Why Didn't Fred and George Notice PETTIGREW on the Marauder's Map? - Harry Potter Theory

[@TomsBackyardWorkshop]

The Marauders names don't appear on the map except to other marauders. If I remember correctly in the book Harry never saw Peters name on the map it was Remus who saw it.

[@alecedgeworth2814]

If that was true then why did he appear to Harry since he was not a marauder only offspring of one?

[@TomsBackyardWorkshop]

That was the movie not the book.@@alecedgeworth2814

[@Phoenix.219]

​@@alecedgeworth2814in book it doesn't appear as already said above. Remus sees him. Movie changed it. I actually read book after watching movies so I was expecting the same but Harry doesn't see him in the movie. Remus was looking at map just to keep an eye on Harry bcz he knew he will go to see Buckbeak as he was about to get executed so he saw the trio on Map but when they were returning they saw Scabbers and picked him and Remus saw the map showing Peter's name alongside the trio and then saw Sirius so he ran to the whooping willow to safeguard Harry and also obviously to figure out why he is on map (till then even he didn't know that Peter is alive and Sirius is innocent although he had his doubts).

[@Phoenix.219]

It can be a theory. I don't remember the exact words Snape says in whooping willow. He says that he went to Remus' office to give him potion for his werewolf thing but then saw Marauders map on his table but I don't think he mentioned if he saw Lupin or Peter or Sirius on map.

[@mecahhannah]

Agreed

[@theindianpaladin]

I think it's got something to do with how the map couldn't be used against Mauraders.

[@laraduff4949]

Yeah I actually wondered that. I thought maybe they just didn't recognise the name and didn't think much of it

[@samstromberg5593]

Bro was sleeping with their brother Two of their brothers actually. I think they would've thought much of it

[@Spike-ex5bp]

You think they actually kept tabs on either Percy or Ron?? Sure they liked to give them a hard time but keeping their eyes on where they were at all times is not in their agenda. If they saw pettigrew in the same place as either of their brothers they would have just thought it was another student that they didn't know

[@samstromberg5593]

@@Spike-ex5bp Not kept tabs on them or anything, but you can't tell me that not once, in their entire time with the map, did they EVER check on either brother at night And they knew all the Gryffindors. Prolly knew all the STUDENTS, but they DEFINITELY knew all the Gryffindors. Fred and George were pretty popular PLUS I'd bet a lot of money that they saw each brother at night at least once and given that Scabbers was with them EVERY night, it'd be enough to raise questions

[@ibtiago18]

For me there is another possibility. Perci didn't take Scabers around the castle with him, prefering to keep him in his dormitory. Because of it, when the twins saw him in other areas of the castle they didn't see Pettigrew around him. Also, people seem to fixed on the idea that the twins would use the map to continousally check up/spy on their brothers. I could see the twins using the map at times where they didn't knew where Ron was, like when he goes to the florest with Harry or when they go to the Chamber of Secrets. But I'm not seeing them spending nights just looking at Percy's and Ron's whereabouts for no reason.

[@trillz31]

I still subscribe that they made sure that no one can see them on the map but each other.

[@westzed23]

Thanks for this explanation. I thought that Fred and George would be looking at crowded names that Pettigrew would be hard to pick out. Also, the twins were more interested in secret passages and rooms, and watching out for Filch and professors. Then you point out that Pettigrew may mean nothing to the twins because their parents really didn't want to discuss that to their children.

[@samstromberg5593]

)Okay but it wouldn't matter if they didn't recognize the name because bro was sleeping with two of their brothers. Doesn't matter if they don't recognize the name, that's GOING to raise some questions )Harry likes to just watch Ginny walk around when he's gone in Deathly Hallows - the names aren't so crowded that you can't read/recognize them )They had the entire map memorized. Do you understand how long it takes to memorize an entire map of an entire castle? PLUS you can't tell me they never once thought to check on their brother during the night, and Scabbers was with him every night (except that time in 3rd year he went missing but this was after they gave the map to Harry anyway). PLUS they're interested in the ENTIRE map because the castle is FULL of Easter Eggs that the founders left and the twins ABSOLUTELY would have checked out their common room/dorms This is a pretty terrible explanation

[@imperialinquisition6006]

@@samstromberg5593 I guess you could say that he was just finding her name and reading it. It’s possible and likely that if you look at the tower on the map there are loads of names on different floors. Assuming the name was even visible to non-marauders, it’s entirely possible that they just assumed that it was someone on a different floor, above or below, or the map just wasn’t working properly or something. The names don’t need to be so crowded as to be impossible to make out, there just needs to be a more reasonable explanation, which there probably is, again, assuming they could even see the name.

[@samstromberg5593]

@@imperialinquisition6006 Okay, I see what you're saying and that is semi fair? I still think if they saw a name they didn't recognize in the Gryffindor dorms, it would raise a few questions and they would go back and check later. As Gryffindors, they would probably know every other Gryffindor but even if they didn't it wouldn't take too much asking to figure out that Peter Pettigrew isn't a student at the school because nobody else knows him either. It's likely that they know his name, being the "hero that went up against Sirius Black" that he is, but even if they don't it's extremely probable that one of the other Gryffindors does The best explanation is that only Maurauders can see the other Marauders but most are better than this one

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

Even if they didn't recognize the name, they surely noticed that Ron was sharing a bed every single night with someone called Peter Pettigrew, from the age of 11. And didn't ask any questions?

[@ubergeek1968]

That assumes that they ever bothered to look at the map, and at their brothers' dorm room(s) on that map, at night... I would suspect that Fred and George had other interests than their brother's

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

@@ubergeek1968 when Sirius Black was thought to be intending to murder Harry, surely they used it to check on Ron from time to time, before they passed it to Harry.

[@Mew_Stor]

Hehe they thought that Ron was gay lol

[@AustynSN]

Video: "There very well could have been some random student at Hogwarts with the same name as a wizard who had supposedly died more than a decade ago." Peter Pettigrew II (on coming home from 1995 school year) Peter: "Hey mom! You remember the brave cousin of yours you said I was named after who bravely stood against one of the servants he-who-must-not-be-named and got killed for it? Mother: "Yeah, son, I saw Daily Prophet. We're changing your name." Peter's 10-year old Sister (giggling): "HA! Nobody will ever hate me for my name!" Peter: "Shut up, Dolores!" (Also, if there was a student named "Peter Pettegrew", then there would have been two "Peter Pettegrew"s on the map and given how small the classes were, every student probably knew every other person in their own house at the very least.)

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

Here's my theory: James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter might have enchanted the map such that only they themselves couldn't be seen on the map unless it was by each other. That would explain why Lupin could see Peter, and if the charm was blood related, it would also explain why Harry could see him since he was James's son.

[@samstromberg5593]

Harry never say Pettigrew on the map Snape did (when it was opened by Lupin) but not Harry

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

@@samstromberg5593 I guess it depends on whether we're talking about the movie or the book, and we probably should be talking about the book, so you're right.

[@Harry-Hartmann]

A Very Good Video 👍🏻

[@samstromberg5593]

But the explanation doesn't make sense What was good about it??

[@BjornV1994]

The thing that people always seem to overlook when talking about the Marauder's map is how the Weasley twins were using it. They were using it to find either hidden passageways or to keep an eye on their immediate surroundings to make sure if Argus Filch or a professor wasn't close by. Anything else in the incredibly large castle that is Hogwarts, would be unnecessary information and dangerous to look for on the prowl especially as they didn't have the luxury of an invisibility cloack to protect them from being seen. Even Harry with one, often didn't look that much further than his immediate surroundings unless he was specifically seeking someone. Peter would have never been a place that was interesting for them to keep an eye on, so they would have never noticed him. Also, it is very unlikely that they kept their eye on the map at all times, they probably looked at it every few moments, to ensure there was danger but just as quickly closed the map again, just in case they would happen to be caught (and we know from Hagrid that they had been caught by him alone several times already when they tried to sneak into the Forbidden Forest for one). Nobody could know that the piece of old parchment was in fact a map, so unless they were actively using it, it had to look like that old piece of parchment.

[@samstromberg5593]

But they didn't only use the map when they were sneaking around, they also studied it. Extensively. They had it pretty much memorized by the time they gave it to Harry - do you know how long it takes to memorize blueprints for an entire castle?? PLUS, they probably studied it mostly at night when they would see Peter and Percy/Ron together

[@mr_yoru5834]

I think the simple explanation is that, while the movies scale everything down, Hogwarts is meant to be absolutely massive and can comfortably house hundreds of students and dozens of staff members. It's very likely that at any one time, there could be a lot of names on the map, and since Peter wasn't the name of Filch or a teacher they simply dismissed him as another student or just didnt pay any attention to it at all.

[@grec.]

So i was listening to the books the other day and realized how Snape knew about the Marauders' Map, and also was able to read the names of Lupin, Sirius, and the Golden Trio. So to me, that debunks the theory (that i untill that moment of realization agreed to) that only the Marauders' can see each other in the map and it's why the twins weren't able to see Peter Pettigrew on the Map in years one and two. (Because they could have not seen Peter's name outside of Hogwarts' perimeters since the Map only works for Hogwarts and Hogsmeade). My theory is: 1) They simply didn't care about Ron in his dormitories nor any of his whereabouts, therefore didn't focus at all in that space within the Map. 2) The names were so small, they probably didn't brother for any Peter, since he was a rat and probably was wandering around the Castle most of the time. (Edit: ok. I'll expand on this: what i mean is; if they saw a Peter on the Map next to Ron, let's say, in Hogsmeade) that Peter could have been a student from another house, so they would had bot care or feel curious) 3) The twins were just focused in Filtch's, Peeves and the teacher's whereabouts, so they'd know when passages where in the clear so they could wander around for their mischievous deeds in the Castle and secret passages.

[@Yvanehtnioj2000]

Because of the plot. That’s why. There is absolutely NO excuse for why they didn’t see Wormtail other than JK needed them NOT to see him. They all knew who Peter Pettigrew was because he’s hailed as a hero in the Wizarding World for his supposed death at the hands of Sirius. So it 100% should’ve raised their suspicions that their brother’s rat was named “Peter Pettigrew” especially considering the map is accurate about everyone and everything else.

[@WardenWolf]

I think he simply used a Confundus charm on them so that any time they read Peter Pettigrew their minds replaced it with Scabbers. It would be easy to do while they were asleep.

[@samstromberg5593]

Bro didn't know they had the map though

[@theratking013]

But they never find it weird that Scabbers, a Rat was over 10 years with them, Rats only live for 2-3Years.

[@kIdeoCash_TMG]

When snape bought the potition for lupin he saw the map on lupins desk and saw where lupin was going on the map it says that in book. the twin basically said make sure you clear it otherwise ANYONE could read it. well in the book the map did have one flaw if someone name is like barty crouch jr it would just show the name as barty crouch that was other story that was left out of the movie

[@Mew_Stor]

Fred: “I knew Ron was gay all the time!”

[@capt.confusion4744]

Ron knew the story of Peter Petigrue. So Fred and George would have known most likely

[@Katiriaa84]

Harry could see other Marauder's names, because Harry's father created a map and he is connected to him with blood.

[@DarthCrow]

That always seemed strange... I mean sure, they were focused on their own mischief, using it only when they needed to around the castle and had memorised it plenty by the time Ron came into the picture. But they not once took a look at Percy when he was there? Given that he was Mr goody-two-shoes? He would have been someone they would need to keep track of since he knew they were always messing around... whatever reasoning that's come up for this always seemed to fall short of a fullproof excuse.

[@samstromberg5593]

Yeah this explanation sure doesn't cover it My theory (Seamus something came up with it and SCB uses it too) is that only Marauders can see other Marauders Snape seeing Lupin is possible cause Lupin was the one to unlock the map that time

[@stevengoldstein114]

the age of the rat should have been a clue.

[@lukefrohling]

Nope. There’s an even more sensible reason why only Remus and Harry saw Peter. The map was created by HP father, Remus, Peter, and SB. All of which were ILLEGAL unregistered Animagus. The map shows the true name of people. The people who made the map ONLY wanted those four (and the families of those four) to be able to see their true names otherwise they would get arrested - families would know as it was assumed that families would already know of the unregistered animagus. Simple.

[@samstromberg5593]

You don't even need to include the families of those 4 - I don't believe there's ever a time when one of the Marauders IS seen by someone who's not one of them Except when Snape sees them in the Shack, but that one's because Lupin was the one to open it Harry sees Peter in the movie but not the book

[@mecahhannah]

Awesome as always thanks ❤

[@samstromberg5593]

Also wrong But, you know, awesome is another word that you could choose to use for it

[@frances3064]

How did Harry not notice moody wasn’t moody on the map when crouch jr was polijuiced into him is more interesting question

[@samstromberg5593]

... He did

[@saphiramystique2086]

The only time I can remember Harry looking at the map during Goblet of Fire is when he was snuck out at night to figure out the egg clue, and he did see Barty Crouch’s name, but at that time he didn't know Crouch had a son and the map didn't have Jr, so he thought it was Barty Crouch Sr, sneaking into Hogwarts at night, and at that moment Moody wasn't near him, so there wasn't any reason to think Moody wasn't Moody when he was near Harry, he had dropped the map, and Crouch/Moody picked it up, and ask to borrow it after seeing his name on the map, so Harry never got a chance to look at the map when Fake Moody was near him.

[@henkdevrjes9640]

What about Voldi on the back of Quirrels head?

[@МаксимЯромич]

he was not a person at the time. just a 'mist'. Ravenclaw's diadem was also not shown, as well as the diary.

[@macrosense]

Did they even know him well enough to notice his name?

[@santosic]

I like this explanation. It basically boils down to: yes, they DID actually notice the name, but it literally meant nothing to them and didn't pay any more attention to it any more than they did the other non-Filch or non-teacher names. Frankly, that's entirely realistic and plausible considering what they were using the map for and how many students were at Hogwarts.

[@samstromberg5593]

This explanation doesn't hold up though It doesn't NEED to mean anything to them, dude was sleeping with 2 of their brothers every night

[@saphiramystique2086]

When it comes to not seeing Pettigrew in bed with Ron people seem to forget unless they were out sneaking around the castle (in which they'd be watching for people walking towards them, not their brother’s dorm room) Fred and George would be in bed asleep themselves not sitting up all not watching others sleeping on the map. And during the day, I doubt they brought the map out much and if they did, there would be thousands of people roaming the castle, so, even if they did see Pettigrew’s name, they wouldn't have thought anything of it or even paid attention enough to remember it.

[@samstromberg5593]

Okay first of all there's not thousands of people roaming around the castle there's barely hundreds Besides that they did spend time just studying the map without anything particular they were searching for and most of it would probably be at night cause that's when nobody else is watching them

[@saphiramystique2086]

There are four houses for students of 7 different grade levels, then there are the professors and Argus Flich, maybe that's not thousands I might have exaggerated a little there. And yes, Fred and George would have studied the map when they first found it, but didn't they find it in first year? Ron was two or three years below them so by the time he started Hogwarts, they likely had it mostly memorized and didn't look at it much, unless they were out sneaking around and there is nothing saying, Percy let Scabbers sleep in the bed with him when he owned him and even if studying it I doubt they paid much attention to the dorm rooms. Even with just hundreds or barely hundreds, it would be easy to overlook a name, that's still a lot of names to look at on a map and remember. People act as if Fred and George spent their nights just watching their brother sleeping on the map, one they weren't creepy like that, and two, they would have had to get some sleep.

[@samstromberg5593]

@@saphiramystique2086 Idk how old you are but as a teenager who has a brother (and we're fairly similar to Fred and George) I can confirm night is an excellent time to plot, sleep is overrated and teens don't need as much as everyone thinks they do I mean scientifically, the amount of sleep teens get is a problem and they SHOULD get more. But that doesn't mean we actually DO get that much I'm sure they didn't spend nights just watching their brother sleep no but surely they checked on him at least once? Plus just searching the dorms for any secret passages or anything? A lot of this would HAVE to be done at night because that's when nobody is watching them. And I get yeah Percy's not Ron but there's not really anything to suggest that he DIDN'T let Scabbers in his bed A few hundred students IS still a lot to keep track of but I'm pretty sure Fred and George knew all the Gryffindors, and it's not like at night (when they're studying the map) they have to keep track of everyone. They're just searching the dorms for anything weird and would probably notice a name they don't recognize, which is enough to raise questions

[@grokeffer6226]

There would be quite a bit of time when Scabbers wasn't near Ron. They only looked at the map every now and then.

[@samstromberg5593]

Not at night though - Scabbers always slept in Ron's bed And presumably Percy's You can't tell me you think they NEVER checked on either of their brothers at night, in those YEARS that they had the map

[@jonbilgutay2]

Unless they were familiar with the Sirius black case, the twins would have no idea who Peter even was. They would probably just think he was another boy in Harry and Ron's year.

[@samstromberg5593]

Fred and George were really popular - they knew all the Gryffindors PLUS they would have seen him with both Percy and Ron and there's nobody held back that many times

[@jonbilgutay2]

@@samstromberg5593 I doubt they were using it to spy on there brothers. I imagine they used it when they were sneaking around, and then there eyes would be on there own dots and the teachers,

[@robinstokhof]

at 0:30 you say that no magic is fooling the map but there is one ocasion that you are in Hogwarts and not showing on the map "the room of Requirement" any one in this room wil not show on the map

[@samstromberg5593]

To be fair it's pretty hard to map a room that isn't always in the same spot That is a good point though

[@stevegallo8483]

The name Peter Pettigrew would not have meant anything to Fred and George. It's never revealed in the books how much, if anything, Molly and Arthur Weasley knew about the betrayal of James and Lily or the Sirius Black case, and it's unlikely they said anything to their kids if they knew anything. Plus, Pettigrew was presumed dead by the whole wizarding community. If the twins did see the name, they likely would have thought it was a fellow student. Remember, they were focused on making mischief and avoiding Filch and the professors.

[@samstromberg5593]

He is relatively famous for confronting Sirius Black Plus they don't need to know the name, it's weird to see someone that they don't know (because being as popular as they are, it's pretty safe to assume they know all the Gryffindors and especially in Ron's year) sleeping with 2 of their brothers They were FOCUSED on making mischief and avoiding Filch but they also memorized the entire map and that takes some serious studying, a lot of it guaranteed to be at night cause that's when they have the privacy to look at it

[@Spike-ex5bp]

They didn't know who pettigrew was. Why would they?? It's not like Arthur would have told them that he was the potters secret keeper and then he was presumed dead after they thought Sirius attacked him. They wouldn't have known anything about him so when they saw him on the map they just figured it was another student that they didn't know

[@Spike-ex5bp]

Also why didn't Harry notice that mad-eye was barty crouch jr?? Especially after he saw Dumbledore's memories of him in the pensieve??

[@samstromberg5593]

Because he's relatively famous for having confronted Sirius Black Beyond that they don't need to know him, when they see that he's sleeping with 2 of their brothers you don't think that's gonna raise any questions? Harry DOES notice Barty Crouch on the map but he thinks it's Sr not Jr and he never notices that it's Moody because he never uses the map in front of people

[@LaLayla99]

I just assumed that Fred & George were so self-involved, they didnt care about Percy or Ron, so why would they look for them on the map?

[@samstromberg5593]

They're not self-involved though Did you get to the part in book 3 where they gave Harry one of the most powerful magical artefacts of all time, for free, because he was lonely? Besides they didn't even need to be looking for Percy or Ron just in the Gryffindor dorms which they're pretty much guaranteed to do at least once

[@janach1305]

Fred and George didn’t notice Peter Pettigrew on the map because at that time JKR was still an inexperienced writer, and was dropping plot holes like confetti.

[@samstromberg5593]

"What do you think" I think this is pretty terrible as far as theories go "They just didn't notice" how low effort can you get?? Of course they would have been looking at the Gryffindor common room and dorms they looked EVERYWHERE. They know so many secret passages and everything else around the school because they've studied - extensively - every INCH of it. The line about "we didn't need it much anymore" is evidence of this - do you know how long it would take to memorize an entire castle?? Especially one specifically designed to keep students entertained (fake walls, moving staircases, ones that go different places on different days - you cannot tell me the founders didn't have a sense of humor and didn't want the students to find all of this) for 7 years? Better theory is that the marauders are only visible to other marauders. Both SCB and their friend (who originally came up with it if memory serves) Seamus something have videos on this

[@ezradanger]

I've got a question. Why didn't Harry see Hermione in two places at once on the map?

[@samstromberg5593]

Bro didn't generally check it during class times

[@ezradanger]

@@samstromberg5593 I guess that's true

[@philipholder5600]

If they didn't know who Peter Petigrew was?

[@kellysouter4381]

They're English. I think they did see Pettigrew sleeping with their brother and were too embarrassed to bring it up.

[@martialparty6021]

They totally did, they just thought his brother was a RAGING homosexual and they just decided to be bros about it 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@thedelta4258]

Fred and George are trouble makers, not homophobes

[@Ninjamom4]

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[@melanievetter6211]

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