What We Know About The 15+ Ships Currently In Development for Star Citizen (Ft. Execute)

With so many ships of the backlog, CIG has a lot of work to get through in making sure all of their sold concepts are flyable. With many set to come in the next couple months, there are several with further out timelines that might not even start for a couple more months. Join me and Execute from @Inforunners to discuss the current lineup of ships in development for Star Citizen.
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00:00 Introductions
02:10 CitizenCon Expectations
07:50 Upcoming Ships in Star Citizen
08:40 Polaris
19:20 RSI Mining Ship
25:00 Tumbril Storm
32:50 Crusader Spirit Series
40:20 Aopoa San’Tok.yai
52:30 G12 & X1
01:01:15 Argo SRV
01:06:40 Gatac Railen
01:10:40 RSI Zeus
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[@jedi_drifter2988]

Now is a good time to use these new Jump point stations to test fuel ranges. In this way you can see which of your ships can cruze Pyro without refueling and for how long. You must ask yourself, can I even cross Pyro and Can I make it back to the Stanton jump point station to refuel or repair ? That is called survival testing.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Also with the expenses of these Large - Cap ships ... My plan is to fund my War ship by running Cargo. I have Cargo ships that have the same size crew as my War ships . Now the crew will be trained in, recon, evasive maneuvers, defence, repelling boarders and repair in both ship or medical by running cargo. This is great training to put yourself in their place, when Hunting similar prey, but with large fangs, when in your War ship. This gives you both sides of the spectrum and can be used in not only Cargo, but Mining, Refueling, Salvage etc. Expect to be attacked by Pirates in all aspects of Gameplay.

[@Pharesm]

I hope Apoa ships have the needed range... :p

[@MersageSW]

This seems like something CIG can do with a few math calculations based on the Pyro map size.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

@@MersageSW Yes CIG knows, but their not telling us right now. The brosure for any ship does not say, will go X distance to Y, in Pyro or any other system.

[@rooster1012]

They said a while back that fuel ranges will be changed when Pyro drops add to that the additional automated space stations added to pyro with the full retcon to allow for a friendlier experience for players.

[@wun1gee]

There was also a ship in the code a while back called the Achilles Star Bomber. It used MSR assets so it looed like a militarized bomber variant of the MSR. WIth the Spirit having a light bomber variant and the Hercules having a heavy bomber variant, a medium bomber variant of the MSR would be pretty freaking cool. And I mean, a bomb bay would be a second exit...

[@moondogg_monte]

A1 Spirit is the Achilles. Achilles was just its code name.

[@valeriansamborski5844]

I dunno, the MSR really doesn't strike me as the sort of ship that would bomb people.

[@wun1gee]

@@valeriansamborski5844 Clear out that server room and the scanning closet and take up a good portion of the cargo bay and it's got an enormous amount of volume for ordnance.

[@Hamisback]

42:00 @SpaceTomatoToo , I pointed this out on the reddit a few months back when the fleet week kicked off. It about the horrendous amount of extra ships that are in currently in ownership by players. Take the Javelin for example it has been on sale in batches off 200 since 2014 every year and has sold out every year, not including package in the chairman club. That nearly 2000 Javelins. We aren't even factoring krakens, idris' , and other capital ships that sold in much larger quantities. And given these Capitals have to be docked at a station, we are going to see just alot of mothballed capital ships taking up a pointless amount of resources.

[@evictor99]

I would love to see a chart of the player time spent in vehicles, there are dozens of vehicles you just never see players in.

[@brodomagee7941]

I think thatd be cool, but i also think thatd just show how rich some players are which could cause problems...

[@lostcause4516]

I think that a crappy way to look at it. Other players being 'more rich' than you IRL shouldn't impact you at all in a negative manner. Fact is, those 'rich' people are what keep the game alive and will continue to do so. Now you're probably gonna bombard me with numbers and how much SC has earned over the years, idc lol. We all knew what we were getting into when we bought into the game. So keep your $45 package, and say 'thank you' to the guy you see with 2 or 3 grand in ships(or more in some cases) because essentially they helped a lot to make this project possible.

[@brodomagee7941]

@@lostcause4516 its got nothing to do with cig numbers and everything to do with privacy of those people. I wouldnt want people knowing ive got hundres or thousands of dollars irl in ships because that can affect how they percieve me and act around me weather that be salty im richer or theyre chummy cos they want stuff. And assuming how much anyones spent on the game is a terrible way of approaching an argument. You did the exact same thing you were arguing against 🙄 An overall chart of vehicle time spent without specific people would be kinda interesting though now that i think about it. Its been a while since i watched the vid so maybe thats what op was talking about i dont remember. I liked their comment a month ago tho so maybe...

[@evictor99]

You can buy 1mil aUEC for .50 cents, so I think money has very little to do with the ships people are flying.

[@brodomagee7941]

@evictor99 well... i guess that depends how youre buying auec. If youre buying it through Rsi website im pretty sure its more than that (plus exchange rate and relevant taxs depending) and if youre buying it grey market the price varies depending on patch, and im not sure rsi stance on that (i think its ok? Not sure though) but i see your point.

[@romanwiller2180]

A possibility for future ground combat options could be inter-organization wars fighting over territory control. One org has a base on a planet or moon that is really lucrative and another org goes to war with them to take it. While ship combat will be a big part of that process you will need boots on the ground to take over the physical ground location and structure and for that it would make sense to have drop ships and artillery and tanks and APCs and such all while having air support. This is just off the top of my head, but the process for this could be pretty easy to implement . Maybe make special land claim beacons for orgs and in order to capture from a rival org you have to physically get to the location and interact with the rival org’s beacon or main computer system in the base and you have to periodically interact with it over the course of an hour or two (or even longer) kinda in the same vein as hacking a comm station, and after you successfully bring down their claim you plant your beacon and it claims the land for your org. Don’t want it to be impossible to pull off but you need it difficult enough that you can’t just do it all the time. Not to mention I’m sure there will eventually be in game war events like defending a colony against a Vanduul raid or something, and those would use ground vehicles as well.

[@vazaruspaytonas7017]

The fleets...the fleets will be GLORIOUS. I cant wait for the sound of all the ships coming out of hyperspace. It will never get old.

[@Platinumsniper]

Keep in mind that the SRV isn't just a tow ship, it's also a forklift/cargo crane like the MPUVs.

[@LeifPalmin]

Exe always have so strange far out theories. 😂 he never disappoint.

[@Blackburn6969]

Agreed, Very much the over-critical thinker :D I dont think there will be an issue for content this year. The primary reason the event is over 2 days is REALLY for those that are attending in person. Letting them see all the community stands, merch, events etc without having to worry or race to each room for a certain presentation. The people watching at home really aren't going to be bothered that much I dont think, its better in a way as there nothing to miss, its all on one channel.

[@lunamaria1048]

@@Blackburn6969 I love Inforunners, but Exe is not critical, at all. Not of SC. He is all white knighting for SC and praising it, sometimes obsessively.

[@manuelelizondo2778]

Great content, work night shift stumbled into this channel, will recommend adding pictures to ships while talked about for us brand new guys that are not as familiar to see, keep up good work👍

[@kennethjensen730]

He on crack, look at him omg.

[@805Peej]

AKA, just making stuff up! For real, CIG could use someone with his product vision

[@gratchhalloway4463]

Space Tomato, you are my Star Citizen champ. Much love.

[@brassfist7739]

I absolutely loved this episode. Execute has one of the best outlooks for SC. I hope he is doing well, he seems not like his normal self lately. Keep of the great work @SpaceTomato and @Execute.

[@odobenusrosmarus9495]

I have a pledge C1, and I at least hope CIG makes the A1 a loaner for C1 owners despite the difference in gameplay. I really love the ship design, and I don't really want to wait while an almost identical ship is out that I can't fly. God darn FOMO.

[@BoatLoadsofDope]

I couldn't wait any longer, so i CCU'ed to a Drake Corsair 😅 Maybe stupid, i'm almost sure it's gonna be released before IAE

[@LemonToGo]

I mean it is just four weeks from 3.21 A1 patch to IAE basically so you do not have to wait that long (Assuming PTU starts on Citcon day)

[@VantaGenesis]

I think my current expectation for CitCon is that we'll see another SQ42 visual demo like the one we got a few years ago, and maybe an extended cutscene involving the F8. If you keep your expectations low, you'll always be impressed!

[@mobibobobobobobobvobobo]

I love seeing Execute on podcast ever since I saw him on SCL (Pipeline now) years ago. His enthusiasm is infectious.

[@johnboyd9713]

I had a critical misunderstanding about the Zeus rumors. I thought they were releasing the 500 year old Zeus as like a collectors "Gee Wizz that's a cool antique reproduction" thing. A Zeus Mark 2 that slots in somewhere between a freelancer and an Apollo? With possibly having variants right out the gate? That is far more hype.

[@bsquaredbundles]

My theory on the Railen is that it just has a cargo grid on the outside of the ship and regular cargo boxes and other items can be attached to it. Conversely the xian cargo boxes can go on other cargo grids as well. They'll just need to work out additional snapping code for stacking triangular shapes.

[@thalstantrailwalker2393]

If you look at the monthly report, we are seeing that we are still getting things like "we are now able to do X, Y or Z" with this improvement. This means that they are still building the tools they need to build the game, not that they are done building the game. Even if they complete the tools this year (2023), it will still take 12 months to go from done with tools to done with game and done testing out the beta.

[@simonm7590]

“Getting locked up by a Polaris” should make you scared. I agree, but it doesn’t. The bigger the missiles, the easier they are to duke and out manoeuvre! There is very little threat from most missiles and torpedos in this game. Now, if the military had access to missiles/Torps that no one in the CDF had effective countermeasures for them that would all of a sudden change the threat and in a very good way. Love you content Mr T!

[@justalex4214]

Because we don't have the larger cap ships yet, those won't be able to dodge torpedos. Also remember the combat gameplay we have rn is not nearly final, pretty sure in time CIG will make torps viable enough to use them effectively.

[@simonm7590]

@@justalex4214 yeah I get that but we aren’t talking about the future, we are talking about how they improve gameplay right now and right now, these are not threats to any ship. You can be a small ship and run around dodging missiles all day long in this game currently. I’d like for that to change. IRL you’d be most likely toast and a serious pucker factor if you get locked up by a SAM. Just want that to translate into gameplay. Hoping it does ‘in the future’ 🤞🏻

[@justalex4214]

@@simonm7590 well of course, but SC is mostly "soon TM" and less "we're gonna change it now", so all we can do is hope that it gets improved soon TM

[@Gm-ce5kg]

heard about manually controlled torps ?

[@julcot8972]

SRV : assisting large ships in landing in stations sounds like a good trade

[@hephaestion12]

Outstanding cope lads much enjoy ❤

[@nemesisfaust]

now discussion of artillery weapons is very cool. not in the aspect of tanks. but actual artillery cannons. for instance, you could hook up an artillery cannon to the back of hover quad or whatever and drag it out somewhere, then get in the artillery cannon and it have 2 functions. 1 kill things, 2 lock down for no mobility. which is interesting not just for ground combat, but for potentially adding stationary cannons to ship surfaces perhaps..? as that sounds very cool indeed. like to any ship hard point that has a docking caller or landable surfaces. so like a constellations 2 side docking ports, or even a cutlass blue 2 side docking ports, or like the front walk or top head of a liberator or kracken, ect ect ect. idk... a very interesting concept idea tho.

[@briancurtis3916]

You mentioned licenses for the torpedos tomato. This is a similar thing I've suggested. However I tend to think of it for the Crucible and repairing. Essentially paying manufacturers like RSI and Drake or GATAC and Esperia for the plans and blueprints so our repair facilities know *how* to repair certain ships. I imagine being certified to repair exotic alien ships should require special materials, and special knowledge of their construction. Outside of simple ships like auroras and mustangs, or quick patch jobs, using reputation to determine *if* we can buy the blueprints, then money to acquire them, then maybe certification upkeep fees to stay certified legally. It could separate run-of-the-mill players from having instant abilities to fully repair something like an Idris, and give a reason for repair professionals to exist and have unique value. To your point about the torpedos, either requiring a "High Ordinance" license or something (for in-game UEC currency) from the UEE to carry those, OR high reputation. This would lead to two separate paths for obtaining the legal right to have these. Unlawfully carrying or using them could have fee penalties, making it more expensive to have them. If you want to pay the fees, then that's a third way to have them - just be fined. This should/could probably apply to most dangerous items, like rail guns, rocket launchers, C4, etc. High yield explosive ordinance should be 'regulated' in UEE space, to add in-game reasons for everyone not carrying a bazooka everywhere. Or at least being more tactful with it.

[@mu235]

Space Mitchell on Demand, basically?

[@Max_Flashheart]

Looking forward to the Polaris and the Spirit series. Spirit E1 might be like a Cessna Citation (12 pax business jet)

[@justalex4214]

Wonder if it'll also have the crusader specific explosive engine sounds...those might not necessarily fit the luxury transport theme

[@akalaification]

The reality of it is that if you want you be a solo pilot, you need a solo ship. You cant fly a Polaris size ship by yourself. If you want to be Bingo Swans, solo space pirate, you are probably limited to a cutlass or similar as the largest realisticly flyable ship. I have a Polaris and i dont know what i was thinking. i dont have enough friends to fly it. :/

[@StardustCrusad3r]

Add me, Stardust_Crusader, I play with a group of friends quite actively:)

[@gallantstryker9897]

I've only bought ships I enjoy. Took inforunners (exec) advise and had CCU chains ready to pull the trigger if I loved the ship after an expo or free fly.

[@kenp1677]

I was in my element with original hover mode. But terrible at FPS, I was actually sad to see it go, but I get the fact that not everyone is an IRL pilot nor should they expected to be. I think this is all about balance.

[@peinacalvos95]

Can't wait to see some greybox of my beloved Polaris. I hope to see some greybox updates in autumn of 2024. I also own the Perseus so I'll start drooling once I hear they are hands on it too.

[@_lewtz]

E1 is like private planes, concord or whatever... the Origin 400/600/890 are more like Luxury Yachts. I also think on that graph calling it commercial was a mistake. If you look at it as "civilian" it makes more sense, since the other side is military.

[@Dj3ndo]

Can't wait till the Spirit comes out. Got the E1 but i'll be happy with a C1 loaner for a bit!

[@LemonToGo]

Planning to get the E1 at IAE. Just hope they do not forget about it now. Getting the C1 and an upgrade to the E1 which will be applied when it comes out.

[@Dj3ndo]

@@LemonToGo I wish they would just spawn npcs in seats for now for the passenger transport. I dont see why it would be a huge deal to do.

[@fishbaitx]

The enclosed cab of the x1 makes it now more equivalent of the Merlin and the Archimedes which makes the 400i with the x1 bay now more competitive with the constellation series

[@Gm-ce5kg]

connie still massively outguns it though

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

The Santok y'ai and Mirai Fury have come into the game now because CIG needs more data on how ships with that kind of thrust perform in space and in atmo. Currently they only have sample dataset of one with the Aopoa Khartu' al Xian Scout. At least that is my opinion.

[@kenp1677]

The 400i temperature controlled room isn't cargo-like storage as far as I know. It's for component only, isn't it? What's Exe talking about?

[@nemesisfaust]

the exploration variant of the cutter sounds a bit correct. however im still hoping for the fury xd as that is the last fury variant we are suppose to get, and was suppose to come out with bounty 2.0 on the original 2023 pirate week timeline before 3.20 got pushed from may30th to pirate week. so that is an either/or but i see the fury xd coming out more so when the heat and total cooling system overhaul is done as that was suppose to be apart of 3.20. as i didnt see that overhaul stuff on the update list. so its still in the air on that and most likely the cutter variant i think. also it shouldn't be the timbral storm aa, because if its is a vehicle variant for a ship that is already released... the storm was held from release and not out yet. so it wouldn't be a storm aa. as with a S3 railgun it doesnt need an aa variant of it really in the first place. i think its a mule variant, because i remember something about one of the designers talking about different type of mules for loading different types of things which is part of pre-personal/industrial hanger stuff. is a mule not just able to carry 2m boxes or 4m boxes but also various containers as well. but that was just a few weeks ago if i recall and i've been sick with strep so i dont know. just seems a little early for something like that with little to no mentions to oh here it is. so idk...

[@nemesisfaust]

tomato spoke about 3.21/3.21.x or whatever for spirits ect... i think execute is correct here about the spirit being more timmed around the tractorbeam, also the cargo haul spaces. the haul spaces are different from each of them if you open the files and look at the 3d renders the variants are incomplete in the cargo spaces transitioning from the walk paths of the E1 and the C1. where other update information's about 3.21 is only live now on ptu1 with server meshing, and zylo already stated ladder on live pu will get an iterations of partial meshing with 3.21.x. so... 3.21 has to go threw all 5 test phases, and even then server meshing isnt coming to pu and will stay on the ptus, and will only allow partial server mesh after an iterations of 3.21 standalone goes out. then 3-4 weeks after that will be the 3.21.x partial mesh update, so if looking at 8/9weeks away... that is like January 15th for partial server mesh to pu at earliest. so that means instead of doing 1 or 2 3.20.x patches we will probably have more 3.20.x patches in the next 5/6 weeks as 3.21 is going threw the test phases. so probably 4 more updates of 3.20 fixes and little things here and there. then they will head off for winter break, right before the iea event updates and releases. as this week, next, 2 early in nov, then not much more till iae in december is what i am thinking.

[@nemesisfaust]

just as a recap, thats 3.20.x updates with a1 at citizen con maybe, and then c1 at iae. as well as polaris iae sales. and whatever new first look in addition to galaxy sales ect. then jan15th chineese newyear event and 3.21 will maybe go live to pu then... and we will still be waiting for that 3.21.x update for parital meshing to pu. as they will probably do 1 or 2 updates after 3.21. then military week in march we will probably get 3.21.x with parital server mesh, and ai passenger updates by then with the E1 release. that is just what i am thinking.

[@nemesisfaust]

thing that sucks is their still delaying industerial and personalized hangers. and why i think their pushing partial meshing for 3.21.x instead of that stuff for bounty 2.0 and passenger loadings for update 3.3. so their adding the 3.7partial mesh and 3.82gates stuff in now as 3.21.x as we also still need improved atcs2.0 for update 3.9 before pyro4.0. so if they add that in while waiting on improved grids and personalized hanger + interactions. that means when we are at update 3.3... were ready to cook. cuz 3.7-3.9 will already be in. and pyro 4.0 could occur anytime there after.

[@draakdeon]

they say in 1:16:5 from august report: that a all new ship progressed through whitebox revealing various areas that require updating from the concept, including an increase to the interior space. and then following up in the september report: this all new ship it says now white boxfor a new vehicle mentioned in the previous report is nearing completion. last month the team solved some of the space issues opting for smaller beds with a tighter layout tey also separated out the base model from the variants. am i the only one that think that it may be the apollo?

[@rock2k14]

I mean, the first days calender for citizencon literally has "navigating the universe" as the last thing of the day and reads exactly like it's about the starmap and other things related to it

[@monty58]

Wasn't there also possibly an MPUV variant?

[@Loco_Da_Ryder]

I think u and execute may be wrong about the buyers remorse. It will be empty ships right up until the day AI is working perfectly then it'll be fully crewed ships everywhere. In which case Ai may not be better than a full crew ship of ppl workin on all cylinders but way better than a fully crewed ship of ppl half assin and playing around. Cig is selling the dream to everyone solo and muti ppl teams. Crews will be available for all guarantee. They won't allow that $ to come off the table. They will add in game fees to crew play just like the taxes on land claims insurance and hanger fees. I think the only ppl that will end up having buyers remorse will be the ppl that didn't buy the ships they want and realize price goes up when the game starts that it'll be the next 12 months of grind to try to get enough $ in game to get the same ship, if they lucky. Great vid tho guys keep up the good work!

[@davidlister7590]

I want the Railen more than anything else due to how cool it looks and how it lands.

[@gametheblame9951]

they said that they specifically want the new mining ship to be able to hold a ROC/ROC-DS

[@arielfetters5662]

The Spirit E1 would be like a Piaggio Avanti

[@teemos2732]

How about this theory-crafting? The 'to be announced' space (top left of Citcon map) is going to host a demo / presentation about S42, instead of an actual presentation on-stage - this way they build a lot of hype through the streamers / attendees, without broadcasting too many spoilers to the masses.

[@brianreck5971]

Wonder if the variant of the existing ship is Retaliator base…maybe they’re ready to test with modules?

[@o7Zim]

im very into the idea of the battlefield like game play. now orgs can sandbox this and force a battlefield in the middle of no where which could be epic if you find the right terrain. or cig can help funnel players into locations like jumptown. its great that jumptown got a bigger facility but i wish it was a believable town. games like battlefield heavily relies on level design.. terrain and building placement and movement of players on foot/vehicles/ships need to be considered to improve the quality of fire fights. i have played a lot of hours on jumptown... i pick a p6 and railgun with a lot of ammo and i can just 3rd party every small fighter that gets close, every vehicle is easy to take out and with the p6 i can get into a spot where i have 80-90 percent view of the entire area. its pretty hard to see players on foot from a ship but currently there is very little cover to make it feel like a cod or battlefield location. the med to close range gameplay is lacking. taking air superiority shouldn't mean that all players on the ground should be able to taken out easily if spotted. using alt f4 you can spot ppl extremely easily (and dont get me wrong i dont want the camera to go away) but taking cover within a larger jumptown "town" should be considered. the new underground facilities could solve these issues by funneling players underground but its going to lack a lot of experiences that would otherwise be if it werent underground.. would love to see a jumptown on a breathable planet surface where airlocks arent needed and maybe 50-100 small to med size buildings are laid out in a way to create obvious paths for vehicles, obvious paths for infantry. maybe incorporate natural obstacles such as rivers. this will create an improved combat experience for inf vs inf, inf vs vehicle, vehicle vs ship, and inf vs ship. the facility could be in the center of a town or maybe the terrain is used more so the facility is on the side of a mountain in between two cliffs. ships wouldn't be able to land at the facility right outside the door but a vehicle could drive up the road to the facility passing by a bunch of buildings against the cliffs on either side to help with that ground to air separation. the closer you get to the facility the harder it is for a ship to be effective. would like to see this kind of thing.

[@nemesisfaust]

the starliner is economy lots of seats but general purpose, aka citizen transports. meanwhile military transports will want a cutlas steel with 20 seats or a herc M2 with 24 seats. for instance where the Herc also has armorers storage capacity and equipment which is more versatile for military transports. then the phenix is luxury but it only has 3 rooms which is 2 people each. so max of 6 transport with 2 per room. meanwhile the 890jump is 2 people per room with 12 rooms for luxury transit for 24 people. the difference between business is luxury is no rooms but compartment spaces per seat, so 6 chairs on each side is 12 chairs total of 12 luxury transports but no actual beds for sleeping, just luxury business chairs. so for doing short hops the 12 luxury seats is far better bonus pay than having a phenix with 3 rooms or like 3 parties with 1 party having 2 people together for 4 passengers. so the constellation phenix average luxury transport is 4 people for extremely high rate of pay, meanwhile the E1 spirit is 12 people for very high rate of pay. so if you had to rate them in a * category the phenix 4 people is ***** aka 5 stars. so 20k credits x4 x5 x2 early arrival bonus. = 800k credits. but an E1 spirit is 12 people *** so like 15k x12 x3 x 2 early arrival bonus. = 1080k. a good amount more than the phenix 3room or 600i 2room. assuming you get 12-14 vip travelers and arrive early you get about 20% more pay considering. being close to 2 million per hour as they are short hops! being the best time consumptions of pay per travels till you get too the 890jump. or doing military hot zone direct deployment contracts with a M2. which could yield about 15% more due to combat risks. like 2.12m/hr. making the Orion, the 890jump, the M2, the E1, the Prospector... the top 5 most profitable ships in the game.

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

I NEED a Medical ursa. Salvage Mule and MPUV, and tractor fury snub. getting the Tumbril Rangers would be nice too.

[@Brictoria_1]

Regarding ground vehicles - isn't the UTV still "under development", with nothing technologically preventing it from being able to be developed/released?

[@kratoa92]

The G12 is held back by having no turret slave. It's gimmick was really an extra computer for running the turret solo. Which isn't in the game

[@mariomarques1507]

No Apollo? You used the image but didn't talk about it... 😢

[@Pharesm]

So Tomato wants to regulate potatoes and make them so expensive nobody can use them. I think CIG has a very different idea. And I have yet another plan: My idea is using the Polaris because of its name and I'll do exploration with it.

[@anepicotter4595]

in regards to the conversation at about 16:00 and particularly the sentence at about 17:50, warships don't make money. smaller craft can make bounty money but an actual warship will be a large operational cost for defense or offense against other orgs

[@805Peej]

Take a drink every time Exe says AIE instead of IAE

[@evobsm2328]

😅 oh oh..

[@lystic9392]

Weren't the German flak used for anti infantry rather than artillery?

[@stefanw2500]

I think the Galaxy gets an agriculture mod. But also think agriculture will be better on actual land, on planets. More space, endless dirty around, and spaceships are more consolidated, contained, limited space.

[@SingleTrack66]

Execute actually IS a Spacemonkey that lives in a special environment. So he should know.

[@obitwizzle3766]

The Polaris might not have a "purpose" right now, but it would give Orgs the ability to LIVE in space, assuming it will stay out there while people are logged out.

[@arrclyde4325]

Who says that you have to make money with every kind of ship? Big combatships are not daily drivers, they are not big money makers, they are in fact money spenders. And you have to have income streams that match the cost of running those ships. Events like XT will be a rare occasion, so there is not many uses if you concider that your only ship. Big orgs will probably use them as a way to scare of pirates and/or attack them and other competitors. But it must be worth the investment.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

There has to be some big positive tradeoff! You're right, it doesn't have to be money!

[@arrclyde4325]

I am currently also in the same spot that i probably have to many ships. So i melted some of them and got myself the galaxy, which i only plan on using with friends. And the other ones are ships i can confortably fly solo with added value when flown with 1 - 3 friends. And i keep my Titan. But for bountyhunting, all those pure combat ships will be less used as you can not capture prospects. So there is a trade off... to come back to the use for combat ships. I guess we are looking to much in those mission type of ways to play the game. A lot of worth and gains will come from sandbox activities. That is where big combat ships will probably shine. But i don't think they are designed to make a constant stream of income. That is not the purpose of combatships.

[@zahvy]

Much love

[@LemonToGo]

I expect the new Starmap to be completely finished UI. No more reworks, or redos. This has to be it. Do not disappoint CIG.

[@TheGlassSword]

I have a revolving ship that I melt constantly to try out the new ships currently it’s set as the A1 and a storm once they are buyable in game or I am done trying them out I’ll melt them and buy the next new ship and so I don’t spend too much. There are ships that I keep like the 315p-one of my favorite starters and a constellation Taurus (which I might melt finally for the phoenix)

[@nemesisfaust]

the zuse isnt rsi's spirit. the zuse by lore is the ship that set out the passage ways for all space habitations to marz and beyond before the humans met the allied aliens. as its a cross between the genesis starliner and the pioneer. not doing heavy constructions nor heavy transport, but a medium roll of both as an earlier developmental type of ship. aka the zuse shuttle. it builds stations, first habitation points, ect ect ect...

[@seveneternal7988]

ARTY YES that would be incredible

[@michaelsmith953]

I want a larger than the mole miniing ship, like 4-5 people

[@bobstark4201]

CIG needs to put their money where their mouth is. They love to show off all these cool ideas or projects they're working on, yet somehow it usually never makes its way into the PU. As a consequence, in the eyes of many including myself, there's a lack of interest in what they showcase at any of these events. If they don't QUICKLY follow through with what they showcase at CitizenCon, they'll lose a lot more money from backers who have lost their patience with CIG's extremely slow progress combined with their insanely buggy PU.

[@wyattbranham4919]

Polaris seems designed as a bodyguard / org warfare ship. Perfect for mercenary gameplay.

[@Erodoehtdtm]

the SRV is the Tugboat of Star Citizen !!!

[@Astralox]

I remember yiur firet video. Im stilo here i love it that u always hav.e q video on whatl i wqnt not ooder than 2 weeks love it!

[@mikeloeven]

Speaking about the enclosed bike I have raild on and on about how idiotic the design of the mole side arms are given that no sane ship designer would have allowed the concept of open cabin mining arms in a deep space / potentially hazardous environment mining ship Same with the ROC as well the majority of planets in the game will not be habitable so you would not see open cockpit designs in industrial vehicles very often. I think the ONLY reason they designed these vehicles was to encourage use of the Pembroke and Caldara suits which had just come out ignoring the fact that those suits cant even handle the intense atmospheres on some planets I am hoping we see a retrofit of the existing mining vehicles to correct this in gold standard

[@jeffroLife]

I wish they would focus on ships they promise many people. The Polaris was promised in 2016 to be ready in 2017...I feel for those people who have been waiting on yet another bad lie by CIG

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

When it comes to ships not getting used, collectors "use" their ships as show pieces sitting unused. Just because it isn't flown doesn't mean the buyer has no use for it.

[@BillyFrench]

They can just make noncombat Apollo variants. Let's hope.

[@rooster1012]

The SRV can not move asteroids at least not now as they are immovable static objects in the game as of now.

[@Gm-ce5kg]

890 j can move them , cmon now

[@FieldHoodGaming]

CIG has never released any major update during or for Citizencon, BESIDES, the normal Q3 patch that was always late. 2023 Q3 patch release tell us that it was released too soon, and full of bugs. In part, same story as last year, and the year before that, and the year before than all the way back to 3.0

[@polla2256]

I don't think 3.20 was that bad, at least not for the reasons 3.18 was. Yes there are bugs and the first few days was a car crash but 3.18 was an utter disaster.

[@honorabledodger]

The elephant in the room is the Apollo. We need gameplay, not big ships.

[@Bongus75]

cool talk

[@Xenon676]

Human element of development, ROFLMFAO. A full fledged AGI and Quantum computing will be a reality before this game ever releases.

[@RD-qn4gt]

I look at Star Citizen as a "Getting my feet wet" for SQ.42. And I am fine with that. To be honest, I would prefer a Sq.42 type game, with more of a "main mission story driven" rather than all this cool stuff with generic missions. Just my take on it.

[@nemesisfaust]

20 you think..? try 40s10 torpedo's = polaris. perseus is 5 per side of S8 which was reduced to S5. so 10S5 and should be at least S7's and needs to be fixed.

[@piejack2]

“SANTAKE EYE”?? How do you spell that (?!?)

[@SniperSnipedYou]

citizencon: day 1 is squadron 42, day 2 is star citizen

[@rooster1012]

No it is not the schedule clearly shows Star Citizen day 1 and 2, there may be an announcement before day 1 closes for SQ42 but it is clearly not getting a whole day.

[@justalex4214]

This "one part of the org has to earn money to fund the operations of the other" thing is exactly what deters me from joining orgs, especially larger ones. I already have a fulltime job where I do just that, so I don't want to do this "small cog in the machinery" crap in my games. As long as I can do stuff alone or screw around with a couple friends, that's enough for me.

[@sketchtherapy1218]

I love execute.

[@nemesisfaust]

22 ships being worked on..! 13+ 2 zuse, +1 mule, fury xd, polaris, galaxy, orion, liberator, perseus. 22 ships being worked on..! the back log they addressed to be expected dec 2023 threw dec2024. beginning with Polaris ending with Perseus.

[@borismarkus5960]

When people start to slow on pace on buying ships, developers will start to work on new systems and eventually game will enter beta phase

[@Hetzer86]

While listening to all the ground vehicles to be released, I'm still wondering about their actual purpose. At this point, they're all cash cows without any purpose. And I cannot think of any short- to mid-term changes or additions that would change that. Really a huge red flag so far.

[@Gm-ce5kg]

can you say that about the ... tank, ballista, centurion? have you played the game properly ?

[@Hetzer86]

@@Gm-ce5kg Yes I can say that about basically... every. single. vehicle. If you want to make up your own fantasy scenarios, where the "tank", ballista and centurion play any role whatsoever, great for you. But there is and will not be, for a very long time, ANY game loop requiring OR supporting ground vehicles. It's just hardcore role playing and money milking.

[@gman2x]

Storm AA = Storm anti artillery. Its described as a Frontline penetrator for taking out backline artillery. Artillery can be any large cannon shell thrower such as a nova tonk. Basically they are introducing the storm to counter the nova.

[@quartermaster-post.3875]

EXACTLY, at ~50:00, it's not a GAME. It's a total lie!!! Exactly, best comment in this whole video. Chris is selling a PROMISE. Promises are goo, until they aint! He has absolutely no-obligation!

[@tlove21]

Execute is a dreamer, and Space is more practical. I would more believe in Space analysis.

[@vulcan4d]

They will tell us that they trained AI to finish the game because it will take a billion man hours otherwise.

[@wafflesinsanity]

the way Execute says Xi'an makes me irrational Also, the sideways flight is in game. It game with the Fury.

[@thehearseguy9442]

sadness i just want my Vulcan

[@Platinumsniper]

Execute's point of view on hover mode is the same as my point of view on landing splines. I love landing splines and they made sense, but the community's incessant whining and bitching forced CIG to remove them.

[@Integer_Overload]

Cant wait to see someone absolutely obliterate a Merlin or Fury with a Polaris torp😂

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

I mean, if they get hit by that, it's their fault. Lol

[@GalenCrayn]

"Confirmed" from CIG means nothing

[@quartermaster-post.3875]

Ok so, yea, game-dev is hard. So is a lot of other real-shit other then games. Like building and flying actual rockets, yet I never hear those guys complain about "Oh developing rockets is hard". NO ONE cares. People want results. CGI is a incompetent-company ran by an incompetent-CEO, who has lied his way to the top and should be under investigations for false and misleading claims! This same trope: making games is hard, is old and it's not going to work anymore. You know I wonder about the dichotomy between modern-game-dev and past-performances. We had much better games because the devs had LIMITS. Seems to me the improvement in technology has actually made making games HARDER, LOL. How can this BE? How can 1-guy make Tunic but CGI can't get 1000+people on the same page. Wow, what the f is really going on in gaming these days? Maybe I need to release a MVP-title, oh that means, Minimal-Viable-Product, which is an oxy-moron in itself, where a game-dev can release straight CRAP and patch it later! Only in game-dev is this type of behavior accepted by the user base.

[@Pharesm]

Guys, who in hell wants to sit down for fine dining to eat . . . nothing at all? This is Lord of the Rings level role playing, I could never stomach... There are hard limits to transfer the most common ordinary day to day things into a game! I'll be shocked to find anyone who wants to play "eating" I consider it lunacy!

[@rooster1012]

There are many roleplayers in SC, as far as passengers, shopping and maybe dining if it is ever added these are aimed at NPC's as we saw in the demo a few years back.

[@michaelsmith953]

alpha uec prices aren't equivalent to real game prices lol

[@ZeroBadGames]

no one remembers the liberator :(

[@Sams911]

they keep developing new ships and yet their current ships are riddles with bugs... the 890J and Carrack just two of the big $$ ships I own that have the most irritating and easy to fix bugs and yet continue to be unplayable in many respects due to these bugs. And I am so tired of hearing about squadron 42... I didn't "pledge" $2500 for yet another single player space game .... Multiplayer and PvP is what I wanted.

[@0PsychosisMedia0]

Yeah. The original 4-6 ships, especially the Freelancer, need a huge redesign...again. I officially left..stop playing about 4-5 years ago. I haven't logged in and removed the alpha 2-3 years ago. It's a ass backwards pisspoor development...15 years and counting in alpha. Pathetic.

[@KamiCorp2953]

Absolutely love these talks with Space Tomato and great for listening to when driving or doing things around the house. But man, I cannot stand the InfoRunners...

[@HardMode..]

Buying ships is part of the addiction. I don't believe someone that has played SC a lot, yet hasn't come up with their own reasons to buy ships. Yes buying a 45$ starter ship with SC download is the best value and all you will ever need but it's definitely not all you will ever want.