Why Every K-Pop Fan Boycotts RAIN Right Now

[@Toni_313]

Never sign with a company that is run by another artist that is also active.

[@Rosejuliett]

Noted 😂

[@hvcb270]

Not always, JYP is also active but focuses on his artists before him. It's only that rain doesn't give priority to his groups more than his career .

[@KpopUnniesUwU]

@@hvcb270Not sure but I think JYP is not the one who run the company, he said in A2K that how do Gina feels when she trained in JYP cuz he don’t know how it works. Mean that he has become the artist under JYP, Idk im so confused on that ep.

[@hvcb270]

@YenVlog he stepped down as the CEO in 2011 (maybe) But he still an exclusive producer and the creator like Yg

[@superstar-su7fg]

@@hvcb270 yes but he was the one who started the company, so it's quite impressive

[@thedrunkenelf]

I’m a kpop fan and I don’t hate him but then again the only thing I know him for is WHEN I WAKE UP IN MA ROOM

[@yuggi2860]

I was hoping someone would make this comment!!!😂😂

[@BELIEVER78989]

And Rainism🤣🤣

[@Amal_Khan_5986]

Haha same

[@Avivera]

Omg same😂

[@Hermionee-Jean-Granger]

don't forget the "i wanna be a bad boi i wanna be a bad bad boi" rainism

[@goldenhourss]

y’all can’t understand how iconic mblaq were. they only had bops and their appeareances in variety shows was so funny lool infeel like a granny i miss them

[@Tooba-K123]

True, they were really famous at one point but suddenly vanished. Now this explains what happened to them.

[@stelamoreira7451]

I really miss them too, they were the ones who made me like kpop so much till this day

[@jennyaxalco3649]

I miss them!! Mir was my bias .. I actually still follow him on insta

[@-OBELUS-]

@@stelamoreira7451 They were my first bias group.

[@flofee]

My first kpop concerts were MBLAQ 😢😢😢

[@peacelife]

A good artist doesnt mean one can be good at management of other especially in idol group. I feel so bad for Mblaq and all the other groups

[@yamigirl2356]

This video is perfectly timed! I was at Kcon LA 2023 and I was so confused when RAIN got no love. There was very little cheering and dancing. Most people actually sat for his set. It wasn’t till after Kcon I found out that he was black waved. I was a big fan of MBLAQ but I had no idea they were under RAIN. I always wondered what happened to MBLAQ and this explains everything well. I respect RAIN as being an OG in the Kpop community and that he inspired many idols but I can see why everyone is upset with him.

[@lulu_0763]

i was there too, and yeah i wonder why kcon even invited him and he accepted lol

[@mfkimkai]

@@lulu_0763 with the public anger atm he rlly set himself up accepting tht....

[@AlvinaYunoa]

Same, I didn’t understand why ppl started hating RAIN and I loved Mblaq and have always wondered what happened to them as they just disappeared after dropping mirror 😭

[@STAYing_for_kids]

Same,i started stanning k-pop since 3rd gen So i didn't understand why they hate rain

[@xxianmoon]

I used to respect him but it went all down the drain after knowing the truth, well i mean i had a hunch all a long after ciipher debuted that history was gonna happen again especially with the way he would interact with ciipher, though i was overthinking things but .... Look were we are now

[@xmochilove]

Rain is like "I want y'all to be famous... but not more than me" to all his groups 💀 Also joining CUBE, who had BEAST mind you -- who was MBLAQ's rival back in 2009 was craaaaazy

[@grace_ajm]

I love rain but honestly he only thinks about himself if you think otherwise you’re a fool

[@artsyhyd]

I have to agree eventho I like his music, he was born too early, Im a bit younger than him, so I was already listening before the Kpop golden era. He was expected to be the one who could make South Korean music more well known internationally, I remember watching his show about that, however the one who has successfully done that is BTS 😄

[@VilVil-p9s]

There is no hate to rain but more a disappointment. if you wanted to focus on your career don't make something when you know it's not going to last because of your needs. there is nothing wrong wanted to do things for yourself but putting people in your ways so you can be the center of attention is no.

[@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive]

agreed. He should not mess with things he can't handle

[@vedantkakade7358]

He literally destroyed the careers of those boys 😭😭😭

[@beverlyledbetter4906]

Well, he did marry high up the hog so I guess he has to continue to be successful to keep "princess Kim." I don't dislike the guy but... focus on your career if that's what you want; don't make false promises you either can't or won't keep!😒

[@Faris_GamingRoblox]

Disappoinment comes from Anger...

[@wwonderers]

i think this more like, he's really good as a performer and coach, but not in business.

[@lisalor7281]

The problem with Rain is that HE still wants to be famous. He cannot sit in the background and let his artists shine. He NEEDS to also be the FACE and be putting music out there. He cannot simply focus on the group but he is still focusing on making himself famous out there.

[@multifandomclub885]

He's no different from jyp

[@edm5378]

This is how the world knows only Jackie Chan, who has "NO successors" by design.

[@strongmind6584]

​@@edm5378is jackie chan a k pop manager?😂

[@Yasminh-]

@@multifandomclub885 because Rain was under JYP , some "like father like son"-kinda way but seriously Rain at least is hot and has fans, while JYP just annoys the hell outta me and the world

[@cathyflores3684]

Nothing wrong with that though but at least do not forget that you have artists under your bucket that needs attention. Then, I remember I had an argument with a fan of Rain saying we should not blame Rain since we don't really know what is happening behind the scenes. Well, the articles about MBLAQ and Ciipher and what I saw in Boys Planet through Keita Terazono do not lie.

[@asdfghjkri]

This is exactly the same issue with the artists that Beyoncé is handling. As the other people said, never expect success when you are being managed by another artist.

[@thecoolintroverttv8381]

Right?! Like Chloe and Halle deserved more, they have so much potential😢

[@donneone]

At least not by an active artist & manager.

[@debduttapathak8588]

I also agree that's why I guess most of the new artists nowadays signs with companies which are not handled by any other artist but also many not so well known companies

[@mtnk096]

Of course because you'll be in the shadows of that artist no matter what expectations and such are really great cause you're following an established artist.

[@GlossyJoyMiralles]

yes that is most likely the scenario.

[@rekialaribi141]

MBLAQ was my first ever group when I got into kpop, legends and one of the best, I'm so sad to hear about what they've been through, they have a lot of good music, even the last song they released "Mirror" was good, I don't know if Rain is to blame but we lost real talent

[@Avivera]

I don’t really support black ocean, but I hope that this was a wake up call for Rain. I got interested in Ciipher some time in early 2022 if I remember correctly. Mostly because of Keita, who I grew very fond of after watching yg treasure box after becoming a teume in early 2021. When I got interested in Ciipher, was around the same time Keita became my ult bias. But the lack of comebacks and promotions made me uninterested after awhile, and I really never became a fan, but more a casual listener of them. Then now when boys planet happened and Keita was one of the trainees there, it made me very sad, but also hopeful and happy that his incredible talent maybe wouldn’t go to waste. He was my top pick throughout the entirety of boys planet. And now he is getting to debut in EVNNE, with other trainees that didn’t make it in the final lineup of Zerobaseone. I couldn’t be more proud of him❤ It also looks like he might be the leader of EVNNE, which he definitely deserves with his experience in the industry and the many years he was a trainee❤ I also hope nothing but the best for the rest of the members in Ciipher and whatever their future endeavors might be❤

[@vanillawanilla1936]

i don't understand why veteran kpop idols who wants to start their own companies think they're automatically legible to be CEOs. Just because an idol has been in the industry for a long period of time does NOT mean you can run a company. It's all BUSINESS and FINANCE. A more legible person should be someone who knows how the system of the industry works and how to handle money. I think it'd be more fitting if they start out as DIRECTORS first, given their actual previous experience in the industry they would only be focusing on the image and the debuting idols since that is the kind of expertise they would prob have

[@aze101]

it's similar to hell kitchen , some guy has some money collected thru years of being an office worker or due to inheriting money -> sees that restaurants do well and they like food -> opens a restaurant .

[@jamesrawlins735]

I think they are seduced by JYP. The guy went from a backup dancer to a star to running one of the top entertainment companies - and he's now worth around $250 million.

[@lilacberrym]

​@@jamesrawlins735Seduced LOL but i agree with you.

[@Rainnone]

​@@jamesrawlins735I agree, they thought everyone could do it. JYP did it but even he stepped down as a CEO at some point and quit handling JYPE artists to focus more on the music aspect of the business. Occasionally writing songs for the girl and boy groups of jype too. Unfortunately for him, being the face of the company, a lot of clueless people still blame him for mismanagement of JYPE artists when he isn't managing them for a long time now.

[@maamhaven215]

I remember H.O.T. Tony complaining about SM. He put up his own talent agency and became what he was complaining about. Difference is SM is successful...🤑

[@shainyjana9534]

Ciipher had so much potential. They produced their 1st album. But all are gone

[@hyunbinsluvr]

ciipher*

[@SukaAir]

Not just first but all the 3 mini albums

[@debduttapathak8588]

The problem of all these is rain wants all the spotlight resulting in all these mess and as a CEO she should sit in the background and promote their group properly

[@hyunbinsluvr]

I've known the members very well since Ciipher debuted and besides, what Rain did was just irresponsible.. I missed that, okay so he said "I should have bought a house instead of debuting Ciipher?" This is so disrespectful to the members, Rain is wrong and he's being punished. The members had worked hard and went through difficult paths, they had dreams. But Rain turned them all upside down.

[@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive]

wow he said that? that just made me feel more gross towards him. What an airhead. He let the money get to his head. Gross

[@marianasanchez7299]

That’s awful😟

[@saultysault]

didn't he say he lost a house worth of investment because the interviewer pressed the question?

[@UltimateKpopmultistan]

OMG he really said that? Gosh. This made me no longer a fan of Rain. If he said those words, why push through with the debut of Ciipher? Just imagine how the members would feel. 😢😢😢 MBLAQ's disbandment is also heartbreaking.

[@abdullahfaruk9782]

@@UltimateKpopmultistan lee sang min asked Rain how much he invested, Rain replied " the amount of money needed to buy a luxurious house" first see the clip first and then blame...and honestly do you even care about Ciipher or are you just a hater with nothing to do better in life

[@inawairuz87]

Mblaq will forever be one of my fav groups of all times..😢 i miss them so much..the amazing songs, the hilarious personalities that all of them have that always make me smile especially when watching Hello Baby..🥹🥺 urghh i am still can't accept the fact that they were disbanded too early...😭 I am gonna listening to their songs now..while crying..😢

[@mosanreveuseon3147]

I loved MBLAQ so much back then 🥺

[@preciouslyunhinged]

I don't think it's hate..we're just disappointed...he is a smart and talented guy but I don't think being a CEO for kpop group is his thing ..

[@blackneko9401]

In my eyes, he just trying and then losing. That it. People ignore his all out effort and just blame him for everything. Why people not get a mirror and ask themself "do i try to stan this group? What i do for my idols?" None. People ignore them, forget them whrn they are exist but when they disband they blame agency. Not just rain but ALL AGENCY always being blamed by people, everytimes bad happend to the group. All of you forget agency is business??? I feel bad both for the group and rain. Forget me , i just know mblaq and not for the others

[@hogrider5059]

I will never forgive Rain for abandoning MBLAQ... the only boy group I supported...

[@anneliselim602]

Ruining people's lives is not funny. If he wants to promote himself more and compete with his own talents he shouldn't sign artists. A CEO leaving for military is just ridiculous, he was too young. After his return he abandoned them and focus on himself because he wasn't stable, idols need to stay relevant. He simply shouldn't start his own company. I can foresee this happening to Kang Daniel's company in future years.

[@corbinblackstyles6880]

He is spending his own money why are u whining. Ofcourse he will prioritize his career more than anything else. Since he is still active

[@raneemsharaireh2807]

MBLAQ were my favorites and im still to this day disappointed in rain because he wasted such a talented group no one will ever become as talented as MBLAQ their music were unique thier mvs had story it was never boring to watch and they were variety shows legends i miss them and the old kpop so much

[@inawairuz87]

Yeah..i am very speechless when the news of Lee Joon and Thunder left the group because they are my favs😭 and then boom the group disbanded soon after that..i am sooo upset because the group has soooo many potentials and their songs are soooo good!!😢

[@leothechonkycat]

i just watched Kwanghee’s youtube show & i was surprised by how good Lee Joon sound

[@jacquelinelugo5518]

​@@leothechonkycat Lee Joon has an amazing voice, even though they joked in the group. That he was the laziest member, it wasn't true. He really worked hard and could have been such a double threat with his acting and singing career

[@lakwatsirong_tagaw8481]

People should just realize that there are 100+ kpop group and only 1 or 2 of them are going to be internationally famous. Potential does not mean they are going to get a big break in the future.

[@lisereen8221]

I knew of Madtown and Ciipher, only a few songs, but still. I remember voting for I Like You when it debuted. I didn’t know they were gone🥲

[@jewljuju]

I knew this was going to happen when I found out Rain had created a new company and was going to manage a new boy group. Didn’t you learn from before?

[@powbobs]

A self-centered male idol only caring about himself? Shocking! 😂 To me it sounds like he would get jealous when the groups became popular and ignore them.

[@LeeLee-ye1rs]

Rain needs to decide..Is he a performer OR Is he a Producer/Agent!! Fans WANT NEW TELENT TO CHEER ON!!🙃

[@Neo-Queenserenityt2l]

The same can be said for JYP & he's still producing music

[@KXV237]

So disappointed in Rain. He, out of all people, should know about the struggles as a trainee/raising star trying to make it in this harsh industry. I was there from Rain’s beginnings under JYP since the early 2000’s and I saw how hard he worked and the support he received under JYP helped propelled him in his career. SMH…i don’t know how, but I hope he bounces back from this…

[@davidwong6682]

Rain is definitely a legend in the kpop industry and in acting. But even many legends of all fields have something that they're not good at and Rain is no exception. But even with things not working out for Rain in his management of his companies and artists Rain is still a great guy and a legend in my eyes.

[@shinitakunai1145]

Legend in Kpop I can understand, but his acting is far from legendary, he was in some successful dramas, but they were not successful because of him most of the time. I watched most of his dramas and most of the time I thought that this or that actor could have done equally or better

[@coffeesweet1]

@@shinitakunai1145 i watched the last Drama just for Kimbum , for me, Rain's acting is cringey (this is just me) and it's like he's stuck on his Full House days

[@alantes]

I wouldn't call him a legend in acting.

[@Viewer13128]

Rain wasn't bad at managing, he chose to put himself in shows instead of his own groups. That's pretty bad considering trainees abandon their futures and have a blank for several years in order to debut. Rain actually debuted them so they wasted additional 2-3 years after debut. Rain knows this. It's almost as if Rain finds it funny to let them experience a spotlight for once, then take it away. They had no comebacks, no shows, no fan meets, nothing. Worst is Rain replaced their appearances, which is simply laughable. Rain knows if he ruins them, they might become unemployed youngsters with no post-secondary academic record maybe cleaning toilets, or might become smalltime nobodies in the entertainment industry scraping by. Basically, this wasn't poor managing, this was Rain having fun toying with the group.

[@nilamv6003]

@@shinitakunai1145no no in acting. He can only show anger 😅😅I didn't like his acting since full house😂😂

[@silenthill4100]

I've known this for ages that rain was hated by most fans in the music industry but I can't point out the reason. Now I know it all. Lol. I've seen his performance in his old songs before but there is no cheer at all or fans just dead silent on him.

[@lisettes.9598]

Rain was such a fox when he was younger. My god was that man gorgeous!!!!

[@tj28308]

I always think he's a bit of a butter face case.

[@lisettes.9598]

@tj28308 really? I guess beauty is subjective. His younger face when his cheeks were really full really does it for me. He reminds me of Bang Chan. Who really does it for me too.

[@maryannbolocon3530]

I don't hate him his still a good guy (for many), yet not good as a ceo/manager. He can't manage his own company on his own, he lost his focus and put his ambitions firsts. Maybe this is not his path, i feel bad for mblaq because they are legends who lost they're shine. And there's madtown who has a bigger potential to dominate the scene but sadly they missed manage. And lastly ciipher, i'm so sad for the boys. Hope they never give up they're dreams.

[@mikaghajanyan5565]

...Wasn't he cheating on his wife? (I'm not sure)

[@fc7307]

@@mikaghajanyan5565 What does this have to do with the issue of bad management?

[@raephillips2046]

@@mikaghajanyan5565what are you bringing his wife into this

[@mikaghajanyan5565]

@@raephillips2046 I was asking a question, people

[@raephillips2046]

@@mikaghajanyan5565 ye but even when the person did wrong we don’t talk about their family members 🌻

[@AngelBKPop]

I was at the K-Con concert and I thought that he got lots of love! He, of course did not get as much celebration as did Zerobasin( understandably because there were mostly younger people) I am not sure about was is or isn’t truth here…but I have video showing LOTS of love for Rain…be careful not to judge unless we know everything

[@asiyanaqipourfar9306]

I barely knew he was related to MBLAQ back then and tbh sort of started to resent him from the "UNIT" era and then again Cipher happened :/ I can't trust him with any group anymore

[@Picasso.theDOG]

MBLAQ was the group that got me into K-POP, I was so sad they didn't make it. 😭🤧

[@sunflower3668]

I love Rain!

[@serchmaabaatarchuluun5761]

Suga of BTS once implied he doesn't really want to produce a kpop group despite having all the requered attributes because he will be making decisions on someone, a teenagers' life. Rain should've thought twice before managing those idols because someone's whole career, life dream depended on it.

[@hyunbinsluvr]

I totally agree with this comment. Rain is so irresponsible

[@debutriah2854]

@@hyunbinsluvrcry about it

[@Enhypenmeencanta]

@@debutriah2854womp womp

[@kmusic5944]

Rain doesnt really want his groups to be more popular than him...always been that way..jay park the only one who did it right while being active artist

[@vaanLuvU]

He wanted to be JYP since rain came from JYP entertainment where you have popular idol groups and still fame yourself but it’s not working for him that way he needs to fully invest and step aside

[@ohyouaremyday]

im SO mad for what happened to ciipher. he just wasted all their time and efforts. not to mention they're crazy talented, especially the main producers keita tag and won. so mad.

[@sensoine]

I don’t even think he manages at all his probably just the face of the company The only thing I don’t like is him sending himself to kcon instead of his groups, I still respect him for his success as a actor/idol I feel like his just a handsome jyp

[@comingtoyoulive05]

Handsome JYP actually makes so much sense😭

[@akosvarga7881]

This is not how it works. Rain is not the promoter of KCON so he doesn't decide who can or cannot perform. He was there because he was invited.

[@AgustinaRD5]

@@akosvarga7881 HE is very well known and have power very easily he can make his group make it to kcon don't act fool here

[@LP-ct9nk]

Rain with his influence can ask or heavily suggest that his groups perform at Kevin the same way he asked variety shows to promote them

[@spaghettieggplantsauce8533]

Everyone is learning in this life!As life goes on, along the way, sometimes ego, innocent mistakes are plausible and unavoidable. Deep gossips, negative thoughts will ruin people. The stars are always the brightest light in the darkness, but they do not know what they're missing or need to improve, because all along they're the guiding stars. Wish Kookielit will become a helping channel to bridge goodwills! Best wishes for Rain! Success and a strong content heart to overcome all the tribulations!

[@WifeofJunsu]

Though rain being the most iconice idol he was the one because of which the other members of the group in which he was in could not debut, shattering their dreams and achieving his own by debuting solo

[@hyunbinsluvr]

I think the commenters don't know about Ciipher. I've been a Ciipher fan since debut, there's nothing the man (Rain) didn't do. He brought his sons from competitions to competitions, even if we were wondering about the history of Cb, he tortured the members by ignoring our comments, you know. It left us wondering! We didn't even know if one of our members was alive?? Then suddenly 4 of our members left!! What are the idiots defending him going through? HE NEVER FULFILLED ITS RESPONSIBILITY! AND NOW WE CLUE'S WON'T FORGET HİM.

[@dramaqueenedits]

Oh Gawd!😭. I kept wondering wht the hell happened to cipher? I kept sensing something was off, and found myself wondering if Rain was sabotaging them, I don’t even know y I thought that. they had so much potential. I Kept wondering cant I find anything on them. I was introduced to them on the show master in house, and loved them almost immediately. I feel especially sorry for Tan who has been through so much Already. He didn’t deserve this. I mean Rain’s a great guy. at least on the outside and even brought the group with him to diff shows like all kpop show and the rest. But something just felt and still feels off about the way the guys just fell off the grid. I’m sensing something off about Rain.

[@ma.luzpuyat8870]

Yup..i understand this kind of scenario. I RememberED in what Suga said in his show that BTS likely to disband before bec. the company don't have money when they are starting

[@-OBELUS-]

MBLAQ was my first K pop group. The way they were mistreated and neglected was painful to see.

[@anb2139]

I went to a MBLAQ contest here in Mexico, and it was solid! Great performers

[@snoosificationsnobs98]

I really loved mblaq! Still listening to their songs. I wonder what the guys doing now, any infos???

[@wooyoroll]

​@@hyunbinsluvrthey aren't talking abt ciipher tho-

[@arach.]

​@@hyunbinsluvrop was talked about mblaq. . .

[@hyunbinsluvr]

​@@wooyorollit shows different in translation, I misunderstood

[@ICEcUBeZ1004]

I always felt that the variety show where Cha Eun Woo watches Ciipher wasn’t a “joke” at all. CEW was really pissed at how they were treated. Rain deserves all the funky breath comments he gets.

[@jewljuju]

Can you tell me which variety show?

[@ICEcUBeZ1004]

@@jewljuju I don’t know the name but he’s with a bunch of guys (not Astro).

[@anbuselvi1991]

​@@jewljujuMaster in the house

[@narisys]

@@jewljujuYou can search Master In The House Rain prank

[@WhippedforMinho]

That was a prank that Rain and the producers to prank Eun Woo

[@stokesla7477]

To me Rain is a better performer than singer. His commanding presence, dancing, and style are what actually stand out. He needs to let the whisper singing go. He should have left on a respected high note. This is not how he wants his music career to end.

[@freakyominnie]

I'm kinda sad about what happened because he is the first person who made me into kpop 😢

[@itzmeche]

People need to realise making a group is same as starting a business. Not everyone have guaranteed success. So I don’t really understand the hate train as so many groups especially in small companies failed in the past.

[@deeuphrosyne]

Yeah, but his “business” is kids with dreams, he just waste their effort and time. He already failed to focus and manage MBLAQ, even though they were popular and had potential. If he really want to make his “business” success, he should try his best to promote them, maybe use his connection to make them appear on variety shows or his friend’s show, but he still focus on his own career, and waste Ciipher member’s youth and potential, you know in korean entertainment age is a very crucial factor right? In kpop, 22/23 years old is too old to debut (i remember idols said it themselves). It would be hard for the members to re-debut as idols because of age, especially Tan (born in 1996).

[@atieyebibinia6587]

To be fair Ciipher didn't seem like the type of group which would survive in K-pop. I don't mean to be harsh. But k-pop is a relentless world. Even if Ciipher was being managed by other companies they would still disband sooner than expected. Try to see the situation from the perspective of a CEO, especially when you have invested your life in a product. If it's not beneficial, then you gotta pull the plug. Unfortunately it happens often. MBLQ was such a shame though, they could've been as big as 2PM, TVXQ, big bang or other big groups of their generation.

[@rachellau8121]

I love rain and all he does. ❤

[@abdullahfaruk9782]

Still a fan of Rain ❤ But honestly how many views did Ciiphers first mv had?? People don't appreciate new groups anymore and when there is a slight chance of blaming others then they start with their blame game... Despite blaming others at first watch their music videos and then talk

[@LovelyKissess]

Right. I said the same thing to people. How are y'all pretending y'all care about Ciipher now, when y'all paid them no attention in the first place. Groups who get little to no attention get abandoned 90% of the time

[@AgustinaRD5]

Ohhh kissing that man's ass it's really bad for y'all

[@beatriceb9380]

Right, marketing and producing albums need money. So many small and mid size agency's Idol group had one or two comebacks then dissapear. No one blames on their CEO right? Rain is just a public figure so these people have a target to throw arrows into. Rain might not manage them best, but every opportunity that he tried to give need a cost. When those cost didn't add up... It's either continue struggling or say bye2. BTS was almost disbanded while filming I Need You (they had 2 bad album sales), they decide to continue, but not all Idol Group is as lucky as them.

[@Lizzytrixx]

MBLAQ will always be one of my fave groups 😢😢😢 miss them and their chemistry together ❤ Rain is a great performer but it doesn’t look good how his company fumbled MBLAQ like that

[@inawairuz87]

Ikr?? I miss them sooo much too..😭 their songs are all good and i just love all of their personalities..one of my fav groups of all times🥺

[@hashybrown07]

I first heard of Rain when he stared at Speed Racer. Then I came upon to listen his music. He was a international global icon but movies like Ninja Assassin and The Prince bombed in the box office which limited his time in the US market. Remixing Gang revived his career. From JYP to R.A.I.N Company hasn’t worked out at all though despite he’s still the king of KPOP today ❤.

[@eyebrowstj]

I love kpop and I love him! To each their own 😂😂😂😂

[@richy1051]

I remember Rain playing a one character movie called Ninja Assassin.

[@deliastefanescu1908]

And he did a great job, didn’t he ?! 💖🦄👍

[@richy1051]

@@deliastefanescu1908 damn straight he is. 🔥🔥

[@deliastefanescu1908]

@@richy1051 👍🔥

[@PoojaSharma-xx1iz]

Ciipher's entire discography is gold, not a single skippable song.

[@Cbell801]

I love Rain 🥰 no matter what you say.

[@nancymcgee4776]

This sounds maybe like a Rain doesn't like to feel outshined kinda thing and age is not on his side now either!

[@riizemixx]

Whatever he's done is very wrong but kpoppies do not need to deny the impact he's had on kpop. Back in the day he was really big and is one of the richest kpop artists too. And this is why he shouldn't have competed with the groups he managed cuz he was big already. They deserved attention and promotion.

[@lovetonegirl]

People who are saying rain wants money is not true because him and he wife has money look being a CEO and artist sometimes is hard he just needs better writers for his groups or see if the groups he signed can write music because I like some of his groups and still listen to their music he just needs a better team

[@aska_1401]

Well, I dont know much about rain. But, just dont judge him too hard y'all. Some shits happened that we couldnt see. The fans also must have role here, I think. I've been a CASSIOPEIA like forever, been through shit with the splits and law suits, but we continue supporting them, and fortunately TVXQ! just celebrating their 20th anniversary. Its a bless for us. I wish for the best for all the idols.

[@lynninpain]

MBLAQ was one of my most favorite groups ever. So unfortunate what happened to the group.

[@oceanwaves9923]

rain should just stop producing and managing groups if hes going to get bored easily. he's a great celebrity but a terrible CEO, period.

[@israelsgyrl]

Yeah, he's so 'boycotted' that he has more than one and a half million subscribers to his YT Channel Season B Season. Also, yes, there were some Petty Patties and toxic Stans there booing and turning their lights off, but there was no 'Black ocean', it was more like a 'Who's that guy?' ocean. Rain's an OG Kpop idol/Hallyu star and a lot of the young and/or new to Kpop attendees just didn't know who he was. As for the dragging him all over the internet because of the status of groups he has involvement with, that's just more Toxix-Standom b.s. Even now,, with Ciipher, the complaints are ridiculous. First of all, they're still green and several members left (amicably), so expecting him to ham-hand them in to a show of headliners when they're not at that level and are in the midst of transitioning and adjusting to the new line up, is immature af. It's Toxic-fandoms and evil netizen gossip sites and channels like this one that cause emotional trauma and trigger mental health issues and break downs and even cost people their lives. How many artists have to commit suicide, have nervous break downs, be forced to rake career breaks for mental health treatment, or end up with charges from self-medicating with drugs and alcohol to cope with the trauma? What's even worse, is how many of the malicious rumours and false accusations end up being exposed after someone's whole career and life have been ruined, or like the recent case, where an actor took his life over a black mail scam that became chum for the sharks on social media and in the kceleb news/gossip circles. Thanks to Dispatch, we now know that his drug tests were clean and he was begging for the police to keep the situation private until a proper investigation was finished. His lawyer also implored the police to do a lie detector test, but was denied both requests. Instead, as he feared and as his petition to the police predicted, the entertainment/gossip sites, channels, social media and evil netizens took what limited, unfounded info was available and they ran with it. Everyone was sh*tting all over his career, his marriage, his character, his whole family and even after he died, even after we saw his tests were clean, there was no proper/complete investigation yet and despite the leaked texts of his blackmailers planning and then bragging and laughing about scamming an innocent man, as well as knowing now that they were going to fleece his wife to, a lot of these inhuman keyboard assassins didn't feel an ounce of remorse, some even doubled down. People have asked "Why did he pay up if they were lying?". Of COURSE he's gonna pay up, because even a whiff of a rumour of doing drugs could end his career. As for the infidelity? Many Korean Artists have paid off blackmailers even though they were not guilty, because they've seen what happens when you don't (for most). Kim Hyun Joon for example, who stopped paying his blackmailing ex and had his career ended at the height of his success. Everyone HATED him and believed the accusations because it was his ex gf. Turns out, she was lying and fabricated texts between them, where he 'admitted' to abusing her, she manufactured and doctored photos and medical records, and schemed it all up with her friend and her mother. Dispatch, then eventually the police released text messages used as evidence in court, where she discussed her plans with her mom and friend, including a particularly damning one where her mom tells her to keep up the charade of reconciling (yes this idiot took her back after the first blackmailing round) for a few more months in order to make sure she got knocked up, so they could take him for everything he had financially. This woman ended up going to jail for her crimes in the end, but she was still given custody and has withheld the child from him since birth. When she was dragging him and leaking all her 'evidence', this man was treated like Satan, but after his name was cleared, his innocence was barely ever mentioned by any of the sites, channels, etc...who were vehemently condemning him. As a result, his career in Korea is permanently over, because in S.Korean society and in the Kpop/Kceleb world, anyone with a negative rumour or an accusation against them is guilty until proven innocent, then they're STILL guilty afterwards in the insane, biased twisted minds of Toxic standoms and evil netizens. As for the infidelity of the Squid Game actor, whether that's true or not, it's between him and his wife, NOT the world at large. THIS CHANNEL CREATOR SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEIR SELF as should anyone partaking in this toxicity.

[@s.s2510.]

Well said, channels like these have to say something about their idol's idol because their bias could never replace them.

[@tj28308]

Rain, of all people, knows that maintaining success demands a sacrifice. Sacrifice made by others, not himself. 😂

[@youreright9178]

i think the main cause of internal conflict between idol members is selfishness. working together as a team all the time isnt easy, but its impossible if theyre competing with their own teammates.

[@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA]

A company didn't make a group right if the members are competing against each other. The reason groups like Ateez exo seventeen BTS and stray kids exist and seemingly have good a tight friendships/relationships is because they were trained to work as a team not fight each other for $$. They bounce off each other's skills and when they do solos they go with their own talents and style on things not actively try to step on each other's toes

[@LovelyKissess]

Saw clips of his performance and people were definitely cheering and singing along Just the haters keep pushing that no one cheered because it makes themfeel better for some odd reason

[@BreakofDawn]

There’s people who have uploaded his full performance. If you look in the audience it’s definitely darker than if you compare it to Taemin, or really any other artist who was there, even the lesser known ones. Every artist is going to still have fans no matter what they do, so of course he’ll still get cheers and singing, but there was definitely less feed back compared to other performers. I didn’t hear any booing though, so I think the articles exaggerated what happened but it was a lot darker during his performance than everyone else’s

[@LovelyKissess]

@@BreakofDawn I mean I didn't say everyone cheered. I'm sure some people didn't sing or cheer especially since most of them probably didn't know him or his songs. But these articles definitely over exaggerated what happened trying to make it seem like he's hated by everyone. And the commenters just add to the lies for fun

[@honeybunny1of23]

Rain left his company and thought the major share holder JYP would take care of them.wbile he was in the Army which is required. Sorrybut Rain screwed up, he should have got a management company and PR to handle the group and support them Rain should have taken care of them because he would get the backlash.

[@cameronfrost3794]

I think the hate is well deserved. RAIN had a choice between promoting himself and promoting the group he managed, and he chose himself. Everyone knows unless you are apart of the big 3, becoming popular and STAYING popular is hard. It’s just disrespectful he didn’t do ANYTHING (no advertising, no solo activities, no strong online presence, etc.) with cypher while they were probably watching in grief as their careers faded.

[@ariiveins3450]

I hope he stops debuting boy groups if he can’t handle or do something about it

[@KingKikikoi]

Make a video on how kpop fans themselves are also villains 😂

[@hyunbinsluvr]

Shut up, you don't know what he's doing?

[@excaria5949]

I'm a casual fan of rain but this is a fair assessment. If you fuck up the careers of people you're gonna get backlash 💀genuinely hoping that he learns his lesson and either never puts out another group again, or actually ensure good management (undoubtedly he's not the ONLY guy in charge of everything but he needs to find better people). I fear this is a case of older successful kpop artists wanting to leave even more of a legacy on kpop, but he needs to maybe just let it go.

[@walkingwith_dinosaurs]

O miss Lee Jun's crazy stories at variety shows...

[@mauveclover381]

He was going through the hardships before, why did he do that to these kids??? He really is selfish.

[@Yasminh-]

just started the video but seriously a song where MBLAQ basically say OH YEAH for 80% of the time is nothing I ever thought was the next DBSK , their songs eventually got better but still no masterpieces tbh

[@lemonxamethyst]

Oh my precious mblaq 😔

[@hajimarayo]

I'm not a Ciipher fan, more of a kpop fan that watches ton of variety and entertainment shows. One thing for sure, whenever there is Ciipher promoting their group, there will Rain tagging along.. Like bro I want to see these rookies being themselves in the show.. Not seeing you introducing them.

[@yssanesz000]

Yung sa CIIPHER talaga, wala siyang pakealam sa mga pangarap ng mga bata. Grabe. I lost respect for Rain at that point. Grabe

[@RayMak]

It’s not easy to be managed by idol

[@koreowl]

I don't remember who said it, (I think it was either Jay Park or Zico, who are creating / had created their kpop boy groups) but boy groups make a lot of money once they are successful. I think Rain just wanted the easy-cash and then dump them before they got bigger than him. Rain needs a wakeup-call that he is no longer famous, especially after he got married (which is a common reason most idol-fans leave).

[@TradBarbie]

He's the *best* by far!!

[@IZTheOne]

Well Rain should know that he had destroyed dreams of many young people under him trying to make it in the industry so the black ocean was well deserved. Don't do it again Rain.

[@QQ-xn2tj]

this is so stupid. seriously if u own a company, invest and selling products, but products didnt give profit u expected, will u still invest in it and keep losing profit? fan only see idol as idol, but company see them as product. it not easy to raise an idol group, but it more harder to maintain it. rain might be 1 of investor and manage them, but im sure there are alot of other investor involved. decision probably not by him alone. in the end, ppl just want someone to be blame off.

[@mcberry2521]

The man keep doing the same thing over an over again dragging a lot of people and their dreams in the middle , that's stupid and irresponsible.

[@carolazevedo6826]

Thank you for your logical thinking. Kpop community lacks it today.

[@QQ-xn2tj]

@@mcberry2521 then they can keep dreaming. not easy to survive in kpop industry. without rain, their group doesnt exists also.

[@hyunbinsluvr]

​@@QQ-xn2tjI'm sorry but you're so disgraceful, that man is Irresponsible AND YOU CAN'T PUT THIS IN YOUR HEAD! WHAT A PITY

[@nikodismal4989]

OR, don't start a company if you've failed repeatedly, knowing that your promotional abilities are limited, put young teens through years of grueling training and all the sacrifices which that encompass and blame them to their faces for not performing to your liking in an industry in which success hinges 99% on marketing which is the CEO's/management's job.

[@rohaiziabdulhai4019]

I am a Kpop fan and I dont hate Rain. Much respect for him as a performer.

[@mikaomiable]

He's a judge rn on Asia Super Young, a Chinese idol survival reality show.

[@amiwu5940]

Hmmm..he did this with mblaq too. Like even when they are at the top of their career. He disbanded them because he's to busy with his own business. So when he created his company again and debuting chiiper, i was like, why? Why he did it again? Will he treated those guys well? Will it repeat again? Yeah, i'm not sure with him for day 1. Especially keita is there, i'm worried abt him. After all he's been through. And yeah, it's happen again. It's even worst. At least, he made mblaqpretty good, more properly. They had their own genre and style. Even lee joon have his own career as an actor. But not with chiiper. They just like copied other succesful bg, nothing unique and special. They didn't have their own color. Like people will forget them easily. It's such a shame when they had many potentials tho. But yeah..i never believe in rain at the first place tho. He doesn't suit to create a bg or manage a company when he's still busy when his own career. He should focus with one thing. At least learn 1 or 2 good things from his former producer, jyp. Pick his good knownledge. Why picked his habit that like to disbanded a good group?

[@jacquelinelugo5518]

MBlaq members are really careful when they talk about rain. But you can tell they kinda don't want to. Rain really could have mentored them and make them super successful. But he wanted the fame for himself more. Which sucks cause I know Mblaq's albums and let me tell you. If you liked their main track their B tracks are just phenomenal. Man I'm still upset about Mblaq

[@mysteriogaming478]

It’s a shame because I was really starting to like CHIIPHER

[@hyunbinsluvr]

ciipher* 🤍

[@yunjiya4964]

내가 말해줄께 비는 직접 2개의 그룹을 만들었어. 엠블랙은 비의 인지도로 인기를 끌었어. 하지만 비가 군대간 이후 다른 관리자로 넘어가면서 하락세가 되었어. 그 이후 2명이 솔로선언을 하면서 해체됐어. 싸이퍼는 3번째 앨범까지 많은 지원을 받았어. 비도 2-3년 뒤에 더 잘될거라면서 기대한다고 했어. 하지만 5년 열애금지를 어기고 팬들이 보는 sns에 데이트사진을 올렸고 그 뒤에 싸이퍼 sns는 멈췄어. 비는 아주 어렵게 데뷔하고 성공했기때문에 이해받지못했을거야. 결국 많은 멤버가 탈퇴했지만 나는 비를 비난하지않아. 한국에서는 싸이퍼를 너무 많이 홍보한다고 할정도로 비는 그들을 지원했어. 방치했다는건 전혀 사실이 아니야.

[@dj_nyx8903]

Am I the only one that first knew him from Ninja Warrior? Great film

[@the_goldengirl]

Rain is actually a villain here, he wants money and name, all those talents and career are gone because of him, I think these groups should have fought against rain And should sue him.

[@VIETNAMKOT]

Если бы можно было подать в суд за отсутвие мозгов, я бы подал заявление на тебя. Ты никогда не совершал ошибки?Или ты настолько идеален, что имеешь права так о нём говорить?Безобразие.Подумай, прежде чем писать, если есть чем думать. (Переводи теперь, умник)

[@debduttapathak8588]

​@@VIETNAMKOTsee what he said he absolutely true why would a CEO want all the spotlight of their groups I am not saying he is a bad guy he is a veteran in the kpop industry but not a qualified CEO/ manager, as a CEO he shouldn't be the one under all the spotlight attending all the events where there group goes , answering questions for them the groups can do it themselves

[@kimimiralte3787]

The lost potential of all these artists is what makes me disappointed!!!

[@azabujuban-hito8085]

Not hating him It's not his fault that mblaq's disbanded.

[@aliceimee]

Yeah I lively remember when Ciipher had before debut and ONF had comeback (and they were really on the succesful wave in that time), ONF was to appear on Weekly Idol show following their comeback. But because of Rain pulled some strings, the Ciipher had priority, even when they have not even debuted yet. ONF's was then on Weekly Idol like few weeks after their comeback.

[@justinle8787]

He should just step down as ceo if he still wants to be heavily active in the industry. Kpop has become so cutthroat that without a focused and passionate ceo, groups, even the company will fail