Why Electric cars will disappear within 10 years

Bold statement huh? I'm actually an EV owner, and have been on and off for many years. This is just the truth, it's all too complicated to explain! #ev #electrictruck #electriccar #electric #evs #driveelectric #future

[@JNoel1234]

What makes you think EVs will stay the same as they are today? Plus, EVs are already mainstream. The Tesla Model Y was the best selling car in the world in 2023. Issues with range and the effects of temperature are being rapidly addressed. LFP batteries are already a big improvement in terms of range loss in cold weather. Solid state batteries, like the upcoming one from Quantumscape, have little to no range loss in hot or cold temperatures along with better safety and faster charging. It's still early days in terms of charging infrastructure, but so were gas stations 100 years ago and I still don't have a gas pump at my house. Progress does not stop and EVs will become the clear winner in more and more use cases in a few short years.

[@kellygrant4964]

Car and Drivers reports that the Model Y was the 5th. Which can't be verified because Tesla refuses to report sales. Now with what looks like all but a for sure thing with Trump winning. He will end the EV mandates. The EPA has had its teeth pulled with the supreme court rulling against the Chevron Doctrine. I hate EVs for one simple reason. The governments forcing these thing down everybodies throats. They make sense for some people but not all. They are not the green promised land either. Let the consumers decide.

[@meatbyproducts]

It has fallen back to 4th place for the 2024 model year and no other EVs in the top 20.

[@JNoel1234]

Even nuclear fusion eventually made progress worth talking about. The Quantumscape battery is here now and is being tested by potential clients this year. There's a plan to roll out the batteries in small devices as soon as next year. Their new partnership with PowerCo could have EV size batteries in production by 2026-2027.

[@themanreview]

You may be correct, but solid state have been perpetually "almost there". Progress has mostly been slowed or halted outside of Tesla and BYD, which is why I think they may still be around.

[@timothykeith1367]

Unfortunately, the popular Model Y has terrible resale value. The person who drives a 2008 Crown Vic or an old Camry won't accept the risk that an EV loses nearly all of its value - and when it does require major service, that it's not worth repairing because only Tesla supports it. For me, a well maintained Yaris is a forever car that was fully depreciated when I bought it used and will go 500,000 miles with abundant sources of affordable parts - which are DIY installed. With the Yaris as a daily I can own a classic Squarebody Chevy or F150 that is mostly parked - so I don't care about the 12 mpg, and the 45-year old truck appreciates in value. The Yaris is incredibly reliable. Also, I can do most local trips on my bicycle so I only buy fuel every six weeks

[@g.richardson6883]

This assumes the technology never improves.

[@meatbyproducts]

Battery tech has a LONG ways to go to be reliable. Then you have the grid that is starting to struggle with single digit % of adaptation. We have to go full force into Nuclear power and need real leaps in battery tech.

[@sandorski56]

@@meatbyproducts No, they don't.

[@meatbyproducts]

@sandorski56 no they don't what? That is half of a comment and addresses nothing it typed.

[@sandorski56]

@@meatbyproducts Moot, everything you said is wrong.

[@meatbyproducts]

@sandorski56 really? California has rolling blackouts and have told people to NOT charge their cars and only about 6.8% of all cars are EVs. Tell me what else I got wrong? Oh nothing? All of my points are factual and you were just pulling crap out your ass because you're a moron?

[@owenjones1015]

In the first 2 minutes of the video you've basically explained that battery range has quadrupled in around a decade. That's saying nothing of charge speed, temperature management, battery lifespan etc. So is it not possible that we see further improvements a decade from now? Is it not possible that one day, charge speeds will be equivalent to filling up a tank of gas, and ranges will be up to 1000 miles? Because when that happens, what do ICE vehicles have over EV's?

[@berndborte8214]

It's not only possible, it already happened. We already have LFP batteries with 4-5C charging rate and prices rapidly approaching the 100 $/kWh mark, while a lot of countries managed to build a decent charging infrastructure. I don't really get the point of this video.

[@themanreview]

Battery size has also grown, as has weight. I didn't touch much on the tire wear issue but that is also one that is becoming more known. Yes though, if 1,000 mile range existed with 10 minute charge time most of this becomes moot. I dont' think we are there in ten years, or ever at the current pace.

[@Thebackson]

This is pretty bad, very click bait-ish and pretty exaggerated.

[@jason1656]

Dude last winter my model 3 was only getting 20 - 40 miles per charge

[@Thebackson]

@@jason1656 The statically speaking then you are in the bottom .00001%

[@jason1656]

@@Thebackson hahaha ok man, I was actually one of the lucky Tesla owners, my car actually charged. The Tesla station near my house was filled with dead EV's. It was all over the news. 🤣 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mauYapttlqaSq6csi=ieN5HvBxQMDvZ8Vl

[@stefakyou6103]

@@Thebackson Just pulling statistics out of your ass I see

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

@@Thebackson wow... you really love EVs😅

[@southerntesla]

You information is very old and based on a air cooled Leaf Battery pack. Current modern EVs all use cooling and heating technics to warm or cool the battery packs to help keep the range with in the stated limits. I have driven in 14 degree weather at highway speeds with zero extra range loss after the battery pack warmed up, which took about 5-10 miles. No US based Teslas have CCS ports, some allow for CCS Adapters but no all do. Tesla Superchargers average about .36 a kWh and not .50, some of the EVGOs and Chargepoint are higher, but that is the free market. I also only use the supercharger network for long trips which is about once month, I do travel a lot. Most of my miles are charged from my house at .06 a kWh. Ford is slow charging, but Tesla, Kia, and others have pretty fast charging, you just need to factor that in when you purchase the vehicle. I love the Ford Lightning but I will not buy because of the slow charging and large battery pack. Technology is changing fast and batteries are getting faster by the quarter. Also again, I only have the worry about that "SLOW" charging once a month, most of the time I charge at the house over night and I never have to make a rush to the gas station in the morning to gas up real quick. I also charge extra from my couch when storms come so that I always have juice. I can get extra gas from the couch.

[@HontasFarmer80]

He said he has a new EV that he uses. This isn't all based on that old leaf.

[@southerntesla]

Obviously you do not own an EV, because your lack of knowledge is stunning. I have not waited to charge in at least 2 years and I travel a lot. Tesla also will not automatically route you around busy Superchargers, because it knows in real time who is there, how long they have left to charge and who is heading to the supercharger. But let’s talk about time real quick. Lets say you take 15 minutes to fuel up once a week for work, includes getting off at the exit and driving to the fueling station, so that is around 50 times a year for 12.5 hours and if you are on vacation2 weeks out of the year and you have to fuel 6 times during that vacation time gives you 1.5 hours for a total of 14 hours during the year. 50 times out of the year I charge at home while I sleep so zero wasted time charging. The 2 weeks out of the year I will have to charge 8 times for let’s say 1 hour each time, which is not accurate but I will be nice to you. That is a total of 8 hours to your 14 hours. Batteries for the win.

[@southerntesla]

@@HontasFarmer80 The beginning statements based on hot and cold weather range loss is completely based on the Air Cooled Leaf Batteries.

[@themanreview]

The old leaf was a single reference point. I agree with you a new/newer Tesla is the best EV experience available today, but charging is still a factor and in most every state supercharging at .36 doesn't still exist today.

[@themanreview]

Look at the supercharger network on the gulf coast for example, inconvenient would be putting it mildly.

[@AveragePicker]

In 1903, about 18 years after the Benz Patent-Motorwagen, Horatio Nelson Jackson drove across the US. There was no real road system, no gas stations, no maps to do it. The car broke down in the first 15 miles, they were frequently lost (sometimes by hundreds of miles) and they had to mail order gas. (If you think it takes a long time to charge, try waiting for gas to be delivered to the local pharmacy via train and horse.) It took him 63 days to reach New York. Everyone said it couldn't be done and Jackson spent $8,000, and used 600 gallons of gas, won his $50 bet and proved it could be. Now the New York to LA record is 25 hrs, 39 min. Maybe the future is electric, maybe it is not, but you can't look at the current infrastructure and conditions, nor wait until they are perfect. Things will never be 100% ready or 100% perfect or 100% convenient or fit everyone's needs.

[@themanreview]

Excellent historical point, but the option to keep going on horses wasn't remotely equivalent so they persevered. Today the US could just keep going with ICE and see no downside, so the bigger question is - why make it harder until the infrastructure is there? That's what I ask myself when tryin to justify an EV trip.

[@VipreNZ]

Remind me in ten years - Videos that aged poorly..

[@stefakyou6103]

I'll see you in 10 years huffing copium

[@themanreview]

We will see I guess.

[@stefakyou6103]

@@themanreview 2 months later edit: Yep EV market is already dying Even Elon Musk is ditching EV's for Hydrogen Vehicles

[@birthdayforfrances]

The urban market is most of the market. So, yes, there might be a long tail of small numbers of ICE cars being sold into the rural market. It's not really relevant to the transition of the market as a whole. Also note that the economics of the market is going to change rapidly. Gas stations will start to close as they become unprofitable. Parts and service for ICE cars will become harder to find for the same reason. ICE cars will not be convenient to operate. Also, at some point the rural market will realize that they can own their own energy with solar. Having fuel trucked in will seem ridiculous and expensive. Meanwhile, batteries will only get better.

[@zircoben]

This forgets about the reality that most Americans don’t have a place to charge their cars every night. If you’re dependent on the charging infrastructure in the public, it’s a whole other story. Solar isn’t the silver bullet everyone thinks it is, their effective life is only 25 years, after which point they become toxic waste that is very difficult to recycle.

[@iOsasu14]

​@@zircobenthis isnt true. Panels still retain 80%-87% of their efficiency after 25 years. Theres a huge market of cheap used panels (check out Santan solar) because a 2,5, or 10 year old panel still has like 90% of its efficiency. Also, solar panels have minerals such as silcon, copper, aluminum, and other rare metals in them, theres incentive to recycle them. The same applies with batteries.

[@themanreview]

Gas stations actually make more of their profit from the inside sales, so that frame of reference would be hindered with lower foot traffic. If in Urban you also have suburban included then by population that would be correct, but it's not exactly convenient for suburban dwellers that road trip either.

[@themanreview]

If you can't charge at home, an EV is definitely not an easy choice. As someone with solar as well, it is not a silver bullet I agree.

[@amorphousblob2721]

If EVs were guaranteed to eventually become this dominant on their own merits, there wouldn't be countries passing EV mandate laws. The politicians know that EVs are doomed unless people are forced to use them.

[@pedroteixeira4369]

that's really morronic to say at a time when an electric car is about to become the best selling car for two years in a row.

[@themanreview]

They have at best been 7% of the overall US consumer vehicle market, and achieved that through massive incentives. If you add in heavy duty that percentage of overall transportation declines significantly. Teslas success with the model Y specifically can't really birth or save an entire segment...

[@pedroteixeira4369]

@@themanreview Electric cars now represent 80% of veicle sales in Norway out from 1% 10 years ago and they represent 80% of veicle sales in China. their share of the market is increasing at a faster rate each year that passes. The future is clear, you just need to extrapolate what is happening now. This, paired with the fact regarging the most sold veicle in the world for the last two years makes it even more moronic to state that electric cars will disappear within 10 years. They will not, in fact, what may well happen is that in 10 years ICE veichles will most likely start to become a minority in the streets.

[@johnmeeks7320]

Click bait, You say in your title EVs will NEVER work. then eventually you say it's because the current charging network has some deficiencies. Why do you think it can't be improved? Plus EVs are coming out with more range and faster charging. I think this is just BS

[@themanreview]

I don't think they will work if it continues down the road of the past decade. Disparate charging infrastructure that is unreliable, right now more range just means heavier and more expensive (bigger batteries) and none of this solves for the extreme cold/heat/towing range issues. What would need to be improved is essentially everything, or just relegate them to "commuter only" status and continue down the current path.

[@xiaoka]

6:35 FYI - In the US about 80% of the people live in urban areas (non-rural areas).

[@themanreview]

I personally think of suburban and rural as the same, but technically if you use the census definition of rural you are correct - good catch.

[@austinformedude]

Uhm...they are already mainstream.

[@themanreview]

7% of US consumer auto sales at best, still niche to have 7% market share in most industries when the competition is 93%.

[@tonyromano6220]

No they are not, not even close.

[@typhoon320i]

@@themanreview In 2023 18% of new cars sold worldwide were Battery Electric vehicles.

[@ianrmallett]

I lasted 66 seconds. What a load of crap! (and yes I own a Model Y)

[@themanreview]

So you didn't watch the video and assume it's a load? I own a Ford Lightning and have owned a 3 in the past, so maybe it's accurate and you didn't want to hear it?

[@foolishEmporer]

Thanks for letting everyone know why you buy a Tesla instead of a Ford. 12 trips to vegas and LA from Arizona without an issue. No problems. Tesla network is incredibly reliable How far does it go? the answer is enough. It's enough to get me home and back. It's enough to get me to the next charging station, and then to my destination. It won't take a mandate. If I give you a car with 400 mile range at $20k, it will sell. That's a chinese car. BYD and Geely have that. The next cybertruck edition will get 400+ miles with a price tag of 70k 8 years ago I had a 60 mile EV. Now, I have a 270 mile EV and love it. My next one will get 500 miles of range EVs will gain domination. It's just a question of when

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

yep...they gained more miles because of bigger batteries😂🤣😂

[@themanreview]

I don't think most consumers will take the answer "enough" and run with it. That's just my .02 though.

[@capnkirk5528]

@@themanreview You are kinda right, and kinda not. A Leaf in Canada costs ~$50K CDN. Nope. The cheapest Tesla is less, why would anyone buy an inferior car. However, if the very same BYD Seagull that is on sale in Mexico City for $18,500 USD (net of tax) were available in Canada. I'd write that check. What's going to push EV adoption is the greed and stupidity in the boardrooms of ICE makers. They have dropped the sub $20K car, and are working to drop the sub $30K car. Range don't matter a s*** if you can't afford the car. AND more than 50% of American families simply can't afford a new car OR EVEN a late-model used car. In a country where a car is not optional, and where the gap between rich and poor grows every year and at an increasing pace. People working two jobs don't plan road trip vacations.

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

I think you mean cheque as in write a cheque for an amout of money. Check means a check as check oil level or tyre pressure.

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

​Here in Europe Diesels are very popular in fact the U. K government not so long age was encouraging people to buy diesel instead of petrol so we did but now they have changed there mind and want to ban them. But you can get starship mileage, 300 000 easy if you service it probably know an airport taxi driver long distance that is got over 500.000 on a Mondeo Tdc I I think it's still running too.

[@TrendyStone]

I think we'll end up with a mix. As a daily commuter (~90 miles per day) I sure love my Tesla. I've put 75,000 miles on it in 2.5 years and had zero maintenance. No oil changes, never have to stop at a gas station. Carges in the garage overnight. The F-150 just sits in the driveway looking sad.

[@themanreview]

Definitely convenient if you don't go far, Tesla is the one or two I see standing in 10 years as of now.

[@TrendyStone]

@@themanreview We have a family cabin in Montana that's 280 miles away from our house so if I top the car off overnight I can make it on one charge. That's a 4 hour 30 minute drive. That's frankly as far as I ever want to go without stopping for a bathroom or food break. In my opinion we've arrived. I recently drove from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles and back and the drive in a Tesla was great.

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

I bet you will have to scrap it in 8 to 10 years due to to high cost of battery replacement, and also the range will get less as the battery ages and will require to be charged more often.

[@TrendyStone]

@@StuartPearson-mj7uz In 8 years I’ll be at 275,000 miles easily. I’ve never hit 300,000 miles with any ICE car I’ve owned. There’s a forum for Tesla owners with over 1 million miles. One guy has 1,200,000 miles on his 2014 Model S w/ original battery. I think I’ll be fine.

[@richod9635]

Great explanation! That's my thought too. The current power grid won't be able to handle the load.

[@themanreview]

The grid is definitely an issue as well, in some states it can't handle the current load (CA blackouts for example).

[@dguy321]

It's no worse than when everyone got AC.

[@richod9635]

@@dguy321 It's more like doubling everyone's household electric needs. Parts of California, the Southwest, the Midwest, Texas, and New England currently have rolling blackouts during the summer. Charging a car pulls a lot more power than AC. The average electric vehicle requires 30 kilowatt-hours to travel 100 miles - the same amount of electricity an average American home uses each day to run appliances, computers, lights and heating and air conditioning.

[@chrisoconnell8432]

The whole EV industry is well aware that charging infrastructure is the deciding factor for mass adoption. Picking a charging standard took way too long in the US, both China and Europe picked a standard like 10 years ago. But now that we do have a standard (or will by next year) we can finally start making real progress. I'd wait and see where we are in 5 years before writing off EVs. If we still don't have our act together by then (in terms of charging) then your claims may be valid.

[@themanreview]

Fair and valid, charging is a big part of it. But we would still also need to solve for actual range being in line with marketed (even when it's cold or at highway speed).

[@chrisconklin2981]

Thanks for your thoughts. As a realist you would have to admit that internal combustion vehicles have had over a hundred years of development, Ford Model T 1908. In your observations of EVs your are looking at a mass market of ten years. From what I see, in the next ten years EVs will solve all of the problems you mention. You talk about batteries. Soon the mileage will be 400 miles on a charge. They will take the cold and charge in five minutes. New battery cathode types will enable the battery to last for a million miles. Yes, charging is a problem, but a universal single socket type will help things. China is bringing to market quality EVs for $20K, "It depends" if we let them into this country. Finally, please don't forget why we are going electric. Thanks again.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

Electric cars were invented in the late 1880.... so they also had time to be developed

[@chrisconklin2981]

@@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga Actually a Robert Anderson in 1830s Scotland built the first electric carriage. Internal combustion engine development out paced battery development and as I mentioned Henry Ford introduced the first mass produced Model T. The problem with electric vehicles has always been battery performance, but the technology is improving. Petrol-chemicals stock decline and global warming will force a change.

[@themanreview]

That reason may not be necessary assuming you are talking about carbon emissions alone, unless the US as a whole starts to keep their vehicles much longer to get to carbon output parity. It's just a complicated topic, as you touched on with China and tariffs as well.

[@Tom-dt4ic]

A good exercise in how many exaggerations and falsehoods a mouth breather can jam into one post.

[@themanreview]

Any specific examples?

[@Tom-dt4ic]

@@themanreview You are spewing out a rant of very worst case scenarios, and shamelessly exaggerating on top of that. In my Model Y, I lose only 25% range on only the coldest days of the winter, of which there were three last year for where I live. Meaning below 10 degrees fahrenheit. And since I wasn't on a road trip at the time, this caused me exactly zero inconveience. And I dearly appreciated that I could turn my car on from my breakfast table using my app, and warm it up BEFORE I started driving. To do that in my ICE car I would have had to go outside and turn on the motor, then leave it idling for twenty minutes while I ate. Which is not going to happen. So I used to just freeze my ass off for the first ten minutes of driving all winter while the engine block warmed up. But not anymore! But two years ago I did road trip in northern Maine in my Model Y when the temperature was below 15 degrees fehrenheit. And I also averaged 75 miles per hour. And I still got over 200 miles on a single charge. So again, no inconvenience at all since I need to stop every three hours anyway. As for you saying that EV's lose range when it's really hot, I have not experienced that at all. Range loss in the heat is not really an issue. As for using different charger standards, I assume you've heard of adaptors?

[@chrishaberbosch1029]

What’s the average range of a gas vehicle when it’s really hot or really cold? Which ones go further? Which ones don’t?

[@themanreview]

They are both negatively impacted by 5% or so in either extreme, so it is much less and of course the remedy is quicker/more convenient as of now.

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

Diesel is king for range in any weather and you can have the heater on and not worry about loss of range

[@vevenaneathna]

currently only have 1 car as an everyday commuter, i did 35k miles last year in my 2013 chevy volt and averaged 100mpg. phevs make so much more sense, especially since i rent. in the winter it gets real cold here and i just run the motor for 5-10min on my 50-70mile commute and dont loose any range since the combustion engine provides battery and cabin heat

[@themanreview]

The volt is a seriously underrated car, possible the commuting and one car champion for anyone who doesn't want/need an SUV/Truck.

[@vevenaneathna]

@@themanreview ya even if somewere were to buy an older tesla for twice the price, maybe 200mi of range, there are so many scenarios where I wouldnt be able to rely on it because i would end up stuck at an expensive super charger, or risk damaging the old cells by having to charge to 100% and drain near 0%, or not have enough time to charge to full, or possibly have to pay a lot more for rent just to make sure i had a place to plug in. i argue for people who drive as much as i do (35kmi/yr), you would save a more in gas by always having your first 50 miles be electric (or 100 mi if you can charge at work) vs an all electric car. my partner and i shared my volt until she got her own and that thing was being driven 450 miles every day, for a month straight, 90% on electric

[@fredfoo8346]

Interesting. Some years ago I lived in Paris and took my car to visit family in Trier. Full tank got me there without a need to refill, great! Week later I took the same car back to Paris, full tank at the start. Well, it was snowing and very cold that day, so I used the heating and had to turn on the heater for the rear window. After 3 quarters of the way my reserve light came on - had to go search for a patrol station. Talk about range: well, that depends! I think there were a lot of well depends when humans switched from horses to cars - and yet, it happened. Problems are there to be overcome, obviously. What government should have done long ago is to define a certain body design and interface for the batteries so that changing stations become viable. Then you would rent, not buy a battery that is changed in minutes. People could invest in batteries that would then be rented out - make money from owning batteries! :) And upgrading to latest technology would be a rolling process. And just imagine what it would do to the prices of EV's! But again, government fails an let them manufacturers have their way to vendor lock-ins and market disruption. Shame!

[@themanreview]

Range does lessen with ICE but it's less of an issue. So much more could have been done if there was a standard created 15 years ago, but that didn't happen... and still hasn't.

[@Karl-Benny]

I depends on the Battery tech moving forward and at it`s current pace it will move a lot

[@themanreview]

I would agree but that's what we all said ten years ago and it's hardly noticeably better, we just put bigger batteries in and try to charge them faster...

[@rogermartinez78]

It will never go mainstream granted people remain ignorant, currently I have an EV with solar and I pay nothing to recharge, I can’t imagine doing the same with my gas car. I am never going back to ICE cars!

[@themanreview]

I have EV and solar as well, and on a cloudy day we do good to cover 50% of electricity used.... Don't blame you for saying you'll never go back though, if you live somewhere it's always sunny and don't road trip you are set.

[@rogermartinez78]

@@themanreview I live in SoCal.

[@MeetJoeBlack55]

You're right ..... but I've known this for several years .... that's why I laugh when I see an EV, because at their high prices, it's a case of "a fool and his money, soon part ways".

[@rogermartinez78]

Speak for yourself bro, I have not sent a single dollar to the oil sheiks in the Middle East since I went electric as my daily driver. And my electric car was similar in price to the gas version and now I am driving for free.

[@MeetJoeBlack55]

@@rogermartinez78 Keep dreamin sucker .... electricity is NOT FREE, and you've lost a fortune in depreciation on that unsellable used EV. Won't last even half as long as my ICE Camry ... not to mention good luck getting it repaired and brace yourself when the battery needs replacement. Gotta look at the big picture ... your EV did more damage to the environment just being built before my ICE Camry ever turned a wheel .... and my petro dollars go to Texas.

[@themanreview]

These days you can get a gas car equivalent EV for less money in many cases so it's down to personal choice, but EVs have been depreciating must faster than ICE.

[@kevinfisher1345]

Key word "current". Now if you think the infrastructure will always remain the way it is currently. Smh! It is an evolving market that is still being worked out on the go. Even the batteries a decade from now on will be nothing like they are today. Oddly, Canadians have no issue driving EV's in the winter. So if you are having a 40 - 50% less range, I am wondering what you are doing. The battery banks are monitored and warmed for reasons, that is one of them. Preconditioning is a thing, and simple enough to do from your phone in your house before you leave. Ten to twenty percent less range is more realistic for temps below freezing. Sadly a heater pump is still an option on most EV's today. That needs to change and become standard. Going by history and past vehicle trends, am sure it will in time. It will be the era of the chinese market. No longer japan, german, etc but chinese cars. There are already several competing with the top vehicles being sold. And only Tesla will be able to compete as they are already established and ahead of the game.

[@themanreview]

10 years ago I would have agreed with you that it would get better - 10 years later now though, it's only more complex and disparate. I do agree the only viable makers of EVs long term will be Tesla/BYD, just that they will likely never break 15% of all US auto sales annually.

[@foolishEmporer]

@@themanreview Fully-electric vehicles (BEVs) had 8.0% market share in Q2 2024. U.S. electric vehicle sales in Q2 2024 totaled 330,463. They are more than half way there already and growing

[@KeYi79]

​@@themanreview disagree. Battery tech continues to improve (CATL M3P batteries with 1000KM range, faster charging, better efficiency at lower temps). The recent adoption of NACS for all manufacturers in North America will make things less complicated. Mandates in different countries to have level 2 rough-ins in parking stalls for new condo builds (and retrofits). The last 10 years was Tesla trying to move a locamotive with its bare hands. Today, that locamotive is already moving with the help of other manufacturers. The next 10 years in advancement will likely result in cost parity between ICE and EV. The tipping point.

[@LeMatt87n]

@@themanreviewit really does feel like everyone’s drank the EV kool-aid.

[@LeMatt87n]

Canadian have no issue driving EVs? When you’re at the mall and temperatures drop, thinking you have enough range to get home and you end up stuck waiting to charge your car in a big queue. Yah.. that’s the reality of EVs in Canada bro.

[@Sentient_Atoms]

My S gets 320 miles in the winter with primarily high speed highway driving. I have not had my Cybertruck in the winter yet, but I get in excess of the rated range and mainly drive highway with offroad tires. I am on my 6th Tesla and while it has gotten considerably better over time in terms of variablilty, range has never been an issue , and I live in the north east. There are also Superchargers everywhere... Imagine how long somene's daily commute would need to be for range to be an issue in 2024... Something would have to be commuting in excess of 5 hours per day for range to be an issue... So for all 6 of those people, perhaps it would be a bad idea, although, they would save a fortune.

[@zircoben]

This comment forgets about the reality that a huge proportion of Americans live in apartment complexes or condos with no dedicated parking with charging. What you deem as a 5 hour commute is a reality for those that have to find a place to charge an EV every week after a week of commuting. Not everyone has the wallet or the luxury to have a fast charger installed in a garage, especially in a housing market That’s increasingly restrictive.

[@themanreview]

If you wanted to take the S to TN and visit family, how much time would it add to your trip vs ICE for example? I think questions like that are the issue more so than the perfect use case scenario you have and described.

[@Sentient_Atoms]

@@zircoben 70% of Americans live in single family homes...

[@Sentient_Atoms]

@@themanreview It would require one hour of charging for that 730 mile trip. So what do you think is a reasonable amount of time to stop with your family during a 10.5 hour drive? Cumulatively an hour seems about right... Also, why do people like you always hyperfocus on a rare scenario like a road trip vs the time you save every single day never stopping at a fueling station? You save far more time over the course of a year from normal day to day use even if you were to spend more time on the occasional road trip, which in most cases you are not really spending more time if you do things like... eat, pee, stretch, etc.

[@zircoben]

@@Sentient_Atoms so you're saying 37% (the statistic I found) of Americans that don't live in single family homes is insignificant? Telling 37% of America to find somewhere to charge their car and depend on their landlord's infrastructure or use public charging is not a practical reality.

[@josephjupiter3982]

It's great that they limit it to 80 percent. Charging slows to a trickle at 80 percent. I drove my F-150 Lightning from D.C. to South Carolina, and everything worked great.

[@themanreview]

I think the fact that it slows to a trickle is a major problem for most people who are accustom to a 100% full gas tank in 2 minutes.... It causes a whole new system of learning and negates maximum range marketing (max range is really at best 80% of advertised assuming no highway driving/cold/heat).

[@michaelhernandez2110]

Did he say when you charge you spend the same as gas?

[@LeMatt87n]

Yah that’s the case in parts of Europe already. Maybe not in Canada or USA yet, but it will get there within a few years.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

@@LeMatt87n yes... Norway is one of em😁

[@themanreview]

In many places it is actually more than gas now, not just certain states but at most fast charging stations. For example, it's .09 per KwH for charging at home where I live, but the supercharger down the road is .53 per KwH. Convert that to MPG and I would be better of in a gas F-150 than the lightning if I couldn't charge at home.

[@dguy321]

Good thing you almost always charge at home and only supercharge on the occasional long trip.

[@bleeder228]

The real killer is the prices for dc fast charging. You said that 46 to 52 cents is the same price as gas. That is incorrect. Those prices are actually quite a bit more expensive than gas. Just 3 or 4 years ago, you could supercharge at 20 to 22 cents per kwh and that was roughly equivalent to a 40 or 50 mpg gas car vs a model Y. I recently watch a towing comparison video where the Cybertruck was $7 dollars more expensive to operate over a 103 mile towing test vs diesel Think about that! 7 bucks more every 100 miles. I routinely pull my travel trailer 800 to 1200 miles one way for vacations. It's already expensive to do that in a diesel truck. Now add another hundred bucks to each trip for charging after you paid 10s of thousand of dollars more for the truck and you just priced a few million people out of the market.

[@themanreview]

In some places it cost's more, some less/ depends on the EV efficiency and price of gas of course. Use the Hummer EV as an extreme example and it may double the cost of gas.

[@pmor5992]

electricity is too fragile/delicate/unreliable and when the power goes out you had better have a backup power source just to save the steaks in the freezer and the milk in the fridge , i have lived in georgia my whole life and the power goes out way too often and stays out way too long , because of the aging infrastructure , electric gadgetry is great as long as it works , but just flip the main breaker off and leave it off for a day , then we will have this discussion again ;-)

[@themanreview]

Power definitely isn’t the most reliable in rural areas I agree - it’s a good second vehicle solution but not as much primary

[@brita654]

Ummmm......the Lightning can run your fridge for weeks. Cant pump gas without electricity

[@inktownfishing4505]

I think in 10 years or less EV's will gain in popularity and will be so advanced, it will blow our minds...lol! Technology is growing at such a rapid pace it's hard to think they will disappear. 15 years ago cheapest e bike was around 3000.00 with 3 SLA 12v batteries wired in series to make 36 volts and 20 mile range and weighed 80 lbs. Now you can buy a Lithium e-bike starting under 1000.00 with weight around 40+lbs and a range of 40+miles easily. Now there making better less flammable iron phosphate/lithium batteries and sodium batteries are in R&D for e bikes.China is already making hydrogen powered bicycles that are already on the road. People said 10 years ago that they would never buy a e-bike, because of costs. But now ebikes are mainstream and cost have drop enough that ebikes are the fastest selling bikes world wide! So who knows what the future holds.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

Lets not forget limits and safety of improving technology... plus e-bikes are fun, who doesn't want one.. but i won't be buying a hydrogen powered bike😅

[@themanreview]

EV/Electric in general works really well in small applications, it's moving a full size truck/SUV or bigger that presents most all issues.

[@artic6015]

I live in Saskatchewan Canada and here we can have -40C some mornings. Lots of -20C average in the winter. The cost of these vehicles, then maintenance, like tires as are harder on them because of the weight. Summer can be +30C. Hard Pass on them for now.

[@themanreview]

In that climate I agree right now they make no sense at all.

[@michellehavre6821]

totally agree. I make same prediction for digital watches and cameras 50 years ago. today you still have Rolex and Fuji is still selling film.

[@themanreview]

I mean, yes and yes but not quite the same as transport

[@wildweav]

Now that we are going to NACS, the charging stations need to be produced by more than just Tesla. Pay Tesla a licensing fee and then start making them at a larger scale and use more manufacturers. Right now as far as I know they are only made in Buffalo. Those need to be spread out to other areas to be manufactured, this is where the federal government can step in for national security purposes.

[@themanreview]

Even with a single standard road trips will still have several added hours of charging, it's a tall order

[@wildweav]

@@themanreview until charging is vastly improved, whether that is a solid state battery or other technology, it will be a major adjustment.

[@berndborte8214]

I get your perspective, but you're making exclusively worst case assumptions, when in reality, everything is on track for EVs and EV infrastructure to keep improving every single your.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

reality has a funny way to play things out... but only time will tell.

[@themanreview]

Not worst case, just assuming the next decade is as fragmented as the past two. They improve I agree, but that's just one puzzle piece.

[@robincaldwell2068]

Seems like a fair video. He listed the reasons why EV's are different from gas cars and the challenges. But he also listed the ways EV's could be more mainstream

[@themanreview]

Much appreciated, I aim to be fair and just share my opinion

[@1worldgaming18]

try having an ev in scandinavia LOL its never cold here :) well the batteries won't freeze when they are on fire :) kidding aside frost destroys batteries also how long they last sooo no ty and used ev's who wants to buy an ev with old/bad batteries? then there is no saving on the fuel bill cause it will just be the battery bill instead

[@Fahrenheit53]

Strange that doesn't explain why EVs are 90% of car sales in Norway. Gets pretty cold there.

[@LeMatt87n]

@@Fahrenheit53because of govt regulations. Doesn’t mean it’s a delightful experience driving an EV there.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

@@Fahrenheit53 government subsidies that's why... And mostly y'all don't take your EVs to the mountains🤣😂

[@themanreview]

Definitely wouldn't want to own one in a cold climate, unnecessary difficulty.

[@sandorski56]

lol, no.

[@themanreview]

But why?

[@sandorski56]

@@themanreview Because stupid.

[@Geckogold]

While you do bring up some good points, ultimately the thing keeping most people from buying an EV now is the cost of the EV, and for many, the lack of public charging infrastructure. For folks living in apartments, this may be their only option to charge an EV. Once under $30k new EV's with decent range start to show up on the market, and there's so many charging stations around that you can get a charge at your local grocery stores/shopping malls and charge it up in the time it takes the average person to do their weekly grocery shopping, then things will start to gradually change to EV's. People will buy the EV''s not necessarily to save the "green" in the environment, but to save the "green" in their wallet, in terms of paying less for fuel and especially because EV's require significantly less maintenance than gas cars do. No need to worry about oil changes, transmission flushes, timing belts, head gaskets, mufflers, spark plugs. Even brakes will last longer in most EVs if they make good use of the "regen braking" feature most EV's have where the electric motor slows the car down and recovers a little bit of electricity in the process. I know I don't miss having to do all that stuff in my old Honda Civic. Not to mention the fluctuating gas prices every week at the pump.

[@themanreview]

The economic case is a strong one for sure, and probably the only one outside of extreme performance/luxury.

[@brita654]

@@themanreview tThe environmental case is more so but no one wants to push that because of the ridicule from people that dont want to believe it

[@gazafred2]

Tesla is on track for yet another down quarter. Cox forecasts that Tesla’s U.S. sales will decline 7% on a quarter-over-quarter basis, and 7.3% year-to-date. The firm pegs Tesla’s Q3 sales at 152,829, down from last quarter’s 164,264. Tesla’s sales dropped on a year-over-year basis in Q1 and Q2 as well. Solid state battery will be 40% more than current equivalent. Most buyers who want EV have one. Governments retire funding the list goes on.

[@themanreview]

I dont' think solid state is a game changer either.... Hard to keep growing when they only sell 4.5 models.... This video may age well in ten years.

[@tambarskelfir]

You're right and I've owned an EV since 2015

[@themanreview]

Thank you, we are on the same page it seems

[@madamkirk]

Early days for sure. Good to hear your perspective.

[@themanreview]

Thanks!

[@MikeBaxterABC]

2:47 ... It is HIGHLY recommended to only charge to 80% and only drain batteries to 20% .. that knocks another 40%!!!! off the published range figures!!

[@Fahrenheit53]

For daily use 20% to 80% is recommended for NCM batteries. LFP batteries can go to 100% with no battery issues. If you're going on a trip it's not a problem to charge to 100% before you leave.

[@themanreview]

Correct, one of many rules that people wont' like being caged with.

[@brita654]

I agree. If the infrastructure and battery innovation dont make improvements evs are done. But as the CEO of GM put it "EVs are just better". And i agree with her. Theres too much money to be made/saved on EVs.......and when the stubborn ICE folks begin to see the savings and innovation in the coming 5 yrs......mainstream! I used to kinda chuckle about the Leaf back then. And I was amused by Tesla always in the news because of the long waits people were dealing with. But when I started learning about the Lightning when they were beginning to advertise it a few years ago.....I was on board!! Until I saw the inflated pandemic prices......Holy Crap! I gave up. But then back in March I saw an ad and it said federal, state and Ford rebates of 21,000.00 total I thought it was BS. I was at the dealership the next day testdriving and signing!!! 2023 Silver XLT extended range!!!! In the end its all about money. And im saving a TON on fuel expenses.

[@themanreview]

Financially if you live in a place with cheap per kWh power and want to drive a truck it really can't be beat for daily use. Road trips however are a nightmare in almost every scenario time/convenience wise which I think is a long term infastructure/hard to solve problem. Hard to say they are "better" but they do operate more simply which in tech usually wins out for many consumers.

[@timothykeith1367]

EVs are okay for local use. I doubt EVs will ever be good for long distance, but as a 2nd vehicle, for buzzing to the grocery store or the park-and-ride lot, an EV can do okay for me - someday. Id like the battery to be suitcase sized and many local shops can service the EV - besides the manufacturer.

[@themanreview]

The day may come.... Agree on distance

[@xiaoka]

"Will *never* work under the *current* infrastructure" Yawn.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

yep....can't wait to see the improved versions

[@themanreview]

Current infrastructure/technology or at all if it continues down the same path another decade. Ford/GM/Mercedes and more are all pulling back their EV investments and plans dramatically, it's not just one guy talking about it.

[@donsullivan6199]

The general public can not afford electric cars.

[@themanreview]

Not yet without serious subsidies, and maybe not ever....

[@donsullivan6199]

@@themanreview so we are going to tax everyone 30,000 dollars so we can give them 30,000 dollars to buy an electric car.

[@mcduvall2000]

yA oKaY...

[@themanreview]

Specific examples of it being wrong?

[@Ben79k]

EVs have only improved since inception. As they gain momentum in the market, charging and support has grown as well. you are so very wrong i almost wonder if this is satirical. Internal combustion is the one that is going to dissapear, not EV. Im not even an EV fan and I can see that.

[@themanreview]

Only improved in what way? Also, how does meager improvement over a decade make this incorrect?

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

And of course the electricity to charge your electric cars magically comes out the socket on the wall !

[@themanreview]

LOL, some times it is nuclear or natural gas which are both technically clear from a carbon standpoint but in most countries coal is still king.

[@StuartPearson-mj7uz]

I think if you like electric cars and they suite your requirements you should buy one, but I Don t think they should be forced on to people who do not want one.

[@themanreview]

It's still that way for now, and the market is turning so it may stay that way

[@newboy78]

Seemed pretty balanced and informed to me. I didn't hear the environmental pros and cons but still a good video. Thanks.

[@themanreview]

Thank you! Environmental info is tricky because a lot of it is subjective, but I'll try to make a sensible video that addresses the aspect as well.

[@Fahrenheit53]

Huge amounts of research are going into battery tech improvements and motor efficiency. ICE manufacturers have spent billions on improving engine efficiency by less than 5%. The EV in ten years will make the current ones look like a Model T.

[@themanreview]

I think they are pulling back in R&D spending across the board right now, my assumption is best case in ten years they are 10% better (if still around).

[@brita654]

totally agree.

[@arturoanton2958]

My question is what is going to happen in 10 years when those EV batteries start dying out? Shipping them to 3rd world countries?

[@themanreview]

They will probably recycle them, to what degree that is possible - but the real answer is nobody knows yet how long they will last to have a plan at all....

[@olebloom1641]

The rural part is why I'm choosing a hybrid kit for my RV's and trucks. EV around town and when I go out to the middle of nowhere ICE.

[@themanreview]

Very sensible, and possibly the only EV future in mainstream.

[@JIm-w1b]

Electric cars died out 100 years ago, because they were not practical or viable. Otherwise, they would have evolved alongside of gasoline cars, and today, electric cars would be as common and taken for granted as are gasoline cars. The way electric cars did not evolve, should tell you, that they are not practical or viable and gasoline cars are always going to be better

[@themanreview]

You may well be right, seems like the push for EVs is subsiding quickly so it could be the Tesla/BYD show with gas as king for another century

[@researcher4good]

Soon there will be twice the chargers, but 20 times the people in line and the grid can't handle the load. Yup. Electric semi's? No way the grid could handle the load.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

Brahhhh.... i couldn't agree more

[@themanreview]

Probably triple the chargers and even if the grid could handle the load - it would still mostly be inconvenient and overly complicated in the current form.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

I love EVs, but don't like how they are charged. I'm not talking about charging speed, but where the electricity comes from... So if that part isn't addressed, the purpose of EVs will be not just useless but could be a contributing factor to emissions... they might be discontinued if they don't yield desired results, especially if it doesn't make moola for the people up there...

[@themanreview]

Most states these days use natural gas more than anything else to provide electricity, so it is overall a cleaner burning solution if Carbon output is your only metric of measurement..... But only measuring Carbon is really an insane way to look at an entire market segment that for some reason they want us to do.

[@Geckogold]

An EV powered by coal power is still cleaner than any gas burning vehicle, in which the refinery probably also used that same coal power to turn that oil into gas. Funny that EV critics who use this argument conveniently neglect that bit of detail, just like how they scream about cobalt being mined from the tears of African children, but ignore that it's also used to refine oil into gas. Bottom line, don't worry too much about where the power for an EV comes from. Or get solar panels and then you can literally drive on sunshine. True, they have a slightly higher emissions cost when being produced compared to a gas car. But once built, they no longer have any emissions while a gas car will always pollute no matter where its gas came from.

[@brita654]

@@themanreview the whole energy system is moving away from fossils....slowly but surely. people dont like change but we as a world need to change. fossils are filthy. And we need government to make us change. what will we call glacier national park when the glaciers are gone? Actually, are they already gone? Im gonna google it.

[@ArthursHD]

Nah, the World should be pushing for micro-mobility and public transit. EVs are not even that green.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

Braah.... like who even said that cars have to work with electricity to be clean...

[@themanreview]

Smart Car future?

[@themanreview]

Bio-fuel, synthetic, hydrogen - a lot of options for sure.

[@timothykeith1367]

A monorail on colums in the center of the freeway could chain together micro EVs the size of Smart cars. They could auto couple in a chain so they can't smash into a stalled train of these things and could eject to a siding and be driven a couple miles on the street. The rail would provide the electric power and only a small battery is needed on the street. The cars would be leased and frequently swapped so that a utility company would maintain them for safety.

[@hellomeatrobots]

They’re already mainstream.

[@themanreview]

Depending on how you define it, 7% of new car sales in the best year - less than 1% of actual cars on the road overall.

[@hellomeatrobots]

@@themanreview Apple has 9% market share of personal computers, wanna argue that Macs aren't mainstream?

[@tonyromano6220]

Coal power plants love EVs!

[@themanreview]

All power plants love EVs... LOL

[@roxter299roxter7]

Electric cars will only get better.

[@themanreview]

True, but they still won't replace ICE unless better means more simplistic as a use case. Everything get's better with time and iteration to a degree....

[@milesromine9960]

Hahaha The problem has already been solved. The average person in America drives 32 mi a day. Aptera solar panels will get you around 40 mi A day. Free driving from the sun. The total distance is 1000 mi Between changing. At 80mph for 10 hrs of driving 800 Mi. Most people can't and shouldn't drive 10 hours without rest Aptera for many people will mean the end of paying for fule and electricity

[@themanreview]

This sounds great in theory, but solar only works well when the sun shines brightly and people like to travel when they want to.

[@milesromine9960]

@themanreview okay please show me the gas or diesel powered car that gets 1000 miles to the tank full

[@carloscastelo861]

To all of you Tesla fans. He is right. EV’s are impractical, not environmental friendly as you may think and the range issue is a real problem. EV’s are still a long way from being mainstream. The technology is still in its infancy and they are overpriced and overrated. I won’t pay so much for a poorly built Tesla. You end up serving your car instead your car to you. 😂

[@themanreview]

Serving your car is a very important point you made, which I will make another video about. With ICE you fill it once a week or stop quickly on a trip and you are done, with an EV you have to always be thinking about where to charge on a trip or if you plugged in every day at home.

[@frenchonionsoup8789]

BRING BACK TRAINS

[@themanreview]

Fresh take! LOL

[@rob6154]

He is drop dead correct 💯💯 y'all, im not against EVs either but i live in the country and id need at least a 440 mile guaranteed battery 🔋 pack or figure out how to stick a generator in the trunk or something

[@themanreview]

Much appreciated!

[@AAa-qd8hb]

No to EVs.

[@themanreview]

They aren't for everybody no doubt

[@EVMan298]

No to fossil cars.

[@rogergeyer9851]

The usual NONSENSE, being in complete denial and living in the PAST.

[@themanreview]

Did you happen to actually watch it? I drive an EV.... LOL

[@tjmozdzen]

Yep, don't show this channel anymore - pure click bait.

[@themanreview]

I concluded they won't be around for the most part in ten years.... Which was the title.

[@Derpy1969]

Everything you said is completely wrong.

[@themanreview]

Ok, how so? Anything specific?

[@josephjupiter3982]

ICE vehicles range depend also.

[@themanreview]

It does, but not nearly as much

[@ryansmithc]

They're definitely arguments to be made on both sides, but most of yours are absolutely terrible. Sounds like shit you'd hear from a used car salesman. Have a debate and see if your points stand up to criticism.

[@themanreview]

Mine is just personal experience, I don't sell cars. I have actually lived with modes of propulsion for over a decade....

[@makalacc]

Maybe they should introduce swappable battery modules at least lol I live in Germany and although I could do 90% of my driving with an EV, I don't want to buy it because of the rest of the trips where I would spend 22 hours instead of 12, only due to charging. Hybrids are the way to go.

[@chrisoconnell8432]

There is a Chinese company that makes an EV with swappable batteries (Nio I think). You pull up to a battery swapping station and 5 min later you pull out with a fully charged battery. Problem is they are losing money like crazy so not sure they will avoid bankruptcy.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

yeah... hybrids make sense 100%

[@themanreview]

Swappable batteries sound good but at scale nobody could make it work economically. Your use case is likely the global norm, it works most of the time but not really at all when it doesn't (EV travel).

[@Pepperhill01]

you r right and i have a chevi volt and it is good

[@themanreview]

Those are good cars

[@patrickmcguire4617]

It looks like you are taking a lot of heat in the comments, but you are absolutely right. EV trucks in particular are complete nonsense. High battery weights, low energy densities, and high costs follow from the laws of physics. They are not the "opinions" of physics, and they won't change.

[@themanreview]

Thanks man, it's just not a fully functional thing yet and frankly maybe never will be. Definitely a mess in the comments.

[@wt9653]

Fake!😂

[@themanreview]

How so though? Context?

[@wt9653]

@@themanreview You're just a guy with a view and not an expert. When one country comes out and dominates the auto market. Everyone follows their lead. That's China with cheap EVs. Even the US market is growing in EV adoption. But, no near what China and Europe are doing. As gasoline demands slow, the price per gallon will increase. Everyone thinks 4.00 per gallon is a good price. Tomorrow, everyone will think that 5.00 dollars per gallon is a great price. You get the picture.

[@wt9653]

I replied Fake just by your title. I went ahead and watched your video. After the video, I changed my mind. You're a click bait nonsense! You're going by today's battery and charging technology. Even the gasoline and diesel cars are all "Well it Depends" 😂 Only the gasoline prices will force people to change their minds.

[@expansebabylon5]

haaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@themanreview]

Agree I take it? LOL

[@z06doc86]

Thanks for your thoughts. ICE is not dead. TRUMP 2024.

[@themanreview]

LOL, much appreciated - agree it's not dead at all.

[@user-Atamigaputer]

your prediction is flawed, EV,s will get significantly cheaper and battery technology and capacity will get significantly better, people will move away from the fad of driving around in high drag oversized vehicles, oil/gas will get more and more expensive while renewables electricity gets cheaper and cheaper, many will fuel their EVs from home PV systems.

[@NjabuloNkosanaMhlanga]

copium 😂😂😂🤣

[@themanreview]

I think it's nearly impossible to assume the US will willingly move away from full sized vehicles in the next 10 years.... That alone is highly unlikely at best.

[@user-Atamigaputer]

@@themanreview Yeah right, lol

[@user-Atamigaputer]

@@themanreview so called full sized is ridiculously oversized