Which Defence Assets Can Stop An Iranian Shahed 136 Drone Swarm? (WARNING: Hugely Explosive) | DCS

[@mattseller148]

The video of the Pantsir showed it failling to shoot down Storm Shadow, that could be an interesting video 2-3 Pantsirs vs a Storm Shadow attack.

[@MTBScotland]

The weapons systems in the sim are way to good compared to real life. They have done storm shadow before IIRC

[@marshalljulie3676]

Looks like Russia jammed about 4 storm shadow without detonating the warhead it was in the News today 🤔

[@jukebox_heroperson3994]

There is a picture of a shot down storm shadow now. Idk what shot it down though.

[@MTBScotland]

@@jukebox_heroperson3994 didn't look shot down. warhead intact and no shrapnel on body. either a malfunction or it couldn't find its target and went to a safe place.

[@gaiofattos2]

@@jukebox_heroperson3994 When they cannot find a target they land or EW warfare shot it down.

[@TheWeirdLateNightPodcast]

I hope this channel never dies out, this is my favourite channel to watch after a stressful day

[@Bender_94]

Agreed; break up the day with a Grim Reapers lunch break.

[@darthgamer2014]

Sadly Grim Reaper has already said that channels eventual death is inevitable due to YT's increased censorship. He's made accounts on alternatives like Rumble where he uploads the same content.

[@willwozniak2826]

Damn straight!...this channel is the only thing keeping me going!...🤪🤪

[@exidy-yt]

@@darthgamer2014 it's highly unlikely that GR or anyone is going to abandon the source of the vast VAST majority of thier viewers and also of potential new viewers, even if it's no longer their primary focus (which I am also skeptical of.) YT's policies are frustrating and counter-productive, but they are nearly the only game in town, and larger by quantum leaps.

[@Headhunter_212]

Preach. GUaranteed relief via hilarious explosions.

[@rojalD]

The mantis system from Germany would be interesting as well, as it's supposed to be a point defense weapon system, to defend against missiles and drones. It's much more modern than the r2d2 with a hard on and lots cheaper than a missile battery. Essentially it's designed for this job.

[@SomuaSomua]

It’s the one with the shells that turn into shrapnel right?

[@rojalD]

@@SomuaSomua yeah, it shoots rounds that are programmed to explode somewhere before the target and release tungsten balls (I think).

[@unlink1649]

I'm so disappointed he didn't even add it. There is no way he didn't hear of it. The one system with programmable high explosive proxy fused ammunition, designed to shoot down mortars and small drones in saturation attacks like this.It's the type of system he would have played at the end of the video to show how every type of technology is just an engineering problem with a cost effective solution out there.

[@QuantumShenna]

Yep, the Rheinmetall Mantis firing AHEAD ammunition is made exactly for this kind of thing.

[@khnelli4918]

Ya Rheinmetall getting those Defence dimmadollars

[@SGUSOMUSA]

It’s crazy such a cheap weapon can completely change battlefield tactics. I would like to see someone model the laser defenses, if there is enough publicly available information to model them.

[@libertyprime2921]

And electronic warfare systems like the SEWIP.

[@jamison884]

Yup. I've sent Cap all the public details on laser weapons which are deployed and protecting overseas US bases right now. Raytheon did an interview plus training footage that provides pretty much all of the knowledge needed to simulate the in DCS. Unfortunately, I believe CH is trying to think of a workaround per the DCS code/mod-making capabilities, as they don't have any integrated support allowing for laser weapons. Perhaps it would be like attempting to modify a new caliber of projectile minition within DCS, something like increasing the fire velocity to the speed of light, either a super-modified tracer for the fun factor of watching the laser beam in DCS or if needed, just going true to life with the invisible lasser/no tracer if that's the only way to do it. Then you have to figure out a firing speed of this lightspeed round to properly account for x damage per second to the item being hit. If it's a small drone for example, perhaps 2 to 4 seconds of this emulated laser fire must equal the hitpoints to kill that drone. All of those assumptions are based on pure guesswork as to how DCS mods work and it's likely way more complex and/or restrictive, and therefore may not be possible to mod given current DCS.

[@Admiral-General_Aladeen]

Well yes and no what is overestimated here is the number of drones per attack Russia got like 1750 of them they usually attack with like 6 because otherwise you could just make like 20 attacks before you run out

[@aymonfoxc1442]

The latest directed energy weapons are game changers but so are drone swarms and / or stealth.

[@мухитниязбаев-д1ъ]

if every country will get c-rams and patroling GNS jamming Drones, then massive attack witch cheap simple weapon will be again in past

[@henricomonterosa4534]

Hey Cap, I think WW2 ships with Flak would be really interesting if the Shrapnel is modelled. BR

[@MarkoDash]

that's what i was thinking, for swarms this dense with such slow, fragile targets some good old fashioned AAA. some german 88s or USN 127s.

[@justinpowell1139]

Flak is the simple and economical answer to this problem for sure.

[@grimreapers]

Actually that's a great idea

[@MatsGarage]

@@grimreapers 40 mm bofors guns would probably be enough but they would need to be layered from the beach and past the target buildings

[@NightmareKato]

​@@MatsGarage@grimreapers Sweden has been sending 40mm Bofors emplacements to Ukraine to provide air defense coverage. It's something worth modeling in DCS to see if it has an appreciable impact on the Shahed swarms.

[@crashatau]

That drone strike is terrifying even in a virtual world 😮😮

[@jakeslouw3416]

I love the fact that the AI seagull just kept on flying around in the middle of a SAM launch site 😆

[@matthewcox7985]

Seagull is on a bombing mission... 💩

[@PaulGuy]

Really living up to the "birds aren't real" conspiracy.

[@alexivlyev9876]

One of the nastiest attacks by them were for new year night here in Kyiv. Rockets during day and then shahed all night. 45 shaheds were taken down.

[@texas8322]

I hope Cap does more with these drone videos. Like maybe mountainous terrain next with a realistic amount of drones launched. This was very educational in an interesting concept mission.

[@raptorblarg2284]

Cap, you missed using iron dome which was designed to take out unguided rockets and artillery shells. I would think that system should be able to handle a swarm. A typical battery has 3-4 launchers with 20 missiles each. So having 2 batteries would be able to do it or one battery with a couple extra launchers.

[@thedude4810]

Just bring back the "punt gun"! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun

[@raph151515]

it's the only production system that have actual proven experience taking down huge swarms, but I doubt dcs has a realistic model

[@lidor276]

@@raph151515 it does, made by IDF mods project

[@grimreapers]

Wow the recoil on that thing must be shoulders...

[@edvin_hook]

@@grimreapers in fact it was so good that it almost had the europen bird population extinct.

[@emfournet]

Cap, I think a really interesting challenge would be to give your beautiful boys and girls and Kortana a set budget and try and devise an IADS, put them all in the same map and see who's can resist increasingly powerful airstrikes. Obviously Kortana will win, but it could be fun to see what layers they come up with.

[@wolfmaster0579]

Patriot batteries can be even bigger, however, they are rarely used like that. The only time they are is when each launcher/set of launchers are dispersed miles or dozens of miles away from each other over an entire battlespace rather a smaller portion.

[@volvo245]

Would not surprise me if there is already in development or testing a shahed variant that can switch to a SEAD mode when targeted or relay that role to another drone in the swarm or even communicate the approximate position of the AA back home.

[@_tiredofidiocy_]

it's definitely easier to destroy the factory that produces these shaheds than such a swarm

[@TimvanderVelden-dp3fs]

How about Iron Dome? I think it might do fairly well, given that it was designed to counter swarm tactics.

[@subjectc7505]

I think it'll be effective, with a few getting through

[@ezey2746]

Yh but that's if they were only sending drones .. if they had missiles coming from behind them at the same time it's gonna be even more difficult

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

Not only was it designed to deal with swarm tactics, but the Shahed-136 are actually bootleg copies of the Israeli Harop swarm drones that have been in use since 1989. Thus, the IDF is uniquely situated to deal with the Shahed--is just their Harop with half the max speed, a slightly higher yield, and significantly worse controls/electronics.

[@TimvanderVelden-dp3fs]

@@theprogressivecynic2407 interesting.

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

@@TimvanderVelden-dp3fs Yeah, it's brutally ironic that the Russian have had so much success using the Shaheds against the Ukrainian S-300 air defenses because they are based on drones that were designed to defeat S-300 and S-400 systems in Iran and Syria.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

Ok, IT programmer guy talk here. One of the problems of AA guns vs swarm of drones is that these AA defenses do not have any good algorithms for maximaxing damage against swarms. They always just target one drone, fire, wait until dead and THEN target the next. There are two big improvements possible that I believe are definitelly going to end in more modern AA guns. 1) Fire a volley on first drone and DO NOT wait until destroyed and immediatelly go fire a volley on second drone. 2) You can actually find in the swarm pattern structures where a volley of bullets have a chance of hitting more than a single drone and prioritize that one. Techniquest like these can significantly increase defense against drone swarms and tehy are purelly on software upgrade to the systems. But you will NEVER get that in something like DCS because these algorithms are significantly more resource hungry and I do not think you would like minus 10 FPS just so that some AA can simulate a bit less brainless targeting algorithm in a game.

[@jorehir]

I wish CH would model the DART ammunition. Perfect for anti-swarm, or point defense in general. It's a 76mm naval gun round, guided, with >8km effective range.

I really feel like a lot of these gun systems could've destroyed the swarm with a simple software update. Instead of the single target focused mode where they stop to verify that their target is destroyed, a lot of these systems could be programmed to take a few shots at every swarm target in the sky before looping back to the first target within the swarm. I wonder if a lot of these gun system operators will be taught to recognize swarms in the future and to switch their engaging modes to some hypothetical anti-swarm mode that focuses on distributed effect instead of a concentrated one.

[@awilson2385]

M61A1 Vulcan with the air pattern barrel set. It's a bullet hose with the nozzle set to "spray". Problem solved. It was designed to close the Fulda Gap to air traffic.

[@whousley]

I seem to remember from other sims that you've run that a hundred of anything, missiles or drones, are the threshold for air defense systems. Multiple units can multiply fire, but they also run into deconflict problems.

[@grantgates2931]

Enjoyed the vid, but I do have a question. In each scenario you showed a single system, (apart from the ships) but there wasnt a scenario where a layered defence took them on - something that would be more appropriate to a real life scenario. Be interesting to see a mix of different types of systems in more realistic numbers try to defeat the swarm

[@GatorAaron]

I thought the same. And having CIWS behind or at the target so it's always looking forward.

[@Raifboi]

For the cruiser Aegis is used for detection and the illuminators (4 satellite dishes on top) are for guidance to target. Not sure on classification (couldn't find anything with the correct number) so well just say that illuminators dictate the number of missiles that can be in flight at time. Crazy how accurate this was though. I was looking for the directors to be pointing at targets and amazingly they were.

[@Leon1Aust]

The ship can ripple launch and move the directors from destroyed missile to next target whilst the other missiles are in flight. The Australian CEA’s CEAMOUNT phased array illuminator can significantly enhance this even more and can direct 4 targets electronically per panel. With 4 fixed panels covering 360 degrees on each ship that's a lot of missiles/aircraft that can be targeted and rippling targeting works as well, thus well over 16 targets at once. This little frigate and the future Hunter (RAN Type 26) class can lock on to 4 times more targets than an Arleigh Burke Destroyer. Remember tracking and targeting are two different things.

[@Raifboi]

@@Leon1Aust Agreed an aegis cruiser can track a couple hundred targets at a time with SPY however for terminal guidance the illuminator is needed. If the illuminator track is lost (during terminal homing) after a specified amount of time the missile will self destruct as intended for safety reasons. But yes depending on target distance and time of flight multiple sm2 / sm6s can be fired with illuminators only needed on terminal phase. And of course as they add new iterations they add active seekers but that falls well outside of my wheelhouse.

[@miauwgabriel3547]

Pretty much a 100000+ dollar impressive expression!

[@exoterric]

I love how the American cruiser instantly made a MacDonalds M. So perfect

[@rogerpennel1798]

The radars may not be able to differentiate individual targets with large swarms. Kind of like large clouds of chaff. It might not be a bad strategy for drones in swarm attacks to have radar reflectors to increase the number of radar returns the defending sites need to process reducing their accuracy. Like how the Qail decoy could mimic formations of B-52s.

[@wolfmaster0579]

I do know that Modern Spy 1 and Spy 6 radars can differentiate individual targets in swarms, but I am unfamiliar with the capabilities of other systems. I doubt mobile land based ones can though.

[@niko7903]

Radar relectors (Luneburg lense) doesn't increase the number of radar returns, it just makes the returns bigger. The ADM-20 Quail used reflectors to make itself appear to be the size of a bomber. Also, for stealth aircraft in times of peace use radar reflectors to make their RCS return much bigger in order to keep their actual signature a secret. The US does have the newer ADM-160 MALD (Miniature Air-Launched Decoy), which has been sent to Ukraine. It's not really miniature, as it's like 9 feet, but only a few hundred pounds. What makes it cool is, it carries jammers too, so you can jam radar and communication nodes. It can loiter over an area for up to an hour, you can adjust reflector size so it could look like a missile or a fighter jet to fit the need (even make it maneuver like a jet would). You can send a big swarm of them to help ensure the real missiles or kamikaze drones have higher success. Ukraine is using them to help Storm Shadow success. US has even newer models coming (or perhaps operational, I'm not sure) that are a bit smaller I believe but can still appear bigger if desired, with better electronic warfare sweets and datalink capabilities, and the ability to carry warheads to make use of at the end of their fuel, and I think they might include the ability to return to safety to be reused. The thing is, these decoy missiles are cheap relative to a Storm Shadow, at like $30k per decoy, but the Shahed might only be like $10k. Also, these decoy missiles are all much faster than drones, so they couldn't really disguise themselves as Shaheds, but they could pose as more important priority targets and help to deplete the air-defense systems ammo. For the price it would just be better to have a bigger swarm of Shahed drones to be honest, that's the name of the game with them.

[@user-gv4zb9rc6u]

​@wolfmaster0579 There's a gentleman on KZbin here that goes by the title of habituallinecrosser, who says he was part of the US Air defense corps for 10 years on the patriot system. He did a video looking at the S-400s compared to the Patriot and if I recall, his biggest issue with the ability of the S-400s was that yes, the radar may be able to see as far as they claim- however, given the size of the radar and the power they have available, it will likely only be a low fidelity image. The patriot radar meanwhile may not see as far, but because of how much more concentrated it is, it's a much higher fidelity radar allowing it to have better targeting against the extremely small RCS by comparison as well as swarms.

[@wolfmaster0579]

@@user-gv4zb9rc6u I am aware of his channel and love his videos, although I have not watched everything. I am much more familiar with sea-based systems of the US navy and allies, not so much land-based ones. The reason I believed that mobile land-based systems might not have the same fidelity was because of power requirements. A ship or large stationary land-based system has a lot of power available to it, therefore allowing it to see much farther with greater fidelity than land-based mobile systems. I guess I need to do a little more research.

[@user-gv4zb9rc6u]

​​@@wolfmaster0579 ship based radar will indeed have better fidelity over a long range most of the time, especially if it's a nuclear powered ship, simply because of power volume for sure. That's why, for example, the Gerald R. Ford has such a comprehensive layered radar system alone and still has a fair bit of left over power for modernization if I recall. However, that's why for Patriot the range is reduced compared to S-400 or SPY-6, as far as I'm aware, the fidelity is above an S-400 and perhaps on par or just behind a SPY-6.

[@MrNakedweasel]

I'd love to see CH's take on the 35mm Millennium gun with AHEAD ammunition.

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

It's deeply ironic how effective these drone are given their history. The Iranian Shahed-136 are based on the Israeli Harop drones (first released in 1989), but with downgraded systems to make them cheaper (and half as fast as the original because they have a larger warhead). This means that this threat has actually been out there for decades, but it really didn't catch on until recently, largely because the US had the IDF ban export of this sort of drone to most nations. Also, they were initially designed for SEAD operations, as a sort of loitering, low-visibility anti-radiation munition, which could isolate enemy air defenses and take them offline before real aircraft could operate over the theater. In another deep irony, the Harop was designed to defeat the S-300 and S-400 systems that Israel's enemies use (eg. Iran, Syria, etc), and so the Iranian Shahed-136 drones are actually perfectly suited to defeat the Ukrainian S-300 systems. It would be hard to program in, but the IDF uses a combination of the Iron Dome, and a proprietary EW/jammer system that disrupts their ability to coordinate. As nobody understands exactly how that EW system works, it's not exactly something that can easily be quantified. So far, they are the only group that has demonstrated a high level of effectiveness in mitigating these drones, as the Ukrainians have had a hard time, and the Saudis have completely failed. As of yet, the US hasn't had an opportunity to face a deployment of these drones with our own systems, and so a lot of that matchup is speculation.

[@gail_blue]

A few thermobaric missiles would do the trick. Not only would they have a huge blast radius, but they would choke out the swarm's air-breathing engines.

[@LiamWakefield]

I'm surprised that gull can get off the ground with the size of it's balls.

[@grimreapers]

^^ this

[@technicalfool]

Grim Reapers, slowly turning DCS World into Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator, one AI-controlled slugfest at a time. Carry on chaps, good show.

[@Nealetony]

the 9,700-ton Flight III Burke-class destroyer and 9,600-ton Ticonderoga-class cruiser, yet smaller than the 15,700-ton Zumwalt-class (DDG 1000) land-attack destroyer.

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

Is it even a "land-attack" platform anymore?

[@Nealetony]

@@Just_A_Random_Desk no its a new tech test bed platform.

[@Maverick0451]

This right here is some fun and applicable science!! The swarm by a relatively inexpensive drone or missile is going to be more widely used on the battlefield of the future in my opinion, and finding good combinations of effective and inexpensive defense against swarm threats is going to be vital to any modern military!! I freaking love when Super Cap and CH drop some knowledge on us valued viewingtons!! Thank you!!

[@nihluxler1890]

The most advanced form of attack will be to use both simultaneously.

[@hamid638]

البته درست است داداش ولی این همه اقدام ،الهام گیری ازایران است که تنهاچیزهای میلیون ویامیلیارددلاری که درتمام رسانه هابزگ نمائیش میکنندواورابی همتامینامندکه واقعاهم آن چیزی که تسلیحات ناتورابی همتاکرده فقط ظاهرشیک وقیمت بسیارزیادش هست،که باتبلیقات گسترده آن رارونمایی میکنندوکشورهای که فریب میخورندآنهارامیخرنداماایران درجنگ اوکراین باپهباد(شاهد۱۳۶) ثابت کردکه هیچ چیزی به شک وقیافه نیست واولش اردیبهشت باشی کل اروپاغرب ناتومخصوصاترکیه که به بیرقدارخودمیبالیدوکلی بزرگ نمایی کردوبه اوکراین فرستادپهبادایران رامسخره میکردندومیگفتندمتورسیکلت ایران ولی بعدازاین که بیرقداررانابودکردوتمام تانک نفربرزرهی وچیزهای دیگررابادقت ونقطه زنی نابودکردوردزبانهاشدوتااکنو۱۵۶کشورپهادشاهر۱۳۶رابه ایران سفارش داده انددوتای آنها(چین وروسیه،بعلاوه ی هندوکره ی شمالی )خریداری کردکه هرکدام بیش از۱۵۰هزارتاشفارش داده اندودربلاروس+تاجیکستان+ودرچندکشوردیگرکارانه اش راراه اندازی کرده اندوحالادنیاازایران وتمام تسلیحات ایران دارندالگومیگیرندازجمله(ناتو)ودرکره ی شمالی دررزمایش نظامی چندروزپیشش ازپهبادایرانی که نسخه‌ی بومی سازی ومهندسی معکوس شده ی آمریکایی واسرائیلی رابهترازنسخه ی اصلیش باچنیدین موشک دوربردهوابه هواوهوابه زمین ایرانی درزیربال های پهابادهای ایران درکره ی جنوبی رونمایی کردندالبته ماراکه شمابه پارس هامیشناسیدزیادخوشمان نمی آیدازخودمان تعریف کنیم فقط کفتم که عادت کنی ازایران بخاطرالگوبخشیدن به جنگ بانگ افزارهای بسارارزان ولی دوربردونقطه زن ورادارگیرزازجمله(استراتژیک ویاددادن جنگ نامتعارف بسارموفق وغیرغابل باورازسوی شماست رابه وجدآورده باشدودوباره من من نکنیدویکبارتشکرکنیدبخاطراین خلاقیت بی نظر🎉

[@hamid638]

​@@nihluxler1890بهترین انیمیشن ساخت هالیودبودکه دیدم صادق باشم تامکُروز،جان ویک،وفیلم هایی مثل ماموریت غیرممکن دربرابراین انیمیشن دیده نمیشه حرف نداشت تشکرازهالیود😂😂😂

[@colinboneham7387]

Reminds me of the swarm drones in “Angel Has Fallen”

[@grimreapers]

I remember. They were full AI drones, these are cheap dumb drones.

[@EmmaDwan8251]

Saudi Arabia Deploys Silent Hunter Laser Air Defense Systems Against Houthi Drones. The s output power of "Silent Hunter" is 30 kilowatts and the maximum range is 4000 meters. It is said that at a distance of 800 meters, it can burn through 5 layers of 2 mm thick steel plates, and at a distance of 1000 meters, it can burn through 5 mm thick steel plates. Saudi Arabia proudly announced that the "Silent Hunter" laser air defense system purchased from China has achieved the first shot down under actual combat conditions.

[@johnwolf2829]

Problem; it would take one hell of a lot of launchers and VERY good coordination between them to get a swarm that dense. IMHO, it would be more like a stream than a swarm.

[@FoxRubi]

In real life, they can circle around the target for a long time and attack it from different directions.

[@Nimmermaer]

In real life, they get shot at by all kinds of small calibre weapons while flying around near ground level. You don't want them flying around in regions with any kind of military units for too long.

[@aminabbaszadeh1066]

​@@NimmermaerSmall Arms 101: There is a huge bullet drop that you cannot easily shoot at any flying object.

[@Nimmermaer]

@@aminabbaszadeh1066 Shaheds fly very low to avoid radar and get shot down by small arms all the time. Of course it's hard, but the volume of fire matters. In addition, machine guns have been converted to AA use.

[@Ari-w7x6m]

I would just like to say that Current Hill makes the best mod

[@liamh9814]

CH’s chuckles make my day. I wonder how a QF-2 naval gun would fare against Shahed?

[@RoryV7]

You should try put a couple of World War 2 battleships such as the Yamato In there, Because they had so many anti aircraft guns on them, It would just light up the sky. Because they were made to defend against swarms of planes. We have seen the battleships knockout cruise missiles in some of your other videos, So I would love to see what they are capable of in this.

[@MTBScotland]

Rheinmetall’ Skynex is the one for drones. got the guns with fancy ammo and the skynet missiles plus lasers. Task and purpose did a nice video recently of the lasers in combat usage at the moment. some great footage online of the pantsir missing drones with its gun. They didn't shoot the storm shadow down.

[@grimreapers]

Sadly we can't simulate that smart ammo :(

[@MTBScotland]

@@grimreapers Just not good enough Cap

[@Tbone1492]

How did Russia shoot down a storm shadow🤔

[@lihamuuri8697]

Good 'ole WWII era Triple-A flak is what these things need, bring the flak back!

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

I wonder if the mid air explosions are creating 'chaff' clouds that screen following drones for a bit?

[@willwozniak2826]

Jeez, The American Cruiser "HOLD MY BEER, I GOT THIS!".....just smashed em all....Ohhh Yurrrr!

[@idle_betazoid1990]

Properly scary that number of drones coming at you

[@winstonsyme7672]

Use flak guns. The area of effect of large caliber flak may fix the cost of weapon versus cost of shoot down problem. I think you should have some radar guided large caliber Soviet flak available to use in the game. Proximity fuses would increase the effectiveness even more.

[@20block.Pologroundz]

Damn this aged well

[@solomongray6352]

Interesting. A professor of mine in college helped work on electronic warfare for ships back in Vietnam time. They came up with a system that would blast out electronic noise to simulate multiple ships, with the idea a missile would aim for a ghost, basically a last chance 50/50 coin flip. What if missiles could do that as they come in, a decoy with the original?

[@RBAWintrow]

It would be hard to power such a system from a missile. Some kind of large drone travelling with the missile swarm might work. The EU and US seem to favor stealth missiles though. Keeping the tie between detection and reaching the target small.

[@CptCappelletti]

This sounds like the ADM-160 MALD, they've messed with them on this channel previously

[@trolleriffic]

The big advantage of Shahed is that it's so cheap, but integrating a power source and jamming/decoy hardware would massively increase the price. For the money it's easier to just buy more Shaheds and accept the loss rate.

[@hphp31416]

f35 block 4 is supposed to have holographic projector to create fake radar/ir signature

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@RBAWintrow ADM-160 MALD does indeed exist.

[@tsilmanav]

Time: 4:30ish, they are in fact very good against ships and have made several successful attacks against them in the Gulf of Oman and Arabian Sea since 2021ish. There are multiple seeker options.

[@delphy2478]

i'm sure there is no way for it to be implemented in this simulation, but the USA currently has a pretty awesome prototype Stryker-based Short-Range Air Defense system prototypes with 50-kilowatt lasers that is a directed energy weapon designed to fight things like these drone swarms, and since it is directed energy it doesn't have to do the 'fire and wait to see if it worked', it can just immediately fire, and once the target is dealt with immediately retarget and fire. it's only the prototype phase, but it's a prototype that has had fully operational models on testing grounds, so it's not too far away from being implemented in actual deployment

[@keithjeffery1974]

"If someone upsets the Iranians" Cap being Nostradamus

[@adamb9508]

Hi Cap and CH, great to see the British ships. The upcoming Type 31 Frigate would be interesting with its 1x 57mm Bofors and 2x 40mm Bofors cannons offering full broadside engagement with programmable fragmentation ammunition. The 57mm rounds have a particularly large fragmentation area which may even be large enough for several drones at once (I do wonder if in real life the swarm would be spread over a larger distance though coming from different angles?) and an impressive rate of fire. Also to be fitted with Sea Ceptor missiles albeit only 12 or 24 (TBC?). The now confirmed 32x Mk41 VLS could be fitted with Aster anti air missiles to support the Type 45s as 'bomb trucks' if you will, they will lack the advanced fire control to launch Asters themselves (thats all just internet chatter so take with a pinch of salt and assume the Mk41 will be used for cruise missiles if we get any....). The Type 31 been a lower cost and lower tech Frigate than the likes of the Type 26 and designed for lower tech adversaries for example dealing with gun boat swarms in the gulf could have a good go at something like this, and consider you can probably get 3 for the price of 1 Type 26 or 45. You could also use it against the gun boats swarms you modelled in previous videos? I believe these ships were previously ear marked for more low level duties but sounds like having one with the carrier group would be a good idea to guard against any swarm attacks and to save them precious Asters for another day.....

[@dipereira0123]

Amazing! the only thing I think was wrong was the launching. They launch from the botton one to the top one in order to avoid the rockte assisted launch from burning the botton ones

[@blackhawks81H]

"You have to fire and then see if you've hit before firing again, you can't just fire constantly" Laughs in WW2 Iowa class 9000 peice AA defense consisting of: 20x radar guided Flak firing 5 in (127 mm)/38 cal guns 80x Bofors 40 mm (1.6 in) AA guns 49× Oerlikon 20 mm (0.79 in) AA guns Be interesting to see that.

[@diopmakhtar7721]

i think that all the C-uav systems shown here are working solely when they should work in sync like that : once the swarm of drones is detected we should have a master commander assigning to each C-uav a kill zone to treat and once this zone treated another zone is assigned. in this scenario there is master C-uav assigning targets to others so two C-uav will never try to shoot at one drone at the same time. Nice simulation by the way thank you this show the importance of joint operation with a unified communication of defensive and offensice systems..

[@Theiliteritesbian]

I don't know why I find these videos so good to watch after a mentally chaotic day. Also, anyone else want to go into business creating discounted machines of war? I don't believe this stuff actually costs that much to make - its all R&D and results in massive corporate profit. If bet i could make one of those for $5,000 or less.

[@jamesreay706]

For a cost effective defence what you need is a mobile gun platform that can fly at a similar altitude and speed. AC-130 for might do it, B-17 would be my preferred historic option.

[@HypnoticChronic1]

Good to see my beloved Tico's do really well.

[@RightWingNutter]

That'll motivate us to get laser defenses done and deployed. Another thing about the Ticonderoga class, they could follow up and powder the Shahad launchers.

[@kanagawakenji7]

Have you seen the articles describing Ukraine using updated/ modernized quad mounted M1910 Maxim machine guns to take down drones? They specifically mention it is used against the Shahed-136 140 years old but water cooled so it can run for days, and fires 7.62x54mm round.

[@grimreapers]

That's amazing.

[@redgriffindiver7740]

Do the C-RAM's in game have the electro-optical capabilities of the shipboard version of PHALANX modeled? The Surface Mode Upgrade for PHALANX was specifically tested with drone aircraft.

[@cassius_eu5970]

Love videos like these!

[@trevorday7923]

Not really a surprise that the Tico could do the job pretty easily, that was the whole reason the Aegis system was developed and they've been tinkering and upgrading it for over 40 years now. Bring it, drones.....

[@solomongray6352]

Take the LCS and retool them to a swarm interceptor. A couple CRAMs, a few Iron Dome style box launchers, some ACs, miniguns.

[@grimreapers]

Agree

[@fireraptor6670]

Maybe the tor radar was trying to track every single drone before it fired but with the drones moving up and down it made it seem like there were more drones than there actually was. This caused the radar to not fully detect them until it was too late. The frigate may have had the same problem but was able to detect the full drone swarm quicker than the tor. Or maybe the changing size of the swarm confused the radars.

[@Crashday9597]

Hello all, I have installed the Mod as usual, but where do i actually find it in the mission editor? Ground or Airplanes, i may have missed it or gotten unlucky in the install for some reason but i dont find the actual drone in the mission editor

[@OzanMusul]

Same here

[@andrewknox92]

This experiment is like a big ad for directed energy weapons

[@Rick79LUFC]

Are you the same guy who does venom geek the startrek ship channel ....love both of them keep up the great work 👏

[@Andy81ish]

Would like to see this with a 4 gun battery of 35 mm Oerlikon Millennium Gun with the programable ammo. Range is longer than the 20 mm Phalanx. Also, phalanx has about 1550 rounds capacity, with 250 rounds to a target that's only about 6 targets before needing to reload. 35 mm Millennium has 200 round mag but with 5 to 10 rounds/target that's still 20 targets minimum before a reload is needed.

[@bobert878]

Great video idea cap, never stop the great content!

[@yairisraeli8686]

As many viewers said you forgot the idf iron dome . Looking forward to seeing that.

[@chrisdudley1784]

I wish the scoreboard was for all of them so that we could see what they spent defeating (or not) the swarm. I wonder if in real life they could do a trajectory and then math and decide that the $2B warehouses aren't worth $6B in missiles and future exposure.... Like the Tico captain saying nope, not gonna do it, the next swarm might be at me...

[@tootiredtostop1606]

AHEAD ammo in a medium-caliber gun system (40mm-57mm) with settings optimized for slow targets and good ballistic processing.

[@Leon1Aust]

Ever seen the Italian 127mm or 76mm DART ammo? its amazing as its like a surface to air missile firing out of the naval gun.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

You would asume that the military upgrades their profiles with 'anti swarm mode' algorythems. where you just que targets and engage under optimal conditions without waiting for a kill and optimizing movment more like a CNC or 3D printer (less movment and more work being done) maybe have a goal keeper unit for everything that made it through. You can see here that units get stuck on a target they fail to kill or track in time

[@rogerrussell5155]

Loving the droningtons vijeo

[@dmtribaltyphoon5001]

Hugely explosive!!!!!! Was what brought me here

[@honza1988.]

I thoght about the sinuswave function. However small these drones are an surly in a situation of the radarsystem may AI confirmed birdswarm. Like birds. It simply dissergard it as a very large "birdswarm" until the "birds" were all going to your exact possition. Coolest vids out there And CV really awsome works. You and Cap should rock on cause this is really interestingv and cool stuff.

[@brutrtsgameplay1492]

to have many Gepards for this task is more realistic than many Nasams

[@Nimmermaer]

Gepards are still rare. It's more realistic to have many heavy machine guns specialized in air defense, like the Czech Viktor AA vehicle made for this purpose.

[@rhino2960]

keep in mind an actual AA defense network would have multiple layers of protection out to multiple different ranges, there would be systems in place to engage at different range intervals, and AA guns would be putting up a screen of AA fire in the path of these drones once they closed to within a certain range. On top of that detection and engagement range would be far greater than the range of just systems on the ground as there would likely be radar aircraft up relaying targeting data to enable engagement sooner, and to enable the launch site to be targeted

[@miriamweller812]

When you look at how Russia is handling the drone/missile combo swamrs Ukraine sends in, you always get many drones intercepted by ECM.

[@alihoseyni4848]

The very small body and very low radar level as well as the ability of electronic warfare are among the advantages of this drone that radars and missiles cannot deal with! This drone shows Iran's high scientific and military power.😍

[@stormboy1517]

science with CH, nice.

[@kadabrium]

iron dome?

[@-Hardstyle-]

The Royal Navy Sailors just chilling manning the guns on the bow of the destroyer. Hilarious 😂.

[@surters]

The Type-26 targeting algorithm needs a code review!!!

[@DiGiDaWgZs]

I would heartily recommend a couple of Delta Daggers with the AIM-26 Falcon. They should deal with your swarm.

[@aztec0112]

Or a nuclear Genie

[@Davros-vi4qg]

😂

[@trolleriffic]

Alternatively something like an LGM-118 Peacekeeper with a dozen 350 kiloton W78 warheads to blanket the area would ensure that their destruction.

[@grimreapers]

Or Nike Hercules with nuke tip.

[@harshtruth9148]

I hope you guys have seen the new DCS F-15E simulator.....it looks absolutely amazing

[@karost]

Shahed 136 was designed to fly low level and popup when getting close to the target , but I like this video thanks

[@SavvygeMediaGroup]

You could save all the CRAM ammo until the moment they all dive, then fire over the target to create and iron shield above it,

[@mast3r-633]

got those patntsir guns sound so cool

[@Godsjudgement12]

41:00 patriot operator here, we fight as battalions not batteries, so that is realistic, also we can reload the missile tubes quick enough given the right tools

[@thedubstepaddict3675]

The one thing absolutely perfect for this would be an iron dome system. Which is pretty much what you did with the NASAMS

[@JamesCK1104]

Its realy realy womderful channel and video

[@finality2012]

Good job iran, you just changed every one beliefs of fighting,fight cheap and accurate 👏 👍not fancy and expensive imagine what would happened if there is no air defense , I think we have to ask them how to fight with these🤔🤔

[@ericgeneric664]

Would it be possible to test this swarm out against the WW2 era flak aa guns?

[@Anarchy_420]

Lol yeah Cap U.S. also has several different "drone swarms" couple examples Navy's LOCUST and Army's Switchblade ;) CH Please create The Stryker IM-Shorad and if possible DE M-Shorad! I bet a combination of C-Ram and Avenger Air Defense System would work!

[@musicmaker99]

I think this is one of the best videos you guys have done. This is the reality of asymmetric warfare. For 2.5 million the Iranians can launch a drone swarm, and it costs billions for the US to shoot it down. I wonder which side could keep doing that longer?

[@trolleriffic]

That's one of the big reasons why countries are developing laser point defence systems which would be expensive to buy but only cost a few dollars at most per shot to fire.

[@aflyingcowboy31]

The US THOR Microwave Anti-Drone System is aimed at negating drone swarms and will cost significantly less, and in testing it was successful in taking out a swarm of drones.

[@deskmat9874]

This just proves just how much quality it takes to beat quantity and it's insane

[@unlink1649]

He just used the wrong types of units. He should have used the Mantis with AHEAD ammunition. The other stuff is either made for planes, cruise missiles or just outdated, like the CWIS.

[@Saad-ih3ys]

Even in the cases of marginal success it's all hopium. Those are litterally the best possible circumstances against those drones. All clumped up, coming from a single thin angle, And you anticipating them exactly underneath them and with THAT MANY systems all perfectly ready. Those drones actually don't just go in a straight line, they can take turns. You can litterally attack that island from every side with same swarm being launched from the same initial position. And russians often use those drones as AA bait to potentially detect where the AA is and potentially destroy it first, launch missiles and/or other drones from a less defended side and waste the AA's expensive and limited ammo before letting the real big missiles fly in. Russians utilize those drones mainly as utility and support for the missiles. But sometimes they too hit targets.

[@matthiasderoo9133]

How would germany's mantis system do?

[@choctaw2sticks193]

great video, thanks alot to you both . . . keep-um coming. 👍

[@Thomas_Bampton]

I wonder what That Rheinmetall Oerlikon Ahead auto FLAK cannon thing would be able to do. it looks like it is purpose designed for this exact situation

[@MansMan42069]

Like skeet shooting with automated shotguns

[@Jordanpgates1]

Great episode! Keep it up!