Tesla FSD 13.2 vs Waymo!

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I had Tesla FSD 13.2 and Waymo do the same drive, starting from the same point and ending at the same point. Both completed the drive with zero interventions, but Tesla had fewer awkward moments and got to the destination in 15 minutes and 40 seconds while the Waymo took 43 minutes - nearly 3 times as long.
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[@flourishingweee]

I think their catch line should be "You'll pay Waymo and it'll take you Waymo time"

[@BigBoneESB]

:) Well damn if Tesla plays that card on wide advertisement ppl. will never think of anything else when they hear Waymo.

[@Super-og1ph]

Exactly and it will cost Tesla less money to run robotaxis because their cars are more aerodynamics, lighter, don't use expensive lidar and has more efficient path planners.

[@zarroth]

@@Super-og1ph there should not be unpiloted ANYTHING on the roads. I'm betting after the first accident involving these things they will absolutely start passing laws to that effect. They should just do it now before people get hurt.

[@flourishingweee]

@@zarroth Comparing the number of deaths by km to standard human driving should give a pretty strong argument for FSD in fact. We already know it will be more secure, but how much more secure is the question.

[@chief523]

Waymo money, Waymo time!

[@nathanholmes-king3827]

In case you're wondering, the rides start at 1430 S Fairfax Ave, Los Angeles (in Mid City), and end at 1337 Ocean Ave, Santa Monica. The Tesla takes I-10, but since Waymo isn't allowed to drive on freeways, it has to take city streets (which for a human driver still takes at least twice as long). And Waymo has been testing on freeways since at least January 2024, but getting regulatory approval is so much harder. If I were doing this, then I would have taken Waymo to La Cienega/Jefferson station, from which the E Line goes directly to Downtown Santa Monica.

[@rainerlubke3766]

Tesla is not allowed to drive without driver so I do not understand teh whole thing here compare Tomatos with Apples ?

[@tonydebreceni8966]

Would it be better to show the kilometers or miles instead of the time? Because I can't figure out how far apart they are.

[@timzalusky]

Maybe in the future it would be super cool to show miles, percentage complete, speed, in addition to elapsed time

Or how close the drop offs are , just looking at the last two images its difficult to know as an outsider

[@Zripas]

Or just show actual city map with both cars marked where they are at that moment, would give better idea of their route planner and how far from destination they are and so on

[@SageArbor]

You could maybe do this easily by taking both the maps having them the same size , at 70% transparency, completely overlapping each other in a bottom corner m@@Zripas

[@Zripas]

@@SageArbor Don't think there would be easy way to make this automated, looks more like that would require manual adjustment by video creator, which would be tedious.

[@selbyjohnson5986]

I took 5 trips in a Waymo in Los Angeles and was pretty impressed. It did get stuck for awhile once when cars were turning and blocking the road. Other drivers were going around. Eventually the Waymo figured it out on it’s own.

[@BongoWongoOG]

It will likely have had remote assistance from a human

[@dyldog]

If it was stuck for a while it was probably assisted remotely, it currently cannot make decisions like that

[@selbyjohnson5986]

@@BongoWongoOG yeah maybe someone took over but there was no sign of that and I never hit the help button. I thought about it but I wanted to see if it would figure it out.

[@GodzUnit01]

@@selbyjohnson5986the car doesn’t give any indication that a human has connected to it and is clicking some arrows on a computer screen to tell it what to do in difficult situations. Tesla is decades ahead of Waymo. Won’t be long before Waymo’s operations in San Francisco are like that of Cruise.

[@pbm___000]

I have this problem with Tesla FSD in LA on a daily basis

[@DouglasJMark]

Tesla FSD 13.2 is awesome. Any bet autonomy is solved before wonky wipers are?

[@zachmoir]

FR lol, mine randomly kicked on today even though they're set to OFF. 😆

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

lol

[@awyatt61]

😂

[@arpysystems]

To be fair, wipers turned quite okay some time this summer for me. maybe not perfect, but it also wasn't perfect in my previous vehicle (which ought to be some "premium sedan") either. So, I guess it's already settled, wipers won the race. ;-)

[@joeyjia5553]

Try and see Huawei ADS3.0 auto drive system, performance is better.

[@MandrakeDCR]

I don't know if there has been an update in the last couple of months or not, but one thing that didn't show up very well in the video if you aren't watching for it - the Waymo we took in October was VERY "herky-jerky". I don't get car sick, but it even had me a little queasy by the end of the trip, and my wife was absolutely green doing deep breathing not to spew all over the sidewalk. We just thought it would be cool to try it out since we had heard about them and were in Phoenix. My neighbor has a Model S with FSD. I haven't tried out the new v13 that came out, but I've really enjoyed trying all the bells and whistles out as they happen when he offers. It was 12.something a few weeks ago last time we used it. A little slow on takeoff at times, stops could be a little abrupt, but the overall drive was SOOOOooo much better. If 13 is as much better over 12 as they say, I can't imagine how good it is. Tesla is just nuts. Someday, when I don't have to drive 600+ miles a day for a job and meet a time crunch - I want one! :)

[@Wolfen13c]

It's written through a translator. I've watched a lot of waymo and FSD videos. I've heard many times that waymo's car starts too fast. And fsd on the contrary is too smooth. They say the 13th version of fsd is incredibly smooth. The author I'm looking at said that fsd drives smoother than most uber drivers on version 12.5. And on version 13, you won't find a single uber driver that can drive as smoothly.

[@SreehariVariar]

Are you saying you are driving more than 200 miles a day for work?

[@MandrakeDCR]

@@SreehariVariar Yep. I am a field technician and I cover a 3 state region. I make it home most every night if at all possible. Most of my day is windshield time. Maybe 1 to 4 hours of actual onsite repairs (could go higher on a tough job), 6 to 8 hours of driving. I rarely am gone less than 12 hrs per day.

[@totallynotuselessfacts]

Just get one for the job u lose 30min a day charging and save 4x the money in gas assuming starting at 100% aka super convenient charging at home or if u rlly want free charging and need to shop or get a bite just charge freely while doing that granted it'll be 8hrs at least assuming 0-100 unrealistic but it's free

[@totallynotuselessfacts]

Also not driving so not so fatigued and in the future when it's legal so like end of 2025 just watch movies do other work or read books or something when it's driving

[@Thalassophile-ll3ll2kn2x]

Citizen journalism at work. You’d never get this from a @FoxBusiness or @CNBC journalist.

[@enoughofthis]

You mean CNBS

[@marcol869]

Fox business isn't bad , they just report on old news , CNBC is straight up lying sometime

[@Thalassophile-ll3ll2kn2x]

@@enoughofthis CNBS? Not sure I get it

[@Urufu-san]

@@Thalassophile-ll3ll2kn2xThere is a BS in CNBS… 😜

[@Urufu-san]

I would say an enthusiast. No average journalist can keep up with an enthusiast who has immersed in a topic. But it’s great that enthusiasts show us these things

[@lucalla]

bUt WaYmO aLrEaDy HaS pAiD rIdEs! Imagine being dead but not knowing you're dead.

[@kobebryant5491]

They know they are cooked. We just don’t hear much because they are a private company 😂

[@markplott4820]

Whole Mars has been Doing PAID uber rides using FSD for a long time now.

[@martindbp]

Repeat after me: TESLA HAS NO SELF DRIVING TECHNOLOGY. FRAUD. DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT ON PUBLIC ROADS. MERCEDES IS L3, MUCH BETTER THAN TESLA L2.

[@dankmemernoob4589]

uber is cheaper and faster than waymo. isn't the point of autonomy that it's cheaper and more efficient than humans?

[@catchbay]

Could you make a video where cars leave the same parking lot at the same time and head for the same place? Maybe your Tesla would only start moving when the other car is already moving.

[@Zripas]

As you can see from this video, Tesla picked different exit straight away, so having them leaving at same time would have had no actual impact as both went completely different routes, you can see it at 0:11 where Tesla went left while Waymo was going right. This is mainly due to the fact that Waymo can't go on highways, so any longer routes will always be in favor of FSD by default as it can skip big chunk of traffic lights. I could only think of single option here, do a trip with Waymo, then go back to starting point and enter same route with FSD by constantly adjusting pins to force FSD to do same exact route as Waymo did

[@nnamdiazuakola5254]

@@Zripasthe fact that you have to jump through all those hoops to get make it fair already shows that FSD is way better. In drug study if you place two cohorts on different drugs fro a particular illness and one cohort is already reaping benefits while the other is not, it will be malpractice to continue the cohort without benefit on the drug they are on.

[@nbkuzqv]

The two different starting points seems to be the difference maker here. Waymo being directed towards the busy exit seems to either force it to exit onto the busy road or turn around in the parking lot. I'm not saying that Waymo FSD is superior to Tesla... But it wouldn't kill anyone to have a fair comparison from the start.

[@Zripas]

@@nnamdiazuakola5254 Well map planning will always be different between 2 cars, especially if one is allowed to go on highways and the other isn't. So yea, you will need to jump over the hoops to make it as fair as possible. In perfect world you could run tests like these in same exact conditions with same exact traffic at every single intersection, but that's not possible, so at best you could enforce one to take same route at more or less same time of the day. Waymo does its thing on its own without you being able to adjust route, so only option is to force FSD to take same path and observe differences there.

[@Lithane97]

@@nbkuzqv The Main issue is that Waymo can't use the freeway because it's not allowed to. It only took it about a minute to pull out at the start, nothing crazy.

[@notnotjake]

Got to ride Waymo in SF. It’s super good! Very reliable as far as hailing in the app and incredibly comfortable and safe. Truly incredible and deserves more respect and attention honestly.

[@slowercuber7767]

nice. what was the fare for the Waymo Ride? How many miles?

[@olyalphy]

At 8:15, do you think the Tesla would have moved through that gap? The Waymo didn't and resulted in a few honks then a car filling that gap when the light turned green.

[@ProXcaliber]

I don't know about this version (v13.2) which is still in testing, but at least in my version (v12.5.6.3) it definitely would have filled that gap. I've noticed that Tesla will squeeze gaps that are really tight without issue, sometimes even going as far as folding the mirrors automatically to squeeze through.

[@Wolfen13c]

According to the many fsd videos I've seen. Tesla is trying to squeeze into tighter spaces by folding the mirrors.

[@varietyegg]

Yes that's true i have seen videos of that too ​@@Wolfen13c

[@catbert7]

I am certain it would.

[@AdrianAzian]

​@@Wolfen13c That’s incredible

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Are Waymo engineers, aware of the fact that as soon as Tesla starts up the Robo taxi service, Waymo is instantly finished?

[@CasperChicago]

Tesla is a great company, but their automated driving system is equivalent to or as good as it's competitors. BYD is on Tesla's heels.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@CasperChicago lol. No they are not. Do you know that data is the most important thing for machine learning AI? Do you know how far ahead Tesla is in real world data compared to anyone else? Do you know how important compute power is for both training in their data centers and in the vehicles themselves? Do you know how far ahead Tesla is in both infrastructure and their AI chips which their cars use? A copycat can't surpass the original when the original keeps innovating and implementing changes faster than them.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@Wiruebehs maybe try to understand the complexity of the problem first. Also, no one said they would had it 10 years ago, at most 3-4 years ago. And it is a fact that Tesla is years ahead of the "competition" (which does not even have a truly scalable plan for the real world), and they will be the first that will achieve Level 5.

[@SteveMA1000]

@@Wiruebehs supposed to....not excited

[@forgeratorkhan907]

If Tesla gets approval for Robo taxi then so will Waymo, but with that said I would still prefer a tesla over any waymo based vehicle. Tesla is the complete package.

[@zhen-jielin6119]

1. Are those destinations the same? (The taking time gap b/t waymo and tesla is too large..... TSLA: 15:40, waymo: 42:50. I wonder if it is true and fair? I want it be true.) 2. Waymo can't be used on the highway?

[@SyntheticSpy]

Same destination. Waymo just can't run on the highway yet, and can only drive on pre mapped routes

[@ProXcaliber]

Waymo cannot drive on highways, and can only drive on pre-mapped routes, so it is significantly slower in most cases than taking even a regular taxi or Uber. Tesla is definitely ahead here, especially when it comes to smoothness and confidence.

[@jamessmith-yk3sc]

If you look At the red awnings you realize the Tesla came down one street and the Waymo came up the cross street at the same intersection .they ended up a few hundred feet apart.

[@FalsePoco]

I checked the route. It was accurate, but not fair. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZe7aX-rbrJ7l5I&lc=UgxTiib-HIuYzVNc0Dl4AaABAg www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1KUeznDA72Stdc08CRTPenv-p2bIEzyw&ll=34.035153285345814%2C-118.43239025&z=14

[@rortlieb]

Holy moly. Incredible comparison video.

[@locpham707]

Great example. Amazing comparison. Thank You

[@joeyjia5553]

But I think Huawei ADS 3.0 is a better auto drive system.

[@catbert7]

@@joeyjia5553 You think wrong.

[@Kicken74]

Lmao the windshield wiper randomly turning on is equivalent to the smoke detectors in other people's videos... 💁🏿

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

if it is going to phantom wipe, they should force it to spray some water at the same time. Do something useful and clean the windscreen a bit. it will even make it look more intelligent

[@ProXcaliber]

HAHA! Thanks for the chuckle! Mine does the random wipe sometimes when a car is crossing in front of me.

[@ChipMIK]

A passing cloud is usually enough here for that, yet another POS cheapest possible solution from Elons side with no 1 US$ rainsensor.

[@JaZoN_XD]

omg the waymo had the indicator on for like the first 2 mins of the video 😂

[@memermemer6103]

3:37 - The Waymo massively overreacting by stopping in the lane there lol.

[@Dominic416_]

Driving is a skill issue not a sensor issue

[@drewhjava]

I kind of like the passive aggressiveness of the waymo. It has no feelings and can't be embarrassed. Just chilled right there until car got out of the way lol.

[@BigBoneESB]

Here lies FSD's neural network advantage: the car is standing still at the edge of the curb so FSD correctly predicts it's intention not to move (while ready to react if it does), whereas Waymo only sees the road object's potentially dangerous position and prepares for the worst, so it slows down. This is exactly why Tesla has already won. It drives like the best of us.

[@pc_screen5478]

I feel like Waymo cars being so distinct helps them get into less trouble bc people can recognize them from a distance and try their best to not get in the way or "spook" them like one would do with a learner driver

[@communityband1]

@@BigBoneESB You're seeing the wrong difference. Both companies are using AI for determining likely behavior, and both are likely reaching the same conclusion in situations like this. The difference is that FSD is programmed to take chances and rely on a human to intervene if it makes a mistake. You can go all the way back to the beginning of the FSD program to watch this. FSD has been allowed to make mistakes so that it can provide a more normal feeling experience overall. The route planning is a huge part of this, too. It's a fundamentally different development challenge. And we should not guess that FSD will behave the same way it does now when it operates without a human in the driver seat. All will be different, from the routes it takes to its assertiveness. The game changes when you truly can't make a critical mistake.

[@gianpaj]

There should be a map visualisation as they took very different routes, right?? I don't know if Waymo took longer on the same routes or a different destination. Unfortunately, even at the beginning, it looks like both cars leave the parking lot from other roads. I don't know how specific you can choose about the route on any of those vehicles, but I don't think it's an apples-to-apples comparison. Good idea to do it didn't seem fair to me

[@koenigderbloecke9112]

Waymo is not allowed to drive on highways. So that's the main reason why the tesla is so much faster.

[@FalsePoco]

I checked the route. It was accurate, but it's not fair. This test is meaningless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZe7aX-rbrJ7l5I&lc=UgxTiib-HIuYzVNc0Dl4AaABAg www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1KUeznDA72Stdc08CRTPenv-p2bIEzyw&ll=34.035153285345814%2C-118.43239025&z=14

[@Zripas]

@@FalsePoco Well Whole Mars Catalog is clearly trying to put FSD into best light possible and this test on its core is meaningless even if it shows that having access to highway can save you crap ton of time. It looks like Whole Mars Catalog intentionally picked 2 points (start-end) near highway, which is extremely disappointing as anyone with a brain can understand that using highway will be way faster than going across entire city.

[@Reudiga]

Holy shit... Its looking, Waymo is just following the route, without any information about the traffic... or did was it the time? Waymo drive, when there where a lot of people and Tesla, when everyone was at home? Please more of that competitions

[@bigfish7926]

I applaud the arrival of WAYMO.

[@DanielSzewczyk1]

if you value your time, the choice is obvious.

[@craighermle7727]

What's the choice is one is commercially available and the other isn't?

[@enoughofthis]

And save money

[@enoughofthis]

​@craighermle7tm727 the one that isn't performed better, imagine when it becomes commercial, game over.

[@TheSpartan3669]

You can literally work, nap, or watch KZbin in the backseat of the Waymo. That's time much better spent than attentively monitoring FSD for necessary interventions.

[@newplayer1313]

​@@TheSpartan3669for now...

[@redcrumb]

Take a Waymo when u have Waymo time and we will charge you Waymo money

[@awyatt61]

😂😂😂

[@AdrianAzian]

Wish there was commentary with the video. So why didnt Waymo take the same route and/or destination as Tesla. Is it not supposed to be apples to apples? Please someone explain what I'm missing.

[@qqleq]

You know there will be Waymo engineers looking at FSD 13 video's and go... "Oh, shit."

[@qqleq]

btw I appreciate Waymo for all they've done and how they did it but this is a lost race. Code and mapping is not going to get you world wide autonomous cars.

[@rdkutube]

Nice comparison. I want 13.2 . . . .

[@desertrat1606]

I've never ridden in a FSD Tesla, BUT I've ridden in a Waymo 12 times. Two interventions out of 12 trips. 1) The Waymo got stuck in a coned off construction zone. 2) Waymo found itself going the wrong way to get to the destination. In both instances the driver in the sky had to take over and had to make an illegal maneuver to get going again. Also the Waymo is very jerky, very non-human feeling.

[@austinzizzi1142]

I just got stuck in a Waymo for the first time tonight 😂 terrible experience

[@ProXcaliber]

I am the exact opposite (mostly because I own a 2024 model 3). I drive with FSD every single day (v12.5.6.3), and it gets me everywhere without issue. The only times I've had to take over is usually when the navigation picks a route I don't really want to go. It feels very human most of the time, but there are instances where it can jerk the wheel (mostly at lower speeds) or come to a stop a bit too harshly. I'd absolutely love to try a Waymo ride to compare, but sadly they aren't available in the area that I live.

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@ProXcaliber According to everyone v13.2 is far better than any v12 build in every way. I can totally see this version going unsupervised, likely within 6 months. At this point Waymo is irrelevant.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@andrasbiro3007 I wouldn’t doubt that is the case, especially considering that it is now being geared towards hardware 4 more than being geared towards hardware 3 and then emulated to hardware 4.

[@communityband1]

There is no "driver in the sky" with Waymo. They have absolutely no functionality for remote driving. Waymos can call in to ask for advice, but there is never an occasion where a remote operator takes over. If takeover is absolutely necessary, they send a human to get in the car. Your comments about the jerkiness of the ride are also curious, considering the overwhelming consensus and video evidence is that the vehicles drive very smoothly most of the time. I could see having an unlucky trip, but with 12 trips, that summary becomes odd.

[@mvakleko]

Is there a way to estimate the energy usage between Waymo and Tesla for this trip?

[@CRPerformance1]

Waymo is not scalable and will never be profitable. But it's good that they paved the way for tesla. Thank you waymo!

[@charbelutube]

100%

[@jiaxu2202]

Isn't it funny to think FSD is more scalable before it could ever release its unsupervised version, while Waymo is already running the service and steadily expanding to other cities

[@CRPerformance1]

@jiaxu2202 yep. Premapped cities. If the landscape changes, the car doesn't know what to do. An Indian will take over remotely or someone local will have to come out and move the car. That's the best it will get. Not to mention Doubling the cost og the car with all those unnecessary sensors.

[@BigBlueFlame-000]

​@@CRPerformance1if those sensors are unnecessary then Tesla should have been in robotaxi buisness years ago, right?

[@CRPerformance1]

@violety_indigo52 no. They're using a learning model. It's getting more and more intelligent as time goes one with the same equipment and new software updates.

[@barilro]

Could this video be the nucleus for a Tesla ChatGPT moment?

[@jiaxu2202]

Nah.. we first need FSD to release its unsupervised version if it could ever lol

[@guru2899]

@@jiaxu2202 Yeah, unsupervised would need government approval....hmmmm....now who does Tesla know in the government who could be influential?....hmmmmm......I wonder who.

[@jiaxu2202]

​@@guru2899have u ever wondered why all other L4 companies can at least get the test permit under current regulations but not the FSD? Don't you need the thing on the table first before you ask regulator to approve it?

[@jiaxu2202]

​@@guru2899Btw you are implying FSD needs extra greenlight / backdoor from regulator to make it, which is quite hilarious since you guys on the other hand declaring FSD is more advanced than other L4 companies.

[@JeffMasingill-j7o]

This would be an amazing experiment if the cars had the same start and end location and start time.

[@102blue]

the Tesla coming to a perfect stop in the bike lane **chef's kiss**

[@keyurpatel8941]

how well does waymo handle detour, construction and dynamic road conditions?

[@catnadas]

Well, that's that. Race is over, pun intended.😁

[@mirankim3124]

Where is start-point and destination?

[@jasonpanosh9579]

I think you need to have the route map at the start. Not knowing the area, I can't tell if they started from the same place or if they finished at the same place. FUDsters will just say the Tesla didn't go to the same place, and because it takes the freeway that's hard to refute. Otherwise, damn that is 3x as much time to get there using the Waymo. Things are going to be getting very interesting in the robotaxi space. I wonder if Waymo has a V13 type update waiting in the wings or if their management are watching FSD developments and going "what just happened?".

[@FalsePoco]

I checked the route. It was accurate, but it's not fair. This test is meaningless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZe7aX-rbrJ7l5I&lc=UgxTiib-HIuYzVNc0Dl4AaABAg www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1KUeznDA72Stdc08CRTPenv-p2bIEzyw&ll=34.035153285345814%2C-118.43239025&z=14

[@rquindoy]

Hmmm so how exactly is lidar benefiting Waymo again??

[@PolineChan]

Accelerating the process of bankruptcy

[@leowall9336]

One of the cars doesn’t require constant human supervision 👍

[@BigBlueFlame-000]

By making a functional robot taxi instead of promise of robotaxi next year... every year.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

It allows them to use their far worse AI to make the car work at least inside some areas that have extremely detailed maps... Waymo is literally a train using invisible rails.

[@darshuetube]

This is because Waymo didn't take the freeway. It is easier to navigate on the freeway than on city Streets. It wouldn't take Waymo much technical effort to have freeway navigation implemented.

[@snuffeldjuret]

they are afraid of higher speeds?

[@Neubs-xv8tw]

They've had years to do this. Why would they only want city streets, doing so just caused the trip to take 3x as long, maybe the car just isn't as good.

[@leowall9336]

@@Neubs-xv8tw Tesla operates driverless in exactly 0 places. Waymo is just a bit cautious, can’t really blame them. Waymo operates driverless on freeways in two cities, but not yet with non-employee passengers.

[@jamesmadison-r7i]

@@Neubs-xv8twit’s a taxi service that doesn’t have a driver to rely on. You can’t compare a fully autonomous vehicle to a Tesla lol

[@billhickswasgreat3421]

​@@snuffeldjuret, yes, as are Tesla. Unsupervised driving is about liability and currently Tesla does not care about it, while Waymo does.

[@lvi3818]

Waymo equipment is very expensive (and ugly) , and provides a lot of aero drag. Also, how much energy is their system consuming?

[@wwssswqw4p]

時間也是競爭力的一環，非常棒的測試

[@testaccount1563]

Question, were the two trips taken on similar day, time period? Things like weekday/weekend or rush hour or a long thanksgiving weekend can distort one or both rides. I expected a difference but the numbers shared are too startling.

[@matthewwiemken7293]

Would be good questions, but in the video you can see these cars take completely different routes to the destination. The Tesla seems more fluid and better in critical situations now. WAYMO did well, but AI limitations and geofencing are wing clipping the system as you can clearly see in the video between these two cars.

[@JP-ts2xi]

Route they took would be interesting to see on a map, as would both cars doing the same drive, from the same point, leaving at the same time and ending at the same point.

[@FLTaxPayer]

Are we sure the Waymo isn't being remotely driven? Not saying it is, just something you have to consider. Thanks for the vid!

[@charleshon]

Waymo wont run highway?

[@tonydeveyra4611]

I'm surprised that waymo hasn't banned whole mars yet 😂

[@GodzUnit01]

Whole Mars could be a passenger along for a ride with someone else who holds an account.

[@catbert7]

Why? He's giving them money, and they desperately need it!

[@FlorentHenry]

Did they leave at the same time?

[@jeffbransky7966]

When will Waymo be allowed to use the Xway like Tesla?

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Never. The way Waymo is working will never allow for this, it is not scalable, and will never be profitable.

[@adriangaleron3293]

No way that's the same route 😂 In city terms, the rule of thumb is it takes 4 times longer to go by walk than by car. How long was the same route by walk? Or walking in the USA is a completely "no go"?

[@matthewwiemken7293]

Would have been silly to take the same route when that is not the intention of the video. WAYMO would have taken the highway as well if it was capable, but it isn't so the Tesla was able to take a better route.

[@BigBlueFlame-000]

​@@matthewwiemken7293 But you have to take into account that there's a person in Tesla ready to takeover if FSD did something wrong while there's no one in Waymo. If Telsa did something funny, nothing would happen while if Waymo had any problem, lives could be lost.

[@JACINTOGayle]

I’m all in on XAI501x after seeing your analysis! This could be a game changer!

[@genxrants]

It looks like the Tesla picked the shorter route.

[@mcd123]

Wait...Waymo is a "Taxi" service though....paid by the minute.....

[@Zripas]

Is it paid by the minute or by distance traveled? Honest question, as I have no idea how they charge exactly.

[@GEOFFREYLemon-p8t]

The potential of XAI501x is unreal! Excited to see where this goes after watching your video!

[@BudsnSuds420]

Great advertisement!

[@craighermle7727]

Advertisement for whom? Waymo is accepting fares commercially. Tesla is still L2.

[@nguyep4]

​@craighermle7727 losing billions, even doing 100,000 rides per week.

[@sarkaranish]

@@nguyep4 tesla wasnt profitable without selling ev tax credits

[@nguyep4]

@@sarkaranish That is false. In addition, anyone can sell EV credit if they make more EVs.

[@sarkaranish]

@@nguyep4 This is true actually. Tesla wasn't profitable until they were selling their federal EV tax credits to other manufacturers. Then they got profitable with their actual cars. Waymo simply needs to have enough rides to break even with hardware costs, which will go down over time.

[@bemon31416]

With Waymo you'll take Waymo time.

[@jannistsintsaris]

Hahahah best comment 🤣👌🏻

[@danabe3220]

Waymo can't do freeways. That will really slow a trip down. Took the Waymo forever.

[@craighermle7727]

Ok, but Tesla's FSD isn't capable of what Waymo is doing, and Tesla won't be accepting financial reward for fares for at least a year.

[@XGigabowser51]

@@craighermle7727 Waymo performed well, but what did it do in this video that tesla couldn't?

[@ProXcaliber]

@@craighermle7727 What is the Waymo doing that FSD isn't?

[@awyatt61]

Waymo is geofenced and can't go on highway. The Tesla went via highway.

[@rickace132]

@@craighermle7727 Waymo is more reliable than Tesla. There is still a driver in the Tesla car. It shows that Waymo is still more advance.

[@tripnils7535]

"But Lidar is necessary for autonomy!" - People who don't have eyes and a brain to think.

[@speedismyfriend]

Notice how all the FSD vidoes are when it is nice weather, because when it is dark, suddenly a camera only approach has an issue, like hitting that deer in the road. Or when rain drops block the cameras and FSD forces you to take over

[@tripnils7535]

@@speedismyfriend You don't seem to watch a lot of those videos, there's plenty of FSD videos at night, in rain, in snow, in fog. It's not issue.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@speedismyfriend maybe try to search for them...

[@1001Balance]

@@tripnils7535the two deaths FSD caused were in poor weather conditions. Killed a pedestrian and a motorcyclist it “didn’t see”. Cameras are more limited when visibility is less. Denying that seems to denying basic physics.

[@rhinous1199]

Is the Waymo a Faguar?

[@miyazawaeiji1318]

What this video shows is that you can get to your destination much faster on the highway than on a regular road? If tesla, which uses public roads, can reach its destination faster than waimo, which uses highways, it will be praised.

[@Sebster85]

I have no doubt that Tesla is faster on average. But I think you should do the same route (Edit: or same destination) and time for both vehicles for a minimum of 10 trips to get a better sense of how much faster the Tesla is.

[@VoxelLoop]

It's a bit hard to force the Tesla to take the same route, if I recall, Waymo avoids highways for example. Even if you turn off highways in the Tesla navigation, I think it may take a different route due to different moves it's allowed to do.

[@diamond_h0us]

Long term the times will be similar. What will set Tesla’s apart is the cost of a ride.

[@-TheMaskedMan-]

@@VoxelLoopI understand this video just a little bit more now thanks to this comment because I was about to complain and ask wtf I was watching as the routes don’t even look the same.

[@walidoutaleb7121]

​​@@-TheMaskedMan- they did start and end at the same point its just that waymo cant go on highways and they can only ride on pre mapped roads (the company has to scan the roads they want to use before sending cars) tesla doesnt need premapping or even roads at all.

[@alexk2151]

Waymo doesn’t use highways?

[@didierpuzenat7280]

No, it does not.

[@KhoaTran-x9i]

Hahahaha​@@didierpuzenat7280

[@U2B_Viewer]

5:40 Man, that's an awkward spot to just park and wait for all this time...

[@joeyjia5553]

Hope there is acomparison between FSD and Huawei ADS 3.0 😊

[@dannr5073]

The first place they have to put this technology is on the race track.

[@x1yx228]

this is not compareable, not the same route and same time.

[@Zripas]

Yea, it looks like he intentionally picked start and end points near highway while knowing that FSD will pick highway while Waymo isn't allowed to do it. While I think that FSD is a better solution, this test is just... Disingenuous at best.

[@테슬라투더문]

웨이모는 눈에 띄니...사람들이 너 지나가라...양보 해 줄 수도.

[@totallynotuselessfacts]

Why r ppl comparing tesla fsd 13.2 and waymo like tesla actually has so far basically perfect ai now and waymo is legit mapped to the road and always gets stuck... The reason the fad tier whatever is more is bc they limited themselves just like how that other car is fully auto without anymore before tesla... On highway going under 40mph at traffic jams...

[@imkedricflemius7027]

Is Waymo only designed to take city streets and no highways

[@marriagepartnersministry5942]

Does anyone know if Waymo is "if -then" programed or if it runs on ai neuronets like Tesla?

[@propad12]

waymo is hard coded (if-then) and geofenced

[@Zripas]

Its little bit of bought, its more like what FSD was on its version 8 up to v12, where you have big chunk of "if-then" and some parts controlled by AI neuronets, this is why it behaves like, well, computer, it produces consistent results, but its just not human like driving. If you have road sign saying 40mph then it will go 40 even if traffic moves at 50

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Waymo is using both machine learning (much inferior to Tesla's FSD) and hardcoded for specific cases that use data from the dozens of sensors (cameras, radar, Lidar, etc.), and it also relies on extremely high detail maps for the small areas in which they can work (they literally can't move outside them).

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

tesla smashed it driving time wise. I wish it found a proper park or parked properly

[@jonathanmelhuish4530]

I suspect they might just ask the rider to select an appropriate point, at least for the pickup. That's what I'd do, anyway.

[@Zripas]

Parking at the end of trip should be coming with next few versions as it was mentioned already. It already somewhat finds a spot to park, in some cases it can properly back into parking spot, its still inconsistent and usually parks in a way like its just dropping someone off and is ready to continue the trip

[@rickace132]

If waymo took the highway, it would have been the same amount of time. Tesla is still not fully autonomous. They have a person in the driver seat. Waymo doesn't need a person.

[@Neubs-xv8tw]

@@rickace132 give it 6 months, just needs regulatory approval. V13 clearly drives better than Waymo, plus its not restricted to a geofenced area, thats massive.

[@BigBlueFlame-000]

​@@Neubs-xv8twTesla hasn't even applied for regulatory approval.

[@kaikwongwong1593]

Many thanks Job well done👍

[@musk-eteer9898]

Waymo is still drive remotely by a driver not full self drive

[@TheSpartan3669]

Lying about Waymo destroys your credibility.

[@BigBlueFlame-000]

Your username suits you, musk-eteer

[@generosopaz621]

Waymo, doesn't wait at intersection when lights turn green, it should paused to see if someone is running a red light, also the waymo I see accelerate to fast from a stand still...

[@enoughofthis]

Jaguar, waymo, all dead

[@andrasbiro3007]

Everyone who isn't Tesla or BYD. All of the big ones are in big trouble, executives are being fired left and right, cars not selling, profits are collapsing, while unions are blocking layoff and factory closures. Even the Chinese are struggling, because there are too many of them. Seems like Tesla is the only healthy car company at this moment.

[@cxmacaroni]

Do it again when Waymo starts going in highways. I'm still on 12.5.3.6 but I'm curious

[@kriegermetal]

Most obvious win was time due to freeway usage, maybe not so obvious is that you can buy a Tesla w/FSD today, Waymo is a proprietary solution that might be available where you are... eventually.

[@Vardraq]

I do like how much of a leap forward the new FSD update brought. However, at 5:12, the Tesla pulled into a Bike lane and just parked there. I don't know the traffic rules in the US but here in Germany this would be 70€ and 1 point, as it is neither permitted to drive (unless you want to pull into a legal parking spot on the other side of the bike lane), halt, nor park on a bicycle lane, not even if you are a taxi etc.. I hope when FSD comes to Europe, it won't do such stupid maneuvers, that could get you fined.

[@seawareable]

Driving rules are different not only in Germany and other parts of Europe & Asia, but in each state or city within the US! For example in New York City you cannot make a right turn on a red light unless there's a sign giving permission. I'm not sure how far they've gotten with that training, but I know Tesla wants to take those unique rules into account.

[@speedismyfriend]

@@seawareable Which is exactly why when unsupervised FSD comes it will be geofenced...just like Waymo

[@aerohk]

Tesla FSD is light years ahead.

[@vinumcopia9850]

Who could have predicted that Tesla would solve FSD before Auto Wipers?

[@Zripas]

It looks more like FSD simply checking if camera obstruction it notices isn't something on the windshield by wiping once, not that its an actual bug, I might be wrong, but it just looks like it

[@RichBrain100]

Tesla is speeding

[@robertvadjinia126]

Yep! And this shows one of many reasons Brad Gerstner converted all his Waymo stock to Tesla stock!! Only a fool would hold Waymo stock at this point!

[@guccisasha]

AI, ...nuff said.

[@Rapidstar380]

Love V13.2 but those phantom wipes... still haven't fixed those :D

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

they should at least spray some water

[@morikush]

１５分で行ける道を逆にどうやったら４２分で行けるのか感心します。

[@IndraSinghal]

I saw the Tesla run it's wipers on a sunny day... Waymo didn't need to do that. Does that count for anything? 😉

[@Couly]

Tesla has waymo data than anyone else

[@Christian-fx9ur]

Tesla has already had more data than anyone. For years. Yet FSD still does dumb things like driving right through a do not enter sign. You’d think that would have appeared at least a few times in their gazillions of miles of data. Curbs are also in their data set right? Why did my Model Y go over two curbs? The hype is hype fueled by dreams of riches. Maybe it works out for you. Maybe they will figure out how to make the cameras see through sun glare and rain. Elon only needs to create the illusion of progress to keep the stock overinflated for years. You all will keep buying.

[@joeayim3568]

Imagine comparing tesla to google when it comes to data. On KZbin for God's sake

[@Couly]

@@joeayim3568 it was actually a great joke

[@Galwain45]

Tesla already won. Buy $TSLA before the market realizes it.

[@Tubaibrahim-jc5lb]

I love how you broke down the XAI501x project in your video! Can’t wait to see it skyrocket!

[@Luvurenemy]

I’ll take the Tesla with the random windshield wiper activity. Feature/bug.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

Waymo cars cost over 300k, are geo fenced, can’t do highways, can’t handle inclement weather like snow, look fugly with all those sensors and slow 😂😂😂

[@travisjazzbo3490]

I don't think they are half of that or less now... But regardless, they will always be WAY more than a Tesla

[@craighermle7727]

FSD degrades when there's a light mist. I can't image what snow will do to the vision only system

[@TheSpartan3669]

FSD isn't autonomous...

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

@@travisjazzbo3490 have u been watching people just driving around in snow on FSD? It just finds the road better than what I can make out watching the road in the videos. There is no comparison. Google is a joke

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

@@TheSpartan3669 it is much more capable, can Waymo drive u from CA to NYC?

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Nice demonstration. However, it is wrong and dangerous to park on a bike lane, the Tesla should have stayed in its lane with the warnings, but unfortunately 95% of human drivers would have done the same thing. And Waymo would probably have made the same mistake if it had stopped at the same address. Besides, which car arrived at the best place relative to the final destination?

[@Zripas]

Tesla FSD still lacks the ability to properly park itself at the end of trip, which was mentioned to come out in next few versions, when that's is sorted then there won't really be a competition left to participate in. At the moment FSD just parks in a way like its just dropping of someone at destination and then will continue its trip, like robotaxi would do, which usually results in awkward or just plain bad parking spots.

[@ChipMIK]

Wonder how many retakes WMC made to create this video as they are very often very far from what other normal users of FSD experience and has been for ages.

[@matthewwiemken7293]

I have FSD and my experiences mirror mars as long as I keep my cameras clean:)

[@ChipMIK]

@@matthewwiemken7293 Clean? :-) Like when living where there is no rain, mud, snow or around freezing temperatures in major parts of the year. "Vision" is made for Florida while the rest of the world got a POS assist system that's useless or at best flawed X time of the year. Fantastic. Tesla will loose SO much out on this sick ideologi of Elon's using the cheapest of the cheapest. All it takes is lab perfect weather, and it works...Most of the time ;-)

[@joeyd5114-f9b]

Does Tesla pay you?

[@gnschenker]

One advantage of Waymo is that I can work on my laptop while the car is driving me to the destination. Just saying… But other than that, FSD is winning clearly and it will only get better.

[@tonykim1248]

wow, it's awesome!😛

[@SPsiew]

The thing is Waymo was not bad. Tesla Good job

[@Urufu-san]

The amount of data Tesla has been collecting over the years is a HUGE advantage. Waymo is certainly No. 2 there, but with quite a margin. And Tesla seems to have found better algorithms 💪🏻 Not perfect yet, but very impressive!

[@TisforTech]

It took Waymo time.

[@oakfieldfarm4131]

This video needs some commentary and explanation of exactly what we’re seeing. Too dull without.