WHY DO RAP YOUTH KEEP DISSING TUPAC SHAKUR?

Jude and Justin discuss the trend of young rappers dissing the late great Tupac Shakur.
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[@JoeyMossBBG]

They only diss on Pac so you talk about them. Quit making these lames famous

[@uncclelocc]

Bad Boy Gaming 2Pac Started 1990 to 1996.... In that time span who did it? Will we talk a6out them 20 years later?

[@alexmagallanes6996]

exacly how i feel brother..this shit rappers are only trying to make a name for them selves out of pacs fame

[@uncclelocc]

@Rudolph Manor Did he blow up in 85?

[@randyrichmondiii3415]

@optemestic pats fan We do

[@desifuentes5861]

Dis on him!? Lol that says it all right there

[@dominicwalker2233]

“Niggaz talk a lot of shit, but that’s after I’m gone. Cause they fear me in the physical form.” -Makaveli

[@ItsOliviaaxs]

Dominic Walker facts💯

[@SlottiexBob]

Truth

[@vladimirklizschko9337]

Damn never heard of that line. Thats dope

[@garylafleur744]

Vladimir Klizschko troublesome 96

[@TiciTotyTony]

Facts!!!!

[@justinmakaveli96]

What makes this even more sad is that 2pac had so much love for the youth...

[@jermaineishere]

Man you said it. these kids are hurt and need a literal hug... hurt pep hurt pep... Yahshua=is Salvation

[@chip123dr]

So much love that he inspired them to be thugs and killers and thats exactly what is going on everywhere . one generation teaches the next...just keep practicing ducking for a mass shooting near you...smh

[@thechin182808]

No he didnt like all celebrities hes a clown who led many african americans to the prison system.

[@rubinreyes4492]

@@thechin182808 smh you can only lead yourself to prison

[@DefSquadFan]

@@thechin182808 Tupac made me not want to go to prison.

[@leobustcaps3469]

2Pac will never be forgotten all these “lil” rappers of today will. That’s just facts 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@championrd8557]

True

[@2pac1996-]

Facts

[@danielaria9642]

No

[@blaxgoth812]

Bc he die young

[@aniselopez1117]

Yeap thats wats up

[@HonestArttsEntertain]

“Niggaz talk shit, but that’s after I’m gone. ‘Cause they fear me in a physical form”

[@MisterJohnson303]

HonestArtts Ent. LLC Man, so damn true. These niggaz today are lame-ass cowards. Talk shit about Pac while he's dead and can't respond. Smh.

[@barreldreamz7852]

HonestArtts Sent. LLC You da man for coming through with that one

[@OBSVFULC]

Real Shit! For real!

[@silcowd5021]

Yes!!! Every time I watch an interview or people are talking about him.. that’s exactly the lines that come to mind. PAC already knew how it would play out or he was prepared for the chit chatter. He was intelligently aware of the world and how it works. It’s happening a lot now a days! RIP PAC 🔥💯🙏🏽

[@bryanf1091]

That doesn't even rhyme doe...

[@bobbygiovanni4477]

Like Pac said, "We ain't nothin' without the old school."

[@DJSkandalous]

They do it because it goes viral and the man is not here to respond. That is why they don't diss Nas or Eminem. Pac would write a song on the shitter and destroy these kids career with a song made in 3 minutes. I however place a lot of blame on the estate. Pac could still be relevant but they kept 200 plus unreleased songs in the vault since 2006. And let's be honest, they made alot of shitty and censored remixes that were missing tons of pacs vocals. If they would have released polished versions of the songs with the tracklist he picked out (over 45 known tracklist), I think there would be more respect because his posthumous albums would have been better perceived. Some of his unreleased concepts were on par with Makaveli.

[@flamy6905]

DJ Skandalous love you Dj skandalous ❤❤

[@jerrygranvillejr.5137]

Lil Xan, Eminem, Biggie, Nas, Pac, JayZ, XXX, DMX, Young Thug, new guys, old guys. They're all the same. S E L L O U T S. Idk if it's some lame type relationship with dudes type shit, or some, believing in the devil type shit. They all say shit in their songs, listen son. Fuck whos revelant, listen to how they expose themselves, Every one of those names I wrote has done it. Everyone.

[@chriswhite3198]

"niggaz will talk a lot of shit but that's after I'm gone cause they fear me in the physical form" Tupac Shakur!

[@wowohwow7380]

Chris White oooooo

[@tradinwarstoriez5641]

Jerry Granville Jr. not the all the same

[@shebettelewis9067]

I have so much respect for Pac. I remember growing up before he got with Death Row, he would be around the city Los Angeles rolling by himself. He was so nice and he would always speak and smile. Real genuine guy. First celebrity I shed a tear for when he passed literally felt that in my soul. Driving home from college on the 405 and they said Pac gone on the radio. I pulled over and cried.

[@demgutts]

Tupac was so good that he's still being talked about today, let's see where all these lil' junkies will be in 3 years

[@marselisscott6702]

Its been 3 years and lil xan has fallen off lol

[@icedheart610]

It’s been 3 years now and they’re all gone and pac still Carries on

[@Zyptic]

Cause Pac is gone. They wouldn't be running their mouth if he was still around

[@viktorvondoom9119]

Remember 2Pac - Old School? BACK WHEN RAPPERS ACTUALLY PAID RESPECT TO THE ONES WHO PAVED THE WAY

[@kimimaro9876]

Viktor von DOOM my 2nd favorite Pac tracl, next to Life Goes On

[@uncclelocc]

Viktor von DOOM 2Pac Started 1990 to 1996.... In that time span who did it? Will we talk a6out them 20 years later?

[@johnc.2683]

Tupac didn't actually pay respect to ANYONE though so this is quite hyporitical. He couldn't even keep his story straight on how he got his start in the rap industry.

[@sohimashah5098]

John C PAC couldn’t keep his story straight about how he got into rap? Who are you...VLAD? He started with Shock G.

[@pinheadlarry299]

Sadly it’s an unknown banger 😔 “thru my speaker queen latifa, and MC Lyte, listen to Treach, KRS to get me thru the night”

[@angelomartinez6980]

They're hating on Pac Because he set the bar too high And they know that they'll never pass him Plus this generation of rappers ,most of em are punks that arent authentic street ,so they cant respect real mofos.

[@noorbashit7495]

Agree

[@KISEwun]

They'll need to take a ballerina class and hang out with a bunch of white gays if they want to be as dope as Pac.

[@DracoPadilla]

​@@KISEwun Where you getting your facts from? You lil whatevers bitch or something?

[@richard1678]

100%

[@melvinjohnson9372]

@@KISEwun they ain't gotta do that. They wear dresses and toting purses.

[@arnoldrivers9666]

The fakes hate the real.

[@nightnight4575]

FACTS

[@mokanemalone]

But Tupac is gay??

[@mokanemalone]

@@nightnight4575 naw I saw Pac is gay.

[@kasaunsmith9579]

💯✅️

[@anikadiamond007]

They're jealous. His legacy, skills and legend.

[@championrd8557]

Exactly

[@marvinlynch1305]

@Anubis There are a lot of people who don't listen to Pac, but still know who he is...Pac is a hip hop icon and these youngins envy his legendary status

[@noorbashit7495]

Yeah they trying to do evryting to dissrespect tupac legacy so they can catch up

[@47times_official]

They jealous cause they'll never be as great as him so they disregard him.

[@79Shrooms]

Exactly... & can't beat his stats.

[@brianventura1313]

Pac said there gonna talk about me after I'm gone cause they fear me in the physical form

[@kevinlawrence3036]

Never heard of any of these dudes they’re talking about!

[@sinaguso1]

Because they speak jibberish and can barely form a sentence in English? Tupac was a great speaker

[@ibanvazquez238]

Listened to Tupac since I was 16 and by senior year I put my homies on, and we were always bumping pac. Now at 22, just bought his live show DVD and STILL bumping PAC. He’s the GOAT

[@tapioalatalo6183]

You goddamn right he is!

[@hardcorecasual6608]

Good on you young man, Pac is the 🐐

[@jackdonkey11]

If 2pac was alive these fools wouldn't be

[@jddhdjwhhddj1502]

@@jimmy_butler Yes

[@tarmanjrakathegooch]

Nasir Ali he was known for doing that so...yeah

[@makaveli1358]

@@jimmy_butler yo dumbass you from pakistan?? Stop making us the bad guys by disrespecting the dead legend dumbass!!!

[@kourfiadiaby7241]

Lone Wolf you some headass nigga he ain’t shoot nobody

[@crews-lj3ph]

@@jimmy_butler STFU goofy

[@derrickperez2930]

Tupac spoke deep words of wisdom. These "lil" rappers cant even get to that level

[@johnc.2683]

What "deep words of wisdom" did he speak about that is so wise and immaculate?

[@litkidaka-1i11b8]

that's true my dude. check out Young Rich Youngin on KZbin

[@georgecrowcroft9260]

@@johnc.2683 like all of Brendas Got a Baby

[@johnc.2683]

@Rudolph Manor Grown ass man and you can't even sit here and tell me in an eloquent manner what he wrote (he actually wrote himself NOT had written for him) that was "awe-inspiring and thought-provoking". Nothing he ever said was wise and immaculate and you can try to sit here and to ay he said something that was that way but in all honesty, it will destroy the common sense.

[@johnc.2683]

@@georgecrowcroft9260 Listened to the song and nothing was influential about the song; in fact, how can it be influential when he stole the basic rhyming flow and scheme from another rapper? Nothing in that song was inspirational at all.

[@AQGOAT24]

I think the most impressive thing about Pac is that he was 25 when he died. Take that in. If Kendrick died when Tupac did, GKMC would have been a posthumous album. Tupac released all of those classics and made the social impact by the time he was 25. It's actually really fucking impressive. That's why I sort of think it's gonna be near impossible to replicate what he did. It's certainly possible for people to surpass him but they won't be able to do what he did by the time they were 25. Plus Lil Xan is 21. I'm 23, I don't think it's really a generational gap. Tons of young people love Pac that's why we still talk about him to this day. Many other legends from that era are forgotten

[@CrazeeAdam]

These guys they're talking about are so stupid. Older rappers and some younger ones that are still in the game respect Pac. It's super sad to see these younger rappers not respect Tupac.

[@Historicutuber]

These young rappers suck ass

[@harveymetcalfe7889]

I’m not even 12 and I love pac

[@just_ice5296]

Lol but before his death that impact existed already, his death just made him a rap legend

[@tradinwarstoriez5641]

Damn you 25 now

[@timothyorussell]

The reason why Tupac is still so great is that we still talking about him and the man died in 96. Long live the goat haha!!

[@malachibowler4437]

Timothy Russell he had too much success

[@DanielNyong]

Gtfoh

[@LAking-hg5yc]

Dannyong666 nvm 2pac will forever be remembered his music will never die so I don't know why you disagreeing with his comment

[@DanielNyong]

DafreshPrince 92 I'm only disagreeing with the goat part

[@DanielNyong]

Rich8927 his music isn't better than other Rappers in his era.

[@LC-dj3pc]

Don't diss Pac around me

[@mefdinero]

facts 💯

[@Ghostfacekillah1]

Fuck pac Fr

[@newzealandboxingstudio1141]

@@Ghostfacekillah1 fuck you fr

[@whatdoyoumeanbro4964]

@@Ghostfacekillah1 fuck you fr

[@mokanemalone]

I liked ur comment but I'ma have to diss Pac, he's a Fruit Pac lol

[@DavidSmith-iz8fw]

Tupac range of music is so far I need a telescope when I listen to him

[@Cuauhtemoc3]

It's funny because these young rappers can't even touch Tupac. Im talking about the young wack rappers btw. Tupac is one of the greatest artists of all time and his legacy is going to last 4 ever. These guys will fade out soon and nobody will remember them. I'm 19 about to be 20 and 2Pac is not just my favorite rapper but My favorite artist period. I love his music and hear it almost every day. Fuck all 2Pac haters and enemies. R.I.P Makaveli the don.

[@fifg9905]

Makaveli Raider Tupac is one of the most overrated rappers that ever existed. And you corny sounding niggas with the makeveli usernames and avi hating on any other 90's that not in the outlaws are the reason why this newer generation is starting to dislike tupac more and more.

[@fifg9905]

Makaveli Raider His catalogue won't last forever because 90% of it is filler rushed music. It may have worked for him in the short run but in the long wrong the only brothers we will be remembering are Public Enemy, Wu tang clan, Outkast, etc.

[@bruceleeds7988]

Makaveli Raider the fact this conversation exists proves the last two comments wrong. Pac is as great and influential as you think he is. take it from me, not even the biggest Pac fan I only have All Eyez on Me in my collection, but I know what's up. If you don't have it already buy the Thug Angel Special Edition DVD

[@keontaewilliams5197]

Makaveli Raider Tupac is overrated. Y’all niggas gas him up because he died before he had a chance to fall off 😂

[@Cuauhtemoc3]

The Lake Show no i can't talk for everybody else but me personally i love his music.

[@quintonrichardson8245]

Tupac 12 albums. 75 million sold. 4 platinum albums AFTER he died. Not including that 5x platinum greatest hits. That’s if you’re going numbers. This dude had presidents and senators after him if you’re talking talking someone who’s a threat. What makes rappers of today worse is when you’re trying to start beef with a ghost. Being a part of a gang doesn’t make you great. Start a legacy that remembers you years after you’re gone and see how far you get.

[@briannoll6660]

fuck lil xan he stinks and his music sucks dick this generation make hip hop die

[@tank200828]

Fuck yeah brother .. Hit it on the spot...

[@paulsheppard7635]

+DICK LONG nobody ain't talk about these wack-ass rappers today.

[@mr.charles5589]

Don't get 2 diamond albums

[@rayvaughan3197]

Quinton Richardson Word!

[@dylanfreeman4815]

I'm in HS and i still listen to pac he one of the best ever.

[@tradinwarstoriez5641]

MILOSH • no

[@jtheman4678]

Tupac was a leader, a voice, a Man. Not a lot of people understand what he stood for.

[@thainfamous]

He has more clout that they ever will. The most influential rapper. In an age of social media, the one thing that everyone wants? Influence. To be known. 2Pac achieved this, and now everyone wants a piece.

[@thainfamous]

Its even more unbearable for these new artists when an artist that DIED 20 YEARS AGO is still relevant

[@slimdocs1267]

Tha Infamous pretty much

[@groundtrader173]

They're using Tupac to get media attention, nothing else. They know by dissing Tupac will get media attention.

[@troublesome9622]

Thank you very much, could not have said it better.

[@theghostofbabylane7630]

caleb gonya hats off to my killer. I had a good run

[@TheShadow84]

Y'all trying to chase a ghost of a dead 25 year old, let it sink in. Pac is a GOAT.

[@shawnwieber2564]

He shot a cop ,took 5 and smiled. Prison. I had a 3000 page Report with a CIA and beat up Hughes brothers but he ain't gangster

[@jrgarza1964]

kids today Don't like Pac music because they can't relate to The Thug Life, they can't relate to it.. they're not about that Life.. and that is the Truth.

[@the_gratefulgamer]

JR Black Well said

[@yourightfosho8879]

JR Black Not true Scarface was even better the pac PAC was over rated

[@creatrixZBD]

^this - you can't enforce relevance.

[@mikenaugz88]

What do u think thug life means?

[@sohimashah5098]

A lot of then don’t care about the message on top of not relating. If they can’t relate then it becomes about the technicality of the bars, which they don’t even understand until an OG explains them on a reaction channel. Or they like stuff that sounds “wavy”. Gotta feel messages in music to appreciate PAC!

[@Biyonzo]

ok, im from germany the whole fucking world knows 2pac. and i NEVER heard of these kids NEVER clear enough what im trying to say? xD

[@davionbanks883]

Thank you you closed the case they don't know nothing

[@deerharvester7355]

That was a perfect comment! Thank you. I think these kids are just talking shit about pac just to get recognition

[@UrbanLegend2k11]

It's just publicity, they're trolling. Most new artists music is wack, this is how they get attention. I see a lot of lashing out, like teenagers. (I'm 23 btw).

[@Hikmah1995]

UrbanLegend2k11 You're right bro.

[@tevbuff]

Exactly its just for controversy.

[@justinhughes619]

Big L RIP

[@jaleelthompson927]

Xassan Daxir 23 too and co-sign this statement

[@cicelysterling5679]

UrbanLegend2k11 facts and that's sad that they can't rely on their own talent because they don't have talent!!!

[@btcmewzik9613]

"Niggaz talk shit, but that’s after I’m gone. ‘Cause they fear me in a physical form" Troublesome96 by 2Pac

[@DaFiveMusketeers]

2prophet

[@Roonz]

Bereek Tha Capricorn ameen fuck this pill popping pretend rappers

[@hiphoprepresentatives2936]

You either like him or not, you have to respect Tupac's legacy and his contribution to the Hip Hop industry and community. Period

[@sicelonene6319]

I agree with you

[@MindGamesOG]

Too much disrespect for one of the greats 😔

[@MindGamesOG]

King Savage Well it’s a big relief that your opinion doesn’t matter 😊

[@nikolai9878]

King Savage who the fook is this guy?

[@chadwic1]

Makaveli ThaDon A fuckin idiot if you ask me. Who disrespects the dead. Only a fuckin loser who hides behind a keyboard. He can dream of getting shot at and still wind up pissing on himself.

[@nikolai9878]

Chadwick Ben real talk Bro they should never disrespect a legend when they know fuck all about Pac and his struggles none of them could walk a mile in his shoes

[@stfutrolls9098]

King Savage you are a disappointed to dbz

[@DylD20]

We can't blame the fact that they are young. I'm 17, white as shit and from Canada. I don't personally listen to Tupac's music, since it's not my style as I like a more vibe-y type of rap. The thing is, even if I'm young and don't really like his music, I have nothing but respect for Pac and the thing he has accomplished. He's a pillar of hip-hop, and when coming into the genre, you can't disrespect a legend by saying he's boring and that he has no clout EVEN if you don't like his music. Lil Xan deserves what people tell him for what he said in that interview, this only shows he's coming into hip-hop for the $$$ and that he doesn't give a fuck about the culture. Lmao Pac got shot like 4 times at the quad studio and the man pulled up in court in a wheelchair HOURS after that.

[@chicagos.pop.princess]

Dyl D FACTS THO👆

[@lakishalaster5584]

Okay I’m young I’m 25 that’s not an excuse at all

[@bobstone7451]

I'm 16 and I love pac' s music he's a legend

[@whatdoyoumeanbro4964]

I'm 14

[@vwonder7579]

Salute you sir

[@Adonis20529]

2pac is the greatest rap ARTIST of all time. ART lasts and it's priceless. Rappers dissing him will only last 15 minutes. You will still hear Dear momma and changes years from now but not Gucci gang.

[@DoubleRRslimm]

WE NEED MORE TUPAC

[@Thespeedrap]

Look out for my music all these mumble punks better be scared

[@EstiloInAction]

"What more could I say, I wouldn't be here today If the old school didn't pave the way" Respect

[@whizkid00000]

Cause he set the standard that these young trash rappers cant reach. Never sold out, genuine, a real thug, and speaks from his heart and soul.

[@MichaelSmith-ti6qc]

Thats how you know pac was really great they still hateing on him over 20years he’s gone

[@cicelysterling5679]

I'm so disheartened by all this hate! It makes me sick because Tupac is legendary... You don't have to like it to respect it!! It is just pure jealousy because no one will be talking about lil xan or greedo over 20 yrs later... Get over it he is a legend and no one will be able to take his place!!

[@cicelysterling5679]

Damian FatLipp PorchmonkeyXO you sound like a lunatic lol haha really?? Dude get yourself checked out because you need medication.. Straight up.

[@barreldreamz7852]

Damian FatLipp PorchmonkeyXO You are just one of those people who's opinion holds zero weight because you don't know what the fuck your talking about

[@sasukekuniski1959]

look at their name. typical racist troll

[@btcmewzik9613]

"Niggaz talk shit, but that’s after I’m gone. ‘Cause they fear me in a physical form" Troublesome96 by 2Pac

[@greaterthansolomon-vv4ho]

fear him yet shot him twice

[@Nrowi]

I’m 16 and I love Tupac he inspires me more then these new shitty rappers. I use to say fuck Tupac just because I was listening to the new style of music but when I decided to really go back and listen to what Tupac had to say it really made me change my mind. Tupac really is a legend and my new generation should take a few lessons on how to spit because it’s garbage compared to anybody during the 90s. It’s not the old heads fault or anybody’s, just ignorance and lack of knowledge. Then again these new rappers be selling they souls (Lil Uzi Vert) so they can’t relate to Pac. The rappers now make songs for the party but Pac made songs for the mind and soul.

[@jtheman4678]

RIKIRICARDOOO very well said man, your wise amoug your years.

[@burnedbysound9827]

tell it....this new era of rap is damp garbage.

[@raulrodriguez5073]

Selling their souls? What do u think Tupac did for Suge ? Not every rapper owes or was inspired by Tupac...nd a negative legacy is nothing to be proud of

[@DJSkandalous]

you should check out his unreleased and his original versions. the originals are far better then the remixes they released. You may learn more too because they removed a lot of vocals from the majority of the mixes.

[@francoanthoney1993]

I'm twenty-four and that's exactly how I bring my cousins up. Classic artist like Pac, bone, NWA, westside connect, rick the ruler and other legends

[@dreskee8422]

This is crazy….but most of the rappers of todays youth will always be just rappers and they will not ascend to an emcee level. They don’t enunciate, and they aren’t thought provoking. 2Pac still has energy conveyed in his music….his catalog during its mid to latter stages is timeless especially “All Eyes on me”😎

[@saultreglown1025]

pac was a legendd

[@rasheedcole-pugh4860]

I'm 17 and I love 2Pac he had more an influence on me than biggie.

[@Thespeedrap]

Good for you

[@Qocaine]

The thing that tends to get overlooked in this situation is the fact that Tupac was an actual human being who is now DEAD. When in society has it become acceptable to speak ill of the dead? Critique their music, okay. Art is subjective. Denigrating a dead man is not acceptable.

[@lakishalaster5584]

Facts

[@greaterthansolomon-vv4ho]

you’re not suppose to worship the dead. you wouldn’t care if someone dissed jesus

[@GetRIGHT24452]

It has nothing to do with dead worshipping! Yes I go hard for Jesus first. For some little drugged out mumble rapping punk to speak on a Legend is disrespectful. This interview is old and PAC been gone almost 30 years. Still today I have no ideal who these guys are he's talking about but the world still knows and mentions PAC as the Goat. ​@@greaterthansolomon-vv4ho

[@thiccboi4228]

I'm 12 years old and even I know 2Pac is one of the Greatest Of All Time.

[@Deuronius]

lol! I never ever even once heard, one MC back in the day disrespect an older MC not of their piers... You don't create your worth by stepping on people, it just proves how juvenile these kids are.

[@tracemusic777]

Etascope the principle or value of respecting your elders and the one who’ve come before is slowly disintegrating in all aspects of society. Before in Hip Hop the value was a cornerstone with guys like KRS ONE shouting out Kool Herc, Bambaataa, etc.. on tracks. And then guys like Nas doing the same. Even collabin’ with them to show respect like Nas did with G Rap on “Fast Life”. It’s just the sign of the times in general.

[@uurkisme]

nailed it.. the kids these days just dont have respect for anyone in general.. they are entitled pieces of shit.

[@johnc.2683]

But he did by disrespecting West Coast rappers i.e. the "legends" we know them as today, even insinuating killing some of them in many of his songs. Face it, Tupac created this mass community of demonic rap you have today.

[@srr9930]

I wish y'all would have brought up the fact that he gave Beethoven a 8 or 9 on the clout meter meaning he don't care what's old bc Beethoven old as shit he just wanted to disrespect pac.

[@bruceleeds7988]

mmm I didn't catch that, to be honest that's a white thing. he knew that he would lose the audience that is putting money in his pocket by disrespecting a legend that means a lot to them and their lineage. But not feeling the same way about a Hip Hop Legend show the Culture Vulture is in his Bloodstream whether he knows it or not

[@bruceleeds7988]

Afronymous but they would get put in their place real quick "Beethoven? you Buggin" and it would be undebatable "Excuse Me? Eric Clapton is a MASTER" you know how white people get when they defend their legends? They made Donald trump President, that's how strong white people defend their legends

[@bruceleeds7988]

Afronymous LOOK at ALPHA's response. See what I mean? they don't even feel the need to explain it IT JUST IS!!!

[@srr9930]

Afronymous in todays music? Influential is a stretch

[@sanantoballa4834]

ALPHA That ain't the point. You think Lil Xan thinks Beethoven is entertaining? He was definitely tryna be disrespectful.

[@andybrisman3330]

I think the youngstas hate on pac cuz everyone in the comments of their vids is like "if pac was alive ud be workin in mcdonalds". lmao id hate the dude too if everyone kept tellin me how much better pac was than me. pac still the best tho lol

[@andybrisman3330]

all im tryna say is i can see y a mumble rapper wouldnt like tupac. tupacs still better than them but i see why they dont like him

[@mr.nobody9697]

Simple answer to this. Pac is grown folk music. Its the same reason why in my teens and early 20s i thought Bob Marley was wack. In my 30s i understood his music because had life experience and could relate.

[@ayandatoto1455]

This just show pac was a legend

[@theDeathmaker8]

Pac was 17 in that interview, didn't 'sound gay' at all, he was laying down his panther foundation and talking about society and the U.S' alements. Please stop wasting all our time covering these ignorant opinions, i couldn't care less about how they feel about any member of the Shakur family or anyone connected to Tupac at all. Rest in power Afeni, Rest in power Tupac, and again, as a genuine Hip Hop dude, please stop giving fools air time if they havn't proven they deserve to breathe. Peace n luvv

[@regirayquaza]

If you don't watch it, they won't make it. Don't click on the next video like this.

[@AbdulB]

Yeah. What he said.

[@paulsheppard7635]

hey y'all remember the story when Tupac was in Atlanta and he saw his brother getting beat up by police he stepped out and came to the brothers defense give me shoot two cops.

[@koso4292]

It's pretty obvious​ why and there's only one answer: Tupacs name = attention. Anytime you diss a GOAT it will stir up controversy and argument in turn bringing attention to their pathetic careers.

[@ramonhernandez3812]

Lil so called rappers are diss pac just for attention. Plain and simple. The man had over 70million albums sold. Movies, and kisses janet damn lovely janet.

[@pablorodrigues4143]

When I stop to think about it and I think these young rappers do it because of the frustration of knowing that a guy who died in '96 had, has and will have a more relevant career than they will ever have. Tupac is a reference of rap, a ghost that will always haunt these young scared kids and the fact that he's not here to answer helps a lot.

[@TheJinjo75]

22 years after his death Tupac is still the hottest Rapper in the world. His legacy is cemented and nothing will change that. And just like all the icons before him (Elvis, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, the Beatles, etc..) that at one point were considered outdated by the kids, Pacs music will come around again and become one of those timeless artists.

[@gambitwilson8623]

4:13 “I got shot five times and I’m still breathing. Living proof there’s a God if you need a reason.” - 2Pac

[@fifg9905]

Gambit Wilson One slug hit the hand Two grazed his head And another hit his leg

[@fifg9905]

DICK LONG Yeah he shot himself trying to buck Haitian jack and then got wet up Point is it wasn't a set up it was a robbery that biggie had nothing to do with Due to his foolishness he got the both of them killed He should not be championed

[@ddg5420]

He opened doors for future rappers. Think of all the political drama he had to go through to keep rapping. Kids have it easy now...smh appreciate!

[@jeffm6651]

Doesn't matter if he was from Moses times. That's like a patriot dissing George Washington.

[@ODDiSEE_]

Because at the same age, Pac's music was actually good and had substance.

[@fifg9905]

Alan Ricks He sometimes rapped about social issues. Let's all kiss his ass for the next 20 years.

[@ODDiSEE_]

Fif G you must be 14.

[@bruceleeds7988]

Fif G he also made a Music Video that was borderline porn, very fucking borderline. But even Pacs rachetness was done better than these new niggas, do your research. How Do You want it Uncut (you're welcome)

[@boxer_junior7962]

Alan Ricks an age that spoke clearly when creating music. Music where you can actually hear the words and unlike the mumble rap every highschooler and fuckboy likes

[@marcusdarlin4264]

I wouldn't say great..... but pac did have some good songs.....and most are just plane mediocre

[@jah3415]

no jamaican says that about bob marley. dead since the early 80s. weird

[@_zolik]

jahthaime smith that would be career suicide lol idk how it's not by dissing pac

[@L1am21]

because dissing is sadly part of the hip-hop culture.

[@mr.raslyon6626]

Facts! You'll get a gun pulled on you if you try. Same with 2Pac too....plenty of hoods where dissing Pac will catch you a fade...

[@mr.raslyon6626]

No. Dissing dead legends was NOT a part of hip hop. If Pac was alive and a young cannon came for him then YES, that's Hip Hop. See Nelly v KRS-ONE or Canibus V LL Cool J.

[@matiasmatijasic7863]

It's funny how these new rapper's diss 2pac and then start falling off

[@TheInternetIsDeadToMe]

2pac is such an artistic monolith in hip hop culture. Youth culture has always pushed against what came before. It’s usually part of marking their own territory. It’s just tribal. A lot of these comments seem over the top, but it’s just young rappers trying to be controversial to get a reaction. I remember 2pac doing exactly the same thing. 2pacs popularity speaks for itself. I’m not the biggest fan, but I can see how important he was to hip hop.

[@Life_moreabundantly]

RUDE JUDE. GOD BLESS YOU BRUH. LOVE THE SHOW! DAMN. Oakland CA. Independent Rapper. 28 Yrs Old. Big 2Pac Fan& Company Man/ Rude Jude Show Fan!!

[@joseortega7815]

Tay Off The Top I stay out in Oakland too. Been writing since I was a teen. Where can I hear your work?

[@historianofmanythings4294]

Homosexual activity😂😂

[@gjelbrim7281]

LMAO FUCKING FACTS

[@garylafleur744]

Yea i said it 😂 😂

[@LeanieSigel]

Yer Nan 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tod-sc4lm]

That caller was so damn funny and real😂😂

[@kevinkoval8660]

I’m dyin😂💀

[@SuperCherese]

PAC was a Gemini which equal female/ male twins so you saw the feminine and masculine all in one with PAC, same with Prince. Gemini traits

[@chrisedwards3214]

Every album pac made was classic and will be discussed for generations

[@azrael80304]

Everyone talking shit on pac are no names who sounds like every other Mumble rapper with Lil in their name that came before them and wish they were as big as Pac. even with the help of social media and going viral, no one knows who they are until they started trolling talking shit on pac to get a couple more minutes of fame. That's why they don't go after Legends who are still alive because they have a chance of getting their career ended before it even begins. Pac's personality, style and swag got him famous without Twitter, without Facebook and a lot of these Mumble rappers were born at the height of the social media shit and still nobody knows their name so you can't hate the little young bucks for trying.

[@azrael80304]

T. Stamp I've never heard of any of the people that they're talking about in this video let alone give a fuck that they said shit about Tupac. The only time I ever hear about Mumble rappers like that is if they do something the majority of old heads disagree with like talk shit on Tupac or say they're the greatest rapper of all time blah blah blah and then I never hear of them again they're just a flash-in-the-pan. Tupac has been dead for how long now and people still bumping his shit and calling him the goat. I'll tell you what in 5 years if little Tylenol and little pistol starter are still around then we can talk about what they contributed to hip hop in that small amount of time and see if they're accolades can come close. Until then Tupac's Legacy and claim to the crown has been cemented and no amount of shit talking by unknown Mumble rappers will change that no matter how many likes or retweets they get on Instagram or whatever and that's the reason why they hate on em.

[@azrael80304]

T. Stamp Lmao Lil yachty I heard of here and there the other kid never until this video. if this is your kind of music though that's good for you I'm not judging. just the people in my circles we don't fuck with Mumble rap like that. And like I said the only reason why I'm hearing about him now is because he said something "edgy" that's getting people all riled up. I'm not hearing about him because everyone saying he has skill, I'm not hearing about him because he's the next big thing. I'm hearing about him because he said something stupid and that's about it. And that's the thing about a lot of these new artists. it's easier to do or say something "edgy" and go viral and be known for a couple seconds then to do what pac did and with skill and be known for a long amount of time. you see what I'm getting at? so I'm not going to get mad at someone who's not going to be around the next year or two. let him have his little 10 minutes of fame and Fade Out Into Obscurity just like the rest and a couple months from now we'll be talking about the next flash in the pan that said they're better than Pac.

[@Cuauhtemoc3]

azrael80304 same here im being honest. I never even heard of lil zan or yachty and all these wack ass rappers.

[@azrael80304]

T. Stamp I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that's why I'm hearing about them. right now any publicity is good publicity right. And as much as they're saying on this video they hate these type of rappers they are also personally responsible for them sticking around as long as they do because they keep "feeding the trolls" It's just like Rude Jude said whenever someone says something stupid you should pay him no mind and keep it moving but no, they jump right on it. why? because it gets clicks, it gets views, and it's entertaining to see people hate on them. People just love that mob mentality in comments sections like this and it wouldn't be as entertaining if we all agreed on the same thing right hence why they keep feeding trolls and keeping them in the spotlight.

[@azrael80304]

T. Stamp And that my friend was a civilized debate we just had, a very rare thing that happened on the internet let alone in a comment section lol

[@curtiscryer8777]

Pac the greatest ever...lyrically ! What 50 did to ja rule... pac did it to the whole dam industry..nobody eating when he was alive . Jay was out with no clout , and notorious only did it big when pac was doing a bid. Came out and got it back so hard even snoop was sidetrack . Facts!

[@WillDSwish]

Curtis Cryer he’s great but not the lyrical best 50 cent, rakim, biggie, Eminem, lil Wayne, Andre 3000 are lyrical better but pacs music is greater and has a better positive message than theres

[@gabreshaa8234]

No he wasn't. It doesn't matter what you think he stands for as a person. As a rapper he just is mediocre even for that time.

[@curtiscryer8777]

Gabreshaa he's is the most bitten , most copy , most imitated, most hated , got colleges that teaches his lyrics and poetry like his Shakespeare biggie ready to die is basically me against the world part 2 . Biggie was rapping party and gangster shit stole his style, wore his stuck up jewelry, find me one mf that got a biggie tattoo on em that don't know him personally. Nobody outsold him besides em, nobody went #1 world wide while in prison. Nobody gave a fuck about his ppl more than pac...pac shot a two white cops unknowingly for a brother he didn't know. Tried to get rappers to put a voter registration card on every CD insert, tried to start a political party, tried to get a one nation world wide hiphop movement, had the vice president of the united States on his ass ,the courts on his ass to be convicted of a crime they said he was around but didn't do but was there but ain't nobody else get convicted then for ppl to claim piggy was better who got his stuck up jewelry on who pattern his album after pac ready 2 die when pac always rap about death, fact was nobody was eating who do was hot . Thats why Snoop jealous ass keep hanging with puff after pac snap on dre and the east coast for setting him up, shooting at the dog pound cuz snoop to biggie they doing a video in ny dissing them ,biggie got on the radio to ppl to get at em and snoop bitch ass still said he got love for them. Mediocre my ass nobody stood up and expose the game or had one of the worst dis tract ever recorded that biggie tried to pay ppl to kill pac for that but he's lyrically better .his best rap he's talking about a money green leather sofa, who shot ya pac in jail, long kiss good night pac dead , dude garbage and everything he stand for .

[@DNAsGhostzHouze]

You're not wrong, but you greatly oversimplified things.

[@ganjatheninja]

biggie was lyrically better and had a better flow style than pac but pac had a better message

[@noellozano2081]

because they lack that which is present in every 2pac track ever produced.....heart

[@parkerzielinski6724]

He dead and they still terrified he gonna beat they azz

[@WilkyWay3000]

Easy to throw shots at a dead man. Rarely you see these young rappers go against living legends. You'll hear them praise the likes of jay z and eminem cause they know they can't stand a chance head to head with them. Go against a dead legend, get the publicity with the added benefit of said artist not making a response.

[@riddlerguy4599]

Right They Never Call Out Eminem Who I'm Shocked Is So Respected In Hip Hop And Most Of His Earlier Songs He Dissed His Damn Mama And Baby Mama And Also They Never Call Out Jay-Z Who 2 This Day I'm Shocked Is So Feared In Hip Hop And They Never Speak On Ice Cube(Maybe Cause His Son Would Go After Them). But These Mumble "Lil" Rappers Should Be Banned 4rm Rap Music Doing This.

[@juandominguez6228]

Facts!!!

[@paulsheppard7635]

too true and nobody said s*** about Redman Method Man Wu-Tang Clan nobody that still breathing why not. you see what happened when Cypress Hill tried to combat Ice Cube . what he do he dropped at King of the Hill. and then when NWA and Ice Cube had beef after he left ruthless records what he what he dropped no Vaseline. these wack ass rappers can't fuk with our generation. this s*** got me thinking I'm a bump that shame on a niggga by Wu-Tang Clan.

[@junkape]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@whatdoyoumeanbro4964]

@@riddlerguy4599 Actually, alot of rappers have dissed eminem lol. NF, Token, Lil Pump, MGK and more

[@sneakereffect9346]

Why don’t they dis living legends why they talk shit about legends that gone?

[@sneakereffect9346]

20:40 exactly my point

[@Cuauhtemoc3]

sneakereffect because they know that theirs consequences and they will speak up. 2pac is dead and sadly can't respond. So us the fans have to respond back voice our opinions.

[@noviedeos]

cuz Tupac is the face of 90s rap and they’re salty of being compared to them You’ll notice Biggie and ODB are dead and don’t get hate

[@ricardomarques5639]

well lonzo ball went at nas not to long ago

[@cbchansey6866]

Irk that's cause Pac is way bigger than those 2. Everyone knows who 2pac is. He's a legend, that has transcended hip hop popularity. Only people who listen to rap or were born in the 80s will really know about BIG.

[@sicelonene6319]

The fact that people still talk about Tupac says a lot. That on its own is impact

[@cosmicsovereign9429]

They dislike him for one reason, and one reason alone, and that is his frequency, which doesn't match their low vibrations and that's a fact, these fools are lost.

[@docrussojr]

There's two types of artist: *TYPE 1-* Artist who stumbled into a genre. In it just for a paycheck and five minutes of fame. Fans are as loyal as their last hit song. *TYPE 2-* Those who are influenced by another artist and art form. In it to inspire others, and express what others sometimes can't. This type develops a loyal fanbase, and generally lasts longer.

[@RY-it3de]

It's because Pac is single handedly the most revered figure in hip-hop history, moreso than any other rapper, and is basically somewhat of a Messiah. It's hard to live up to that expectation if you're visiting his music for the first time

[@KingSteve2003]

i feel like if pac was alive he would say "hehehe, who went 5x platinum? and who had a hit record while in prision?"

[@macoru1386]

Macdonald from Nigeria GOD bless you people's for good work. GOD bless pac 2pac 4life

[@watchyanuggets]

Pac was an artist, pure and simple. You can argue about his street cred, his lyrical ability, his sexuality, his message, but you can never argue that he wasn't an artist. If you listen to his whole catalog, no matter if you're black, white, brown, yellow, red, blue, green or purple you'll find something that you connect with. Wether its a song about the struggles of growing up in poverty, or a song about partying, Pac was able to reach people and connect with them, and that is what makes him great. One could argue that 2Pac died because being the powerful artist he was, he couldn't help but try to make his art imitate his life, and his life imitate his art.

[@bigchew20]

He braught people together with no Discrimination and One the only one did Song About his Moma.So many Avenues.2Pac Legend.

[@raulrodriguez5073]

big chew wtf are u serious ? His legacy as well as the other idiot is the fact still today dumbasses are killing themselves over lyrics!!

[@NamesZKP]

Raul Rodriguez Who kills themselves over lyrics? Suicide is rampant but not due to song lyrics.

[@raulrodriguez5073]

ZKP are you not seeing how many rappers have been killed over their so called dis songs? Nevermind..looks like im gonna go in circles..

[@NamesZKP]

Raul Rodriguez Nope, music is not a casuational factor in people dying. The causational factor is the person that decided to take their life. I've had beef with others. We've exchanged our tone. Neither me nor them is dead. That's because we chose not to kill each other. It's called mutuality. So stop with the bullshit correlations and causational fallacy.

[@raulrodriguez5073]

ZKP guess u cant ask Tupac or biggie can u?

[@rhysirvine7776]

Pac isnt just loved by old heads, im only 17 and i love 2pac and appreciate the rap culture from the 80's 90's up to now. LIl Yachty, xan and all these other new rappers are whack

[@aidanking7401]

I’m 14 and I respect Tupac and normally listen to his music everyday

[@rob879]

Aidan King I'm 13 and I only listen to Tupac. Do better.

[@RandomCloud1]

You are... amazing prodigy. You are unlike all the other girls, clearly.

[@aidanking7401]

RandomCloud1 wtf are u on about

[@jaycee598]

robert f I am 11 and listen to Pac. Do better lol

[@grunkbunkle]

good for you?

[@dylanvickers7953]

To me, it’s always been pretty obvious that people go after Pac cause he’s dead. These kids wouldn’t step a toe over the line on Jay-Z or Eminem because they are still around and If you start smoke with them they can still come down and crush their little career. They go after Pac because it’s an easy way to get attention with very little repercussions. If Pac was still around they’d talk down on Biggie, it’s a big target that can’t fight back and that’s all they’re looking for.

[@dylanvickers7953]

Bruh that first Caller was on it.

[@fifg9905]

Atticus Lee People diss pac because he dissed everybody What you throw gets thrown right back at you dead or alive

[@gauravnambiar2509]

Atticus Lee True. And most of these new guys don't even write their own shit. They go after Jayz, Nas or Eminem they'll get smoked. Rap battles against these legends........ they won't stand a chance. These are just attention seeking methods. Even they know, their music sucks and they can't be revelant for a longer time. Great artists support and respect art. Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Chance the Rapper the won't say anything like this. That's why they are great.

[@lordreyna6924]

This needs more likes

[@funnyfunkinmonkey]

How the fuck can you not like Tupac? Such positive/tough music. Love it.

[@arthurwood5405]

Same reason that people hate on the Beatles. Hipsters are always going to hate on the top dogs. Funny thing is, none of these chumps will ever touch Tupac or even be relevant in 2 to 5 years. So it really doesn’t matter what they think.

[@South_Central_Southsea]

Would they be around if tupac was still alive? Haaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill no!

[@dennischristopher9879]

You can take the 10 best instrumentals out right now and put 2Pac acapellas over them and the songs would be better. Lil Wayne has birthed most of these new rappers and he respected Pac's body of work, so they fuck with Wayne but not his influences?

[@fifg9905]

Dennis Christopher You can take the ten best instrumentals rn and put any 90's rapper and it would sound better. Tf you talking bout.

[@ognavej]

Dennis Christopher i agree with lil Wayne they grow up listening to him... that y everyone is on drugs

[@DylD20]

Yooo you listened to that Pac on the Xo tour life beat

[@jdproductions_7967]

I'm pretty young and Tupac is one of my favourite rappers.

[@sdjosh9081]

Seriously somebody ask these young fools (on video) about Ice Cube. Snoop. Nas. I want one of these legends come out with a new diss track and make these new kids pee their pants.

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

Ehhhhh. SOME of these kids hate PAC. But most or all the top hip hop artist currently and coming up are greatly influenced by him and have a great reverence for PAC. It's just a disconnect. Kids "hate" PAC for the same reason they hate Jordan. I blame the older generation and the ignorance of youth. It's not really their fault.

[@ernestowilliams9124]

Darrel Be I'm Lil Pump's age... There is no excuse. People are lazy to go back and explore

[@jayduecesjaydueces1148]

Ernesto Williams Exactly

[@sheresejames-grow1779]

Darrel Be I was going to say something similar. These young people today have no scope of anything outside their circle and 2 years back. That's why the intelligence level is dropping as we see thru today's lyrics. And I do think it's the fault of the older generation right before them. Whoever is raising them obviously taught them nothing about life. So here comes somebody with a cellphone, KZbin exposure, and a label ready to sucker them and these kids stay getting clowned. When you know nothing, you get suckered easily. But KZbin doesn't rank on intelligence or quality....it's just views. The labels see views. And the more views can get more access to dollars to sucker people. But as we see, they're not building no empires or legacy. These new artists barely building tents in their backyards. None of it lasts. So it is their ignorance and the older generation fault that's raising them. Now, with that being said, Drake's lyrics suck. God's Plan is so elementary and light weight like I'm hungry in 2 hours right after eating McDonald's. But Drake was/is smart....he's built some sort of legacy doing what he does with the acting and philanthropy included. But these little boy and little girl rappers will be forgotten about.

[@bruceleeds7988]

In the age of the Internet, where everything is pretty much a click away, Absolute ignorance is inexcusable. When all you have to say to yourself is "lemme go on Spotify and check a Pac playlist and formulate an opinion" cause that is the word people like to throw around these days "opinion", it really is the youth's fault.

[@keontaewilliams5197]

Wish people would accept the fact that not everyone cares about Tupac.... Like niggas legit get upset if you don’t listen to them. Just like they got mad when Lil Yachty said he couldn’t name 5 Pac songs lol. You won’t find this type of thing in any other genre.

[@DarkshadowXD63]

Honestly these dudes saying this shit cause he is dead you don't see any other legends being attacked. It's a attention seeking thing in my eyes. I mean if you look at people like Nas or Snoop ( Granted Snoop has got some flak recently) and a bunch of OGs in rap. They don't get as much flak imo because they stay active in rap and place a helping hand in their community and help out their hood. I mean look at Warren G this dude has a week dedicated to him in Long Beach. Seriously if you hating on a dude who is helping you and your friends and family then that's on you. I'm positive Pac would be helping his community if he wasn't killed but that's life.

[@swampthing94]

These wack ass rappers will never diss Nas. They fear the Ether

[@darkservantofheaven]

he did have plans to help his community, unfortunately he was taken from the scene. Hell, even Lil Jon his doing things for others as is pitbull. Its one thing to take shots as legends, its another thing take shots at legends who arent here to retaliate. You take shots at legends who are alive, you face consequences. Whatever happens, you either win or you disappear. YOu take shots at legends who are gone, you lose credibility with many in the community.

[@fifg9905]

DarkshadowXD63 Tupac dissed stretch right after he DIED. Anybody can get it fam.

[@DMD81773]

You dont see them dissing ice cube. Cube will no vaseline their asses.

[@globalrei]

lil whoooooooooooooooooo no one can touch pacccccccccccccccccccccc no oneeeeeee

[@DrinkLords12XU]

They hate because they could never be close to his caliber. The realest. Ruff rugged and raw.

[@bamnjphoto]

Joey Badass would be a average 90's rapper. There were better technical rappers back during Pac's time but content and delivery were not on par.

[@jNdeeeeee]

B Money that's just hating. The only rapper in the 90's that Joey can't touch in terms of technical ability and content is Nas, Andre and perhaps Redman. Joey is a better lyricist than Pac, no disrespect on Pac, and he has better overall content than Biggie, again no disrespect to Biggie. I mean no disrespect to the greats, but stop discrediting Joey. He is phenomenal, and would have definitely made a buzz for himself in the 90s. He's not touching Biggie's or Pac's legacy overall, but in point by point comparison, it won't be surprising to see that Joey is actually better in some aspects of rapping.

[@bruceleeds7988]

Good Point, we are having to make do with "decent" rappers as far as lyricism is concerned. Kendrick being the only new rapper worthy of GOAT talk is not a good look for todays Hip Hop

[@bruceleeds7988]

Jandee Cadona not true Joey cant top Scarface, Busta, Eminem, Andre 3000, he is not as charismatic as Snoop on the mic, Cee Lo Green was a beast, you didn't mention anyone in the Wu, Mobb Deep, Kurupt, Lauryn Hill, Queen Latifah, man this is almost too easy, I feel bad for you

[@jNdeeeeee]

Bruce Leeds who's saying Joey is better than them? The problem with you old heads is you think that everybody is comparing them to the greats. You out here trying to compare the strongest substance of each rapper then try to compare them to Joey. Do you know how dumb that sounds? Stop living off nostalgia. Nobody is saying that Joey is better than them, all Im saying is Joey is phenomenal in his own rights. Am I wrong when I said that Joey is better technical rapper than Pac? Am I wrong when I said that Joey had better content than Biggie?

[@jNdeeeeee]

Let me tell you how dumb your argument is. Who on that list has a better catalogue than Kanye? The answer is none. Does that mean Kanye is a better rapper than them? Hell no. You're trying to compare to one out the strongest upsides of multiple artists then try to compare them one by one to Joey's. Lol Be salty all you want, the thing is Joey has already shown enough talent to make it through the golden era. Not beat everyone, but to make it through.