]

@embn if I send in a pic of my bike will you show it even if it’s not a brand you’re associated with?

[@N3AJ]

does the new bosch have the antithieving on board? or do you have to buy a part as the "old one"?

[@mtbalpinecounty]

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[@Videomorgue]

It's not a gen 5. It's a gen 4.5 but with different mounts.

[@Scotchsteve]

The dyname 4.0 on the rocky what a motor silent massive torque , natural feel and separate bb from the motor ridden them all in my opinion this is at the top 👌

[@_rhapsodist]

how is the new Bosch motor not a new generation if it has a completely new bolt pattern??? 🤔

[@somerandomperson8282]

The MGU is a great motor but the Nikolai is far too heavy. Bikes should be getting more powerful and lighter, not more powerful and heavier.

[@stevemeakin6614]

Why can i not upload pics to your web page?

[@dennisbalgobin461]

Isn't it time to call on the manufacturers to build maintenance free suspensions? Cars have suspension systems that need no periodic maintenance. It's time that MTB's suspension Forks and Rear shocks follow suit. Maintenance on Suspension is a pain and an unnecessary expense.

[@picassoimpaler3243]

Sort of different. Firstly, any high performance suspension needs consistent rebuilds to keep the ride quality on the edge of perfection and consistent. Car, motorcycle, or bike. If you have a motorcycle or sports car with aftermarket suspension, give it a rebuild. The same benefits will show up. Suspension fluid becomes old and changes properties of damping regardless of what it is in. Particularly if it is worked hard over a long stroke, soaking up heat like on a MTB. That's part of why baja cars need a suspension refresh more often than cup cars. But beyond that, a car suspension controls a lot of weight compared to a MTB. So small changes in friction from seals in a car damper are much harder to notice than in a MTB damper. Plus car dampers are fully filled with oil. That won't fly on a MTB because of weight.

[@embn]

Cars are enormous and heavy and still require maintenance. A wheel bearing for example on a car probably lasts thousands of k's more than on a bike, but they can break and require replacing all the same. Performance Suspension, used in real-world conditions is simply always going to require servicing.

[@dennisbalgobin461]

@@embn I have owned cars over the past 5 decades. Never have any of their suspensions (front or rear) needed maintenance or replacing within the first 10 years of their lives. Perhaps the British and European cars' suspension systems need frequent maintenance like the Rockshox and Fox suspensions found on your EMTBs. As for Parts wearing out and breaking, that is a whole different issue which is not the topic of this conversation.

[@drahoslavhorvath]

If new bosch motor is only update why is incompatible with old batteries? Why new batteries is not compatible with gen4 motor? Sorry but all this "it is only update" is simply lie...

[@Kev2Bee]

Battery design is neither a fixed, or single technology. Improving discharge rates and energy density are just two aspects that have changed this past year, so far. Backwards compatibility is not a guarantee.

[@drahoslavhorvath]

@@Kev2Bee question is... why is bosch scary to call this new generation?

[@oettam20]

Because DJI is the new generation of Bosch😂

[@oettam20]

I would much rather have 105 Nm, 800 watt of peak power, a SLIM 800 Wh battery, a in frame touch screen, a system weight 0,5 kg lighter made from Bosch or other European brand. Unfortunately the only reason why not to buy a DJI today is where our money are going…. In china

[@Codeset08]

The bolt pattern for fixing it to the bike is different so if your gen4 motor breaks you can't put the new motor in, total bs not calling it gen5

[@chjsaca]

Why do they insert a plastic gear while the rest is metal? Assuming this plastic gear will wear out rapidly unless it is made of some new space age material?

[@johnnywallace8123]

It sacrifices itself to save the more expensive parts when other malfunctions happen.

[@chjsaca]

@@johnnywallace8123 One would think that with today's engineering design capabilities ... this could be figured out. Just doesn't make sense to use plastic gearing against a metal one ... designed obsolescence. Not buying into that, not with all of the technology and material science that is out there. It's a good motor, but these companies need to do better, especially with the what they cost.

[@Kev2Bee]

@@chjsaca “Doesn’t make sense” - unless you are a mechanical engineer.

[@Kev2Bee]

Yes, this era is well past the atomic age and space ages. We are in the Quantum age and so are polymers .

[@johnnywallace8123]

@Kev2Bee Agreed, I work in the mechanical/plumbing industry and motors and pumps that cost tens of thousands of dollars all have this technology.

[@AverageBikeGuy]

A small squirrel on a treadmill?

[@marcopaganotto9125]

I absolutely HATE Bosch! Had I known about "Limp Mode" before investing almost 10k in 2 bikes, I would have invested my money elsewhere. Picture this, you've just finished a 12 hour shift and it's 8 miles to get home, and then you discover "Limp Mode" and end up having to walk home, which was almost an hour and a half of rage walking! And now, after it's happened 3 times I've got to spend even more money to get Bosch to reset my bike, which should not ever happen to a supposedly valued customer. Never again will I buy Bosch, what gives them the right to act like the UK Ebike Police?!

[@Kev2Bee]

What was the cause of the Limp? Im surprised it’s been reoccurring.

[@mattshepherd3412]

He will have moved the speed sensor on to his crank to derestrict the 15.5 mph speed limit. If the motor control detects this, limp mode is enabled

[@picassoimpaler3243]

No thanks. I'll take the metal drive gear and a bit of noise please

[@rtgMTB]

Sram DB8 or Shigura with XT lever and MT5 caliper? whats the best.

[@bastogne315]

Ps your hair is a birds nest...put something in it.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Mine or Steve's?

[@Petrolhead912]

You do realise that 25kg is the maximum lift allowed by one person in the UK and Europe. So the Nicholai is either a health and safety nightmare for bike mechanics or a two man lift at 27kg😮

[@bastogne315]

Dont be cycling through bogs...its extremly destructive. Are u Russian or wat??

[@OwenBikeNerd]

It wasn't an actual Bog - its was very muddy damp trail - a uk Bridal way so fully legal to ride for an EMTB.

[@IdrisFashan]

Thank you for clarifying that!

[@kevinmortimer1883]

interesting. the bosch gen 5 is almost a 'woke' version of gen4. feels more feeble and restrained