Why do vitamin E requirements stay elevated for four years when we stop eating PUFA?

[@TumbleSensei]

Please interview Ray Peat someday 🙏

[@ahoypolloi2980]

💯 👍🏻

[@Mielina1390]

Am I wrong or was the saturation of membranes including cardiolipin one of Ray Peat's goals? I think I saw a product based on saturated phosphatidylcholine.

[@relaxgood512]

Keeping PUFA levels at a good level by eating whole foods rather than oils is the way to go. Nuts, seeds, avocados and fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes at lower levels.

[@metaorange302]

Nah! Raw cod liver oil, 100% grass-fed ruminant meats & diary and pastured other meats and wild-caught low mercury fishes and other seafood and then maybe some chia & flax seeds, and walnuts, etc. Always “overdo” your omega-3 ratio to be on the cautious side!

[@WohaliTheOneandOnly]

@@metaorange302 Cod liver oil is full of pufas. So are nuts and seeds.

[@PatrickRyan147]

Thanks for this info 👍

[@ab78001]

Chris, I'd love to hear your take on Dr. Barrie Tan's research with annatto seed indicating that it's not tocopherols that we need but tocotrienols. Apparently, alpha-tocopherol is even associated with increased heart disease and decrease longevity. Chris Kesser has a video talking about that as well. What are your thoughts? Thank you!

[@chrismasterjohn]

The way you have phrases this is impossible to reconcile to the physiology where our body clearly and irrefutably seeks to concentrate alpha-tocopherol at the expense of all other forms. But yes the doses in supplements are insanely high and too much alpha washes out the other forms.

[@ab78001]

@@chrismasterjohn Yes, you're right. I misquoted Dr. Tan. You are both in agreement that alpha tocopherol in excess inhibits the effects of tocotrienols. He also cites studies showing that alpha tocopherol in excess of even 50 mg or so is actually damaging in many ways, whereas the tocotrienol version in high doses is therapeutic and rapidly absorbed by the various organs and tissues in the body in the absence of tocopherol. I'm trying to decide if I should go ahead and try his Annatto E. His view is that we don't need any more tocopherols than what we already get from our diet because our body recycles it. This is all I'm remembering from having listened to this interview at 1.5 x normal speed. At the 24 minute mark they start talking in depth about tocopherola vs tocotrienols in case you are interested. Was curious to know if you concur with him about the benefits of taking high dose tocotrienols derived from annatto while limiting tocopherol intake to RDA levels. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGeVo3dpiKZksMk

[@meggi8048]

could it be that alpha-Tocopherol is a endproduct of other tocopherols/tocotrienols and thats where it always endsup , so thats why it could be excessive?@@chrismasterjohn

[@relluic]

​@@chrismasterjohn I think the body is treating alpha-tocopherol the same as sugar. Why does the body burn the sugar first? Because it has to or it'll create oxidation damage to the body. Maybe the alpha-tocopherol has some damaging property that forces the body to deal with it first.

[@r.guerreiro140]

And thanks for the balanced view of the oil industry

[@jbbbjj]

In addition to Ray Peat, can you interview Matt Blackburn?

[@jenniferlabrum2277]

Love his stuff but this one kind of confused me... so vitamin e is good to get pufas out of cells?? And how long should you supplement if so??

[@r.guerreiro140]

Pufas are naturally oxidizers, and when it happens to a group of them together, there may happen a oxidation chain reaction bad enough to break cell and mithocondrial walls The vitamin E is a the natural antioxidant fitted to stop this chain reaction capturing the electron of pufa molecule which is activated In a next step, it will be recycled donating the electron to a vit C, wich will do the same donating it to a glutathione What's said on the video is, when adipose tissue starts to raise it's level of pufa storage, will increase the level of vit E "sequestration" as well to avoid internal oxidation and thus, depleting the body with oxidative consequences on other tissues

[@jenniferlabrum2277]

@@r.guerreiro140 thank you! That helps a lot

[@jenniferlabrum2277]

@@r.guerreiro140 one more question... would you want to eat/supplement with more vitamin c too then?

[@r.guerreiro140]

@@jenniferlabrum2277 I use two or three grams a day, with the purpose of keeping the blood plasma leves at saturation level, and since I've found sound information that lymphocytes and neurons can hold 50 to 100 times more vitamin C in their own cytoplasm, to allow both kind of cells to reach those levels But I'm not a doctor, ok? 🙂

[@jenniferlabrum2277]

@@r.guerreiro140 thanks I appreciate it!

[@yivelihumekaa9523]

What's pufa?

[@chrismasterjohn]

Polyunsaturated fatty acids

[@jaym9846]

Are green leafy veggies good source of Vitamin E?

[@bobbydukes5407]

If any of them are, the vitamin E is unlikely going to be very useful unless eaten with fat as it’s a fat soluble vitamin.

[@RBimas37]

Is there a way to accelerate the process of getting PUFA's out of one's body??

[@jbbbjj]

Look up Ray Peat and Matt Blackburn

[@RBimas37]

@Pedro Hauari What's a good animal based source of vit e?

[@meggi8048]

everything which is out in the wild and eating grass. pasture raised eggs, products from cows who ate their whole life grass.@@RBimas37

[@metaorange302]

We don’t eat just one food item in our diets though, or at least I don’t! Annatto and palm fruits are great for vitamin E complex, no?

[@skiddyseven8929]

No it should be supplemented at least 100iu per day

[@r.guerreiro140]

Wouldn't be better to use a lipid profile test to determine when it's time to lower the vit E ingestion?

[@eddyyammine9136]

Makes sense, when your Omega 3 to ratio is close to 1:1

[@jaym9846]

Do LDLs transport saturated fats?

[@startupdna8582]

Dude, be more professional. Sorry but someone had to say it.

[@PoltysAlex]

Flowers do not get obese. We humans do. Maybe after 2 years you get obese and the number of PUFA in adipose is increasing without limit while vitamin E is consumed to protect something you do not actually need.

[@MrPerfume1979]

I had to recheck my values after this post. Cancer confirmed, post read.

[@bobbydukes5407]

If you can compare flowers to humans, you might as well compare grass to polar bears or banana trees to cats. The physiology of all of these life forms are completely different.

[@misterE-1989]

Spinach. Lots and lots of spinach for excess linoleic-acid syndrome.

[@anachronisticon]

But Oxalates?

[@misterE-1989]

@@anachronisticon Moot point.

[@healthnews2002]

Simply take vitamin e supplement smh

[@kjsaxon]

it really helped me on high fruit diet, no kidney stones either.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

Chris, what is your thesis statement? It would be better if you would simply state what you think is true and why. Then support with details. But please add a short answer in the beginning. Or tell what you think MIGHT be true in the beginning. Then tell why.

[@bleacherz7503]

Chris always seems unprepared