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@gaozongyang24553 жыл бұрын
Thank you for breaking the steps down!! 🦋
@horoshuhin3 жыл бұрын
i think its a good therapy to post this video every 6 months to remind ourselves to learn and practice the game. forever GOLD. thanks guys
@Nick-qj7ym3 жыл бұрын
4:20 "That's gonna take a long conversation." That convo would be 30min max. I would be convinced that 30min of your time discussing what I want is worth a couple extra grand.
@zrowedaartistviews22783 жыл бұрын
Where can I see more full videos
@JeffLocke13 жыл бұрын
I have a sad counterpoint to your profit sharing proposal. If you don't know, movie studios offer this proposal, or accept it from a client's agent, agreeing to share profit on the back end for a lower upfront contract. However, they use questionable accounting practices to hide their profits thereby never having to pay on the deal. It's why smart actors and their agents never agree to backend profit or percentages. Just a little fyi.
@jgiltner50564 жыл бұрын
I usually say something like this “I cannot provide the level of service that you deserve at that price, if I take this project at that price you will not see the results that my clients typically see.” I never thought about negotiating in this manner. Thanks, I learned a lot from your video!
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear J.
@LuiEntertainment4 жыл бұрын
That’s also a fantastic and classy response. Would you mind if I used it when appropriate?
@janieart4 жыл бұрын
@@LuiEntertainment Yes, I do not mind. Sharing is caring.
@LuiEntertainment4 жыл бұрын
@@janieart Thank you!
@rotaruiulian4 жыл бұрын
I actually find it offensive. The quality of your services should not vary by price, but the quantity - yes. When it comes to making a video, there is no other way, you do it or you don't, when it comes to photography, you just make less photos.
@mathewgrubb43484 жыл бұрын
The fact that this content is out there and free is unreal. College helped hone in my design skills and prepare me for my first job, but they didn't say you would be mass producing cookie cutter designs, feel like a zombie on the 8-5 mundane grind, and be a replaceable spoke on a wheel on a fancy bike you can never drive. Starting my own business has been the most anxiety ridden challenges of ups and downs, but I wouldn't change it for anything. The wins and loses fall on me and not things out of my control. This is the content I should have been absorbing from day 1. Thank you, it has helped me a lot.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
we are here for you on your journey Matthew.
@leowong76944 жыл бұрын
So true
@Kactapuss4 жыл бұрын
amen
@HomeStudioBasics4 жыл бұрын
"but I wouldn't change it for anything." So spot on, man. I tell this to people all the time. It's hard. Frustrating. Infuriating even, working for yourself. It can create doubt about yourself and your abilities. But there's nothing else quite like it.
@comealiveco3 жыл бұрын
I’m with you here.
@drwrap34314 жыл бұрын
A client that tries so hard to not pay your price will continue to hound you on every detail and drive you insane. At the end of this negotiation, it seems like a good deal has been made, but my experience in real life tells me that a client like that is better off finding some schmuck to do his video for a thousand bucks. What if he had agreed to the other offer and stiffed you? Then you have more expenses and time in court and you'll be lucky to ever see a dime of any judgement. When he said his budget was $1000, I would have said "You've never had a video produced professionally before, have you?" Then go through the value of it and let them guess how much it actually costs. Then I would have told him my price is $4500, but I can do it for $4000 if he's willing to wait an extra week or some other concession. In some situations I would also offer a 1/4 length video or some other service that is only $1000. 20+ years of sales experience has taught me that cheap clients are almost always a problem. It's better to miss a sale than deal with the back-end hassles of a client who can't really afford you. Great video, very thoughtfully done!
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
True
@olivergilpin4 жыл бұрын
💯💯
@Emjayography4 жыл бұрын
They always end up finding someone cheaper these days unless you are in a Professionial Market and have tons of prior content. Especially for weddings or Music Artist. I have lost several music video gigs because they don't won't to provide the money for the budget of the video
@alisalim35074 жыл бұрын
i challenged a client the same, negotiated a better and worse scenario for him, he said i will think about it, definitely he will come back, i have done a lot like these, some slip under the radar though
@drwrap34314 жыл бұрын
@@Emjayography Do you know if those videos you lost ever got made?
@carloshidalgo49823 жыл бұрын
This is how I want to spend my weekends. Chilling with some high level homies in a room just role playing and scheming!!! Awesome content!!!
@DoffDoffinson3 жыл бұрын
That sounds amazing tbh. I love having back and forths like this, no one getting upset or letting their emotions get to them, just a good old mental chess round
@TowaBeer3 жыл бұрын
This is what we do for our clients and friends who are all entrepreneurs. Come for coffee and chat with the "Oracle" and we all level up together 🙏🏾
@DoffDoffinson3 жыл бұрын
@@TowaBeer Where's it at?
@TowaBeer3 жыл бұрын
@@DoffDoffinson We had a spot on Spadina but had to vacate due to COVID. Looking for new space again :)
@sammyavila58813 жыл бұрын
Hjk
@LexTalksFashion Жыл бұрын
This was so reaffirming to me. This goes hand in hand with “perceived value”. I used to undercharge because I was afraid of charging people money for what I do even though I literally went to Uni for it and have several years of professional experience (I’m a freelance fashion designer). When I undercharged, I was met with clients who wanted to haggle even more. Now that I understand my worth as a designer and that I make clothing brands a lot of money, I always work with my dream clients! They trust I’m going to deliver. To all my creatives, you don’t have to be a starving artist! The world needs what you have to offer ✨ may you all land the clients of your dreams!
@viditjain93586 ай бұрын
@lexTalksFashion In the beginning should you settle for less?
@KayBeOnline5 ай бұрын
@@viditjain9358 I know you asked the original poster, but I thought I'd chime in. No, you don't settle for less. This is a mistake that a lot of people make, especially those who actually have the talent/skill to back up their work. You may not be charging $1,000 out the gate (let's say it's just $200 right now), but focus on client transactions that are mutually beneficial. Maybe you have to offer a complimentary service to someone you know to start building your portfolio. Maybe you give a discounted service (single service, not multiple services) to a business, but let it be known that it's a discounted service/introductory price and see if you can work out something on the backend - if not monetary, at least have them advertise you to their colleagues or send word-of-mouth business. And, if you want word-of-mouth business/referrals from that particular clients, 1) make sure you deliver excellent work and 2) be positive that you want more clients like them (bad clients traveling packs, good clients traveling packs). The point is, if you constantly take on clients who undervalue you, take advantage of you, and who are fine with taking work from you at the expense of your growth, then that relationship is not beneficial... It's counterproductive and draining. Don't get yourself trapped in that. Trust me... A lot of us have been there.
@buckwilde15114 жыл бұрын
It's an old saying, "The clients that pay the least, usually end up being a pain in the ass."
@christinegivens90483 жыл бұрын
So true. And they micromanage the crap out of the process.
@zacharybohlman40693 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting out with consistent paid product videos and yes, I'm still at a very low price point and I can't stand some of my repeat customers and I'm too busy so I'm raising my rates and half hoping some of them go elsewhere.
@stone650373 жыл бұрын
@@christinegivens9048 you get what you get and don’t have a fit
@Thesamurai19993 жыл бұрын
As an artist that's so true! A client that wanted to pay me 5$ for a quick sketch ended up nitpicking over the tiniest of things and then going back and forth. While another client which I charged over thousand bucks didn't even havve any complaints.
@xilencered77883 жыл бұрын
All clients are a pain, its just exacerbated because they paid you less to deal with it 😂
@NathanAllotey4 жыл бұрын
Chris did something that many people miss, which is to LEAVE THE CLIENT WITH THE DECISION. You present options, and the client has to make a decision. Chris made it obvious that paying $4k is probably the best decision, but he didn't decide for him, the client has to arrive at a logical decision.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
give them options. let them decide vs saying no.
@elmerovero75284 жыл бұрын
you put the ball in his field dawg
@Zimboprenuer4 жыл бұрын
this is so true
@HaidarHavana19984 жыл бұрын
Lead the horse to the water
@ibengeuforo48484 жыл бұрын
Exactly, let the client come to you.
@riteshkukreti4 жыл бұрын
Role play is the best way of learning.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
😀
@SayLavi4 жыл бұрын
I agree Ritesh. I feel like a lot of sales managers shy away from role playing because it means getting their hands dirty, but it's hands down the best way to shake the dust from the day. My team starts with 10-15 minutes of role play every morning to build our momentum and get some good vibes out in the universe.
@Mightythunder09874 жыл бұрын
@Sylver LOL alright
@reprogrammingmind4 жыл бұрын
Upvotes from people that would rather have years of roleplay instead of years of experience.
@JustinCharnell4 жыл бұрын
@@reprogrammingmind facts. There's a place for roleplaying 100%, but you don't get to Chris's level of comfort with sales in this roleplay by roleplaying. If you want to do that with an actual prospect, you need experience.
@VictorRook Жыл бұрын
I had a new client ask me to update a PowerPoint presentation for him. I charged him $95. He came back multiple times for $95 a hit. Then he realized I can produce videos, design websites, and create graphic flyers, etc. That initial $95 that I accepted turned into over $5000 of work later on and a good rapport.
@HHH-tx9nc Жыл бұрын
is there anything better than foot-in-the-door strategy?
@GiJoe94 Жыл бұрын
Same, sometimes it's good to work at net loss but attract long term clients. Issue is sometimes you attract clients that use you. It's slippery slope going with that strategy straight up gamble
@gabriellahuerta32147 ай бұрын
Hey what do you do for work ? I have these same skills self taught but I don’t know how to use it in a career to make money I am lost in that department. So just curious what career path you are on so I can look into it myself.
@abdouall70916 ай бұрын
@@gabriellahuerta3214me too.
@NSTLgng2 ай бұрын
Oh, you “realized” that?
@bigafriqa3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. My last client not only underpaid me she gave me free meals and toxic treatment I didn’t need. I felt so used and abused. She’s a family friend and I learnt my lesson well never to do business with anyone who has preconceived opinions about me while I do my best for them. I go the extra mile and I expect respect in return. I don’t allow people to take advantage of me anymore and even friends must sign the contract from now on. This notion that certain races must take less money for high quality work is absolutely rubbish. I refuse to entertain such people because I have children.
@igordasunddas3377 Жыл бұрын
Doing business with any - even remote - family members is calling for headache.
@notleoso Жыл бұрын
Same. My Fiance is an Architectual Designer and she did a massive addition on the back of a family friends house. When she came to payment, she tried to pay my Fiance a 50% split between gift cards and cash. Never again would we work within family, my fiance saved her thousands of dollars but treated her horribly
@kevindao1103 Жыл бұрын
@@igordasunddas3377 I don’t even do my work of photography to family members. I consider that a “conflict of interest”.
@karmatraining Жыл бұрын
Oh god, never do business with family. It never ends well.
@y2ksw1 Жыл бұрын
I pay the service I get, no strings attached.
@ArtisDesjardins4 жыл бұрын
This video was well needed for people like me who are visual learners and need to see a simple scenario play out to get a better understanding
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@whoisimaniblack4 жыл бұрын
@@thefutur Can you guys PLEASE make more videos like this? I was on the verge of quitting but just watching this made me feel like I should hang in a little more and try these negotiation techniques.
@brendanj24034 жыл бұрын
@@whoisimaniblack hang in there man. Money is time, be patient and continue learning.
@BBD-AITB7 ай бұрын
This is literally not visual learning though. It’s purely auditory. That’s like saying that going to a college class and listening to the professor is a visual experience. Visual would be more like reading a guide.
@benarnoux4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just wow!! I cringed during this, because it showed me how much I fail in these scenarios. Learned a lot here. I’ll probably have this on repeat.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben
@MrWatchcollector4 жыл бұрын
same here!!!!! i do video and photography, and make organic skin care formulations...i have really short changed myself
@BuiltonBitcoin4 жыл бұрын
Seriously. This video is pure gold. Never heard of this channel before but I’m subscribed now.
@AntonioMeres4 жыл бұрын
Same happened to me when I watched it. Great content.
@dannywearsthecrown5674 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Arnoux it’s hard, especially when no one walks you through the process and you have to figure things out. I fail at these too, I think we just have to truly know what we are worth. It’s tough these ardent things taught to us in any formal capacity
@bloodaid4 жыл бұрын
Damn. He made me want to spend more than a 1000 dollars. And I don't even want a video.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
then it's working.
@LisaLee1234 жыл бұрын
LOL
@lynnly24064 жыл бұрын
Same
@RafaelCosta-oi3be4 жыл бұрын
And I don't even have a 1000 dollars
@rickygonzalez23563 жыл бұрын
Basically if your starting up your fucked. lol
@lukaszpiotrluczak3 жыл бұрын
I was doing business for 14 years. This year my colleague, my mentor told me the same you are teaching here. Now I work less, earn more and have much less stress. When I look back at how low I took for some jobs, I even went below 2$ per hour so some orders. What I mean to say is: if you want to do business, any kind of business, you need to start with basics, basices like ones from this video.
@workinghard70134 жыл бұрын
FINALLY, A SALES PITCH MAKE SENSE!! not a fake, arrogant, clueness, non-sensitive demonstration.
@IrvOfficial4 жыл бұрын
“I’m just trying to measure effort vs result.” 🔥
@philipphilip54724 жыл бұрын
xactly discpline is whr average guy fails/..
@Ladymusicc6 ай бұрын
I just saw your comment right at the moment he said that. Crazy.
@nicklong74424 жыл бұрын
These vibes are so chill, and I'm learning a ton.
@darindial89084 жыл бұрын
Daniel Valentine yea same, the moves in this vid were so smooth I was smiling
@JuanitaHarrisMissHarrisinParis4 жыл бұрын
“...or you could just pay me what I’m worth and you keep the profit.” Every artist needs to have this line in their back pocket.
@brayanartist6233 Жыл бұрын
yes
@aquaprofile Жыл бұрын
Which is why most modern art graduates struggle to find a job in their field right? Cause their value is so high?
@larrybud Жыл бұрын
@@aquaprofile No, because their demand is too low.
@g.v.m7935 Жыл бұрын
@@larrybudexactly.
@fc3srotory370 Жыл бұрын
Profit comes from under compensating for value added.
@JerryLee..3 жыл бұрын
"You are too expensive" "Not really. It sounds like you are shopping on price, not results?" KNOW your worth, NEVER back down, NEVER never let them see you sweat!
@Ridesltd3 жыл бұрын
Weeee, i love this
@MarketingHarry3 жыл бұрын
I really love these role play sessions! They're teaching us how to negotiate, how to think and how to find diplomatic solutions while we keep our strategy going. 💯
@jool5941 Жыл бұрын
Negotiation only works on lower priced items. I sell items worth a minimum of 40k. I tell you the price and if you don’t like it, too bad move on and go someplace else. The price is the price.
@Martinit0 Жыл бұрын
@@jool5941 I used to sell items worth $100k to above a million. Negotiation was practically always taking place, with few exceptions. It depends on the industry, the power balance and who you are talking to. If your customers don't have another option and you have the ability to say No that's very powerful.
@danielmartin78734 жыл бұрын
I used to think, "I hate selling!" Mostly because I didn't know how, but this video helped me to see that there's a method behind selling that can be learned. And once you learn the method, you can use it anywhere.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@BluFinanceTV4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing, it changed my perspective towards client's budget. People actually pay more for what they value most and will contribute to their public image but never willing to invest in what generate them income to sustain their public image.
@syradon4051 Жыл бұрын
Same with budget for IT in smaller companies here in my region. Firewall? Does it cost money? Bah no, it doesn't burn. Security? I have a lock on my door. Awareness traning? No sir, I pay for an antivirus. And so on. Everything has to work, but nobody wants to spend money for it 🤦♂️
@paulssnfuture2752 Жыл бұрын
@@syradon4051 and as an IT we all get blamed for it by the employees... Trash talked by outside onlookers when something gets wrong
@aightm8 Жыл бұрын
The video is clownish. Completely disregards competition. A fair price is what the market will pay, and what your competitors of similar quality will take.
@koomchan4 жыл бұрын
I love the quote from the lad that said, “If they are not meeting you at your price, you don’t have to meet them at their deliverable.“ I was recently caught out on this when I did some work for a local business and ended up spending much longer to create their content. When I broke down how much time I spent shooting, editing and then the revisions, it worked out that I earn’t about $8p/h for the job. I’m not saying this to get pity but to share a lesson that I learnt. When you’re staring off as a content creator, it can be hard but keep learning, keep growing and soaking in as much as you can from the gurus of media content like these guys. So good!
@Martinit0 Жыл бұрын
Another aspect is, when you start taking away from the deliverables you may notice that some people actually don't want that reduction and rather pay a higher price to get the full program. Others may actually not need the full thing and appreciate that you can do less for less.
@annemaxwell9975 Жыл бұрын
I have subscribed, signed upto the newsletter, and all because I watched the Ron Baker interview, and was as much impressed by the host questions as the guest answers (very rare), and then disappeared down the KZbin wormhole. This is when I thank God for the internet otherwise I would not have the opportunity to learn from so many bright young people.
@thefutur Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the Futur
@Adam-ui3ot3 жыл бұрын
I can’t express how genius this is.
@dowdyster14 жыл бұрын
Excellent! As someone who has made his living selling high ticket services the majority of his adult life, I can say this video is spot on real world. So much better than other sales videos with only mindset advice and zero practical advice. I also like the fact that there were no Lambos. jets or any other status signals. Just quality content that will make an impact on people's lives.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mike.
@MegaMikey4 жыл бұрын
I didnt expect love on my comment so I'll say why I said "wow. just wow." Your starting price was $4K. When the client deemed that unpayable, you drew up other alternatives that they did not find suitable and ultimately ended up settling for $4K. Unbelieveable. Best example of negotiating and business ever demonstrated. As a Freshman in graphic design, I'm learning from your videos A LOT and have been since Young Guns EP 10. Thank you to everyone at The Futur 😊👏🏽
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mikey
@laius60475 ай бұрын
He pretended to settle. That's the difference.
@_evolj4 жыл бұрын
Even as a small studio owner this video speaks volumes about how to conduct business relationships in nearly every creative industry.
@mediaflmcreation10 ай бұрын
Thank you, listening to this was that perfect ice pick that hammered right into the right spot and now my mind has changed from here on out... Ask for your valued worth the first time so people take you more serious the next. It's been my biggest problem. "Too nice" and "trying to help"... always hurts... not anymore thanks to this video.
@BenRangel4 жыл бұрын
His first argument was the best: ”Does this guarantee me any revenue?” Even if you have a big problem, and you could pay a lot to gain a lot - you risk paying a lot and not gaining anything. The reply ”I’ll do the video for free and take a cut” is the perfect response to that
@leahweinberger5832 жыл бұрын
Dislike the "take a cut" those that negotiate on price and price alone are not particularly fair on paying. Their justify paying you less because theie highest value is keeping the most money. I say my price and it's out there. Can't afford it? I 100%understand. Call me when you get the budget. I dont haggle. Ppl get the budget. Saves me the pain of the wheelerdealers AND the opportunity cost vecayse whilst I'm scrabbling after their crappy budget I lose the opportunity it to do work for a client t that has the budget and is willing to pay. Easier to stick with the easy pays.
@BenRangel2 жыл бұрын
@@leahweinberger583 Personally I agree. This advice is mostly for those just starting out who are struggling to get any customers at all - and are willing to gamble on a loss to gain something. However with an established business I would always play it safe and go with a set fee rather than gamble and risk getting nothing.
@leahweinberger5832 жыл бұрын
@@BenRangel Yeah, those openings can be brutal. I guess after a while you just realize that some customers are too expensive. It's a thing.
@TheTillmanSneakerReview Жыл бұрын
If a man driving a high-powered luxury sports car can't afford to pay $1k, run away. He's either cheap or broke. He paid for all those things that bring no value but wants to screw the people helping him earn money. Sinking ship
@edsensation4 жыл бұрын
Great topic but not realistic. CLIENTS NEVER GIVE OUT THEIR BUDGETS. They always say “ I’m not sure” because it’s part of their bargaining chip. They usually just want to get your price and decide from there. I wish to see a video where the caller is not part of a group but an actual tough client. Something more real. Just a thought.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Know any clients that would be willing to get on the phone with me?
@DEPARTE4 жыл бұрын
they actually did a video on that also... getting clients to give you their budgets.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
@@nreekayimmortal4386 are you a client? where are you based out of?
@nelsonchen71104 жыл бұрын
@@DEPARTE Did they do a video on getting clients to give you their budgets? Anyone can direct me to that video I cant seem to find it :(
@nreekayimmortal43864 жыл бұрын
@@thefutur we are based out of India. Love the content you put out Chris!
@souleimonadebayo21314 жыл бұрын
Sense Chris Do is waaaay ahead of his time in our timeline when it comes to the business side of design and design itself, I am so blessed with his teachings and the audience interactions with him.
@johnnydoe26724 жыл бұрын
Wow. Instant sub. This is invaluable to anyone who is truly passionate about their work. No one wants to be taken advantage of
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the Futur
@Reeferal Жыл бұрын
These videos are some of my favourite in the web. Especially having absolutely no marketing and negotiating background. You guys are incredible man. Really appreciate y’all sharing this.
@nirubansatchithanandakumar3266 Жыл бұрын
Chris is the only guy convincing creatives everywhere that you can use the same playbook used to sell performance marketing, to sell creative services.
@xenicmark4 жыл бұрын
This works perfectly well if you can meet the business owner. Sadly it's not always the case. I do like that Chris explains to the client that it's possible that the client does not really need to spend that money. Very insightful.
@viharsarok Жыл бұрын
Works only if you have the power to negotiate. Most freelancers are desperate for work. This is why these fictional conversations miss the point.
@stevedillonphoto4 жыл бұрын
So IMO, this free content is further proof of the value Chris and the Futur bring to the design industry. I've seen the recent response videos (random guy and the Beeple video, etc.) and when I see things like this being given out for free, then comments like 'Chris doesn't know what he's talking about / he's just trying to bilk money from young designers" sound as absurd as they are. Here's a super valuable objection / response to a situation we've ALL been in with a respectful and effective way to handle it and get yourself the job for more money than originally offered. All being offered for FREE like all of The Futur's YT videos. Thanks!
@ElroyBeezley4 жыл бұрын
Watching Chris navigate sheds light on something that I need to put serious effort into fixing... I get way too emotional during negotiations. That is a serious weakness.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Try to remain neutral and objective.
@Rakshay2233 жыл бұрын
I love how you kept it authentic and left the 'dont break mo' part in there instead of editing it out!
@mitchellb21453 жыл бұрын
Can't believe how time flies, looking back is helping me refocus my strategy. Nice work bros and ladies.
@tomforeign48994 жыл бұрын
Chris I can't even explain how you guys helped me to start doing what I enjoy. I used to charge for something only 200 dollars and now I'm charging clients 1600-2000 dollars for the same work only thanks to you and the futur. Thanks and also, these Role plays are the best! :)
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
congrats! don't forget to support us by becoming a sustaining member.
@elevatedstates4 жыл бұрын
Love the confidence behind this guys words. Big lessons here
@MarketsMatrix4 жыл бұрын
This is an absolutely great video, a lot of advanced techniques shown here. Chris does a really good job of doing the "push and pull" method while being passive-aggressive. I do think one of the most underrated things in this video is his tonality. Amazing use and control of the tonality to give the prospect a calm yet professional environment.
@TrekFuture6 ай бұрын
I've been with a rapidly growing marketing firm for the last 5 years and implementing the discussion points here are fundamental for real growth. There is a sweet spot once you have around 10 employees where efficiency over bulk growth/output starts to really become vital and that is when these conversations pay the most dividends. Thanks for the well made helpful content! Though the illegal chess move at 7:35 hurt my soul a little lol.
@899tamara4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching this role play! What Chris does so well is expose that when you eliminate the downside to the client by making it performance based (no production cost - only 50% of new customer revenue) what you reveal is the asymmetrical bets folks never want to take because they actually know your worth and are betting on the fact that you are either: 1) not aware of the value of your work; and/or 2) not able to clearly articulate that value. “I’ll pay you 1K, I know you are top notch, but only want value you at 1K” - is how the conversation goes round and round in circles. But once you try to honor the dual goals of respecting their “hard budget” along with valuing yourself and your product, and offer to rework the deal based on that, all of a sudden, they don’t want to pay you on the upside$, even though you are totally eliminating all the downside risk to the client. Not easy to do when you are new to the business, but an important lesson we all need to learn to be successful. Keep inspiring!!
@manchest1004 жыл бұрын
In my honest opinion, there should be a Netflix series about all this kinda stuff. There will be narrators and a huge ass film production team that just captures the conversations between Chris and his clients. It will be very very famous. Like totally calling it.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope you are right
@jaynotonyoutube1808 Жыл бұрын
I like the sound of this idea.
@theshonuff8956 Жыл бұрын
Communication is a lost art these days. Thanks for displaying this fine art of negotiation. Respect the HUSTLE!
@AlexisOGrekos4 жыл бұрын
The guys next to Chris are so relaxed, seems like they got an asmr session from the conversation.
@janetwatson7358Ай бұрын
This was AMAZING, I totally felt the love and generosity in which this video was made and experienced♥️
@optimumideas78505 ай бұрын
watching chris talk is so amzing, i've learnt a lot
@thefutur5 ай бұрын
Thank you
@wafiqessop40344 жыл бұрын
*The insights that Chris is giving are gold. Thank you!*
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear
@aidenstone4 жыл бұрын
Liking this newer roleplay with these pro members a lot more, it's alot more realistic than some past ones by the Futur. Maybe future video you show how one of the pro members generates 2-3 customers for a client with a video ?_? with a case study/ real life example? think that would be a sick followup
@jeffonspikes55674 жыл бұрын
Jenosyde easily a 100k view video
@nikonid04 жыл бұрын
I learned something, thank you guys. This conversation made me a little bit unconfortable at first, but I like how your confidence and a quick analyze of his business kept your speech consistent. Bravo
@CynicalWarlock Жыл бұрын
This guy is the real deal. And I don't say that lightly.
@thefutur Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@CynicalWarlock Жыл бұрын
@@thefutur AND he responds to comments!
@designerdye8055 Жыл бұрын
The Futur is "The Future."
@SlGMA Жыл бұрын
by the way this back and foward phrasing was taking from a different video .. unfortunatly i dont have the link ..
@Error-cs4mp4 жыл бұрын
I literally just “broke up” with a client yesterday because of a similar issue. I wish I saw this video days ago! Very informative and opened my eyes. Que sera, sera. Thank you for this.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Whatever will be will be
@KELLMANMARTINEZMENESES4 жыл бұрын
Lo que será, será.
@MortarMike4 жыл бұрын
This video is one of my top 5 videos on KZbin, simply because they dug into the topic and added music to the session lol. Allowed me to focus on the content better, and not have to turn on Spotify or Soundstripe to give the video life lol
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear
@dreamlounge59094 жыл бұрын
I totally understand this as a new freelancer...the artist sets the price and you just have to pay to play..if you want the best you pay for it
@jfuentesarch3 жыл бұрын
Because of this video, I've learned how to value myself and defend my price.
@NetGuyMsia Жыл бұрын
That was EXCELLENT. Calm, diplomatic, non-confrontational, gentlemanly confident. Subscribed.
@Trevorious20102 жыл бұрын
Just found this YT channel a couple days ago and there is a LOT of valuable knowledge and wisdom to learn from this. I know it's geared towards entrepreneurs but I'm a apprentice in the trades and I hate my job. I do have one cool talent I do for a side hustle as an entertainer; I'm a Street Magician with 20 years experience. I hope to apply these lessons to my own business and stop selling myself short.
@Chris-el4hd3 жыл бұрын
I love the community you build Chris! You're such an inspiration
@thefutur3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@vaniar.15834 жыл бұрын
I need a transcript of this video then I'll study it, make a mind map, a flowchart or something and memorize the key passages and the logic behind it. 🙌🏻
@mediaiweb4 жыл бұрын
stop, pause and transcribe it here or i can do it for u and u pay me, i bet Chris be like what? lol
@jameshuang26774 жыл бұрын
If I transcribe this for you how much revenue is that worth to you? I'll take a cut lel
@mediaiweb4 жыл бұрын
@@jameshuang2677 LOL
@NathanHarrison7 Жыл бұрын
That Asian dude was a master negotiator. And while this was a mock conversation, it was quite realistic and practical. Subscribed.
@thefutur Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Welcome to the Futur Nathan.
@siyabongampengu2451 Жыл бұрын
The background music and the tone of this conversation are perfectly aligned. 👌🏾
@kaizze87773 жыл бұрын
I had quite a few calls like this, this is roleplay, in REAL life, the client calls me back and goes back on the deal. Just make sure you guys have a SOLID followup system and don't leave the client to fill out a form on their own. Get your sales guy/gal to grab their details THERE AND THEN or I guarantee you 90% WILL go back on their deal and look for the 1K video somewhere else/ source: personal experience
@HHH-tx9nc Жыл бұрын
Could you elaborate that for us? You sound like a wise man trying to help.
@giannimura88704 жыл бұрын
My biggest issue is not valuing my own work enough to expect someone else to want it for such a high price. This was an amazing video to see though. Now all I need is more confidence in my abilities as a photographer...
@Truestar9534 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you did not bend to the pressure to do it for 1k. A very good video with very great information.
@khet20183 жыл бұрын
God, I have such a crush on Chris and his amazingly smooth way of negotiating. It's incredible to watch.
@vncszandduecevlogs7 ай бұрын
I usually dont comment on videos but this is THE BEST SALES VIDEO i have ever seen
@alicemesa58273 жыл бұрын
This is beyond amazing. I recently went through a break up and had an epiphany about the - never settle - know your worth - love that the word you used was "disproportionate" and seeing how this isn't only a romantic relationship idea - this is a universal - finances, friends, etc! LOVE THIS, I am now confident I am heading in the right direction in life in general, you just added fuel to the fire. Pure genius videos, and I never even comment on anything ever. LOL
@KORYAAL4 жыл бұрын
This is the best way of learning.
@rbdel4 жыл бұрын
"Is it important or isnt it?" Hmm well played
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Can’t have it both ways.
@TotalLoveformusic7 ай бұрын
I saw this clipped the other day and so glad I’ve found it. Thank you God. God is great. This is awesome. As I said, this needs to played in every school, college etc.
@daxramdac7194 Жыл бұрын
I am dumb when it comes to money and business so I don't know how I got here lol, but this was an interesting back and forth. What it basically looked like to me was that he was very convincing, almost finished it like a mathematical proof, that he is worth 4K per video/project, and by the end of it not only did the client see it that way but also felt like he was getting a deal! Talk about salesman skills, wow.
@DimiHard4 жыл бұрын
05:25 - That's why you have to be in it for the long run. If your goal is to get a lot of money within the next 6-12 months, then, of course, losing a $1,000 job hurt. There is no doubt about it! For a lot of people, it's a big amount of money! But are you in it for the long run(3-4-5+ years), then you don't care about losing this customer, because there will come a new one, one who will gladly pay you the $4K, you require in order to start the job. Build a solid body of work and have patience.
@heladioadame80254 жыл бұрын
The pro group back and forth is so sick I love it!
@nibapositive4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the way the video is edited. It is crazy how Chris can keeep the role, he help us vision the game and upgrade our dialogue to Pros!
@saladfork_ Жыл бұрын
All I can say, is thank you KZbin algorithm. I’ve never heard of Chris until tonight and my mind is blown. Subbed and starting my journey of change and learning. Thank you.
@Niqueman19893 жыл бұрын
This is something I'm currently struggling with in my 3D printing/3D modeling business, so thank you for the information. Everyone's solution is to take what you can get or lower my prices. It's refreshing to know I can learn how to navigate these conversations more confidently.
@leahweinberger5832 жыл бұрын
No never base your business on price alone. trust me it is a race to the bottom, if you don't charge enough and there is always someone more desperate than you willing to go lower.
@Niqueman19892 жыл бұрын
@@leahweinberger583 100% true and that was my struggle. I'm still learning, but this doesn't happen as often anymore.
@leahweinberger5832 жыл бұрын
@@Niqueman1989 you will always be learning. I never make the same mistake twice, that's true. I DO make an entirely new mistake though. Ah entrepreneurs learn each and every day. That's the fun and the ick of it. Best game ever!
@Sandwichking14 жыл бұрын
I love the piano in this so much
@THSimagery4 жыл бұрын
Wow! My heart dropped when he said a 50% sooooongood
@_tsiddi4 жыл бұрын
I swear! I was like whaaaaaaat?
@waeez17994 жыл бұрын
Roleplay was the best and the video editing is on another level. Love these short videos ❤️
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Ricky is on his game.
@creativepicnl3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Without going too deep on the technical, nitty gritty specifications to what the client expects from you to deliver as a creative, literally just narrow it down to what they expect to get from it based on your input and sync up the logics with a journey they would understand. Awesome.
@AbdulWahab-pk4jx3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video that I have ever seen on dealing pricing with clients.
@RobinMWaite Жыл бұрын
Such gold!! You’ve got to be prepared to walking away from a deal if it’s not a win-win.
@khaleelartis4 жыл бұрын
Chris is the goat... point blank
@SayLavi4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Fire advice! Sales is about being honest, direct, obviously deliver a good product, and then be confident in your abilities
@BLUSQUAD8124 жыл бұрын
This is great!! A huge improvement to my negotiations, although I have turned away jobs due to those low budget high expectations.
@247.mp4 Жыл бұрын
This video was great! In my experience, this only works if the client really wants to work with you and no other. If hes just collecting offers theres no chance arguing. You just need to let go.
@leopixelstudios Жыл бұрын
30 years in the business... style learning!! great video...
@GabyMusicpage4 жыл бұрын
this role play is Gold.. I've watched all the role plays Chris has done on the futur, but this one somehow resonates even more. I guess its the pro-group ;) Great Video
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
Pro members are tougher
@MattJacques4 жыл бұрын
These conversations are terrifying to me, and always feel like I'll either cave and meet their budget or scare them away by sticking to mine. So it's 💯 awesome to see you guys play out so many possibilities... I like the cut of net new customers idea, whether it's an actual fee structure you would aim for or not, it's a brilliant negotiation tool that helps the client understand the impact/value of the work they're asking for.
@Gonzalia4 жыл бұрын
What great timing, was just dreading having this conversation with a potential client!
@angrazero82966 ай бұрын
Never seen this channel nor these people. Never heard of it. First video and first impression, and I love every single bit of it so much that I'm upset I didn't come across this earlier. It feels authentic, real, relaxing, to the point, and not trying to appeal to the YT algorithm or appeal to self-help addicts. The fact that Jim Rohn is mentioned is such a cherry on top as he's my favorite speaker. I love this!
@bbjblessing-bedjabeng76103 ай бұрын
I Like the way the 2nd guy came in with that scenario. That's good
@nater514 жыл бұрын
Chris is crazy good at thinking on his feet. For me though, when I find an initial call going this way, I usually end it quick. From my past experiences anytime I have to try too hard to help a client understand the value, it almost never ends well. Either a lot of time wasted trying to help the client understand value, or way to much hand holding during the development process. Sometimes it's good to check out a client's experience the same way they try to check out yours.
@thefutur4 жыл бұрын
True
@SayLavi4 жыл бұрын
Nater51 I agree with you 100%. I feel like so many sales people try and come up with quick, witty responses. When we do our homework on the client we always get a better result! Well said!
@iunderstanphotography27804 жыл бұрын
I need to get involved in more convos in 2020. I want to be as knowledgeable and assured as the guy on the right. This also comes from knowing your time, worth and not "needing" the job. I was surprised Chris didn'yt offer to scale down the 4k job into a 1K, of course with much much less work
@Rafahelllll2 жыл бұрын
This video is soo good and soo educational after seeing it a few years back i had to look it up aggain just now to "freshen up" my sales techniques. BIG THANKS!
@thefutur2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@stefangibacaivastani Жыл бұрын
I am learning sales form this man 101. Thanks soooo much.
@suryakantapradhan69352 ай бұрын
This is very informative and I really love that you teach on KZbin. It help me as a freelancer how to negotiate with client, so grateful I am. thank you sir