Why Charging By The Hour Doesn't Make Sense

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[@chicanoman2999]

"Just cause I can do it faster, doesn't mean I'm worth less"

[@prawnchips9461]

Well, if you put it that way...

[@shannonhensley2942]

My art projects that we were supposed to do in class over a long period of time made it hard for me to focus on it. But when I get to take it home I can get it done in one night.

[@solusgamer164]

She didn't agree

[@ratha8665]

I told this to my wife and she just shook her head in disappointment. She don't agree sadly

[@9manny99]

But you can also do it worse. Find the industry average add or take away for cost

[@TheShadoxXx]

If i do a job in 30 minutes, you don't owe me for the 30 minutes. You owe me for the years it took me to learn to do it in 30 minutes

[@BlueOriginAire]

the customer has to be told this, their parents nor schooling ever taught them to think outside the box.

[@jamiescott5841]

Amen

[@afti03]

That's what i keep telling clients ..

[@MrJustjames1]

Well said!

[@tymelgrant5138]

Great analogy. I never looked at things like this. Thank you.

[@MaxximTech]

As a mechanic, this is a conversation I've had dozens of times.

[@joys8634]

Exactly why I do my own repairs now. Guys line you charge 500-1000 for replacing a timing belt like it's extroardinary lmao. Did the same thing at 20% the cost

[@compoundalchemistget1monan591]

Only one way to profit big- we have held put options on QQQ and shorted the Nasdaq, as well as some overvalued stocks, since January. Derivatives such as futures have been utilized when crude oil skyrocketed! We are dollar cost averaging in to index funds, ETFs such as SPY and QQQ on red days for future compound interest - but not all at once. I have held cash from the sale of all my Nasdaq & SP500 primary holdings since January, and am gradually buying back in the more the market sinks. How much further will it drop? I'm not sure, but I DID CALL THE TOP ALMOST TO THE DAY. So far we have only invested a fraction of the funds that generally make up our primary holdings. I think we could drop further, as earnings will be dropping, as well as other GEOPOLITICAL risks currently escalating; China & Russia & the US bickering and all...

[@Rockardo_]

EXACTLY flat rate is such a bitch

[@AdenosineBro]

Exactly- it took you 15 years to learn change oil, but now your customers can do it if they value money

[@MilitanT07]

mechanics are the sleaziest people around.

[@danieldewitt6230]

Cheap work ain't good and good work ain't cheap!!! FACTS!!

[@genera1013]

"Get this done faster" translates to "Do more work for less money"

[@americanpatriot7508]

I make $43 an hour soon it will be $46 an hour and i can tell you absolutely in my situation, i am a machinist and for me the saying the more you make the less you do it so true. I work at a refinery not the safest place though but I live a comfortable life and this company is even paying for me to finish my mechanical engineering degree.

[@albertenvajohannes2649]

Agree a set price and time limit with different types of logo. If peron does what you want day one that better for your company image that is going to be protected. Not a good scenario to use!

[@Kaidvn]

“But at the end you get a happy costumer which means better review which means more costumers which means more money”

[@nogerboher5266]

No. I'm not paying for the time it took to make the product and I'm not paying for the workers experience, I'm paying to get the highest quality product available and if I have to pay for the work or for the workers experience, I will not be buying the product at all, because that means I'm paying premium for the work done, not the quality of the product. You should be paying for the quality of the product not for the work it took to make it and not for the experience of the worker that made it. What's the point of paying a premium if a professional worker with 50 years of experience can't make a better product than a newcomer worker with 2 months of experience? You guys are all brainwashed by these videos...

[@MrArtVein]

That's why exchange of time for money is the biggest mistake to generating wealth. Even if you did max out your energy you're still capped at 24 hrs a day. 16 in the US legally. Hourly doesn't work if you have in demand skills

[@xxdrbadassxx]

I like that this kid asked these questions. I know people would think that he got “roasted” or something from this teacher but the guy asked questions, got answers and learned something. Hopefully he goes places in life.

[@thehz8613]

Me too

[@natashabrooks4188]

I agree. Great that he asked the question and the teacher/artist answered so nicely

[@ballislife9092]

These are adults asking questions lol

[@Antonjlavey]

The teacher is stupid these people are a dime a dozen

[@twisterrrrr]

Exactly! I was thinking the kid is asking a good question and the answer he got teaches the entire class a great lesson.

[@Hi11Zones]

Exactly why corporate jobs are a joke. I broke every record in less time, yet... was not given more...

[@Imjonny264]

Did you manage up? You gotta report your wins. And if that fails, you jump ship

[@domieSinday]

that's why I became a freelancer

[@josephhayden9595]

Well then take your skill somewhere else and if no one else is willing to pay you more. Then sorry your skill is not as valuable and rare as you thought it was.

[@AliA-gj2tp]

Are you the guy who's working like 'click click ready for usage" and the next day a plane is crashing?

[@franko8572]

What type of work were you doing?

[@richieknight5423]

Efficiency, consistency, accuracy. That's they key variables that are rarely discussed.

[@ahmadashraf9448]

That's why people slack off at work. Being good and efficient only leads you to getting more work compared to others with the same payment. Most company don't recognize efforts anyway.

[@himboprince]

Saw this tiktok that said at work the prize for finishing the pie eating contest is just more pie - meaning, you get no reward, only more work. So might as well take your time and just meet deadlines

[@boss-anova]

You should look for jobs that pay comission if you want to be paid for efficiency. Its not hard to actually think, bro.

[@GgCashh451]

Exactly once I charged this lady 60 to clean her house in an hour and she said why I deserve to be paid 60 for an hour of work😂I told her you’re not paying me hourly you’re paying me based on the amount of work that I’m doing! I’m just efficient enough to do it quickly

[@classydays43]

Casual staff literally get paid more money the more hours they work. That's why being better at your job makes more sense, because more hours = more pay. Of course, if your pay was a fixed rate no matter how much you worked, I'd understand where you're coming from.

[@squizzyicetea]

Yup! I went from working the Deli to becoming the supervisor for the Bakery in a year. I didn't realize that I'd have to do the managers work too while they sat there "going over numbers" Feeling under appreciated is one thing. Being taken advantage of is another.

[@Namiizan]

First time I’ve ever actually seen someone accepting that they’re wrong

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

This is another problem in itself. The ego getting in the way of learning something new.

[@juantwotree5710]

Not enough people understand, that the moment when u realize/admit that you are wrong, IS the moment when you are NO LONGER WRONG.

[@Mike-ul7of]

@@jayrazz1783 lmaoooo facts

[@unicorn484]

@@jayrazz1783 Being sexist gets you nowhere in the 21st century

[@solihinusman]

I think cuz this was a q&a session by audience that attended to learn.

[@Alexskateboards10]

As somebody who’s run a relatively successful business the last 3 years, I have to say you are so consistently on the money with your analogies. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen somebody put these business principles into such a clear context. As a businessman, I feel these things and know they make sense in my brain, but articulating them to myself or rather… to a client proves to be a whole different challenge. The way you articulate the logic behind these concepts is artistic, and I learn from every video you post. Thank you for putting all this out there, it is golden

[@thefutur]

Thank you so much Alex.

[@BC-ny3zb]

Hahahaha

[@jw5471]

The market decides not you. How can this not be cristal clear. If you do a job faster than another you can top the market. And get more money as you work faster. The most important thing is that price needs to be set up in advance. So if you are at top price, you allready need to have established a name for yourself, have references. So as you progress in your field and can give good service and people know about it than you can go up. Would you pay an unknown guy topnotch if he said he's so. I highly doubt that if you're a businessman...

[@qaz1617]

How amazingly you broke the clients logic in front of him 👏👏

[@eo6637]

“I’m not charging you for the ten minutes it took for me to do this task, I’m charging you for the ten years it took for me to learn to do this task in 10 minutes”

[@DavidJohnson-tv2qq]

True wisdom.

[@mismatchedsock1982]

Really well put.

[@AirborneAnt]

Learn faster than 10 years lol

[@SoulshadeVr101]

Right I think people should start to get payed for how much work they do rather then time put in if someone works there ass off to do a good job regardless of job they should be payed more

[@ThatWhichObserves]

@@AirborneAnt the marker for mastery is 10,000 hours.. A thousand hours a year of practice is not negligible

[@richiegarcia-lopez4268]

As my father always said, “I get paid for what I know, not for what I do”

[@dan8753]

For WHO you know.

[@whengrapespop5728]

@@dan8753 Depends on your work. But yeah, if the client knows you have the right connections, I bet they would happily pay more,

[@couldbeworse1488]

Was your dad a politician?

[@richiegarcia-lopez4268]

@@couldbeworse1488 HVAC-R licensed contractor ? Why?

[@anunknownperson4018]

your dad is right. A family member works for a famous cosmetics company and they told them that by the years they will increase their money

[@jdebpvfcoo05]

I love this video which made 5 years ago, it still helps me right now.

[@LatoyaTUnderwood]

People need to understand we put years yearssss into getting where we are. Know your value

[@INFJ1992]

💯💯💯

[@detroitMC313]

When a professional does something for you quickly in 10 minutes, you're not paying for the 10 minutes, you're paying for the 10 years they've been doing that skill to perfect it in such a way.

[@cuauhtemocmorisco3493]

Exactly its like asking a watch maker to make an amazing piece of a watch in under 2 hours then paying him only 200 dollars for the job he did when in reality the watchmaker had to work with complicated micro pieces, was pressured, and still managed to make the watch work for you. Your paying for the years of experience he has had.

[@tianthee]

And what the endured to learn the skill (etc, uni fees)

[@lynnecarnivale5085]

Did you get that quote from my brother? Ha! He says that all the time. I agree with BOTH of you! God bless! Peace, Lynne 🍃💜🍃

[@lunron9548]

So true

[@NormanReaddis]

Most of them don't think like that If you're fast they'll gonna squeeze you out utilizing you of your limits cause it's an hourly job I burned out as a designer doing in house job Even freelancing is mostly the same if you're not a well known designer, they're just gonna utilize your skills just to justify the pay that you already showcase by being fast "But i would also ask, why would it take that long to make a logo?" As a designer making a Logo takes time, effort and research If the client is fickle it'll take longer Making a logo takes about hundreds of variations not including the revisions Sometimes they always had a change of mind about the color, position and worst the whole thing So making it hourly and you're a fast designer, they'll just gonna utilize your skill to it's limits thinking they need to justify the time spent and the amount they're paying making you a template designer not a concept artist So asking "why did it take a long time" is quite the irony

[@halvey8518]

Hourly rate: Yeah I’m working on it, might take a while though Set Salary per year: Yeah I’m on it, I’m not staying late though Earning a Commission: It’s done

[@crimsontide9532]

🤣Ikr

[@darkmarolinha]

It may be cheap, fast or good. Pick two.

[@theclingyfox7899]

They're all trade offs in quality VS speed. Commission is the lowest quality one, you are punished for putting in extra time to the product because you are being paid a set amount and unlike yearly you can make more money the less time you spend on something. It does also incentives you to learn how to get better for faster throughput and thus more money, but you can make similar "but..." Arguments for the other 2.

[@rehn4529]

@@theclingyfox7899 no you can't 😆. Salary is over/under, hourly/ under, commission/ is balanced makes you improve in order to do more sell more. It's pretty simple. Especially if you've worked all 3 before

[@TwistyKitty]

@@theclingyfox7899 None of that is true. Your description of salary is what it looks like on paper, but the reality is that anyone working a salaried position is oftentimes required to work a minimum that's over the standard 40 hours a week. Additionally, salaried jobs typically come with significantly more responsibilities than those of hourly workers, i.e. management. With commission, you have more control over how much you actually work. While it's heavily dependant on you being hired for a specific job, you also have the ability to turn away work, make your own hours and pay rates, and prioritize work flow. You get none of that with salary as your employer dictates your entire work schedule.

[@TXnine7nine]

My uncle worked as a handy man and he didn’t charge per hour. He charged based on the end result. Example: He might charge $200 to tile a bathroom floor. Whether it took him 1 hour or 4 wasn’t important. He wouldn’t be punished for installing it quicker but it also gave him and his employees an incentive to not slack off as his hourly earnings would continue to diminish the longer it took. $200/hr for 1 hour, $100/hr for 2 hours, $50/hr for 4 hours etc. His company also had a workmanship guarantee so as to avoid the issue of his workers potentially doing a terrible job to go as quick as possible.

[@jw5471]

Lol that's not how it works. You establish a price in advance. Not afterwards.

[@josephlemus8307]

That only works if you are charging that cheap so nobody’s too worried about 200$

[@pchchunjea]

Exactly why I quit my salary job and got a commission job. Making twice the money for two thirds of the effort. Being efficient should reward you, not punish you.

[@davidrynberk1533]

Salary or the contract pays x amount.. it is usually extra work for no pay.. can't speak for everyone but its not a win for most employees.

[@DC-yk6od]

"I'm being punished for me being efficient or really good " That's the best out of this video

[@kimanijosephwainaina4226]

Had a client try to pay me less cause we painted a house quicker than scheduled.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@daway212]

That’s cause of how society has been trained to think, since we all grow up being paid by the hour for work

[@fatbroccoli8]

@@kimanijosephwainaina4226 should get a bonus (ofc if quality is of high standard too)

[@kokolatte825]

Thats the literal point to the whole video

[@Print2shoot]

Screenshot ... I wish I had a better way to keep awesome thoughts like this in a way that I can see and be reminded by them from time to Time

[@marks9444]

This reminds me of the story where Picasso drew someone's picture for them super fast. They asked why he was charging so much, it only took five minutes. He said, "No, it took me a lifetime."

[@bobs8005]

Took a lifetime To learn the skills is the key takeaway

[@peterparker9286]

100

[@derkaderkastan420]

Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast. Fast is skill

[@beatboxerz]

BARS✊🏾👑

[@rea9473]

Bars

[@PSKim_PoiZen]

no one has every explained this issue more clearly than this man

[@joshuapatrick682]

This is why I love my job in sales! I get paid for production and it is up to me to make sure my time is managed in accordance with that reality.

[@TannerGarcia]

1. Skilled labor isn’t cheap and cheap labor isn’t skilled. 2. You pay me for my knowledge, not my time. Those two things have stuck with me for years already.

[@mariomurillo1814]

Wise words to work by, you're clearly a union man like myself.

[@daveortwine2107]

@@mariomurillo1814 lmfao. If that was the case you wouldn't need to be in a union.

[@TheExterminatorGuy]

@@daveortwine2107 collective bargaining, bud. Everyone should be in a union

[@Lifechanging99999]

@@TheExterminatorGuy lol no.

[@ErickWright]

@@mariomurillo1814 that's the total opposite of Union talk... Unions prefer high hourly rates paid by the hour... Even if the work isn't amazing

[@cyriszx]

If you think hiring an expert is expensive, wait till you hire an amateur.

[@myRefuge3710]

HA!

[@theredpillneo2296]

Then u still gota pay the expert to fix what they fucked up😂

[@cyriszx]

@@theredpillneo2296 that's exactly what I ment by that

[@hersheyskwertz9315]

This is the best line I’ve stumbled across!

[@davida12345]

What are you a pizza guy?

[@derek4698]

First he said I will pay you more if you took your time. Now he’s saying, why did you take that long. So what is it? Long or not long

[@AliA-gj2tp]

It's just bs

[@Sven_Ark]

A girl makes deals like this 😂

[@ragingjojo]

This concept blew me away recently when I noticed in iceland there's no minimum wage the wages are agreed upon at hiring its kinda Interesting

[@grimm_comics]

If it's high quality, the producer makes the price, if it's high quantity, the consumer makes the price.

[@sheldonhatch8255]

I like this

[@jodofly1158]

@@sheldonhatch8255 same

[@amercya2953]

Consumer always makes de price. Even with high end/ luxury products

[@grimice415]

@@amercya2953 That's not true in what world is the price of Gucci, LV, Birkins, etc. being controlled/determined by the consumer.

[@brettbrewer4646]

@@grimice415 it is to a point. People have a perceived value of those products, and that's why people will pay it. There is still a cap at what people are willing to pay. If no one is buying the products, they would have to lower the price.

[@ryant2568]

A mechanic charges you $200 for a 30 minute job. You are not paying him for the 30 minutes it took him to do the job but rather the 30 years it took for him to get good enough to do it in 30 minutes.

[@Sunkhrist]

Woah that analogy can sort of apply to music. But the way you put this into words is perfect. i legit can’t for when I do music long enough to where it’s second nature 💖

[@Hellsing12002]

Imagine taking 30 years to learn how to replace a battery in 30 minutes.

[@r.m.l2665]

@@Hellsing12002 if you need a mechanic to replace your battery then you need to learn yourself lol

[@San-sz4iy]

Ah so you mean the price is based on skill. That sounds reasonable but that’s an unattractive business habit

[@Hellsing12002]

@@r.m.l2665 ??? Where did you see me mention not being able to replace a car battery myself?

[@Parasita52]

Picasso once sat in a caffee. A waiter recognized him and asked for a drawing. Picasso took a napkin and drew a uncreadably beautifull scetch and charged him 500 dollars. The waiter was sprechless why he would chage that much because it took him only seconds. Picassa answered: my friend, it took me 40 years to leran to do it that fast.

[@mahirkarim6884]

Picasso was at a Paris market when an admirer approached and asked if he could do a quick sketch on a paper napkin for her. Picasso politely agreed, promptly created a drawing, and handed back the napkin - but not before asking for a million Francs. The lady was shocked: “How can you ask for so much? It took you five minutes to draw this!” “No”, Picasso replied, “It took me 40 years to draw this in five minutes.” This reminds me of that

[@diamondisland2023]

i used to say "that was then, this is now" as a reference and argument at once in middle school but, reading your comment makes it sound dumb

[@cesarsales22]

"don't believe everything you read on the internet" - Albert Einstein

[@dildoshwaggins4905]

A wise man once told me, "get a job that pays for the work you do, not your time."

[@vincecastillo4962]

What jobs are those?

[@xxtriggerede3517]

I don't get it, explain?

[@NINJAHAM69]

@@vincecastillo4962 plumber , electrician , computer engineer ,software engineer , penetration tester All charge 40$ a hour or more , u charge for the work you do , not usually how long it is , simple work for plumbers charges 200-500$ really simple , they can get in done in less than a hour (if something wrong more) electricians install lights and new switches that take a hour or less and charge 300-500 ridiculous but it’s how it goes as for computer science jobs there pay is really generous , gotta find a job that is tolerable, work is not suppose to be fun

[@vincecastillo4962]

@@NINJAHAM69 thank you brother!

[@AL-xq6jt]

@@NINJAHAM69 that is a really sad perspective on jobs :v 'If u work at something you like you dont work a day in your life' ever heard that saying :v enjoy what you do in life not make it boring What the wise man actually meant was have a job that pays for ur expertise, something u have specialised in and not jobs like fastfood places etc that pay you by the hour for doing somwthing relatively easy. If u a doctor for example you are getting payed for ur expertise or as u said plumbers electricians too :v somwthing the general public can NOT do without you

[@Karzakus]

Ive literally experienced this exact thing before. I was offered 20 bucks an hour to do a job. I was capable of doing it in 30 minutes, but you know sure as hell i took 3 hours to do it instead

[@BizBuyer7X]

Lawyers, who have templates for agreements, do the same thing

[@Perbert_art]

Same with Artist. U don’t pay them by hours, u pay them for their experience and knowledge and skills.

[@everettmantis3951]

“You’re not paying me for what I do, you’re paying me for what I know how to do”

[@MS-pw8yu]

As a mechanic, this 1000%.

[@kjcorder]

@@MS-pw8yu how about what the labor cost book says.

[@MS-pw8yu]

@@kjcorder As an aviation, auto, and bicycle mechanic people scoff at the cost of maintenance. We get paid not for just our time, but our expertise to 1)be able to do it in the first place and 2)do it right the first time. And there is no "labor cost book" as an independent mechanic. I charge for parts, shop costs, and finally my labor/expertise. The last part is where people balk.

[@kjcorder]

@@MS-pw8yu they haven't been burned yet then. I will gladly pay for experience. Especially after saving a buck and getting screwed or saving a buck trying to diy it and getting in way over my head. But I also do as much research as I can on the mechanic/shop to validate for myself and justify the cost eventhough I already know it's worth it. Peace of mind is priceless though.

[@sprtsfanatic1]

@@MS-pw8yu This right here is why my entire family and I have taken all of our cars to the same mechanic for 20+ years

[@cristiandario]

Time is money, but talent, effort, intelligence, craftsmanship it’s also money. It’s a combination of a lot of things what determines price and it changes for every business.

[@anunknownperson4018]

that is why companies want SKILLED employers

[@novakitty1619]

@@anunknownperson4018 Nah, I'd say companies want overqualified people to work for them for less than they're worth.

[@hreade8772]

Value is the price someone is willing to pay. If someone asks me why they should pay me "x" I respond by saying because someone else will.

[@kameroncharest6348]

@@novakitty1619 you must be new to the work force. Companies will actually deny you employment if you’re over qualified. They’ll tell you that they don’t feel this would be best for your career and can’t employ you but wish you luck

[@rebeccah4177]

Time is much more valuable than money. hourly wages should be removed. People should receive a percentage of the company's profits based on their position and receive bonuses based on hitting personal targets. People working for themselves need to charge what they feel comfortable charging. The free market will decide how successful they are based on the value they provide.

[@amberslilrose3954]

He's not factoring in competition. The guy had a very legitimate question.

[@jakemorrison548]

He’s banking on the quality of his work and his reputation. Those 2 speaks volumes. If people want the best, they’ll call him. If they can’t afford it they’ll find cheaper

[@blazer168]

My best friend had exactly this problem, he used to be a freelance artist and made logos for companies. Even when they liked the logos he had to wait a week or two to let the customers FEEL like they got their money's worth. A lot of the times they'd try to weasel out of paying.

[@mr.mckinnon5680]

"I'm not charging you $20,000, to hit your machine with a hammer. I'm charging you 20 grand, to know where, to hit your machine with a hammer." Master Engineer.

[@SpontaneouCombustion]

I don't think you know how a comma, works. You aren't supposed, to use them, like this.

[@pivgfm]

@@SpontaneouCombustion 😂😂

[@shaneboy823]

@@SpontaneouCombustion He's an engineer, you minute man.

[@2Beasty]

@@SpontaneouCombustion you didn't know that this was a Christopher Walken quote?

[@mr.mckinnon5680]

@@SpontaneouCombustion ... so what you're saying is... someone who purposely used a comma to engineer a run-on sentence... with the intent of emphasizing a specific point... was a mistake? 🤔 Did you read with the intent to respond? Or the intent to understand? Cuz that sounds like a whole lot of you problem... And not a me problem.

[@itsmesteve1081]

This has been around for so long now. Actually be good at your job and then all of a sudden you're carrying everybody's weight but still get paid the same or sometimes even less than your peers.

[@gar2yc]

In Brazil they just fire you before a full contract, so they won't have to pay taxes and benefits.

[@morningivy]

@@gar2yc In Soviet Russia, worker fire boss.

[@BobBob-we3wr]

That's why there should be ways to grow within a company by your quality of work, attitude , skills etc. Unfortunately in recent years places like Walmart Amazon excetera got rid of incentives to want to grow. Reason being it was determined racist or some other nonsense. (Why this guy get promoted and I didnt? Must be race because he was here for 1 year less then me. Its not the fact he works ot and does his job better... Heaven's no) So now if you work at Walmart there is no reason to put in that extra effort. It reminds me of China. Workers in China will not do any extra work or go the extra mile for anything. They know everyone has the same pay, everyone has the same benefits, everyone has the same vacation time and no ones climbing anything. It's honestly quite depressing not seeing anyone care to stand out. Sad America is turning into this.

[@rianagrace8919]

Right🤦🏾‍♀️

[@railerswim]

Happening to me right now. Granted my bosses want to pay me more but HR denied my level and pay bump for financial reasons

[@timothywillis7872]

It is crazy how many companies think the way the students does and are still on the freaking top! Thank you for pointing this out

[@bananabackwoods5128]

My grandma would always have me go grab a few friends to do some chores and she would never charge by the hour she said if we can get it done within a hour and a half to 2 hours of moving things from storage or so on and we would all work so hard and so well she would end up paying 3 of us each 60$ for a non stop work for a hour and a half. I always thought we where robbing her but then I realize she was really just smart.

[@thefutur]

Smart lady.

[@samuelbell9106]

When I worked at McDonald's, my friend told me I get paid by the hour, not by the burger. That's when I realized how much hourly pay doesn't incentivize hard work

[@user-mg1cc3wr5o]

I work at McDonald's now. I'm on my feet for 8 hours, I'm constantly cleaning, running around, delivering meals to cars and dealing with complaints. The fact that I earn £70 a shift for that is shocking to me.

[@samuelbell9106]

@@user-mg1cc3wr5o A manager left me to run the whole drive thru (and most of the grill) by myself. I had at least 100 cars in the drive thru during the morning rush. I can only imagine how crappy it is now cuz of covid. And the fact most restaurants are short staffed nowadays. Good luck to you

[@user-mg1cc3wr5o]

@@samuelbell9106 Jesus, that's awful. Thank you

[@ava_radio988]

You do get raises for hard work though, I started at 7.50 at my fast food place and now I make 11. Not a manager or anything and I make 50 cents less per hour than my HEAD manager. That being said, you could be the best damned fast food worker to ever exist and you could still only get so far, cause it’s fast food 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@organic4millennials308]

@@ava_radio988 great commment

[@zackblack1387]

This is so true being a designer. A friend of mine had a client say, "why should I pay you so much for something that took you 10 minutes to complete.?" His response was, "because I spent thousands of dollars at college to be able to complete it in 10 minutes."

[@anunknownperson4018]

well said!!!!

[@alextrollip7707]

And im sure also hundreds if not thousands of hours of practise

[@Mr.Magic_Gadget]

Mic Drop!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Mr.Magic_Gadget]

Love that response

[@a6o932]

So because he attended college it adds value? Really are we going to discredit a craftsman that's done it all his life because he didn't go?

[@mist1242]

Entry level shift jobs: pay by the hour Managing Jobs: pay by salary, commissions. Skill based jobs: pay based on efficiency, skill and reputation. Example: look at my edited pictures, you like the quality. Look at my rates, you like the efficiency. Look at your request, make a deduction.

[@thefutur]

Good one

[@EddysCousin]

Ive always loved the response: "as a business person, yes" hahaha

[@beluapi8865]

As a professional window cleaner this concept hits home. I work hard and efficiently and I make it look easy so people don’t think I should be charging what I do.

[@jasonsweeney6458]

Bro lol I'm a window cleaner as well and was thinking the exact same thing. I charge by the job and I always hear " wow that was quick" and I always tell them " well I've been doing it for 20 years"

[@gregsall5872]

Im a laborer I like being on the ground you fuckers are crazy thank you for your work!

[@travism9197]

Same, spray foam insulation and we knock out 4k to 6k jobs in a day, typically they love and see the hard labor it takes to get the correct ane nice work done but I know some feel they get screwed thinking 1 day and it costed that much!

[@akilomari4973]

This changed my outlook on paying for services

[@ceciphar]

@@rubiks15 how much do they charge? 200 bucks?

[@davidshaw1417]

It's like the woman questioning Picasso why he would charge her 10k for a sketch that took 30 seconds to draw. He replies no it took me 40 years. You're paying for the persons expertise. Including all the schooling, time and craft that got them to that stage.

[@bjrmagic1]

Literally the best comment

[@davidshaw1417]

@@bjrmagic1 Thank you 😁

[@boydmanuel9257]

That part right there!

[@dragonmartijn]

It is the market. Some artists still paint crap after 40 years trying. Some people value Picasso as crap, some want to pay him millions. Picasso only sells “expensive” in the eyes of the first group.

[@kevinmcfadden9553]

But I have replaced bicycle inner tubes for 40 years. Professionally for over 25 years. I can not charge $500 to do it just because of my 40 years experience.

[@QuantumNetwork]

This makes so much sense, I’ve recently picked up a retail job to save up while in college before I emigrate away from Ireland, and I’m paid 13 euro an hour. Whenever I’m doing my work though, I naturally do it to perfection and do it fast af, but when I see everyone else taking their time and just lousing around, does it make my efforts worth more? No we are all still getting paid the same thing, i freelance editing videos and I used to be by hour as Teenager but now I always go fixed price as a video that would only take me 2 hours I’d be giving away for 40 euro, but now I can charge 200 euro fixed price and the client is usually even more happy to take on that deal as they know exactly how much they’ll pay

[@canalminimapa]

That student has a really good voice.

[@countingcards3607]

@incoherent I agree he has a good voice, but just as your name states, the student is somewhat incoherent. One example is when he agrees to the statement that he values time over money “as a business person”, where else would this scenario work? If it so comes down to his personal life, it almost seems unethical (philosophically) to not value their time over money. The point is: just because it sounds good, doesn’t mean it means anything.

[@Cloudroth]

This is exactly why I charge per job as an electrician. You also get funny looks if you're working hourly and answer your phone, leave to get parts etc.

[@jc_yadigg]

Taking my electrical exam in a few weeks!

[@pyowogcsrymuzkxdzfcv19]

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[@Immeka_Media]

Dude I just post similar to this. Lol

[@cant-get-right4814]

@@soloscreations126 dummy now ppl no not to hire Solos Creations.

[@jconia9550]

@@cant-get-right4814 😂😂😂

[@darien2612]

This guy is a great teacher. Leading his students to arrive at their own answers through carefully placed questions. Socratic method at its best. Edit: This is one of the first comments I’ve made that has got this much notice. Crazy to see how many unpleasant characters come out of the woodworks. Everyone thinks their opinions are undeniable fact & not just subjective perspectives.

[@donm2067]

Whats his name?!

[@colin_deans]

Chris Do

[@michaelmontalvo1976]

I know of a great teacher named Jesus Christ.

[@violavega4480]

@@michaelmontalvo1976 What's his KZbin? Not sure whether I found the right channel

[@CaptainFancyCat]

Umm, this only applies to art.

[@michiganpowerwashingpros9093]

I run into this with our business. What used to take me hours, takes an hour. This year with one of our units. We will have two people running two machines and getting the same work done in 30-45 minutes. Same results, just more efficient. Had people question this. They’re ok with paying that same price to take longer but can’t accept that we’re fast, efficient and offer a higher quality service with better results.

[@delmixedit]

I’ve literally been thinking this for years. Thank you for this clip. I’m not crazy 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@Vanilla.coke1234]

It’s like that post about a guy that can get a 40 hour job done in 10 and charges double for it. Because that saved time is worth the premium

[@kintamas4425]

Makes sense. Don’t they say time is money?

[@Slippy-Toad-Love]

@@kintamas4425 Considering both sides benefit from the fact that a job is done quicker, I don’t think charging double is fair.

[@Jake-qo8mz]

@@Slippy-Toad-Love its 100% worth because normally that job would take 40 hours at the standard rate... capish?

[@kintamas4425]

@@Slippy-Toad-Love uh... wouldn’t the speed of service be the result of skill? The doubling would be how the servicer values their work. If the buyer didn’t want that then they should have checked the contract more closely or hired someone else.

[@blackadam6445]

@@Slippy-Toad-Love tell me how I benefit as the builder having it done in half the time. Bragging rights? Without that money how is it fair that makes no sense. It benefits one party, not both. The employer

[@Gravel22Gaming]

It grinds my gears when my manager tells me to find something to do so we can “stay busy.” Not like I just spent the last 4 hours busting my ass so I can chill the rest of my shift, but sure

[@SparkyTheInvincible]

This is why I just started working slow the whole shift lmao

[@POTATO4444]

That's something no one tells you about. Don't work harder, is not worth. Yeah, I know what's gonna be your answer, but that's not how the world works

[@masonlee89]

You actually want to get ahead in life? Bust you’re ass for the full shift. Make sure you’re station is spotless and even help out coworkers to finish their end of night tasks as well. Than show up on time the next day. Than keep doing that. You’ll be telling the next person to make sure his station is spotless and stocked before he leaves too. The cream rises to the top.

[@tritonh5683]

When your manager tells you to find something to do without tell you what it is. This manager needs to be fired. Because obviously you guys did everything and being punished by it. If you have the skill to turn in your project 2 month early and it is great, you can take the the rest of 2 month off with a nice bonus.

[@mrt094]

That is why I like salary jobs. People get wrapped up in the no overtime pay but once you get your work done for the day you go home you get the paid the same whether it took 2 hours or 10. So your incentive to do the job in the most efficient way.

[@ScholarlyCynic]

That’s what their is usually a base pay and then you are charged hourly.

[@ubervin]

I worked for a tree cutter and some people complained that he was charging too much because he got the job done quicker than they expected this is back in the 2000s and i said it could take you five minutes and you still be able to justify your price

[@DaLoveless]

That moment when you work faster than your other workers and have a moment to rest but your boss comes around the corner and asks why you aren't working and why you aren't helping your coworkers.

[@Protactiny]

Hahahha. Yeaaah... They think you are slacking!

[@angelwaters6474]

This right here

[@jackstacks4980]

If you’re still on the clock, help your co workers.

[@mango1632]

@@jackstacks4980 Yeah, I will after I take a 5 minute breather from working so fast and efficiently leaving them in the dust.

[@emeteriozamora7592]

@@jackstacks4980 yes but most importantly teamwork

[@austinhenkel3569]

3 seconds, take it or leave it ladies, don’t punish me for efficiency 😤

[@allythompson6973]

Haha!

[@migram4190]

Lmao

[@lead6848]

I mean if u can make them satisfied in those 3 seconds its worth it

[@Lillypop93]

@@lead6848 good point it's not efficient if its not good

[@lDoxology]

🤣

[@chawkichalladia1812]

I completely agree. that's why I don't use hourly unless it's the only option for the client.

[@photografr7]

You don’t pay someone based on the time to accomplish the job, but rather on the quality of the work. If we agree that a great logo is worth $2,500, I don’t care if you took 5 minutes to produce it or 5 hours. Just show it to me next week, and I won’t ask you how long it took to make.

[@GeorgeGiann]

Common issue... - "Come on, it took you just five minutes to do this on my laptop". - Wanna know how many hours I spent learning how to do that in "just five minutes?"

[@ninejives8708]

i am also george g

[@ahmadsyafiejalaluddin8110]

He should reply.. "why dont u do it yourself then? U can save every single penny then.."

[@RSAgility]

@@ahmadsyafiejalaluddin8110 I did, and now “your company” is directly in competition with mine. Goodluck old boss, I won’t rest till your outdated old company is buried under mine 🤣😈

[@oneeyeopen2094]

This sounds exactly like making mods on games for people. I wanted to make my own, took me 2 weeks to learn the coding (I'm not a computer guy, just a determined gamer.) Next thing I know, everyone that played my mod wanted me to make them one faster and cheaper than I made my own. I made 300 dollars then quit modding for other people.

[@faded.0913]

So many coincidences I just had to leave a like and comment here. Yesterday I found a fairly decent kinda high priced 3D printer dirt cheap, basically free compared to its value because the extruders weren't working and it "wasn't behaving right" (the switches that set the max limit had a broken wire so it didn't know when to stop) Well being that I assemble 3D printers it took me 5-10 minutes to fix it didn't even need parts

[@ThatPopularKid19]

The guy asking questions is like every employer, they want it done fast so they can pay you less.

[@MACDollKai]

Yeah most of them are business students lol

[@egoy34]

he does have a point. everybody wants to know what and why they are paying for x much amount of money and not y much of money

[@mychemkomorebi]

Yea, but with creative work this isn't how it works

[@tico1267]

Shouldn't every business owners goal be to maximize profit? This allows the business to succeed and the business owner gets to continue paying the employees that need the job and money. He couldn't allow the logo or project to take longer than necessary and overpay for it but you do that too many times and you're out of business and everyone is unemployed.

[@josipmarinic9663]

@@tico1267 "maximize profit" "paying the employees" You do realize maximizing profits entails minimizing wages,right?

[@SultanSully97]

One time I had an issue with my car, about 2 hours before I fly to go on holiday. I Call my Mechanic at short notice and asked whether he could fix it for me, he said he wouldn't be able to as it would be hard to fix it in two hours. I said understandable. He called me back in 10 minutes and said If you bring it in I'll see what I can do. I brought it in and he fixed it within the hour, the job he quoted me for was £130 but I paid him £200 as a reward for doing the job quicker and at short notice. Knowing someone's value is important, because they put their effort into a service or a product they provide you to make you happy.

[@ccrdrevil2]

Used to happen to me when I was an auto tech. I was a master Toyota tech. I could do a timing belt, water pump with all seals etc in around 2-2.5 hours but the labor cost was 5.5. Customers always complained that I did it fast...but it took me years to get that good, plus tools etc.

[@purposeXpower]

“Pay me for the years of experience it took for me to be able to finish the job so quickly” -some skilled dude

[@flesruoYkcuFoGuoY]

Learn a skill, then you can bitch about cost.

[@mmjnice97]

Make perfect sense to me! Good line of thinking young man.... if that to be serious and not sarcastic. I would gladly pay some 300 dollars to tune my mustang for 15minutes then pay some dude that's learning how to tune 75 dollars to come back 5 times for a better tune on my car. The knowledge of how to quickly fix something is priceless. How long would it take me to rebuild an engine right the first time??? Hours and hours of research and trial and error, breaking stuff then the costs of me breaking stuff, having a different guy drill out the bolts I just broke off because of my lack of experience. Dude just have a pro do it right the first time and save the headache.

[@HelloThere.....]

Are you saying you haven't been paid in years? Last I checked that's illegal and you were already paid for that time.

[@iznogoud8780]

So you have worked all that years without payments?

[@purposeXpower]

@@HelloThere..... ever heard of an intern/apprentice?

[@Cshepd]

Picasso is sketching at a park. A woman walks by, recognizes him, and begs for her portrait. Somehow, he agrees. A few minutes later, he hands her the sketch. She is elated, excited about how wonderfully it captures the very essence of her character, what beautiful work it is, and asks how much she owes him. “5000 francs, madam,” says Picasso. The woman is incredulous, outraged, and asks how that’s even possible given it only took him 5 minutes. Picasso looks up and, without missing a beat, says: “No, madam, it took me my whole life.”

[@justinbrown6233]

Thank you.

[@Leon.Stanic]

The sketch: brzcJdkYwlsLaqpidGdktvs

[@akiraic]

Actually, Picasso was 20 years old when he started to become famous. So no, not "my whole life". And there are many who learn much more in much, much early stages, while people brag about decades of "experience".

[@markhuang4743]

@@akiraic it took his whole life when he said it. So it did took his whole life to be that good even he was 20. Again there’s always going to be a better skilled person than you on certain tasks, but that’s not the reason for paying less. And you might be better than someone else on other thins as well. But I do understand the bragging part. It’s frustrating so personally i think just let the work speaks for itself. If it sucks, tell them that your experience isn’t paid off like you said this time and move on. Ironically another experience gained isn’t it?

[@masewero543]

And whatever it took for her to convince Picasso probably took the woman her entire life as well

[@EPICJ0HN]

Preach. I deal with this on my electrical jobs all the time. I rewired a house: put all of the rooms on different branch circuits because the breaker were tripping, I put in 3 way switches for the lights and added new outlets for the lights and fixed many many code and safety violations I saw. When I quoted her she was fine with the number but was upset when we finished “too fast”. I said, “not only did I do everything I said I was going to do, but I brought an extra guy with me then I was originally planning to do that we would finish quicker” like she wanted me to take longer because that to her would’ve made her feel like her money went further

[@hangingwithjen]

So true especially with developers/engineers… Charge for the job, not the time it takes!

[@brycehammerton4542]

I think in general it all works out pretty fairly. Even hourly billing. If the client doesn’t feel happy regardless of how it was billed they will just choose not to work with you in the future. So it is more about creating a good relationship and trust with your client in my mind than how a project is billed.

[@connorthornberg]

Have you people never heard of the service triangle? When commissioning a job, you pick two of the three options: quick, cheap, and high quality. If you want it quick and high quality, it won't be cheap. If you want it high quality and cheap, it won't be quick. And if you want it cheap and quick, it won't be high quality. This is just a basic dynamic of how our economy works.

[@firstdondiego]

@@southsider9638 he means cheap as in inexpensive. I learned about about this triangle myself a long time ago. That idea stuck with me ever since.

[@wunna5680]

Yes I learned about this and was making good money on offer up. I used to buy bundles of hypebeast/ supreme stickers from China and would sell them 2-3 $ each. Then made enough to start my own little detailing business. 🍀

[@njb1126]

What about street food?

[@firstdondiego]

@@southsider9638 That wasn't quite the point. The point was that, if charging someone based on value over scale. It's basically about would you rather pay more and get a better product/result/service or pay based on throughput no matter what you get in return. for example, if you go to someone to get your car fixed and you pay someone $100 just to get your car function but there's someone else who can get your car almost like new but charges $200 instead. In that scenario you're paying for quality, versus someone who carges $100 to get it functional in 1 hour but another person can do it in 5 minutes but you still pay $100 to which you're paying for scale (more or less).

[@firstdondiego]

@@southsider9638 Well one could argue that in the discussion, paying for value AND scale is for the client side of the equation. From the video I would say they're discussing the Merchant side which for what the client wants are they going to get it based on its value or based on its scale, hence the service triangle. Also we don't really know what the video was about. We just see based on a heavily edited and short snippet what the implied focus of the video is. Besides this discussion was based on this guy's comment.

[@baris1513]

"Charging by the hour punishes me for being good" - that's the essence, I try to explain this to ppl for years

[@andrewlinn7863]

In some circumstances this is true. In occupations which have an uncertain length, it’s better to be paid per hour because the laborers may be unable to determine the right compensation for the job before work has started.

[@collins9708]

Not necessarily, you see i don't know what context you are coming from, but In the content of let say you change yourself by the hour to a client; buy working faster and will make less money but you will be more competitive because you will accomplish the same job for less. There will always be someone who does the job better and cheaper than you and those are the guys who win. Time is all we have so I'd rather be paid by it.

[@JesseSargentSoG]

@@collins9708 this guys right, I do this all the time, because I'm better, faster and smarter than 99% out there I save my customers lots of money and they get me more business. What OP is talking about though is a 9-5 or 7-3 started just above minimum wage or Amazon job. And to that I say, if you keep voting for more socialism like the last 100 years of more and more socialism, then don't cry about the lost capitalism and free market. You need to be competitively hard working, constantly looking for a better job, and constantly asking for a raise in that kind of work environment. Leftist world is dog-eat-dog. Liberty is about working together.

[@KroanOfficial]

@@andrewlinn7863 that’s why you shouldn’t work for a job that isn’t goal based.

[@chrish4439]

Then you're obviously not being paid an hourly wage that matches your skill. This entire argument is such a case by case basis that's it's honestly just pointless to have.

[@thefix2573]

Finish Carpenter here, I agree. I quit working hourly ($40/hr) started my own business, do the same amount of work, tippled my income.

[@Theo-ot3ee]

I currently work in the food industry and I get paid hourly. I always struggled being better than most at my places of employment because of that. People would say ''I work more than you (pointing to the fact that they worked 50 hours while I only worked 35). What I didn't tell them at the time is that what they do in 50 hours, I can do in 25. I get paid less by doing more in less time. This created a duality within myself between wanting to do my best and knowing that doing my best isn't what's ''best'' for me.. Apparently with me being 23 at the time, they couldn't pay me more using the ''you would make more than x or x'' so it's one of the many reasons I left.

[@right8630]

This guy is spot on I wish people actually understood this.

[@theogillan5510]

Apart from it only works in specific situations. Usually when someone is paid for something like a commission piece or work like a logo they are paid for the whole thing. For example they’d pay £10,000 for the logo and itself. Other jobs like flipping burgers or whatever you are being paid for the amount of time that you are doing your set job.

[@indo3972]

@@theogillan5510 yes! How you charge is circumstantial. This example of “logo design” is very specific in nature and can only compare to certain types of work.

[@right8630]

@@theogillan5510 that’s a job not a business.

[@right8630]

@@theogillan5510 but I have worked both hourly and given an estimate and I can tell u u will make more with an estimate the only thing is u can miss and lose money. It depends on how good u are at figures.

[@theogillan5510]

@@right8630 Yes but usually employers want to pay their workers the minimum

[@diegodriesens8184]

For the first time, One of these classes actually gave proper advice

[@lincoln7184]

Wow! 483 likes and I'm the first to reply. Guess you said it all.

[@HanSolo__]

First world problems. I have the same prices but earning 1/4 of your pay check.

[@lukasfogel7892]

I brought this point up to my boss one day. He would always scream at us to be more efficient but would never give us more work if we finished early. I told him we were being punished for working harder. He didn't care. From that point on, I read our quotes and always made sure we took up ALL that time if not more.

[@thefutur]

If he didn’t give you more work then he’s not punishing you.

[@lukasfogel7892]

@@thefutur when I was hourly and got sent home early, I sure was

[@BakiNBG]

Watched a few lectures by this guy, this is gold for creatives in corpo environments

[@marsortiz1826]

This is why when I clean houses I don’t charge hourly. I charge by the size of the house, how many supplies I used, and the condition of the house.

[@funkyunclenardi]

That’s right, Mars! Quantitative production is the part most folks have not introduced to the discussion until now.

[@acookie7548]

it’s also much more straightforward to clients what the final cost will be! sounds good

[@raymondcontreras9688]

I clean houses by house size and hour. Minimized the people who have small 30 minutes houses with my 1 hour minimum for clients. Some houses can be $75 and hour and some houses can be close to $175 an hour. People who pay $175 have bigger houses and usually take about 3 hours. So instead of me doing it by house and charging $215 like my competitors I end up getting close to $500. In cleaning peoples houses you only need to cater to the ones who have money for the service not everyone else. A housekeeper is a want not a need. My first year changing it up to hourly and house size I made 23% more in profit than I did the first year.

[@andrewprahst2529]

That's the way to do it

[@MrKobraKai]

And what type of happy ending your providing

[@Dalonghair]

There’s an old saying in the construction industry: “Speed, quality, low cost. Pick two.”

[@samanmahdiabadi]

Loved it ❤️

[@lostpockets2227]

So I should pick Quality and Low Cost? I don't get it...

[@maertsaidaem2106]

@@lostpockets2227 only if you have the time.

[@lostpockets2227]

@@maertsaidaem2106 oh, I get it now. thanks

[@Dalonghair]

@@lostpockets2227 You only get two, in any combination. You won’t get all three. If you want the job done fast and cheap, it’s not going to be the best craftsmanship. If you want it done fast and have the best quality product, it’s going to cost you. If you want the best quality craftsmanship with a limited budget, it’s going to take a while to get it done.

[@xzulu_ongx]

Agree to a deadline, charge a flat rate. Ive made so much for working so little at times, and its because efficiency and quality should never be punished.

[@ducktheseraph]

This is the same with body technicians. We argue with insurance companies frequently on repair times because we get "yeah but your technician will have that done in a couple hours". We'll yeah that's because they've spent 25 years learning how to be efficient at it.

[@beatm6948]

And this is exactly why, as an artist, you do not tell people how long things take you. If you do something over and over, you get better at it and more efficient. It does not mean you put in less work, or that it's of lesser quality. But people will often perceive it that way.

[@gameschadwick]

Yeah like Bob Ross. He painted glorious paintings within 30 minute episodes all the time. Just because he was fast doesn’t mean he didn’t put in effort. He was just well practiced.

[@the4given196]

I see this in schools a lot. Oh you’re finished? Here some extra exercises Like thanks for punishing me for being efficient

[@sandrajones8245]

Especially non artists/designers. I'm a freelancer and what would take me a month before, would take me a week now.

[@glu308]

I think one of the things that make people think that way is that some people do a shitty job just to make it fast. Not everyone but lots do that and that punishes the actually good artist that put in the time

[@Under-Kaoz]

@@the4given196 my entire school life.

[@willygonutz9687]

I'm a graphic artist and my rule has always been simple: 1. Good work 2. Fast work 3. Cheap work The customer can have any TWO of the above, on the understanding that they will not get the remaining option. Fast + Cheap = Not Good Cheap + Good = Not Fast Good + Fast = Not Cheap

[@reineruto3061]

Cheap + Good = Not Fast , doesn't make sense honestly ...but ok

[@mandyvankooten7308]

@@reineruto3061 he will do stuff in between. So it takes longer to finish the job

[@jasonsantana6749]

@@reineruto3061 next time just admit that you don’t understand. No need to down talk someone else. Especially when it’s done as an attempt to cover one’s inadequacy. Just be real. It’s respectful and respectable.

[@queenideas]

Hahaha, I already took a screenshot of your comment, I love it

[@willygonutz9687]

@@reineruto3061 I'll always take on work, and they are the conditions. If someone wants a good job but they don't want to pay much, I tell them: "Sure, but it will always be the last thing I work on" And I won't give a completion date. Sometimes a client is prepared to wait. Several years ago I painted a large mural on the wall of a library, the library and building were being refurbished and I was told I had 18 months to finish the job. As I wanted the job, and I estimated there was approx 200 hours in it, I was able to put in a very low quote. There were other factors: I was able to work on it outside normal work hours, etc Cheap and Good is not an option that many take because I won't guarantee a deadline, but it is an option I offer.

[@schaschia6332]

preach. ive always been a fast worker, not necessarily the business person but definitely fast and high quality

[@Streaming_Music]

Productivity is an undervalued commodity

[@ClicheOriginals]

Wish we had a class like this in art school. As an animator, I have no clue how much to charge people for a 2 second clip that took me weeks to make

[@heyyyunderrated4712]

2 seconds? 💀 thas a whole sample

[@blackshadow-_-c9441]

@@heyyyunderrated4712 Yeah, and at 60fps, its 120 frames!

[@Dante2831]

@@blackshadow-_-c9441 except most animations aren’t at 60 frames. They’re actually at a 24 frames. There’s a video by Noodle talking about interpolation and animation it’s really interesting.

[@BrettBaker0]

Have a base rate per frame and increase it depending on complexity

[@yorkoxmaul66]

That’s high school economics

[@matthewangell170]

If I do a job in 30 minutes it’s because I spent 10 years learning how to do that job in 30 minutes. You owe me for the years not the minutes.

[@creestee08]

Not to be rude. I dont get what you said. Let say it took you 10 years learning your craft. Why would i pay you for those 10 years? What if youre just slow or dumb to understand it to finish it in just 6 yrs?

[@heybro6105]

@@creestee08 we don't get to tell a doctor we'll pay him/her whatever we want because they only spent 15-20 mins with us. A doctor went to school for 8 years so he/she could efficiently provide an invaluable service.

[@dylanhughs316]

Davy Greenberg

[@creestee08]

@@heybro6105 im not sure where im going with my thoughts. its just that a doctor can only be practicing if they passed the state exams. if not, you cant solicit a fee for a service that you arent licensed to. are med students even allowed to get a license if they were able to finish the whole curriculum in 4 yrs instead of 8?

[@popculturelio]

@@creestee08 How would you learn something that takes 10 years in 6? Thats how you end up with shitty work

[@Darryl_Frost]

That's why as a very skilled and experienced electronics technician, I charged fixed rate for high end repairs, like $1000 when running my own company. Some repairs might take only an hour (plus one hour paperwork). but some may take a week. But as a good tech the point is to get the thing working. Which is what everyone wants.

[@Kirito14682]

This is why people that work in the service industry that make the most money are the ones that are the most efficient and knowledgeable.

[@laurajm3694]

This is true for blue collar jobs too. Example: An experienced mechanic with the proper tools can replace your brake pads in about 10-15 minutes. But if he hands you back your keys 15 minutes later, you’re going to be mad that you’re still paying for an hour of labor, feeling you’re being cheated. When actually, you’re trying to penalize both his skill and the dollars he’s invested in his tools to be able to do the job so quickly.

[@bitemeplss11]

👌 thats a good example

[@dp271]

As a mechanic i would just let the carsit there for half an hour so they'll think it took longer lol

[@mafiawaffle1386]

Mechanics don't charge by the hour, they charge based on men needed for the job and supplies

[@laurajm3694]

@@mafiawaffle1386 what car service or repair require multiple mechanics?

[@laurajm3694]

@@dp271 yeah, sadly that’s what we typically end up doing as well.

[@MVangelmx]

I wish people would understand this when artists charge a good amount of money for their work, you’re not paying for how much it’ll take them to complete it, you’re paying for their experience.

[@MVangelmx]

@Skip Passover imagine being this entitled.

[@the_corinthians_twelve_teacher]

Well said!

[@CharmsDad]

@@MVangelmx Or just that stupid.

[@MemberHomei]

@Skip Passover experience means in this context the collection of events that have happened in the past that led to knowledge for the artist, not having a nice time.

[@Chris-pn8pf]

@Skip Passover you can’t be more stupid bro

[@thegreenerthemeaner]

I used to work by Flat rate hour on vehicles at a dealership. I got clipped most of the time on customer pay when I got the job done before the quoted time. So it was like by the clock hour. A wiring issue came in and required 10 hours to resolve. They charged the customer 2 hours to be fair. I had to remove seats, carpeting and floor liner, trace out the issue then put it all back for a bad harness connector that wasn't visible. This was 1980. I could have just cut the carpet until I found it as it was under the seat. I thought of myself as a Technician and not a butcher. I believe in fair to all. I would have settled for half. When they wouldn't compromise, I quit that place right then and there. A job done for time and material is usually a good customer and there is trust. That is what this guy is trying to establish up front. It ain't there, especially when you present it as you are. Time and expertise come at a cost. There is a minimum charge for that. Start there, and give a date and time of presentation for approval. Take away the variables. There is the value.

[@stygianrooster2993]

This is why, as someone in construction (electrical specifically but I've done almost all of it) I always charge by the job. The product is worth say $5k. The faster I do it, the more money I make. The slower I do it, the less money i make. But it's always the same for the client. It's both encouraging and worth it for me to do a good job faster

[@tessw9744]

I'm an artist. This is EXACTLY why I don't tell clients that it takes me 3-4 hours to do a realistic 18x24 portrait. I did that once and all of a sudden they didn't want to pay me what they owed. When they get paid by the hour, judgement sets in when they come to you for the quality, but then they start doing the math.

[@aengusmacindoic4084]

Yeah all the farmers should start doing their cost based on value too....commie...

[@aengusmacindoic4084]

Or maybe I hope your never have a chance to complain about a high mechanic or doctor bill...

[@aengusmacindoic4084]

But im against a client making an agreement and trying to change it....thats b.s. completely, they saw your other work...they agreed to a price. I dont like how much production went into this guys video, its fake, and its using a good point to encourage people to not seek better value elsewhere.. Im sure you've recieved clientele being that new alternate source yourself...

[@ThouArtOfWar0724]

@@aengusmacindoic4084 You're not paying for length of time you're paying for quality.

[@aengusmacindoic4084]

@@ThouArtOfWar0724 actually there is always a balance....if you put in the work of looking you can find a similar or get lucky and find better.....but yes I agree that is an element...which is why you agree on a price first. Theres just this conspiracy to ever raise tge cost of everything endlessly and it gets old...you should always search for what you want, it makes more artists, and when you get more artists, art gets cheaper.....you have no idea how many more artists there are today than 10 years ago...and places like fivr and etsy and deviantart...sooner or later artists will have to come closer to the working output of fellow humans around them otherwise they will outcompete their prices....and the more well paying 4 hour jobs, makes even more wanting it for themselves..... I think there might be more wisdom in those things they say about working full days and full weeks and having a day to rest, was more natural and balanced and a way no one else could complain about what youre doing for that rest and the world around you.

[@bluebeard6189]

He's basically explaining the difference between a subcontractor, who is hired on to complete a job at a set rate to drop a cost versus an employee who is paid by the hour to do a task.

[@StAlchemyst]

This is to simple. There is work that takes specialization. There is work that will take time no matter the specialization. You have to do a cost to benefit analysis on both the specialization/lack of specialization needed vs/and/or including the amount of time/or lack of time taken or needed to complete the job. To attempt to simplify it’s a constant balancing ratio of how good a widget is/needs to be vs. how fast/many widgets made per unit of time. This guy sounds smart but he’s just trying to sound smart using this rather tired and overused conundrum. Economics is hard and complicated. Lol

[@bluebeard6189]

@@StAlchemyst he is giving a basic brake down. Is it a bit oversimplified? Yes. But as a basic explanation it's not bad.

[@CJ-xc9iy]

Subcontractors is a companies way to forgo quality control for increased profits. It saves them money

[@jesuscer9353]

Thanks

[@bluebeard6189]

@@CJ-xc9iy not just that, but it limits their liability, you don't have to carry unemployment insurance, or any type of injury insurance for subcontractors. And limits their tax responsibilities, they don't have to pay payroll tax or anything along those lines. If you're hiring employees as subcontractors you are complete scumbag, because you're just basically putting a lot of costs under them that the employer should be paying. As a subcontractor you have the right to work for any company you want to, and you make a lot more decisions regarding your work. If you're told exactly how to do something, not just told what the end product should be you're an employee not a subcontractor and if you're being paid as a subcontractor you're being ripped off.

[@destroyerdragon2002]

Most trades charge per job but the worker gets paid a base rate no matter the complexity of the particular project.

[@xavierareas]

Half the “business people” are not “business people”

[@josephkilleen7807]

Yup, lawn mower man here. "You were only here 15 minutes!" Yes, and my equipment, trailer, truck, and employees cost almost as much as your house...

[@kanehemlock290]

Every thing he is using takes time to make as well..the market value of lawn mowing in theory should be super low because it's so easy. The only reason it isn't is due to the fact not many people are really looking to pay for grass cutting. If EVERYONE was looking to get their grass cut professionally though itd be cheaper yeah? Because competition will lower the price and they will attempt to go faster to do more yards so they can achieve payment of the same rate. This is how all products function in a market except for very rare cases. Those cases usually involve cultural influences

[@VooDooMaGicMan81]

@@kanehemlock290 Super easy? For someone with a genius level IQ being a lawyer would be easy, should they be paid less because it's simple for them to fulfil that role? It's all relative. After 4/5 months of a busy gardening season your body begins to suffer. You'll feel fatigued and have very little energy to do non-work related activities, it's accumulative. Personally I've suffered a multilayer injury from a hedge trimmer cutting through the flesh, tendons and bone of two fingers which no longer flex to grip as they should. Back injuries etc. Not having a go at you, but as an owner of a small gardening business I can assure you the majority of guys I've trained over the years weren't at an adequate level for the first 6 months or more. You need to be physically fit, efficient and polite, as well as reliable (rare to find reliability).. Like I said, not claiming cutting a lawn or hedge requires tremendous ability, but there's more to it than a one off 'whip over the lawn' - it goes on and on. You're right about the cultural influences, where I live a standard rate would be around £25 p/h (30 ish dollars) because of the lack of foreign workers driving the prices down. Of course these guys don't intend to stay in the country, they send it home where it's worth far more.

[@TEX-9568]

@@kanehemlock290 what about the service you received from the lawn co. ? Not all are the same..... did they cut your grass evenly, did they bag or leave shavings, if they left shavings, did they blow them out into the street or other neighbors yards ? Did they edge and weed set properly? Did they trim shrubs and weed flower beds? Also when yard co. Blow the grass shavings around it ends up in other peoples yards...say your yard or neighbors yard had weeds or a fungus and the yard co blew the shavings into your yard or the neighbors... now you have the weeds and the fungus contaminating said yard..! So not such an easy job if it’s done right and if it’s done right thus raising costs.

[@xjunkxyrdxdog89]

What's the average cost of houses where you live?

[@rtoujr]

@@kanehemlock290 client are not competition.