why are teachers calling out gen z?

[@nynaallen4373]

def think this is a more of a problem with gen alpha rather than gen z.

[@kc-ku1ri]

@@HatoriSeonthis seems like a way for millennials to deflect the actual issues of teachers being underpaid and schools being understaffed + underfunded, not to mention they aren’t the ones who had to do schooling during covid, alot of gen z which are either late highschoolers or college students had their education affected due to having restrictive virtual learning and lack of socialization. Every generation loves to degrade that next one as a type of ageist superiority complex, i remember when boomers did the exact same thing.

[@loveinstars]

@@HatoriSeonmaybe younger gen z, like 13 year olds. but most gen z was in middle or high school during online learning. (gen alpha starts at 2010, so most are in elementary or middle school)

[@HatoriSeon]

@@loveinstars true treu

[@kc-ku1ri]

@@HatoriSeonyeah if you’re gonna go with the “some people” logic you could easily make that a general statement instead of using gen z as a scapegoat. making it a “some gen z is horrible” issue completely deflects the actual issue, which is a failing school system (especially when most of gen z already graduated highschool)

[@PossibleBat]

@@kc-ku1ritf you want millennials to do, we have no power. We were the last generation to be raised both analog and digital. The internet is the big culprit here. And I love the internet, but giving children free unrestricted access to it, it’s making them stupid. If you learn things in the wrong way it’s going to affect you for life. The internet was supposed to be a fountain of knowledge. It just ended up making stupid people more stupid. Imo no one below the age of 18 should have access to the internet without adult supervision. But that’s extremely difficult to enforce because the harm is already done, the internet exists and it’s too late to stop it’s influence. Teachers have always been underpaid. Parents have always spoiled their children and kids have always disrespected their parents. It’s not a new problem nor our fault lmao

[@willowbee43]

The elementary school kids are not gen z ☝️ mostly gen alpha

[@yonibutton4180]

No they all are

[@entah.]

​@@eidunooo ​ I don't mean to correct you here, but did you mean to put ends in 2010? Genuine question.

[@JustEpic_Yt]

Next year they will officially be gen alpha or where you put it now it’s already gen alpha (I always considered gen alpha starting from 2013)

[@NatzBc]

I've been a kindergarden teacher AND a college teacher. The solution is fairly simple. INCREASE THE PAY OF THE TEACHERS. Supply them with enough resources (tablets, materials, supplies, constant training). Also, hire more teachers so that we can focus on smaller classrooms and have more hours to prepare. In conclusion, throw money at the teachers.

[@jocelinireads]

thank you for what you do!! i don’t understand why teachers are so underpaid especially with how important that career is!

[@MaxWilliamsReacts]

capitalism would never allow that sadly. They'll never do something thats in the best interest of people

[@xoreign]

Sadly the cycle is vicious. Teachers are being blamed for this and as a result, are likely not going to be seeing any assistance any time soon. It's one of the reasons why I decided to stay a private tutor after graduating college, instead of becoming a classroom teacher.

[@_xBrokenxDreamsx_]

@@MaxWilliamsReacts government schools aren't examples of a free market. the government forces children into their indoctrination centers for many years with sub-par results. it's failed. it needs to end. good teachers will earn more when people are free to choose how they want to educate their children.

[@_xBrokenxDreamsx_]

@@justhoney8646 correct. you can't fix drug addiction, attitude problems or human stupidity by stealing more from good, productive people and dishing it out to the morons. if there are no consequences to bad behavior there won't be any modification of that behavior. rewarding bad people and punishing good people doesn't work.

[@gabrielgray2345]

It's hard because as an older Gen Z who's worked at a preschool, the parents really are important for controlling how their child grows and develops, and unfortunately parents have a lot of flaws

[@emptyhad2571]

@@bluebaron6811?

[@colbyboucher6391]

​​@ville__ School bus driver here, YT deleted my comment about how we need to call up "the people in the blue cars with the lights" to pull kids off of the bus multiple times a week because no one is actually punishing these children for anything.

[@sawyerk641]

@@colbyboucher6391 Wow. If my mother knew they had to call the police on me as a child, I can't even imagine what my punishment would've been. Probably no toys/tv for two weeks or something crazy like that. I never would've stayed on the bus again. Which you know, just goes to say... wtf are these parents doing at home :') Kids are EASY to control; they like some stuff, and they don't like some other stuff. Use one to reward; use the other to punish. It really is that simple with elementry school kids.

[@sharpiefps7630]

Damn bro, learn to type first, Mr. teacher.

[@yellowdaisies]

The majority of k-12 students are gen alpha now, not gen z (high school-late twenties) so this is labeled incorrectly

[@N0_Air]

Like as soon as they said 7th grade I was like hm ? I’m pretty sure gen z ends with high schoolers rn

[@rozskz]

fr even though I'm a late gen z, I'm not in 7th grade

[@hannahkaiser5110]

I'm gen z and I'm a teacher 😂

[@yellowdaisies]

@@eidunooo kids born then are still freshmen in high school

[@phoebesekine4783]

Gen z begins in 1997 and ended in 2012. Each gen is about 15-16 years. Like millennials can range from 1980 to 1996.

[@haylieerisggd2270]

I feel like this is more towards gen alpha (younger kids)

[@sidiwvwhi]

yeah a lot of these kids have grown up using tiktok constantly for their whole childhoods, thats got to do some damage to your development

[@sigh824]

It definitely is, my brother is an alpha/z cusp and he’s already graduated high school. We’re full into Gen alpha now

[@rileyywhited]

@@sigh824i’m gen z and i’m a sophomore

[@sigh824]

@@rileyywhited yeah Gen Z/Alpha cusp is about 13-18

[@Mialikesthings]

@@sigh824Gen Alpha is 2010-2024 I think.

[@queenv22]

I think the problem begins with how romanticized parenting is, so when parents start struggling, there aren't many resources for them to get help because it's still so taboo to admit to not enjoying parenting. The problems are then exemplified in schools because that's the only time in a day where parents don't have to deal with the kids. Teachers are now unglorified babysitters that not only have to teach, but raise other people's kids, 30 at a time. The stress gets put on teachers when there's not much they can do when the problems start at home and don't improve at home because parents are burned out.

[@katya.g524]

these kids arent gen z at this point, gen z is grown

[@sophieasha9069]

Yeah they're gen alpha now

[@katya.g524]

@@sophieasha9069 always blame gen z tho lol

[@onlinebri444]

Youngest gen z is about 11 and many are still in middle and high school

[@imtae5577]

​@@onlinebri444gen alpha begins in 2010...

[@onlinebri444]

@@imtae5577 it says gen z ends in 2012 when i looked it up but okay

[@surreal_hearts]

I'd say the behavioral issues are because of social media and parents not paying enough attention to their children. Social media because it ruins their concentration and patience.

[@Ja79X]

I am fourteen and I 100% agree. As soon as I deleted Tik Tok, (I have Snapchat, but don't use it a lot) my mental went straight up!

[@Flippylover_69]

I’d argue the issue isn’t social media on its own, the issue is kids who are raised by the internet in general. Nowadays, there are 3 year olds with iPhones. I’ve seen 6 year olds with an Instagram. Enough is enough. Social media is perfectly fine in moderation, but parents are so quick to turn the internet into their child’s personal babysitter.

[@surreal_hearts]

@@Ja79X Props to you for making that decision! It's definitely going to impact you positively in the future. All the best wishes to you! I'm seventeen and even I've decreased the time I spend on social media and avoid reels or shorts as a whole.

[@surreal_hearts]

@@Flippylover_69 You are correct, it disgusts me to see kids doing their makeup on instagram when at their age, I was playing with barbie dolls and watching dora the explorer. Parents think that parenting is optional or a choice but it's not. Gen Alpha is going to be proof of that

[@suoutubez19]

Yeah I think it’s a lot more complex than just TikTok and Instagram though

[@youremysistermysister]

As a highschooler, I'd also like to say that because many students are having harder times understanding concepts or doing basic things--comma placement, simple addition, etc.--we're having to review things we learned in elementary. In every grade level, we've had to review specific things, but it's gotten to the point where Honors classes are having to dedicate the first-nine weeks specifically to review. Now, because we wasted so much time, teachers have to explain new concepts, while students continue to interrupt them

[@sawyerk641]

Literally just spent a whole day teaching nouns, verbs, subjects and objects to a class of 11th graders😂

[@SevernTheBug]

@@sawyerk641and I still don’t know what they are, all I know are verbs are doing words

[@roseediariesss]

I’m 22 and a lot of these issues have been prevalent since I was in elementary. I think a large issue was Covid but behavioral issues, short attention span, and the low wages teachers are getting paid has beennnn an issue !! I was apart of the school the most students wasn’t on grade level. I think now teachers and parents have my ears to listen to these issues . And that’s amazing! I think with this overdue conversation rising and teachers demanding more resources and higher pay, that these issues can be resolved.

[@Mostlikelee]

I am also 22 and deal with my own struggles with learning so I agree. Our lifetime was also pretty weird considering we were the start of a new era and the end of the old one, a lot of us are pretty confused.

[@cedar_pines]

you are in gen z…. who the video is about

[@roseediariesss]

@@cedar_pines i’m aware 😭 but the videos and tiktoks that she’s referring to are talking about younger kids in elementary and middle school. i was just stating from my experience this is not a new issue or issue that arised from quarantine! that even some of the teachers who are my age probably have experienced in their time in school too !

[@queenxnaiya7460]

I agreee

[@queenxnaiya7460]

@@roseediariesssyes speak on it in 6-7th grade we barely had a real math teacher😭😭

[@morgan-qc8ce]

this is gen alpha but of course we always get dragged into it

[@jananiram3041]

This is like how millennials were blamed when it was actually gen z.

[@dvolleyball199]

@@jananiram3041 blamed for what?

[@chula_Isa]

​@@jananiram3041 Millenials are to blame.

[@tedddybear]

I’m gen z, a senior in college, and I am in a rigorous STEM program and cannot believe the level some of my classmates are at. It’s like they didn’t do the past three years of college and don’t have the writing, analytical, and time management skills they should have. If you work in tutoring, you will see even college students have been so impacted by the pandemic. It’s obviously not as drastic as gen alpha reading at a 4th grade level, but it’s still very apparent.

[@pan6529]

It is also gen Z tho, this problem is in high schools and colleges too

[@Amairani2561]

That’s not Gen Z, that’s Gen Alpha (2010-2025)

[@naaavy3571]

Personally I think you are correct. However generations are social constructs and people can change the years to fit their belief of what a gen is. For example, Generation X is 1965 to 1980. However, some Millennials claim the year 1980. And they wouldn't be incorrect because people born in 1980 would graduate around the same time Millennial-centered pop culture begins to rise. But they'd fit in with Generation X because they experienced the 80s and 90s more than most Millennials. Anywho, I agree with you, but some people will claim that Gen Z is something different like 1999-2014 for example.

[@liv_hann]

I’m a senior right now, and the juniors and seniors right now had 7th + 8th or 8th+ 9th off. The biggest thing we notice is that we all had our ‘weird phases’ you get when you’re 13 and 14 online and the BIGGEST thing we’re still seeing is mental health. it’s not being behind (as much) or behavioral issues, but immense amounts of anxiety and depression due to covid.

[@scarlet_sunflower12]

This. As a junior, I totally agree!

[@fuosdi64]

So many of you are just immature

[@seraphim108]

Same grade. Where I'm at, it seems like kids either do very well, or do very poorly.

[@Popthebop]

Oh I totally agree, imo it’s because school is stressful as hell and home life stuff is contributing to it. Along with whatever the hell is happening in their lives. It’s very unsettling.

[@bunnywavyxx9524]

As a senior, this is EXACTLY what I notice too. They are not socialized the same as us. Middle school was embarrassing. It's a universally degrading experience whether you thrived or not. Going into high school, you looked back and changed because your former self was shameful. I do not think later classes had that experience, COVID was humbling enough for a freshman year, but it seems younger gen z behave the same way they did in middle school because nothing checked them.

[@ArrowinmyKneee]

The lack of effort is so REAL. I’m an art teacher and I see this so much in my classroom, kids just want to be good and get everything perfectly without putting in any effort. And they’re constantly asking me “Mrs how are you so good?” And I make sure to emphasize that I’ve been doing this Art for fifteen years and you can hear them audibly groan. The idea of effort and practice is literally painful to them and more than ever I am seeing my students give up within the first one minute of doing something. I’m talking like cutting and gluing paper, these kids don’t have the patience to let a glue stick dry for god’s sake…

[@lesbiangoddess290]

That's so sad. Art class was the shit when I was younger. Honestly we were begging for classes to be long. This is so sad.

[@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian]

Amen, people right now act like effort is toxic lol they are really allergic to it 🤧

[@jazminmiller1071]

I mean me personally I’m tired i don’t think teachers understand how draining we are and how much we get pushed to the point where we just wanna give up like we don’t wanna do anything because we have other stuff we have to do

[@astranova1674]

@@jazminmiller1071in k-12?🤨

[@jazminmiller1071]

@@astranova1674 yea k-12 high school is difficult especially when kids have stuff going on at home school doesn’t stop just because you have stuff going on and it’s hard to adjust

[@Jules-qy5kz]

Sometimes I wish there was a mandatory class for parenting or something because parents just don’t seem to know how to teach kids how to behave and be responsible😭

[@Jules-qy5kz]

Also, the education system has been terrible, teachers have been severely mistreated and management does not try to solve anything a lot of the time.

[@hannahhunter96]

This 💯

[@lunalacunas]

as an older gen z educator (i work at a high school) it's a combination of a lot of factors unfortunately. parents who want teachers to parent their kids AND educate them, students who got robbed of an actual education because of covid, and the american education system that values test scores more than actually having these kids learn something and also not paying teachers enough. even the autocorrect issue...i grew up with auto correct, but the biggest difference is i also was taught basic phonetics and grammar + parents who did their part in my education so yea i mean i can't spell but i at least know how to figure that shit out lol.

[@LakeofCrystalclan]

I’m in the middle of Gen Z (2004-2007) and I literally turned off auto correct so that I could correct my mistakes properly. It’s actually been quite beneficial and allows me more autonomy over what I type.

[@proviblalock6724]

I’ve been teaching for 2 years now in 6th grade special education. PAY US MORE! and BELIEVE TEACHERS! we wouldn’t lie about test scores or student behavior . The admin is the biggest problem in my opinion. Always pointing the blame.

[@sawyerk641]

I want more pay too, but frankly, I don't think more pay would help me be a better teacher. I'm already doing everything I can; what we need is less students and more time.

[@Jadawada935]

there is a lack of PARENTING!!! We talked in my college critical thinking class about how we are slowly moving away from critical thinking and have such short attention spans that it affects children horribly. Parents aren’t doing their part by correcting bad behavior, and kids put on an ipad or given a phone so that the parents can have space. Its a lot of things that go hand in hand. I loved that you mentioned autocorrect because there are sooo many people who can’t spell

[@RobloxSpyFamily]

Literally. I was at a fair once and these kids were standing in my dad and I’s way and the parents just stood there like nothing was happening.

[@Jadawada935]

@@RobloxSpyFamily Thats so crazy. I have witnessed it at my job. Kids running all over the store as if it were a playground and the parents just stood there

[@RobloxSpyFamily]

@@Jadawada935 It’s so crazy because I had helicopter parents and its like culture shock

[@Jadawada935]

@@RobloxSpyFamily Oh wow 😭theres no in between

[@Beepbopboop19]

So true. Look up John Taylor Gatto's "Dumbing is Down."

[@GetWellSoonR.E.M.]

As someone with clinically diagnosed ADHD, I don’t understand why people can’t put the phones away. When I’m invested in something, I can get lost in it for hours. People whipping out their phones in theaters is so annoying 😭

[@minuishaq631]

That's hyper focus. I get it too.

[@lilyanderson6171]

I’m a middle school art teacher, EVERYTHING you touched on is TRUE, things have gotten SO much worse. I have 13 year olds that can’t spell “leaf”. Can’t use a ruler right. Much more. Most still don’t want to listen to you to learn these things. Furniture is thrown. Fights almost every day. Stealing. Phones. I only get paid enough to have a ROOMMATE in a city. We are in hell. I appreiciate you getting stressed out for us, it’s refreshing to hear. Thank you for this video

[@renana.m]

I think it's great to be talking about how present/future generations are learning and behaving, but it's definitely a conversation that can't be limited to one perspective. I work in the infant/early childhood field and I mean there are just so many things that are affecting children- how much are teachers being paid/are families able to get basic needs like food and shelter met/what are the feelings of social isolation like ESPECIALLY in a post-COVID environment but also culturally/do they feel accepted in their community/what support system does the family have/etc. There are just so many factors that impact that child and it sucks that our society doesn't support the bare necessities (financial security, social acceptance) needed for these kids to even begin to be successful as they get older

[@bridgetsmith8196]

For sure!! It’s hard to learn when your basic needs aren’t met. I’m sure a lot of kids would do better if they weren’t hungry or felt loved or felt safe.

[@beguglacat4394]

Can we also take a second to acknowledge the fact that the amount of outliers has also drastically increased- scores on SATs, AP courses taken, etc. As someone who is in Gen Z, it feels unfair to label everyone as dumber than previous generations when in reality we just have a wider disparity between students. The general population of students is definitely doing bad but there is a greater number of motivated and high scoring students who are rising to even greater heights than so many previous generations

[@imnottellingyoumyname411]

Do you think that's related to social media too? As a student I'm trying to become one of those outliers, and I suppose that considering the Internet is a(n almost free) door to almost all of human knowledge, I guess it makes sense that the number of outliers would increase. It could just be having parents who actually care about their child and teach them the right ways to use social media. Or do you think it has something to do with food security? That since more families have (in recent history (and now tbh)) have had access to enough nutrition to properly develop, and it may just only be showing up now. But again, what would you suggest?

[@imtae5577]

Also ppl need to realize that it's not really gen z that's failing school, it's gen alpha

[@ilianakaterina5719]

i think part of the reason why students are rising to greater heights is because now that’s the bare minimum you have to do to get into a decent college

[@phoebesekine4783]

@@ilianakaterina5719which is crazy when the national standards for students are falling

[@lalaland7961]

Literally gen z is excelling in COLLEGE rn most of us aren’t even in high school wtf

[@shalardi]

i think it's great that you bring up how parents should also reevaluate themselves so that this next generation doesn't end up being completely addicted to dopamine and with severe behavioral issues from an early age. i'm not speaking from personal experience here since i'm not a mom, but i've noticed some parents get called out for conflating gentle parenting with not enforcing rules in the house or just straight up ignoring their child's tantrums. and i get it, most of us grew up terrified of our own parents because they believed yelling and punishment were acceptable, and so we promised ourselves to never subject our children to that. i really do. but that doesn't mean the other end of the spectrum is acceptable either. kids still need to be told what they should and shouldn't do since they're constantly learning the rules of the outside world and how they can interact with it. great video! 💕

[@jamkwasowski5207]

"Addicted to dopamine" is hilarious. Any other endogenous neurotransmitters you feel we should wean ourselves off?

[@suoutubez19]

gentle parenting is not the same as permissive parenting. They’re two completely different things.

[@shalardi]

@@suoutubez19 well yeah, that was my point

[@pavlovs-wug]

​@jamkwasowski5207 I think they might mean something like distress intolerance. Like how millennials get accused of needing instant gratification, it's gone a step further. Where millenials might need to seek something out the moment it occurs to them & like to see fast results to their work, I feel like gen z expects it to already be there and handed to them. As a millennial we've learned to google almost anything to find answers but my gen z (university) students expect so much hand holding and have so little critical thought it staggers me. I'm only a decade older than them!

[@rebelane2948]

Not a school teacher but a swim teacher; kids’ behavior is terrible, and parents won’t do anything about it. I’ve had kids hit me, not listen to instructions/feedback, or even drink out of my water bottle(???), and all parents do is sit there on their phones. When conversations are had about behavior, they say they’ll be more involved, and then don’t. A lot of my older students in the age you’re describing (like 8-12) are so disrespectful and rude, and all they do is yell those annoying memes like gyatt and skibidi toilet; it’s super harmful to the lesson and takes away opportunities for the more appreciative and mature kids who want to learn to swim. As an instructor, I’m not allowed to direct at my kids in their behavior like that, but they don’t understand about how their behavior is problematic, because they don’t get that reinforcement at home. I totally agree with your points about parents working in conjunction with instructors. We need major change in things outside of academics too.

[@Miranda-zn4xy]

I think it’s all the parents - I’m 24 and have an education degree and have worked with multiple elementary, middle, and high schools in the past few years and to me, the teachers aren’t the problem at all. I agree with other comments, teachers should be payed WAY more. But at the end of the day, the real culprits behind behavioral issues and learning deficits are the parents. Because 75% of women now work, a majority of parents in the US both work, meaning less time spent with their kids. The less involved you are as a parent with your kid’s learning and social skills, the worse off your child is going to be in those fields. Behavior is often reinforced by what the child sees their parent doing. If you never read as a parent, your child won’t want to read either. They mimic a LOT of their parents behavior. This isn’t on the teachers at all, it’s millennials’ lack of involvement with their kids.

[@oliviaormsby7114]

Teachers should not be paid more if you’re being paid for 9-10 months of work with vacation, maternity, and sick leave AND a pension and Herculean unions fighting over every minor inconvenience and that’s not enough do something else it’s that simple.

[@annalysasperduto8055]

@@oliviaormsby7114 do you take into account how much of the summer is also spent cleaning up and prepping for the next year? or the shear amount of hours they work that they're not contracted for? Teachers are paid so little, but have to get a degree in their field of at least a Bachelors, if not a masters. These people need to be paid more because then on top of everything else, they have to one or more extra jobs to even live. There needs to be a massive education reform in this country and it starts with prioritizing our educators.

[@oliviaormsby7114]

@@annalysasperduto8055 ok so they work 10 months of the year and unpaid extra hours. Every industry has people who work unpaid extra hours you don’t like it don’t be a teacher. They want more money they can work during the summers when they’re not teaching. Working more than 8 hours is a standard part of being salaried employee.

[@kristinesprunger6416]

@@annalysasperduto8055I would add that there is an option for people who work in schools to parse their paychecks out of the school year or the calendar year. I know 4 people who currently or are retired from school systems, all worked in different capacities within the school systems. One administrator, one teacher, one in tech, and one a janitor. All work during the summer. While students are not on site, it is still work. Everyone deserves a living wage. A person who is worried about finding a second job because their full time job doesn’t pay enough is not going to be as effective. So of course that would make it harder to lesson plan, grade 30 assignments, and go back into the classroom and deal with that year’s poop head jerk.

[@senorpapi3659]

@@oliviaormsby7114ok so instead of disproving her argument your gonna act bitter and say “if you don’t wanna be a teacher, don’t be a teacher”. What an idiot. I bet in the same breath you’d complain if there was a shortage of teachers where you live. If every teacher listened to your advice then how do you think that would work out in the long run??? Truth is their jobs are some of the most important. If you don’t know how to read and write, your screwed and will live an extremely restricted life. Nowadays everywhere you go and everything you do requires the knowledge of reading and writing. So yes teachers need to be payed way more cuz what’s the point of spending thousands to get a masters degree just to get shitty pay in return? On top of dealing with other peoples bratty kids?

[@juliette6035]

i dont think you talked about this but from what ive seen gen alpha is a LOT worse than we are. Im a younger gen z, I'm fifteen, and due to my family I am around gen alpha a lot. From what I've seen, what I was learning in first and second grade, theyre learning in fourth grade. I really think that social media is a huge problem and I wish it had never escalated to this point. I feel like the golden age was when everyone would share their candid pictures on instagram, but since then it's all gone downhill.

[@user-kk1cj1fi2e]

True!! I’m not english or in the U.S but I believe this might be an issue in many countries... I’m 18 and my cousins are 10. Recently we had a conversation about school. They complained to me about them still learning only present-tense because they have been doing that for 3 years and they were sick of it. I was SHOCKED because... I mean, 8 years ago, when I was in their grade our class had moved on from present tense years ago. It’s a small thing (there was more but irrelevant), but it shocked me and it made me question what the fuck are we teaching kids these days 😭

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

The golden age of the internet was before myspace. It used to be so good it makes me sad younger people will never see how it was before corporations and algorithms ruined it.

[@MichaelTurner856]

Feel like I'm hearing "The golden age of the Internet was whichever one I happened to be around for"

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

@@MichaelTurner856 im still around haha im on the internet still so its not bad enough for me to leave lol i truly just think the internet is worse lately and have been watching the changes over time, and the rise in convincing bots is going to make it very interesting, gpt can mimik a person well enough, and soon (or already) we are going to be debating with bots in comment sections run by people with agendas and have no idea its not a real person, google results are also worse now, top 10 results are paid for, cant find smaller indepentantly run sites as easily, and more ads, and more subscription based things. Its not going down a good path i think.

[@haylieerisggd2270]

Private schools are still bad, I went to both public and private. The kids in private school are just as rude to the teachers and the parents are worse!!

[@pastelptv]

This is applicable more to Gen Alpha. A lot of the content I’ve seen is centered around elementary and middle school kids. Parents of that range is traditionally Millennials while most of Gen Z was parented by Gen X. Currently most Gen Z are around high school and college age, I graduated university in 2022. Some of us aren’t far from 30.

[@4ElementGirl]

Ugh don't remind me...

[@Name..........]

This issue has been going on for longer than they say it has, I'm in my twenties now. I was never taught how to study properly, now I do have adhd but their solution was to simply separate me from classmates and peers and have me sit in a silent room, I need a level of background noise to help me study and concentrate not to mention, that none of the teachers went above and beyond to make sure you understood the material they were teaching you. They made to cram everything and tell you they wouldn't be able to go over certain topics and spend that much time on them because they had time restraints. We'll stop the time restraints and stop making everything about these damned standardized tests. You need to be taught properly not to be taught how to cram everything for a small test than forget it the next day. We need to go back to when we had stewardships, you'd live with the teacher, learn and practice every day. Not practice for 5 hours a day leave and do self-independent homework. It's not about learning and how well a student grasps a concept anymore it's about how well the teacher does, and how well the school does on the tests.

[@brandihyman1984]

Im a mom of a 13 and 7 yo boys since my oldest was a toddler i sit home with them and taught them what they needed especially during 2020 now both of them are advanced and above their grade level and test scores in the nation im proud i put in that work in for them 😊

[@eliath5215]

As someone in school to become a teacher, your sons’ teachers will appreciate you for that. So many teachers are noticing a decline in at-home education practice.

[@tulip811]

💯

[@jenniferlynnkarr]

These kids are NOT going to be the future lawyers and doctors and engineers, university isn't going to just pass them on. Kids who are at grade level or kids who go to private school/kids whose parents can pay for tutoring are the ones who will go on to be the future lawyers and doctors and engineers. Another thing I've heard about in relation to kids not performing at grade level is some of the teaching methods, specifically, for a while some teachers stopped teaching phonics and taught kids some theory about trying to figure out a word based on context, like the pictures on the page. So a bunch of kids were not taught how to sound out words and they were passed onto the next grade anyway, where the next teacher is expected to catch them up AND teach them what they're supposed to know for that new grade level.

[@hellojello2211]

Tbh parents shouldn’t be having children without being prepared to shape them into functioning learning people.

[@sidiwvwhi]

im in high school right now and i feel like this is mostly an american issue? idk ive been to school in both england and australia, and private and public and i dont think the people im in or was in school with struggled more. from what ive seen the american school system is very easy to get super behind in. and the teachers arent paid enough to properly teach people. i mean the teaching system in other countries is far from perfect but the american system seems much worse. also with the autocorrect thing youre very correct, ive noticed that i cannot spell the word necessary because autocorrect does it for me. its weird because thats the only word that happens with.

[@imnottellingyoumyname411]

As a(n almost) 15 year old I honestly think that social media should be regulated as with as much dedication as alcohol. That is, do not give it to young children . Despite maybe somewhat avoiding the disruptivity of the pandemic, a lot of the definitions of Gen A would define them as anyone born after 2010, meaning the oldest Gen A's are just two years younger than I am. I'd really reccomend looking into the Skibidi toilet phenomenon (Meme Analysis may have a good video on it) because with the (honestly predatory) nature of most social media accounts aimed at children combined with IPad babies (now people who have children just to have children don't need to deal with them) these kids don't stand a chance. Similarly to climate change, I think we need to put extremely strict regulations on the corporations before humanity is screwed beyond salvation (before these kids are old enough to be parents (I predict the logistics would be similar to generational poverty or generational trauma)).

[@Cardinal_claw]

Absolutely there should be stronger restrictions. I've seen kids at my siblings elementary school walking around with full smartphones, little toddlers with headphones on and a screen inches from their face, etc. It's horrifying. Also, if you want to italicize something, an underline " _ " on each side should work!

[@spacebar9733]

I agree. Im not giving my kids a smartphone until they're 17.

[@imnottellingyoumyname411]

@@Cardinal_claw lol thanks for the italicize tip

[@worldwidefunnyguy]

@@spacebar973317 is wild, at least give them a flip phone

[@RobloxSpyFamily]

says the child on social media

[@sentientplant9658]

From what I've seen, the quote from decades ago still rings true and probably holds more truth today than it ever has: Teachers are scared of the principals, principals are scared of the board of edu, board of edu is scared of the parents, parents are scared of their own children, and the children fear nothing. And with these parents I see in Target who shove iPads in their toddlers' faces to get them to stop crying because it's way past nap time and the kids are fricken TIRED (my parents NEVER skipped nap time. my mom is a nurse who to this day works 12 hours and at the time my dad worked an electrician job where he was gone for days at a time), no wonder these kids are turning into literal nightmares who are not learning because they're not getting the developmental enrichment they need. An iPad is not proper developmental enrichment. Nor are these children being taught how to be a human being. These kids aren't being taught proper manners, how to not volunteer information, and a whole bunch of things. They're taught they can do no wrong, and when teachers finally call them out on it, their parents run to their rescue and verbally abuse these teachers because they failed their children as parents and don't want to hold accountability for that. And the more these teachers are treated poorly from students, parents, and the boards, the more temped they are to quit because there is very little, if any, reward for their work nowadays. I worry for my friends in the education department now. Student teaching has been rough for them; they just passed their certification tests and will graduate to be official teachers in the spring.

[@bridgetsmith8196]

It’s even worse with kids with learning disabilities and special Ed. The mindset is either 1. Give them barely passing grades so they scrape by instead of helping them learn. Not my problem… or 2. Only provide accommodations and modifications AFTER they have failed, been ignored, and held back. It’s GARBAGE. And only deteriorating

[@insertusernamehere3173]

Yeah kids are actually so messed up right now. I used to actually read or learn but these kids don't. I will say young gen z is more rude but god the gen alpha is actually insane. They're so rude and don't learn accountability. Millenials and Older gen z, you guys need to raise your kids better. Its getting bad. (I also find it funny that its called gen z cause the youngest of our generation is in 9th grade. Every millenial hated being called gen z and its funny cause now we're going through the same thing. I think its kinda funny lol)

[@vanillabeanlady]

As far as education, I'm confused on what went wrong between when I graduated HS in 2010, and now. Disrespect was, for the most part, not tolerated when I was in school, nor were the crazy meltdowns my teacher friends tell me kids have now. Every teacher I know has told me they aren't allowed to discipline students and that if they try to give them write ups or kick them from the class, admin doesn't back them up. When I was in school, phones had to put away even at lunch, and you could only use computers in the lab. This really helped kids stay on track and not be distracted. Also I don't understand why kids need tablets at school...that's so expensive and unnecessary.

[@LeonM4c]

Same, 2013 grad. These issues were there, but not at this level of saturation.

[@gts3004]

LGBTQ has caused this societal breakdown. The watershed moment was legalization of gay marriage.

[@willowthelyxra]

I notice this in my classes. It's like I'm the only one that does any work and some kids can't even read basic words... I'm in 10th grade HIGH SCHOOL like?? 😭😭 They bully the teachers, they don't pay attention and they're failing but they don't care..

[@1435queen]

Most having issues are actually Gen Alpha and only some young Gen Z. As an “Elder” Gen Z (born late 90s) that taught Gen Alpha for online and in person, you need to have grace and show more care! These kids where not properly socialized. With Remote learning they just mute themselves but can be as loud they want in real life. They don’t have the extra help. Teachers are stretched thin and no longer want to work 20 extra hours a week for no extra pay (I worked 20 extra hours a week for 2 years to catch my students up in math just to burn out and change careers).

[@demonte_writes4906]

Growing up, it was mostly low-income kids that acted out. Yelling, throwing items, running in the classroom, 'bad kid' behavior. It mellowed out in high school. Classes were also separated into advance, averages, below-average, and special needs. Most of the kids that acted out did not make it into the advanced class. Me, being arrogant and with gifted-child syndrome, just thought they were dumb kids and avoided them. Now that I'm older and have more experience, I know that (most) of those children had abusive, unstable homes. Some only ate at school, some had indifferent parents, some had to work to make some money to help support the family. So many issues that can affect a child's mental state. (I myself was low income, but my mom and dad made it work and gave us what we needed and then some. Some kids don't even have that) I think about my classmates sometimes. Despite my general indifference, I did grow up with them. Same group of kids from pre-k to graduation. It was a small, school (60 kids per grade). To an extent, I cared about them. We all graduated in 2021, some barely made it, but they made it, and it was fun. We were kids together. 2024 is almost here, and I hope that all my classmates get to grow another year.

[@mozzyno]

I use to catch my sister using text-to-speech sometimes to writes her essays or tests… she’s 15. Great content btw! 🎉

[@imnottellingyoumyname411]

As a 14 (almost 15) year old I've heard most of my classmates say that they do the same

[@Aimi-nh6td]

Damn..need to know what device she uses bcs when I tried to do it in uni it all ends up being gibberish bc my phone can't hear for shit

[@tedddybear]

I had a typing class in middle school (I’m gen z and now a senior in college) and I cannot imagine having to use text to speech to write out complex science reports or any kind of research article. It scares me that a basic skill such as typing was missed by the pandemic. Hopefully something with schooling changes soon so these kids can catch up.

[@crystallix611]

If her foundation (grammar, spelling, etc.) isn’t good, then that will do more harm than good. But if she has a great foundation and doesn’t mind expanding her vocabulary and writing knowledge, that might save her some time depending on how she goes about it. At least it doesn’t seem like she is using AI programs (i.e. ChatGPT) to write her essays. My younger brother is in high school and he says a lot of his classmates don’t know their grammar and spelling well so they rely on AI programs to write out their essays.

[@SavageMinnow]

I'm a published writer, and I use speech-to-text all the time. If you are over 12 and have a basic understanding of phonics, your brain isn't doing any less processing by speaking than it would be typing. Typing is an important skill, but there are plenty of people who get by just fine typing 15wpm in their careers. And you can learn it later in life. In my school, we had to choose between typing and shop class, and my parents thought it was more important to know how to use hand tools than computers back then. I didn't learn to touch-type until I was 30, and now I spend hours typing every day. Speech-to-text saved a lot of us old arthritic authors, and if it's helping younger writers to write, that sounds like a good thing to me.

[@azazelazel]

It's really interesting how everyone is demarcating the boundary between 'Gen Z' and 'Gen A' in the comments here imo. I think it's really important to remember that these are entirely superficial categories, and that the particular limits of them are set at arbitrary points. I don't think people in the 20th Century even talked about generations in this kind of precise way at all. It's just another way to divide and atomise people into consumer demographics.

[@g.personal342]

Excellent comment.

[@MichaelTurner856]

I agree.

[@Anime-chan-gl4pe]

To be fair , she lumping Gen z together thou. Crap man I am 23 years old. School is different now.

[@SevernTheBug]

I feel like it should be more divided as the 4-11 and the 12-18 year olds or just literally anyone under 18 grouped into these people in school because it’s like obviously there are several adult gen z people but as someone who is 14 and gen z it feels like just because those adults are grown doesn’t mean I am and they’re acting like someone born in 2009 is an adult by now

[@karensmith8911]

I’m 15 and honestly I agree. I’d like to think I’m a pretty respectful teenager because I got my phone when I was 12 and learned to read pretty early but the kids around me are so disrespectful and have no care for the teachers. I do think that the reading and comprehension issues are reserved for younger kids, but the behavioral issues are definitely there for teenagers.

[@SavageMinnow]

85% of licensed drivers report their own driving as "better than average." There's a very high likelihood that you are also rude and disrespectful, and you just don't realize it.

[@iwashere583]

That moment when you're watching this video in 1.75x speed...I feel called out lol

[@TutterIsaQueen_]

I recently transitioned to private and public school. The difference is majorly different. In private school i feel like that since the classes are smaller and one on one it helps the students learn. In public schools you have to reach out for help while in private school if you’re slipping they call your parents. If you’re failing a class in public usually the teacher doesn’t have time to reach out to your parents since they have so many kids to take care of.

[@raleemay]

Thank you for making this video!!! I’m 36 and grew up in the 90s and early 2000s when students still showed respect to their teachers and we didn’t dare cuss in front of them. I work at a high school as an educational assistant. I work with seniors and in my math class. The teacher assigned five problems for homework and the kids literally yelled. “Oh my God why is this so much work?” It’s asinine. I’ve been working in education for the past 13 years and the kids have gotten worse, they really can’t read or even do simple math like adding and subtracting. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@motivationallizard6644]

At the end of the day it’s about interest. If you can’t get kids interested in education their not gonna try hard to learn or develop their skills. The current system focuses way to much on testing, which for lack of a better term is boring af. Nobody enjoys a subject when the underpaid teacher is forced to run through the whole thing in a week because the test has more stuff in it. Attention spans are only a problem because these kids aren’t learning from school and parents don’t care enough or don’t have enough time to educate their children properly.

[@ShocktoSpectre]

Gen Z/Alpha here, I'm in secondary school (ages 11-18) and I sh!t you not, there are kids here that consistently get less than 25% on all their tests, MY AGE by the way, to the point where people my age DONT KNOW WHAT CONTINENT THE COUNTRY WE LIVE ON IS IN! Ome kid in my class even, thought that "Tokyo was the capital of Japan" Plus, if you try to explain something to them so that they can actually understand, they'll always say, "Just give me the answers," the thing about "behavioural issues" is 100% true. Our form has gotten a reputation for being talkative and loud and laughing at everything. (Admittedly, I'm also prone to this sometimes) It's just disappointing honestly.

[@dayzedandconfuzed]

i also think it has to do with curriculums changing bc i saw a tiktok from a teacher saying that they don’t teach phonics anymore. kids are being taught how to sight read instead of learning to sound words out which allows you to then be able to spell any words based on sound instead of memorizing the shapes of words. it’s crazy to me that that’s how some kids are learning now. like no wonder they’re failing to be able to spell words like window.

[@saiyamoru]

That's how I learned to read, never did me any harm. Phonics is a flawed system, so many syllables can sound alike and be spelled differently because the word descended from another language group, but sight reading meant I had an uncanny sense for when a word 'looked wrong', like when people would reverse the order of the vowels in 'weird' or add an extra z to 'bizarre'. However, this approach does take a lot of reading in order to really stick, I think. No kid I know today says they even *like* reading.

[@ml2mj]

Sadly, some of the students who behave most of the time see the attention the kids with bad behaviors are getting from the teacher and administrators and soon start copying the bad behaviors making it even harder for the classroom teacher.

[@notgonnaargue8986]

I'm 21, and graduating to be a teacher in 6 months. You can show low to these kids and they STILL will disrespect you. Parents are NOT teaching kids to be respectful, they're letting the phones raise them. I've seen even my own parents addicted to phones and I have younger siblings. The parents are addicted to phones so ofc they can't get their kids off of it. I hope the new generation of teachers can do SOMETHING because we all are going into this career dealing with horrible kids for less than 48k. I'm grateful for this career and feel fortunate to be able to work with kids daily but we aren't out to get these kids. We wouldn't have come into this career if we didn't like them, we love them and want to see them grow. BUT we need the support of their parents and we need the kids to give their all.

[@theonewiththeblueeyes]

It’s the same here in the UK, one of my friends is a primary school teacher (age 4-11) and she was saying how so many of their year 5s are being held back from year 6 (the final year, ages 10-11) which is when we typically do our SAT-type exams because they just don’t have the skills or attention span for it. 9 and 10 year olds just getting up from their seats and interrupting and the parents giving the teacher a hard time when she speaks to them after about it.

[@eliselauren8490]

Currently double majoring in English and secondary education, so all the points you raise have been live questions for me. I know that building great relationships with students is the first and fastest route to get them to care, but I’m worried that won’t be enough. Students are anxious. That feeds into the cycle. Fear of being pushed, of expressing themselves, of coming out into the world and leaving the screen. (A student whose personal statement I read was literally too scared to talk about himself in a personal way at all.) And this fear, even if students like the teacher, leaves them unable? unwilling? to try to just DO the work, to be respectful, to try their best in a class. Many students fixate on the pressure of what they should be and don’t want to maneuver away from that concrete plan they set for themselves, so they turn to screens as an escape. School makes students think about what they COULD be, which is often too much. Long rant, not sure it makes sense. But these are the thoughts!

[@carriekitchen5796]

I can go ahead and tell you it’s not enough depending on the school. My kids love me I’m a music teacher who is also gen z and I’m still having a hard time getting them to do what i need them to do

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@carriekitchen5796 I agree, but I would also argue that we cannot _possibly_ know whether it's enough until we are funding schools sufficiently enough that they can operate anywhere near their full potential. When you have Republicans (and some democrats too) perpetually crippling & defunding our public education system, it makes it impossible to tell what a solid public education system may or may not be capable of 🤷‍♂

[@d48731]

I’m begging you to stop pursuing education. Do not become a teacher; it will ruin your life and you will make very little impact.

[@Popthebop]

Just be understanding and kind, and make the work fun. That’s it, kids will open up so much if they know they won’t be ridiculed or verbally abused. And making the work fun just means everyone will enjoy it. Education is hard, but kids aren’t bad just complicated. I wish you the best of luck! Hope you have a wonderful day!

[@jackiegermex1770]

It’s mostly gen alpha and late gen z but as someone who is a freshman in Highschool, I know exactly what you’re saying. When I say these bitches dumb, I mean it. This girl in my physics class is SO mean to our teacher! He’s a chill guy and anytime he talks or teaches, she just goes: „Yap yap yap yap yap.“ LIKE gurl just stay home if you don’t like hearing people talk 🙄 and he tolerates it and never raises his voice somehow?! I always wonder when he will finally snap. Honestly she is just an ugly person and I would be ashamed to look at myself if I were her. But that’s just me 🥰

[@abigailmills2603]

this ain’t us lmfaoo this is 100% gen alpha

[@mint_meringue659]

So the oldest Gen Alpha is already entering middle school. And the rest have pretty much experienced and suffered covid school. This is the generation we are already failing.

[@andreanderson0937]

The oldest gen alphas are already exiting middle school. My brother was born in 2010 and he's in 8th grade. They'll be on their way to high school next september.

[@Eli.347]

As an adult with adhd I’m personally affected by social media addiction and I know it’s one of the biggest issues in my life currently. I’ve been trying my best to be aware of it and slow down my content consumption. It’s messed up that children were basically forced into an addiction at a young age without understanding the real effects it has on their brain development, mental wellbeing, attention span, education, and literally their future. No one is taking it seriously and in a decade I think people will finally realize it’s a very serious problem with our society but I think even then, the problem won’t stop and social media will maybe be even more necessary to feel included in society. I think one solution could be student and parental awareness of the negative effects of social media and instant gratification. Another lesser likely solution would be calling out predatory social media companies and predatory content creators for their addictive content.

[@vaya-dragon1998]

What do you mean by ‘addictive content?’ How do you enforce that?

[@Eli.347]

@@vaya-dragon1998 It's definitely subjective and can be pretty much anything. I'd say an easy indicator of addictive content is stuff that is forcing you to engage. For a very extreme example, tiktok creators post story times or podcast clips along side quick appearing one word captions, using jump cuts with not more than a second of room for silence, sometimes with sped up audio, and maybe even with an eye-grabbing video in the background, like unrelated video gameplay. You can imagine how all the tactics used in the video are meant for retaining the viewers attention but consequentially, the use of any engaging tactics beyond a naturally flowing conversation affect the attention span of the person consuming the content long term.

[@Eli.347]

And for some people, time spent consuming content that gets in the way of their productivity, could be anywhere from a few hours to an entire day of screen time.

[@Eli.347]

@@vaya-dragon1998 As for "how do you enforce that?" I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but maybe you're referring to me talking about calling out social media companies and content creators. I think a good way to enforce accountability from these companies and creators is facing the facts of how social media companies are well aware and design their algorithms in their applications to take advantage of singular or intersecting factors in people to make them more addicted to their apps (think: age, race, class, sexuality, mental state, mental illnesses, etc.) They use their data profiles of you and use it against you to keep consuming content or purchasing their product or clicking their advertisements. Not only do these social media companies know these things but indirectly these creators know the trends and know their audiences and can sometimes negatively take advantage of that. I think people having that awareness and bringing that awareness to creators and to the public is very important.

[@RisskiMusic]

The reality is simple, most teachers can’t even comprehend their own psychology, let alone a kid they don’t know, it’s why teachers can’t control a room, can’t find a way to actually reach a student, etc. The money sucks for teachers, but that wouldn’t change the fact, majority of teachers can’t handle the reality most kids are brought up in. If you don’t understand psychology, you shouldn’t be allowed to teach. Like, teachers gotta start to realize they also suck, not just the parents, because all of it’s the same… lack of education on the psychology of humans.

[@blueberrae.]

It’s actually gen alpha acting like this, not gen z. Most gen z kids are older teens or twenties. Heck, I was born in 2008 and I’m 15, and I’m considered a young gen z. The official cut off date is 1996-2010, anything born before or after that are not gen z, so all middle schoolers are gen alpha. Also, most of us didn’t grow up with KZbin, or any fast paced media, that’s only in recent years. Gen alpha however has grown up with KZbin, TikTok, etc. so their attention spans are incredibly short, and they have been raised more poorly by absent parents. I didn’t even get a tablet until I was 7, and these gen alphas have had them since they were toddlers 😭

[@entah.]

I had the same experience as you with the tablet and mine wasn't even really a tablet it was a kindlefire 😭

[@sosilly.phoenix]

i'm 13 and was born in 2010?? i'm in middle school tho

[@softwaifu]

I feel like most of the comment section isnt old enough to remember No Kid Left Behind but long story short there were a lot of kids left behind 😂

[@MiraBoo]

When it comes to misbehavior, it sounds like nothing has changed. The problem is that disciplinary actions aren’t being properly taken, thus authority figures aren’t taken seriously. I graduated in 2010, and I found most of my peers to be immature, rude, disrespectful, obnoxious, and even idiotic until College. I will also say that children should not have access to electronics during school hours unless they require it as an accommodation for a disability or it’s for a specific classroom assignment (in which case, the class can go to a computer lab). Furthermore, schools should have a policy that makes it mandatory for phones (unless a child has an accommodation) to be kept in a safe during class that only the teacher has access to. Phones, unless confiscated, will be returned to each student at the end of class. Perhaps a rule could also be added that the only phones permitted on school property (again, with the exception of accommodations) are phones that only take/make calls (as in no internet access, texting services, or mobile games). I understand that will take up class time, but it seems to be a necessity at this point. I don’t give poo if parents fuss; if they neither respect educational institutions nor the quality of their children’s education, they shouldn’t bother sending their kids to school. If they do care, they’ll happily and willingly cooperate with the policy since it benefits their kids.

[@poppypoppypoppy]

My mums a teacher in the Uk and it seems so different from this issue in America (in her school anyway). She says since covid children behaviour has gotten worse but grades have stayed relatively the same.

[@lbell9695]

Same in Australia

[@briannasusette]

I'm so curious about this. When i was still teaching, it was the outlandish wild behavior that kept us from getting further or deeper into the content and that was a big contributor to low grades.

[@carbearr6093]

Grades have stayed the same for our students too bc they made school easier - someone who tutored high school students in the US Post covid

[@bubbleyumm223]

I'm currently in my master's program as a Gen Z :), and seeing the education system as an adult has been disappointing. The lack of support students have is upsetting because they are not working to adapt to Gen Alpha and even Gen Z and their technology and retention needs. Yes, gen z/gen alpha may need more support, but that definitely does not make us dumb. Maybe the support educators are familiar with might not work for these newer generations. These students are being passed on year by year when they aren't meeting the requirements for their basic classes. How can we expect students to take school seriously when their needs aren't met, and they aren't being taken seriously. Teachers need better pay and to have more resources to support their students. Great video, and I hope more people in power start to see that this is a problem because we have to think these young kids/teens are growing quickly into adults. How will this translate as they attend college or look for jobs and careers? I just find this topic very interesting.

[@sawyerk641]

I'm sorry, but respectfully as a Gen Z teacher "attention needs" is not a thing. There are numerous concepts that you simply cannot teach without having to devote time and effort to them, because they are complex. If people's advice to educators is to turn everything into a 5 minute video clip then we're all doomed. I get that lots of kids nowadays think that they just "learn different," but that's not how life works. You don't get to have everything catered to you and your specific needs 100% of the time, you have to learn how to adapt. Thinking like that is so selfish; I've heard from other teachers who've had students ask them for alternate assignments because the ones they gave them don't fit their "learning style," and two things with that. 1) 9/10 they ask for an assignment that can be easily done via cheating with the internet. Teachers try and intentionally design assignments now to make that impossible, so it's always pretty obvious when kids are complaining just because of that, and 2) students have zero right to ask teachers to work outside of their contract hours for no extra pay because they don't want to have to do the work. The solution there isn't "pay teachers more" either. I would loved to get paid more, but even if I made 15k more then I do now, you can't magic an extra three hours into our workdays. Time is immovable, and every time students want everything their way, that's what they're eating away at. Our time, our lives, our families and relationships. It is selfish behavior. Hope I'm not in a nursing home 60 years from now being looked after by someone who's "attention needs" make it impossible for them to keep up with my paperwork since it's more then 10 pages long and super boring.

[@kerisaltchannel3817]

8:00 i get distracted easily and even i can sit through a movie! 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@devih9134]

Talking about COVID, I’m in the Air Force and the young men and women who joined then DID NOT go to basic training during that time (they did it online). They are insufferable to work with/entitled bc the experience was lost

[@oliviabrown7500]

I’m a first year 8th grade science teacher and I can 100000% agree to all of this

[@kaspurrr]

As an older gen z (dunno if its older but im 18 and in my final year of secondary school -high school-) And i I always throughout my 6 years at the school made a point to nod along and respond to teachers even if i wasn't interested in what they were saying, i was in a class that was pretty mean to teachers and staff and I always felt horrible about it even though i never participated in the meanness, Teachers are not payed enough and definitely not payed enough to recieve abuse from teenagers, like were these kids just not taught basic respect? Like hello?

[@agiry183]

The framing of remote learning as the problem is going to be an issue when it's used to deny disabled people and disabled students accommodations especially as the pandemic is and will continue to be *a mass disabling event*. But I don't know if we're culturally ready for that conversation - suppose we'll just keep letting things catch up to us.

[@kjlynne1191]

i was a teacher at a summer camp. we didn’t teach math or science, we taught things like art and music. there were constant breaks and long period of free-time. we kept kids engaged with fun projects, and had 4 teachers in the room at all times. a kid tried to light a fire in the building. they were promptly banned. that’s the worst thing that happened, but do i even need to go over other behavioral issues?

[@SavageMinnow]

And this relates to underfunded schools that don't have enough staff for a 1:35 staff to student ratio, how? Or were you just looking for head pats?

[@kjlynne1191]

wow bro’s mad i’m sharing my experience with teaching on a post about teachers

[@SavageMinnow]

@@kjlynne1191 no, I'm just wondering why you felt the need to post it here. Did you not get enough head pats?

[@kjlynne1191]

@@SavageMinnow i feel like you didn’t get enough head pats as a child bc who asks that lol

[@downheartted]

I student teach 6th grade ELA. I absolutely adore my kids and would do anything for them. But their writing level is collectively so low. They 100% write like 3rd/4th graders and it’s so hard to watch them get consistently poor grades due to this as well as their lack of comprehension of basic instructions and deadlines. They are also often extremely emotionally exhausted!! I comfort the same students daily - they carry soo much stress with them as 11/12 year olds!! They sometimes need a lot of attention and extra love which I do my best to give them. It’s a lot of work and I do as much as I can to help them out but there is definitely a difference with this generation. I think it’s mostly due to social media😵‍💫

[@McGheeBentle]

Oh my goodness this is so cathartic to read!!! I have the SAME exact experience! It’s the comprehension for me. I teach 6th, 7th, and 8th grade, they just are NOT understanding what they are reading! Even a simple narrative paragraph, they cannot summarize it!! Idk if this’ll help you at all (I’ve been testing this out for a few weeks) but I started asking my students if they can “picture” or “hear” what they are reading. The stunning part… most of them told me “no.” They don’t picture what they are reading! It’s not playing out like a “video” like it does for most of us when we read a narrative. So I’ve started asking my students to start drawing what they are reading. That type of activity is more of a 1st-3rd grade activity… but they need it. Just training up that skill of “picturing” what they are reading is what I’m hoping will increase comprehension. The writing is another thing… but my personal philosophy is focusing on reading first and then transitioning to creatively mimicking/rewriting something to transition into writing. Just something I’m trying out. But idk I feel so lost and disheartened by all of it. So anyways… I feel you. A lot. A lot!

[@AmoreMiu]

I’m 26 y/o working at a high school and yea these students are struggling. More than half are constantly failing, students not even paying attention in class and being very rude to their teachers, there’s truancy issues, and behavioral issues. Many parents are not even putting in the effort to help their students either.

[@davanvisser]

Don’t forget the fact many that teachers are often inundated with rude and opinionated parents. A friend of mine is a grade school teacher and she has to use a program (like zoom) that allows parents to watch and comment on the classroom instruction in real time! She gets comments like “don’t make my kid do that” or “you have to teach X this way and not that way”. I cannot even imagine dealing with that.

[@briannapischke]

Maybe it’s just time to find new, more engaging ways to learn. We all know this problem won’t be going away, so maybe we just start from scratch and work with the grain instead of against

[@chloeflores7006]

Its the parents. The kids who behave well and get good grades not because they WANT to, theyre kids but the know its expected of them and that their parents will discipline them if they do anything else besides whats right, the other kids are the example of what happens when parents dont parent. They lett their kids ro cartwheelrs all over rhe room during parent night, never discipline them, dont make their childrern do homework ect. When you do that and have no consequences you get children that dont respect anyone or anything.

[@ellaa3526]

as someone who was born basically right in the middle of gen z, i just want to say that standardized testing now is honestly a lot harder to cheat on. (obviously i never cheated lol i’m a total academic girlie) since it’s online, it’s a lot easier for administrators to monitor your progress, and they have specific apps on the school-monitored chromebooks that are super locked and secure and you can’t get out of while the test is in progress, which makes it really hard to look at something else online (since you can’t). also, we still watch bill nye :)

[@Mae11549]

My sister is like very late like last year of gen z late and istg she asks me how to spell things I learned in like 2nd grade. She’ll be a freshman in high school next year. I also work with gen alpha and they are SO beyond rude. They’re extremely disrespectful, don’t listen, constantly fighting, using slang and acting in ways they shouldn’t till they’re at least in high school.

[@maizymaizy]

5-8 during COVID would be gen alpha, but yeah, a lot of these issues have been developing since before covid

[@via-anghelmagahum2586]

It’s terrible because as an older Gen Z I’m seeing this disrespect-fullness entitlement and undisciplined amongst my spoiled peers and my own students as a teacher myself

[@b4bythebunny]

I'm 18 and I swear that when I was 7 kids were still really bad at reading, it only got good when they turned 14, I cant explain the reason but i feel like kids have always been, at least 80% of them, that dumb

[@strawberry_boba_milk_tea8195]

I graduated high school last year, the first month of my senior year there was a school wide zoom meeting about students being caught with vapes, knives and fighting. The students in my classes as well were so rude and saying slurs in front of the teacher and being generalized disruptive in the classes and just disrespectful to teachers telling them to do work. It’s sad, I know a lot has to do with their parents not caring/trying to implement respect or decency when it comes to teachers and other students and the lack of mental health services. I’ve witnessed disturbing things while in school it makes me sad and concerned for the students and their future children.

[@valeriarey8055]

*gen alpha. These poor young teachers ARE gen z

[@PaolaRodriguez-rd2qi]

You guys I can actually testify on why No kid left behind is a terrible policy and a bad idea, so when I was in high school I clearly didn’t care about learning none of the classes interested me except history (huge history buff here) so I looked the answers online and when I had to take tests I’d fail them on purpose so I could take the make up test online and pass with the help of friends or Mathway, I’m now struggling in college specially with math I’ve failed it twice and that’s so much money wasted, seriously the whole education system is trash but also the parents who don’t want to parent so they give their kid an iPad, I was one of those kids and when I tell you I have mental health issues due to being on the internet at such young age I’m not even kidding, if y’all are thinking about becoming a parent don’t under any circumstances give your kids iPads or let them have free access to the internet, parent your kid that’s what you are for.

[@carolitoffana]

I think the most shocking think that happened to me, I was typing on my computer and a kid turned to me and said: uou, how do you type so fast? And I was like "what?" and he told me they do everything on their phones, they don't even know how to type on a computer because they depend on their cell for literally everything.

[@queenv22]

I was just thinking this! I'm pretty sure the rise of ipads and screen typing is dancing on the line of no more keyboarding classes! I don't think the kids at my former middle school are taught how to type on the computer anymore, and that's not fair because if I had to choke down my weird computer teacher's lessons, so do they!

[@dariazhempalukh]

I’m a spiritual person and I believe that it has a lot to do with the parents. You can’t stop your kid from doom scrolling if you’re also doing that. They match your vibration. So I think it’s important for parents to learn self discipline. And, although it might sound random: meditation and spiritual practices. It have always been helping people to calm their mind, focus, and even become a better person ethically. You can either make your own ideology or you can follow an existing one, but it’s basically deciding on what your predetermined answers in a conflict situation will be. So yeah, bring your kids to any church, teach them meditation and breathing practices, yoga, and do the same for yourself.

[@iflime]

I think it’s being overblown because of social media. I’m 16 and I’m doing great and so are my most of my classmates. Obviously there are some “bad” students but every school has those. Not like I go to some fancy school either (my public school is 30% black, 30% Asian, 20% white and 20% Hispanic so I think it’s a pretty good representation of an average American school)

[@TheMNHShow]

I recommend everyone sit in silence for at least 30 minutes a day. It helps you be patient and control your thoughts and stimulation

[@xeyesofstardustx]

Honestly, testing was never really an accurate way to make sure students were retaining information. I remember when I was in school I would just cram study for the test and immediately dumped information out the second the test was over.

[@yoyeojin1747]

there are so many factors and the teachers and the kids are the victims. covid played a major role in how BEHIND the kids are. lots of parents seem completely checked out of their children’s lives. and the school system doesn’t support anyone other than themselves. the system sets the kids up to fail and leaves the teachers to pick up the pieces

[@BenSwagnerd]

Im in my 30s and have worked in education since i was still in college (not ever as a full time teacher responsible for grading, but more in the role of substitute teacher, after school program employee, and field interpreter for kids on field trips). Reading comprehension is definitely way down in my experience. But like... of course the kids are suffering. Its hard to meet kids on their level remotely. But things like "no child left behind," teaching TO standardized testing, and underpaying teachers to the point where theyre checked out? It's all contributing for sure.

[@macy2058]

Completely anecdotal, but none of this is a super new issue. I'm a senior in high-school, and when I was in 6th grade, behavior just was not disciplined -- ever. A lot of advanced/honors track kids, myself included, would get so frustrated with how often our classes were disrupted that we contemplated trying to "get in trouble" ourselves, because the "punishment" was to sit in a quiet classroom and do our work. The consequence for misbehavior was so lax that it seemed like a reward to students who actually cared about their work, which is crazy to me. It's no surprise that issues have just gotten worse.

[@johnnam1380]

No, but this is so spot on. I teach middle school, and my kids are so low academically. I work in the inner city, so we have kids with trauma impacting them at home so I can’t blame them for acting out when their home life is hell, but at the same time, they need to know how to interact with others and learn to read and spell 😬

[@Gumbyloomy]

I know a ton of people have commented this but calling them gen z really makes your credibility sound iffy bc its very clearly gen alpha

[@smallgreenlimabean]

honestly, i am happy all of these things are finally being talked about. i come from a family of teachers, and many of these issues have been a problem for a long time. i know it feels like the pandemic really exacerbated it, but many teachers have been struggling with the crappy education system for a long time. it's great that these realizations are finally spreading beyond those who work in the education sector, because i think we can all work together to improve things. i personally believe things aren't necessarily a whole lot worse than ever before-to me it sort of negates how difficult teachers have had it for so long. i think this is just a big transitional period- it's a new era of increased technology usage, and it's been a huge cultural shift, not even mentioning the pandemic. we all have to figure out how to navigate these things. it sucks that it had to take a huge pandemic for so many people to realize how essential and undervalued teachers but it's amazing that people are finally listening. teachers have been underpaid and mistreated for YEARS, and finally the general public seems to be waking up. 👏

[@SavageMinnow]

It's America. They value firearms over education. It's not gonna change.

[@The_Jerkinator]

As a middle GenZ (2005) I think this would apply more to Gen Alpha My sis is gen alpha and shes in 6th grade rn. *the jist of this is that adults and schools have no resources, children are treated as second class citizens, children will never ACTUALLY be a priority, and Covid screwed Gen Alpha up so terribly developmentally* My theory on why some of this happens is a mix of: low funding and attention to schools Bad resources for parents/families COVID As much as ppl love to say in America "what about the children!", children are and have always been systematically treated lesser than human. The education system is outdated, theres very little funding, yet adults that are supposed to watching over them and supporting teachers go ape shit if a tax dollar goes up 1% to go to the schools I have also noticed that there is SO MUCH SEGREGATION in schools. At least where I am, there is an old school that was practically cut in half for the rich and prestigious and then the other side, filled with roaches, mold, and terrible curriculum is where most other students go. Its awful. Theres a clear divide and what I think imo, shows clear priorities. Now- with little recourses for families and parents? That sounds pretty self explanatory, especially with how the economy is rn. HOWEVER America is very "every man for himself". Always has been. And anything thats done to help those in need were always a front for greed. Theres no winning. Not to mention its hard for parents to properly know what to do and bond with their child(ren) bc of this ideal. Most cultures in Europe, Asia, and Africa have big support groups and almost literally go by "it takes a village to raise a child". Its very common for grandparents to help a lot, and common for paid maternity and paternity leave. But not America! Parents have no body to talk to. Most families need both parents to work to scrape by, most people never have time for each other. So parents are going to slap and Ipad in their child(rens) hands so they can just think for a second. Last but not least, COVID-19. I myself am still feeling its effects. Im autistic- so that didn't help at all (i also do have an anxiety and depression disorder). COVID screwed up my high school years. I practically went from fresh out of middle school to suddenly being an adult. I wasn't able to get that middle. I wasnt able to have a time to be stupid and goofy. I didn't have a time to socialize and so "normal teenage things". Never been to a party, never had a sleepover, never had a chance today do anything. And I feel so bad about it. But think of the Gen Alpha here (that is what these teachers are mainly talking bout. Most GenZ is now getting out of public school), they have some of their most developmental years in socials and learning and curiosity absolutely DESTROYED. Of course they aren't going to do well! Of course they're all failing! Because they were so developmentally busted and I dont think theres any healing that will come from it. Now, do I think is teachers (hopefully) put in effort (instead of being mad making tiktoks??) and god yk... paid that students would spark? Definitely. Do I think that kids will mostly grow out of it? 100%. I remember I almost failed middle school (along with most my peers) but once I got into HS (and now im college) I take upper level classes and get As and Bs (math being a C). We literally all have that gross weird phase. Its inevitable. So I also think adults need to stop fear mongering children? YEAH. God thing amount of fear mongering I see now is terrible. Kids cant go outside and play with chalk and bikes anymore with it or some cranky ass sticking their nose in everyone's business. Literally, few weeks back a woman on our street was tattled onto by a neighbor to CPS bc her kids fell on their bike, got a little banged up, but didn't go running to mom (he has always been like that).

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Damn it’s almost like we went through multiple mass traumas and shoved vulnerable children back to school without any help or assistance or something

[@BloodSweatandFears]

But previous generations saw mass traumas as well with even less help. I think the defining factor is social media/technology overuse. Mixed with the aforementioned mass traumas, that’s my opinion.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

@@BloodSweatandFears i think you need a peer-reviewed study to back that claim up

[@BloodSweatandFears]

@@nervousbreakdown711 It’s just a theory I’ve seen spoken about and I believe it to be true.

[@pixels1081]

@@BloodSweatandFears I think the technology thing is more of a symptom and not the cause. First, covid was a big hit, obviously, but then, the work load of homework and even class work is horrible. I remember doing common core and spending at least 3 hours of homework every school night. Every night. That's if there wasn't a project or test due the next week. That raised levels of stress and anxiety among students, myself included. There's also the constant of not listening to kids, no matter what. I swear I remember an teacher thought I must have done something to be kicked in the face by another kid. But guess what, it was an accident. We were on the school bus, I think leaving school, and I was over the seat, as in not sitting down but in fact looking over the seat in front of me because I was excited about something. When suddenly a foot socked me in the jaw, and I think I bit my lip or something? I don't quite remember what happened but my dad was there with the teacher trying to figure out what happened. The teacher immediately assumed I did something to the kid for me to get kicked in the face. But thankfully my dad new me and simply didn't believe that and was trying to talk to the teacher about, while her dumbass simply couldn't fathem that an accident could in fact happen. Now, that was just one experience out of the hundreds that have happened to me and perhaps thousands of experiences that happened to other kids as well. Adults just don't care. Kids are considered to be people. In fact, it closer to call "proto-people" based on how adults treat them CONSTANTLY. So, I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents, the system, and the government itself for not doing shit to help these kids.

[@kaiaa.5172]

A trauma? Dude, get real.

[@PrincessCringe]

I’m a sophomore in high school and I def feel like Covid has affected me a lot. Nothing as dramatic as being at a 4th grade level as a 13 year old lol, but there has been a decline. I feel like a can’t process information, and I don’t have any motivation or passion for any of the things I used to be at least a little bit interested in learning. I really don’t feel like I’ve learned anything since Covid started. My heart goes out to these kids, the fact that they’re falling behind on basic skills like reading and writing is scary

[@steadybass1372]

I was raised by teachers and I spent 8 years running various youth programs. It's definitely a combo of different factors. The school administrators are under pressure from higher ups and parents to not suspend/discipline kiddos cuz it makes the school's stats look bad, so there's barely any follow through when a teacher sends a kiddo up to the office. In the classroom, not only are they expected to teach academics, but (like police officers) we as a society have also made teachers into counselors, nurses, behavior specialists, while not compensating or even giving them enough basic supplies, and teachers end up spending out of their pockets. While running kid programs, I've had both parents and my supervisors get mad at me for positively reinforcing rules and teaching kids how to be humans. And the poor kiddos are caught in the crossfire of all this mess, while the adults can't agree, so they get mixed messages of what kind of behavior/choices are appropriate at what times and locations.

[@CameronTV]

I can confirm this by working with teens & youth in underprivileged communities in Oakland Richmond, Inglewood, & South Central LA … CA’s education system in non wealthy communities has dropped drastically in quality teaching so bad that test scores are now compared to states like Alabama & Louisiana …CA used to be the standard that most of the nation looked up too but now majority of teachers have left the state cuz it’s not affordable leaving us with people like me teaching high school 1 year after finishing college & majority of youth cheat in school so we are DOOMED at this moment

[@CameronTV]

It’s getting worst seriously majority of youth uses ‘PhotoMath’ to show them how to do their math homework for each problem step by step putting them behind once they reach college … & now they use AI to write papers & other softwares just to make the AI not sound to real like an AI to help with plagiarism… this is our current state of education no lie I meet hundreds of youth