Which Doctor Who Villains SHOULDN'T Return?

[@pastlife960]

DAVIS: “Don’t bring back the Master” Chibnall: “Everything you think you know, is about to change...” Everyone: “Grooooaaaaans”

[@Ben-vf5gk]

I was fine with the Master back. In my eyes, the Doctor Falls was the end to Missy's story not the Masters

[@technotrapper]

According to Big Finish Missy comes after 13s Master

[@epicenigma2011]

Tyler Rouse-Kaminski according to the Doctor Who annual book, he comes after. You looked quite different the next time I saw you,” Whittaker’s Doctor says after referencing the Simm Master. “I quite liked you as Missy. At least she wanted to change, to be a better person.” “She spent too long in your company, Doctor,” Dhawan’s Master replies. “A mistake I don’t intend to repeat.”

[@SamyulDavis]

That's so deeply embarrassing.

[@Chubby_Bub]

@@SamyulDavis What’s your opinion on the Lumiat?

[@robcatt6642]

I love that since this video the master, davros and sutekh have all appeared in the show somewhere

[@archiefraser8927]

The Yeti literally made an appearance in the recent Diary of River Song series 6. And they appeared in the New Counter Measures series 2

[@archiefraser8927]

stephen noonan the Who?

[@lucaseveretts1067]

As much as I love the Silence, I feel like bringing them back would not only undermine Time of the Doctor, but also Matt Smith's entire era. They were meant to show a war that the Eleventh Doctor was in, that he wasn't even aware of yet. Their story begins and ends at the same time as his. Bringing them back would just feel like they were robbing Matt Smith's entire era, and how much his arc is only about him. No Master, no Davros, Daleks only being in filler episodes because they need to legally, his era has that uniqueness to it. Don't bring the Silence back unless it is an Eleventh Doctor story, or if they're not villains at all and are only in the background of a place with a bunch of aliens (sort of like what the Ood are doing these days).

[@KonginDB]

They brought them back as a stupid cameo for the Revolution of the Daleks.

[@plantainsame2049]

@@KonginDB how is that Cameo stupid the doctor was in prison a religious terrorist is the type of person who would be in prison

[@KonginDB]

@@plantainsame2049 I forgot about this

[@567secret]

"No stories that justifies Missy, Rassilon, or Davros returning", welp, sorry Sam.

[@carealoo744]

I mean technically none of those characters have come back yet

[@LiveHedgehog]

Before TUAT aired I remember people were convinced that the Chumblies were in some press photos of the episode.

[@SamyulDavis]

NOT the most out there fan-theory tbh i'd have taken it

[@britanimations2002]

Idc if they belong in the 60's with all their awkward movements around the set, please bring back my beloved Mechanoids

[@glazuki7289]

I mean They have appeared in the "Daleks!" Mini series But we still need to see them on the show proper

[@enigmatickendo]

Hard disagree on not bringing the Master back. I want to see a real, super dark Master back in the show. Like, I love Missy but the story to tell is, The Master wins. Straight up. Horrible things happen and The Doctor has to deal with the fall out and clean up, but not immediately win the day.

[@KnightfallFelix]

Isn't that just The Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords?

[@enigmatickendo]

@@KnightfallFelix As much as I love those episodes, not really. The master gains a victory that's fixed in a 5 minute sequence. I mean, The Master wins in a way that has consequences for a whole season.

[@chriszone50]

No, just no. You don't know what you are talking about. The master can't turn good then bad again. Unless you bring a past incarnation between John Simm and Missy, to fill the gaps in their hatred for the doctor becoming love for the doctor, slowly becoming good with an arc with cause and effect. Bringing back the master being evil is the most f*cked up thing I have ever heard and I'm not even kidding.

[@enigmatickendo]

@@chriszone50 That's the most fucked up thing? Wow, I wish my life was that chill mate. It's just an opinion. About a TV show. It's okay, I also think the Kandy Man is awesome. I've seen so much doctor who at this point my idea of the show is all over the place. I just know I don't ever want the Master to be good. Doctor Who, before cannon, lore, Anything is FUN and a good Master is boring. And doctor who without the Master is wrong imo.

[@horaciosi]

@@KnightfallFelix The Master winning? Yes. Super dark Master? Hell fucking no!

[@castellanofgundabad5]

I think the writers need to remember that each series is a continuation of the show, not a remake or an adaptation, so I don't think there should be any obligation to bring monsters back. Plus, it makes the doctor who universe feel very small if you say that the Daleks, the Cybermen and the master are the most dangerous things in it.

[@ErinTheFennec]

That's not necessarily true, we get a lot more new enemies than returning ones, and the ones that do return often have some reason to return, e.g. the Daleks try to invade as many places as possible anyway, the Cybermen can technically originate from anywhere as they aren't explicitly a species but more the result of a process that many species have done to themselves, the Zygons chose Earth as a good replacement for their homeworld which was destroyed etc. not to mention the fact that the TARDIS has a mind of its own, and often brings the Doctor to wherever something is happening.

[@robertbrookes2000]

Completely agree about Davros. I felt like Doctor Who could've finished with Capaldi with the amount of perfect conclusions he had. Davros, River, Clara etc, and tying it all back to the first Doctor made for a nice round off to his character.

[@andrewlaporte5477]

What if, instead of Missy becoming a grandiose villain again, she regenerates as a Master who wants to do good - and always fails. Give her some tragedy, there's a million ways to do this. What if in order to save Silurians trapped in the ice age she converts them into Cybermen? What if she becomes president of Gallifrey and becomes trapped in their bureaucracy, unable to save the universe when she needs to? What if in a dark reflection of the original plan for Ace's character, she tries to bring up a companion to the level of Timelord, but THEY become the new Master, possibly even another friend/enemy of the doctor, or a short-lived companion like Adam? These stories would allow the character (or her successor!) to continue the traditional role while not breaking Missy's growth in its entirety. After all, she wasn't even a good Doctor when she tried.

[@KnightfallFelix]

I'd love to see a completely broken Master that wants to be good but has lost all faith in their ability to do good.

[@ErinTheFennec]

I wanted to see a much darker and colder version of the Master, like a hybrid of Jacobi and Beevers, but this idea sounds like it'd be fun. It'd be especially interesting if they gave the episodes with an incarnation of The Master like that a feel of The Doctor basically having to undo their mistakes while trying to help them work through their difficulties doing good.

[@lewisdickinson1122]

Andrew LaPorte too bad

[@creed8712]

That’s the great thing about doctor who. If you have a good idea, it’s probably already been done in a book or big finish audio. In your case it’s the later

[@andrewlaporte5477]

@@creed8712 Fantastic! Which one?

[@davidbasil1451]

I never really saw witch’s familiar as a sendoff for Davros. I didn’t like that the whole thing had, arguably, been a trap. If that was an ‘enemies but nice’ episode I think davros could still do with an ‘evil but friends’ one. Maybe they have to work together because of... some dangerous circumstances. Maybe Davros has to try to make the Daleks not kill the Doctor so they can all get out alive. Okay maybe that’s too much. But I’d like to see Davros in something that’s not a trick or a trap.

[@chriszone50]

Yes, at first it felt like a send-off but at the end, it was just a normal episode where it was a trap, the doctor foils Davros' evil plan and Davros is pissed and comes back with his next evil plan. It is obvious that Davros survived, the doctor just trashed his world a bit. It also wasn't a memorable episode so it definitely didn't feel like a send-off.

[@wnyduchess]

Big finish's "Davros" with the sixth doctor. Adapt ittttttt

[@Mothcryptid98]

I forgot how interestingly this aged tbh... Davis how are we feelin about the reveal in this week's ep?

[@SamyulDavis]

Got it spoiled. Very lame to still be going back to the well. The Egyptian theme feels very random and inappropriate.

[@Mothcryptid98]

I was like "Rusty, are we really doin this dude?" When I've watched their ep and am barely remembering what their deal even is beyond the obvious and why i should give a crap I feel like been assigned to rewatch the ep again for homework tbh

[@caberknight9013]

@@SamyulDavis i dont hate it inherintly, I think for the high concept god-like being theme they've had, you could do worse than bringing back Sutekh. However I do think Fenric would have been a better choice and would have tied into the mystery of Ruby's origin (like how it did with Ace) better than Sutekh probably will

[@ErinTheFennec]

Big Finish has brought back the Yeti at least twice, once in "Time of the Intelligence" from The New Counter Measures, and once in "The Web of Time" from The Diary of River Song volume 6. I do agree they should be left alone by the TV series at this point unless they can do a really impressive redesign. I'd also be fine with a continuation of the Master/Missy with a reasonable enough explanation, either give us an incarnation prior to one we've already had OR pull what Big Finish did with The Eight and have the next incarnation acknowledge Missy as an aberration, I'd honestly be interested to see a more cold and calculated incarnation of The Master, more in the vein of Jacobi, with some of Beevers' coldness mixed in

[@zarbixii]

I'd love to see the Master return as an ally. Not a companion, but a new incarnation fighting alongside the Doctor for a story (maybe a two parter) would be awesome.

[@iainkilcar7463]

2 disappointed people here

[@desperatemohammedantheworl5833]

Yeah, no more Davros. Definitely agree with that one. Well all your choices.

[@thelegend3965]

Desperate Mohammedan the World's Strongest Arab not for a while at least

[@desperatemohammedantheworl5833]

@@thelegend3965 And if they do bring him back don't spoiler it, make it a complete surprise.

[@jamiestevens3074]

I’ve always felt that the weeping angels would be a perfect villain for pertwees Doctor. He can’t do the weird space karate on them, and he can’t lecture them about morality and justice. All he could do, is run.

[@plantain.1739]

You know what'd be fun; The Master takes up gardening. 14th Doctor comes around, he decides to check up on the master, and he's just a gardener.

[@EditedAF987]

I mean the war master did really enjoy making his own wine that one time so he clearly has a talent for it

[@manxthehorrid3918]

We need the Valeyard to come back at some point.

[@samuelbarber6177]

It would be cool to find out how the Valeyard exists. Like, his origin. Clones? Parallel universe? Come on, I just want to know.

[@tardisglitch547]

@@samuelbarber6177 well theres a bigillion big finish stories about it.

[@uK8cvPAq]

They could bring the Rani back but with a new face.

[@tardisglitch547]

They kind of need to as Kate o mara is dead and big finish are having trouble to using her for legal reasons.

[@gbsheard]

If they ever did the Master again... which they inevitably will, I'd love to see an idea put forward for a new incarnation based before Delgado. Doesn't damage the Missy arc at all and could create an interesting vibe... I mean ideally the master would not return and the Doctor Falls could be a fitting final part to their story... but if they were to bring the character back, then I suppose there could be some ideas in THAT era of the character to explore?

[@FrostyMac]

I fully agree. We’ve only seen a handful of The Master’s original Regeneration Cycle, and that’s including Big Finish, so some chronologically early Masters showing up would be fun. Plus, The Doctor doesn’t know that they were truly good in the end, so it’d give some interesting character drama, given what The Doctor DOES know.

[@alexthehunted]

the best way i think to bring the master back is to bring back a past master i was thinking finally giving alex mcqueens master his official on screen appearance he is a cannon master and you get to have the evil master back before the time war that could be a good story the doctor meeting a time lord before the the time war

[@snakedaemonart676]

There are 2 masters that could, I'd love to see mcqueens master on screen but you'd need the right doctor with him Youd probably love my comment regarding this

[@HiperPivociarz]

Ah yes, The Magician's Apprentice, my favorite Steven Moffat one-parter.

[@evaunit0014]

Rip what he said about Missy / The Master

[@LPTV84]

Your final question is very interesting because in some villains, yes, and in other villains, no. I think a villain like Sil could work in an era like now because his initial story was, in hindsight, ahead of its time on a thematic level, and he could be used at least once more. Though I feel that ship has passed since I think Twelve/Peter's Doctor would have had a better interaction than Jodie's. However, some villains like City Of Death's Scaroth just works for Tom Baker's era of late 70s tv sci-fi. He is just written in a Douglas Adamd sense of wit and charm and villainy, I don't think Chibnall could recreate that. I think it's quite smart to have Jodie face new villains more than classic villains since she is the newest and biggest change to the show's history. I definitely do not want Davros back, and I don't think we need the return of the Yeti or even new who monsters like the Vashta Nerada or Slitheen. They are their respective eras and with gimmicks that played their course without the need of of a new story to make them pale.

[@aryzhol408]

Great choices. I would say give the Cybermen a break (not forever however). I feel like we seem to have a "oh no it turns out they are being turned into cybermen" every 5 episodes.

[@a_cats]

We're getting cybermen next series

[@carealoo744]

Big-Finish hasn't brought back the: 'Yeti?!' Shame, Big Finish! Shame!

[@archiefraser8927]

carealoo744 they actually have. In the New Counter Measures series 2

[@chriszone50]

@@archiefraser8927 Countermeasures isn't doctor who, it is a crap spin-off. And it was a bad story.

[@archiefraser8927]

Life Upgrade it still counts as Big Finish bringing them back.

[@snakedaemonart676]

Well considering counter measure is the team that exists prior to unit and are in remembrance of the daleks, I'd say they stillcount

[@britanimations2002]

Wouldn't the Yeti be great for Big Finish honestly? They look cudly but you don't have to worry about that in audio form, just give em a good sound design and boom

[@gordonrazey4053]

The yeti was in new counter measures box set 2

[@Visual_Gag]

And the latest River Song set apparently

[@nathanielmorgan9108]

the people who think because there is still a mystery there should be something that solves it forget the name of the show doctor WHO the whole show is based on mystery

[@tashirichards5249]

probably not reading these anymore, but I’d LOVE to see the master return one day similarly to how they did in season 10. If you’ve ever seen Scream of the Shalka then envision THAT scene. A monster busts through the TARDIS doors to see a classic, familiar looking Master recast in the role (I’d go with Derek Jacobi’s Time War incarnation pre-memory wipe personally because he’s a fantastic actor). You think at first that the master has stolen the TARDIS offscreen, slowly realising he holds all the cards only to brutally eject the villain into the time vortex. I’d love to see someone return to the Master’s season 10 themes with a different incarnation. Having now proven to himself that his oldest friend CAN change, the doctor might try to change another younger master, even knowing it’s hopeless in the end, just to have more time with his friend again. Idk, sounds both fan-wanky and emotionally compelling, I love it when Doctor Who can do both so why not. Edit: Basically, I wanna see the Doctor try to rehabilitate Derek Jacobi’s Master, knowing it’s pointless but doing it to show him a better life for a time. Should’ve said that from the start, idk what does anyone else think?

[@BonnieFluff]

the only way I can picture the Master coming back without either being his old self, or missy 2, (or yana 2) is if they try to make him take the lessons he learned, and apply them to his own world view, like, and i hate the term, a anti hero, vigilante whatever, trying to save places but still taking lives, like the "throw bill into a volcano" thing she mentioned. oh and villians i never want to come back, count scagoth, not that he would, but, honestly, with the choices chibbs has made, i wouldnt put it past to think "oh everyone liked city of death, lets get ANOTHER scagaroth and do the same plot again"

[@EditedAF987]

Regarding as to where else they could take the character of the Master, what if the Master was thrown into a Doctor’s daughter situation where they’re suddenly stuck with a clone child that they inexplicably have parental feelings for? But rather than them just being stuck together for one story, they’re paired up for an entire spinoff show where the Master tries to teach this child all the wrong lessons as they go around trying to take over the universe. I’d imagine it being like Walter White and Jesse’s dynamic in breaking bad, where the Master is just being really emotionally manipulative and even straight up abusive at points, yet for reasons that they can’t fathom, the Master still has some kind of an emotional attachment to the clone that keeps them travelling together. It could be a great opportunity to dive into how the Master views the rest of the universe and what their purpose in life is. And then it can be taken further by having the Master finally taking over the universe, but at the cost of the clone’s physical or emotional wellbeing, and so the Master is left struggling to decide what they really want out of life.

[@nico2605]

With something like the entity from Midnight, I don't see why you'd ever bring them back anyways. Bringing back someone like Sutekh on the other hand would just not work. And the thing with the Master I feel like yeah they kind of completed an arc but I also feel like you can't do without them. Maybe use a past incarnation we don't know yet or introduce Macqueen into live action. But I think it would also be intriguing to have the Master try and do good but realising that they are terrible at it. Trying to save people from something and ultimately doing something to them that's much worse or something like that. I just feel like there's more that you can do with the character

[@SamyulDavis]

The problem with the ‘bad at good’ approach is that it really makes him/her look incompetent, which versions prior to Missy already had issues with. I think it could also become comical if extended to another full arc. Having characters revert to previous states of character development is incredibly sitcom-like. It’s so cliched that you may as well go and give the villain amnesia.

[@nico2605]

@@SamyulDavis I guess you're right but while never necessarily inherently evil, I don't think the Master is all that capable of being "good" for a certain period of time and especially not forever. I just don't think it's in their nature. On the other hand, the arc was quite compelling and it would be a nice end for the character, besides the fact that I'd hate to never see them again. They're just too iconic to be put to rest forever and I think it's unlikely that that's what the show will do. Even though it would ruin the "end" that we got.

[@SamyulDavis]

You are right, there's hopefully a further story that can be told with this staple, I just think after Moffat's great handling of the Master that it's going to be incredibly difficult and something that most writers shouldn't even attempt to follow up.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@SamyulDavis Do you think it would have been better if they'd justified the return to villainy, by having the Master take Missy's death as a sign that they're not meant for change and will always go back to craving power., every time the Master gets a second chance or is spared they go back to their old ways. Focusing on the tragedy that they almost a good person but fell at the last hurdle could have made for good drama and been quite meta about the character.

[@quickstixproductions9880]

I disagree with Sutech, in my opinion I've always seen him as a villain that is an obvious choice to bring back. If his powers are only shown sparingly and you made slight modifications to his appearance he would fit right in with new who. I think his design has a pretty timeless look overall.

[@jeckjeck3119]

And Omega too. Two of my favorite bucketheads.

[@chriszone50]

He would make a great finale villain. Big Finish A Death in the Family had a god-like being who could change the world using just words and it was arguably the best big finish audio having the highest score on Timescales but requires backstory, was released 10 years later after The Chimes of Midnight and cost a lot more. In conclusion, it proved a god-like being who is insanely powerful can work as a finale villain.

[@lukegoodman4208]

This aged like fine wine

[@quickstixproductions9880]

​@@lukegoodman4208I forgot I wrote this.😂

[@HowDoIMakeAUsername]

This fool over here talking about Chumblies as if Quarks aren't really where it's at

[@dracopug]

They brought back the master immediately

[@dayschange2]

I think it might be interesting to see the Doctor react to some of these villains---or species, since it's often the whole species lumped into the vendetta--going extinct. We kind of got that with the daleks during Nine's run, but I feel that was a particularly sensitive case. I'd like to see it done again with a villain who is a little less of a trigger, so to speak.

[@jamesbailey9007]

The toy maker should return or the meddling monk which I always wanted for a risk mayall to play the monk

[@JamesMorfa]

Agree with Davros and Missy... I also think there's only one more thing you can reasonably do with the Weeping Angels and that's to make them invisible, but keep the quantum lock thingy so they still freeze when you're looking at them.

[@SamyulDavis]

I'd agree, but then writer Dave Rudden gave him them a pretty decent and interesting origin story...which is something I never thought could work.

[@JamesMorfa]

@@SamyulDavis Didn't know about that one. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

[@jacobhogan3208]

Yeti: agree to a point Midnight: Agree I can't spell the name: I guess I Agree. Davros: I genuinely can't disagree more, sparsely used I'm fine with but he needs to stay. Missy specifically?: Yeah. The Master?: Bring one of his first thirteen incarnations in.

[@horaciosi]

*Sutekh

[@DoctorWhoAdventures]

Awesome video! Very worthwhile discussion! Interesting point about Davros and I think you may be right :O

[@yee-raplantar-maximoff4318]

"Please never do another Missy story" Well, technically Spyfall and the Timeless Children weren't *Missy* stories...

[@MossyWeb]

Welp... Sutek did it

[@roseoak6733]

I can’t see the weeping angels being written well by anyone else but Moffat.

[@FrostyMac]

I want The Master to come back, but as a new, albeit chronologically earlier, incarnation, so as to not mess up their character development in their final incarnation. We’ve only seen, like, 4 incarnations of The Master’s original Regeneration Cycle, after all. I’d also like to see Omega return. I honestly just want some Time Lord baddies. Gallifrey is back, and I want that to actually matter.

[@Carabas72]

I think we've only seen one incarnation of The Master’s original Regeneration Cycle. Wasn't the original Delgado verions the 13th Master, with everything that came after just ever increasingly hare-brained schemes to cling to life, until he got a new cycle of Regenerations?

[@WTSD850]

Maybe when we finally get to story of the doctor going back in time to stop the spy master from destroying Gallifrey it could be revealed that when the master went back to Gallifrey the time Lords begged him to be their new lord president since rassilon was exiled the doctor left and no one's sure if romanna or borusa are still alive leaving only the master a former war hero as smart as the doctor as the only choice left and being him he accepted but it actually turns out he's actually improved life on Gallifrey and it's only when the doctor goes back to stop is when things start to fall apart

[@MrRjhyt]

The midnight Entity should not return, it was perfect and *complete.* But, being set on a planet with Diamond geology must be tempting for a diamond anniversary episode...

[@poeterritory]

Honestly, I think that most of the classic villains were way past their use-by dates. It's probably the one thing Chibnall did right by not reusing any of them (unless he was obliged by contract.)

[@dalekvadron6010]

I think there's still room for a Rassilon story. The only thing is that it would have to involve the Other. If you're willing to dive into the "the Doctor is a reincarnation of the Other" mythos (you don't have to do it with Looms!), there's a story waiting to be told about the Doctor, Rassilon and Omega finally *reconciling* over, or at least coming to terms with the grudges of, what happened so very long ago on a jungle planet called Gallifrey. Concerning the Master, what would be interesting would be for the Master to have turned good and travel by his/her own, trying to atone and to be like the Doctor, but still doing it in the quintessential Master "style". That is to say, lots of schemes and cackling - except when the Doctor learns of it and tries to bring the whole thing down on principle, she/he realizes it was all working towards an unambiguously good purpose.

[@567secret]

Personally I think it was wrong to ever have the Weeping Angels leave blink, ever since then they've always felt so out of place to me.

[@jeffmoo9235]

Well...Sutekh, huh

[@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264]

A monster I do want to see come back are Autons. It's honestly baffling to see that they haven't.

[@Facinliar]

So I think it's best to make the Master a Time child rather than the Doctor. Show that before his meeting with the Doctor, the Master also did a lot of bad things and so the Time Lords forced him to regenerate into a child to raise him in a new way, but history repeated itself and the Master again became a villain. This will show that the Master, no matter how much he wants to change, he just can't do it, because he is a villain, this is his real nature.

[@yuthupjoseph4591]

Villains I want To Return 1:The Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures 2:Classic Sontarons 3:Spiders from metabellis 3 4:Omega 5:Sutekh 6:The whispermen 7:Daleks 8:Cybermen 9:Slitheen

[@samuelbarber6177]

I don't want the Vashta Nerada to come back. Mainly because their first episode was disorder good and they work so great as a 'one-time' villain that I think any further reappearance could either ruin the mystery or ruin their first story. Both of these happened with the Weeping Angels.

[@MrDarthT]

I have to disagree with your take on "The Witch's Familiar". A "send-off to Davros" is what I think we all WISH that episode was. But they bungled it by revealing that it was all a ruse to heal himself with regeneration energy (and try to turn the Daleks into the prophesied "Hybrid"). And you know damn well that he's going to be back claiming that he "emergency temporal shifted" just before the Dalek City blew up.

[@HiperPivociarz]

Davros' beautiful send off: Being eaten by Dalek shits.

[@t.m.carter4171]

Mechanoids need to come back. Big, bulky, and adorable.

[@hebgewoonwisk.inzicht148]

How would people feel about a master clone? Made by the saxon master before his regeneration?

[@helloitsme7553]

To me, the master returning could work, since we don't know a lot about the order of regeneration so it could be an earlier version of the master

[@jacobhogan3208]

What we do know is his first appearence was (depending on what you are reading) his 12th or 13th body

[@Ben-vf5gk]

I actually do have ideas for the Master. The Master not Missy the two are really different things. Season 10 for me was the Master's last shot at redemption, not a full on redemption arc. The tragedy is that they CAN'T be a good person they will always stop themselves. Make them a villain again but focus on that tragedy, that they were almost a good person but fell at the last hurdle. Most new who Masters have been conflicted, torn between good and evil. This time have them firmly decided on evil, have them make their peace with that finally. Have the Master realise that they never change, they do the same things over and over so just embrace their nature. I also think the Master would be a good foil for Whitaker as she seems to value her friends if nothing else- what if her oldest friend was a villain again? How would she deal with that? Plus I think the show should really embrace the hypnotism again. Harry Potter and Jessica Jones have shown that being able to control people is quite a dark subject matter. I'd like to see him start a cult or something.

[@Herosmurf]

I have to disagree, only because Missy actually does change in the end. It goes with the whole "Without hope, without witness, without reward" thing that Missy at the end does act virtuously. She was about to go back to help despite the fact that she would likely die, that no one witnessed her doing it, and that there was no reward. The Master tried to stop themselves from being a good person by killing Missy, but ultimately they die having redeemed themselves. Or at least, that's how I see it.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@Herosmurf She does change yes but she doesn't get to do anything to redeem herself. Redemption is doing things to atone. In this case it would be going back to the Doctor, helping him ect. She decides she wants to be good but that's only the first step so the tragedy stems from she never really got a chance to be good in the end because her past nature won't let her. But it's very interpretable, Moffat left a lot of wiggle room with that scene.

[@DalekchrisProductions]

I'd 100% love to see more Davros stories. Not, like, right now, but reestablish a Dalek empire, give them a kick ass emperor for a while. Then, in like a decade, Davros is back! Davros instead tries to reengineer the Kaleds, but he makes them Daleky. I can see possibilities for Rassilon, but it depends on the context of the Doctor's relationship with the Timelords at that point (which right now is, uh, nonexistent I guess?)

[@jjkeyboards]

"Number 3: Sutekh" UH OH SPAGHETTI-O

[@DaringNote62]

1:57 The New Counter Measures Series 2

[@Tahoof]

no more master slash missy for at least five years and when they come back it had better be an incarnation between simm and gomez

[@HiperPivociarz]

3:53 A comicbook IS a visual medium.

[@johnmoraites6020]

Not Davros. But definitely the Mondasian Cyberman and it’s long past time to bring back the Time Lords. What about the Nightmare Child. The would’ve been 👑 King

[@567secret]

Hey, apparently they had a plan that, had Missy's reveal been leaked, she would've been the Rani instead.

[@ltfringr]

That doesn't make any sense

[@william...1]

I DONT WANT TO SEE THE WEEPING ANGELS AGAIN. they can live on in novels but they were a once off tv appearance ruined by moffat in series 5

[@frazzlesreviews5379]

I personally think the weeping angels should definitely come back. They have been criminally misused as they have the capability to be a b list classic villains like the ice warriors of zygons. And like those monsters they have adaptable purposes that can always be used for small scale horror stories that doctor who desperately needs. I suppose new villains could be thought up for horror stories but I guarantee you none of them will have a design as iconic or recognisable as the weeping angels.

[@joelmole3157]

The only way you can bring back the Master is to bring back the War Master. We never saw enough of him and Big Finish isn’t enough. I don’t know, I can see him with Jodie. It’ll work. Though knowing Chibnall, it’ll either be a new Master or no Master. Or maybe you can go the Loki or Nebula route and have the Master be a full on anti-hero. I think the Master’s better suited to an anti hero rather than a villain anyway! As for Davros, The Witch’s Familar would have been a perfect ending had the episode not gone ‘whoops, he was tricking the Doctor all along! Lol!’ That kind of signifies that they’ll just go back to the status quo and since the Doctor was tricking Davros too, they didn’t really learn anything. They had the perfect opportunity to end Davros’ arc by having die full of regret but they missed it! So I think Moffat left things open ended. In fact, if I were to do a Davros story, I would have him reluctantly team up with the Doctor against a common foe (maybe a species who was mostly wiped out by the Time War). I don’t know, that could be a perfect opportunity to explore their relationship by having them be allies for once. And I’d love to see Sil come back! The satire of reality TV presented in Vengeance on Varos is more relevant now than ever and he is one of Who’s truly detestable villains.

[@FoolsLynx]

There are a few villians that I do not want to see and some I wouldn't mind seeing but give it time. 1. The Master - Missy's run is done. We saw her die, if she suddenly gets another regeneration I will be annoyed. Nope dont want to see him in the 13th and 14th Doctors stories. 2. The Weeping Angels - The Angels got worse and worse. Blink they were terrifying. Flesh and Stone "the image of an angel becomes an angel." This is a stupid concept. Why? Angels of Manhatten... we all know the issue with this episode. The angels keep getting more and more powerful but their basic abilities in Blink were the perfect. Don't want to see them again. 3. "Big" Daleks (Cult of Skaro, Emperor, Davros, etc) - It seems almost every doctor in the revival encountered a big dalek. I don't mind dalek stories. The episode Dalek was an interesting look at a lone dalek while the episode Resolution went on the other end of the scale and made a lone dalek a bit overpowered. Lone Dalek stories would be nice but dont bring back any of the "big" daleks. 4. Cybermen. It seems after the Battle of Canary Wharf, the Cybermen just got worse and worse. They picked up in World Enough and Time but anything between those wer kinda... boring. 5. The Monks. The monk arc was interesting in the 12th Doctors story. but they feel like they have already done what they can. If I was to bring them back, I would have the doctor arrive on a world that has already been taken over by the monks and puts a stop to them but learns that the world was happy under the monks control. 6. Ice Warriors. Cold war was the only episode that should have had the Ice Warriors. Any appearance after that wasn't the best episode. Empress of Mars was ok but also eh. 7. Stenza. These creatures were mentioned a few times during Series 11 as these world conquering creatures. But they are just not interesting. Tim Shaw was fine as a lone character but dont bring any Stenza back. The Remnants were a more interesting creature than the Stenza. Give me an episode of flying rags.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

Missy is done but the Master may not be. I'd agree don't bring Missy back but the Master still has a lot of potential as an enemy.

[@FoolsLynx]

@@Ben-vf5gk The problem with the master was shown in this video. He is either a friend and not evil or not a friend and evil. The master needs something new. He seems to have only two personalities. Evil or Best Friend. Also the master needs to have great chemistry with the doctor. 12 and Missy were perfect. 10 and Saxon were alright. 8 and Slimy felt terrible. etc.

[@MrRjhyt]

I'd go further: I don't want the Daleks back. In 2005, I thought for a large chunk of that first series, that they'd genuinely written out the Daleks, for whatever reason. I can't tell you how disappointed I felt when they came back.... Knowing that every other defeat after that would be given just another escape clause. That they'd never be vanquished, just endlessly defeated and diminished... and still return!

[@stephenbutterfield4456]

I want that blue haired alien from that one doctor who porn parody to comeback

[@k.jamescarters9557]

I don’t feel there is one off limits to return if the stories are good. The problem is we have a lot of average stories weakening the characters. Think weeping angels or even daleks. Only as good as their last story

[@kimba4962]

I kind of want for Davros to return as I don't want that joke of an episode be the last time we see him (also I want Davros to have at least one good episode in new who). But you right in a sense that no writers could top Davros/I, Davros stories and writers of the modern show especially. Master WILL return at some point, it's inevitable. As great as Gomez was in Doctor Falls and those last scenes of her were awesome, but her redemprion arc came out of nowhere and future writers will either ignore it or fall on "well I tried, it didn't work" explanation (which is actually pretty dramatic in its own way). I just hope they won't try to replace Master with Rassilion from Hell Bent. New series should just leave him alone.

[@pumamanjrandsuch]

Make Sil the main antagonist in series 13. That would be fun

[@Sutekh_a_Destroyer]

I would like to see the masters deformed face again the mask was awesome

[@shortangel333]

If they returned the Mara, I'd see that but only if they brought Tegan back for that episode because I felt as if she and the mara were connected in one way or another.

[@shortangel333]

The only issue with this is, Tegan isn't a companion that needs to return, nor any of the other original companions, I don't see the point in more School Reunions.

[@SamyulDavis]

Josh Exactly something I cut out of this video! The Mara would be cheapened without Tegan, and even Big Finish realised that a sendoff for her character was tough. Imagine explaining to a confused, indifferent audiences who Tegan and The Mara are at once in dialogue.

[@User-dn9iv]

Your version of Midnight II just got 1 step closer to actually happening 😬

[@WTSD850]

Best way to bring back davros have him take control of the Cybermen and upgrade them so he can start a war to destroy his creations the former support beings of the universe. Just imagine davros in a cybirg body that's horrifying

[@jedisalsohere]

The Midnight Entity. I don't care how amazing the episode is, I'll hate it if it brings that thing back.

[@Jicholson]

“Let’s talk about the Yedi”

[@k.jamescarters9557]

Also about a maniac master turning up and no one wanting to see it 😂

[@SamyulDavis]

It's mental to me that people like it, it's the only Who opinion i can think of where I just don't even understand where people are coming from

[@k.jamescarters9557]

DAVIS like is a strong word. I always thought it was a good idea poorly executed. Bits of it were scary and jumpy. I do remember it being a bit abrupt in the end, but I thought it was passable.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@SamyulDavis I didn't want Missy to come back, her story is done. The Master will always come back

[@aaronjuergens5219]

I do agree the Master needs a Break, but it’s the Master. As much as I would love to see The Rani or even the Valeyard return, the one old school Rival Timelord I’d bring back is The Monk. I loved the Monk in the audio plays and he’s in my favorite First Doctor Story, The Time Meddler. To me the Monk isn’t Evil, but just a selfish SOB. He can have Companions and even his own rogues gallery of Enemies. He’s everything the Doctor isn’t. The way I always described the Monk was like this, The Doctor will always side with Nelson Mandela and encourage him to rise up against the Apartheid. The Monk on the Other Hand would side with the Apartheid Government, not because he necessarily agrees with it, but because the Apartheid is a stable government, plus they promised him a very valuable leopard skin rug with gold teeth. Also, I wanna see how tacky the Leopard Print desktop theme would be for a TARDIS and I think The Monk would be the one to have it. To save money, they could have a line thrown in about how the Doctor sabotaged the Monk’s chameleon circuit during the War and it’s now stuck as something. I was thinking a red Glasgow police box again to save money. I know how much the Beebs loves doing that. Just paint an existing prop red. This could become a point of contention between the two cause maybe the Doctor was really hoping it would have been stuck as a Porto-John or something. Also, Rowan Atkinson or someone like that should play him.

[@FlatCapWhovian1865]

I definitely agree with your opinions here. Davros I honestly don't know what else they can do with him except maybe adapting the Big Finish story Terror Firma. Sutekh he'd be so hyped up after 40+ years that he'd never live up to our expectations so maybe he's best left for the comics and audios. However with the Master, I actually made a video a few months back where I discussed how I would bring back the character, as you suggest in the video we could always bring him back as a past, previously unseen incarnation. My idea probably isn't for everyone but check it out if you want, would love to hear your thoughts on the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3-coXSgltqLqJo

[@maxlove8894]

I feel like Moffat made a lot of Villains come across like they’re not as powerful as they were with RTD.

[@christopherkirtley8715]

Did you just 'ugh' my akhaten???!!

[@SamyulDavis]

I looooathe akhaten

[@jacobhogan3208]

It's my favourite doctor who story

[@christopherkirtley8715]

@@jacobhogan3208 best speech. Best score

[@themistakery6834]

I disagree with not bringing missy back,I think she was really good but still good video

[@edwardaugustus9680]

Well the Master is back and doing evil for evils sake.

[@SamyulDavis]

Yes, yes he is. And more cartoony then even the 80s.

[@thebigbear402]

@@SamyulDavis he is a mix between John Simm and Eric Roberts

[@Ben-vf5gk]

Except he's not just doing it for evil's sake. Say what you like about the Timeless Child the motive they gave him works, its consistent with the character.

[@Adrianmillsdesign]

I love the yetis

[@joesemmens8286]

SPOILERS : kind of mad I that spyfall sort of neglected most of missy’s developments( there were some parts which seemed like missy e.g. the ending but like the rest was just the master being the master. (Kind of get it after gallifrey mind)

[@ElliottFrisch]

Which Doctor Who villain(s) shouldn't return? Kandyman. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Kandyman - Wotan. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/WOTAN

[@chrispy3369]

The only time I want to see Missy again is when Sasha's Master regenerates into her.

[@enigmatickendo]

That would make so much fucking sense. God please. XD

[@paulleow8017]

If there's one monster I never want to see again, it would be the weeping angels, there's a very VERY finite amount of things to do with them, and I feel like they were relyed on way too much in the series. Also, is it just me, or is Sutekh sort of the DW equivalent of Darth Vader? A character who when you get down to it, is a guy with a cool but cumbersome suit who fandom has made into some sort of all-powerful being (don't get me wrong, I love both Sutekh and Vader, it's just something I've noticed :P)

[@chriszone50]

Well, that's a shame as they were the only successful reoccurring villain made in the new series.

[@zackwalker1789]

I love the weeping Angels and would love to see them again, but not for a very long time. I really wish Moffat hadn't over used them either Smith

[@LNER985]

Zack Walker You know that Moffat created the weeping angels and wrote Blink.

[@zackwalker1789]

@@LNER985 yea, I do. He still over used them. Just because he created them, doesn't mean that he can't also over use them

[@paulleow8017]

@@LNER985 yeah, I know

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

The Midnight entity, the Empty Child, Satan.

[@captainowl7017]

Aged like milk

[@SmartSmears]

I dunno if I agree with the Rassalon one, he seemed way too depowered in that honestly.

[@snakedaemonart676]

The only way we should see the master again is with no new master Geoffrey beevers should reprise the role, crossing his own time stream after his death, he is a timelord after all and can travel in time and as we follow the doctor, the master can show up at any point With the 60th anniversary approaching this would be the best time to have him show up, after all a serious master is the most dangerous master of them all, the pain motivates him This would also be a great time to see Ace as a timelord academy graduate and leela return also seeing president romana, dream story, it makes more sense to see the return of companions over returning doctors, connect the series more And yes there are alot of monsters that need to stay in the past, however I feel the axons, krynoids, guardians, toymaker, fenric are all good to return maybe even the mara and the draconians(long overdue especially as earth teams up with them) But I'm going to say it now the rutans are long overdue for a return, how about an episode showing the origins of the rutans/sontaran war we'd get to see the original sontaran or how about a episode focusing on the war Or how about the doctor having to set in motion the events before awakening by going to raaga where the tereleptils and malus could be (tereleptils were mentioned in stonehenge) Some of these ideas could work well with the right writer I should add mortimus(the monk), omega or how about the eleven-twelve-thirteen (whichever I want to see them-they are equal to the doctor in so many ways)

[@spacemcguffin]

I'd disagree with Rassilon - he's the character who now has a reason to come back, albeit boring "revenge on Doctor Who" style. But leave him be until they can get an amazing guest actor again like Timothy Dalton.