Also can we end the hatred against stud/stud or butch/butch relationships?? Like wtf are we homophobic against ourselves now?? On another note, you've been coming out with all the hard truths lately and I love it 🔥
@ladyredl32104 жыл бұрын
I'm here for any and all pairings! Studs and butches should be able to date whoever.
@sAMiAm14 жыл бұрын
Facts. It’s crazy.
@TheModernAlchemix4 жыл бұрын
Word, all this petty shit gotta end ♥️
@VaporRize084 жыл бұрын
I don't date studs. My preference is femme women and I'm femme. So I don't think anybody should have issues with butch/butch love. There's little issue with femme/femme.
@ladyredl32104 жыл бұрын
@@VaporRize08 agree. Although I'll never not date someone because of butches/stems identify.
@ViktoriaLove934 жыл бұрын
I was on a date with a femme once (I'm femme myself) and when I mentioned I thought someone (forget who it was, but was referring to a butch lesbian) was hot, the date gets the most repulsed look on her face and goes...."Ummmm, I'm a LeSssbiAn.....which means I like......wOmeNnn." Did NOT go on a second date, lol. So yes, toxic femme drag, please and thank you.
@conradkorbol4 жыл бұрын
I am a man so I can’t speak for lesbians, but I find that toxic femininity job in straight culture is to perpetuate toxic masculinity. I have heard more women tell me what it means to be a man then I have heard men tell. Toxic masculinity tends to police femininity in straight culture. So I notice that in straight culture the toxicity is to enforce gender normative behavior. It sounds like maybe that’s the same with lesbian culture? Although maybe gender normative is the wrong language. I am trying to translate it for myself to the closest approximate to my experience. I know nothing is one for one.
@pythonjava62284 жыл бұрын
Conrad Korbol I think that's true for straight culture. I've seen _both_ men and women say a man has to perform a specific kind of masculinity to be a "real" man. And men who are masculine tend to have this mentality that it makes them superior to men and women that perform femininity. That mentality is reinforced by both genders.
@ViktoriaLove934 жыл бұрын
@@conradkorbol I agree that with hetero culture, toxic femininity and toxic masculinity are two sides of the same coin that reinforce one another. Interestingly enough, I think it is a little different within lesbian culture. The stigma is that butch/femme relationships are reinforcing gender stereotypes and attempting to immitate hetero gender roles. In response to this stigma and as a way of challenging the notion that homosexual relationships among women simply cannot exist unless one of them is a "man" (i.e. the masculine presenting one) and that the femme might as well date a man since they are just roleplaying anyways, I've noticed a growing push towards femme/femme relationships as a way to justify the lesbian experience. The problem with this is that it ALSO reinforces gender normative stereotypes by claiming that women can only present themselves in a certain way in order to be real women, despite that its intention is to challenge gender stereotypes.
@RJ-hm3vr4 жыл бұрын
Aww man, thats so messed up. I'm a mix of feminine and masculine but I prefer women more feminine than me. There's alot of toxicity with some femmes when it comes to butch lesbians or even lesbians that aren't hyperfemme, basically seeing them as "lesser than". Its just a different style, if youre not into it thats totally fine but what the fuck does that have to do with being a woman?. Ive also seen alot of racism in femmes, having experienced it myself as im Latina
@gwencere93834 жыл бұрын
@@conradkorbol The whole height thing in straight girls is super weird.
@pythonjava62284 жыл бұрын
I think the toxic masculinity convo is necessary for anyone who makes masculinity part of their expression or identity. I've seen a lot of stud lesbians who are very condescending and harass more feminine presenting women. I've witnessed trans guys be very misogynistic to cis women. I'm not in these groups myself but I'm a masculine presenting woman who has previously looked down on more feminine girls. It's an internalised idea that masculinity is superior. That's a big issue
@AJDwatching4 жыл бұрын
well said!
@artchick074 жыл бұрын
I've had many issues with masculine presenting folk not recognizing their role in toxic masculinity.
@quoteme.goddess69574 жыл бұрын
Very well said.
@Slim_Hodge4 жыл бұрын
@Kat i get it. I dont even blame you. I may "look" like a stud but i honestly dont even identify as that...My mother gave me a name and that's my identity lol I have the same gripe against bisexuals not being able to be myself around them but...big BUT im in a relationship with a bisexual femme for almost 3 years and I KNOW* I've found the right one for me lol. Date who best suits you...at the end of the day the clothes come off n we all women.
@corvidox91374 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@mazvitaselemani4 жыл бұрын
I don't get why studs treat women the way studs themselves would not want to be treated by men. Being a woman doesn't not give you the right to cat call other women or to objectify other women. Studs need to know extremely counterintuitive all that is cause honey at the end of the day the system is still gonna treat you like a black woman. We on the same boat chile😅😅
@DvineWakandandian_Warrior4 жыл бұрын
Mazvita Selemani lol society doesn’t treat us the same. Trust and believe we have nigga issues 😭
@bxfbbxcbxc53284 жыл бұрын
I wish a stud cat called me. Only men cat call me, and it pisses me off.
@kuunami4 жыл бұрын
A lot of straight women believe this too. That being a woman gives them the right to abuse men. It's because of "identity politics" "because I'm a member of this supposedly oppressed group I can treat people how ever I want and still be the victim." So they end up behaving worse than their supposed oppressors and feel justified even if the other person treated them well.
@darknight23544 жыл бұрын
@- you're making it sound like women can't do no wrong and that they're all just "pure" and "wholesome" NO, some women are actually fucking abusive and disgusting but for some reason it doesn't get the same backlash compared to how a man would
@lord_xylozdoomsday9594 жыл бұрын
@@darknight2354 everyone sucks
@Juhsentuh4 жыл бұрын
I’m stud but a stud in cursive. -Jade 2020
@destineypinkflower4 жыл бұрын
Put it on a 👕
@ELmayberry4 жыл бұрын
almond milk stud
@spazzt.v.25643 жыл бұрын
Son that’s shit had me ☠️🤣🤣🤣
@soso-mx8nb3 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo I'm stealing this.
@user-gk2sc4ky4i4 жыл бұрын
"And about sports bra culture" i had to yell shut up 1 min in bc im already being attacked lmao
@user-gk2sc4ky4i4 жыл бұрын
wheres the links btw i do want to read though
@ashleysolantro46114 жыл бұрын
LMFAO 🤣 same omg
@ELmayberry4 жыл бұрын
@inSherlock same
@zenzibell4 жыл бұрын
Doberman. Energy. Dead. 💀 And I'm stealing.
@saramichelle60704 жыл бұрын
Right!? Sis had me laughing!
@natalieknight86954 жыл бұрын
😆
@janeeharris50154 жыл бұрын
"You can be as feminine as you want, and still perpetuate toxic masculinity by disguising it as a preference... and try to maintain hetero normative and patriarchy, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! " mmmhmmm C'mon with a word, Jade!
@NallahBrown4 жыл бұрын
Hello!! She better preach!
@i_cxndy0714 Жыл бұрын
It's real talk🤞🏽💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@AnimeAngel1154 жыл бұрын
On a side note, I would love a Jade's Best Stud Jokes complication 😂
@iamjadefox4 жыл бұрын
*clicks pen*
@Only_eros4494 жыл бұрын
Issa Multifandomed same😂
@adriennewatson81444 жыл бұрын
This should totally be a thing please
@tiramisubabe70554 жыл бұрын
My exact thoughts when I saw the title🤣
@emoryrubyg96313 жыл бұрын
Yesss! This!
@pythonjava62284 жыл бұрын
Stud with almond milk 😂
@ritamarie80184 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@chexyface134 жыл бұрын
Stud in cursive 😂😂😂
@smilealwaysnatasha34234 жыл бұрын
Lol I was like why does that make sense haha
@_SkyeLer4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Rayraykad4 жыл бұрын
Lol cannot wait for the femme version. This was a very nice discussion
@artisticlaughter19934 жыл бұрын
I think masculinity is so soaked in toxicity that it’s almost impossible to embrace your masculine side without embracing the toxicity that comes along with it. I think once we break down the original foundation of what masculinity is and than rebuild it, so that it can INCLUDE healthy ways of maneuvering we will see a big change all the way around. Thanks for this conversation Jade, I’ve been a fan for a very long time. You’re incredible! ❤️
@iamsiimply_tye4 жыл бұрын
This comment! 💕 Very well stated. I agree:)
@ajujuadoidoi4 жыл бұрын
Yes. YES. Exactly! Thank you for this comment!
@artisticlaughter19934 жыл бұрын
Frieda Livery Always❤️❤️
@TheLunablackheart4 жыл бұрын
I think that people think that masculinity is all this toxic shit, but really they're just adopting toxic masculinity, not masculinity. Eg toxic masculinity is talking about women in a dehumanising and derogatory way that objectifies them. AS WELL AS talking down on all femininity as if it's something weak and stupid. Getting into a relationship and enforcing gender roles. Repressing emotions and replacing it with gruffness. -- the people who adopt traits like this aren't adopting masculinity but rather toxic masculinity. I'm more masculine then feminine in some ways - fashion and voice - but I'm one of the biggest feminists I know and I encourage and celebrate all girls and women and the entire gender expression spectrum - from very feminine, to very masculine, and all in between.
@s.stasiaa4 жыл бұрын
This is so well stated. 👏🏾
@JekyllJester4 жыл бұрын
I would also like to add how classism could play a potential factor. From my experience, most studs who possess more toxic traits tend to come from working/lower class background compared to studs I've met from more upper class backgrounds. I feel like when coming from underprivileged background, you're more vulnerable to misogynoir, thus finding either liberation or shielding through the appropriation of more "masculine" traits to protect and uplift oneself. Even its toxic ones.
@FluorescentRebel4 жыл бұрын
Yes. People subconsciously still see the rhetoric of Male White Supremacy as the ultimate place. What's better than a black woman with dark skin? A light skinned woman with curly hair. Or just a white woman. And slap on curves because she has to be appealing to the senses. Then make the stud macho as hell... it's a whole mess.
@disse99814 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, class is a big factor people forget, which goes hand in hand with location/environment factor that Jade touched on.
@essflem4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the toxic masculinity just looks different in ppl from different socioeconomic backgrounds
@sirenthomas45954 жыл бұрын
yassssssss the studs from the hood are more "diet men" than suburban raised ones but ofen with them they like their male counterparts only date non bw so theres that....i thank God im open to dating all races
@TheNial1204 жыл бұрын
PLEASE DO TOXIC FEMS PLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE!
@TheNial1204 жыл бұрын
@Allison C i guess you could call me a stem with cursive lol. But my last gf expected meto just be this overly masculine thing and it's like GIRL..... I'm a GIRLLLLLLLLL lol
@prudence82774 жыл бұрын
@@TheNial120 same but im a stud
@lalaishappyyy4 жыл бұрын
Nia Amani You can be a girl but also being masculine??? You don’t have to shame the girl for what she likes. She clearly happens to like masculine girls and you aren’t it, get over it.
@ChandraBabyface4 жыл бұрын
@@lalaishappyyy She ain't shaming her tho. She's just the girl tries to force her into something she not.
@kaylalangston27814 жыл бұрын
She’s really preaching on the expression some of us studs take in to be accepted in certain spaces around black men. I’ve notice that since I came out in HS and start dressing like my true self. PLUS a lot of black men, will treat you weird and cast you out as an “other” because you don’t adopt this type of toxic masculinity/“play the role” with them because you’re a stud. Since I dress masculine but I’m very balanced with my femininity and masculinity, but I don’t agree with a lot of things black men say when comfortable around. They’ll then treat me weird BECAUSE I won’t “act” like them. PLUS there’s ALOT of fems who in my opinion push this narrative on us. Too many want us to have this tough guy persona like we’re not WOMEN TOO. Most say they are “attracted” to studs but they’re really attracted to the studs who display a certain persona inside of individuality.
@kaylalangston27814 жыл бұрын
*comfortable around me.
@kaylalangston27814 жыл бұрын
*instead
@melodrama14014 жыл бұрын
Hella Facts
@sAMiAm14 жыл бұрын
Facts. I’ve had men say something like “you acting like a girl”....I be like I am a girl and they go “you know what I mean”....um no sir I don’t.
@saramichelle60704 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you're saying, but I LOVE a balanced female...I am attracted to masculine women but WOMEN....if that makes sense?
@pinkcashmeres4 жыл бұрын
The way Jade been eating up the girls lately.....lord 😭
@myrilunalee99994 жыл бұрын
YO!!! This was a WHOLE new perspective that I didn't think about; that escaping from the cultural role of black womanhood (aka, "the culturally oppressed ones") could be a reason for a stud embracing toxic masculinity. That... wow....
@Risse32234 жыл бұрын
“Whatchyall really want” DMX voice TOOK ME OUT! 😂😂😂😂😂
@skinnyminnieog4 жыл бұрын
I swear🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TheLeslieMichelle4 жыл бұрын
Some studs see femininity as a weakness and equate masculinity with strength. Some would rather take on masculine roles to show their dominance, and it is a regional thing. On the East coast, studs want to be taken seriously and accepted, not just by women, but by men too (who may still see them as being women regardless how studs present themselves).
@NallahBrown4 жыл бұрын
"Y'all get together & try to maintain this heteronormativity and this patriarchy which doesn't make any sense girllll because you don't benefit from it." 🗣 SPEAKKKK
@raneslowly4 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@popcorn13044 жыл бұрын
Please do a femme version of this. I'm ready to get dragged! Edit: I'm looking to get into these links you were talking about. This was a great video topic.
@nicolemcqueen43384 жыл бұрын
I was just telling the last femme I talked to that she didn’t know how to apologize lol like legit would do and say disrespectful shit and then say everything BUT “I’m sorry” smh
@emmanuelaadebisi57434 жыл бұрын
Same!! Aha
@jadegemsss4 жыл бұрын
Ooooh yeah, I want to see what behaviors we as femmes need to work out.
@lalaishappyyy4 жыл бұрын
Nicole McQueen Good for you, you met a bad person that happened to be femme? But the way you’re taking it and trying to use it to say that all femmes have issues is fucking stupid.
@ReptilianTeaDrinker3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as a femme myself, same. lol Like, some femmes can be just as toxic as masc presenting sapphics.
@ladyl3344 жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about this for the past few days after seeing a lot of headlines and videos about studs abusing their partners and worse. The toxic masculinity comes with the obsession and possessiveness and entitlement that soooo many men act like they have. So we see all of these situations of literal physical abuse and worse but a lot of people don't take it seriously because it's two women. Now flip this to abusive femmes and you have the toxic masculinity they uphold because they want their partners to be "tough." And also physical, mental, and emotional abuse from femmes to studs but in those situations people forget that studs are women too and act like they are supposed to be tough and take it. Which is not the best line of thinking in heterosexual relationships either! Bottom line is keep ya hands off people and be nice and if you can't be nice be mean and toxic by your lonesome!
@bendemare52703 жыл бұрын
You preach😌.
@elibuledi51524 жыл бұрын
Fun fact Butch and fem as words came from black lesbians too.Chapter one in the book "we can't have nice things"
@KjHodge4 жыл бұрын
Not surprised! By Who?
@ELmayberry4 жыл бұрын
really
@user-mb9nm7bq5e4 жыл бұрын
I both do and don’t believe you. Source?
@Noodles4Anime4 жыл бұрын
And yet they are still people in the black community saying bullshit like "LGBT+ is just a white thing pushed onto black people to ruin us." Sigh.. 🙄
@toxoplasmagondi3 жыл бұрын
@@Noodles4Anime that's so funny bc lgbt+ black ppl have (as far as i know, and i don't know much tbh) contributed to the community way more than white ppl.
@Beautyishername824 жыл бұрын
I’m bi I’ve been left out of the conversation so I’m not even sure if this comment will stand. However what I can say is when speaking of toxicity period we must recognize the mainstream programming that’s been running in the minds of those who are lost. This is the main issue today, no matter what or who you are masculinized or feminized both are heavily manipulated and used towards one another for self gratification reasons. This is a bigger issue in its entirety I’m glad the conversation is happening in all communities it’s time.
@iamjadefox4 жыл бұрын
thank you for this note, i agree. def going to go more into that in the next one.
@mackay49084 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you said BUT haven’t you been left out because the convos about lesbians.
@thotcrimez42524 жыл бұрын
@@mackay4908 Bisexual studs do exist and femmes are sometimes bisexual. They do end up dating or in relationships.
@bubbles48974 жыл бұрын
Siramad Backwards studs apply to lesbians....not bisexuals
@melissaselina40074 жыл бұрын
@@thotcrimez4252 NO. Fems are Lesbian. Like Butch. Bisexuals can NOT be Femme. They are just féminine.
@jan4qu364 жыл бұрын
I want to agree with you and I do. I have been asked and criticized for dressing like a man. Then one day someone was bold enough to actually ask me why I dress like a man and why is it that when women dress like men (lesbians) they dress like baggy clothes and 'ugly' looking clothes. At first I wanted to be angry and yell at him but then I just took the opportunity to consider that he genuinely wanted to know. It's not that women want to be men it is as Jade said them escaping sexism, joining their community would excuse you from being not only a victim but just a form of self expression. The way they dress is them showing you their perception of manliness. So what they see studs, tomboys or masculine females do is really just a woman's interpretation of what it is to be a man, body language, dressing, walk, hair cut, communication and all. Also some of us actually dress well but that comes from dressing how you want to dress (no judgement). Everyone knows you wear cloths and not the clothes wear you.
@iamjadefox4 жыл бұрын
you get it
@jan4qu364 жыл бұрын
@@iamjadefox I live it.
@Slim_Hodge4 жыл бұрын
also a lot to do with your financial situation lol also finding male clothing that fits properly...im more on the petite side and it took a while to find clothes that fit...it sucks but hey i recognized boys clothes is a hack for me lol
@stephelizabeth4 жыл бұрын
So far we have stud with fabric softener, zero calorie stud and now stud with almond milk? I can’t, goodnight 😂✌🏾
@ELmayberry4 жыл бұрын
😂😂 can't forget about the stud in cursive
@Azurekate4 жыл бұрын
“Doberman energy” made me snort water up my nose oh my god it hurts
@anitashortz25544 жыл бұрын
I love your perception on stud reasoning. As in the meaning behind why they are why they are. Like I never knew how to put that thought into words but you have. Thanks Jade😊. Your take on toxic studs and their attempt on gaining patriarchal privilege by behaving/ disguising as male is really riveting. Great stuff Jade! Thank you🙌🏿
@KearaGraves3 жыл бұрын
this is a super interesting video, shedding light on things that basically never get talked about. always love your content ❤️
@itsarali3 жыл бұрын
Hi Keara love your videos! Glad to see wlw creators watching and supporting each other!
@katwilliams29504 жыл бұрын
I vibe with stud in cursive!!! I would love a toxic fem vid
@amketique4 жыл бұрын
me too!
@ladyredl32104 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of toxic femininity is split between 50s housewife stuff, and TERFs. But again just my experience, everyone else please chime in if you want.
@ajujuadoidoi4 жыл бұрын
@@ladyredl3210 - good point! I am also thinking about the idea of subscribing to hetero gender roles as was often done in the 40s, one partner covering the role of the "provider" and the other the "homemaker", wearing a dress and suit at their wedding, calling themselves a top and bottom, etc. (ie, the "Who's the man in the relationship??" conversation) These things are not negative in and of themselves, but they can solidify the standard that all relationships must be a certain way, so visibility of relationships that simply look different is very important for awareness. "Two women in a relationship who don't express their gender in a polarized way, who don't identify with a certain label?! How would that even work?" 😂😅
@ladyredl32104 жыл бұрын
@@ajujuadoidoi exactly
@Sugon-694 жыл бұрын
@N are you okay man? You really seem to be putting a lot of effort in trying to get a rise out of people, that's not a healthy coping mechanism. You deserve better than flame wars
@joannweaver97454 жыл бұрын
The conversation around toxic masculinity and toxic femininity in our community is a discussion Im glad we’re having
@Tatiana14514 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about how Jade has been in her damn bag lately?! The content was always been great but these conversations...I feel nourished, enriched and we love to see it
@FluffyMuffinz954 жыл бұрын
You should address colorism in the LGBTQ community
@cynthiar19774 жыл бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@g0blinslayer4 жыл бұрын
Yessss i remember watching this one tik tok where a stud said she only or prefers dating light skins and i was just like: so um we finna unfollow
@ellawood15933 жыл бұрын
👏🏽
@inkheart20073 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@naturalnotnormal33673 жыл бұрын
Trust
@chefbyblood40354 жыл бұрын
This was goody Jade. I identify as a stud and a black woman yet I never knew that the term was derived from us! The way you spoke on this topic was life. Thanks for the good content..
@Ria-sd2ex4 жыл бұрын
Jade, you stay on point with very thoughtful analysis and I appreciate it cursive-stud sis❤️❤️❤️. I feel like it's so ingrained in our community. We refuse to even come close to dealing with sexism and homophobia in our community. And if one of us calls it out (almost perfect example of J. Cole/noname situation), we're criticized as "talking down on our own". The whole thing gets turned around and the actual issue is ignored again, because we're gaslighting each other into thinking women's issues and LGBT+ issues are completely irrelevant compared to issues of race. When nothing could be further from the truth.
@nciscrazier4 жыл бұрын
“I don’t know if your zumiez bandana is just cuttin off too much circulation up near the top bun” 😂😂😂
@Unbound_Soul77 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@mackay49084 жыл бұрын
The way some toxic femmes want you to actually just be a man. Please date men if you want men!
@myasmith18203 жыл бұрын
Can you please explain your claim more? I am generally curious because no one talks about what us femmes need to do.
@TT-xz5sy3 жыл бұрын
Yeah no one talks about this. Almost every den I’ve dated wanted me to have this overly masculine “bad boy” persona. None of them could except that I had a balance of both energies, I couldn’t show any emotion or I was a “bitch”.
@1983shawty3 жыл бұрын
@@TT-xz5sy just keep being you, as long as you walk your truth, if whoever's ur dating wants you to be something that ur not, then leave th immediately.
@lavonnealexander69363 жыл бұрын
@@TT-xz5sy I totally agree with you, that’s why I say I am stem instead of stud. I feel sorry for men and studs.
@bluebutterflyofdoom4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! My ex was a stud and she was extremely controlling. She had it in her head that since she was a stud, she couldn't wear women's clothing or act too feminine in any way, and she forced me to be more feminine than I felt comfortable being, because in her head, I had to be a "femme" even though I didn't identify that way. I knew she had a lot of internalized homophobia but I didn't know how to tell her that. She even threw out some of my clothing because it was menswear and she said it was "unflattering". I'm sort of more in the middle as far as gender expression. I remember telling her I thought I wanted to explore being a drag king. That was a big no.
@DvineWakandandian_Warrior3 жыл бұрын
She wasn't wrong.
@lavonnealexander69363 жыл бұрын
That is crazy ! I am more of stem then stud because I still like men’s and women’s wear.
@bendemare52703 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm sorry you went throught that, she was really abusive You deserved better than that internalised misoginy.
@becoollikefonzie80073 жыл бұрын
She sounds like an insecure, ignorant prick. Basicslly just trying to replicate toxic heteronormative ideals. I've met s few insecure gay women like this, it's sad but they've just internalised a lot of the misogyny they see and experience
@anadd61952 жыл бұрын
She was abusive!
@SkoolieBoyQue4 жыл бұрын
"Doberman Energy..." 🤔🤔🤔😅😅😅🤣
@tianamatson4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea STUD was a racial specific term. I totally thought it was just the dapper side of butch. Intrigue. I also find it interesting that gay men identifying classify themselves by body type and gay women identifying classify themselves by style and personality.
@bxfbbxcbxc53284 жыл бұрын
Gay guys classify by body type? Is it like twink=skinny/petite Otter is medium And Bear is lumberjack?
@elizabethoconnor14934 жыл бұрын
As a 110lb, ultra marathoner lesbian, not exactly...generalizations don't look good on anyone bb
@juicyjesstv4 жыл бұрын
It's not.
@horrorfan20004 жыл бұрын
bxfb bxcbxc But stud and butch aren’t so different from some each other.To straight people’s point of you they all look the same. Just like ever straight person thinks all gay men are fem/drag queen types and don’t acknowledge that masc gay men exist.
@nikitaluke79733 жыл бұрын
I never knew it was a race thing either
@TheOrny4ever4 жыл бұрын
I love when you talk about serious stuff. I don’t see myself as a stud even though I’m more “masculine-looking” just because I don’t want to be associated with the toxic studs. I’m glad that you addressed this topic, I thought I was the only one having the same thoughts as you 😌
@pg-if3sm4 жыл бұрын
Same. I have locs and dress "masculine" cause it's my preference, comfort-wise. And seeing how locs is a more common style now, it's become a thing where I see the post "studs with locs are toxic" more and more.
@blacklez4 жыл бұрын
Nah same. I’m pretty masculine, but I won’t identify as a stud cause it seems like it comes with this whole attitude that’s 🥴
@karminyates32614 жыл бұрын
Thank you for touching on this 💕✨ I was wondering when someone was going to talk about it. I always noticed that there’s a a lot of studs in the black community and when you look outside of other communities you see that there are definitely more femmes and I think it has to do with the environment ; if you live in the hood I think it’s hard to perform femininity and also not be accessible to men.
@Twelly934 жыл бұрын
I agree. All people of lower classes tend to come off more aggressive in my opinion. I grew up middle class and have always noticed the difference
@thotcrimez42524 жыл бұрын
@@Twelly93 It's not every hood person be mindful of that.
@karminyates32614 жыл бұрын
@@Twelly93 I'm from the hood. Don't assume we're all the same. It's classiest and doesn't improve are material condition. Not sorry if my hoodness offends you.
@Twelly934 жыл бұрын
@@thotcrimez4252 yeah I know. That's why I said "tend" to show that it wasn't an absolute
@Twelly934 жыл бұрын
@@karminyates3261 I said "tend" to show it wasn't everyone. Also I never said the aggression I noticed was offensive just expressing what I observed and why it may be the case
@britton3004 жыл бұрын
Stud in cursive 😭😭
@KaliyahKayoni4 жыл бұрын
Before I start this damn video (lol), Imma start off with saying (most) studs try to emulate what stereotypical heterosexual relationships perceive to be when it comes to gender-roles. It usually ends up with the more “masculine” woman demeaning and abusing the more “feminine” woman. This has always been the topic of conversation my ‘fem’ friends who date masculine woman always bring up to me🤷🏾♀️. It never fails to come up on how they can be Selfish, Controlling and Paranoid; But they never seem to leave because they think that’s what love is or they just adapted to it (kinda like heterosexual women in abusive relationships). I’ve always dated & talked other ‘Fems’ so I never ran into these types of situations personally (not saying all women can’t have toxic qualities like this), but I couldn’t imagine always finding myself constantly in these situations. I don’t know why it’s like this but y’all therapy is a option for EVERYONE🤷🏾♀️...
@yungchru4 жыл бұрын
Studs typically emulate the worst representations of black men
@Unbound_Soul77 ай бұрын
Most Black men represent themselves bad.
@otherwords13754 жыл бұрын
Feels like there's a complicated line here. I don't disagree that many people refine or modulate their flavor of masculinity in order to better put up a protective shield (against structurally oppressive forces), but for many, masculinity itself is not a conscious or unconscious strategy. It is just who they are. As long as we have notions of "femininity" and "masculinity," defined socially, aesthetically, and behaviorally, there will be people who organically align with one or the other, at the level of personality. And anecdotally, I think many GNC women who end up benefitting from some fraction of "male privilege" had an acute sense of gendered difference starting nearly from early childhood, and see their masculinity as integral to who they are.
@DankScole2 жыл бұрын
2 years later and KZbin recommended this when i needed it most.
@LoviesLife4 жыл бұрын
Something funny is i didn't know stud was a term for black masc women, and i have only ever referred to them as studs. never in my life called a white Butch a stud bc it just doesn't fit 😂
@badkarma38284 жыл бұрын
I still remember when in my conservative town i met that girl. I was like "yeah a fellow lesbian" and then she start talking bad about fem girls, she was even homophobic to gay men. 🤢🤢
@t.deshawn65194 жыл бұрын
I think your explanation of why some studs are toxic is perfect. When I was a stud (I'm ftm) I always wanted to be the opposite of toxic. I thought if I could treat a girl with all the love and respect my mom deserves, then I'm a better choice than some dude. And bc of that, I've always been seen as "soft" or not a man, and generally don't fit in well in black communities
@lavonnealexander69363 жыл бұрын
Smh 🤦🏿 same!
@archduchessmathildaofaustr9235 Жыл бұрын
Bro soft boy supremacy
@Deborahstormfoster4 жыл бұрын
Why do I hate the term STUD so much? I'm a gay woman and it just reminds me of animal husbandry.
@Mabhonzoo4 жыл бұрын
Deborah Foster 😅
@nightfighter74524 жыл бұрын
🐎
@bunmi48763 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@LogeerhuisyeaASVZ4 ай бұрын
Give me a fine stud
@cheche99494 жыл бұрын
from what I've seen (in videos of this kind) being black is very tough BUT being a black woman, AND A LESBIAN must be the toughest one. Ive seen people repidetly say being a black woman is the hardest and i agree, there is colorism in their own community against them, so many stereotypes, racism, sexism and with studs you need to have Homophobia there too? that horrible and honestly i kinda understand toxic behaviour when the world is against you...
@psychokitty4446 ай бұрын
Black and trans seems like a tough one too.
@Jstherebrowsing4 жыл бұрын
I love how you delved into this topic. I have a friend who is the poster child for toxic masculinity in studs and I never fully understood. I took certain aspects of her life into consideration and just lumped it as “that’s just how she is” but this was beautifully stated, makes so much sense, and gives me a lot to think about with my relationship with studs as a fem.
@chazthomas1234 жыл бұрын
What a great discussion Jade, more of this please! Also, there are fems that definitely feed into this nonsense. I'm what I guess would be considered a stem but was more masculine than my ex and she looked at me as the "man" in the relationship. So she had certain expectations behind that and I wouldn't be surprised if some studs are hyper masculine because it's what the women they are into want. Our experience as black women is so nuanced and I feel like this conversation could truly take up more than one video. I would love if it was extended to maybe Arrows and Amber and other masculine presenting women of color.
@velmajones51294 жыл бұрын
I sometimes get the feeling that our communities tend to reproduce gender roles that are even more rigid than in the straight world.
@kittyykatie3 жыл бұрын
facts
@everythingispolitics6526 Жыл бұрын
💯. It's because they can customize to fit their ideas of an ideal gender role. It's unfortunate.
@mrssarkazz4 жыл бұрын
Sports bra culture 😭😭😭
@aldik_dj4 жыл бұрын
*bra 😂
@mrssarkazz4 жыл бұрын
@@aldik_dj typo you know what I meant thanks though
@aldik_dj4 жыл бұрын
SARKAZZ VLOGS lls yea, you’re welcome
@theregosmiley59443 жыл бұрын
“Studs can not be white” 😂😂😂 I’ve always said that lol
@stuff17847 күн бұрын
So what do you call the white women who dress and act similarly?
@adaboo094 жыл бұрын
Jade! This is my favorite video of all time. What’s crazy is I just finished reading a chapter from Audre Lorde Where she discusses sadomasochism in the lesbian community and how detrimental it can be to our society. I loved your perspective because you touched on the strategic alignment that some States have with toxic masculinity but it’s important that you say toxic because it can be done in a healthy way but sometimes it’s displayed in a way that can be violent and unnecessary especially because it’s about this Dominant submissive role
@adaboo094 жыл бұрын
This is why I love reading this is why I love the style community this is why I fucks with being black this is why it’s so important for creators to share their thought processes because the consciousness of us all is incredibly intertwined. With this video perhaps you inspired a person a woman who may display some of these toxic traits to question their selves and askThemselves why
@Lisa_Flowers4 жыл бұрын
What chapter did that book come from? Sounds hella interesting
@AbroadonaBudget4 жыл бұрын
This is right on point- so good I watched it twice. I'm a literature teacher and use a collection of music videos, including some Young MA videos, in a gender and sexuality unit to talk about toxic masculinity and internalised misogyny. Time and again, this reference to Young MA and other women performing toxic masculinity is what gets the lights to come on about the difficulties of managing intersectionality, the choices people make to seek protection, or as you said, to get a feeling of "emancipation". All of this is in the wider context of, as you said, how "toxic masculinity is celebrated". I agree with you that the point is not to take down or mock toxic studs, but to understand the complexity behind it (homophobia, misogyny, racism) and see it as another manifestation of a system designed to oppress certain groups who then have to use unhealthy coping mechanisms. And now I'm off to just go binge on your videos.
@jus32782 жыл бұрын
Straight male here who has dated his fair share of Bi women. I tend to try to avoid new terminology like "toxic," because in all honesty we all have experiences (particularly as Black people) that impact our behavior as individuals and relationships and have at some point been toxic to someone in our lives. I will say that the stud home girls that I do have do attempt to escape from their experiences as Black women as the content creator stated. This escape seems to be rooted in shitty relationships with their fathers, physical and sexual abuse, racism and all the other things that Black women experience. However there is an element of it that is somewhat performance, similar to how some gay men or trans men and women tend to lean into the prototypical image of what they see as masculine and feminine. Sometimes my stud homies do more savage shit than a savage male who treats women like shit. Sometimes I feel as if they are trying to prove something to me or men in general and I'm just kinda like "just chill and be yourself." It's a complicated conversation, but one definitely worth discussing.
@QueenLioness844 жыл бұрын
"Looking like a Christmas ham from the knee down"😂🤣😂🤣
@Unique2UGoddess4 жыл бұрын
Preachhhh! I dont consider myself a fem for a lot of the reasons u mentioned about them holding fragile masculinity and calling it a preference, I'm so over gender role and heteronormativity
@ABookMonster184 жыл бұрын
I'm from Boston and recently moved to Atlanta. Dating studs here is rough because of everything you stated in this video! Studs in Atlanta are a different breed.
@augustrenee49064 жыл бұрын
Alyasia Turner talked to an atl stud once and bruh...never again LMAO
@Taromilktea19954 жыл бұрын
August Renée please spill👀
@GordooRP4 жыл бұрын
I used to be HARD UP identifying as stud just to identify with something , then I moved to ATL 😩 lmaoo i said ohhhhh these stud studs , ima head out.
@sirenthomas45954 жыл бұрын
Girl yasss ik one who dogs women so bad I asked her girl you sure you really gay she got mad ...think about it ..there are straight menses who dig women out so bad you wonder if they really like other men so why couldn't it be the same for some studs they really straight but I'm denial and take it out on fems
@saritaramirez6454 жыл бұрын
This was such a good video, Jade! I dated a stud with these ideologies that really put me off over time. It was as though they wanted me to fit their Femme-fantasy that I'm just not. Your video definitely shines a perspective and even more clarity on it. I'm looking forward for the Femmes, or us in between, to get dragged too!
@KTPalyk4 жыл бұрын
Was looking for that "not all studs" comment. Haven't seen it, Hope I don't. This is a very important conversation, it's one think to express masculine traits, but less not copy the negatives fam.
@sophier.50244 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for talking about this!! I've definitely noticed there is a cultural/regional aspect to it, I used to live in a rural area and there was so much more pressure to fill traditional, heterosexual gender roles for lesbians, to make our relationships more palatable/understandable to the rest of the (overwhelmingly straight) community. As a fem who is more often attracted to other fems, it took me moving to a big, liberal city to figure out that that kind of relationship was even an possible, and to be able to experience a gay relationship that didn't have the same toxic power dynamic that accompanies toxic masculinity/femininity.
@MsDedemc4 жыл бұрын
I'm a straight married old head. I just wanted to peek my head in and say I love your channel and perspective. Keep it up boo!!
@SamLogan2154 жыл бұрын
There is no stud from 1970 to give them proper representation today. They are looking at toxic men and continuing the cycle. So, someone has to give studs positive roles to follow. We can follow to be a women or a man because it has been shown since the beginning of time. But this is something fairly new but not new. Only new because it is becoming more mainstream in a negative way. Love who you love. It's all good with me.
@teniyahthomas65874 жыл бұрын
The toxic studs are disliking this video 🤣
@BraveNewBatsheba4 жыл бұрын
“Smack yourself with your lululemons” 🤣🤣🤣 dead
@shaunakbtv42294 жыл бұрын
Dairy free sexiness. Ha!! I'm dead. 😂😂
@SunnySecular4 жыл бұрын
Next video...how these youtube soap operas further push the toxic relationships as "goals"..uh, no.✋🏾
@jal451004 жыл бұрын
👏🏿👏🏿
@Mabhonzoo4 жыл бұрын
Sunny Secular-GenXer 👍
@ShawStace4 жыл бұрын
Jade thank you for being a source of great educational content. As an Asian gay, there isnt a lot of representation or education I can find for my kind. I have been guilty of only watching white youtubers, I was not even aware of the divide ... you bring so much light and I just want to thank you for your amazing content. You have inspired me
@ElmotypeSwag4 жыл бұрын
This is interesting to think about especially with instances where studs in the media HAVE been sexualized still. For example, Young MA and Kodak Black.
@BigBL51504 жыл бұрын
KODAK BLACK??👀
@AJ-db8kc4 жыл бұрын
Instantly subscribed, I had no idea about this social problem although when you think about it it is right before our eyes yet no one realises it
@helixjac23943 жыл бұрын
I am a stem but I was super toxic towards feminine women cause I thought liking pink and makeup made a woman basic, and superficial. I learned over time that liking pink, makeup, and anything feminine is okay and that I was pushing a narrative on myself because of the way I looked. I thought only skinny girls could be girly and I am not skinny, I thought I was too ugly for feminine things as well. I now know that feminity is nothing bad, and makeup is fucking amazing. I love makeup, it's something I am good at. I love doing makeup, my hair, pink is a dope ass color and more but fuck was it hard to accept especially because I used to criticize my own mom who is super feminine, who embraced me and accepted me, she also knows about this stuff. I have apologized and we had a heart to heart. But it was so hard for me and looking back hurts. In another way, the way society looks down on women who are feminine is disgusting. Like in Legally Blonde, she is smart as hell but looked down upon because she is ultra-feminine. Ultra fem or just fem women are looked down upon because they are feminine if a woman has a certain type of nail shape or color, heels to boots, etc. Its dumb as fuck
@chaneydalton55084 жыл бұрын
found you through rose and rosie's video. You are awesome, and it sucks that the algorithm has it so i never found you sooner. i feel like you're channel reminds me a lot of tiffany ferg in how you're both very self-aware intelligent individuals that analyze the internet and culture in ways I never would have thought of. You guys should collab i feel your energys would compliment each other so well.
@amyliataylor4 жыл бұрын
A stud in cursive lmaoo you’re the best !
@Vanessa-tt1ct4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, jade! I found your channel from Rose and Rosie’s video about the video you made about the racial divide between lesbian youtubers and I’m really glad I found you.
@BurningheartofSILVER4 жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video thinking we were gonna be shitting on f*ckbois. Was so confused for like the first 3 minutes, but I stayed, I was educated, and I'm subscribed now. As a black woman myself I feel a little ashamed that I was completely ignorant to this side of our community, but sis I'm here to stay, to be educated, and to understanding more of the lives and experiences of my fellow sisters ✊🏽
@sywitz4 жыл бұрын
Ah it's so refreshing to hear fresh takes on stuff. I haven't thought about this topic through your perspective as a white bi girl. Also off-topic but I really like the fonts you use, I appreciate a nice font. OK that's all.
@icametomakecupcakes714 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on those links. I'm an older lesbian who was brought up in stud/femme culture and it has never worked for me. I am unashamedly a dominant femme which puts me at odds with toxic studs. I'd love to hear more about studs who embrace being "submissive" or "soft".
@luluxinator79354 жыл бұрын
I told u before I’m not gay or lesbian but I’m black & ur personality is awesome so I’ve followed u for years because ur intelligence is needed .ur experience is important ur honesty is appreciated & inside ur head is a cool place & I like to hear it so yea I learned something..kno a few studs can’t ask certain things because I’m not a douche but u clear everything up for me so thanks for opening my mind to this train of thought 💜
@JacindatheGreat4 жыл бұрын
As long any stud I meet NEVER acts like Candace Owens- then we good.
@ZebbeCali4 жыл бұрын
I feel like you are 100% correct. Every word. I live in Atlanta, and have been acquainted and friends with a fair amount of studs and fems.
@cynthiar19774 жыл бұрын
I loved this vibe you are on. Why don't you send out a google form to some studs or femmes with questions on how femmes can be toxic
@tranaelabranche12194 жыл бұрын
I felt this. It makes a lot of sense, it’s a unconscious separation to shield themselves from further criticism. Great talk with all the humor!
@tiffanymercer62694 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I've never identified as a stud because I couldn't identify with all it required. I could never get why I was the only gay in the club during pride not getting my life to Ooouuu by Young MA and you just explained why better than I could. I tried to get into her but she's toxic as fuck and I've never been on them vibes.
@iamchannellingjoy4 жыл бұрын
Glad you're sparking these conversations! Soo important for us to continue deconstructing and demolishing all of these negative traits tied in with masculinity. As someone else in the comments said, we need to build up different, healthy definitions of what masculinity can mean and strive towards that.
@kblearnsspanish4 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I think some studs embrace ideas and stereotypes they feel are just par for the course in order to be respected as masculine. I think studs fall victim to some of the same pressures men do when it comes to proving their authenticity. Some masculine people (men and studs) learn a bit later in life that external validation isn’t necessary and they don’t have to prove anything to anyone. Unfortunately, some never learn this lesson. Especially when, or if, they’re rewarded for the behavior with pussy (women) or comradeship (straight men). Also, it has a lot to do with what the individual (and the community around them) considers to be “masculine.” For some, toxic masculinity is all they know and have ever seen, so it’s what they emulate.
@thespiritofsauntering4 жыл бұрын
So thoughtful. I love you channel!! Agreed!! The having to fit into a butch/stud or femme space to be lesbian for decades only perpetuated what is gross about the binary, the patriarchy and everything heteronormative. Masculinity is absolutely a defence mechanism for many. And perpetuates that masculinity is more powerful. 38, white, baby gay (came out a year ago) and my personal identity fluctuates from just femme of neutral (most of the time) to just masculine of neutral. Thank you Jade.
@evercuriousmichelle4 жыл бұрын
As a 29 year old cis white woman, I realized I was asexual after college. I’m more knowledgeable about ace terms but I just recently realized that romantically I prefer women. So your video is really helping me to define some terms that I’m embarrassed to admit I didn’t know!
@Toonami944 жыл бұрын
Excellent video topic, mate. Very interesting perspective. In my experience of being out and masculine presenting, I never realized we had privileges to start off with. In my experience, being a stud made you a target by men and woman, and makes your life harder than most other folk. Men keep testing you about how masculine you are or keep trying to convert you. Woman have these weird expectations about you when it comes to sex and relationships.Being a gay woman is truly a unique way of experiencing the world, and has its own set of issues most other will not experience. I'm glad i found your video. Cant wait for part 2. Cheers.
@GeniusOfLoveBaby4 жыл бұрын
The way that “What Y’all Really Want?!!” Translated was 👌🏾
@deelite7324 жыл бұрын
What your saying is prob definitely true today.. I am a lot older so I remember being masculine centered in the early 2000’s and back then it was not as accepted .. most people believed you just wanted to be a man and you were ugly so you became “manly..” But it was more about identifying with a particular lifestyle and exercising a certain level of masculinity because it was comfortable and normal to you... also a lot of Black women unfortunately don’t have Black men in their lives so they view certain heightened extreme masculine behaviors as normal, such as violent aggressiveness or male promiscuity ... They don’t understand what it means to be a Positive Black Man and how that differs from the toxic.. I always enjoyed being a woman “” but I enjoy presenting myself as androgynous and/or masculine because of my self awareness not because of alignment to men to escape being a woman.. I feel some studs may fall into that and also may see being feminine as weak because they have several oppressions to fight... Great analysis ! I enjoyed the video!
@annate43474 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of masculine women/studs experience forms of homophobia that femmes don't deal with, and that makes the topic difficult to people like me... I never really want to rag on a group that already gets targeted so much. But I do think that there needs to be space to address this stuff.
@saltybird4 жыл бұрын
Fuck I am so happy I watched your Race Issue between White/Black lesbian YTers, NOW youtube is finally recommending your videos to me and I see this gem of a video and opened my damn eyes to shit I've been thinking about but never heard people really talk about. Subbed now and gonna catch up on what i've been missing!
@TatyanaMorena4 жыл бұрын
These reasons are why I’m single 😭 I’m attracted to studs which most have been toxic and manipulative 🙃
@iamjadefox4 жыл бұрын
nice lol
@skinnyminnieog4 жыл бұрын
Poor thing smfh lol🤣🤦🏾♀️
@victoriadotie49463 жыл бұрын
Sameeeee I love studs but the ones I attract always got fuckin issues 🙄
@ourportuguesehomestead4 жыл бұрын
I LOVED this deepdive/think piece. Do make a part two if you feel like it, you make some very good points and would love to hear more
@onlyoneshere3 жыл бұрын
i feel like when experimenting with masculinity it’s very easy to fall into a toxic mindset and think that being misogynistic is a way of achieving it. not only does this happen with studs, as in a lot of transmacline circles toxic masculinity is a problem. A lot of young trans men believe denouncing women and feminine trans men is a way to achieve said masculinity. it’s a very easy thing to fall into, glad i was able to avoid it whilst discovering myself. love this video
@hollywhatnow32634 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that you’re talking about things that need to be discussed. I appreciate that so much. Tell em girl