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[@unersame8253]

There's a saying in my country. If work makes you money, then the donkeys would be rich.

[@fernandocavalee637]

That's deep man 😂

[@Acid31337]

Same, but with horse )

[@grancanariaforvacations7303]

Haha

[@weltvonalex]

Haha great I will keep that

[@sarahconner9433]

Hahahaha!! Thanks for the wisdom!!

[@adequatequality]

I remember my boss at my very first graduate job was pissed when I was changing positions after 1.5 years of working there because I was offered a higher salary elsewhere. He used the "corporate ladder" guilt card and said he'd put in a good word for me to move up. I made the stupid mistake of staying for another 6 months and by the end of my 2 years, I was laid off due to a sudden purchase of the company. Turns out there wasn't going to be any promotion at the end of the year but they needed to maintain employee contracts to avoid losing workers to the competitors. Moral of the story: prioritize yourself and yourself only.

[@Macheako]

He probably also wanted you to stay because people leaving isn't usually a "Morale Booster" lol It really is crazy when you see just how little these companies ACTUALLY care about their employees 😂

[@mambiwhoknows2501]

Doesn't always happen in smaller companies. A lot of the time employees care about hemselves even if their boss trears them right and fairly

[@Cross40Productions]

Never accept the counter offer

[@HearMeLearn]

@@Cross40Productions this, in fact, use the counter offer to the company that is trying to hire you and see if you can get your salary even higher at the second company

[@kekfreedomheritage5633]

Others have commented that the way of organizations in getting far ahead is often about how well you are connected to others, and not what you know, nor even if you are working hard. Some examples include Royal Families, Nepotism within Medium to Big Companies; Connections to CCP in China; Political Positions; Relatives of Presidents; Being a Lawyer vs Non-Lawyer In Many Court Systems; and so on. -- Very similar issues of extreme favoritism of what occurs in China Society with CCP also occurs in the more subtle soft corruption in USA, and double standards around the world to benefit those who dominate the rule makers.

[@alexbrasilien]

Higher positions are usually occupied by psychopaths. If you’re not one, the dream of climbing the ladder might be over.

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

Finally, something works out for me

[@user-ny7gi6md4d]

You're right about that. Psychos who are incompetant and brings shit to your career rather than progression. Sacking off finance to jump in cyber security career. Anyone who is in this position and wants to stay in your position, just be worse in your job and eventually you will be pushed out you're department into others through job opportunities.

[@Torpidity]

@@user-ny7gi6md4d They're not incompetent. They're extremely competent. They're amoral. They don't care about you; they care about their bottom line. It's their ruthless competence and moral negligence that keeps them at the top rung.

[@user-ny7gi6md4d]

@@Torpidity yeah you say that but when I left they have fallen behind alot. The staff misses me and they're just losing business. And I ended up 5 figures up via settlement. I know what you mean but trust me they're incompetent. Or maybe I was too good. Who cares I'm trying a new career path. Just don't think things will change because you want them too, you have to change that's it.

[@Torpidity]

@@user-ny7gi6md4d There's something fundamentally naive about your writing. Your perception of their competence is likely flawed.

[@Brucemcleod2345]

To climb the corporate ladder- 1. Suck and sleep with the right people 2. Corporate speak, send emails and get into the right meetings 3. Be a psychopath and a bully.

[@jaddek.astrie3071]

So true 😢

[@innocentrage1]

Climbing the corporate ladder is basically high school. It's how popular you are not how smart you are.

[@amateruss]

No wonder I never took it seriously. I cannot take a clownfest that is the corporate seriously.

[@fkcavs]

Bingo. You generally only go as high up as the owner/CEO allow you based on their personal, non business views of you as a person.

[@republitarian484]

Correct to a certain extent. No matter how smart you are does not mean it translates over into being a good manager or having the foresight in planning for the next problem or opportunity. Most good managers are born with the characteristics of being a manager. Not everyone can do it. And having an education also doesn't correlate into productivity. Education (Formal Schooling) is highly over-rated and I actually think it's doing more harm than good at this point for many reasons such as a mis-match of skills, education, passion, etc. A person might be smart enough to be an engineer, but they might be cut from the cloth of being an electrician and therefore if they eventually find their niche they'll be happier and more successful than being stuck in a career that they "picked" after their sophomore year in college. Also, that mismatch in abilities vs career creates larger macro inefficiencies in our economy. Anyway, so much more to talk about in regards to education and the corporate ladder.

[@republitarian484]

@Alpha Omega . . . just because you become a manager doesn't mean you are good. If the only reason you became a manager was because you kissed ass then you'll probably be a bad manager and miserable. I was a manager also for over 10 years and I was OK, but I wasn't passionate about it. I didn't find working 50-60 hours a week fulfilling just to make 20%-30% more than some of the people I was managing. It also depends on what field/career you're managing and your passion for the organization. A big part of being a good manager is delegating tasks. If you're micro-managing your employees all day then you're not being a good manager. As the employees will learn to shirk their responsibilities and lose respect for you. I think it would be easier to manage the business if you had ownership in it. Then there's a motivation to lean on others to get their job done or they're gone. . .because it's your business they're affecting. Sorry, but hierarchies are natural. The earlier people realize that the much better they'll be at identifying where they fall on that hierarchy and what they can do to maximize their lot. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about hierarchies and the one thing he mentions is if a hierarchy is created that wasn't done based on abilities and talent but by false measures that it will not function properly. Hence why managers that get their job based on who they know usually are lousy managers that earn little respect. Sorry for the long post.

[@alter3go411]

The Corporate ladder is the bluepruint of American society.

[@thomascuvillier7250]

Rule #1 : NEVER trust what your manager or higher up promises you. NEVER.

[@Smugly33810]

unless its on a signed paper its smoke and mirrors

[@Halloween111]

If it ain't in writing, it's only hot air.

[@rjsimpkins2911]

10x the mistrust if it from HR.

[@Nanz659]

Yep learned that one the hard way

[@waverider6133]

@@Smugly33810even if it is in writing, it probably won’t happen. “Budget cuts”

[@ronlucock3702]

"If hard work was the key to success in life then the people out here digging trenches in the dirt & these construction workers would be the billionaires of the world." Well said.

[@KLM669]

Exactly, everyone who works hard ends up with a f__ed up back n joints and a weekend drink problem. I used to work on construction sites among many jobs I've had, come home shattered covered in cement. My friend done a photographic modelling job and earned more in an hour than me in two days and was fed n watered and treated with total respect!

[@emojidinosaur7300]

no one works harder than a slave, and they dont own anything.

[@ilyastazilov1st472]

@@KLM669 did you find something better than that construction job? I still work there sometimes because im a student and need some money

[@KLM669]

@@ilyastazilov1st472 yes I'm a film extra and do acting bits now!

[@nomnom112]

Show me a rich donkey

[@keith62970]

I was in it for 30 years. Wasted my life. All the work, all the networking, degrees, and trainings never got me anywhere but laid off over and over and over. Now, I'm under employed in my 50s trying to afford taking care of two sets of aged parents with declining health. Damn, man.

[@stevenirizarry9427]

I hope your situation improves bro, I’ll try and remember you in my prayers.

[@lovealways729]

sorry buddy, hope things get better...

[@marcozegikniet9301]

Welcome to capitalism.

[@ninjablack4347]

I think this is why the idea of being an entrepreneur is so appealing to todays youth. If you're gonna be broke, at least you're broke working for yourself vs slaving away and still being broke

[@creb2429]

That an fake KZbin gurus selling a course and a fake lifestyle

[@Bash70]

The problem is a lot of these "entrepreneurial" endeavors are just as parasitic and toxic as some of these corporate positions. E.g. "expert" gurus trying to sell garbage courses, dropshipping middlemen that sell cheap quality and counterfeit crap from China and other countries, scalpers hoarding popular/essential goods and then extorting and price gauging others for massive profit. The problem with pushing everyone to become entrepreneurs is that it floods the space with these scammers, leaches, and parasites.

[@dragontile]

Problem is it's difficult to tap into the retail sector when you can't compete with big box stores and amazon. Really only leaves the skilled trades, which are pretty hard work on there own. Whether you work for someone else or for yourself, there's no free lunch

[@hunggamerofficial3252]

@@creb2429 The source of the matter is, WHAT creates Fake Gurus? I mean, basically, CEOs in those companies are already Fake Gurus. Even the guys who actually did the things, there are no guarantees that those guys are not Fake Gurus. Based on what i've watched from Coffeezilla, in my country, i can count that there are at least 1K Fake Gurus, it not more. If i understand this Fake Gurus thing correctly, then the Source of this new norm, is because the Government is taking control of everything, or to be more precise, Big Tech Companies are taking control of everything. Big Tech companies are even taking over the Government as well. The Facebook case with Mark Zuckerberg is a HUGE PROOF for what i am saying. If i understand it wrong, well then, you guys can tell me the Root Cause, i'm always open to listen.

[@mostHumblePersonAlive]

Judging by the comments I think there are some fake gurus right in these comments. Seems the fake guru market is saturated.

[@GrowingForever]

I spent 24 years in corporate IT, Joshua speaks the truth.

[@Brian-vs9sd]

I spent only 5 to see through the bullshit. Went contracting and never looked back. If I don't like the place I find another contract.

[@aleterra]

@@Brian-vs9sd here in Germany it is better to be an employee. A contractor here is an employee without benefits

[@Brian-vs9sd]

@@aleterra interesting... So you guys don't earn better rates as contractors?

[@Artoriastempest7772]

How old are u, that’s a long time, 24 years I’m barely 19 you’ve worked longer than I’ve been alive

[@aleterra]

@@Brian-vs9sd not really,and companies like contractors because they don't have to pay holidays, pension, healthcare. Now the government wants to limit this by defining contractor as someone who has at least 3 customers, otherwise the companies are basically taking advantage

[@mikhaelis]

The one thing I've learned in the past 25 years in IT is that no matter the department or the company, management is always full of idiots that somehow failed up. Promotions, recognition, pay raises, all really hinge on how they personally like you not your job performance. Being the best at what you do, being a top producer, being the go to guy to fix things when no one else can means nothing. Promotion? You're too valuable to lose from the team. It would be unfair to promote you over other employees who have been there longer. A million excuses only to see the golf buddy to the manager getting the promotion. The corporate world is broken. Cream doesn't rise to the top. The more you show them you can do the more they exploit you without compensation.

[@WellFunka_Round]

The system LOVES failures..

[@denisewalters1088]

So true

[@ericwilliams626]

Idiots failing up is due to one thing; power and elitism is stressed so those who obtain opportunity are friends of the decision makers. This makes the decision maker feel more powerful and he knows the people he's hiring even though they aren't qualified. They fire that guys underlings if something bad happens. Idiots failing up are jus well connected and this culture and system is on purpose, to promote elitism.

[@daquanmcdonald7104]

Sounds like my job. They move fishy like that in a way

[@matthewronson5218]

The Peter Principle: where (select) workers are promoted to their highest level of incompetency aka "getting kicked upstairs".

[@ktm42080]

Unless you own the company, nothing is in your control. Nobody ever lied to you? I find that impossible to believe. Carry no guilt or shame and jump from job to job. Every time I felt like I was on the corporate ladder my hands were tied together and some POS pushed me.

[@BPMa14n]

The real way to climb the corporate ladder be an OCD psychopath, exploit subordinates, take credit for subordinates creativity and blame the weakest one when something goes wrong, and be very versed in corporate kool-aid and its jargon

[@MilMike]

lol you described my superior from my previous job perfectly. He was the reason why I quit.

[@ElevatedEndeavors]

100% you cannot be weak and you must imply subtly bullying tactics if needed. Whoever the weakest link is, distance yourself from them and make sure management knows you side with their opinion on everything.

[@kitchemk]

Facts

[@boejiden7093]

Wow, that just sounds like my manager.

[@OverG88]

A very sigma male way

[@swanyay3304]

The greatest supervisor I’ve ever had told me, "if you stay longer than three years at any organization, you’ve failed"..with that advice I went from $38,000 to $104,000 in 6 years moving from three organizations until I found my current job which I love

[@Alexis-wh2de]

What do you do? Where did you start?

[@kingkazuma2239]

What is your current job?

[@MRSketch09]

Wow...

[@boringmanager9559]

you probably didn't even try hard, since it took you six years. Could be done in a year or two, depending on how cool your first role was

[@swanyay3304]

@@boringmanager9559 the problem was I was complacent and wasn’t focused on the bigger picture in better myself as opposed to loyal to a company who would have no problem replacing me

[@redrum86]

In my experience, working hard just means that the manager gives you more work to do. Meanwhile, you have some coworkers who do half as much as you, but they still get paid the same amount.

[@dreamscape405]

I wouldn't feel good about myself, and my work day if I was being paid, but only doing the bare minimum, or half as much as the top performer (s). Good thing my company respects, and rewards, loyalty and hard work. I'm very blessed.

[@levidestin6783]

hows the boot taste?@@dreamscape405

[@belaad]

They are the smart coworkers

[@shotokhan1992]

This is why I gave up my promotion and gave up my license to do other things at the company. I do the bare minimum and get paid as much as everyone else

[@marcdc6809]

true, the manager would be a total idiot to let you get promoted, he'll lose a guy that gets him his raises and gains a hard competitor on his own road to climb the ladder...

[@michaelcurtis106]

The corporate ladder does exist but only for a small group of employees that I like to refer to as the "preferred people". There are different names out there for such people but they're easy to recognize. They seem to be identified from the moment they are hired. The red carpet is rolled out for them. They ace performance reviews regardless of how they actually performed and get the largest merit raises as a result. They don't stay in any one position longer than 2 years or so. They get placed on every high profile project that comes along and then get the subsequent recognition for being on those projects. If they complain about something, it gets taken care of with the highest level of priority. If they screw up, they get a slap on the wrist, given the opportunity to fix the problem and are then given loads of recognition and praise for fixing the problem they created. Now, don't get me wrong. These people are not all a-holes as you might think but they do have one thing in common. They are unaware of how lucky they are to be in the position they are in. If you tell them how difficult it is for YOU to get recognition, raises or promotions, they are totally surprised. They are so used to everything being easy for them that don't realize that it's not that way for the majority of their coworkers. In fact, they think that YOU screwed up in some way and that's the reason that you don't enjoy what they enjoy. This is one way you can really tell who's preferred and who's not. The preferred ones don't realize they're preferred. They take it for granted or they think they really are that good.

[@madmax43v3r]

All about those fam connections

[@Lazirus951]

In my experience, I have a seen other types of "preferred people". I've seen what you mention, but I've also witnessed people that are simply good at optics. They know that it's not what you do, it's what people think you do that matters. When it's time to perform and all eyes are upon them, they perform. When the pressure is off, they enjoy life and work less than others. Work smarter, not harder is their motto. If other workers say how difficult it is to get promotions, they act surprised because they don't want to give away their secret that it's all about optics. To these types of people, the less people that are good at optics, the better. It's a game and they're an expert at playing it.

[@michaelcurtis106]

@Lazirus951 yep. They know how to impress the right people and play the game as you said. Unfortunately, I never learned how to play that particular game.

[@jjberg83]

Yup! These are the ladies that get hired into HR/Marketing right out of college. They smile, they land cushy consulting roles and then quit when they meet their rich husband. At least in my experience.

[@brucej.willson4764]

I saw my old bosses face while reading this 😶

[@vicious12394]

You missed one, you get so good in your role that you actually become an irreplaceable part of the company, so thats the position you stay in forever while less competent people are promoted above you.

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

I thought he mentioned the Peter Principle?

[@eragon78]

@@jghifiversveiws8729 Peter Principle is something different. Thats where people get promoted to incompetency. Basically the way it works is that, people who are good at their jobs keep getting promoted, which means they stop getting promoted once they are no longer good at their current position, otherwise they would have gotten promoted again. This is one reason why its not uncommon for management to be incompetent, because they may have been really good at their lower promoted job, but their new job requires new skills they dont have because its a totally different job, and so they arent qualified for it and get stuck. They cant get promoted anymore cuz they arent good at their current job, but they cant do the job they were good at because they got promoted. So you just "fake it until you make it" by pretending you know what you're doing when you dont really. And this often goes unnoticed because the people in charge of you and who review your work usually are incompetent at their job too for similar reasons. So they arent qualified to know that those under them arent good at their jobs and so things remain the way they are. It becomes a systemic problem. However, the thing the OP is talking about is when an employee isnt just good at their job, but rather theyre TOO good at their job. Their skills are so exceptional that the company literally cannot afford to promote them and lose that talent where they need it. This is actually best in the sense that it helps the company run smoother and makes things get done more efficiently since you have a super competent employee rather than an incompetent one, but it causes issues in the sense that the employee feels they arent being properly compensated for their work despite how valuable they are and how hard they are working. The solution to this problem is pretty simple though, you just give those people raises for exceptional work. You dont have to promote them, just giving them a raise is usually good enough as it rewards their effort, but still keeps them where they are most competent and valuable to your company. And it means you are actually paying them for that increased value they provide so they feel fulfilled as well as their hard work paid off. The issue is that companies are extremely exploitative and will instead try to do everything they can to not give people raises, and instead have them continue working harder than everyone else for the same pay without ever promoting them either because theyre too valuable in their current position. Any company not willing to give you a raise for exceptional work is a company not worth your time. Finding a new job will likely pay you more with your higher experience, and so is much more worth your time.

[@dianaverano7878]

Sometimes those who got promoted are not the " efficient ones" on the role. Those who are " favored" by boss or executive. Somebody who will clap their hands on the executive people all the time. That was the environment on my first job.

[@justgivenofox9543]

Just realized this with my company. I got my eyes on my spot. Anything past that, I’m good for right now. Corporations do offer a lot but a lot of them also treat their employees not the best. They have it down to a science. Everything is laid out so if you as an employee have an issue, it’s usually because a lower-level manager isn’t enforcing policies and rules. Or they are and writing everyone up for it and no one respects them

[@dianaverano7878]

@@justgivenofox9543 it is better if you have a boss that is laid back type who does not enforece rules to the last semtence. I worked in a company in my first toxic job that requires everyone to follow rules. All bosses are micromanagers type, where all the movements of employees are monitored or else " they will use any excuse to kick the employee out" A company that is not sorry to let of anyone who has an " issue or deviation" As the system management's goal is not to have " deviation" Whether online data or actual document. That kind of micromanaging company is toxic type and I have no plans to back to unrealistic expectations of a company.

[@carlo6912]

After 30 years in corporate America, I can tell you loyalty is a one way street!

[@slixlix7303]

This right here is the most relevant comment on this entire video.

[@shanehenderson9626]

Wasted 10 years of my life at a company thinking loyalty mattered. When I put my 2 weeks in nobody cared or asked what they could do to keep me. I was a good employee too

[@NeoAutodroid]

same with respect, management treated me like I'm scum, dirt, less than human but then demands that I respect them 😡

[@ASackOfPotatoes]

Only ever be loyal to yourself. Fuck everyone and everything else

[@Winterascent]

I'm just glad that people finally realize this and give the finger to corporations ( I hope).

[@albs6989]

The harder you work, the quicker your boss will buy another Ferrari 😂

[@TJones-zw9mw]

Years ago I was at a company where I was the most senior member of my team and one of the most senior members of the whole company. After years of waiting for the promotion I deserved it was given to an outside hire who was friends with one of the owners. After a few months of telling that guy how to do his job and eventually fired me because he didn’t need me anymore. I wasn’t laid off, I was fired and I still haven’t fully recovered. Office politics are a complete joke.

[@kelvinth30]

working for someone else's dream is a joke , we are educated to work for others . 21-41 years old I worked for others , at 42 years old I work for myself and at 49 years old I'm financially , emotionally & physically a free person . Do the things you love doing everyday and help others with a fee , overtime monetary awards will come to you . The universe rewards people who gives

[@chastinreppert7685]

I’m sorry to hear about your very negative experience. I worked at a company where three of worked very hard in our positions, and also earned our master’s degrees. We each had 35+ years experience between us (including supervisory mgmt. experience), we were also vocal about opportunities for promotions and shared friendly & professional interactions with our director. Only to be told none were available or come up with some ideas to implement and maybe something could be done. Well, imagine our surprise when a few months later, we find out (in a mass emailing) that a lazy colleague, very friendly with the director, who has a hs diploma and two years of experience (I only mention levels of education due to the industry minimum being a bachelor’s degree), along with a penchant of overtly sharing her sex life and aggressive political views had a new management position created just for her by the director. The position was not posted, nor were any of us any made aware of it. Climbing the corporate ladder is a joke and is the result of a) ingratiating yourself to the decision maker and becoming a yes-person “friend,”b)being a back stabbing narcissist and doing whatever it takes to move up a notch, and c) understanding that a lot takes place behind the scenes while “leaders”look you in the eye and lie.

[@domenik8339]

Live and learn, but ty for the reminder to always read the room.

[@DianaBism]

I once worked with a guy who never missed a day of work in the 30 years he was at a company and he got a plaque and a Pat on the back. He was autistic and always smiled and never got promoted, or better pay or a vacation. That’s no way to live - ever!

[@maximumsim]

Yeah it's disgusting the way people who aren't socially clued up are taken advantage of in todays world.

[@LibreWolf]

it's over for mentalcels

[@IAMONELUVNOW]

Well I have a son who is autistic and it had taken alot of work for me to get him not to get ready for school on the weekends. He was very insisting to goto school. So it was most likely a routine thing for him. But if they knew that, then they should have said he must use his vacation time or his loved one should have intervened on his behalf. Or better yet, paid him his vacation time out at the end of the year. But there is no compulsion for corporate to treat him right.

[@catlady5128]

As a fellow Autistic, this has been me. At my retail job that I was at for 3 years…I literally only called out once..and that was bc my mom begged me. In the end, they treated me as if I was the new person (I was one of the most experienced) by putting me at the front while the new people got to do what they want. Got 25 cent raises and nothing more. They literally said I knew every dept..but treated me like I didn’t. Anyways, I work at a bank as a data analyst now, and I’m taking a Friday off each month. And 1 week vacation twice a year. I’ve stopped getting stressed about that bc everyone on my team takes a few days or a week off every month. I literally tell myself I hate being autistic, even tho I know my disability is not the problem. Now that we’re going back to the office, I feel like shit and am trying my hardest to block out the noises.

[@IAMONELUVNOW]

@Lauryn Johnson Do to your disability, you can asks for accommodations such as working at home all 5 days or 3 days work at home and 2 days at office. Goto your HR to ask for FMLA papers 📃. Take this to your doctor/psychologist and psychiatrist. This will also give you 4 times a month to call out of work outside vacation times or scheduled times. You have to have worked a 1000 hours to even qualify. You have a condition and you qualify. I hope this helps. Now accommodation is a separate thing than FMLA. But ask for both things. They can provide you with a computer for home and a stipend to pay for internet services and make an office space at home. If you think you cannot do the asking alone, then get you a caseworker from your medical insurance company to help speak on your behalf or social services from the state. Usually, there is a caseworker for disability benefits.

[@AlejandroMartinez-zw9if]

The "corporate ladder" has a lot to do with your face being liked or not

[@amateruss]

They mask it using "pleasing personality"

[@AlejandroMartinez-zw9if]

@@amateruss ...or not 😁

[@banzaaiiiii]

¨so good looks=easier to climb

[@hobear637]

Nepotism, it’s real and annoying

[@banzaaiiiii]

@Alpha Omega i'm ethnic but stop being jealous of white ppl, pathetic

[@ro6742]

Gen X here. What Josh said is absolutely correct. It doesn’t matter how good you are at your job. It matters how much of your soul you’re willing to sell and how big of an ass you’re willing to be to your colleagues.

[@ryanhaught4223]

I used to work a corporate job and it was going alright for a couple of years. 3rd year I had some major life changes that drastically affected my work. My boss through me under the bus to the CEO and reported my mistakes in great detail to HR. I knew my chance of climbing the latter was OVER. I quit and joined a partner in owning a small business. Greatest decision ever. Business has been going great

[@ryanjones2297]

When people talk about company loyalty I always respond "I am as loyal to the company as it is to me"

[@user-zr6pl6nb6z]

Good reply.

[@Blue0000FF]

I will use it from now on thanks to you. Applaud you Ryan.

[@solomonsanabria7092]

Do u get jobs saying that

[@jazzyj7834]

​@@solomonsanabria7092It's unlikely. Anyone in a hiring position will be able to read between the lines and hear "I'll leave the moment another company offers me a better offer"

[@ryanjones2297]

@@solomonsanabria7092 sure. For companies that are good to work for that isn't a problem.

[@heisenberg7049]

Isn't the real way to climb the corporate ladder to job hop to different companies and take a higher position everytime you jump?

[@edwardbrito3332]

Yes up to limit

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@edwardbrito3332 Yeah that limit is CEO

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

Young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and these job trends worsen.

[@jack-o-trades304]

Yes and most people in higher up positions will tell you this is how it works nowadays unlike when they worked their way up 30 years ago.

[@ibocetinkaya9730]

That's hilarious because its actually the truth

[@CryptoJRa]

No lie, true story. I JUST went through this. I was hired on in a leadership position, got demoted, and promised to get my spot back if I continued to work hard, and probably, do more. So I was there, doing more than required (I worked a 14 hour day at one point), got demoted and promised I could go back if I did MORE. So yeah, I found another gig. Lol

[@user-bm6wu9zw9m]

The only people that cared how late you stayed at work were your kids, NOT management.

[@popeyretired3899]

After being passed up for promotion multiple times, I start dragging my feet and did the absolute minimum. My biggest accomplishment was when I dragged a 1 hour job into 12 days, telling people more "competent" than me I was trying to fix a fault in the system, they didn't have a clue, I knew exactly what was wrong. One day, when my boss was counting on me for an important job, I got another job (higher salary) and quit, from there on, I was loyal to money only. Put yourself first, Josh is right.

[@thebra]

Follow the money. It's really all that matters in the end.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

Good man, sound advice

[@18632ewa8]

I disagree I think self-respect matters. I work for people like I would want them to work for me. I give them as much loyalty as they give me. But loyal or not my bottom line is my bottom line. If you cross my bottom line you crossed me and that makes our association fundamentally detrimental to my well-being or potential growth.

[@monsieurouya4156]

You should do a video on this

[@LookingGlass69]

I was passed up from promotions too, so now I just do the bare minimum and literally sleep at work.

[@altluigi5733]

Joshua you are 100% right. I learned that, 20 years ago. I started as a Technician in a factory, moved to group leader, Supervisor, Acting Manager. Then the copany desided that for the position the wanted somebody with Master Degree. So the Guy arrive and I have to teach him everything, because he was not a Technical person. I left the company and make My company. Now I am the OWNER of the LADDER. 10 years later the old company closed because bad management.

[@chilepeulla]

How is your company doing so far?

[@majstealth]

@@chilepeulla 100% better than the old one^^

[@altluigi5733]

@@chilepeulla I am retired now, leaving with my savings and Social Security. I was not alone there was 2 more partners, they buy my part and continued the busyness .

[@TrishDigginsDesign]

Good for you!!!

[@chilepeulla]

Alt Luigi good to hear!

[@kypselialani14]

Worked a corporate job for 9 years...Then right at a time i was hitting a supposedly peak (got promoted, got a few raises etc) an epiphany hit me that i was giving way too much for no reason and i left...All my colleagues that were climbing the ladder successfully at the time were shocked and told me i was making a huge mistake and the only way from were i was was up the ladder...Long story short here i am 10 years later making excellent money working by myself and ALL of those "golden boys" got fired inside a decade for newer and cheaper alternatives...

[@shivam-zf4pd]

What do you do then? What business do you have?

[@joeblack3878]

You have to change “climbing the corporate ladder” to “climbing your ladder” because then you take the power from your employer and put it in your hands. You decide what role allows you to obtain the skills and experience you want in order to grow your resume. Once you spend time learning, you get to a point where you’re adding value and creating change (or stall out), and a new opportunity arrives - move on. There are numerous different situations that can occur while you’re in your role that are out of your control, and there is ZERO employer loyalty… Office politics, reorganizations, people in key roles leaving and new ones that come in that are unbearable, wage stagnation… endless. I’m in the sweet spot of middle management…. a high performer in a good role with good opportunities for projects and good pay; however, I’m not blind to the fact that this could change in a heartbeat. My resume is current and I talk to every headhunter that reaches out to me. This is the way.

[@LoudMouthTim]

As an IT nerd, I've found the best way to get a raise is to go to another company. And when employment agencies ask what I made at my last job, I lie and tell them much more! I don't go to work to work, I go to work to MAKE MONEY. There's a difference!

[@GenerationX1984]

I don't blame you. I realized by the time I was 30 that we live in a system where if you're not privileged you have to tell a white lie sometimes to get ahead. Whoever invented our economic system was a psychopath.

[@elmateo77]

Yep, it's not like your last employer is going to tell the competition how much they pay their employees...

[@Pwjdjskw]

If I’m going to work with only the mindset of making money then I would dread every single day. The work itself must be enjoyable or else why tf are you even doing it. Idk how you do it, but you do you I guess.

[@elmateo77]

@@Pwjdjskw If it was fun they wouldn't be paying you to do it, people would just do it for free... I'm not saying do something that you absolutely hate, but if you're gonna trade hours of your life for money you might as well get as much money as possible for those hours. I'm also in IT, there are some parts of it that are interesting and some that aren't, but they still have to be done or the entire company grinds to a halt. If you only do things that you find fun that's the mindset of a child, and your life isn't likely to go very well.

[@anemicsilence]

👍

[@watcherworld5873]

As someone who worked in a corporation for about 30 years, I found that viciousness is the most viable quality to move up the ladder. However, being vicious is not easy unless you are a sociopath. So, now you understand why 13% of executives are sociopaths.

[@elmateo77]

I don't believe it's that low, my guess would be 60%

[@gaslitgames]

And the other 87% are better at hiding it?

[@j.l.stanford1754]

Only 13%?

[@watcherworld5873]

@@j.l.stanford1754 Well, if I remember correctly, the 13% came from a Forbes article. My belief is that the corporate executives are probably better at hiding their sociopathy, so the actual number may be higher.

[@calypsohandjack9278]

despite being 13% of the population.......bla@@j.l.stanford1754

[@thebeastoffeasterpark]

I work at staples. I was in print and marketing for 2 years. Never called out. 99% of the time staying late, most of the time running the entire department alone. I know the place inside and out and lots of hard work for minimum wage. Working closing by myself in the busiest department in the whole store which LITERALLY pays 80% of the bills keeping the store open. Instead of giving me the print lead position, they literally gave it to a guy who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about my department... Worse yet, they have him working the front end and he gets paid at least $2 more than I do now. I put in my 2 weeks notice a few days ago. The GM had the nerve to ask me to stay on for a few days a week saying it would help him... When he has never once helped me and actively sabotages me by making the worst schedules. He's been lucky because I'm a strong and hard worker so I put up with it, but refuse to any longer.

[@sideshow00]

thats crazy, corpos will only learn until we start showing them we are willing to walk away

[@user-hf9dx9ed5o]

I used to work there too. I can relate to working the front end alone and cust. getting angry at you because of it. I was very young and inexperienced at the time and the company used myself and the other new hires to stock the new store FOR FREE. Apparently, it would help us to learn the layout of the store. I could name a lot more offenses, but I just might retraumatize myself lol. Hope you find better opportunities with your job search :)

[@user-ny7gi6md4d]

Well done for handing your notice. I'm leaving my job too, when people find out I'm leaving they're going to be pissed as I killed it at my job. When you're good at your job why would they move you and risk someone else doing a worse job? Well done handing in your notice.

[@UnknowN-do2hp]

5 years meat dept tryin to become meat cutter, then all of a sudden this guy have no clue how to clean or cut meat became a meat cutter in just 2 years, i quit

[@Whodat-te6pn]

As a Veteran, this is exactly how the Military is too. Down to a T.

[@Jenjenn1111]

Exactly…all these systems are ran just like the psychopaths that run the world…it’s all about power, control, and a**kissing! Sick and perverted world we live in!

[@ehren5347]

job hopping is the key to success.

[@amateruss]

You should only be loyal to yourself.

[@losfromla1480]

I'll drink to that

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

Yeap. Treat them like they do us. Doubled my pay in 2 years as a blue collar tech, just by job hopping. You want to stick me with crap assignments? Bye. Told them if i was still doing this in 6 months, i wouldnt be doing it in 1 year. They didnt get it. Left in the middle of a test when the opportunity arose. Not my problem.

[@ehren5347]

@@APsupportsTerrorism I went from 55k to 200k in 5 years with job hopping. I say fuck them.

[@parsival9603]

@@ehren5347 would love how to just get to 50k xc

[@patricecomedy]

Best thing I ever did was accepting that my career was dead end at 35. It allowed me to focus on family, friendships, my health and living on my schedule. No stress when you don't care is there.

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

Patreeky!

[@Envy_May]

yeah that certainly seems to be for the best (...well, as long as you make enough to be able to get by and live well doing that, which isn't necessarily a given)

[@destructionman1]

Amen to that bro! The best decision I've ever made was deciding not to care. It makes everything so much easier. For example when a company makes a bad strategic decision and loses a bunch of customers or whatever, don't let that affect your well being. Don't allow the incompetence of others be your cross to bear. Work is work. Work hard, then when 5 o'clock hits, be with your family, do a hobby, exercise, etc.

[@TheChubbyd07]

I agree, and funny enough, I started getting more opportunities when I stopped giving a shit…

[@yngwiemalmsteenparaguaio9887]

perfect

[@Number6_]

That is the 1st thing I noticed in engineering. You either move up to management or you move out to a different company. Most people dont go into engineering to be management! They want to design and build .

[@ayugoslav5554]

Engineers are nerds who couldn't manage a team if their life depended on it... Corporate is a catastrophe

[@Number6_]

@@ayugoslav5554 managers are innumerate wanker's who can't understand what is right in front of them. The female one's generally falsify reports to get as far away from operations as possible. They are even worse then bean counters. This means you and is why manufacturing is dead in America

[@mvfc7637]

Performance doesn’t matter, in fact being competent or exceptional at your job simply invites jealousy and envy from your colleagues, they’ll do everything to undermine you to your superior’s whilst you’re too busy maintaining your mastery at your job, it’s social networking which counts.

[@titanicisshit1647]

It doesn't matter only in stupid nepo corporations

[@TheMrKlassy]

Virtually every corporation is like this. My dad worked his ass off at Publix as a bakery manager for over 20+ years. His department did so well, they would send him off to newly opened stores to get up and running. He had the opportunity to move into store management but it conflicted with his church schedule so he didn't take it. Very rarely took a sick day and accrued them over the years. When he ended up getting diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, they only let him use half his sick time before kicking him to the curb. They didn't let him use the other half he had saved up, which at that time was a substantial amount of money for him. I had two negative experiences with them too. Publix is notorious for the "we're a family" and "we take care of our employees" bs and they're no better than any other corporation.

[@asadb1990]

there was a lady at my last job where she had back pain so they she started doing more wfh and leaving early sometimes, her boss forced her to use her vacation time and then laid her off instead of taking time to recover.

[@pianosonthebeachkeys4000]

I’m so sorry to hear that. That’s bullshit. My mom is a breast cancer survivor and she worked through her treatment. There needs to be laws implemented to protect workers in these unfortunate circumstances. These greedy fucks are so heartless. Thankfully my mom’s job was very understanding but that’s not the case for everyone.

[@BillClinton228]

I'm sorry to hear about your dad's cancer, but you're right the companies that promote the whole "we're family" image are the most toxic. I worked for a Danish company that was like that, they made us go into the office so we could bond, they told us we shouldn't work overtime and they kept braggin about how everyone there was so close and friendly. But 3 weeks into the job and I was ready to quit, manager would ask me what I'm doing every hour, when I need to get something for the office from the store I was told I couldnt leave the office and had to wait until the end of the day, every bit of work I did was scrutinized and torn apart even though I've been doing it for 12 years. Each day a new instruction was given that conflicted with the previous days instruction and no discussion was allowed, do as you're told. It was an absolute nightmare. Meanwhile others around me were being praised so I came to the conclusion that my manager doesn't like me and theres nothing I could do but leave.

[@TheMrKlassy]

@@xandervalltessa3685 lol

[@t.h.8475]

When I had a hysterectomy I came back to work way too soon so as not to be an inconvenience for my boss. I was hospitalized for 3 weeks when I had a blood infection. I was in septic shock and went back to work the week after being discharged. I got nothing for doing either of those. My coworker was getting ready to have a hysterectomy and I told her do not come back early. She took the whole 6 weeks off.

[@lettuceboy2382]

I once left the job and during my exit interview with the HR representative asked if there was anything I would have done differently. I told him my only regret was not being able to resign this job twice because I enjoyed quitting so much

[@tessy28]

I feel this. I remember telling my manager to go eff himself and rot in hell in my previous job when I quit years ago. It felt so good. Everytime I think about it I smile. It was the true definition of quitting in a blaze of glory, it was talked about by many the remaining employees for the next 2 years.

[@lettuceboy2382]

@@tessy28 I assume you didn’t use him as a reference

[@MeetMeOnTheMoon]

That part

[@1439315]

epic

[@hillie47]

Best time of any job, the 2 weeks notice period.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnnKf4CAq86CbKs

[@BangMaster96]

Corporate loyalty was a thing of the 20th Century. In the 21st Century, you must LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF at all times. No Company is going to value your loyalty. No Company cares about how hard you work for them, or how many times you went above and beyond, or gave extra hours to the Company. There is no shame in switching Companies every time you find a better compensation and offer. There is no shame in finding a Company that allows you to work from home, gives you a better work life balance, and gives you a good salary. Have no shame, no feelings of guilt, no fear. Live and create your LIFE according to your values and ambitions, not to please other People or worry about fixing and saving the whole World. You are only here on Planet Earth for a short time, make the most of that.

[@matthewronson5218]

Such "corporate loyalty" such as it ever existed, was already in its death throes by the early 1970's

[@arftejano2284]

Companies complain about young people changing jobs frequently and not having loyalty. And it’s all from a failure to understand that every relationship is a two way street. Loyalty, investment, and support have to flow both directions, but companies no longer have loyalty to their employees, they don’t support their employees, and they don’t invest in their employees. You noticed how in the last 5-10 years “benefits package” have been reduced to BS single digit discounts on random things and the bare minimum? “We have a health pan and .5% 401k matching we have great benefits” Okay? Do we clap when a fish swims?

[@smeekle2000]

Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.

[@Maya_s1999]

As someone with decades long working experience in corporate environments, if you are in your 20s please do yourselves a favour and listen to this guy. He is completely spot on.

[@thedorikorner]

Congrats! For the past five years you did everything we asked, accomplished all your goals, and went above and beyond. Here's a ten cent raise.

[@littlesongbird1]

Yep got a 2% raise one year was told what metrics I should hit to get a much higher salary increase. Met all of those goals and them some, got only a 3% raise for the extra hours and sacrifice to my mental health (not worth it) looked for a new job that same week.

[@lxcameron406]

Yup

[@Slla-th5vt]

Yes. Much better to ace that interview in another company and get 10% after 1 year

[@AwesomeHairo]

And pizza

[@morganseppy5180]

Funny how they make money all year long so you don't worry that you'll be fired/quit, but then suddenly they don't hit unrealistic mystery numbers and there aren't raises or meaningful bonuses. One year at the holidays, the employer passed out $25 publix cards, and I did the math outloud to my team and came up with like $3000-$3500. I concluded, this holiday, remember that they think you're worth $25 plus catered Olive Garden (so about $5/person).

[@arion2000]

the biggest lie they tell employees, your career is in your own hand.

[@EmpiricalPeace]

100% bro. As a software engineer, I started my own business for that reason. I have a hard time taking orders from people who don't understand the products they manage. It all comes down to knowing your value. Bottom line is, the most valuable people in a company are the ones making the sales, and the ones with the skills to build the products. It's time engineers are paid like sales associates but it won't happen if you don't push back and continue excepting less than you produce.

[@Upyciane]

“The day you stop racing, is the day you win the race.” ― Bob Marley

[@user-le3lo2qq2q]

love this quote thanks dude

[@dashingmay]

I heard about a couple who spent their whole lives working, thinking they'll have a comfortable retirement. They managed to have close to a million in savings, but soon after they both started to have Alzheimer's issues, had to move in to a memory care, confined to a small room. Let's enjoy our lives right here, right now, ladies and gents!

[@Job.Well.Done_01]

YEP!!!!!!!!!

[@no_more_spamplease5121]

Then you follow this BS and do not save for your retirement and become an elder in poverty. Craptastic advice. 🤡 Even better if you get Alzheimer's disease. A sick person with savings is in a far better situation than a sick person with no money at all.

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

Well - this story completely turns the retirement story on its head. It's true - no guarantee that there will be golden years to enjoy as envisioned. Thanks for the reminder.

[@tifapanties25]

Exactly well said

[@mattmcginnis7048]

Well said. Carpe diem!

[@tarelakentebe465]

I have zero desire to claim the ladder. The more you get the more you’re taxed the more responsibility you get

[@stevethomas74]

You're preaching to the converted over here! 😉👌

[@mattrandall1808]

The other thing about being promoted is sometimes they will promote you to get you out of the department because they don't like you. Or they will promote whoever they think is most controllable.

[@mikeferguson4816]

I got my first, corporate IT job at 30 years old, 20+ years ago. I thought "now I'll be working with grown ups..." or whatever. But a guy once said, "the real world is just highschool, with money". So true. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, you have to be in the cool clique. If you're not, then don't bother.

[@TheUnseenPath]

Luckily in 2023 make your own clique and say fuk'em.

[@ro6742]

Go to a local chamber of commerce gathering in a large city. You’ll recognize ALL of “The Breakfast Club” high school stereotypes.

[@donavanaziaka2722]

Truest comment I have seen in a long time

[@sy_dianne5224]

So true

[@domenik8339]

That is true in the IT world more than it is elsewhere, for sure.

[@Soldano999]

I once met an HR manager at a big pharma company. Worked her ass off climbed the ladder etc etc. Then at 55 she was abruptly fired for no reason other than "too old". She said she should have spent more time with her child instead. That was my first clue corporate career is a complete waste of time. I now sell furniture and make more than all my "corporate jobs" friends.

[@shootingbricks8554]

Isn't firing someone for their age illegal?

[@GetAsCloseAsYouCan]

@@shootingbricks8554No.

[@halfalawn3125]

​@@shootingbricks8554made up reasons are just as valid. uncle got fired for some random complaint when he was in his 50s. he stayed with his company for 30 years

[@dasleben33]

If that is sales lobbyist marketing for males. Understood

[@Cussmem07]

​@@shootingbricks8554Extremely easy to cover it up with a work related thing.

[@amosmunezero9958]

I worked for IT company for over 5yrs, the company employed some juniors and asked me to train them and manage their work, due to increase responsibility I requested promotion to become Tech lead, they refused and I left, later I found out that they actually promoted one of the juniors I was training to the position I wanted. It is CRAZY and madness, few months later I heard the company lost the contract that my project was part of, I said to myself this is interesting!!!!

[@mikerowave1986]

When our team leader resigned, I wanted to apply to his position. I was like, what would I lose if I try? We had good relationship so I asked him about the position during his notice period. He said, the benefits are great, but it will only bring lot more hours, soul killing corporate meetings, more responsibility and more stress, and pressure from various directions. Forget 9-5, meetings and calls late in the evening, even in the weekend. He didn't want to discourage me, he just wanted to be honest and make me see clear. That was the reason he resigned and the same reason I didn't apply.

[@TheDanaYiShow]

How to become a CEO Step 1: Start a company Done Great video!

[@crazymonkey60123]

He saved me years of time climbing the ladder when I can skip the ladder all together 🤣

[@kamil4151]

@@crazymonkey60123 And you can become a millionaire as well, just exchange whatever you have in your pocket for Zimbabwe dollars. Same grade of advice.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@kamil4151 That's still better advice than "working up the ladder"

[@OffGridInvestor]

It's... FAR HARDER THAN people think. I just ask my sister and she shows me 3 pages of outstanding bills customers are yet to pay in full.

[@jacklwipa1187]

* Standing Ovation after TEDxtalk*

[@Cyclops0000]

Seen it so many times. The majority of important work is done in companies by 10% of key workers. They often don't get promoted because they're actually busy doing the work whereas people that look good and do the right amount of ass kissing advance. Eventually it gets to a point where the key workers get pissed off with the lack of pay rises and no rewards for their hard work and they leave. The company is then stuck with a bunch of people that look and sound good in meetings but can't do anything in reality.

[@akin242002]

Covid-19 and work from hom ruined that for the unproductive workers.

[@Cyclops0000]

​@@akin242002 In some industries yes but there's still a lot of areas and companies that don't pay attention much to front line workers. I'm a buyer for an IT company in London and since everyone started working from home all my public sector customers have become very slow at ordering. I bust my ass quoting as quickly as possible, getting the best prices and confirming details then they take 2 weeks to order and the options are gone so I have to re-quote. They used to order within 3 days. 100% this is because they have lazy staff at home with no oversight and they have no chance of being fired. I just get a lot more urgent requests through because they've let situations get out of control.

[@emdo.unlimited555]

Being in that 10% in a previous life, my current struggle is timing when to put the popcorn in the microwave to watch these types of companies squirm when they realize it.

[@Cyclops0000]

@@emdo.unlimited555 I'm a spare parts buyer for an IT company so I can tell which tech brands are fked internally. Dell and Intel are both incredible badly run. Everything they do takes 3x as long as other companies and they have a really high staff turnover.

[@emdo.unlimited555]

@@Cyclops0000 I worked for one of the largest investment companies in the world at the global level (loyally) in a compliance function. It's not limited to IT. I also got tired of getting people to comply with policies and procedures pertaining to the possible yet improbable. The big dawgs simply don't understand the rug that is being pulled out from under them when the good people leave in droves. Rats, sinking ships, and all.

[@scottmac3539]

Loyalty died years ago. Think like a mercenary, a free agent. Job hop baby! Don't hate the player, hate the game 😈

[@makeupandotherrandomthings]

Being buddy buddy with the manager will help you.

[@07wrxtr1]

Sadly many don't figure this out til their 40's: Then they quit, get divorced, etc. It's sad that many don't figure it out sooner, but great when people do. The whole "I'm going to work hard til retirement" is a complete scam to keep people on the treadmill. I've lived in a few tourist towns over my time and it's always hilarious watching old people try to do things they can't because they're simply too old. Live the journey, enjoy the ride, don't be reckless with money, but have some self respect and embrace real freedom.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

I mean, it works back when they were kids, where getting a job is as easy as pestering Walt Disney everyday (happened to the first actor for Peter Pan), where company loyalty means something, and hard work is enough of a virtue to success in life. Nowadays, getting a job is convoluted, your company loyalty means as much as tissue paper, and being hardworking isn't enough. The fact that we have to be just as self-interested and sleazy as the company screwing us over is a hard cultural shock for anyone born before the 1970's...

[@OffGridInvestor]

I used to eat fairly high but have stopped that and are fairly tight with money but ONGOING and DAY TO DAY expenses. Coz that crap is what MAKES you broke. Not the 2 cars I have but the "living high on the hog". The way I'm going..... I should be building a NEW HOUSE pretty much WITHOUT DEBT within the next 4 or 5 years. I put up with living in this old dump of a cottage that's rotting away and has serious issues, just so NOBODY has me over a barrel because I had a nice house but was DROWNING in debt. Being off grid is nice coz I'm paying about US $240 a year in propane and about a dozen gallons of gasoline each year for the generator. Everything else is solar or wood fired.

[@Amadeus8484]

I feel lucky then, I knew that companies didn't give a shit about you when I was a teenager. Granted I worker in a major grocery chain but the lesson was obvious.

[@asciicatface]

wouldn't say its hilarious. moreso just depressing

[@robosteez]

I worked almost 10 years at boeing, was told every one of those things. Only time they offered a raise was when I put in my 2 weeks... Such clowns.

[@levimalone4433]

Incredible. 10 years is alot of life. I hope your doing good now man

[@Solisium-Channel]

Happened to me too. I took a 2 dollar per hour raise then after a year I did the same and they offered 3 bucks. I refused it and don’t regrets it lol.

[@rohangholam8270]

Same !! Try to switch a company then the same company will offer you a raise + additional responsibilities...=longer work hours ! It's a Hamster wheel..

[@nickvledder]

And you are the first to get fired.

[@Treddian]

@@nickvledder Getting fired can be a blessing, like when someone you love but doesn't love you back breaks it off. Maybe you should have left earlier but just didn't see it.

[@GHO5tMod3]

I’m so over jobs literally! It’s favoritism at this point ❤

[@PyrrhicPax]

My grandmom worked for walmart for 35yrs. Never late, never called in, never talked back. Never got promoted. Never got a raise. Never got benefits. 35yrs. Ya know what she did get? A monthly income of 800$/m in SSI at age 68.

[@UnknowN-do2hp]

16 years working costco, never promoted, born 100% deaf

[@SimplyAllen451]

In my early 20's I was hired on as a manager at a company. There were people at that company that worked 25 years to become a manager. That's when I realized that climbing the corporate ladder was a joke. I was lucky enough to see behind the curtain.

[@ronaldinhogaucho5460]

Hahaha they probably pay you less and you are more willing to do shit than they would not do... it is easier to get someone from.outside

[@TheGalactus16]

10 years ago: ladder: SE -> Senior SE -> Principal SE Now: Associate -> Sr. Associate -> SE 1 -> SE2 -> SE3 -> Senior SE 1 -> Senior SE 2 -> Principal SE 1 -> Principal SE 2 -> Distinguished SE etc. Out of thin air positions are created, you might be hired 4 years ago at SE2 which said 5 years experience required, but now SE2 is 2 years experienced required and you are SE3 now lol Mgmt whereas is Manager -> Senior Manager -> Director -> Senior Director -> VP

[@GGWP-nx3kn]

Titles are just pay grades. New hires make it easier to dilute pays between workers. Your pay has to be a third of what the CEO would have to pay the ancients by promoting them.

[@ninjablack4347]

@@ronaldinhogaucho5460 my mom's friend is a manager at a supermarket and the company is begging him to retire so he can collect his pension. Why? So they can hire a younger guy and pay him half what my mom's friend is making.

[@backlundbob4171]

@Keith Allan what did you do?

[@jermainemyrn19]

Climbing the corporate ladder is completely based on how much you make your manager laugh or cover up their wrongdoings. You have to be a "yes" man. You can have everything educational that's required of you plus experience, but if the people above you don't like you for whatever reason........you're screwed. If you're generally a good person, you won't make it to the the top of the ladder. Everytime they tell you what the expectations are, the terms and conditions are subject to change everytime you clock in. The goal post will be moved every time you attain success. That's why it's better to just use these corporations and do the bare minimum withought making it look like it.

[@us3562]

What do you mean by if you're a good person, you can't climb the ladder?

[@abizarthahir3613]

@@us3562 you could, but it wouldn't get you anywhere unless you "aligned" yourself with upper management or "bootlicking" in layman's term. which as far as I know, isn't a "good person" trait.

[@jermainemyrn19]

@Onion Potato don't know what you're talking about

[@jermainemyrn19]

@@us3562 A hierarchy is inherently authoritarian. It is to keep those below you in line by ANY means necessary. The job of anyone on the top is to gaslight their employees, pay them less than they're worth, ect. Since your livelihood is tied to employment, your actions Naturally threaten people's livelihoods. You have to be willing to step on others whether you realize it or not. Hence the reason there are not many leaders in powerful positions, mostly bosses. The world is ran by a minority of rich people for a reason. People are just convinced that they must be stupid because they're not rich, but in reality the minority is willing to be ruthless, vile, pander, bootlicking and non sympathetic or empathetic. For instance when you change a employees schedule withought asking them if that would disrupt their lives in anyway, you are very qualified to move up that corporate ladder. It has nothing to do with skill. People who are at the top of the ladder are willing to do as their told and step on anyone in the process.

[@jermainemyrn19]

@@abizarthahir3613 correct, definitely not a good person trait

[@NelsonGuedes]

This video is great! I was just writing about this a couple of days ago. The only bit that is missing is that the corporate ladder gets narrower and narrower the higher up you go, and that has numerous implications. First of all, not everyone can make it. In fact, very few people can ever make it. That's an inevitable feature of the structure. Second, since it gets narrower the higher you go, the more you have to compete for the position, which means you have to be completely ruthless. You have to step on other people to climb. Finally, you have to give up more and more of your time and energy. You have to have no life of your own, just for the faint possibility that you may get to the top. Sounds like a pretty bad deal to me.

[@levioneill9677]

Set financial goals outside of your employer. Once you acheive finacial independence, the ladder fails to matter. I say this as a guy in corporate, who is very happy with where he's at on the ladder.

[@TB-pu9kq]

There are many people who see this as “complaining” but for some of us, it’s all we see. Thank you for bringing light to these issues.

[@07wrxtr1]

They love using the "complaining" as a convenient way to dismiss reality. I've had extremely fact based debates with managers and have even had them admit: "you're completely right" only to revert back to: "..so are you going to grind it out?"

[@emdo.unlimited555]

Let them complain while they see us excel past them while they climb.. Don't brag though because that will tip them off to figure out how to tax you

[@Macheako]

bro I PROMISE YOU these people would've been sayin the same thing to slaves back in the day 😂 😂 😂 "Oh you boys are just COMPLAININ too much! but look at what Mr. Cooper gives ya in return for all that hard work!!!" 😂 😂 😂

[@terriangrey6763]

My company has a mentor program to promote supervisors. I and my other employees took part. I out performed everyone. I was the only one who got a failing team and I improved the time to the number 3 spot in the company of 59 teams. I didn't get promoted because a manager, "1 manager" didn't like me. No other reason. They literally had no feedback to give me. Nothing to improve on. 2 years later when my supervisor was leaving the company he told me everything. It all depends of if the person above you like you are not. That is all it comes down to.

[@blacknight0201]

Sounds like high school

[@FutureBusinessTech]

Yup, and if they don't like you for unethical reasons or because of their own personal biases, there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that except leave.

[@yaya14every81]

How did you ‘outperform’ everyone? This manager literally ‘stopped’ your career progression in the organization and his peers agreed through their actions.

[@TrishDigginsDesign]

Or if they want to keep you. I missed on a MAJOR opportunity to move up through another area of the company because my boss went to the new division and said she couldn’t do without me so.... I didn’t get the big opportunity I had worked SO HARD (days, nights, weekends) for. I was SO PISSED.

[@terriangrey6763]

@@yaya14every81 There are metics that the company use to measure performance. I got a team where a few people were to be taken to HR to be fired. I asked my manager to give me 2 months to work with them. Within that 2 months, I got everyone to start meeting and exceed the targets. There is a quarterly review for the 59 supervisors. Out of all the 8-9 person's on the mentoring program, I was the only one to get ranked in the top 5 supervisor within the company. The others didn't even make it in the single digits. The other person's in the mentor program came to me for advise and guidance on managing their teams. But 1 manager changed it

[@alexandermikhailov2481]

I have worked in corpotations for decades. Ended in a global HQ of a large multinational FMCG corporation. I was promoted for continuous outstanding performance in the field. I was able to last at HQ for less than three years, and the ladder was kicked from underneath me - massive restructuring. I did not play political games, was nobody's pet, real personal performance is never a factor at HQs anyway, so they let me go among dozens of others. My observation: someone must possess a strong personal feature to get to a C-suite level: they must be a ruthless asshole.

[@GunterD1337]

my observation is to go higher after a certain point you need acting skills, being able to lick asses and whatever non stop, dedicate your free time to doing crap with your bosses and be ruthless. One guy at my company started playing golf for the sole reason of having more chances to talk to higher ups. His interest in the sport is absolutely 0.

[@SrtRacerBoy]

Here are the actual climbing the corporate ladder 1. Kiss the right Ass, try fitting in like the "Kool Kids" in high school. Play the Social Bullshit Games 2. Job Jump, Just keep switching jobs. Move up Quickly inside the new job's, Otherwise you WILL BE stuck being the lower tier employee. Additionally, go to school or do quick and easy online classes to FLUFF up that resume. Most jobs wont even know what most IT Degree's mean, go grab a C+, or any other 2 week course online.

[@DrMoothecat]

The whole concept of working 50 out of 52 weeks of your life is what did it for me.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

When you put it like that it really hurts.

[@archygrey9093]

You only live for 52 weeks?

[@ampersignia]

Some people die before they hit retirement, and that shit scares me. Imagine you work a whole 40 years from age 18 to 58 and you die before you get to retire... ugh ugh ugh

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

@@ampersignia I had a friend who's grandfather died two weeks after he retired.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

@ Somehow that doesn't seem much better.

[@metalalive2006]

Company loyalty nowadays is BS, but you still need to pretend that you are loyal and enjoy working overtime in front of your manager... So be a good actors / actresses

[@Helicopterpilot16]

They wonder why society is multiple personality and narcissistic. The mind boggles.

[@toomuchtruth]

No, you need to have the balls to call them out for their bullshit and build your skills to the point that you can leave the job & easily get other work.

[@OffGridInvestor]

I enjoy working overtime for wages. You would too for $300 for 6 hours. I actually just wish I could work the weekends and get paid overtime because I could do anything else all week and still get 80% of what the mon to fri people get.

[@OffGridInvestor]

@@posthumanistpotato yet IN MANY PLACES in the world, unpaid wages are illegal. They FINALLY nailed that one down as a specific law recently in my state of Australia. Happy they did because now it's not some bs runaround but something that you can sue for without complications and a judges decision is half made with that law on the books.

[@willofdodge1]

@@toomuchtruth Calling boss on bullshit is an easy way to get denied opportunity. You have to be stealthy and true goals hidden.

[@ryster2220]

Tried climbing the ladder for 8 years when I had enough and became an elementary school teacher. Best move I’ve made, it’s a difficult job but NY pays well and the experience raises are laid out crystal clear. Plus summers off 😎

[@lalida6432]

Gen X here. Earlier in my career, I was on the ladder in a senior position. Two Boomers were above me ages 70+ (one came back from retirement) with no plans to leave, four Millennials were below me and another Gen Xer was hired in but a bit older and above me. Looking around, I became impatient and decided I didn't want to wait who knows how many more years to move up the ladder. I left and did something enriching instead. Who has the time to wait around for someone to die?

[@westganton]

As someone that sees through corporate bullshit, this is why I never do more than the absolute bare minimum at work even when I know how to. Pretend to pay me and I'll pretend to work, but you won't find any loyalty here except to my team. It's just business as they say

[@DarkAngel1979fuck]

Same here, got sick of this you need to be seen to be working in front of the big wigs. It's bullshit all they want are lindked out sycophants.

[@lahadisrael5810]

💯

[@randallN-sw6ee]

Ok Franklin the Turtle

[@shawnkay5462]

I agree. I never do more than I should. Pay me or otherwise f off. Lol. Im not brown nosing anybody. Then you have the idiots that love ass kissing

[@lordfizzz]

Dpnt forget the obligatory poop on the clock break

[@jameljami11]

The first piece of advice I got when starting my IT career is if you're young and willing to move. Do not wait for a raise within your company, its often times easier to just apply for another position at another company that pays more. That new position is your "raise"

[@chilepeulla]

This is definitely the way, I moved multiple times in my early career years until I reached a point where making more money would not significantly improve my life. From that point forward, I just change jobs if the company starts doing bs that impacts my well being

[@altluigi5733]

True. Every Interview they ask, "how much you are making" If I want to make 50k, I say I was making 50k, anything extra will be good. You are hire.

[@valdius85]

Yes and no. It's worth to negotiate, but with an offer in another company in hand. Otherwise it is not negotiation, it's jus begging :)

[@Macheako]

gotta have that "Leverage" and unfortunately, most modern bosses don't start to shake in their boots until you REALLY threaten em lol like "I got an offer from another company" 😂

[@RetroS01]

I remembered working as a courtesy clerk at a grocery store. I was promised a higher position/pay if I “work hard”. As a matter of fact, I was the hardest worker, and all I received were pat on the backs and “Good job! You’re the best man!” I worked there for about 4 years, probably the most depressing time of my life. I quit, and applied for higher positions at another part time job and was more qualified. Make their first impressions of you a positive one. I went from being a shy dog to vibing with the interviewer, as well as asking the interviewer questions, kinda like telling them “why should I work here”.

[@carlosf9278]

The key to success: * Swallow your pride * Kiss up to your bosses * Work slow at first & then work slightly faster whenever your bosses are around to make them think you’re improving * Start small conversations with people avives you… your coworkers won’t get you that promotion I’ve seen too many lazy bosses in my years and it honestly annoys me… but it also shows how management is not looking for a hard/efficient worker…. They’re just looking for someone to fill the position… and generally speaking, it’s the one they like the most from the interview

[@unluckytourist]

"Climbing the corporate ladder" - how? Most of the guys at the top parachute in from outside.

[@Amadeus8484]

They went to the right frat which they only go into it because the better part of them ran down their mother's legs.

[@gustav24-7-52]

Truth.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

Gold!

[@Luemm3l]

haha, that made me chuckle but is kinda true... and even if they manage to damage the building in the process (i.e. do bad decisions) they can leave and even get money thrown after them too (Severange pay for managers and so on)

[@lind3237]

💯

[@xyzigh]

Step 1: have a parent that is a CEO Step 2: have a family friend that is a CEO groom you to be CEO of his/her company Step 3: Accept the offer when it comes.

[@chellejack3480]

That ain't a lie. It's definitely who you know.

[@XPMBblues]

I looked up a bunch of CEOs in my industry and with one exception, this is literally the career path.

[@Max-lf3tx]

Knew someone that went straight from undergraduate to vice president of his dad's company...he knew nothing

[@backlundbob4171]

This is a great piece of steaming shit worse than the indeed article. Ya I am rich. I did nothing but was more a billionaire. Let's write a article about how to be born rich and not get screwed by corporate America.

[@Concept2035]

nepotism

[@Uncle-Ruckus-]

I knew a chick once who, in less than a year of employment at a company she didn't even know existed beforehand, was granted OWNERSHIP of one of their intellectual properties. She went from literally the bottom rung to being above almost EVERYBODY in about 9-10 months. On a completey unrelated side note, it just so happens she was a 9/10 with big jugs who, I'm very sure, played tonsil hockey with one of the big boss' balls. THAT'S how you climb the corporate ladder: on your back.

[@TheFirstRealChewy]

The best way to climb the corporate ladder is to intentionally climb the ladder. The key is to ask for what you want instead of waiting for someone to give it to you. I didn't understand this during the first decade of my career. The reason you advance quicker by switching jobs is because you are asking for what you want. The same should apply when you sit down with your manager. Want more money? Want a different role? Ask for it. They can definitely tell you no, but they now know what you want and if you keep asking they know its only a matter of time before you go looking for it somewhere else. Use every year to figure our your goal, then go for it. Remember, this is your goal, not your company's goal. They can be similar or different. What about working hard? Won't my employer recognize my hard work? Ha! They will, but usually not in the way you want. Put yourself in the shoes of your employer. A hardworking employee is just that, a hard worker. Hard workers are great to have, but it doesn't mean they'll get promoted. The more work a hard worker can do for less money means you keep more of your money as the employer.

[@Ben-gk7di]

Thank you. I found this information quite helpful. Btw where do you live?

[@michaelryan3818]

Years ago I was passed over for a promotion, but I was expected to train the outside hire that was chosen over me. I openly said no and they tried to get me for breach of contract for not training someone that now out ranked me. My contract said, specifically, "train subordinates" and he was not my subordinate...I won that one.

[@ashwinaranha5698]

Like a boss, kudos to the courage you showed

[@stevematson4808]

The bosses usually promote their incompetent little buddies. I've seen so much of this that I now view most middle management with suspicion.

[@cwizzy13]

As you should

[@kwameg.114]

💯🎯😒

[@dianaverano7878]

If you are too efficient, your ideas will outshine them. You become a threat. They dont like that. Toxic Corporate culture means you have to clap your hands on your boss & executives. Follow where their feet walk. Praise the boss all the time. Let them get your ideas and take the credit from you as being " part of the team" and being a team player.

[@Neveri93]

Great video! I love when someone is being honest about something.

[@H3M1_Official]

Great video! Love the examples and illustrations acted out!

[@edwardwray9056]

I found the perfect game for you to livestream. It is called Going Under. You play as an unpaid intern who dungeon crawls through dead startups.

[@owacs_ender]

Going Under is amazing but painful for the first few hours, it's hard!

[@bluegiant13]

Something like Heroin Hero?

[@rossgeography]

lolz

[@cherukurisaitharun5012]

😂😂😂😂😂 excellent

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

The game deserves more attention! It has a lot of nice detail put into it and the devs are mainly just a few recent college grads, which is really impressive!

[@R_S747]

"climbing the corporate ladder" hasn't been a thing for decades but boomers refuse to recognise that for some reason

[@HenshinFanatic]

Oh they recognize that it's gone, who do you think destroyed it? They just don't want the pleb children to realize so they can have their slaves without the rightful scorn that would be cast upon them if the truth was mainstream.

[@R_S747]

@@HenshinFanatic unfortunately true

[@McSnezzly]

@@HenshinFanatic YEPP. To my father in law, we are lazy for wanting to work from home, but he is allowed to because he “earned it”. They have such a superiority complex over this shit bc if they don’t they’d realize they wasted their whole lives

[@mxbx307]

There was a time in the UK where you could start as an apprentice floor mopper as a teenager and just "work your way up" to become CEO 40+ years later. Nah, that's long gone, dead, buried, not coming back. If only the boomers understood that. My father worked for the same local company his entire working life and retired in 2018 after 41 years, and he had indeed "worked his way up" from a graduate trainee to sitting on the Board. I work for a UK multinational corporate giant. It absolutely blows his mind that my manager lives 300 miles away and I've never met her, or that some people in London are part of a small team with colleagues based in Illinois and Germany.

[@bigchunkyboi]

Needed this reminder and thank you mang! going to start looking for more work

[@caiosimoes86]

Joshua, you're helping me a lot!! We must look after ourselves in the first place always!

[@cristianestrada708]

I think the best mindset working in a corporativo environment is to use them as they use you. Use their resources, use their budget, use their projects. Never expecting to be noticed, but trying to pursue your own goals. If they dont let you, just fire them and go somewhere else.

[@donnabennett5454]

So much this!!!!

[@snehavora3507]

It's not that easy to go somewhere else. Many of us have rents to pay, food to buy.

[@apuapustaja1]

@@snehavora3507 that is the reason you never quit while you don't have a second job lined up. I quit/put the 2 week notice at my first place when I signed the agreement/contract for my second job. You would be a fool to not do that.

[@snehavora3507]

@@apuapustaja1 : Many times, another job offer is not lined up and the employer ends up terminating the employee by setting them up for failure.

[@apuapustaja1]

@@snehavora3507 unfortunately that does happen. Some bosses are former bullies or bullied kids who are now acting as bullies at workplace. Those situations are quite tough to live in but I do realize I have been fortunate enough to not be involved in them.

[@phantomvox951]

Ive been working for the same company for over 25 years. We can’t retain young professionals because all of them quit after 2 or 3 years If they feel stuck with no career progression. This is one of the things I admire of young people. Older people don’t agree with it at all because we think they want things happen quickly but why would they wait? To be like a 45 years old person like me to get anything happen in their lives? We like it or not working for a company for many years is not always the right choice because you are not in charge of how much you will progress in your career.

[@djrickyb]

I will also add that we only live once! Why would I want to do the same repetitive thing over, and over, and over again for decades on in? When people tell me they worked at the same company for 45 years, and started right out of high school, and are now in their 60s, and they only had like 1 other starter job before they worked for this company...That story to me is incredibly BORING! Most People want varying experiences in life when it comes to the work they did, and don't want to be so complacent! It is great to find a company that you truly are dedicated to, and if it pays well for what you do, then some decide to stick around as lifers. Others just get too comfortable, and keep working at the same place forever because of their relationships with co workers and/or because it is so close to where they live. However, most people want to experience more in life than just 1 or 2, or even 3-4 different employers/jobs in their working life.

[@MrDarthvis]

No promotion for busting my ass (and rather give it your your kiss ass employee)? Fine, I’ll get my promotion myself.

[@hillie47]

I'm 44 and making a good jump in pay by moving. You're not old in your 40s. Look around and make yourself presentable. With that I mean: have a resume that talks about what you achieved, not what you did. Instead of "worked as a staff accountant fumbling the numbers for 8 years", you "achieved a 35% cost reduction in XYZ expenses and reduced the quarterly reporting turnaround time by 40%". Or whatever. And keep your skillset a bit current too and make sure you can present it in a positive light.

[@TheChubbyd07]

I’m only 5 years younger than you, and I make my moves when it makes sense. The days of marrying your employer are over. You need to put yourself out there.

[@rickyaguilar7572]

God Bless you all. I'm 27, and im sick of these corporations.

[@hsk-jm6kh]

This is without doubt one of my top 5 most useful KZbin videos i have ever watched! and believe me, when i say that i watch a lot of KZbin!. You are a legend 🙌 👏 . Confirmed exactly what ive been thinking for years. The company i work for, keeps promoting people to manage my department even though they have less life experience then me and worse still, they have that nasty habit of recruiting outsiders to manage my department who also have no experience of how to do my job role

[@MB-or8js]

100% spot on. Exactly my experience. Less than 2% in corporations are seen as high risers for reasons mentioned in the video which have rarely anything to do with competency. Often age plays a role, too - corporations want to vest into younger hires to rise the ladder since they hope to get more out for a longer period of time for less money. Therefore yes, change of jobs after a while using external opportunities is a must for the majority of skilled employees to progress.

[@JoannaSelvan]

I moved up through company ladder and it ended up with me resigning eventually. Suicidal, anxious to the point of difficulty sleeping and with mental breakdown. Seriously it is not worth it. Better to jump around jobs and get promotions this way. If you get a promotion internally great but don’t overstay your welcome. Use it as a leverage to find your next job. Never get involved and attached to this fake idea “we are a family”, “being a team player” and “loyalty”. High positions tends to be full of power hungry, crazy people. Constant backstabbing, terrible behaviour that gets accepted because your leaders are charming and “effective”. Promotions come with strings attached. I had to constantly look over my back. Had to document everything. They tried to blame big mishap on me to the point of mobbing. Luckily I saw through it but at what mental cost… 😒 Coming home exhausted, indulging in unhealthy habits to cope with heinous amount of stress and anxiety. All just to go back to this hell hole the next day.

[@hospitaladministrator3359]

You are right. If you can’t cope with that, then it’s not for you. Im you are absolutely right and my acceptance that this is what it is, is what allows me to know it’s not personal. Once you understand that it isn’t personal and make yourself very skilled at what you do, that’s when it becomes easier. For me, I want to be rich, so hey, I suck it up

[@yumikotanashi]

Oh god you don't know how much this helped me

[@aligrafix1985]

You are right. The manager at the last company I worked at said the more you attend and the fewer vacations you will take including sick leaves will guarantee you a promotion. Then I got a performance notice to finish developing two systems in two months. I got constructively dismissed at the end. No company is a family to you! And that corporate ladder is an illusion.

[@1439315]

Always talk with the people who have been at this company a few years longer than you. They do NOT hesitate to tell you how un happy they all are . . . . . . . . .

[@RiffMaker]

Yup, I make it a point to use up any and ALL Vacation/PTO/Sick time every year. I don't care what rolls over, nobody is guaranteed that roll over if they are no longer with the company. Call out sick if you have the days to burn without giving a shit whether or not they have coverage, not my problem if they decided to staff themselves poorly or not.

[@dprggrmr]

As a guy who escaped the corporate grind for other career options, I like hearing these positive affirmations and hope others can find the light... I was covering up some really deep depression during my time in the cubicle

[@PyrrhicPax]

My father worked for Tyson for 15 years. He was a shift manager and maintenance man, who knew how to fix every machine in the facility, he knew how to run every department, and what every area needed to operate.. one day he applied for the facilities upper Management, and they gave the job to the boss's son instead, fresh outta college with no work experience at all. P.S. my father is also a VETERAN of Bush's War. Still wasnt good enough for the company.

[@nordfyr1]

you love your dad, the company boss loved his son..

[@pops3288]

Nepo baby. I’m sure he is failing at his job but no one important in the plant is bringing it up except the floor workers and mid level supes. It’s the same at my job.

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

This happened to my friend’s husband. He was with a company for 30 years, and learned ALL the jobs PLUS went to school to learn IT and helped them modernize their technology. There was a management job that opened up. Guess who they gave it to? The owner’s niece who just graduated college. She became his boss, wouldn’t listen to him, and wouldn’t you know what happened next - they fired HIM.