Who Was Every Dax?

[@bipolarminddroppings]

We can all be very thankful for Terry requesting a redesign of the Trill, the spots are much better than the original forehead...

[@jime6688]

I’d heard that the problem was the original mold from TNG shattered and THAT’S why they changed the design,

[@RedS0n]

Terry Farrell is on the current season of The Delta Flyers, as they are rewatching DS9 now, and she has spoken about the change in make up. From her point of view, when the producers saw her in the original trill rubber prosthetics, they told make up to redesign it, as it was pointless getting a model to play the part, but cover her face in prosthetics.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@jime6688there’s a test shot with her in the original design, although much like with B’Elanna it was fairly minimised compared to Odan’s forehead

[@hudsonball4702]

Well the Forehead Trills are considered canon, but a separate race of Trill.

[@jamesmarshall1967]

A documentry claimed it was rick berman who insisted on the make up change as he wanted to show Terry’s beauty

[@xSARGEx117x]

12:50 "Tragedy would strike, in the form of Rick FUCKING BERMAN"

[@OtakuboyT]

1000%

[@JC_Chappy]

10000%

[@warwolf88]

amen brother😊

[@Martyn2021]

Dax both Jadzia and Ezri gave a lot of people a better understanding of the world around them. Both Nicole and Terry are one of the best things (one of many things) in DS9

[@adamflux2]

Honestly I think Ezri handled Joran better than any prior host. He was overwhelming for Jadzia and completely dissociated for Curzon, but Ezri found a way to bend those urges and experiences into something useful and put them down again when she was finished. Field of Fire is really the best Ezri episode imo.

[@andscifi]

I've always kind of wondered what it's like to be the first host for a symbiote. .Most of how they describe it is having memories and experiences of other people given to you. But the first host wouldn't have that and it's not really clear to me how much the symbiote itself really impacts the person compared to the previous hosts.

[@phrophetsamgames]

It must be crazy to think that you will be able to influence dozens of hosts later on down the line. Additionally, there is still a personality change because the symbiote itself is still a sentient being with its own personality.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@phrophetsamgamesyeah you probably still stood to gain knowledge and skills, albeit perhaps of a different variety, from life in the pools.

[@lunatickgeo]

I remember getting a bookmark with Jadzia Dax explaining who she is and what the Trill are, and I was absolutely fascinated by the concept. That a person could be a young but also have several lifetimes of knowledge and experience at the same time. Dax quickly became my favorite Star Trek character before I ever saw an episode of DS9.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Terry Farrell did a fantastic job as Jadzia. Considering it was her first part, she owned it. Charming, smart, self confident, badass and gorgeous. I had a huge crush on her

[@TheAtkey]

Me too

[@RealWorldGames]

Who didnt?

[@Chace957]

Agree, but it wasn’t her first part. She’d been in movies and tv prior. Her first BIG part tho

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Chace957that “first gig” line is one of the more pernicious effects of Berman and co’s attempts to downplay her chances tbh. It’s true it was her big break, but they’d keep telling her she had no acting gigs before them and as you say that’s just not true

[@joshuahillerup4290]

I think of who is Dex themselves to be like asking who the Doctor is themselves. The whole process is very different, but asking about the core personality of the trill symbiont to be very similar to asking what's the core personality of a Time Lord.

[@vic5015]

Very true. It was even stated that each host-symbiont combo is their own unique individual.

[@xSARGEx117x]

5:24 man, I really hate when newer shows/books/whatever media tries to shoe horn a storyline to somehow intertwine with already established stories. I'm sorry but what are the odds that Dax somehow has met EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE ALREADY KNOW? Statistically so close to 0 as to be indistinguishable.

[@barrybend7189]

Or someone on Vulkan really trusts dax enough to play babysitter at least in the early Starfleet and Federation.

[@disky01]

I just posted a similar comment, glad someone agrees. It's very frustrating, but considering how much Star Trek has been leaning into nostalgia these days I can't say I'm surprised.

[@amphilochusofmallus5070]

​@@disky01these days? You realize most of the decisions that made Dax's stories are like 30 years old right? You heard Rick say the canon ends when DS9 ends. DS9 ended... Lemme look it up... May 31, 1999. So, nearly 25 years old.

[@amphilochusofmallus5070]

And maybe change your thinking. The people from the old shows were exceptional people on the flagship of the Federation. And Trill only join the most qualified individuals, so it's kinda not that surprising. A being with hundreds and hundreds of years of experience would likely fill a lot of top positions in the galaxy at large, making it significantly more probable than you're initially suggesting, since both the flagship and the best minds of the Federation would stand a chance to be at some of these big events at the same time

[@disky01]

@@amphilochusofmallus5070 Justify it for yourself however you like. In an entire galaxy full of people and possibilities, the chances that a person, even multiple people living hundreds of years with a shared symbiont, interacting with so many of the established characters in the canon is ridiculous. It treats these people as if they're the only ones who exist in the galaxy. There have to be millions, billions of important people for these characters to interact with. The *only* reason Dax encounters the ones we know is *because* we've heard of them.

[@DrankenDune]

I like Ezri. I just like Jadzia more, it’s a shame the way she had to be killed off. The audience was going through similar feelings as the characters I think. While still the beloved Dax, it was a new character.

[@vincenthickey8622]

Excellent recap of symbiote Dad story and timeline. It was very enjoyable. It highlights what makes a Dax's a Dax.

[@marvelboy74]

I've seen online people questioning why Jadzia was pilot of the Defiant when she was a Science Officer. People just didn't pay attention.

[@GSBarlev]

Say what you will about _Star Trek: Discovery,_ but it took *mad restraint* from the writing team to introduce a _new_ long-lived symbiont in Tal rather than bring back Dax.

[@AzraelThanatos]

Can't remember the specifics of the timeline with regard to the Enterprise-J, but that might be part of it there since they couldn't really play around there with that setup. There is also the rights/residuals thing that would come out of it, being one of the reasons why they went with creating Tom Paris for Voyager rather than Locarno (There were a few reasons, but one of the things was the budget, because every episode with him in it would require a payment to the writer who created Locarno). Others being his attitude and more, but one of them was the required payments and addition to the credits.

[@SpaceGhost1701]

Since the people currently running Star Trek clearly hate DS9 it's no suprise they didn't bring back Dax. They never even mention characters from DS9. Section 31 is the only thing from DS9 that they seem to care about.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@SpaceGhost1701eh? Besides bringing the Trill back, showing us the symbiont pools with a modern budget, Discovery also had a changeling (before Picard S3 made a big deal about bringing them back). And not just any old changeling, a changeling with a nervous tic that affects how well they can take forms. Almost everything about the Orion Syndicate/Emerald Chain’s operations come from DS9 as well. And that’s just Discovery, SNW and especially Lower Decks have gone even further.

[@BrowncoatInABox]

I love the idea Dax being one of the oldest, but its personality = going down im a blaze of glory also huh never been this early

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

I kinda hope the canon will only ever acknowledge a fraction of Dax' accomplishments in apocrypha. It just feels like _way too much_ for me. They've been depicted in so many pivotal roles throughout their history that it feels too special to be real. Like being the one to establish first contact against the wishes of the Trill as a whole, but despite this unruliness somehow ascending to what's basically the most influential position in their culture. Also helping Earth build their first big warp engines, being part of Section 31, guiding the Vulcan culture, more or less singlehandedly creating the Khitomer Accords, and being friends with half the recurring characters... Jadzia feels much more real compared to any of those feats. She knows a good few people from Dax' past, takes part in and shapes important events - but she wasn't the pivotal person in all of it. Their previous incarnations could benefit from being a bit more "mundane" like that. Think instead of actively playing a role in the development of Warp 5 & 7, one of the earlier hosts may have learned from Starfleet engineers and during their time there managed to somewhat help out by applying the Trill's understanding of subspace mechanics.

[@barrybend7189]

Makes me think the Symbiotes are a mix of Mindflayer and Abolith.

[@patrickmurray3846]

growing up, i keeped forgeting Dax was the name of the worm inside Jadzia, not the name of the charater.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

You're kind of right. The Trill we see was a composite organism. There was Jadzia the host, and Dax the symbiant. As a joined Trill, the two work as one, and it is hard to distinguish where one character ends and the other begins.

[@EmceePinks]

Love this video! Kinda wish the timeline visuals were a little simpler to visualize, but the audio is perfection

[@princekagato]

Love those spots

[@FoolAndHisMoney_Channel]

Love how far down they go. Rawr. 😉

[@KoryPitre]

All the way

[@odenwalt]

You forgot Yedrin Dax, from the Children of Time episode...

[@safebox36]

Really weird how the existence of symbiotes was a state secret for so long. Even with Vulvan Pon Farr, the details are kept secret from Federation scientists on the grounds of cultural respect. But just the existence of symbiotes seems like something that shouldn't be as big a secret so much as how the whole process works.

[@TheAtkey]

Dax was born in 2018. Intersting the it is already 6 years old.

[@shishsquared]

Dax is Gen Alpha

[@DSchultz95]

I’ve always wondered something about the Star Trek Olympics. Are various species allowed to compete with one another? Let’s not get political here, but it seems unfair to have Vulcans or Klingons competing against Humans and Trill.

[@stephenocalla3708]

I assume they're subdivided similar to something like weight class. The average human can lift this much which is the same as bajoran or trill so they're in a catagory together. Klingons and Vulcans get stuck together, ect ect.

[@acarrillo8277]

@@stephenocalla3708 I'd also throw in an average muscle output per unit of weight qualifier as well.

[@TheAtkey]

@@acarrillo8277 Do Vulcans weigh more than Humans? Do they have greater muscle and bone density or do their muscles work better somehow?

[@thetruth45678]

No, now get in the ring with the scary Klingon brute!

[@stevenscott2136]

But I identify as a Klingon, so you have to let me in their class! And it's racist that you don't let me win! Just give me a F**KING BAT'LETH TROPHY!! I want to speak to your manager!!!

[@ATREIDESDUNCAN88]

A whole series of symbiotes and trill would be awesome.

[@anlumo1]

Kinda annoyed by how much crossovers with known characters they retconned into the lore. It's like Dax was in all Star Trek series just offscreen all the time.

[@scottburns2671]

Isn’t a Dax meant to captain the Enterprise J? Non canon obviously, but would be fitting I think!

[@AzraelThanatos]

Yep, not much information other than the name and a few general announcements to the Ship during the battle of Procyon both in Enterprise and in STO

[@feralprocessor9853]

Lol that smug looking Denoblian smile.

[@djgamma6003]

We need a video on the "koala." why does he look so smug? what does he know!?

[@the_travelingbreeze]

I loved reading about Tobin Dax in the ENT books

[@SuperLuigiSixty4]

I was literally watching a Personnel File when the notification dropped.

[@jujub5557]

I want to see an ultra prequel in the proto stages of trill society focused on how the cave era trill villages learned to connect with the symbionts for the first times and how that changes how they live

[@thetruth45678]

Yaaaay!! Content!!

[@ZalrokChaos1]

There's a cool plot somewhere with a war between the Trill and a species hunting them to extinction.

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

*Death by Jamaharon* is the new *death by Snu-Snu.*

[@thetruth45678]

The other way around. DS9 was way before Futurama.

[@mickeyholding7970]

Unorthodox is the perfect word to explain the Dax symbiant.

[@thetruth45678]

Oprah: "And you get a Dax encounter! And _you_ get a Dax encounter! Everyone gets a Dax encounter!" Fanbois: 😊 Oprah: *"NOT YOU!"* Fanbois: 😢

[@warwolf88]

the dax symbiote line came to an end when ezri was killed in battle in the coda series of books

[@ATREIDESDUNCAN88]

The book the loves of Dax os an awesome book on every person Dax was apart of.

[@the5th2000]

I mean the stories are fun, but the Star Trek "small universe" syndrome is real lol

[@feralprocessor9853]

Pretty interesting lifeforms.

[@DeaconBlu]

Fascinating…

[@Lela_Dax]

❤️💛💚 thank you, info on me is a lil hard to find lol

[@thelordofcringe]

The greatest failing of writing the Trill is that they arent really blended/joined. Because we dont really see anything thats actually Dax. The symbiote functions in the writing as if its just a container for memories of other trill, without a personality or impact of its own. Its very strange.

[@jriver226]

Dax the Forrest Gump of Star Trek.

[@Lela_Dax]

I'm part of a small group of people who actually have tattooed trill spots. I know of around 7 others. Trill4Life

[@jackieanderson9408]

Good 😊

[@ViroVV]

I have been researching this as of late. Your numbers presented in the video do not line up. Namely where you say Emony and Torias both lived til 2284, But I definitely understand cause the info is sketchy. This is still better than I was able to find confirmations of. And that point being that even though we love her and we got to see how spectacular of a life she lived trying to establish that Jadzia is tragically among the shortest to host Dax at only 8 years, whereas most hosts hold it eat least 20-40, with the two to three obvious exceptions.

[@shanenolan5625]

Curzon was on the uss Livingston with sisko , i assume some extened diplomatic mission

[@mollofamerika]

I've had a theory that the Dax symbiote (not jadzia) helps guide Siskos actions in Pale Moonlight - watch that episode again, and listen to Jadzias conversations with Sisko

[@dragonweyr44]

The thing that I don't understand about Dax is that a host can't have relationships with a former host's relationships. Does this just count for romantic relationships or friendships Because Dax had a friendship with Ben Sisko through three hosts and a romantic relationship with not only the Khan symbiote, but a temporary one with Worf as Ezri Also how was is that the Oden symbiote couldn't bond with a human (Will Riker), but the Tal symbiote could bond with a human Adira in Star Trek Discovery

[@zeusdemi6858]

it's definitely supposed to apply to romantic relationships, which is why Jadzia got in trouble for that thing with Khan, I feel like when we were originally introduced to the Trill they also discouraged friendships with people the prior host knew but my guess would be that restriction got dropped by the era of DS9. I don't have an answer for the Discovery bit, maybe they have some kind of medicine, immune system blocker thing by the 3170's that lets symbiotes join with other species?

[@dragonweyr44]

@@zeusdemi6858 According to Discovery, the human Adira was able to bond with Tal was because Tal accepted Adira as a host and it somehow worked, despite the diffences between human and Trill physiology whereas Odan didn't accept Riker

[@zeusdemi6858]

@@dragonweyr44 so it's more of a 'cause we said so' from the writers that equates to at best the symboites preference in universe

[@dragonweyr44]

@@zeusdemi6858 I don't know Odan, the host, that is, not the worm, looked physically different from Jadzia or Tal's former Trill host, Grey This may have something to do with it but I'm just spitballing a theory here

[@GSBarlev]

​@@dragonweyr44six centuries, not just of scientific advancement, but also interspecies relationships. Adira may have been 1/64th Trill, or, once the whole symbiont thing was no longer a secret, Federation doctors developed really good immunosuppressants. Or Tal had a genetic mutation that allowed for better compatibility! Or _most humans_ could *always* have joined with a Trill, just not Riker!

[@disky01]

I wish the writers hadn't given Dax so many interactions with famous Star Trek characters. It all feels very memberberry to me, and Star Trek in general feels like it has become more about nostalgia than anything else. Dax could have had a great story of their own but the writers chose to latch on to others instead.

[@populuxe1]

It utterly creeps me out how disposable the hosts are

[@Interitus1]

I utterly hate how they shoehorn Dax into meeting just every single major person they can.

[@peterbruhn1970]

Hello Rick, Since Discovery Season 5, Adira Tal said that the symbiotes can live for 800 years and at the end of their lives they leave their host bodies to die alone? Or did I misunderstand something? How do they reproduce, do they lay eggs or are they born alive? Too little is known about the Trill symbiotes

[@tokemeout]

You forgot that curzon fell in love with jadzia

[@TrentonBennett]

I was not happy when Terry Ferrell left the show DS9. The gal who took over as Ezri Dax was ok but she was no Terry and I honestly didn't like Ezri as much as Jadzia. So naturally I was pissed when they killed off her character. I liked this video though.

[@FoolAndHisMoney_Channel]

Ezri makes me feel all fizzy inside. 🥰

[@thetruth45678]

I always found guys who are attracted to women who look like little boys to be sus af.

[@robertfarr9186]

It would be nice for once to have a backstory of a new(er) character that didn’t have to touch on or have some interaction with previous main characters for other series. Fan service can only go so far.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

I liked Tobin's inclusion, but Emony being involved seemed a little too far fetched. As it is, 6 of the hosts were either involved with Starfleet at some point if not working for it.

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

Speaking of tenuous connections, the funniest joke on the show Becker was that any right-thinking person would choose Chris over Reggie.

[@SgtReuster]

You should go into what they found on the comet…

[@TheClintonio]

Star Trek definitely has a "small universe" problem if Dax somehow met so many named characters. That or Star Trek has a serious class issue where everyone successful/elite knows everyone else with a similar status.

[@grahamturner1290]

🖖

[@Persian-Immortal]

Ezri and Worf did have 1 yum yum night on the planet they crashed on.

[@christopherg2347]

14:05 No mention of he restarting her relationship with Worf for a time?

[@chrisbingley]

You seem to have glossed over that one time that Riker was a host to Dax. Unless there's another Trill symbiote called Dax.

[@Chace957]

That wasn’t called Dax. It was called Odan

[@sulljoh1]

How far do the spots go down?

[@toriasdax2166]

Well guess Im not going on any shuttles… Transporters only.

[@violetlight1548]

I wonder what Trill would think of the Yeerks from Animorphs?

[@shmee123ful]

you know i got to wonder about the trill and the realtionship with the simboits. have they always between aware of each other did one discover the other and go , oh werid wurm thing i got to stick that in my tumb tumb

[@avatarguypsn]

Hey could you please do an episode on the Zalkonian’s from TNG season 3 episode 25?

[@peterdanior4538]

Who was the first Dax to be “outed” as a symbiote? Was it Curzon or Jadzia?

[@spiderweenie]

I wonder if the Trill symbiont is compatible with Jaffa philology?

[@stevenscott2136]

Probably the same species in an alternate universe where their history happened a little differently. Maybe something as small as whether the Ancients / Preservers decided to stop in or not, a million years ago.

[@Ketchup_And_Rice]

Dax is a Klingon in a symbiote body...in a body....in a body....in a body

[@Chieffino]

You and me both Brother

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

Feel pretty bad for the actress (ive seen ds9 literally more times than i can count and i can't even think of her Dax name) who followed Jadzia. Replacing a beloved character at the tail end of an epic series given absolutely no chance to grow with and ingratiate herself to the fans regardless of her abilities as an actress. Always just going to be that discount Dax.

[@maybetoby]

Unpopular opinion: I got so sick of hearing every damn species fangirl over the "great Curzon Dax." Made me eyeroll every damn time.

[@benbrown8258]

...feels a bit insular inbred somehow... mainly only really socializing in the Federation and its homeworld. It knows only one group or thread of people. The Changelings seemed to explore the universe more thoroughly though I disagree with their 'worldview'

[@Marcus51090]

It’s a Gould lol

[@daveroe4961]

Curzon suffered death by Snu-snu?

[@jaredcolon4535]

Do Worf

[@AC20sAkimbo]

Why where they Called NX if they where being built as a class? I thought that was wan experimental one off designation.

[@-JA-]

👍🙂

[@CaptainUnusual]

Being the first host must feel like a bit of a jip. Sure, you get to merge with the symbiot, but no memories, knowledge, or skill to be had.

[@roystonsbailey]

unfortunately these interesting species was never defined or explored well enough, nor did the writers make any great use of the allegorical aspects of these species.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

By far my least favorite ds9 characters the trill just give me the the creeps

[@ThisIsMeAndNotYou]

115

[@SpaceGhost1701]

Jadzia's marriage to Worf was wiped from canon by season 3 of Picard.

[@Chace957]

Um….i don’t remember that. How was it wiped from canon?

[@mpixel2058]

Jadzia Dax is my least favorite star trek character (pre 2016). Ezri was cool, but Jadzia was insufferable

[@metairie33]

1st

[@DSchultz95]

2nd

[@SilvaDork36]

first!

[@jamesmarshall1967]

Your continues mispronouncing Joran’s name is annoying. Rewatch and learn how its said

[@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc]

I clicked this video because I wanted to know who Avery Dax was. Disappointed and unsubscribed.

[@Chace957]

Troll…. 😑

[@shaindaman13]

This show was just awful. And what a dumb concept for an Alien. A perfectly intelligent being except controlled by a friendly parasite. Yeah. Make a so much sense.

[@amphilochusofmallus5070]

Yes it does, actually. Look! I, too can just make statements! You're absolutely wrong and have literally no proof at all that there's anything wrong with the concept. In fact, there's plenty of species who live symbiotically with other species ON THIS PLANET! While the example of it in DS9 is extreme, there's absolutely no reason why this might not be possible, at all.

[@amphilochusofmallus5070]

Also, you're deciding to call it a parasite which is a fundamentally different thing than symbiosis, which is what the show describes. Not that you care, you're just mad and really, really want to be sure everyone knows you don't like it

[@LokiOdinson-fz8ps]

@@amphilochusofmallus5070 just like you are.

[@deadturret4049]

And yet it worked totally fine for Stargate with the Goau'ld and more friendly offshoot, the Tok'ra

[@Chace957]

And yet you bothered to write a response, COMPLETELY misunderstanding the character. Troll.

[@yodaslovetoy]

First there was dax, then dax, then dax, then dax, dax and dax....

[@thesaturdaytechchannelwith553]

You nearly forgot to mention about Dax, Dax and that other Dax that isn't mentioned much

[@depreseo]

No no no no. That Dax is beta canon. However you did forget about Dax, and the possible mention of Dax.

[@the_travelingbreeze]

And God said “Let there be Dax.”