Who's Afraid of Camila Cabello?

[@lyra732]

I always felt like fifth harmony was less of a girl group and more like five soloists trying to outdo each other tbh

[@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon]

This is so dam* hilariously accurate 😅

[@cawesomewhatever]

Camila always on top. 😂according to Demi.

[@cacobapt]

The remaining girl were actually pretty chill with each other and used to get along well, but Ms cabello was always the drama around that

[@melonpeach9723]

when are y’all going to let this opinion go. WE GET IT!

[@RescueMe97]

A tired point that nonfans parrot after it went viral one time

[@scottbuck1572]

Ahhh Fifth Harmony; the only group that routinely never harmonized

[@propogandalf]

Pussy Cat Dolls takes the cake on that one

[@bigchez2855]

I feel like "the blonde era" of musicians could be the subject of it's own video

[@LoneWulf278]

Oh, absolutely. 😂

[@neptunie5171]

This is a fact. I know when Bebe Rexha went blonde it was over XD

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

Can someone explain to me what this means?

[@RomeroRomeral]

​@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ a few singers have "gone crazy" after dying their hair blond. Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Bebe.

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

@@RomeroRomeral Lol, I remember that Katy Perry era. But why do you think that is? Why is blonde hair used right before they go mad?

[@wildcard7449]

Camila's only legacy remaining for me is her saying Christmas in warbled cursive 😂

[@Bugs_bunnie43]

Wasn't that Grand Foyer?

[@acciousername6776]

Oilllll be hourmmme fuor Quismoiisss

[@iamambitious2910]

kwismossss

[@tartagaylicious]

@@Bugs_bunnie43 LMAOOO IM SO GLAD I GET THE REFERENCE HAHAH

[@paula.cosplay]

Quismooous

[@melwhite2023]

I think another thing that really turned people away was not only did those tweets come out during the height of BLM but Normani’s response was super mature and respectful since she was also going through horrible online racism that forced her off of twitter. For Camilla to acknowledge she did it and for people to see she did not defend Normani in her hour of need was all the public needed to know to decide that she was no longer going to get the fame that was once predicted.

[@burnt.norton]

also the messages of her calling normani the n word

[@LoneWulf278]

Exactly. I would and could never support her. I don’t care if she makes Rihanna-level pop music. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@castillocastillo9188]

@@burnt.norton they were fake

[@castillocastillo9188]

Camila defended Normani

[@delilahispeachyfresh2835]

@@castillocastillo9188where’s the proof of it being fake??

[@cherryprincess5396]

She just gives “I will step on anyone to get what I want” energy

[@BreezusSneezus]

She's a total Rachel Berry type

[@armywithluv55]

Bro for real I used to be her fan when she was in 5h ( I was fan of all the girls) but it was so annoying watching her trying to have more attention by doin runs on stage or trying to outstanding the other girls

[@tinan2179]

NO - only one person has slithered 🐍 and stomped her way, from stage to stage - with average to limited ’talent’ - as well as with LIES fed to those clueless 😵‍💫 fans.

[@poindexterorozco]

Makes sense why Taylor plucked her from the group to mentor

[@Brandon210-q4n]

Having fun there, little sexist?

[@kaitimaddox2155]

Fifth harmony actually makes more sense for four people, because a fifth harmony is a phantom harmony that happens when listening to a four part harmony. Despite not being in the score, the brain fills in the gap.

[@StellarAvenger]

I'm sorry, but that VMAs performance had me in tears, lmao. But I'm surprised you didn't at all mention that girl boss Cinderella movie she did

[@AleksandarBell]

I’m pretty sure she didn’t mention it because it was horrible and needs to be hard erased from human history

[@AnneettaLife]

That Cinderella movie was crap. And nobody talks about it because they want it to fade into obscurity. As it should.

[@StellarAvenger]

​@AleksandarBell you're not wrong. I found it funny, but not in the way it was intended. I more so laughed at it than with it

[@hameley12]

I always research before spending time and money on a garbage movie. But when I heard the musicals, the storytelling, and everything else. It reminded me of the horrid remake of Beauty and the Beast (2017). Which I really wish to erase from my mind. From the VMAs laughable performance to her music projects and her "I'm my Own Boss" movie. All I could do was cringe and avoid her projects and future movies. There's a difference between crappy (forgettable) movies and then there's early 2000s campy, self-discovery, self-aware movies that made you question, what's happening? Why is everyone high? But it's so campy and funny. I love it! Lol! 💖

[@AK-sp4sq]

which vma performance?

[@realemmcee]

camila cabello and lea michele just seem like the same person to me.

[@vidaselt]

How 💀

[@ambarcastaneda4763]

They do have very similar energy now that you mention it 😭

[@locopollo2042]

Lea Michele is at least a much better person than Camila Toe but not by a margin

[@Morrigan998]

@@locopollo2042 girl hell no im sorry shes very racist too

[@Press2GetTheCookie]

Wasn’t Lea mean to everyone on set? And hated by everyone? I don’t see that with Camila…

[@TheInnerSanctuary]

They didnt change the name because the fifth harmony was the friends we made along the way

[@FAB13]

🙂 True 🙂

[@pyroclastic8924]

we were the fifth member all along

[@Woogiyeon]

Fourth Harmony sounds so odd 😅

[@melonpeach9723]

@@Woogiyeonit would’ve been a terrible marketing move too, they would’ve lost all connection to their past discography

[@kuromisando]

wrong, its elsa

[@gvaz9636]

I do not like her at ALL. Aside from the racism crap, you can sense when someone is inauthentic and she’s always been that. Her voice is grating. So tired of nothing special artists being so big.

[@hameley12]

As Kayla was saying towards the end, I completely agree. She probably began her singing career by being told she was beautiful, amazing, so talented. But in fact, her voice or her hands could def work if she were to go into voice acting, creating theme music for TV shows or writing jingles for commercials. NOT being a super big Hollywood musician. It doesn't fit into her persona or her character. Since she doesn't know her own identity or what she wants to do. I don't know. This is just my tea thoughts ☺🍵

[@tacoreibrown6560]

@@hameley12 same here that what I've thought of her for a while

[@maybellackles]

I mean besides her being racist I find problematic that she keeps copying other artists too like her second album cover looks almost exactly as Caroline Polachek album cover and now she's in her Charli XCX era. So to me she's just seeing what sticks.

[@happywithdrawal]

spot on! even before the racism i never liked her because she strikes me as a brat. her other antics just make me feel justified!

[@4rifr0mthe3nd]

so her apologizing and realizing her mistakes is just not valid to you?? wow, you are a vile ignorant person.

[@123aimee4]

Since Camila is a white presenting Latina, she should have just completely switched to music in Spanish like Becky G. Latino audiences would have ate her up. Kinda too late now.

[@Gigisguidetolife]

Exactly! Funny part is Becky isn’t even fluent in Spanish (or at least, she wasn’t) while Camila is.

[@meagtaylor3392]

It's the racism for me but she also comes across as someone who was told she was talented from a young age and now just thinks she's better than everyone else.

[@Xonatirose]

She gives Rachel Berry vibes for sure 😭

[@dede0729]

@@Xonatirosethis is so accurate lol 😂😂

[@Jim_ho]

she was 15 bro. it was 2012 and a lot of people used racist language back then. Not defending racist behavior but Camila is so sweet and has apologized.

[@Jim_ho]

and how does she think shes better than everybody else? (gen question) cuz from the live performances that ive seen she said every dancers and performers names for applauses and does seem to treat her dancers really well 😭😭

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

I'm afraid of the way she says Christmas

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

"I'll be home for quizz mice." -Grand Foyer.

[@averykoi]

quiossmass

[@faeriegraver]

QueefzZmazzz

[@bakedpotato1717]

Merry Chrysler

[@jumpdumppyy]

Cwiiiiiiiismoooooiiiiiiseeeee

[@save_bandit]

The tumblr reposts were one thing, but those leaked texts where she called Normani the n-word while on The X Factor is what turned me off from her forever. That was absolutely vile, especially considering Normani suffered racist attacks and harassment from Camila solo stans in 2016 and Camila stayed silent about it. It didn’t sound like someone who had learned and changed from her mistakes at all

[@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ]

Damn. So they actually hated each other really? F*ck.

[@annnyala]

facts. Her music isn't the worst thing in the world but the way she did normani? yeah I don't think I could ever be a fan of her's.

[@christyspellman6338]

The text were fake and the person who faked those came forward along time ago.

[@armywithluv55]

​@@christyspellman6338it wasn't fake 🤥 don't try to defend her

[@neptunie5171]

Exactly. Those texts were vile as well, and she also disparaged the other members. Even though since most of her tumblr posts centered around racist language around black people, she targeted other POC as well. It's one thing if other's want to forgive her based off of the - for me - insincere apology but for me it's been a wrap since then. Even before the leak she gave off weird energy it seems when interacting with the girls in the group but before that moment I contributed it to management pushing her towards the center of the group causing tension.

[@ElijahRhyne]

"Why are they called 4-town if there are five of them?"

[@Woogiyeon]

LMAO

[@paubel58]

in addition to camilas racist tumblr posts, there was a different incident in 2016 after an interview Normani did. camilas fans were not pleased with the comment normani made in regards in camila and went on an absolutely vile and disgustingly racist tirade against normani on twitter. camila did not apologize or really comment on it whatsoever - just said some bullshit like she only stands for peace and love.

[@lovelya4641]

This really turned me off of her

[@castillocastillo9188]

Don't you talk about the xenophobic comments from Normani's fans about Camila or the images of Camila's face in a coffin? Did Normani ever say something about that?

[@castillocastillo9188]

Don't you talk about the xenophobic comments from Normani's fans about Camila or the images of Camila's face in a coffin? Did Normani ever say something about that?

[@propogandalf]

​@@castillocastillo9188 And when was that? Was that after Normani was harassed off social media by Camilla's racist fans?

[@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon]

​@castillocastillo9188 See how you're off topic 😅 That would be why no one replied you. They told you about how CAMILLA PERSONALLY TREATED NORMANI, then you talked about NORMANI'S FANS, not Normani herself.

[@juliagiles1547]

Thank you for keeping me up to date on which celebrities are up to weird shit. The only downside of deleting Twitter has been getting delayed feedback on pop culture news, so you keep my need for tea satiated 💖💖💖

[@agallina9]

same!

[@El1society]

i deleted twitter for a month cause of a dumb update muskrat made and it was the most at peace i had ever been in my life 😭 i should rlly delete that cancer

[@bees.857]

KZbin is my only 'social media' so if I don't see it here, I don't know shit about shit.

[@MeganSin]

I think she’s unlikeable because she gives off Rachel berry energy! She lucked out with Havana and her collabs with Shawn I was more into his singing than hers. Plus is blonde baddie era doesn’t seem genuine. It seems like a poly to be “look at me! I’m so bad. I love it”

[@TeraCloud99]

PERFECTLY EXPLAINED!!😭😂

[@aryxilia]

I’ve never really kept up with her or her songs but recently it’s almost like she’s trying to base herself off trends. I’m used to her songs/concepts like Havanna and My Oh My not the ones she’s been putting out this year.

[@YouStankGoEat]

Lol isn't Olivia Rodrigo Guts era the same thing minus the blonde hair?

[@aryxilia]

@@YouStankGoEat don’t know. Don’t listen to her music.

[@genevieve7676]

Sabrina Carpenter wears the blonde with bangs look better than Camila does.

[@julijulijulijuli]

camilla is a late 2010s fad, I thought she was going to stick to latin music but I guess record execs and her managers thought her last record tanked hard enough

[@jellytwins1018]

Latin music has been a bit in the decline global sales-wise

[@jenlindley7780]

Cause she is latin she has to sing latin music forever? Please stop

[@Unfortunately_Mickey]

She just always comes across as utterly unlikable. Like she is used to being a big fish in a small pond.

[@efghd2624]

She really does. I remember finding her annoying during fifth harmony days when she would act so over the top to "stand out", then everything that followed made me like her less and less. She comes off as very self centered yet also having no self awareness.

[@BlackXSunlight]

There's something very Rachel Berry-esque about her. I remember years before all the exposés there was a video of the ladies of Fifth Harmony minus Camila singing a Demi song in the bathroom in the most gentle, angelic harmonies, and then Camila just busts in fully belting, faster key signature, to sing over them. That was the first sign.

[@castillocastillo9188]

@@BlackXSunlight normani is the one who sings the worst

[@BlackXSunlight]

@@castillocastillo9188 is this a stan thing? Are you doing that thing stans do, making a nonsensical and baiting reply on behalf of your fave?

[@efghd2624]

@@BlackXSunlight Rachel Berry is the perfect comparison. An air of superiority with a hint of desperation. And the crazy thing is, if she didn't try so hard more people would probably like her. Until they found out about the racism, but still....

[@BlackXSunlight]

Gosh I was so hoping you'd mention the much smaller drama of Camila seemingly copying Charli XCX's whole vibe from 2015-2017, like that whole coked out supermodel/cool-girl/party til the sun rises in East London aesthetic Charli popularized, the same vibe one gets from reading Julia Fox's autobiography (Charli and Julia are friends so it clocks, hence the line "I'm everywhere I'm so Julia"). The biggest comparison for months was that "I Luv It" has a similar cadence and beat to Charli's "I Got It" but just way faster, like if Alvin and the Chipmunks covered Charli's song. And then on top of that, the album coming is called C,XOXO. It's just SO close to CXCX, and it's theorized that it's Camila whom Charli is talking about in Von Dutch, when she says "It's so obvious I'm your #1." Charli was a huge part of the rise of hyperpop when nobody except a talented few artists were messing around in that field (obviously SOPHIE and Dylan Brady carried the subgenre but Charli is crown princess) so it's interesting that Camila's big rebrand is to drop a couple hyperpop singles, with the hot cokehead London party girl aesthetic, name the album so similar to Charli's call sign... And also Cinderella was SO bad.

[@pyroclastic8924]

"i luv it" directly samples rihanna's "cockiness" which has a similar chorus. i advise you to look at the lyrics to rihanna's. for being her sexy cool girl era, camila really watered down the original so it was tame and pg. inauthentic....

[@lmnop29]

i remember her also getting heat for speculation that for her sophomore album, Camila copied Caroline Polachek's album's aesthetic. Apparently Camila likes hyperpop but can't be bothered to produce anything half as interesting

[@BlackXSunlight]

@@lmnop29 Considering Charli and Caroline have collab’d more times than there have been X-Men and Avengers crossover issues, there’s an overlap 😂

[@yyyssss835]

I LOVE Charli xcx and i love camila, honestly i dont see a problem with her being inspired by charli’s aesthetic and vibes. Didnt charli showed her support towards camila, theyre friends and i think a lot of ppl should be inspired by charli too

[@BlackXSunlight]

@@yyyssss835 The tiktok Charlie made of her parodying Camila dancing inside the car but she’s using her song instead is kind of shade. It’s giving when Paramore said “and now for Misery Business!” during a show and played Olivia Rodrigo’s “good 4 u” instead.

[@lyramusica4485]

Apart from the past Tumblr posts, I also have a problem with how Camila dealt with Normani being horrendously cyberbullied by her fans to the point that they were photoshopping Normani's face onto images of l*nching. These fans attacked her over some interview clip of Normani describing Camila as "quirky and cute." While the other 5H members were quick to defend Normani, Camila took her sweet time to actually say anything (she ended up being very subtle about it rather than direct), which Normani later said was very hurtful.

[@rigojr3935]

They push the dummy off the stage 🤣😭 yo that’s horrible but it’s so funny

[@Brandon210-q4n]

And then they broke up a few months later.

[@quaggotoak]

im not susceptible to pop culture tweet accounts influencing my opinions on celebrities with their tweets bc i cant read

[@NYinside]

what up, im jared, im 19 and i never fucking learned how to read

[@EF-kk3vh]

based ig

[@殺人光線]

Illiterate goddess 💅👑

[@BlackXSunlight]

Slay boots, Lea Michele!

[@alim.9801]

​@@NYinside oh my God I completely forgot about the existance of that Vine until just now reading your comment 😭 my day has been made, rip Vine and rip Jared's literacy

[@casey-wz1cq]

as a person who's been a harmonizer for the longest - i think it's super important to also recognize how much the fans likely strained the relationships between the 4 girls and camila. even in their debut era, camila was pushed the most by far and therefore had the biggest and LOUDEST fanbase, that (through personal anecdote) was constantly attacking the other girls and comparing them to camila. most of the narrative about the other girls "hating camila" even while she was in the group was pushed by people who were fans of camila purposefully, in order to separate them. also p.s., the justification for continuing as "fifth harmony" is because they began to call the fans the "fifth" of the group. just a fun fact :)

[@HoeplessAlexis]

yeah i agree. its always interesting seeing peoples views of the girls when they themselves were not in the fandom. A lot of the " oh those girls hated each other" agenda were created by stans who wanted to pit the girls against each other to boost their favs. I think its a little unfair to say finitely that they NEVER had an ounce of chemistry or love for each other.

[@alisonbender8575]

I feel like Demi lovato has to shoulder some of the blame for the other girls hating camila too

[@justjoannak]

Yes, Camila and Shawn have dated on and off for a few years now I personally can't stand her due to her racism (specifically toward black people like Normani) after leaving Fifth Harmony. The only time I can think of where she could've likeable when she was on The Voice S22

[@BlackXSunlight]

Also!! I felt so alone in this but I looked sideways at Shawn Mendes for years the same way people looked sideways at Taylor Swift for dating Matt Healy, with no comment about his racist r-word corn. I feel like the only reason Camila's bad rep didn't spread to Shawn is because good ole classic misogyny.

[@heavenminutesofseven]

@@BlackXSunlight right! i was a fan of shawn for years (since illuminate). when he started dating camila, it turned me off from him for a while. i'm still sort of a fan, but i definitely don't pay attention to him the way i used to. he made dating her his entire personality while they were together, and kept going on about how he had been in love with her since they met; camila was 17, he was 16, which means that her racist tumblr escapdes were fairly recent. he HAD to mention her in EVERY interview, and he couldn't go two seconds without saying her name or saying "i was talking to my girlfriend," etc. like man idgaf about your girlfriend. i'm here for YOU, not her. AND he said in his netflix documentary that "every single song" he ever wrote was about her. it was almost a bit creepy, IMO, the way he talked about how he pursued his relationship with her. definitely made me side eye him and lose interest. i haven't looked at him the same since

[@artmaks9363]

@@heavenminutesofseven LITERALLY. I found out about racism just today, I haven't heard about these tweets, they were shushed in my country, but their relationship had such stalkery vibes, like, keep some things to yourselves

[@justjoannak]

​​@@BlackXSunlight I agree about the misogyny 100%

[@justjoannak]

​@@TombCat Yeah, I don't disagree with that

[@lillylilly5714]

She has no longevity to her career. She doesn’t seem to know her true identity as an artist and this new era is a big fat NO.

[@dee12401]

Yall been saying that for years and she's still here. Yall have no power or intelligence

[@lillylilly5714]

@@dee12401 she left and came back in a desperate attempt for attention. This is her flop era and her hair looks awful I’m sorry. She has proven she has no longevity and is not a massive star. She doesn’t know who she is as an artist and she is scrambling at this point

[@queencockroach]

Saying that you “think” Camila and Shaun “dated at some point” is crazy to me bc they were SUCH a thing. Maybe I was just on a weird side of the internet, but I remember their relationship being talked about constantly (mostly speculating that she was his beard).

[@justjoannak]

I remember their relationship being everywhere but not the beard part

[@clairek8130]

those tumblr posts dont even scratch the surface of what shes said. there were texts, fb messages and her stan twitter, all the same. the fb messages were the most egregious however where she literally called normani the n-word. her stans were r*sict as hell too. like horrible. i really want someone to do a really deep deep dive on camila and how horrible her fans were. i was in the trenches back in the day

[@cherryprincess5396]

People never seem to mention the leaked chat between Camila and Michael from 5sos, they were messyyyyyyyy!!!!

[@notagname]

the Facebook msgs are fake omg y'all still spreading this narrative. her Facebook account wasn't even named camila cabello, it was karla cabello.

[@nakaikiaka89]

​@@cherryprincess5396weren't they just sexting?

[@lxlx7941]

@@cherryprincess5396wait what???!!! What happened???!!!!

[@brigc7755]

I was into both Shawn Mendes & Camila during the late 2010's so like... i got a small slice of their fandoms interacting and both of them are VILEEEE (then I got into K-pop but refused to interact in fandom spaces LOL)

[@japansace]

I will never forgive her for that “nicoTINE, heroINE” song. It haunts me.

[@nalalalalala9946]

STOP I KEPT THINKING ABOUT THAT SONG ALL THROUGHOUT THE VIDEO AHHHHHHHH

[@realemmcee]

living proof is even worse.

[@tacoreibrown6560]

the way that song still trends on tiktok 😭😭

[@donjai9366]

The reason why Fifth Harmony didn't change their name once Camila Cabello left was because the group already established themselves as Fifth Harmony & I honestly don't think their label would let them change it. 7:00 I would like to add that another reason why Camila Cabello's racist past was controversial was because Camila had collaborated w/ black artists in the past from Dababy to Young Thug to more recently Lil Nas X & also Normani who is Camila's former group member is black & Camila did NOT come out & support Normani when she's was being hated on w/ racist comments.

[@tuttut8165]

As someone who loves hyperpop and alt music scenes in general, her new era seems so… soulless? It seems like she only likes the aesthetics of the scenes she’s taken inspiration from. She looks good, and i luv it has some synths that I like but it all feels so surface level and detached just like the rest of her music and “eras”

[@EARTHMANIAC]

“i don’t think there has ever been a conceivable point in human history where the internet has collectively loved camilla cabello” 0:00 perfect

[@melanino]

All i knew is how she treated normani so i just didnt give a fuck about her

[@Klrslott]

@satin-cx5evWHERE? You’re delulu

[@rainbo777]

I’m so happy Normani is free and thriving in her solo career - everything she does is fire, just so solid.. meanwhile Camila just does not seem like a nice or talented person.

[@psdoyoo]

You don't need to bring Camila down to praise Normani, this is literally against Normani's beliefs

[@Brandon210-q4n]

What solo career? She delayed her album for five years and all the hype died down.

[@flower_topia]

yet again, some bozo here at it with the 'doesn't seem'. stereotypes and prejudices really do be the thing that causes war in the world- it's insanity the amount of comments that dont actually have a reason for why they camila, just the repetitive 'it just seems'. and thinking camila isn't talented is WILD- you have a next level type of ignorance to be ignoring all her very successful singles, and the masterpieces of her previous albums. it might not be everyones taste, but she has more success most of us will ever even have, she's successful for a reason- that is some way does equate to talent.

[@sarahissomewhere]

Lol I remember seeing a L’Oréal commercial with her in it with the tagline like “everyone loves a comeback” and this was after she went solo, so I was so confused like “she’s coming back from… being successful enough with her solo songs that she left her girl group? Huh?” Now it seems worse if it was a comeback from having to apologize for being racist as a teen.

[@blubbydragon5381]

About the racist tumblr posts, Camila's apology was a load of ass because she kept mentioning it was "years ago," However, at the time she was exposed the most recent posts on the account were only a few months old. I personally remember I was actually able to see the account when it was still active and the most recent post was only like 7 months old.

[@stonecake313]

I thought she said the racist posts were several years before her apology at 22, not that she abandoned the tumblr account years prior

[@blubbydragon5381]

⁠@@stonecake313The account was a secret tumblr account entirely dedicated to reposting racist garbage, not a regular account where she made a few bad posts. She tried to play it off but she was completely lying at the time. I was a casual Harmonizer and saw the whole thing unfold. Basically the real timeline was she got exposed for having the tumblr account, she got a lot of backlash for a few weeks, then made the “apology” where she lied and tried to play it off like it happened a while ago but for a little bit before she deleted it you could see she had recently been reposting racist crap within the previous few months.

[@blubbydragon5381]

@@stonecake313So she lied. I was a casual Harmonizer back then and saw the whole thing unfold. The entire account was a secret account she devoted to racist content. It wasn’t a just a regular account where she made some bad reposts. What happened was she got exposed, got flack for a few weeks, then made that apology where she tried to lie and say it was years beforehand. However, the account was still active a a brief time before she deleted it, and you could see the most recent racist posts were only from a few months prior.

[@dee12401]

She kept Saying it was years ago bc... it was years ago. You're offended by that?

[@blubbydragon5381]

@@dee12401 You need to re-read my comment. A lot of Camila fans give the bs argument "she said all those bad things years ago when she was 14." That was a made up narrative by Camila because when her secret racist accounts were exposed in 2019, you could see she had still been posting on them recently at that time which meant she was still racist af. She deleted everything and lied that the posts were from years prior when they weren't. Idk if you're a child or something, but by 2019 it was already normalized that being super racist online was generally bad. 5 years ago is not that long ago, and she was in her 20s. Trying to hand wave it away when it was in fact very recent, and she lied about it anyways, is really awful

[@cityboy2092]

Camila Cabello is a great example of a pop star who works perfectly on paper, but not at all in execution. She's a conventionally pretty Latina woman with the potential for international appeal with a unique voice and personality who got her solo career start with years of industry experience/connections already under her belt. She is the kind of aspiring pop star record labels dream about discovering. But all of that can't compensate for the fact that she, ironically, lacks the X Factor. Her voice is irritating as hell. Lots of successful pop singers can't sing, but even in studio recordings, her voice is so shrill and unpleasant to the ears. Weaker singers like Britney Spears and Rihanna know how to utilize their strengths so that even if they're not amazing vocalists, they can sell the shit out of their performances to make for convincing, marketable music that will appease an audience. Camilla though, is just not fun to listen to. She also carries this strange anti-charisma where she does have an identifiable personality, but it's not a good one. Every interview it seems like she embodies the early 2010's millennial white girl stereotype of trying to be as quirky as possible, which was a personality type that inspired rage in people even back then. It comes off so forced. And then her music is just...blah. Havana was a fun song and she might've had more staying power if she recognized what made that song stick and found her lane doing that, but instead she clearly had aspirations to be a singer-songwriter type of artist, which she just does NOT have the chops for. Her songwriting is not good enough to get a mass audience invested, and then combine that with her ear-splitting vocals and often bland production, and you wind up with songs that appeal to absolutely no one. This album cycle seems to be her just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks after years' worth of diminishing returns releasing music for the sole purpose of appeasing Top 40 radio listeners, but the new image change and songs are so half-baked and sloppy. I honestly don't know if there's anything she can do to get her career back on track because she doesn't have a lot of people in her corner. Usually I can think of some sort of way out of the hole for artists who are in a slump, but for her? I got nothing

[@rainbo777]

Simply completely agree.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

Well said!

[@zaddyfaye6880]

wholeheartedly agree, but i just want to jump in rq and mention that britney was actually an extremely-strong vocalist - her signature sound is what her label pushed for from her, not her natural sound

[@genevieve7676]

Glad I'm not the only who found her voice irritating. Never liked the narrative that Camila was the "talented" one of Fifth Harmony and anyone who doesn't like her or her music is just jealous🙄

[@thepiggiediaries2605]

I cackled at the whole this could have been a how the internet fell out of love but no one loved her to begin with comment. I can’t with Camilla. I don’t like her and never have.

[@vidaselt]

Believe me I saw lots of people irl love her ...

[@zaenaschannel]

Ooh if you're doing 'musician era's' then Tyler the Creator is such a good case study

[@melise9205]

obsessed that you actually ended the video asking what we’re eating for dinner because of the podcast 😭 i’m eating chicken and rice

[@itsbonkerjojo9028]

Where is podcastft. Also no one is answering this . Glad that u did😅

[@charliebowles9456]

"I always get him confused with Troye Sivan" 😭 kinda same

[@cuppapablo]

The "I was 15 and dumb" defense in regards to racist language is hard to swallow when we are talking about someone who was 15 in the 2010s...

[@the-berries-and-cream-dude]

If she was 15 around the 2010’s, then she was born in the 90’s a time where it was very filled with racism, misogyny, homophobia and awful stereotypes. And even if it doesn’t seem so far off, the 2010’s were also like this. Lady Gaga was very open of supporting the LGBTQ+ community and people thought she was crazy and would ruin her career, this was 2009-2012. Miley Cyrus was criticized and hated for changing her image during the Can’t be Tamed era, this was 2010, Glee was praised for having a diverse cast and talking about topics that are normally ignored, it was 2009. The 2010’s was a time when things started to change. I’m not defending what Camilla say/did but let’s not act as if 2010 wasn’t filled with ignorance.

[@smallspringonion]

Come on, if we can accept that adults in prison can change, I think we should be able to accept that somebody can change from when they were a literal teenager. There’s a reason that people under the age of 18 aren’t typically tried or sentenced as adults. It is entirely possible for somebody to go from, like, white power as a 15 year old to anti racist as an adult. That said…. She didn’t even admit that she was racist so she probably still is to some degree.

[@averykoi]

the thing is, i hate to say it, but people change. i was never a racist person, but i was homophobic when i was a child and i was such an annoying rat lol, i would make mean comments on lgbt posts and, looking back at it, i was just a confused gay child that didn’t want to accept their sexuality. sure, what camilla did was vile, gross and infuriating, but she changed from her 15s (at least, i want to believe that)

[@arianna5270]

Being a Black person while folks try to convince you to support a mediocre racist artist because she was hateful and racist as a teenager only because of youth 🥴 is such a weird spot. She is welcome to change and people affected by anti Blackness are welcome to never support her again.

[@Wizofmincraft]

@@averykoi She didn’t change at all lol, her fans attacked normani brutally and she never told them to stop doing it. She doesn’t care

[@Thenewboidahlia]

I literally had no idea who she was until the very last second of the video when you played Havana 😂😅

[@eamonnpatrick4863]

she's also trying to be Charlie xcx tbh

[@yyyssss835]

is there something wrong with being inspired, i would too i could rock charlie xcx vibe

[@Tjtingz]

there's honestly no similarity between the two lmao

[@eamonnpatrick4863]

@@yyyssss835 it’s one thing to be inspired but the way she’s going about it just feels very forced. Like she very clearly is trying to give off an underground club kid pop type vibe when she’s clearly just not that girl

[@yyyssss835]

@@eamonnpatrick4863 i loooove charlie with all my heart so i kind of agree with u that this hyperpop thingy doesnt click with camila i just think trying on diff things is not that serious especially when ur doing it to have fun. Afterall theyre close friends im sure charlie is supporting her too on this one

[@ingreenmusic]

in 2019-2020 she tried to copy halsey's visuals. now she's charli xcx wannabe. someone get this gurl her own style

[@sillyhermy]

I had Haitian and Korean food for dinner. I don't know how to write both of them in English but basically rice and soup/stew. Yummy^.^ I hope Normani does well.

[@melonpeach9723]

3:11 can you all shut up and leave fifth harmony alone? they had chemistry, but ofc they weren’t always going to get along. unlike with other groups, all of them except ally were 15-16 when they got formed!! we’re all SO tired of you all saying the same thing.

[@christianscholer6599]

Her relationship with Shawn Mendes also felt very manufactured by their respective teams. In the Shawn Mendes doc on Netflix, Shawn makes these awkward statements of love and she's like, "oh, okay."

[@Brandon210-q4n]

Can you actually prove that?

[@northrnstar]

tbh i can't see her the same ever since a youtuber described her singing technique as "door creaking".

[@101gaarafan]

I feel like the best girl group to ever come out of those Xfactor american idol type shows is little mix. Their music was good, you could tell they all really loved and cared for eachother and even after Jessie left the group you could tell the other girls loved and cared about her. It such a shame the fans bullied Jessie in the way they did cause she was a big part of that group.

[@Jack-gj3hb]

To be fair, I would not be able to name any other member of Fifth Harmony

[@DJthehuman]

having the worst day i've ever had and this video unexpectedly brought me some relief from the nightmare -- thanks kayla, keep up the stellar work, it's awesome to get to see your channel blossoming as time goes by edited to add -- the part that got me was the ending where derek helped you get around the copyright hahahaha legendary

[@1Phaedra1]

Hang in there 💜

[@DJthehuman]

@@1Phaedra1 💙 thx trying

[@Otherworldly_21]

There’s an R&B group from England called Flo and their vocals harmonize beautifully together. I wish nothing but their success

[@alexnicole6806]

Ty for keeping us all in the loop

[@jessp.r.7181]

I genuinely don't mean to be mean but i think you barely touched on the topic. Lots of stuff have happened since the things you talked about (and with this i don't mean to say that her being r4cist is a thing of the past and shouldn't be talked about, but rather it should be added on). Because she has started to be significantly more hated on this year, i think it has to do with her new era, her new look, her songs that are quite bad, and how she shows more of her sort of "partying lifestyle" that the public is not as fond of her as they used to before.

[@kierangrossman1814]

made grilled cheese while listening to this, you are psychic

[@fusetunes]

never been this early, looking forward to hearing another perspective on her and fifth harmony (:

[@GB-kv6dl]

I had chicken tenders and fries for dinner. Also, thank you for my star! I am a special special princess (or at least one that doesnt have twitter)

[@agentredfbi9626]

Lol i feel so called out, I'm eating chicken alfredo though

[@vkskms]

This is off topic, but your comment about the use of "era" got me thinking about how a lot of terminology used among pop-culture fans at some point mixed with the K-pop (somewhat J-pop too) twitter community's lingo and are now confusingly used in a way where the word taken from K-pop fans is inherently the same but the usage got confused on the way. I am not saying K-pop fans created these words, many were first used in Western pop-culture, then used in a way that fits K-pop, and when Western pop-culture fans or mainstream media outlets take them back to use they don't realize the meaning has changed: see "stan", "fancam", "edit", "delulu", "anti", and maybe even words like "era" and "comeback".

[@chaaaargh]

heavy on the fancam mention, main stan twt started misusing that lol

[@ricardohernandez2954]

That intro line was SAVAGE 😂😂😂😂

[@Brandon210-q4n]

Well if your IQs in the negatives-like the creator of this video-I can see why you would think that.

[@musiclyrics0446]

Hater! she is a talented girl. she's not racist that's for sure she does'nt have to prove it but you can tell how she treats everyone with love and respect black people gay people . she doesn't have anything but love for all people. plus. she has proven to be the most succsefull of fifth harmony. why not say anything about that? she opened a grammy. her first album made the world crazy . she flopped a little after that. but still like so many artists have flopped music. It's fine. let the human being be what they want and when they want if she want to be a baddy what the hell is you buissness. I'm actually not a big fan of her. but the amount of hate I see in the comments and the video is so much like at least do as half of her career and then talk🙂

[@bukichi]

you're delusional

[@Deoxys911]

I've considered Camila one of my favorite pop artists since around 2017-2018 and, as someone who barely keeps up with online music fandoms, I didn't realize I was apparently a somewhat rare breed until watching this.

[@julesolaguer8679]

i think the receipts of racism really turned people against her, and her music has never really helped her. she dated shawn mendes for a long time and i think that was kind of her saving grace and the reason people tolerated her?? and now that they're not together there is just no need

[@chow-der]

Do people even like Shawn Mendes?? I feel like he's very Ed Sheeran-like (or Adele), no one really likes or dislikes him. He doesn't have mainstream stans, everyone has some songs everyone likes like stitches. But I feel like that's not enough stardom to cover up how she acts

[@monikasmithsonian2985]

I think it’s important to remember that Camilla was 15 when this started!! It’s absolutely insane

[@cowsandsocks]

Normani even came out and told everyone that it was a lie gurl this happened over a decade ago. You just love to hate

[@crystalDM96]

I'm a fan of Camila's solo music - Havana (at least to me) is one of the most unique songs I've heard and when I first heard it, it was playing on repeat in my playlist for nearly a month. Beautiful, Bad Things, Never Be The Same are also some of my favourite songs ever. Imo everyone has different tastes in music and I resonate with Camila's journey in terms of the quirky awkwardness, trying to find her heritage, and generally I like her music. It's often got a dreamy quality that feels like a movie / fantasy and that's what I like about it. It also helps that I'm in a similar age group and the topics that Camila sings about are all stuff that relates to my life eg. Bam Bam is a comfort song for me and came out during a time when I really needed to hear it. As for the controversial side of Camila - it seems like the haters come from 3 separate things. A) Fifth Harmony fans who like the other girls and not her. B) Her reblogs as a teen on Tumblr C) Some people getting cringed out by her dating Shawn Mendes & the panned Cinderella movie. For me, A isn't a problem because I've never liked Fifth Harmony and the music that came from it - it always felt like all 5 girls barely liked each other and were constantly competing. The Fifth Harmony music felt generic mainstream (whereas Camila's solo stuff has always felt personal and linked to her own experiences). Basically when Camila left Fifth Harmony I didn't have a problem with it at all, and Fifth Harmony eventually breaking up also didn't make me dislike her B is the most problematic one out of the 3 and this is probably a factor that made me question Camila the most. I've scrolled down the Tumblr and it contains disgusting stuff - but Camila didn't make those memes or posts, she reblogged / reposted them. Reblogging is still bad but many people seem to think Camila wrote them or created those memes (which she didn't). It happened when she was a teenager (15ish) and she hasn't done it since, or showed any other racist behaviour since then. After she realised what happened, she has gone to a re-education correction course to fix herself and correct her behaviour. Imo for this one it's something to monitor, if she still does racist things as an adult or continues to do problematic behaviour then yeah I would probably boycott her music. But so far her problematic / racist behaviour seems to be just the reblogs on Tumblr as a teen, and not a pattern that she is continuing as an adult. For C - this one was really weird to me that she got so much backlash over it. Camila and Shawn posted a joke video of them kissing in a purposely awkward way, and for some reason the whole internet went mad over it (it was obviously meant as a joke but everyone seemed to think it was a serious video and kept saying they were bad kissers). And then some portions of the internet seemed convinced that Camila and Shawn were dating only for PR, which is again ridiculous because if you've been following the two it's extremely obvious that they have been in love with each other for years - they've constantly hung out together backstage, just look at the pics of them looking at each other and you can see it. Plus, Camila and Shawn's careers actually took a hit / declined after they started dating. PR is supposed to improve one's career, not derail it. The two stayed together for a hecking long time even after the backlash - if it was PR, they would have called it off much sooner than they ended up doing. As for the Cinderella movie, yeah the trailer looked very bad and I doubt it was a good movie. But one bad movie shouldn't be that controversial - even Taylor Swift ended up in the bad CATs movie and it didn't hurt her career. Basically I don't know why any of the things in this category became controversies and I'm guessing it's mostly people who dislike Camila for A & B, using stuff on C just as reasons to dump more hate because they already dislike her

[@LeluGonzalezC]

People are allowed to dislike things without giving other people an explanation

[@hay13ybay13y]

I think it was also the specific targeted racism towards Normani

[@motomutant]

@satin-cx5evoh that’s not…

[@YoubelongwithTaylorSwift]

I am not a big Camila Cabello Fan but i think this video doesnt really depict the reality.. to undermine the sucess she had in the early stages after leaving Fifth Harmony with Havana and Senorita. She at one point was a massive hit and left the rest of Fifth Harmony in the dust. It would have been way more interesting to have this video show her downfall. Like this the video feels kinda uneducated (talking about shawn mendes " who I think she dated at one point" like excuse me? did you even try to make a useful video there are so many controversies alone around that - talking about the toe incident or the time they were making out after breaking up at coachella). This video really left me wondering - what is the actual reasoning nobody talks about Camila, cause the old twitter posts cant be it (looking at Senorita and Havana sucess).

[@ingreenmusic]

ah, camila was always the one who ruined the harmony. i mean, girls were really trying to do that but she always wanted to outdo them

[@mkayyy1918]

I hate the "dumb teen" argument. When i was a teenager i knew what i could and couldn't say. I knew saying the n word was for black people only (i say this as a black woman). People need to give teens more credit. If you're old enough to get a job and drive you're old enough to know what not to say.

[@tencelTechnologist]

15 is not old enough to get a job or drive…

[@Wizofmincraft]

@@tencelTechnologist 15 IS old enough to get a job and work on a permit actually..

[@mkayyy1918]

@@tencelTechnologist Dude u never heard of a work permit? Or a driver's permit? You can start practicing at 15 you just can't get your license until 16. Besides I meant being a teen in general.

[@yyyssss835]

Theres a lot of teenagers that are genuinely ignorant abt racism, in my country its quite disturbing how a lot of students say it on a daily basis without knowing what it really means, so i think its abt the lack of knowledge abt it and not how old u r

[@tencelTechnologist]

@@mkayyy1918 where I live you have to be 16 to work and 18 to drive

[@ccdaly2561]

Thanks, Kayla. I now know I'm officially too old for the internet. I thought Camilla Cabello was a model. I had no idea she was a singer. I didn't know she was in Fifth Harmony, even though I've heard them before.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Yes, PLEASE do a video on what constitutes an artist’s era!!! It’s definitely gotten TOO loose 😭

[@FirstClassEntertainment-um9ip]

I love your channel; your content is always informative and entertaining. I can tell you put a lot of work into these videos and in a crowded KZbin space like pop music breakdowns...you stand out. PLEASE keep up the good work and don't worry about any of the Camila apologists...

[@Alexardelean89]

That song that looks like a laundry commercial is really good. She has talent I also don’t follow celebrities that close so idk why people don’t like her.

[@m4cks165]

The 4th harmony comment had me dead💀💀💀

[@TopEye64]

5:59 this reminds me of the kpop group Le Sserafim. Seraphim have 6 wings which made sense when the group had 6 members. One of the members left/was kickes out due to false bullying accusations leaving 5 members...

[@victoriaelizabeth4844]

garam’s legacy will live on!

[@eimearc]

the accusations being false was only decided upon by international fans who spread fake information among themselves. there's a reason she's still cancelled in Korea where they understand the language and cultural context. there's also that photo of her making a P in V gesture that got her flak lol. i can't say i agree with her being kicked out over it, but international kpop fans need to stop taking twitter "sources" at face value and translate the korean posts for themselves

[@ineeduenthusiast]

​@@eimearc it was actually proven that the accusations were false, yall just wanted to cancel her so bad, you didn't give it a second thought. Garam deserved better

[@ellefantine]

Aw, not Little Mix being overlooked in the last section 💔 I think they've had enough impact to be considered a successful global phenomenon

[@TaL87654]

the main problem with her "new identity" (aside from it being inauthentic) is her absolutely stealing other artists aesthetic. her new rollout is basically wallmart charli xcx- the album art, mv, sound and even tiktoks.

[@Brandon210-q4n]

Well I suppose we can see the lawsuits coming in soon, right? Wait, none have been filed?

[@princesstelimena2887]

yes please do a video on what eras actually are!! it's so true that people just associate it with a new hairstyle now lol

[@craisins95]

Thank you for explaining the Fifth Harmony stuff. I never paid them much mind and am only finding individual members’ former music now. I had no clue they were on the US X Factor.

[@pyroclastic8924]

normani and lauren have some really good stuff. normani's putting out an album really soon and lauren has been quietly dropping poetry for the past few years. dinah and ally also have a few good / decent songs so far

[@malconsak]

Normani's debut album drops in a week from now- June 14th!! Make sure to check it out

[@malconsak]

​@@pyroclastic8924her album comes out next week!

[@vicariously143]

I'm waiting for my ropa vieja with red beans and yellow rice to get here. Shout out to Pepo's Cuban Cafe in St. Petersburg.

[@prettyrat.]

If you want a non cursed girl group go listen to Flo 💕💕 love them sm

[@peng7771]

I think part of this is that we're not in the era of the "manufactured pop star." a lot of the more popular artists write a lot of their own music and come off as more authentic with more personality. when everything seems like a marketing move to appeal to the masses, it seems like the opposite effect happens. I think she will continue to be famous and have hits here and there, but she might not ever have a die-hard fanbase like other artists.

[@melad3000]

For the era evolution video, U MUST include Rihanna and Mariah Carey

[@sanveliz3302]

I had a burger for dinner :+) great video!!!!

[@pigeondance]

love your videos!!! I'm eating spring rolls for dinner 💖

[@theoComely]

Kayla I’m sure you’ve heard this a billion times but I ALWAYS stay for the entire play through of your videos cos your outro is always the best

[@littlemisslizilon]

lmao I love that u asked the dinner question like y’all discussed on the pod 😂 I’m actually eating breakfast while I watch this lol, I’m having buttermilk biscuits with strawberry jam

[@laline_aaa]

that sounds so delicious 😩🤍✨️

[@GroovyRoo]

My problem with Camila, is the lack of personality. Yes, she is a common girl doing mass produce pop but compared to her pears she is just don’t stand out. There’s nothing about Camila style in music or fashion that makes her unique in her craft. Most importantly for being a pop start you need to stand out from the rest by creating your own personal universe and aesthetic around you and your music. Something that sadly she has never been able to achieve successfully. Lady Gaga first era established her has a character of pop culture that we still talk about this day. Britney Spears was her baby voice and juxtaposition of childlike fashion with a sexy edge. Halsey was her distinctive blue locks with her pop synth rhythm with melancholic lyrics, Hayley Williams from Paramore her edgy pop punk sound with rebellious lyrics and crazy outside the box hair colours and the list goes on… Besides Habana and Señorita she is easily forgettable in the industry has an individual.

[@glencoconut]

I saw the tumblr thing and was like 'well that's really easy to fake how does anyone know that was her account' and then she actually came out and said it was hers and now I'm like... how did I not know about this sooner

[@melissadaisy]

I feel like if Camila stuck to Latin music and focused more on the latin-american music scene, she'd make it big. Her spanish songs were good.

[@mstankard1430]

came to this video a couple months later , I genuinely enjoyed c xoxo ! and thought camila and normani publicly supporting each other’s projects was beautiful to see ,

[@kianna270]

“I LUV IT” is so bad im sorry, i hope there’s something else good on the album

[@userr86437]

There’s been so many videos on this it’s TIRED at this point

[@kherise]

I don’t know what’s about her, but she annoys me beyond words and my intuition usually doesn’t fail. She always seems so f arrogant and full of herself😏 Thank you for this video

[@derpleyew]

You missed a whole bunch of stuff out that is so integral to her reputation, like the copy paste plagiarism which she has been guilty of numerous times. She literally stole an album art concept from Pang by Caroline Polachek, and it wasn’t just one aspect of the art style…the album booklet layout, the typeface for the track listing and lyrics, and the overall theming and design for the album along with one of its singles.

[@talonthehand]

Did some biscuits and gravy for dinner. No regrets.

[@FAB13]

Ooooh that sounds so good!

[@coolandgood0062]

Nobody is afraid of her, she is just trying way too hard that it puts people off. Like girl, pick a side, focus.