Why am I told to stop hacking Health Packs as Sombra? | OW2 Reddit Questions #47

[@introjeff]

Also, if your tank is Ball, hack all the health packs

[@neilmallick20]

same if their tank is ball ;)

[@introjeff]

@@neilmallick20 absolutely

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

Not just Ball. Do Doom, DVA, and Winton. Why? Just incase they chase a target

[@10Neon]

@@neilmallick20 As a Ball, I don't consider Sombra a counter if she's just hacking me. But if every health pack I try to take is hacked... okay, now I'm countered.

[@springerengineering6697]

Sombra is ball's best friend and worst enemy. She's like the perfect diving partner and the best support a ball could ask for. She can also do the exact opposite as an enemy, and deprive ball of the best source of healing avaliable and ruin dives.

[@springerengineering6697]

If there's a ball on the field (either enemy or ally), then Sombra should hack health packs. Ball relies so much on packs, so either depriving the enemy ball of health or giving your own ball easier access is a major advantage

[@SuperLifestream]

I'm a sombra main. I always hack them and then ping sombra says: "health pack hacked"

[@dongdoodler]

Not going to lie with the healing passive ball takes a max of 20 seconds to heal without packs, hes taking at least 10 to grab a mega, so at best you are saving 3 seconds, as he heals 10%+ a fixed amount per second with the passive up. Enemy ball just hack him, screw the packs you burst him so fast its hard for him to play the game if you focus him, you dont really need the kill at that point hes fighting for his life in most circumstances.

[@SuperLifestream]

@@dongdoodler It's not about hacking the pack so you can heal. its about hacking so they cant. People retreat to a health pack if its hacked. nothing better then killing someone right as they see they cant get a mega

[@Rose-85]

@@dongdoodler i can tell you from experience as Ball, getting hacked by sombra is bad, but getting all your packs hacked is even worse because then you have to either run around half the map trying to find a pack or retreat to your team, drawing heals away from the rest of your team which is what ball tries to avoid

[@RadarFinsR]

@@dongdoodler yes and no, the thing about the health packs is on all the best ball maps there are two megas close to a good fight spot, which allows ball to get 500 burst healing while playing "solo" in the back line, backing off to heal up while a lot better on ball loses all your momentum as an agressive dive tank the more you disruipt enemy backlines the more your team is able to get work done. none of these key healthpacks really take much time to get to, don't waste time psuedoafking to get bad packs but in koth for example there's a lot of maps that have 2 megas right next to each other which are easy to hack before or after a fight. also ball heals faster than the 20s because of the shields but in most games if you go afk as tank for 10 seconds you've probably lost the fight teams and the previously mentioned aggression, also hacking ball when he's capable of crab walking to a nearby mega makes your kill attempt almost impossible unless you whole team is dumping ball If anything is good advice for sombras it's to hack on piledriver to deny damage and disrupt the enemy balls playstyle as it's very annoying to have to setup a piledriver when you think you'll get hacked and it's your largest damage ability if used correctly. tl;dr yes but also no, map dependent and time dependent

[@pauljmorton]

My thought about the "should QP be taken seriously": You should try to win in QP always, but you can set your own rules, or at least some rules. Rules that you are allowed to set for yourself include hard-locking on whatever hero you wish, regardless of how good you are at that hero or how it works with your team or against the opposing team. Within that parameter, you must try to win.

[@jaypsanchez9481]

fully agree, if you’re not playing to win a match go to Deathmatch or custom games - It’s still casual but but throwing games in QP is definitely still gameplay sabotage

[@kevil123oo7]

This, finally there's someone who speaks what QP should be, just play whatever the heck you want but don't throw and make others games frustrating. Many streamers don't get this cuz they always in stacks with friends which they don't really care whether they win or not because they focus more on the yapping

[@metalbeard1090]

I played with a Ramattra who had 0 damage. I didn't even notice until I watched the playback. Sometimes players just sit there and emote or spam "hello." I get that it's "casual," but that stuff isn't fun.

[@pinkforguys]

@@metalbeard1090 people who just wann hang out should go to custom games, there are literally several custom modes for that!

[@amiri3276]

Often times in QP if I'm not doing well and it seems the character just isn't working, my strategy is to switch up my play style to buy a little extra time for my ultimate, use the ultimate, then switch to someone else next time I die. That is unless the play style switch seems to fix the issue. If it doesn't, I usually have a set 2 or 3 characters per role that I play depending on the session. Switch to one of those, try my best, and repeat the process if there's time and it's necessary. I don't always go with the optimal pick tho cuz I'm trying to have fun first and foremost

[@lyzder7298]

The thing with hacking health packs is that is has to be with purpose. Hacking a health pack does two things: heals your allies faster, and denies healing to the enemy team. If you're gonna hack a health pack you have to consider the opportunity of either of those things to happen. Using New Queen Street for example, you can hack a health pack near a teammate that likes to stay back so they have extra healing if pressured, like on 2nd point high ground. For the other case, you can hack the mega pack inside the hall in the middle of the map to deny mobile heroes like Tracer of that closeby healing they often go for. The *timing* also matters a LOT. Not only because it means you aren't shooting or getting in position for an assassination, but also because hacking when an enemy is nearby is giving away your position and you can get punished. If you hack with purpose, you can save your Ana in the back line, or deny a escaping Reaper of healing to finish him off, and both feel reaaaaally good

[@Yasha_U]

+1 this. Stop hacking healthpack for the heck of it. If you want to take extra area security, you can hack healthpacks like near Illios Ruins just next to the point since a lot of fights happen there, and that Mega is quite the popular pick me up. You can hack that to help your team fighting there or deny enemy team of a pick me up. Sombra is a very timing and dependant hero. Utilize the two and you can easily become the #1 target on your enemies radar, until you switch off to soldier or somethin else

[@casheverett6300]

Exactly. And if you know your going to be taking fights or FORCING fights against really aggressive players, then you can make a really good trap because you have good sustain

[@DreadDoom]

Oh shit the 1st question is mine :D What you said is pretty much the answer other high ranked Sombra players mentioned: Lots of lower rank players will go out of their way to hack a health pack instead of positioning for the next fight, so if you're lower rank it's usually better to ignore hacking health packs entirely until you understand the game enough to know when hacking is worth it.

[@phoenixflamegames1]

I usually do it to prevent the other team getting it. Like the big health at the end of the corridor on Colosseo.

[@DreadDoom]

@@phoenixflamegames1 Yeah after watching some high ranked players I now only hack health packs that are right next to my team or the enemy team and only if there is downtime. Rest of the time I spend setting up for Sombra-76 gameplay :P

[@uwuowo214]

When i respawn i hack packs i run past and those near fight zones

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

Am I right in guessing it was Questron who emphasized not hacking health packs? If so, he's saying so because his YOU MUST DO THIS thrust is always "Maximize uptime" - the longer you're out of the fight, the less value you provide. It's also why he hates spawn camping - not because the kill isn't valuable, but because you usually spend so much time in transit that you're losing a big chunk of that value when you could be in the fight. KarQ phrases it well when he says it's about priorities. Watch a guy like Fitzy - he hacks health packs, he spawn camps, but he does so in the flow of "Always doing something, always creating value." If you're running by a health pack and the voice line won't give away your next move, go ahead and hack it - the CD is so short afterwards there's literally no reason not to. Crossing that coast side Mega on Esperanca? Hack that mofo - everyone goes for that during retreats/rotation, denying it to the enemy could be big. Don't leave an in progress fight to go for a pilgrimage across the map to spawn camp someone, but if the main fight's won and you can delay the next fight with an easy spawn camp? Definitely. The primary reason lower level Sombras don't provide value is that they waste too much time out of the fight. Always be generating value, always be annoying, never leave their minds.

[@FallenQueenOfCrows]

other thing I don't think was mentioned was that because it's loud it can sometimes alert the enemy to your approximate position so they know where you're coming from

[@neonrain9488]

Weavers "play making" is saving teammates instead of damage. Like that petaling, yoinking allies before death, using tree to save allies

[@snowfloofcathug]

He’s really consistent with headshots if you can catch a squishy off-guard or even helping to finish off some higher health characters. But yea, my favourite thing with him (outside of clutch pulls) is the little moments of giving someone a petal for an off angle or flank, or to use it to lift Bobs or even DVa ults (or blocking doorways!)

[@Somejaun]

@@snowfloofcathughe’s pretty easy to shoot widow with too

[@Shingeki__]

As a metal ranker, i take Quickplay seriously. HOWEVER thats me! Im gonna try hard because i use it as practice for ranked, if you dont, so long as you arent hard trolling, its fine. I cant expect everyone to care. Hell Ive been in ranked games less competitive than quickplay. Most Id like is that you try.

[@MrNeCr01]

I've noticed as a Sombra main that the more time you spend hacking health packs, the higher the enemy's awareness of you becomes. You want to surprise them and increase the likelihood that they overreact/overinvest to your hack/virus combo, but you don't want them be inured to the fact that you're there and getting used to your habits. I'm training myself to only hack health packs that are immediately relevant to where the fight is taking place, or on the fallback route for the enemy team to prevent them from getting a quick re-engage.

[@RobertBarry1969]

It is about cool downs, right? If the battle is over and you are resetting for the next fight, hack a pack and your cooldown will be back when you need it.

[@flowerboy9611]

Yeah the tip is a lil outdated. This held a lil more weight back with old transloc and you'd likely be setting up to recall there anyway. There's plenty of times you SHOULD hack meds now. If you're low on health picking up a mini > hacking it so it recovers faster > picking it up again is a fine way to recover health semi quickly to get back into team fights faster

[@bitnn4703]

Yeah, you shouldn't hack healthpacks in the middle of a fight. Set it up before the fight happens or when its ending and you should be fine. You should also take into consideration if the next fight is going to be where the health pack is, especially on Gamemodes with constantly changing fight locations like Push. If you think the next fight will be close to the health pack, hack it. If not, don't bother. Or do. As long as you get your cooldown back before the next fight it really doesn't matter.

[@Real_MisterSir]

It's not just about cooldowns, it's also about likelihood that you'll even benefit from that hack in the near future. Sure if it's close to the next team fight proximity and you expect to get pressured, hacking a pack can be great (or to deny enemy support their health pack option if you intend to duel them). However, the main reason is simply related to relevant uptime. If you think -even between fights, that hacking health packs is time well spent, then you're missing out on a lot of things you should be doing. Scouting is the number one priority, and scouting demands that you're ALWAYS around the enemy team, seeing what they're doing, which heroes they're on, which positions they're taking, and what the timing for the next fight is going to be. Instead of wasting time hacking a health pack, you should be zooming towards the enemy spawn and scout their every move on their way to the next team fight, so you have the optimal setup for your next engage, and you can relay info to your team too if need be. One of the main reasons Sombra has a low winrate, is due to low uptime. It's very easy to waste time on her because you're free to do anything without consequence, so you never feel rushed to do anything. But you have the power to always be doing something, and this is a responsibility on you as a player to make full use out of, always. Uptime in scouting, uptime in farming ult, uptime in providing active value and not wishful value. Health pack hack value just isn't high or consistent enough to ever prioritize over scouting info. Simple as that.

[@ccricers]

@@flowerboy9611 It's also good for when a teammate wants a mini but also more urgently than you, so you can both get some healing while stalling your team less.

[@Rose-85]

@@bitnn4703 in the new Anubis Clash map that one point with the hole in the floor with a mini at each end of both teams areas seems like a good mini to hack, drop in, heal, go back out and re engage in seconds

[@TheRoyal30]

A way that I was able to show my friend that they were the problem sometimes was to show them the replay from the above view. That allowed them to see what they did wrong which led to them dying. One of my FAVORITE things as a support player is to have a tank player that doesn't use natural cover and face tank damage while both supports dump everything into them JUST to keep them alive...barely. Just a few seconds behind cover can get you full hp.

[@Jamie_Ashe]

NONE of my friends like using the environment for cover. Like, you are given the biggest shield in the game. Even my Ana’s sit in the middle of lanes fully exposed! Why!?

[@jeverydk]

I would say, that i dont agree with the "should qp be taken seriously". The answer is - Yes, to an extend. If you are queing up to play with others, in a game about winning - play to win. Even if it is qp, that doesn't justify wasting other peoples time by doing anything else than the objective of the game mode - to win. If you feel like fooling around, do a custom game. Some people dont have time to play comp nor want the stress that come with that pressure - but just because the rank pressure is gone in qp, that doesnt make it any less worth than rank. Note, i am saying you should take qp super serious - just that you should do stuff that completely waste your teams time like afking or throwing complete. Experimenting and stuff like that is fine, as long as you do your best to still win and help your team. Otherwise - go play with bots.

[@theymi]

Would love to see the friend's reaction to question 3

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

It's not ideal but, as sombra, I once met a mercy who was surprisingly good at working with me (not like I expect it). She never gave away my position but would zoom over to boost me when I was ambushing someone or just after a emp. Haven't seen that very often.

[@SamuraiPipotchi]

10:36 I think Rein would be worse than Hog in this specific composition. They both have around the same amount of counters, but Rein is less capable of one-shotting and can't actively attack without reducing his defensive capabilities. Additionally, Rein, Widow and Sombra all have very different optimal positioning, which is fine with most tanks, but Rein has neither the mobility or the range to reliability assist either of them should they get jumped, meaning the supports will typically need to be the DPS' backup - except Rein also tends to be pretty demanding on support-resources when he gets focused, meaning Lucio and Mercy are already going to struggle to keep him up BEFORE they're having to zoom all over the place to help their DPS. Picking Rein here stretches everyone too thin and always leaves at least one major vulnerability wide open.

[@LUCKIPUP]

i think the worst comp in most ranks and could only work with a team of onetricks in each respective character is JunkQ, Sombra, torb, mercy, and zenyatta . Every person on the team would be susceptible to dying way more often against pretty much any team comp as there is essentially no real synergy between any of them besides junkq/genji or sombra/genji ult so maybe since their ult together is essentially a teamwide ana nade with a side of blade or a teamwide hack with blade. Torb, Mercy, and Zen ult are all defensive ults that can be kited pretty easy whenever they are used offensively on their own. again the only value i see is the junkq/sombra genji ult dump but even then in this day and age a cracked ana could genuinely shut that shit down on her own if not with the help of any other swaps that might be made which will then nullify the only good ult combo. which then leaves the comp to get absolutely dumpstered throughout every neutral on most if not all maps. they would have to ult dump to get value at all which comes at the cost of getting actually owned in the neutral everytime which i think is what makes the worst comp the worst comp, one that cant even win a neutral anywhere against any other comp combo.

[@thebubblecafe]

As a Mercy main, I've been in a few situations with that exact comp and every time I'm typically the one that decides to swap. I feel like it's best for me as the Mercy to swap since at the very least Lucio and Sombra work well together.

[@strangejune]

Hmm... For countering my main, Brigitte, I would say: if she's playing closer to the front line (this is how I prefer to play - she might do this if she has no dive to worry about), keep track of when she has shield bash and when she doesn't. If you notice her use shield bash and you're in a position to punish her, do it. Her team might have to expend cooldowns to save her, or compromise positioning. In the best case scenario, she dies. This is true no matter what role you're playing, by the way! Of course, if you're Ram or Rein, it's obvious you can push her, but if you're Ana for example, you can hit her with an anti by throwing it at the ground near her, which is difficult to block, and most DPS can directly threaten her with the right positioning.

[@cafeine]

I love that people still say they get stressed with competitive mode or they practicr in qp for it. OW is a casual game since ow2, there is nothing actually competitive so let's all just relax a bit and try to have some sort of fun.

[@gayceofspades]

quickplay is the place where you can have one of 3 things happen: 1 - have a normal game where everyone focuses on the objective and does their best to win. 2 - have a game where the tanks constantly 1v1 while the dps are off in nowhere and the supports are just staring at each other like "yep this is my life". 3 - get held hostage in a "friendly" game. they are only friendly if you do not touch their point. do not touch the point or you will get absolutely destroyed by the friendly team. my friend and i still cannot look at new junk city without crying (/j)

[@Mr_Sting]

Another thing for the first question for Sombra, in higher level play if you hack a pack before the first fight breaks out, at least one player will most likely hear you. It’ll then ruin the potential for a surprise early pick.

[@Copperyfoxx]

When my friend that mained Cowboy started playing Kiriko because he liked her feel and kit - it made him a MUCH more understanding teammate when it came to h playing DPS. Anyone with friends that never play support and often complain about heals - make them play support. If they won’t play support then make them watch the entire round from the POV of support.

[@aidanibarra3957]

They should make a game mode like quick play, but its full matches like comp but without the stakes. I find aim training for hours and hours only gets ya so far compared to actually running a few games to warm up. I usually just chill in qp but sonetimes i find myself wanting more from it, atleast as a secondary thing to my comp progress. How it is atm, like 60% of my qp games wont give me any new insight or whatnot, and it would be nice for them to become more valuable for general practice and improvement

[@jpeets8357]

mercy beam doesnt connect all the way to an invis sombra but still a solid (bad ) team comp

[@zeik27]

They need a game type where you can't pick your top 2 most played characters in any role when playing. This way they could have a more guaranteed less sweaty training mode

[@Dovakinskywalker]

If you take QP seriously I have zero sympathy when your team isn't sweating. Go play ranked if it's that serious.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Worst team comp: Mercy Lucio Bastion Ball Venture Neither Mercy nor Lucio has any major momentum-swing abilities like Nade, Suzu, Immo field, etc. And they also don't really match in playstyles and where they want to be on the map. Ball doesn't want to stand still, and he doesn't want to brawl in the frontline, plus he has situational impact rather than consistent impact. This makes it very hard for Bastion to really capitalize off of engages, and also won't have much space to work with since he'll be very open and exposed any time he goes into turret mode. Venture does not have any long range, has some mobility, but also doesn't want to really play as a dive hero so they won't synergize much with Ball in general, and also won't get any benefit from playing at range with Bastion. This means Venture is more likely to be isolated in order to play at their own optimal range and space, which would split the team. Lucio providing speed boost doesn't really benefit any hero except Bastion in turret form, but even here the outcome is limited as Bastion is exceptionally exposed on his own, which he will be a majority of the time, and even Mercy dmg amp won't do much against any CC coming his way. In terms of ults, you also don't really have anything that synergizes. Nothing is inherently bad, and Lucio ult ensures your team won't get wiped by visor or blade etc, but you won't gain any advantage over an enemy comp. Also in general the comp is very susceptible to ranged poke and flyers, which offer a ton of value here at the skill floor vs this comp, making it super easy to counter and pressure out of any space on the map. Half the team wants to hold space and push slow, while the other doesn't want to hold any space for more than a few seconds and instead just runs around skirmishing.

[@AarPlays]

A speed amp mercy boosted bastion is REAL scary. But only for about 10 seconds. But those ten seconds are REALLY SCARY

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@AarPlays Yea... but funny thing is he'll still die to a solo Soldier who doesn't have low silver positioning xD

[@anonymall]

To the guy that has a friend that glazes healbots: I kinda think he'll be the type of guy that will end up complaining about the tank for not protecting him...

[@ChunkyRacc]

As a sombra player, that comp that you said was the worst in your mind is a comp that I actually have painfully played on more than a few times

[@magnusberge]

Not hacking healthpacks comes from a very high ranking Sombra main who made a video a few ... years ago i think and ppl are just bringing this with them without remembering why he reccomended that in the 1st place

[@SpawnPirate]

This happens in every game out there. Ranked people jump into qp/unranked and if they do it for long enough they realise its actually taken seriously and the games can get really hard. Turns out some people don't need an exterior motivator to just give it their all aside from the satisfaction of being better than the other team

[@bregoelly9201]

i want to point out that mercy sombra actually does work, the beam cuts off about halfway the beam lenght. yes it still kinda indicates, but beams can be long and a smart mercy can actually dmg boost on correct times and absolutely make people melt from the sombra. my partner mains mercy and im a decent sombra, we discovered its actually pretty strong. ( we play at gm level)

[@LightingCatxD]

As a tank main i loving playing nepal sanctum with a sombra especially when she i hacking the megas because this means for me that I got an advantage on the fights even when ults come out because of the personal mega that also has reduced cooldown that i can just sit on and not die. This used to be especially helpful during the golden horse meta.

[@kevinkalani]

13:42 - 14:05 Say this one louder for the people in the back. I can't tell you how often on DPS (my lowest role) that my tank will swap to Zarya against a DVA on Gibraltar, or how my supports will ask me to go Reaper on Dorado against a Winston. Map design is a way better point to consider when picking team comp than just counterpicking what the enemy team is running.

[@saquial]

Other reason people say that you shouldn’t hack health packs is because it tells the enemy you’re nearby and how long has it been since you’ve last been there, so a decent player could predict when will you attack and where you could go in. Specially at the beginning of the match when the enemy team can’t see your team composition, hacking a health pack immediately tells them that there’s a Sombra on the battlefield.

[@firelordkushroll]

but with coms, wouldnt a sombra and sym be great for backline insta kills? i the sym, could call out to the sombra already in pos - then initiate my 3 turrets and tp dive; we go in. could easily get like 2 on their backline. right? i main sym, i think this would be good. (with comms to the sombra ofc)

[@elijahgladdish6828]

A fun strat that my friends and I (2 supp and dps) have done in games where our team is as a whole worse then the enemy is go mercy and zen and just start killing people before they can kill us. We call it prehealing and rarely works but it’s gotten us a few wins we honestly shouldn’t have gotten

[@linuaV1]

If you dont hack a health pack, the enemy will run away to a mega if they engage in a duel with you, usually far from their team, in a close space (the two megas on numbani first, for example), and you as a sombra want to lure the enemies to a bad position and win the duel, but if he knows the mega is hacked, there's no reason for them to isolate themselves, so usually the best scenarios is one of the two: a) you get them low without taking damage and let them take the mega, and re-engage from a different angle (you'll probably win if you have virus) Or b) get them low, chase them, translocate to the pack and finish them off (or hack the pack first, as they're running or reloading if you fell you're gonna mess something up, it's up to you) But yeah, for me, not hacking a pack it's more of a psychological tool than anything, you usually wanna hack if there's a highly mobile tank in the team.

[@OyeBeto]

KarQ, what do you think of a video with statistics of which healtpacks are the most used and which ones are picked up while being low health? This could give us an idea of which ones to prioritize hacking

[@vgpowerlord]

I play Lifeweaver a fair bit. For some reason, Ventures always try to burrow me, apparently not realizing I can just jump out of the way since Rejuvenating Dash is on such a short cooldown.

[@bobylob4625]

As far as supports to use against Dva, I personally find a lot of success playing Moira into Dva. Sure, you’re not winning any 1v1s, but the fact that you can continue to succ during the matrix can apply a lot of pressure if they were putting up the matrix at already low health. Also it isn’t that hard to time your orb throws with when matrix is on cooldown.

[@bocar4127]

As a Weaver main, I genuinely have never understood the bashing for him. I’ve played him since release and people are usually indifferent or a juuuust a little pushy. I’ve always figured some decent aim and a positive attitude have helped me get this far, plus he fits my playstyle being a previous aggressive tank main. Either way, I have fun playing him- especially seeing people’s reactions to his silly heal animation toward their faces (in short, he caresses their chin lol)

[@some_random_dude13]

The third question is a great way to explain why stats don't mean anything without context behind it. Your widow did less damage that your Reaper? It could be that the enemy wasn't giving any shots away, or they were commiting a ton of resources to shut her down. Your Zen isn't healing as much as Moira? Well duh, they are completely different types of supports, there is a reason it's called "support" and not "healer"

[@Jamie_Ashe]

If you queuing up in a game where the goal is to win, yes, take it seriously. You don’t have to put your entire heart and soul into it, but the GOAL is to win. Now, you don’t have to think too hard into picking counters or whatever, but In general IF YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY THE GAME, AT LEAST TRY.

[@brynmisk]

the worst team comp section just sounds like quickplay

[@AarPlays]

Hack packs that deny use to the enemy while scouting. I cant tell you the amount of times i killed someone who went to a health pack only to not be able to use it For instance, the mega in the center building on oasis (i vant remember the specifics one, not the one with the cars or the academy but the other one) is extremely useful to deny the enemy

[@Jason-Vel]

i feel happy about that i'm over those 15% crit hit accuracy, which he consider high end :)

[@martinkelly1233]

Why does the one guy think a mercy should be healbotting a tank lol

[@bcndooz3294]

I wonder what rank that guy is to think that.

[@kaialsh4321]

As a support main, i play moira vs dva. Moria gots survivability and dva can't dm her heal. ( except the orbs but im careful with them just like ana's nades )

[@OppyOzzborz-sb8oz]

I actually don’t mind. mercy when playing sombra, for me it just feels that if mercy doesn’t heal me she has more time to heal my timmates, so if i just keep surviving of healthpacks on the enemy backline it seems that im doing more for my team if i were spliting attention of my supports…

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

there are two BIG things to take into account for hacking health packs: 1) does this health pack need to be utilized by a hero? ball players, flankers, enemy and ally all need health packs to sustain into their respective backlines, so denying, providing health packs is essential to influence their value. the further they need to go, the longer it takes for them to go back into the fight. 2) does hacking this health pack provide value? sounds similar, but this is more for EVERY hero, there are spots in the map where a health pack is near a objective and its where supports tend to stick around, for example, first point hollywood, hacking that mini health pack in the defenders little house is HUGE for keeping your supports alive. and its imo more important then hacking the two megas.

[@traumatized_otaku]

Don’t take quick play seriously… unless your a tank main. In which case don’t play quick play.

[@ingoseiler]

For the terrible team comp: Lucio Zen Bastion Sym Orisa. The DPS and Tank all need high healing to function and Lucio Zen can't provide. Triple bad if played on a KotH map

[@ingoseiler]

Also Pharah Echo with Bap Moira and as a Tank Sig. Sig doesn't need much heals and the fliers are hard to heal for the supports

[@miuiruma273]

Juno fix both teams

[@sesshonuyasha]

Worst Possible TeamComp Example : Winston Jumps with sombra while LW supports them, creating a distraction for Sym to build charge/pressure with mercy pocket and can teleport IN for harass or TP divers out. - DOABLE Bursty Team - I play lots of Winston lately and LW is one of my fave pairings homies be having decent pulls. Really Like Kar Q's Worst Team Comp Theory

[@LocGMD5]

For me ive missed potential ult or rez cancel because i hacked and it was on cool down/ wasnt in position in time from hacking packs

[@timothytbh486]

9:40 didn't they change mercy's beam to be invisible to the enemy team when it's attached to sombra back in season 6 though????

[@brookesburkhardt9802]

People don't talk about that enough, getting speed boosted always makes my aim feel off, which is why I'm not a fan of lucio if I'm playing anything other than dive

[@defeatSpace]

You only make it a priority when the enemy Sombra makes it personal.

[@saltyswann898]

12:50 Worst team comp: Ball, Torb, Widow, Zen, Moria. Everyone gets countered by a good Sombra

[@MrBrock314]

8-15% crit accuracy? I'm feeling a lot better about my Hanzo now. :)

[@KEEYBLADE]

If people take quickplay seriously, they wouldn't throw the match when teammates don't play the heroes they want them to play. Instead they would want to win anyway and try their best anyway. I see quickplay as a casual mode, in which - yes, you should try to win, but you are free to do whatever you want to reach that goal. Otherwise you wouldnt be able to learn any new heroes or try something new.

[@hubertlenningrad2252]

Doesn't it depend on who you're fighting with/against?

[@bitnn4703]

Hack Healthpacks where the fight is most likely to happen. This way your team is more likely to use them and the enemy team is more likely to not be able to use them. If you hack a healthpack thats really far away from the main objective, its pointless. Sure, you could get your hack back before you enter the next fight, but its still obsolete. Health Packs like the Mega Pack at the Robot's starting point on Runasapi are good examples of what you should hack. Its close to a basically nessecary fight, meaning your team can derive extra value from it and the enemy can get zero value from it. Its also VERY useful for the Sombra, as it has decent cover around it and the walls around it don't connect to a ceiling, meaning you can throw your translocator either TO the healthpack (if you need health) or AWAY from the healthpack (if you already got the health) and the enemy team will have a much harder time chasing you, and you can do it from basically any angle.

[@BlaizeTheDragon]

There's certainly health packs worth hacking and keeping hacked. Oasis Gardens is a good example. The small health kit directly next to the point and the mega inside the small hut at the major choke point. Keeping those under your control will keep the high mobility heroes starved quick healing when they need it most or for your own benefit.

[@Oscar-yw1vl]

Since Sombra got a health nerf,getting a hacked health pack is slightly more helpful. Her speed buff to Stealth also allows her to quickly get back to your team after hacking a health pack.*

[@venosaur121212]

I think the best way to make someone understand that they aren't th best tank in the world is to make them watch there own replay from 3rd person

[@CometdownCat]

3:53 didit just out itself as a robot/exe script/Agent Skith exile by reading 'bracket' aloud.....? Not a native speaker so apologies if I am hearing wrong

[@tailgrowth]

I would only rarely run to go Hack a health pack, especially since the duration is lower now. The only times I would prioritize Hacking is if there's a key pack near where my team is holding strong, like the one right next to the objective on a Control map if my team has control over the point. On the other hand, there are a lot of times where Hacking a health pack is free, since the Hack animation is fast and doesn't de-stealth you. So if I happen to run past one I'll Hack it. And if I'm grabbing one myself I'll Hack it.

[@jordankinney863]

If your versing a tracer,ball,venture hack healthpacks Hacking the mega in the vicinity is fine aswell

[@Redtornado6]

If your playing comp un-optimally, the game will put you in a lower skill bracket, so that even if you are throwing every game by playing the wrong character, it won’t matter.

[@TsuchiGamer06]

"Hacking health packs where your team has space" is the true bit. But that has too much nuance and too fluid for most people so it boils down to just yes or no

[@nightsxgames]

Critical Hit Accuracy 17% -- I should start playing Hanzo again....

[@jaikrishnan7729]

why does every game i run into is a case of who blames first? like whenever I'm in a match and we are losing, there is always someone blaming, words like stupid, idiot and such gets getting tossed around like nobody's business. Idk if it's just me but ow1's community was way less toxic. is it just my elo (gold/plat) or is it the case in other elos as well

[@fatman9994]

The lifeweaver comment hurts because I main him and it's too true. Had a game the other day where I had 21k healing and the other 3 supports were right around 9k each. We still lost. Felt like I couldn't do anything to change the game except maybe switch to someone better. Sucks since I actually really like his kit.

[@aesir748]

Seeing that people actually want a mercy on their team is crazy but metal ranks are like the wild west ig

[@dreamchop735]

widow and sombra have synergy, sombra can hack and give widow wall potential

[@NightFoxx99]

Hot take: No one above Plat has any right to complain about shitty matches. The reset has put me and probably others into the mid to lower metal ranks, and there is no hell quite like that. People with no fundamentals or learned skills for their appropriate rank, poor communication, hyper defensiveness, and just awful team play ability. Meanwhile diamond and above take good players for granted. I don't wanna hear it.

[@x.m.a.]

Ive heard people say sojourn is hitsan so many times. I dont get it, her gun is projectile

[@jordanlamb3340]

Only her Primary. her alt fire is hitscan.

[@VayreenaVulpera]

Last time I saw Ana Mercy with Mauga, they actively threw the game... like Nano Valking rather than healing.. at All

[@and16942]

Worst team possible: ball, hanzo, pharah , zen, moira

[@gus-df2bv]

ball, zen, pharah kind of work though

[@and16942]

@@gus-df2bv kind of but very vulnerable to any regular comp. Can’t brawl or dive and no protection to poke

[@jackobatgaming]

I don't see Brig being any kind of support answer to Dva. Yeah her healing can't be eaten, so there's that, but with the tank resistance to boops and Dva's very short booster cooldowns whipshot isn't really making any significant distance, and if Dva decides to dive Brig micro missiles is eating her shield with no problem and dva is killing her. The reality is Dva's DM is extremely problematic and there isn't much supports can do against DVA. If you team can't keep her in check there isn't much you can do about it as a support.

[@slowcrafted5002]

Silver take

[@jackobatgaming]

@@slowcrafted5002 Show me your game play where Brig counters Dva, thanks.

[@vinci.o7]

watch any owcs or owl game in which a winston ana brig dive comp goes against a dva dive comp, chances are that DVA isnt getting much value due to the strong ana brig backline! ​@@jackobatgaming

[@TsuchiGamer06]

QP is important to win but also I've seen everything and any type of comp. As long as the person isn't going 1-11 and wasting everyone's time, I can't say anything lol

[@artisticaddler6048]

If i had a nickel for everytime a tank main complained about healing diff when they were constantly out of position...I'd have a lot more than two nickels

[@wolfhound146]

As a newer player I would disagree with you to a degree on quickplay. First as you know you have to meet a standard just to get access to competitive. Then as you don't know what you are doing you are trying to get experience in playing. How are you supposed to know if it's you or not if you have 2-3 players slacking off? I get it from your side that it's just to chill. Though when you haven't really been in competitive much or in the beginning at all, how do you then get the experience needed to start diving in? If you are going to play the game then play. As someone is trying to get the foot in the door I feel like you should be setting the tone. At least play a solid bronze or silver. Like I understand it's quickplay, but don't throw just because it's quickplay.

[@whateverlol93]

Hacking health packs gives your location away, is extremely loud and she always makes a stupid voice line. There is context, when you roll out at the start and the enemy doesn't know where you are: don't hack any packs, go for the kill or harassment. Hack only if you know you will be chased and you need that multiple times. You don't even need to hack if you aren't being chased, you can pick one pack and let natural regeneration kick in. Hack if you are already discovered; to deny people from taking it to heal your virus, which might even prevent a kill. Hack when there're enemy Hammonds or Tracer or just anyone who relies on those highly, but your first order of priority is not to go and hack packs. In fact, don't even go pick up packs. A lot of higher leveled players shoot at packs to "spy check" all the time, especially if you're low. Some of them play Sombra themselves and can easily guess what you're doing. Just go the other way and let regeneration tick in. Or if you have a LW or Ana, they might even sneak a heal in from afar. People who say QP is for fun and "so what" when you lose due to them, that's just being selfish. Sure. Quickplay has no stakes and is the 'casual mode'. But you're "having fun" at the expense of four, or even nine other people. That is pure self-entitlement. And let's be real, there is no way you're having fun when you're potentially inciting flame from your teammates, being laughed by enemies in all chat, constantly seeing a gray respawn screen and eventually the "Defeat" screen. If you don't care enough cause you barely play OW, it's still the same level of self-entitlement and selfishness. Honestly, if you're not great at the game it's whatever, or barely play. But if you're just trolling and doing things that're clearly not going to work "because it's QP", that's not okay. Most support players can play well when unchecked, many of them crumble under pressure. So yeah do what KarQ said and pressure them, some LW players jump off their platform at the slightest bit of damage, when they could've been relatively safe there compared to jumping down. And they just jump right into the fight reactionarily. Many Mercy players are crouch spammers and will always fly up when shot at, even though they shouldn't. You can force out Suzu from so many jumpy Kiriko players just by shooting them a bit.

[@poorlovell16]

So it's the same issue where KZbinrs were saying stop healing as support. Not explaining to lower skill players that it meant don't be a heal bot. It's amazing to me that a lot of KZbinrs lack the ability to articulate. I've had some of the dumbest arguments because of that.

[@poorlovell16]

If stop healing mean't do zero healing Moira would have been SS+ tier support.

[@vgpowerlord]

Speaking of getting caught on things, I'm surprised by how often Blizzard map designers put little things sticking out. I haven't played Team Fortress 2 in like 7 years now, but one thing I DO remember about it is that it had a lot less debris and corners tended to be flush so you wouldn't catch on them. The corners that weren't flush were sometimes clipped (i,e, invisible walls that were slanted inwards) so you'd sorta slide into the doorway if you backed into the wrong spot.

[@FelonOW]

I checked your amazon store for the wireless buds youre using for these videos but cant find them. Do you mind dropping what they are or a link to find them karq ?

[@thedude0000]

I never get upset by what people play in QP. It's the ppl that purposely throw, feed or just stand around emoting....those irritate me.

[@rondiggity1677]

Try hard in comp: respect. Try hard in QP: losers

[@bigfudge2031]

You can play whatever you want in QP, but if you are going to play Reaper on Junkertown and run it down mid 1v5 then I will be annoyed. As long as you are trying to play your character properly and not going in alone I don't mind.

[@Outcastic]

oh no I recognize mostt of these posts, where did i go wrong

[@samuelm4021]

Most health packs are not easily accessible during combat unless you’re ball so I’d say you’re wasting time when you can be doing other things. In 5v5 your team is probably dying by the time you hack certain health packs.

[@overpoweredcrew1604]

karq, i have played too many games with that exact comp you spat out for the worst comp :)

[@Flyzoola]

Before I even watch the video, to answer the title question: You dont want to take away support ult from your support players Healthpacks aren't in fight routes usually. If a ball or doom is present you hack to keep him from healing, but not to heal your team usually.

[@callmecold5182]

16% hanzo headshot at 64 hours

[@d4nt3z0r]

It is questron I bet He wont hack packs, allways engage in figths with translocator on cooldown, dies because of that I dont get adice for someone who plays like that, even if he top 500

[@nexesses1548]

Because you have better things to do as Sombra, far more value to be found elsewhere. Yeah it’s easy and it’s free, but rarely is it the best play. But better advice, with this health decrease don’t play Sombra in high ranks lmao, she is horrible.

[@Snowshill]

so for me yes QP isn't meant to be competitive, but I at least want it to not be a miserable experience so if you pick ball or doom as tank, brigit lucio or mercy as heals, or widow hanzo dps, I expect from the get go itll be miserable because unless you are god tier top 500 with them you are going to be dead weight, or leroy jenkins into the enemy team then blame heals while trying to 1v5 them while everyone else is still at spawn, or spam super jumps and fkly throguh the entier enemy team to get that "clutch res" while using your super to blaster. outsides that I get people might be practicing their les used characters but please if you 0 kill 1 assist to 50 deaths because you are being out sniped by their widows please swap for crying out loud, you cant be having fun doing that so don't make everyone else game worse just to get that tiktoc montage -.-

[@AvatarKid4]

I hack all mega when ball is running a muck!

[@danielgertler5976]

You should try to win at QP but its not like comp where if you're not winning you should bad mouth people. What I don't get, though, is people playing QP and their team is getting rolled and they don't even try something different. Yeah, its not comp, but why wouldn't you want to try something different to win?

[@Alexrabieta]

I had an idiot on my team tell me it's disrespectful playing Sombra on quick play like mf I play who tf I want.

[@avopeac6300]

don't hack a health pack before you show yourself, everyone can see you hack it so you lose a free pick basically