When NHL Players Refuse To Play For Their Teams...

[@idontgivetkachuk]

The reason why this took so long was because I didn’t wanna immediately rush into the Gauthier situation without knowing the full details! Hadda re work the script as well… Hope you enjoyed!

[@Aplestamatos2]

They didn’t want to use him and he felt he was ready to play in NHL.. can’t really blame him when you look at how he played in WJC it’s kind of their fault

[@pontusbackman1863]

​@@Aplestamatos2No, it's not. NHL-teams know way better than put WJC-performances in too high value. Did Jesse Puljujarvis dominating performance as underaged, scoring 17 points, make him NHL-ready? No. To me this gives a feeling of a kid that really isn't NHL-ready no matter what HE thinks, wanting a move before even a debut

[@thecoyotesfan3639]

At the beginning of the 2022-23 season, Patrick Laine scored 600 goals in the first 5 games of the season, however bettman deleted the footage in order to stop the GOAT Laine, after this Laine asked the Blue Jackets to help reveal this scandal, however they rufused, because of this Laine refused to play for the Blue Jackets, however Bettman made him too or else he would ban him from hockey for the rest of his life

[@idontgivetkachuk]

The league is too scared of Laine 🥶

[@jonah.donohue]

Source? Trust me bro

[@jimb.7523]

@@jonah.donohue Yeah. The original comment is erroneous. It's actually 800.

[@HeatherRadcliffe-pb1vj]

Cringeq i bet you're just the life of the party in social settings. ​@@jimb.7523

[@petermills-c1h]

This is not a theory but proven fact. The Leafs did the same thing with Inge Hammarstrom years ago, but he only got 480 goals in his first 8 games. They chased him out of the league too, but that was Clarence Campbell and John Ziegler.

[@corymac1140]

I didnt know that about Adam Fox, but not surprised at all , nobody wants to play in Calgary for some reason, its a beautiful city but ive been hearing alot about taxes here in Canada keeping talent out.

[@estellegrignon]

Brian Berard is another example that comes to mind. He felt he was ready to play in the NHL, especially since he was drafted by the Ottawa Senators who had a horrible blue line. But Ottawa thought different and sent him back in juniors. Eventually, Berard asked for a trade and went to the New York Islanders, where he'd win the Calder trophy. Sadly, the rest of his career never quite panned out mostly because of a freak injury where Marian Hossa, ironically of the Senators, would scratch his eye with his stick on the follow-through of a shot.

[@idontgivetkachuk]

I remember that injury! Berard still managed to be solid throughout his career which was a W. This is a very good entry!

[@36inc]

thats the kinda story that myths are built around.

[@TheSkeletor612]

The irony that he’d suffer a brutal injury against the Senators….

[@chrispswann6825]

Not necessarily. Berard never wanted to play in Ottawa to begin with. He refused to sign a contract and while he showed up to training camp for one day, he quickly left. After that his agent made it clear that Berard had no intention of ever playing for Ottawa

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[@saydaddy91]

To be fair to lindros the nordiques were owned by Marcel Aubut a man who wasn’t famous for his political correctness. And if the rumors are correct he said some VIAL stuff about lindros’s mother before the draft within earshot of her not knowing she spoke French. And post his playing career and even throughout it he’s been very complementary about Quebec (his wife is a Quebecer and he owns land there)

[@idontgivetkachuk]

Yup. He didn’t wanna play for the owner and mentioned it in a Sportsnet interview if I remember correctly. Thanks for watching!

[@saydaddy91]

@@idontgivetkachuk that’s not even mentioning his actions as the head of Canadian Olympics

[@malakaspawt3190]

Marcel Aubut is a die hard separatist. He wants to separate the province of Quebec from Canada and make it its own country. Notice that I wrote that in the present tense because he is alive and he has not changed. I don't know if Lindros' mother heard him say something foul about her in French or if she heard him talk ill or say a slur about anglophones, but it is true that Eric refused to play for Quebec because of Marcel Aubut the man and nothing else. The first time that the Nordiques management met with the Lindros family, they told them that they would pick Eric. I don't know if it is in that conversation that Eric's mother heard Aubut say something in French or if it was before that, but regardless.. they told the Nordiques that Eric wasn't going to play for them. That was obviously before he got drafted and it was in a room with a bunch of people. I seriously doubt that they wanted any drama at all, or they would have told everyone in that room why exactly Eric wasn't going to play for Quebec. I don't think Aubut knew exactly why Eric wasn't going to play for the Nordiques for a while, but maybe he did. Either way, it was the smart move to pick him because of his potential and value. I think Aubut really believed that the Lindros clan was cherry picking, so he decided to enter negotiations with them until they came out and told him in person when nobody else was there but Aubut that Eric wasn't going to play for Aubut's team no matter what. That's when it struck a nerve on Aubut's neck. So a year after he was drafted, Eric was traded and you would think that this was the end of it, but it wasn't. Marcel had powerful politician friends who in turn had connections with highly influential media. With the help of sports media, they propagated lies about Eric for years and turned francophones against him by causing this divide between francophones and anglophones. They spread lies that Eric was moma's baby, that they didn't want him to play for Quebec because it was a bad team at the bottom of the standings, that it was a bad market, that he was going to be such a good player that he deserved the privilege to play for the team of his choice, that he was childish, and that he didn't like French speaking people. They made francophones believe that Eric was an anti-francophone for the sole purpose of getting these people to vote YES in the referendum to separate the province of Quebec from Canada that they were already planning which came to be in 1995. In 1995, if you asked 9 years old francophone hockey fans who were their favorite team and who was their most hated player, the answer would have been 99% of the time, the Quebec Nordiques and Eric Lindros. In 1994-1995, my coach asked my team who was their favorite team and player. So you've got 16 kids who were asked the same questions. Whoever answered first, then the rest followed, and while the majority (11 kids out of 16) all of whom were primarily francophones acknowledged the Quebec Nordiques as their favorite team and Sakic or Forsberg as their favorite players (to be fair the Nordiques were strong at that time as they were something like 16-0), 3 kids threw in there the Montreal Canadiens and Patrick Roy and Mario Lemieux as their favorite player. The 2 others kids who oddly spoke English better than the rest of the team hadn't answered or acknowledge anything yet until they got the attention of the group when they were finally asked by the coach. I told them Pittsburgh was my favorite team, and my favorite player was Jagr, then a friend of mine who played defense shyly responded the Boston Bruins, Ray Bourque as his favorite defenseman and Eric Lindros his favorite forward. That's when all the team acknowledge that they liked Ray Bourque but they hated Eric Lindros the most because he didn't like Quebecois people. The coach likely diffused the situation with more questions because I remember the next question was who did we think would win the Stanley Cup. ANYWAY It marked me because at the time I also used to hate Lindros but for different reasons but it was not really hate, it was more like fear. I considered Lindros as Jagr's rival and a threat to what I wanted Jagr to be/become; the best player in the world, and since I had another friend who's favorite player and team was Lindros and the Flyers, it was natural for me to see a competition there. Oddly enough, they ended with the same amount of the points that season, so it's like it was fate, one of them was to become the best player in the world some day, and I happy that it came to be Jagr later in the late 90s and early 2000s. He won his first Art Ross in 1994-95. I was rejoiced to learn the good news because in my little mind I thought he lost when I looked in the newspaper the stats because he had the same amount of points and I thought the amounts of GP would be the next factor, but it was the amount of goals. It was probably the "best" day of my life when I learned that but today I can admit that I am glad Jagr won but I think Lindros was robbed because of a bad rule. Since they added the Maurice Richard trophy around 1999, I sure hope they changed the rules for the Art Ross and award it to the player with the least games played when two players are tied with the same amount of points. In case of another tie, then yeah sure, the goals can be the 2nd tie breaker. I started to fear the Nordiques and see them as rivals to the Pens because they were scary so I rooted for the '94 SC champs the Rangers in the playoffs of 1995. I was happy NYR beat QUE in 6 back then, but now I regret that it happened because it was the last time the Nordiques were in Quebec. Believe it or not, if Marcel Aubut really loved the Nordiques, they would have been a priority and he would have resisted offers and waited a few seasons to see what happens now that the Nordiques are good, but he decided to move the team in May of 1995 simply to give his higher priority (the Quebec separation from Canada) more chances of success. The referendum was held in Oct of 1995. It is what it is but for some people it will always be political and sometimes it hurts hockey. When I learned that Lindros was married to a Quebecoise and that it had nothing to do with everything they said about him, he earned my respect even more. I don't know anyone who would have been capable of staying away from feeding gasoline to the flame of drama like he did. I understand though that there's not many options to go with it when you're "enemies" are rich and powerful. The dude just want to play in the NHL and just doesn't want to play for that asshole Aubut, he doesn't mean any ill but it is his personal choice and it's not because he thinks he's above everyone like Aubut said, it's because he does not respect Aubut and will not play for a man like him but he doesn't want to cause more drama than it already is so he's not doing anything about it because even if he did, what is the Lindros going to do in court vs Aubut and his powerful friends? Nothing! I didn't like the Flyers but then again there was no team I really liked except the Pens, and Detroit in the Western Conference. Naturally, I rooted for DET over COL and I even preferred the DAL Stars over COL in the West. In 1996, I was pissed that FLA beat PIT but I was rooting for FLA over COL. In 1997 and 1998 I rooted DET over PHI and WAS. I kind of liked WAS because of Bondra, Gonchar and Jim Carrey but I still rooted for DET because Fedorov and Yzerman at the time were both in my top 10 favorite players. Jagr, Kariya, Forsberg, Mogilny, Fedorov, Yzerman, Lemieux, Selanne, Bure, Sakic, Lindros.

[@TimberWolf99]

Hockey players, especially kids, having more control over their lives and careers is good. I say this as a Flames fan who will boo Adam Fox.

[@shinykari8799]

Yep. I think it's better for the league overall, the players, and the teams involved for players to have more say in where they play. If your organization is such a shitshow that players would rather play 4 years of NCAA or take you to court rather than play for you, maybe the problem isn't the player.

[@Conrailfan2323]

It's a double edged sword lol. It also shows a lot of immaturity and entitlement some players have. Cough cough Gauthier.

[@unstepintime]

@@shinykari8799 It would just make these college players to go to the better teams. Thus the bad teams staying bad. Not a good idea.

[@MasterBraydon]

LETS GO FINALLY THE KING OF HOCKEY CONTENT HAS RETURNED 🔥🔥

[@idontgivetkachuk]

[@nhlhockeynewsreports5360]

Eyy it’s been awhile for me commenting keep up the good work!

[@idontgivetkachuk]

Thanks buddy! Good to see you again!

[@timothyflanigan1777]

Back in the 90’s, Kevyn Adams refused to sign with Boston. he was a first round draft pick of the team.

[@chrispswann6825]

Let's not forget Alexei Yashin who held out three times while he was under contract as a Senator

[@bradydaw2647]

"Over ager" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Cmon dude.

[@danshobbies13]

Mike Van Ryn won ZERO Stanley Cups. Kinda funny, he could have played in NJ and possibly win 2 Championships with them.

[@Aplestamatos2]

Can’t say he’s misinterpreting that decision because it does say he’s not ready to make an impact at the NHL.. if they truly believed in him then the cap wouldn’t be an issue

[@trisgilmour]

Ooo a spicy topic 😊

[@idontgivetkachuk]

Yessir! Had a fun time finding out about this story! Hope you enjoyed!

[@lostvlog6857]

That guy at 1:14 on the right, forgot his name, remember him from the 80's, he's so old now.

[@Feurmc_]

That’s al morganti

[@lostvlog6857]

@@Feurmc_ remember him from almost 4 decades ago, glad he's still around.

[@silentnyrf3161]

There was some suspicious stuff about Zach Wilson at a certain point

[@PunkerWithABoner]

Adam Fox obviously comes to mind as well, dude played hockey on one team but technically was a part of three.

[@idontgivetkachuk]

As a Flames fan it’ll always sting

[@36inc]

@@idontgivetkachuk flames fan, that was your mistake you gotta have known what ya got yourself into with them.

[@BabyBoeingGaming]

Don’t want him anymore. Canes fan.

[@TC-dw6wg]

Let’s Go Rangers!

[@lostvlog6857]

I can remember, before Lindros was dealt to Philly, he was actually traded to Chicago on draft day. Turning on the TV and that's what they were reporting before the draft started. Turns out, the Hawks owner, old man Wirtz, pulled the plug on the deal at the last second. He's the same a--hole that blacked out all home TV games for 3 decades! For a few years they didn't televise road games either, one year they didn't even have radio until a tiny FM station picked them up after a few weeks. Yeah it was that bad back then...

[@Elementsoftheory29]

Broke the internet ???? Are you serious. ?? Broke it how ??? For what ???? Kid isn't even in the show and his coach didn't even know who he even was ...... what broke the internet ???? Where and when and how did it break ???? Seriously ??? A kid who hasn't made it yet , this broke the internet . I fuckin love it

[@CasuallyCommentingBaseThings]

Welcome to KZbin

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

Lindros was the first one I thought of.

[@DonHorvathIII]

Scott Hartnell saying “he’s thinking he’s something else to call where he can be playing” well he did technically “call where he can be playing” because he's still going to get a chance to play in the NHL and he won’t be playing for the Flyers. Hartnell also referred to him as a “punk” on Spittin Chiclets which seems weird considering he doesn’t seem to know the kid personally. Maybe he’ll be the biggest a-hole to ever play in the league or maybe something changed within that organization to make him say he doesn’t want to be a Flyer

[@36inc]

or maybe carter hart just got arrested so you know the ick ontop of feeling jipped by their bad cap position.

[@LargeBasstafarian]

Just looking at Hartnells hairdo, tells me he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[@benrockwell1503]

Canes have had this happen to them 3 times: Jack Johnson, Freddie Anderson, and Adam Fox.

[@idontgivetkachuk]

As a Flames fan, I also share a mutual distaste for Fox XD

[@JRL1985]

Different situation with Johnson, he told Rutherford he wanted to do at most 2-3 years at Michigan, Rutherford keep calling him and his agent after his 1st year there pestering him to leave school early. He was eventually traded since he requested to be traded feeling disrespected and pressured to leave school early ruining his education and development.

[@ronryan7398]

I. Guess that the whole NHL draft system being illegal in both the U.S. and Canada doesn’t enter into this at all.

[@36inc]

its not a real draft cause you cant get into legal trouble for refusing to play- so the old boys club tries to use shame and prestige as a motivator. its a desperate attempt to use the cities belligerent populace to make him a villian- which is ironic since they were on the recieving end of one of these before- i had that 12 inch lindros toy. him an teemu.

[@juna61]

Given a chance in NHL to earn millions. I'd say it is very bold(sometimes stupid) move to start to dangle with the franchise when you haven't even started your career yet. Each to their own. Business is ruthless from both player and franchise perspectives. All that matters in end of the day is that franchises and NHL has money coming in and they have a player that is the face of it all.

[@OtterPlaysYT]

It’s crazy how people think people can’t change their mind lmao

[@Mustang_Dan]

Don’t forget Jonathan Drouin.

[@kuros2349]

The reputation damage to the organization is much worse than the player, and lasts decades. Absurd to lose talent in such a dumb way

[@oWILLLo]

fuck philly i wouldn't want to play there either lmao

[@CasuallyCommentingBaseThings]

Yes! One of the worst places to live already. Worst bunch of humans too

[@MrJayehawk]

Mike Van Ryn didn't want to play for the Devils because they were "too strict". He went on to have a mediocre career including a total of nine playoff games. The Devils celebrated two Stanley Cup wins while he bounced between the Blues and the minors. It takes discipline and "strictness" to win championships. Someone should have told him that.

[@peterpants2423]

No kirk muller and the Islanders ?

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

The maturity comment by the flyers lmao. The irony

[@Conrailfan2323]

Lol potential franchise player refuses to play for your franchise and won't give a reason why or meet with the team itself for months and people expect the Flyers to not be pissed off? Flyers handled it well. SanFillipo created the shitstorm blaming it on Hayes and mouthbreathers ran with it. Flyers had every right to rip Gauthier tho. They waited until after the deal was done and kept it under wraps for months.

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

​@@Conrailfan2323you can be pissed off all you want but grown men trying to clown a kid...aww there wittle feelings get hurt 😂 thought flyers were meant to be tough.

[@Conrailfan2323]

@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Last time I checked he's an adult not a child and actions have consequences. I can see you didn't read my comment either. Just another mouthbreather. Lmao

[@Conrailfan2323]

What he did isn't good for the game and the only people who are supporting it (like you) are only doing so because it happened to Philly. I wonder what your reaction would be if it happened to your team haha

[@insertgenericusernamehere2402]

@@Conrailfan2323 🤣 I read your comment fine. I just find it fantastic how riled up you are over something so menial.

[@36inc]

van ryn basically fucked his aspirations unlike lindros who basically garunteed his legend. i dont think college kids having that power is undue- its a necessary buffer for any manipulative scouters. we keep hearing about abusive coaches and staff and even players- i say let em choose to refuse. they risk alot still because its money and trust that other teams will likely pay attention too. honestly the draft system has always been more of a suggestion- cause people who like where they play tend to play there longer.

[@Conrailfan2323]

Dont care what anyone says. What Gauthier did is absolutely childish. You forgot to mention the part where the flyers sent multiple people over to meet with him and he completely ignored them and never showed face to explain his situation. That went on for months, Flyers couldn't get a hold of Gauthier. Absolute entitlement and you can't convince me otherwise. Most of those who support what he did are just supporting it because they hate the Flyers and won't put their bias aside. Guarantee you if it happened to their favorite teams they'd be pissed off too and the teams would be pissed off too and rightfully so.

[@CasuallyCommentingBaseThings]

It has and you’re def 13

[@omerta316]

I share a birthday with Van Ryn 😁

[@jameselko7232]

I wouldn't be surprised he won't do well in the NHL.

[@imulippo5245]

Lou "Stubble" Hairyello

[@Jordaoluke]

8:24 no

[@doomslayerdave]

You don't have this problem in the NBA or NFL. Honestly there should be some kind of determination before being in the draft about NCAA aspirations or a change in bargaining and how contracts and free agency with college players works.

[@doomslayerdave]

Should have traded for a goaltender...

[@geoffkemp7]

I wouldnt want to play in Philly either.

[@Barkebain]

It's terrible that you compare the Gauthier situation to past players that didn't want to play for certain teams. Gauthier said he was built to be a Flyer, and I believe he meant it. Then the front office started playing games to limit his compensation. Imagine your contract was full of incentive clauses, and the first move your team makes is 100% to limit how much they are required to pay you - are you ever going to be able to trust that front office again? I know I wouldn't, and I'd assume they would send me down if I got close to any of the incentive clauses. I think Gauthier made a reasonable decision to get away from the Flyers scumbag front office in order to avoid being nickle and dimed out of compensation in the future - nothing like the other cases you bring up.

[@randoir1863]

So, by all measurements, Eric Lindros, making his decision not to play for the team that drafted him, is a giant POS . IF there's a reason why you don't sign him and give him the bonus , why don't you communicate that to the player. If that's the case at all .

[@shinykari8799]

Pretty sure the thinking was that this is just a sign that Philly is going to continue to cheap out and try to underpay him for the rest of his career. Even if they'd communicated the situation well, it still shows they're either bad with managing their cap space or they're cheapskates (or, more likely, both).

[@GoodMenstruationAttitude]

Mike Van Ryn had a successful career? Lol 353 GP, 9 tyotal playoff games in 8 seasons: 0G, 0A, 0P, -2. he was a loser lol

[@idontgivetkachuk]

353 games more than either of us

[@Druha50144]

Dude had 2 average seasons total , up and down to the AHL and injured, def not a successful career for a 1st rounder