What the Hell is going on here Will?

[@traceyms1971]

"I'm taking this up with you, Will!" I'm pretty sure I would have started sobbing.

[@traceyms1971]

@@jsullivan2112lol. He's really intimidating

[@2bituser569]

Riker could be shit Captain Pikard I’ll contact sf and take my promotion now!

[@SVSky]

This and Wesley's Ass chewing was pretty much the gold standard

[@hankkingsley2976]

All right. Come on, if all needs were met in the 23rd Century And Holo decks. F*** you.. F*** you, b****.

[@traceyms1971]

@@hankkingsley2976 ?

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

"...I will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship" is the most epic way of saying I will kick you to the curb.

[@hankkingsley2976]

I have a nut job boss who tells me this on a regular basis Screw you who else knows how everything works. You do it yourself sum b****. Fire my ass now while I can make twice as much unemployment you useless piece of s***.

[@mnfrench7603]

Hank Kingsley I had a nutjob boss who pulled this. I walked away...it felt GREAT. Within 6 months, they were closed.

[@imaxjunior6531]

@@mnfrench7603 So much for that command structure.

[@MrDibara]

@@imaxjunior6531 It's a reality we don't like to remember, but many bosses are just idiots.

[@Raooka]

@@hankkingsley2976 I don't think you can collect unemployment after being fired

[@zorkmid1083]

This was Jonathan Frakes' best episode and performance, hands down.

[@thehantavirus]

the last episode of "enterprise" adds some back story to this to somewhat.

[@mcmlxxxviimcmxcvi8641]

Still, with all due respect, I think he's a way better director than actor.

[@philoshaughnessy906]

Patrick Stewart's wasn't too shabby, either

[@olliewhite2844]

I dont know I thought he did a really good job in "Frame of mind"

[@patsfan4life]

Ollie White you beat me to it..... Frame of Mind was very strong

[@fawziekefli2273]

*Picard:* "What the hell is going on here, Will?!" *Riker:* "I'm sorry, sir, I've said all I can. I'm under direct orders from the director not to let you know the rest of the screenplay."

[@CheesyChez421]

Very well. He's the director, I'm the actor. I cannot order him to spoil the episode, so I will have to be in the dark on this set.

[@ryanbaker979]

This is when ST started to take more and more bold steps with writing the overall universe. We see more and more through DS9 and the last two seasons of TNG that the Federation isn't all sunshine and bunnies as even in the 24th century, corruption and greed still have a handle on some people.

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

And other later shows considering in one episode of Star Trek Enterprise Archer essentially acted as a pirate by boarding and stealing something from another ship

[@zorkmid1083]

Corruption, maybe, but not greed in this case.

[@AdmiralKarelia]

DS9 was already in its first season by this point so it coincides with the shift to show the dirtier parts of Starfleet policy. I'm convinced the writers wanted to do it for a while but they had to wait for Gene Roddenberry to die to get away with it. He was adamant that the Federation remain as perfect within as it appeared.

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

It's not often you hear disappointment in Jean-Luc's voice because someone was capable of being better.

[@SantomPh]

were Will "better" he'd be as dead as the mutineers.

[@robjackson5245]

@@sokagofferenginar8669 Picard isn't right in this episode though. Pressman is an asshole but hes right about the Romulans.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Picard: "There wasn't any further investigation. This report was classified and quickly buried. WTH is going on here, WIll?" RIker: "Admiral Pressman asked his Section 31 buddies to intervene. The rest is history."

[@Archedgar]

Ooh, good point. I hadn't even thought about it but yeah this kind of thing fits right into Section 31's alley.

[@LGranthamsHeir]

@@Archedgar Agreed. All of these are typical S31's operation, although its existence have yet to be introduced in TNG.

[@ikecarr5989]

There is no Section 31.

[@prince-solomon]

@@ikecarr5989 Spoken like a true Section 31 agent.

[@CheesyChez421]

Just think though, we wouldn't have the Defiant in DS9 to win against the Dominion.

[@ericsmith8373]

You know it's a bad idea when the emotionless android gives you that "are you fucking serious?" look.

[@douglashenry6996]

For all it's wonderful aspects, Star Fleet Security sure seems prone to corruption.

[@justanotherasian4395]

Douglas Henry humanity is horrible, isn’t it?

[@reverendgaddy2435]

Star Fleet Security is POWERLESS in the face of plot necessity!

[@nb2008nc]

Just like the NSC, FBI, and FISA

[@Billmaster115]

TheAmateurAsian imperfect. Humanity is equally horrible as it is wonderful. Arguing differently is evidence of bias and selective honesty. Yes, humanity is horrible, yes humanity is wonderful. Just as two more than four is six and three less than five is two.

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@Billmaster115 Indeed. Horrible, wonderful, and all things in between. We're capable of the most stunning beauty, the most benevolent charity, and the most horrific atrocity. We may have been made in His image, but humanity is far from God's grace.

[@alfstewart22]

1:00 Riker: So anyway i started blasting

[@S4inc]

..I will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship "...The look on Rikers face was (Holy Shit)

[@McBurnside6380]

This was a pinnacle episode. The main reason Riker would be a commander for the duration of the series and I believe the movies was given too us here. There had to be a reason for an officer as stellar as Riker to not get promoted. This was a well written solution.

[@absolutez3r019]

Riker always turns them down

[@McBurnside6380]

@@absolutez3r019 he did, but you can only do that for so long with a character before it becomes unrealistic.

[@AdmiralKarelia]

@@McBurnside6380 The fact that Picard remains in command of the Enterprise(s) for 15 years straight (Jellico's short tenure notwithstanding) is unrealistic itself. Not only should he also have been offered an Admiralty before the end of TNG, but letting one man remain in command of the same ship and senior crew for so long is a big no-no in modern navies. At least in the US Navy, command officers get shuffled around quite a bit in order to keep everyone from developing stronger loyalties to a single officer than to the service at large.

[@robjackson5245]

Riker got promoted for ships. It was his guilt that held him back.

[@polarisukyc1204]

This has 31 written all over it

[@ArmyJames]

Section 31 is just a myth.

[@googleuser7454]

​@VHTesla"leave it at that" that the S31 right there 😂

[@TookyG]

Everything Trek post 2005 has been a disaster for humanity. Not everything has to be Section 31.

[@russellarcher5181]

"But I am unaware of any prior situations, where a Starship was taken into a planetary body." Someone contact Major Grin, Starfleet Command.

[@hook357]

This and the episode where he had to try to prove Data was Starfleet Property against his wishes.

[@dzerofox1586]

nah, that was a different one. this is the one where the enterprise uses a cloaking device

[@chictownguy]

@@dzerofox1586 He's saying that this and the other one are Jonathan Franks best performances

[@patsfan4life]

Yes, he was excellent prosecutor for Data

[@guyincognito9484]

@@patsfan4life "and....and now a man will shut it off..."

[@2bituser569]

Guy Incognito That wasn’t Frakes only role as a prosecutor. He did prosecutor in Matlok too.

[@denbo786]

damn it, this is real trek at its finest

[@darryl_andrew]

Jeezus what great performance by Frakes

[@larrygill2223]

Christine Felice WANKA!!!!!!

[@RobynHarris]

Whenever you decide that you need to violate the rules of a free society, to *save* that society; you are in extremely dangerous territory.

[@philipdillon83]

@Kevin Lee wut chu mean

[@mrflynn510]

Somebody tell James Comey and John Brennan..

[@duo1666]

@Kevin Lee So, what youre saying is..... Youre a fucking idiot? And yes, we are at over 100k deaths from the virus. Yes, the virus DIRECTLY caused those deaths. Yes, the virus can lead to a heart attack. Anything that compromises the lungs can lead to a heart attack. The respiratory and cardio systems are very closely connected.

[@duo1666]

@Kevin Lee So, again, youre an idiot.

[@duo1666]

@Kevin Lee Dude, you know jack dick about the virus or the body. "Oh, people are sufferring heart failure, that clearly cant be because of the virus that can directly cause heart failure!"

[@2bituser569]

You know you’re in trouble when he calls ya by first name.

[@juliusuzutunda]

This scene reminds me of the bollocking Wesley Crusher received from Captain Picard over the Kolvoord Starburst maneuver incident. This is why i like it so much. 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@Cjnw]

He is an admiral, I am a God,; I order you to tell me everything, under pain of excommunication.

[@baronvonfaust]

@Just Jeff *purging intensifies*

[@cliffsta87337]

One of my favorite episodes in the series.

[@23v0lv32]

Spectacular monologue by frakes here. Wow

[@_Tree]

This was another turning point between Picard and Riker!! I love their chemistry 💯💯💯

[@distanthope9153]

I really appreciate you uploading clips like this. Thank you.

[@BasicShapes]

Lol, they couldn't take the shuttle in there due to gravity...they really needed to find an excuse to get the enterprise in there...

[@ThePoshboy1]

3:10 I like how Picard calls admirals by their first name (as if he knew them personally) and they do the same in certain circumstances, it gives the idea that if Picard wished he could very well have been an admiral but chose the stay a captain.

[@prince-solomon]

That's exactly what he did. For a good reason. Look at Kirk... he couldn't wait to get rid of his admiral rank to get back into the seat again.

[@SantomPh]

he is of the same service length as they are, it's common courtesy for fellow veterans to call each other by first name. Picard had indeed refused promotion quite a few times to stay a captain. He only accepted admiral rank to lead the Romulan relief effort after the supernova, even then he commanded ships like the Verity and didn't sit at a desk. Kirk was of a similar mind with some commodores and admirals like Decker, only accepting an admiral rank due to him becoming commandant of Starfleet Academy and others like Spock and Sulu becoming captains.

[@CptPeo]

@@SantomPh Not to forget that Kirk himself told Picard never to leave that bridge. "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there you can make a difference."

[@jaceygaither2581]

Star trek short about the Pegasus would be dope

[@melvinlee9263]

This was an amazing episode - Riker goes from making fun of the Captain in the opening sequence to getting chewed out by him.

[@archangelstormrider3695]

Picard just laid Riker on the slab. Total badass.

[@leporello7]

Are Data's last two sentences a nod/reference to Star Wars? (unforeseen circumstance = giant worm trying to eat the Falcon)

[@mikeomoran9256]

When he drops calling him Number 1 you know shit is real

[@Phil_KaneONite_Wood]

The absolute biggest flaw, surely, is not to disengage the saucer section! Two ships scanning are quicker than one. And the stardrive section is a lot narrower than the saucer. Much easier to maneuver. Plus, . . . Which one do the Romulans follow? God, I should be a flippin' Starship Captain!! 😂😂😂

[@anthonystephenson4180]

Wills look after the Capt said i will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship

[@stewsretroreviews]

This is a brilliant TNG episode and brilliant acting between Picard and Riker here

[@henkman00]

Picard: ''What the will is going on here Hell?'' Riker: ''Captain?'' Picard: (facepalm): ''What the hell is going on here Will?''

[@tonyfabulous6775]

the uss discovery jumped inside of kronos.... oh wait scratch that from the record logs, that's classified

[@thehantavirus]

STD Is not canon, even PICARD isnt that canon, but still fall somewhat in line.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

@@thehantavirus It is canon.

[@hhale]

@@admiralsquatbar127 In the same sense that "Highlander II: The Quickening" is canon in the Highlander franchise. It happened. We don't discuss it. It is impolite to bring it up.

[@limburgishmapping7166]

@@thehantavirus it is canon if you wish it or not.

[@chance2smoke]

@@limburgishmapping7166 I haven't seen discovery or picard so they aren't canon for me.

[@suk6323]

Contrast this singular episode - and so many more - to STD and STP. People used to be slow, patient and thoughtful.

[@AColonelPanic]

gotta cram as much crap as possible now before the next commercial break. TV theme songs have gone the way of the dodo as well because of this :-(

[@francismallard5892]

If only every episode of TNG was this good

[@prince-solomon]

You can't have good stuff without bad stuff. Ying & Yang. Light & Darkness. The episode "Pegasus" and the episode "Sub Rosa"...

[@IrishCarney]

Wait, why did Picard order WORF to take the ship to within 15km of the asteroid? That's an order you give to the helmsman manning the conn station (Geordi's old job, or Wesley, or anonymous), not tactical.

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

Worf's job was

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

Worf was in command of the bridge when Picard entered. Picard apparently wanted Worf to keep coordinating bridge operations while he worked with Pressman.

[@mackgiver875]

This happens often in Star Trek. I believe it saves some money so they don't have to pay an extra for a speaking role, which is a bit more then just sitting there being scenery, and I believe there is contractual stuff having to do with the SAG which prevents actors from having dialogue unless they are a member of the SAG or some such, so they just have the regulars spit the line out themselves.

[@IrishCarney]

@@mackgiver875 I guess the anonymous helmsman would have had to acknowledge the order, thus at least one line, yeah.

[@mackgiver875]

@@IrishCarney Just watched it again. She has lines in the episode anyway so I dunno :D.

[@digitalradiohacker]

Picard: I'm taking this up wi Riker: Shutup Picard: I be Riker: I said shutup, as in close your mouth and stop talking! Picard: I'm going to find out wh Riker: No you can't, don't even try. Wesley: Sir, maybe you sho.. Picard & Riker: Shutup Wesley!

[@michaelcharlesthearchangel]

Brilliant writing on military secrecy regardless of era.

[@AlexLifeson1985]

The chief of Starfeel intelligence, huh. So was that commadore O, lol? No wonder the Romulans were hovering around.

[@SantomPh]

Commodore Oh was chief of security, not intelligence

[@maxwellgarrison6790]

In “Hunters” Seven recommends the shuttle because it can survive the gravimetric sheer of a black hole better than Voyager, which is probably 1/6 the Mass of the Enterprise.

[@aeureus]

Heh, normally Starfleet vessels use black alert for testing equipment. :)

[@hansgugel8034]

Always wondered after court martial of admiral pressman if section 31 ever recruited him

[@Youngstown529]

I would love to make a bold statement to my staff and then just say, "Dismissed."

[@AdmiralKarelia]

I love how the Romulans on the far side of the system are out of sensor range, but in other episodes they can pick them up from light-years away. Sensor range appears to be whatever is convenient for the story at the time.

[@skuastone9698]

Got to rate Riker's loyalty though.

[@KayKay0314]

Riker should not have been surprised when Picard indicated the consequences of violating his trust. That was a perfectly reasonable thing to expect.

[@Plantedbetta]

Captain Picard gave me my morals in life these fictional men are the ones who raised me … I know it’s sad to admit but this is what made my trek worth living in those days

[@terra451]

Couldn't pick an asteroid that wasn't in the neutral zone?

[@SantomPh]

it's strongly hinted that Pressman's project is not 100% above board so he chose to do it without Federation eyes peeking

[@tinman3586]

In retrospect I imagined this would have been a Section 31 operation.

[@lurchy666]

Even now all i think is All they needed to do is seperate the saucer.... Take one section in and the other could stay on guard outside.....

[@barrettincognito]

great drama but this isn't how Will would have acted if his character was actually fully embodied here. he is just a prop for this scene, why would he follow an unlawful order from the admiral when he has matured to this point and can fully evaluate the mistakes of his past? it doesn't make sense unless we assume that Will won't have an "aha!" moment until the script calls for it later on

[@kereminde]

Oh? Because I don't think so, I think I get it. He's *really* hoping they'll not find anything, or that it'll be too damaged to do anything with, or any number of ways he could completely skate by ever revisiting the whole Pegasus event. As long as nothing tums up, or there's no need to really turn around and blow the whistle... he's in the clear. He's acting under orders to keep quiet, so his butt is covered. There's also a vague implication... because of this event, he might have had "some help" climbing the ranks. If he even worried about that, then there's also a guilt over whether or not it may have happened. Not that it could be proven the Admiral had a hand in 'recommending' Riker quietly for postings where he could shine. (Including first officer of the flagship...) And remember, back in "Best of Both Worlds" - he plays it safe when it comes to the ship and its crew. Getting them in the line of fire of an Admiral with some potential backing in Starfleet Command... enough to get these experiments looked at being resumed? That's very dangerous. It's an unexploded bomb which is stable enough if not disturbed.

[@barrettincognito]

kereminde i like you're assessment. like i said, it makes for good drama, i just feel like we're past the point that the senior crew would lie to each other or the captain. maybe in season 2 or 3, but not this late in the game

[@kereminde]

@@barrettincognito Oh? Remember, in TOS - despite clearly being very good friends, neither of the 'power trio' knew much about Spock's family. (And that was after they had broken regulations for him.) I mean, in reality some of my closest friends ... I still find out new things about their pasts they don't talk about, some of which are very bad. (I just found out one of them once worked for... EA... *shudder*.) So, well, I dunno. Every time people talk about fiction being unrealistic, or things being against character... I usually stop and think long and hard, and find times in my life where reality echoed the same ideas without being too close to the fact.

[@SantomPh]

@@barrettincognito this incident was from the deep past, officially buried by Starfleet. Why would Will suddenly open up to him about it, especially with Pressman around?

[@nathanwilliams7361]

I can see humans being stupid enough to give the enemy the upper hand in the distant future.

[@Robert.R.83]

If there werent such a time crunch with romulans around, they could have modified a shuttle or two

[@christianvalentin5344]

Probably because it would be too costly to do for just one episode, but I’m thinking for safety reasons they should’ve separated the ship and send the star drive section into the asteroid. Gives it more maneuvering room and the saucer section can essentially stand guard.

[@dkoz8321]

If Starfleet cpatains are authorized to be briefed on Omega Directive, a senior captain as tuned in as Picard would know about Section 31, and know better then to mess with it.

[@mkejustuspogoplayers9391]

That admiral in on it too

[@r0bw00d]

Well of course he is. You'd have a harder time stating why that _wouldn't_ be the case.

[@r0bw00d]

@@jsullivan2112 Oh. Well that's speculation, but a thought that I agree with.

[@mcmanus260]

One of the best episodes, i just wish it came in season 1 or 2 when their relationship was still fresh. In this you never doubt Riker or Picard's faith in him

[@Robert.R.83]

You wanna take a GALAXY CLASS starship and squeeze it into an asteroid hole?

[@collinsdarkwa281]

He wants to know whats going on

[@wristdisabledwriter2893]

If Will didn’t side with Preston we would have lost to the borg

[@attiepollard7847]

How?

[@wristdisabledwriter2893]

Attie Pollard because will would have died on the Pegasus and he would never been on the enterprise and he would not have made the solution that rescued Picard do I have to keep going

[@pixel3042]

We?

[@wristdisabledwriter2893]

Blaze Infernus actually I’m making Q’s argument

[@PersonaIncognito]

This was such an excellent episode.

[@mitchellwooldridge5118]

It's 2020 and I just noted in this episode the second reference to "the head of Starfleet Intelligence HERSELF" (the other was in an episode of DS9). Any chance they're referring to Commodore Oh?

[@garysmith.3995]

They gave her the name of Admiral Raynor in this episode.

[@mitchellwooldridge5118]

@@garysmith.3995 Ah, ok. Just looked it up. Would've been interesting had she been this shady unknown character lurking in the background of both series. Thanks for clearing up!

[@MonCappy]

It's exceedingly unlikely. This episode aired nearly thirty years before Star Trek: Picard. It is likely that Commodore Oh joined Starfleet at the lowest ranks and worked her way up. She would've probably been a low ranking officer working her way up the chain off command at this point in the timeline.

[@ClarinoI]

@@MonCappy Vulcans live longer than humans though, and so generally advance more slowly in their careers. Look at Tuvok for example, he was serving on the Excelsior in 2293 as a newly graduated Ensign long before Kathryn Janeway, who would become his Captain, was even born.

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

@@ClarinoI Tuvok isn't the best metric to use in this situation. He left starfleet for a number of years because of his distaste for human "disorder." Anyone who leaves their commission will take longer to advance through the ranks.

[@nickjerrat]

lol so thinking about this, the crew decided to remove the captain, and then Riker started shooting everyone!

[@develynseether4426]

Star Trek: TNG S7E12 'Pegasus' aka Hunt for Red October in Space

[@rb_-zc9nv]

It totally weirds me out that this happens only in season 7, which means after all these years where Picard has come to trust Will as a colleague and friend, their relationship is jeopardized by a mistake Will made 12 years ago and is stuck with.

[@tormuse2916]

It's not just that Riker made a mistake 12 years ago; it's the fact that he's reinforcing that mistake by refusing to talk about it. Picard's line, "I'm taking this up with you, Will," sounds angry, but there's also a sense of hurt and betrayal in it, as in, "after all we've been through, why would you hide something this important from me?"

[@SantomPh]

@@tormuse2916 is it really Will's fault? He himself said he was a young fresh butterbar facing a mutiny on his ship with only the captain and a few others on his side. Pressman kept everything mum, so he would follow. He was also under Pressman's order to keep quiet. He is not really betraying anything or anyone, the disappointment faced by Picard is personal. Picard is more annoyed that the official records were hard to get, then Will pulls one by saying he knows more but can't tell. Picard is noticably angry at this but can't sympathize with Will either.

[@tormuse2916]

@@SantomPh I didn't say anything about "fault." Anyway, as you say, "the disappointment faced by Picard is personal." I think that lines up with what I said in my 3-year-old comment. :)

[@dkoz8321]

Riker getting a-screwed by Picard. He is in impossible situation thanks to Adm. Pressman. All without hindsight.

[@aggressiveattitudeera887]

4:45-4:55. Han Solo: "Pfffbt. *Amateurs."*

[@davidjames4915]

Couldn't Picard have also tried to contact Thomas Riker to find out what happened?

[@douglashenry6996]

It would be cool if Thomas Riker would appear on next season's episode of Picard.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@douglashenry6996 Isn't he in a Cardassian prison? Was he liberated after the war ended?

[@douglashenry6996]

@@PR--un4ub Cardassia Prime was pretty messed up by the Dominion at the end of the war. I doubt that Marquis prisoners were a big priority for what was left of the Obsidian Order.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

@@PR--un4ub At this point in time he was aboard the starship Ghandi in a distant sector. Presumably communication may have been difficult due to the distance involved.

[@straycat1674]

I get it, Starfleet not technically a military organization or at least that's what they say. But, you would think that they would still have a distinction between lawful and unlawful orders and blind in recent obedience. Does it matter what he's ordered to talk about or not talk about, if it's something that is illegal then he still culpable legally for following orders.

[@Tantalus010]

All true, but if he told Picard and things turned out differently, he could've been court martialed for disobeying a direct order from an admiral. He had a really thin tightrope to walk and it was over a pit of fire.

[@compmanio36]

Imagine a modern day analog in our military forces. You have orders that came all the way from the Joint Chiefs to do something you KNOW is against the treaties we have with say, Russia. Do you disobey that order, ending your career before it ever truly begins, fresh out of basic training and head full of platitudes about duty and loyalty, in a situation where you'd simply be silenced and cashiered out, if not thrown in Leavenworth for exposing/compromising a classified operation....or do you follow orders, especially since, you know...nobody's died yet and it seems harmless enough.... We all know what the average private or crewman would do. They'd follow the orders of the man in their face with more bars than them, and shut up about it.

[@straycat1674]

Here’s the thing. When I got a basic and one of my training schools one thing they drilled into us that regardless of who issues the order if it is an unlawful order and you pay it, regardless of your rent, you will be held criminally liable under the UCMJ. Now your penalty will not be anywhere as severe as people higher up than you. But obeying an order that you know is unlawful regardless of who gives it, is still unacceptable. Straight out of boot you may wanna be so gung ho that you do whatever you’re told. But it’s also drilled into you that there is reason obedience and blind obedience, that there are lawful and unlawful orders and that there are consequences for following the orders of a superior officer if they are illegal and you were still ordered to do so. You may not face the penalties people higher ranking than your face, but you will face legal consequence under the UCMJ. In the leadership academy I went to, that was drilled into us over and over and over. Riker as an officer, had a bit of obscured point of you. He knew about the treaties and what was considered legal or unlawful and knew that what was going on was illegal and against Starfleet laws and treaties. He chose to side with his captain who was knowingly violate any rules when instead it should’ve been reported higher up what was going on. Because disobeying the orders of a superior that are unlawful and keeping your mouth shut It’s not something you’re expected to do either. You’re expected to report it.

[@Lorkanthal]

@@straycat1674 but is it an unlawful order to break a treaty if that is what the starfleet equivalent of the pentagon and the joint chiefs want to do? Now obviously not all of starfleet was behind the decision to research a phase cloak device but it had its support way up there if not only was it able to be developed and tested but the resulting investigation was quashed and a covert recovery effort was made to retrieve the device instead of simply destroying it.

[@straycat1674]

They don't have the authority to break a treaty. No different then a general at the Pentagon or a congressman has the authority to break a treaty with anyone. Only very specific people have authority to break or modify or ratify the treaty.

[@zacharyfett2491]

This is an unfair line of inquiry from Captain Picard; yes he knows there's stuff going on but he must also know that Riker cannot talk about it. Riker's orders to remain quiet about it stand as long as Pressman is a superior officer in good standing. This, I believe, is the only time Picard was in the wrong in the entire series.

[@sithyarael6807]

Jonathan Franks really grew as an Actor and Director through out TNG. Stewart being classically trained showed more and more of it each season. Best was in First Contact when he recited Moby Dick. Showed his true training. I grew up watching TNG and DS9. For some reason growing up I never got into Voyager. Just didn't fit in the Star Trek I grew up with after watching the original ones. Watched it a few years ago and it was ok just not the same passion from the cast.

[@jt4369]

God, I miss old Picard. Not that I don't mind a slower and more cautious Jean Luc. But the current Jean Luc Picard is mawkish and weak. I'm trying to articulate why that bothers me so much, but it's difficult to put into words. I'll revisit this when I'm better able to collect my thoughts comprehensively.

[@cygnustsp]

Strange that Stewart wanted his character like that, since he himself doesn't seem that way. I couldn't get into ST Picard at all

[@httohot]

Watch the redlettermedia plinkett review of star trek Picard. It explains it all perfectly. If you don’t want to watch the entire thing the just watch the last 10 minutes for the best most visceral explanation of how this new trek has changed things for the worse

[@makasete30]

They wanted to show a broken Picard, deconstruct him, but he finds redemption by the end of the series. Which sounds great if done right, but they failed miserably in my opinion. He’s weak throughout the first series, and only seems to recover the power of making speeches, but they sound so poor when compared to those in TNG. I’m surprised they had any effect. He shows none of the insight, instinct, diplomacy and ingenuity that the TNG character was famous for, at any point. Almost everyone, apart from Riker, talks down to him, insults him, ignore him, and even teach him how to be Picard. He’s told to “shut the fuck up”, and I’ve even seen people defend Admiral Clancy and say she was right to say that to him. Compare that to how the admiral dismisses Picard here in this episode, we still feel he is right. We respect him. This is a man who saved the earth and Klingon empire, but hardly anyone one knows who he is in starfleet. He doesn’t lead, he follows, and has nothing of value to offer his team except poor speeches by the end. The result is that we end up disliking Picard, even though the has his name as the title of the series. I’ve heard people who watched the new series who haven’t seen TNG call him a dick, and wonder if TNG is worth watching because of it. He is socially inept, and feeble and didn’t have any confidence or pride. Even a broken man should show growth so that we the viewer can root for him. If there was supposed to be a redemption ark where he rediscovered his strengths or learn new ones, the writers failed completely. The Romulans end up being right about the threat. It’s called Star Trek Picard but the main character is one of the most disliked. Such a shame a great character was ruined this way.

[@asheer9114]

@@makasete30 Just one request... *NEVER AGAIN USE TERM "WE" WHEN YOU TRASH TALK ABOUT NEW SERIES* ...because no one gave you a f*cking right to speak in the name of anyone than yourself. One more thing... if you can't handle a little swearing in Picard series... then perhaps you should stick to Cartoon Network or Nickolodeon instead watching something what *obviously* is far too GROW UP for you...

[@compmanio36]

@@asheer9114 Perfect example of the audience STP and STD are shooting for. Vulgar, immature, reprehensible infants. TNG is too mature and intelligent for them to comprehend, and so they react negatively to it. They claim it's "grown up" when it's clearly the opposite. It's the teenager giggling as they drop the "F" word for the first time in their lives, looking around to make sure no adults heard it. And what's most hilarious? The poster they're responding to, never even used the word "we" in their post. If this is the next generation for our planet, we are in real trouble, folks.

[@kevinmoore2929]

"I was seven months out of the Academy....I still had words like "Duty" and "Honor" still ringing in my head"..... you are an officer in Starfleet(military)....Duty and Honor HAD BETTER be ringing in your ears, even if you are an admiral. It's your definition of Duty and your Honor that makes you the good Officer/NCO/Enlisted personnel or someone blindly following orders, legal or not.

[@tonoornottono]

starfleet is NOT a military. starfleet is an institution of science and exploration. his first duty as an officer is to do what is right, not to blindly follow orders. this comment demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the philosophy of star trek.

[@russellarcher5181]

Even so, there are things such as "Illegal Orders," where upon any serving/enlisted crewmen are under no obligation to fulfill any command that are a violation of rules & regulations. Starfleet does not research nor produce cloaking technology.

[@Lorkanthal]

@@russellarcher5181 well someone high up in strafleet wanted to otherwise there is no way it would've gotten developed as much as it had, had any investigation into the resulting loss of ship due to apparent mutiny prevented and send the flagship of the fleet on a covert salvage mission to retrieve the device instead of simply destroying it to remove all evidence.

[@russellarcher5181]

@@Lorkanthal To quote several people on the moral certitude of Starfleet, because I cannot say it any better than them, *_The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based._* Starfleet is primarily an exploratory, peacekeeping, defense force; they clearly have the ability of a higher level of defense, but chooses not to. Wolf 359 and the Dominion War obviously changed that mentality a bit. Sadly something never discussed is, the Federation likely got benefits from the Romulan treaty, other than a border. A lot of species that have allied with the Federation, probably do so because they can trust the Federation. By always seeing the federation ships it makes those races feel safer. And it's very easy to determine that the federation is holding up their border agreements when they can see that the federation isn't violating their space. Also, not having a cloak sends an extremely powerful political message to everyone: The Federation is so strong, they don't need to hide. The federation fights fair, and even if everyone else fights dirty, the Federation can STILL kick their asses. (pre J.J./Kurtzman era Star Trek; aka ST:D). The Romulans need to hide behind their cloak to feel safe, they're so self-conscious about their junk that they don't let anyone see it. Meanwhile, the Federation are so powerful they can walk around naked, no cloak, and proudly yell "look at my junk, it's bigger than yours".... and they'd be right. So if another race, like the Klingons, see the Federation, which fights fair, always upholds their agreements, and is consistently strong and stable, versus the Romulans, who hide, are deceitful, and likely to backstab you... who would you side with? The strategic loss of the cloaking device is massive, even the show runners thought so, but I think the economic, social, and political gain of upholding your moral principles, the first duty of Starfleet, was bigger. And to address the comment that started this all because I WAS NOT trash-talking Kevin Moore at the top; my definition of duty & honour, is to NOT blindly follow orders. I may not have all the information, but it appears Riker did know what happened 12yrs ago, and we have the episode today.

[@Lorkanthal]

@@russellarcher5181 with it being such a massive strategic loss does it not make sense that some of the higher ups in starfleet might consider secretly developing a cloaking device so that in the event of the romulans declaring war on the federation they quickly field their own cloaked vessels for preforming assaults deep into romulan space. Plus I'd imagine it would be easier to develop better methods of detecting cloaked vessels if you actually had cloaking technology of your own to test it out against.

[@garywheeler60]

Another great opportunity to kill off Ryker wasted.

[@lelonfurr1200]

a phase ship would not violate the treaty it only applied to cloaked technologies

[@dschultz9466]

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[@NewMusicWeekly]

Trek Admirals are almost always a good woman or a bad man.

[@stonem0013]

Nicheyev was a mixed bag. The female admiral here also wasn't that good as she seemed to be enabling.

[@NewMusicWeekly]

​@@stonem0013 Compared to most of the male admirals, all the women were saints. Yes, Nechayev and the two! here were loyal hard-arses, but the writers' aim was to make them admirable admirals that could be role-model authority figures. That's fine at first if you want to diversify, but it later becomes limiting. Villains and grey-zone guest characters are usually more interesting.

[@stonem0013]

@@NewMusicWeekly disagree. Rear Admiral Norah Satie was a great example of a heavily flawed/villainous admiral, so your theory doesn't really hold water.

[@NewMusicWeekly]

Yes, ​Satie was no saint, but her flaw was over-zealousness, not at the level of the male traitors. I think my original "almost always" is valid.

[@stonem0013]

@@NewMusicWeekly that's generous. She was clearly portrayed as a fallen hero/villain. Certainly no better than Pressman. And for the most part the male admirals are non corrupt also

[@TheCaptainCrack]

why not take a shuttle?

[@tormuse2916]

4:13 "I would recommend against it, sir. There may be gravimetric or magnetic fluctuations inside the asteroid which would overpower the engines of a shuttlecraft."

[@r1l56me]

I bet they Delta Flyer could have handled it... oh wait...

[@davidjames4915]

They definitely could have - should have - separated the ship. No need to take in the unwieldy saucer section when the much smaller engineering section was all that was needed. Another option was the never-used Captain's yacht which was quite a bit larger than a shuttle.

[@TheCaptainCrack]

@@davidjames4915 wait I know Soverign had a Captains yacht but the Galaxy class??

[@davidjames4915]

@@TheCaptainCrack Yes indeed the Galaxy class -D had it, as did Nebula class ships as well. It was shaped like a flying saucer. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Captain%27s_yacht

[@jd_27]

Should rename this to "Riker gets a bollocking"

[@mistermonologue2442]

Picard has some lovely rhetoric about lofty ideals and morals but when he doesn't get what he want from someone he considers under his station Picard gets insanely unreasonable, hypocritical and honestly seems to forget himself and everything he stands for.

[@SantomPh]

Picard "rides the regulations" more than other captains, as unlike Kirk or Sisko his circumstances are perfectly normal for the times. He is the captain of the flagship and thus has to set an example. He is closest to Data simply because they both live by the rules, but is more in tune with Riker as they both shoulder the command responsibility. In this situation Riker knows something about Pressman which might be vital to the safety of the Enterprise, so naturally Picard is angry Riker cannot tell him anything despite their closeness. Picard is not a perfect man or perfect captain, but he is the captain and therefore has to hold up the book for everyone.

[@2bituser569]

Riker could be shit Captain Pikard I’ll contact sf and take my promotion now!

[@zachflynn65]

I don't know 😁

[@zoe-janesutherland4359]

I've said this on a similar video, but if I were Riker I would have body-slammed Picard through his table screaming "who the fuck saved you from the Borg and all other kinds of shit over the years motherfucker?" before calling the admiral in so they can both beat the fuck out of Picard. You may think that's extreme, but after all the shit that Riker did to save Picard and others from danger and death over the years, he didn't deserve to get chewed out like that.

[@googleuser7454]

and that snide comment about re evaluating the command structure. Picard was right to be concerned but to forget Riker's loyalty and ignore that they were dealing with an Admiral with serious pull...

[@melk100]

3:30 A little nit pickingly of course, but asteroid 6G01 seams like a very low number for a random asteroid in a distant corner of the galaxy. Also 4:18" There may be gravimetric or magnetic fluctuations inside the asteroid" Really Data? That sounds a little silly. Sometimes it almost sounds like they just make things up!

[@eseholmes4592]

Probably just a truncation. I feel like Data was secretly trolling Pressman since he gave him that sly look earlier on.