Why Germany is Souring on Immigration

[@SK-vw3in]

Taking immigrants without checking their background & their respect for democracy/rule of law is stupidest thing any country could've done.

[@srdjan455]

And how exactly do you check such things?

[@Diego-de6dq]

Practically background checks of some sort are possible, but to evaluate their respect of western norms is not realistic, and to base policy on it would be moronic.

[@srdjan455]

@@Diego-de6dq How are you going to do background checks on people from Afghanistan, Syria or Myanmar?

[@Deroxated]

You cant so you put education level or job criteria in place, Canada or NZ have done this for years with good results@@srdjan455

[@SK-vw3in]

@@srdjan455 1. Ban all illegal immigration. 2. Ask multiple questions regarding how they value democracy & western liberal values, after they applied through legal means. As per pew survey middle east countries' citizens has 80%+ support for theocracy as opposed to democracy. 3. Grant them residential permit not citizenship for say 5 yrs. Check their behavior / activities both in real life & online. 4. Any discrepancies & straight deportation.

[@thedawapenjor]

As an immigrant myself I just want to share 2 things. 1. Not all immigrants want to integrate. It saddens me when I see what I came to get away from follow me. Not all of us appreciate the freedoms we are given and are not nearly as tolorate. 2. Western nations can't help others if they don't help themselves.

[@StratosAkidemis]

No language classes for months, not issuing work permits, putting migrants in a heim far from town amongst themselves. Doesn't help with integration ..

[@SuperVenus1989]

That’s true, Indians and Latinos don’t want to interstate, they just like to stay in their bubbles.

[@pebblepod30]

Thanks, totally obvious common sense, lost on virtue signaling & neoliberal economic politicians (there neoliberal economic case of massive immigration, i.e. good for elites)

[@dain6250]

I think there is a difference between integrating and renouncing your previous culture completely. A lot of Europeans expect the latter and call it "integration". You travel to the US, a nation almost entirely composed of immigrants with the exception of the indigenous cultures, and you will see Italian neighborhoods, Irish parishes, Chinatowns, Hispanic communities, Muslim Mosques, Cajun quarters, and much much more. This all contributes to the wider American culture they have. Europeans need to learn that not everyone, in fact the majority of immigrants will probably never completely leave behind their previous tradition. They will just integrate it into the culture they have adopted as their new home.

[@-haclong2366]

My mother is an immigrant from a Caribbean country of African descent, most of my family members from mother's side either have 0 Dutch friends or are integrated and have Dutch husbands. My mother herself lives in a 98% White province and somehow the vast majority of her friends are also foreigners. The only foreigners I know with White friends tend to be married to Dutch people, like a Hindustani man with a Groninger wife, their children typically all speak Dutch and Low Saxon and married other White people. In the West of the country it seems like Dutch people are slowly going extinct, I live in a mostly White neighbourhood in a big city but almost all the children are of various foreign descent, mostly of the most recent migrants (Syrians, Iraqi's).

[@XoDecay]

I live in Austria and we are also cracking down on the refuge crisis. I have zero issues with someone from another country wanted to immigrate, but do it because you like the country, the culture, the language - NOT because you like the freebies that tax payers provide. If you don’t want to integrate, don’t immigrate!

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

However you made the Russians in 1945 go less hard on your nation, pray that some who know the trick are still there to make your people survive those `tolerant politics´.

[@shantyclips6358]

Someone from Afghanistan will never be able to integrate. Only people from European backgrounds. If you can tell them apart, they'll stay apart.

[@wolfgangselle4307]

@@shantyclips6358if this people came legally to Germany and they work here and pay tax and not doing criminal things I have no problem with it when they want not “ integrate “. So long they they respect our way of life.

[@jennifermaria7989]

First the US is bombing and exploiting Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, Egypt , Pakistan, African countries and many more and later Germany and other European countries have to correct the errors. The game started long before the crisis.

[@thefbat5847]

​@@shantyclips6358 Idk chief lots of brown people can integrate, especially ex Muslims and LGBT members

[@feuerfrei7070]

It is really bad in parts of germany where migration centers are placed. Lots of theft in small villages where everyone knew each other. Now filled with people who dont care about your home or stuff

[@hettanel4732]

If they do crime deport them!!

[@neneureb]

is it just me , or does the new rules sound like something that should have been done in the first place? It`s amazing to help out others, but one must make sure their own constituents are happy & well maintained. Taking action against those who break the law is even more important when it comes to immigrants!

[@Eagle-2210]

​@@julm7744We humans may all be the same, but certainly not our cultures. And because cultures are not all the same, these differences can cause problems.

[@boss_schmatze]

@@julm7744Humans are not the problem, 7th century fairy tale ideologies are.

[@ZenioDovgj]

@@julm7744 Who cares about skin colors? Probably you and people like you. Just understand that people from outside have different incompatible cultures. You think that you helping someone, but in reality you are exploited by masses of economic migrants who play victims, offer nothing, but demand a lot. Citizens must be the priority for government, not random migrants without valid cause for an asylum who broke all possible rules to get to a welfare state.

[@swedichboy1000]

How many have you taken into your household then mate?@@julm7744

[@TheBooban]

In the first place, we have immigration laws which these politicians broke! Nothing new needs be done except enforce the laws we have. Nobody in without a visa. Refugees get sent back when war is over. No passports. Very simple.

[@starfox300]

I know a Korean girl who came to Germany, she was a student and academic, yet she was kicked out when her visa was over. Yet we have countless people with permanent residence in Germany who do nothing. You can see them in some districts in Berlin, they can't speak German or English and just sit around

[@aixtom979]

That's exactly the problem that makes me mad. There are even hospitals that have to reduce capacity because their staff runs into bureaucratic visa problems and were kicked out. In my opinion everybody should be allowed to come to Germany and live here, as long as they don't break any laws and are able to support themselves through employment and pay taxes. As for refugees, when the "refugees" from an area consist mostly of young men that leave their parents, women and children at home, then they are not really "refugees". They come to Germany primarily to make money. So classifying them as refugees makes the problem *much* worse. Since refugees are not easily allowed to participate in the workforce, the welfare system has to support them. The system is nuts. A lot of them have a money available to pay to human traffickers. If the system would allow them to legally immigrate as workers, not as refugees, that money would allow them to support themselves for a few months while they look for a job. So it really is not a pro/contra immigration decision that has to be made, the way forward definitely should be a "pro legal immigration" and "anti illegal immigration" policy.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

it's the abberation of the judiciary that wont allow people getting kicked out if their country of origin is deemed "dangerous"

[@zurielsss]

The rich and democratic countries should form a union with freedom of movement of university graduates.

[@alexcool879]

That is really unfair

[@dave_sic1365]

​@@zurielsssand thats the Moment everybody starts studying liberal arts to become an academic and to profit off that

[@steffenberr6760]

I lived as an exchange student in Germany for a year. I am also from a western country and it was challenging enough for me to adapt to the country’s culture and language The idea that you can bring in millions of people without having big issues and problems is completely naive, and if you are “pro immigration” you need to have a plan in plan to handle these problems. Naively hoping that everything will magically work out is only going to fuel a backlash and labeling any kind of resistance to it as “bigoted” will only increase appeal of racist politicians who are more than happy to exploit peoples frustrations especially if there is no mainstream alternative for people to try to productively work out the issues of high levels of immigration.

[@AYVYN]

An intelligent comment. Did you try their raw meat? Haha

[@Alternatives_Universum]

Naivety is the right word. Merkel thought all humans work the same way as she and other Germans do. She didn´t understand that different cultures have completely different values and mentalities. In a way her way of thinking was stuck in a peaceful German mindset.

[@IGON_THE_DRAKE_WARRIOR-n2o]

Germans are defination of barbarism.@@AYVYN

[@trvst5938]

Germany and Europe as a whole did kill millions of mixed race people. Instead of deflecting they should be looking for solutions. The issue is right wing politicians resorting to 20th century propaganda to demonize civilians* who fled American/ European caused wars. Here in the US, people try to demonize Haitian civilians while being completely ignorant of the history destabilization of Haiti and the presence of American mercenaries. These super powers just don’t hold each other accountable for their war crimes and then expect civilians to find accommodation somehow. Read up on The Hague Act.

[@MetallicReg]

@@Alternatives_UniversumMerkel is from DDR - part of an Union were dozens of cultures were working closely together. So she thought it will work the same way - but it didn’t. SU had shared goals, ideology and an unified language. Nothing of those works with this type of migrants that flooded Germany.

[@peterbassey9668]

Im Nigerian, im not a migrant in any sense since i still live in my country and intend to do so for the rest of my natural life. But I've watched this madness unfold and marveled at the display of foolishness by the West. All that one needs to understand about migration is "how would I go about it if this was a stranger to my home?" The absolute same rules apply as you wouldnt throw your doors open to any suspicious character. Yet the West went about this for years now and stupidly thought nothing would go wrong. Im sorry but it may be too late to reverse the horrors that will befall you for this insanity. I pity also your tax-paying citizens who have unbeknownst funded this sacrilege and will yet be at the receiving end when the rot explodes in your faces. Can you imagine what you robbed your citizens of in order to fend for millions of ingrates?!?

[@DAMfoxygrampa]

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. Being kind to people is noble but you can't make yourself a martyr for them

[@FrederikEngelmand]

The west is the governments and they do not share the interests of its people. Trust or else this problem wouldnt have continued to this extend. As I see it. There is evil powers at play here using illegal immigrants as weapons against western countries. Next is Asia

[@TheBLGL]

My old neighbor was Nigerian (I live in the US). We still keep in touch with him, even went to his daughter’s wedding. They are hard-working nurses, and their kids are in college or high school. I don’t understand the problem with Nigerian immigrants like them, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. They tend to be upwardly mobile, at least in the US. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Terrorbrot]

And what exactly do you think happens if we stop taking in people? They won't simply stop trying to get here. And it creates conflicts elsewhere. Although I have to agree the way their immigration was/ is being handled is pathetic. You have those that try to contribute to society but aren't allowed in and those that are unwilling to accept our rules yet are being tolerated and thus constantly cause conflict.

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

Wise!

[@lunaskye621]

I remember attitudes towards refugees from then Middle East souring dramatically after the incidents of sexual assault and rape happening in cologne. I don’t fault the German people for their shift in attitude. I think even if it is the minority of people doing these kinds of negative things, the citizenry shouldn’t have to live in fear of attacks.

[@fintechtelugu6980]

Inshallah

[@Waebeii]

Is it the minority? Please show me where you get that fact from

[@GowthamV07]

Lol minority, About 90% of them are like this.

[@marvin2678]

@@Waebeii 25 percent of immigrants beinf rapist would still be a minority right ?

[@azarshadakumuktir4551]

@@Waebeii Number of immigrants of Germany/number of rapists and you have your maximum tally which is something like 1/10000, and this would be if all rapists were immigrants which is clearly not the case...

[@IrakleiosTheGreat]

One lesson for Europe: You don't burn your home just to keep the homeless warm.

[@bananenmusli2769]

very well said

[@jeckjeck3119]

Especially the homeless from Middle East.

[@Frankie._.164]

@@jeckjeck3119 And don't forget about the homeless from Africa also

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@jeckjeck3119dont burn someone's home then.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@Frankie._.164 We are better of getting people from Asia, hard work is part of their culture, and they are less religiously dictatorial. Revoke Asylum seeking from certain nations.

[@hydeks]

Want to know something sad? Even we Canadians are getting very sour on immigration, and its because it feels like they dont want to be Canadian, they just want a safe place to spread their hatred it seems. It really starting to make my country terrible, so I really feel for countries like Germany and Sweden for speaking out about the problems.

[@artman12]

Well, immigration worked well for Canada ruining relations with India because Khalistanis who immigrated to Canada and got Canadian citizenships care more about establishing Khalistan and threatening Indians and Air India flights instead of caring for their own country which they’re currently citizens of. Similarly, all the refugees the Canadian government accepted from the Middle East brought their cultural and religious baggage with them that they want to deliberately ruin Canada’s ties with Israel and threatening Hebrew people and institutions in Canada. So overall a great success. 😃👍

[@SuperVenus1989]

Canada is the last one to speak lol, you guys got more land than people. Depressing land. No immigrant is willing to stay there anyway, they find their way to better places like the US or somewhere in Europe. What does it even mean to be Canadian lol? Quebec is mainly made of jewish immigrants and well the rest is Asian and somewhat white, with sprinkles of minorities here and there. Canada got no identity buddy. It’s an immigrant land so don’t hop on the wave

[@Seth9809]

Even the French Canadians don’t want to be Canadian.

[@IloveTide1997]

@@Seth9809 what even is a Canadian? What do they look like? What language do they speak?

[@IloveTide1997]

Canada will be majority non-White soon. It's over for this country and you can thank immigration for that.

[@berry1669]

I left Germany for Canada in 1982 and was in Munich recently and was in shock how everything changed

[@tanayjoshi7269]

shock how? Do you see the immigration in Canada (mostly international students) better than the refugee crisis of Europe ?

[@gaygoslar2185]

It's disgusting

[@gaygoslar2185]

​@tanayjoshi7269 wrong. Not just student. Africa, mid east, India. It's disgusting. Vomit is too kind

[@marcomartins3563]

How much did things change?

[@khizard]

Yes, now you see the modern cars, mobile phones , communication devices, huge buildings and modern architectures. If you come back after 42 years you must be shocked. You are just a stupid.

[@alexandert.6501]

One aspect is missing, the Hessian CDU, campaigned especially on a very hard migration restriction platform, won the state elections and the SPD, which is traditionally strong in Hesse, pursued a migration-friendly course with the Federal Minister of the Interior as the leasing candidate and was absolutely destroyed in the election

[@MikeKojoteStone]

SPD was strong in Hessen until the 70. Then it was mostly CDU with only brief stints of SPD mixed in. Much like the Bundestag, in a way. Hessen has always been a rather conservative state. The very bad SPD result this time is mostly credited to Faser, who isn't too well liked by ... anyone.

[@srccde]

​@@MikeKojoteStone I don't think the SPD would've done much better with a different candidate...

[@MikeKojoteStone]

@@srccde Not MUCH better, but a little less bad, perhaps. I mean, they will actually win by becoming part of the gorvernment and replacing the Greens. So they shouldn't complain to loudly.

[@Kallikukurinn]

@@MikeKojoteStone Cope

[@zeronothinghere9334]

I didn't realize elections were happening. When was this?

[@EnteiIsDoge]

The difference between legal educated migrants vs illegal uneducated migrants and refugees cannot be overstated. The first camp is absolutely a net plus for Germany, the other camp not so much

[@Runenschuppe]

Immigration is - with few exceptions - a net detriment to Germany. It is largely used to avoid reform of a broken welfare state and to artificially suppress wages, giving companies the illusion they still don't have to pay fair, livable wages to their employees. Nearly all immigration is strictly into the welfare system (and in many cases through no fault of the immigrant), because entry level wages are far below welfare, nearly all jobs require employees to already be conversational in German and it takes months to years for working permits. None of which is told to the immigrants beforehand. On the contrary some get told (by varying sources), they'll have a job, a house, a car and a desperate German woman waiting for them - which never materialize. The current welfare system rewards criminality of all kinds and punishes honesty and hard work. And given that that is the starting point of all migrants who do not already have a job lined up before their arrival... yeah. Immigration is rarely a benefit.

[@notfunny3397]

It's a little dehumanising how you put refugees In with people who throw away their documents. Doesn't matter much anyway, where else do you think the middle Eastern refugees will go to while Germany and the EU keeps supporting Israel.

[@gfys756]

​@@notfunny3397Egypt.

[@hugoguerreiro1078]

​@@notfunny3397you have a ton of Muslim countries that aren't at war, why don't they just go there? Also, Israel didn't start the war, but they'll finish it. Go pound sand.

[@mikedresel731]

If samone is illegal, doesn't tell you samthing about,the qualification of that person.

[@sarmgoblin8482]

This also happened in Sweden, we turned from one of the safest countries to a country with a ton of shootings and explosions

[@val-schaeffer1117]

You chose migrants who are bottom feeders. You could have chosen better performing ones like Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese. But no, you purposefully chose the worst ones because the Asians aspire for middle class jobs within one generation. So do not act dumb and innocent.

[@ramumanickam1643]

Muslims?

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@ramumanickam1643 Who else?

[@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225]

​@@ramumanickam1643yes, muslims. Not only that muslim population is the one who commit more secual assault in Sweden

[@PopularesVox]

Shocking that this week it was announced that Sweden was experiencing its worst security crisis since 1945, with 30 times more shootings than cities like London.

[@IggyLazarevic]

I'm a doctor from Eastern Europe and I'm working towards living and working in Germany. I speak German on B2 level, preparing the C1 level exam (Fachsprachprüfung). I have a partner in Germany, but we can't be together for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. It's extremely frustrating to have to deal with so many obstacles, especially when I witness how some immigrants can easily stay here, get help from the country and all the benefits without ever actually wanting to become a functioning members od society (of course, there are many exemptions) while higly educated people who already speak German and have, to a great extent, integrated into Germany have to overcome so many obstacles with little to no help from the government. Not to mention the extreme waiting periods and tedious bureaucracy because the system is overloaded by people who just want to use it, but don't intend to give back in return. Many of my German friends are frustrated with this situation and it doesn't surprise that people are slowly changing their mind when it comes to immigration policies. P. S. Here's an example of how backwards the system is: I had an interview in a clinic regarding my future employment. I told then that I need to pass the C1 language test in order to work as a doctor. They told me it's ok, I can do a Pflegepraktikum with them for 6 months in order to prepare for the exam and get to know the health care system, and once I pass the exam, they'll keep me as a doctor. I got a contract, I would have a small pay, I had someone vouching for me (my partner), I paid private health insurance, I had B2 language level certificate, I had enough money on my bank account - and i STILL got denied a visa for a short 6 months period, even though I wouldn't have cost the country one cent. So frustrating.

[@randomgeneration-gu8dw]

Yes, this is the case in many immigrant-heavy Western countries. The skilled workers who come in legally often get the short end of the stick whereas those who are here illegally or have otherwise gamed the system to skip the line get to suck up tax-payer resources. I especially liked how I, a first-generation immigrant myself, got accused of being a racist bigot when I pointed out how this type of system can only collapse in the long run, particularly since our productive tax-base which pays for all these programs is shrinking (see: the silver wave) and that we must make changes to our policies. It's true Western nations have an inverted population pyramid and the only way to stave this off with any immediacy is with immigration. However, there are smart and stupid ways to go about this. Bringing in massive amounts of unskilled immigrants who cannot and will not ever become as productive as skilled immigrants is essentially a form of slow national suicide, but like I said: pointing out the obvious makes you a racist bigot, regardless of whether you are a POC and an immigrant yourself. I am honestly confused as to why so many white westerners seem to hate themselves and their own damn countries. Good god.

[@MithuN-h7m]

really bad situation in german. I feel the stupid german people love the illegal asylum beggars rather than educated and skilled people. I also received a job contract from a german employer who said that they will take care of the vis process and i dont dont need to worry about the visa process. I am a physiotherapist. But still i am highly tensed about the german bureaucracy which make things difficult for skilled people and makes it very easy for asylum beggars from middle east and north africa

[@MithuN-h7m]

dont spread fake news. Germany is in desperate need of asylum beggars from syria@BabaHugu

[@MithuN-h7m]

so if you tell germany that you are a gay, they give papers. do all syrians in Germany do the same@BabaHugu

[@captainbigos9267]

The reason for that is simple: The people in power WANT to flood Europe with hostile foreigners. You are not one of them, so you get no help.

[@MyILoveMinecraft]

It has just become to much. A look in the schools is enough. How are migrant children supposed to integrate themselves if they are the majority in their classes? Scaling immigration back is not only something we should do for ourselves, but also for the migrants already here. We got to digest what we put on our plate first, then we can think about taking more

[@Elemblue2]

The stories from the school are so horrific. The cute cuddly ideals of the previous generation are being obliterates there, as women live again in constant fear but get no help because its ok to be terrible to women if your certain ethnicities. Which is inherently racist, which racist people feed on. Its deeply ironic to pitch treating everyone as human and then not remember that all humans form groups and all those groups seek power with a total moral abandon if allowed. This isnt going to last until the next generation guys. The schools are nightmarish, and the children arnt buying any of this. Not when the ideals they are fed are a double standard. Seriously, screw double standards. Rule of law, and nothing else.

[@CS-ox9hn]

Funny enough, it's German girls and women who have the highest grades. Nice oppression you have there.

[@Seth9809]

In before it turns out the US takes in way more and has been for a long time.

[@patrick-bu3eq]

Too many immigrant kids especially from low SE families do indeed drag down a class not always intentional though and having in general too many children from any low SE group in one classroom is problematic. I think our problems might be much more black and white than we like to believe richVSpoor.

[@jennifermaria7989]

First the US is bombing and exploiting Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, Egypt , Pakistan, African countries and many more and later Germany and other European countries have to correct the errors. The game started long before the crisis. Germany always supported the US and now we are complaining.

[@Alwaysthere376]

My grandparents emigrated to Germany back in the 60's from Turkey and I'm just absolutely shocked about the mistakes our government did since 2014. There's nothing about being racist by saying that we need a heavily reduced, as well as controlled immigration. Usualy a country should know whom they allow to cross the border, but the waves of agressive, violant young arabic men is just unbelievable. Most of them just can not be integrated into the German society. Especialy those who literally are against western/ european values with their extreme religious world view should be send back to their home immediately.

[@neznamtija8081]

Some Germans would say this to ur ancestors as well… how the tables have turned 😂

[@El_Pollo_Loco]

@@Besthinktwice Unfortunately Germans hate Turkish immigrants and even the children of Turkish immigrants which are born and raised in Germany in the fifth generation but they show sympathy for any arabic immigrant with their 12 children from the marriage with the first grade cousin which cant even speak a sentence in German and have a extreme religious and Anti-Western (Anti-German) worldview. I don't know why they hate people with Turkish background that much but I think its never gonna change, unfortunately.

[@jasc4364]

So true.

[@notfunny3397]

They are refugees, you can't legally send them back. The US has military bases in Syria which are illegal and unwanted by the population, are you surprised they are escaping from being slaughtered

[@oubeidhajji3430]

This can be said about the turks as well from a misguided pov. I am a Tunisian who lives in Germany and the presence of Turkish organised crime is not to be ignored. This doesn't lead me to say that turks are radicals and criminals because it doesn't make sense, many of my associates are Turkish. Similarly, I obviously have many Tunisian friends and associates it's rare for me to come across some of the people you mentioned. I'm not saying they don't exist, but your framing tells a different story: "we turks are different than others"

[@jangroberde2822]

Impressive, as a German, this is better news coverage on the issue than from most media here.

[@MareenaJacob-kg7ct]

But you guys still need to fix your burecracy 😅

[@EllieD.Violet]

Lesen Sie nur die BILD?

[@tomashass9229]

@@EllieD.Violet Sie lesen wohl nur die SZ ?

[@MareenaJacob-kg7ct]

@@tomashass9229 bring in the indian christians or filipinos. Best model of immigrants in any country

[@EllieD.Violet]

@@tomashass9229 Nein, ich lese einen guten Querschnitt durch deutsche respektable Presse. Und die englischsprachige Presse. Und die franzoesische, spanische und italienische Presse. 😊

[@janisdinter3657]

As a German Thank you for this wrap up of this issue. Very focussed on detail with a lot of graphs and numbers. This way it's possible to make for your own oppinion off of actual facts and not just feelings and political agenda. It says a lot about the way this issue is handled in German media that I need a foreign channel to get these informations.

[@Guitar6ty]

Same crap in the UK.

[@Rildar]

@@Guitar6tyGet rid of Sunak and Yousaf! Why are you guys being run by people who aren’t British! The UK belongs to the Anglos and the Celts!

[@olafsigursons]

What I would like people to understand is criticizing the immigration politics of your country is not the same as criticizing immigrants, it's not racism.

[@dave_sic1365]

The Media and the left see that different. They will do everything to destroy your live or smear your Reputation.

[@bobbylee6859]

@olafsigurson5333 you can criticize the stupid immigrants that ignore laws, customs, and are given free passes by your government. From what I hear they allow them to r*PE women, be thieves, sell rats and wild unclean animals as food, beat people.up on busses, roam in gangs and attack innocents. None of that is racist, these people are just stupid.

[@Grothgerek]

Depends. Most people that vote for the AfD are racist or ignorant. If you want to solve a problem, you don't ask the people that proposed shooting people. People claim, its about migration policies, but in reality they ust hate migrants, even if it means giving up the the stability of the state.

[@daylightmoon7285]

It is not racism either to criticize young, foreign men who play the victim while joining gangs or foreign women having babies to collect gov't money. It is OK to be white and it is OK to have opinions when immigration isn't working out.

[@idudheebsbzdudbdhddh]

soyboy@@Besthinktwice

[@MovieMenno]

Good Europeans deserve a homeland where they can be safe

[@unbelievableHoruz]

then they shouldn’t have fucked up the borders everywhere

[@MW_Asura]

@@unbelievableHoruz Irrelevant to this time

[@unbelievableHoruz]

@@MW_Asura no

[@learnlanguages1916]

and others dont ??

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

@@unbelievableHoruzAnd especially Europe should deport first who are moreover ungrateful...

[@wigwam3270]

We told them this would happen in 2015. They called us “racist” and “without sympathy”. Time always has a way of proving the truth. 😂

[@ChrisGrump]

Still racist.

[@Gambit771]

Tldr would have called you racist until a couple of weeks ago. He only thinks what main eu countries thinks.

[@maxave7448]

@@ChrisGrumpIts not racist to do something about people who come to your country, unwilling to integrate into society and accept their values. There are people who are willing to integrate, get a job, and become useful members of society, and there are parasites. These people are also unfortunately becoming a stereotype for immigrants, which only gives actual racists something to cling on to.

[@mynamemyrules7528]

​@@ChrisGrumpew i smell an immigrant

[@milchi5122]

@@ChrisGrump racism is a virtue when it comes to your type

[@ClemensAlive]

As a German, living in Berlin, it was crazy to see all these Ukrainians standing in line at Berlin's main station last year - and it continued for WEEKS. I was like global politics in front of your own eyes. It's also crazy if you think about it: Germany is (obviously) highly sensitive to antisemitic acts - welcomes refugees - that then start antisemitic acts. oh man...

[@amalgama2000]

Ukrainians and anti-semetic acts? Electing a Jew as a President, having a Jew as a previous PM? Yeah, sure, try harder Russian bot

[@hanipasha8859]

Germany for Germans...the Austrian painter

[@alanrobertson9790]

Migration is a problem if the groups coming don't integrate and have an identity hostile to the host nation. Doing so is a long term problem and not worth any cheap labour in the interim.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

having german authorities and talking heads doing everything they can to erase german identity didn't help either

[@alanrobertson9790]

@@delfinenteddyson9865 The mystery is why people voted for those politicians. Some people have a naïve view of the world. Unfortunately when this view is shown to be wrong its everybody that suffers the consequences.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@alanrobertson9790 I guess the downside of growing up in a pacified and wealthy country makes you blind to the ills of the world

[@chunkykong1976]

@@alanrobertson9790I don’t know if it’s in germany too but here in NL we have a kieswijzer which is basically a few questions to see which party alignes with you the most, but lately these kieswijzers have had questions in which the answers could be interpreted to be both right or left. leading to people being recommended far left parties which they most of the time don’t even agree with.

[@hungrymusicwolf]

@@alanrobertson9790Because of the naive belief of many people that "all humans are the same so we should show them love and compassion", while ignoring the reality on the ground that people are not the same. Our cultures and beliefs can cause some serious damage to the community and society at large.

[@itskyansaro]

Germany should have put an emphasis on Education levels and a obligation to learn german fast in the first place.

[@voiceofreason2674]

Germans don't even speak German.

[@huckleberryfinn6578]

@@voiceofreason2674 Interesting. What language do we speak then?

[@itskyansaro]

@@voiceofreason2674 I'm scratching my head. What do you mean?

[@thegamingwolf5612]

​@@huckleberryfinn6578arab

[@maroosagaming]

according to a few friends i have from there, they speak broken muslim german mix which is garbage

[@keyboarddancers7751]

"Never saw that coming" said nobody at all.

[@cmdrpain_]

being german it feels like I am living in a foreign country

[@SugiSeufz]

Being German, I can't confirm that.

[@mrlegkick91]

Same if you're French or English. This shit had to stop

[@francescodeluca8022]

We are telling this since 15-10 years. You people called us racist ! You want a medal now ? P.s. tell your government and evangelic church to stop giving money to NGO's for bring more immigrant in Italy. We don't need illegals from NGO boats

[@NSJ09]

@H-jb4tf Id wager to say that the natives would have said the same when the europeans had arrived

[@stephentontz3853]

Be sure to strongly support politicians who want to stop immigration and expell immigrants that got in.

[@DutchDesires]

8 years ago I lost my dad, the man literally worked himself to death, working 16 hours a day. Because my mom passed away many years prior, his retirement fund went to the state. I was kicked out of the house, despite being able to pay the mortgage. Ppl under 21 aren't allowed to have a mortgage. When I applied for a social rent home with urgency my application was denied. With 15k to my name, I became homeless at 18yo. The reasoning for the denial was that my dad had bought a home, so it must have had remaining value. Therefore I could easily pay for a hotel, the government lady said. Never felt so cheated by my own government. Meanwhile me and my dads taxes and his retirement fund were being used to get asylum seekers here, pay for their houses which I couldn't get and so on. How can one explain this? Now 8 years later I have my own place, a well paying job and I'm currently looking to immigrate to Poland or South Africa myself. As I don't want another penny of my taxes to be wasted by those morons.

[@lucasmcguire1554]

South Africa has been getting really bad recently, would not recommend moving there

[@RollerBaller]

You're welcome to come to Poland. Learning the language will take a long time, but the local fauna and flora is absolutely beautiful.

[@izzyrov5814]

I'm so sorry to hear that...Yes, the system in Germany is so broken, we also want to immigrate somewhere else. High taxes are just wasted on people who don't deserve it.

[@salvatoremaglione6398]

​@@lucasmcguire1554Immigrating to SA was a better choice in the 60s/70s/80s.

[@DutchDesires]

@@RollerBaller amazing country actually! My steph mother is from there. I can speak the language a little bit, writing however is a real challenge indeed!

[@thndr_5468]

No country is obliged to take in strangers and shaming them for not doing so will not change their minds. Every country should be allowed their own policies and stances

[@FischerNilsA]

Well..... Every country that - has its own asylum laws, - joined the EU human rights treaty with included asylum rules, - or joined the Geneva UN asylum convention ..... _kinda_ has to. Take in people in need of protection from dire harm. Scarcely any of those states really does. But formally all who dont want to, should consequently leave those treaties. Otherwise they break their own legal commitments. Problem is : those rules and treaties where written before globalization and modern tech made it possible for giant number of people to move around.

[@tirididjdjwieidiw1138]

@@FischerNilsAif the people don’t want it, we shouldn’t be obligated to, much less forced to. Isn’t that what democracy is about?

[@FischerNilsA]

​@@tirididjdjwieidiw1138 Sometimes democracy and state of law/human rights are impossible to align. Thats why things like basic rights and process of law where invented after all - because democracy or majority interests sometimes go against what we feel are fundamental human rights. I´m not arguing either way here. Just pointing out the fracture lines. That we as rich western and northern societies can either keep to those humanist rules we gave ourselves - or decide to abandon them and keep migrants from trying to find survival with us. The migration movements will not stop. They will expand over the coming decades. Hard. With climate change making the globes areas where currently 1-3 billion people live uninhabitable, that development will swell far beyond what we see now in the coming decades. And the question wether we allow them to survive with us, thereby fundamentally changing our societies? Or decide to block those mass movements by any means neccessary to keep millions of desperate people out, or let them die where their life is no longer possible? Will have to be made. I have my personal idealist hopes that humans will try to save other humans. But I fear it will mostly go the other way - that fear and xenophobia will drive societies to violent isolationism. If one thinks consequently about those developments? Its either give up on moral basic rules. Or decide to let people who cant survive under the conditions they suffer from die. While using drastic measures to try and stop their survival-driven movements. There really is no practical middle way. And make no mistake: Seeing how already tens of thousands drown in the mediterranean or die in the texan desert trying to make it to the US? It doesnt look like humanism and saving desperate folks is currently winning. With migration fear and the rise of xenophobe political movements, most societies have already decided to rather kill people than endure them coming to our socities. And as of now its not even an existential question for us, for the moment its just about fear of suffering living standards and demographic shifts.

[@daylightmoon7285]

The Elites in Brussels wanted to strong arm European countries into taking in immigrants without limits or rules. If Europe needs cheaper workers or younger workers, then do what Moslem countries do. In the UAE, 9 out of 10 residents are guest workers with a contact allowing for their work and residency. They also do this in Saudi Arabia. There is no need to give them state benefits for free. These "guest" workers are satisfied with the agreement which doesn't promise them citizenship nor do they expect citizenship. It's not necessary. In the case where they are fleeing from war, it is good to give them residency but there is no need to give them citizenship. They can return home after the war if possible. If not, they can stay as "guest" workers.

[@HNedel]

90% of those people get their asylum claims denied, yet can stay forever and after 18 months get full social benefits - housing, healthcare, child money.

[@Jennyeq]

My German friends are now too scared to go out at night - 10 years of migration has turned their town from safe, friendly, liberal and low crime to divided ghettos of extremism, crime and rape....

[@dasein1458]

It's good. They should be, they created this mess, they were blaming all the other countries and putting themselves in morally superior position, schooling all the other countries on "openness and tolerance". They decided to show the example and lead the energy transformation, to befriend russia and to take migrants. And there was and still is enormous support for all that in german society. They are responsible for it, they are choosing it.

[@xerron698]

Its called cultural enrichment

[@unbelievableHoruz]

which town

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@xerron698 Just don't accept anyone from Middle East.

[@upstar21t]

Town name?

[@batu8400]

I also experienced something like this a lot as a Swiss person with a background in migration (Both my parents are from Turkey and I was born in Switzerland, as a result of immigration, who gained citizenship at birth). My father has been working restlessly to integrate himself into the culture & rules of the country to gain citizenship and has spent majority of his life in the country since he was 20-ish years old. But I see a huge difference from the new wave of immigrants who refuse to integrate themselves, refuse to speak the local language, refuse to seek higher education & continue living off of taxpayers money despite the given opportunities and privileges. This doesn't apply to everyone but it is very prominent compared to what you see, let's say, 40 years ago. And add a housing crisis on top of that and rising inflation +other factors etc., it becomes harder to manage which also makes it understandable to as why the immigration laws are getting stricter. Younger people around my age and younger(16-25ish) tend to dislike the country they are living in, and I don't see as in why that is the case. But this is something germany should have been done years ago. The resources aren't endless and they also need to set their boundaries. Majority of immigrants around this time would be better off outside of western countries in my opinion, we cannot bear it for many reasons. I'm proud of German individuals for finally standing up for themselves.

[@DennistheMenace2011]

I live in the US. Completely agree with you. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I also believe that, like charity, "humanitarian obligation" begins at home. Take care of your own people first! The whole can see we have a lot of illegals that have come through the southern border especially during this idiotic president's administration, and a huge proportion of them are unaccounted for. We are in for a long rough ride in the coming years.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

@karamation I worked in Germany in the 1980s. Mainly with Turkish and Yugoslavia n guest workers. Maybe like your father. ? They ALL worked. None of them demanded a free home and Welfare . They probably had hard times but eventually they settled in. The refugees (!) we get now are nothing like that !!

[@batu8400]

@2msvalkyrie529 Exactly. My father was one of the hard-working individuals. I wholeheartedly agree with you. He did not have it easy, but that is where the issue is. Refugees during these years get everything, welfare, shelter, food, money, all of that without having to work, that is good but it shouldn't be given for years without requiring them to contribute to the country. I am sad and disheartened that my father had to go through this since I know that he'd work & integrate himself regardless of what welfare he got.

[@Kelpie-sb5bi]

The reasons we have none of these obvious laws in place already is because of ”humanists” and socialist groups constantly stopping much needed basic legislation regarding these things, and in many cases changing and removing already existing legislation. It all basically stems from marxism and ”anti-racism”.

[@puppets.and.muppets]

you were an immigrant / migrant. they are just travellers wanting a free lunch. a huge difference.

[@sandoristar7597]

It was about time, even though the measures are need to be more strict. People who immigrate to a country MUST oblige to that countries laws and customs.

[@finn2485]

@@Besthinktwice Verbrechensstatistik "crime statistics"

[@MrCmon113]

No, they don't. Part of the good of people moving around is retarded customs being changed. When I'm in a different country, I laugh as their stupid customs, so they become ashamed and change them.

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@finn2485lol

[@sqlexp]

Germany is now trying to relocate their illegal immigrants to other EU countries.

[@ilovethefreezespell6531]

@@Besthinktwicekick Fatima and Ahmed out

[@nunyabusiness8000]

I’ve been saying this for a long time that Europes terrible migration policies would only make its residents resentful and cause a rise in nationalist and far right sentiment. People are reactionary and when they’re made to feel unsafe and they’re concerns are ignored it’s only predictable the end reaction

[@yves2932]

Thats what the deluded open border folks dont want to hear. The longer they wait to acknowlege there's an issue the worse the backlash will be. They can look at Sweden and Denmark to see what their options are. The outcome will be one of the two, with the Swedish one beeing more likely.

[@virabrox3264]

Everything is a political game. On the back is only clan interests.

[@samiazaffar7096]

Exactly this immigration crises especially from Muslim countries have brought these countries on there knees. Now they think enough is enough and they are absolutely right

[@coracora161]

Chegou num ponto que os nacionais estão sendo mortos, violados e presos. Obvio que isso não dara certo.

[@User_5tjk42gj9]

I hope theres a rise in far right nationalism europe-wide. Then we can build the utopia we wanted.

[@SR-pr2xz]

It's not a U-turn until they send all the freeloaders back. I came here in 2000. It was not very foreigner friendly but by 2005 Germans had started becoming much more open and welcoming. By 2010 it was a great place and the Germans (younger Gen) seem to be moving into the local gov jobs making life much more easier. Sadly since 2015 I have only seen a massive detriment to society. Everyone I know, knows at least one person (if not directly effected themselves) who has been on the receiving end of this diversification. Ironically if you arrive on a tourist visa anywhere in the west with a recent criminal conviction, you will be denied entry on public interest grounds, yet say commit serious crimes and don't receive hard sentences nor are they deported. Most of them don't attend their integration courses. Only do what is necessary to keep the benefits coming. All of them have expensive kit, iphones, shoes, etc. not like the Cambodian and Vietnamese refugees I grew up with.

[@leoym1803]

people are racist, you move in you move in, you're tolerant of others like yourself others like yourself move in, you become racist you become racist, you try to ban others like you from moving in Tale as old as time

[@KupoxChan]

Sometimes the reason, why those people are still here is just because their home countries don't take them back. Only 20% of the people who should be deported will actually be deported in the end. The government now tries to make deals with their home countries, but it's difficult

[@SR-pr2xz]

@@KupoxChan the reason is, they destroy their documents and don't provide the info for the gov to be able to get new travel docs. a tent city on an island in the north sea would soon change that attitude

[@xmine08]

@@KupoxChan I think that Germany cares too much. Oh no, that country doesn't take you back? Welp, no financial aid for that country it seems, we need that money to support your people over here. We're simply past the point of being nice - We tried, it failed.

[@SR-pr2xz]

@@xmine08 they can't take you back if you don't have travel documents. and if the person doesn't provide the information to enable issuing the travel documents, they can't be sent anywhere. even if it is known which country they come from

[@wishingonthemoon1]

As an american woman living in austria and who previously worked in Germany, I can tell you, while in Germany, I was harassed almost daily (i am not exaggerated) by middle eastern/African men-and even followed on more than one occasion. In austria, an already socially conservative country by my american standards, it’s becoming almost as bad. I’m harassed etc constantly by these people. My friend is an elementary school teacher in Salzburg, and she teaches 100% first generation kids in her school (she works with kids ages 10-15). She tried to teach the Muslim girls, as young as ten and already in hijab and burka, women’s rights and independence. They tell her if they don’t marry at 18, they will go to hell. They don’t play during recess, they aren’t allowed on field trips-the Muslim boys are of course. She says some of the boys threaten her, she says some of them are bigger than her already and say they don’t listen to women. Please listen to these stories

[@LuckysLair]

I was last in Salzberg in 2006, how sad to hear it is now suffering with such things now

[@LOTHARINGRICK]

Well get more than, Islam will support your culture greatly.

[@nightthemoon8481]

as a muslim in the eu (poland), this isn't germany souring or restricting immigration, it's just them starting to fix the issues cause by their mishandling of mass influx of unchecked syrian refugees, and it's literally only aimed at criminals and those that are refusing to become useful members of society, if a country is gonna let you into their land unconditionally and even give you free money, free housing, free education then you have to at least learn the language and get a job

[@davidgreen6490]

After the events of 7th October in Israel, the population of muslims in Europe is going to be vastly reduced.

[@gilgameschvonuruk4982]

Why did you immigrated to Poland instead of western Europe?

[@Lynn.-_-.]

@@gilgameschvonuruk4982 He might be a native.

[@nightthemoon8481]

I have a lot of polish friends so it seemed like the best choice, I might try germany or something in my later years of uni (i speak german), but poland has been pretty cool so far, and learning polish has been a fun challenge tbh. @@gilgameschvonuruk4982

[@sovietunion7643]

they shouldn't be a controversial opinion. forcing certain standards to be met and kept while in a country, especially when you are being paid by said government to get on your feet is paramount. the most unfortunate problem is that, as always, certain personality types just abuse goodwill, so of course there was going to be people with no intention of assimilation or even legal status green card, and just wanted a more affluent place to live and a welfare check, and unfortunately several german governments naively thought this wouldn't happen.

[@beatjunkybg]

It's interesting that these so called "desperate people who seek refuge from war and famine" never stay in the poorer countries, they just pass on their way to the wealthiest ones like Germany, Scandinavia etc... Desperate people aren't picky like that

[@Picardspassword]

depserate people can't get help from other desperate people... this is obvious, come on, your perspective is so infantile

[@malogibeaux4946]

85% of all refugees are welcomed by intermediary/poor revenue nations (source: UN bureau of statistics)

[@fleur5782]

I understand your point, but who tf goes from a fucked up country to another fucked up country?

[@beatjunkybg]

@@fleur5782 Which country in Europe and the EU is that fucked up? We all like to complain, but compared to Afghanistan or Syria... even the worst European country is a literal heaven on Earth

[@fleur5782]

@@beatjunkybg Aaa sorry, I thought you were suggesting they'd migrate to other 3rd world countries and stuff, but yeah, you're right 💀

[@julienf2301]

7:00 It is funny to see the CDU rising around questions regarding 1) immigration 2) Russia while 1) the wave of immigration they are pointing their finger at comes from the policies defined by Merkel 2) Merkel encouraged economic relations with Russia and reliance on their gas

[@copeandseethe9279]

The CDU aren't really gaining much support though. They're up about 3 points from the last election. It's just that the SPD have crashed in support

[@louisborn4362]

The CDU really doesn't like Merkel despite her being the former Chancellor 😂😂😂

[@mori1bund]

The CDU is acting like they weren't in power for 16 years and aren't responsible for pretty much all the problems Germany has right now... 😂😂🤣🤣

[@JudenimBlutrausch]

The CDU means Christliche Demokratische Union Deutschlands which is freaking hilarious because all the chancellors were Jews except of Adenauer and Schröder which is a fcking crime against humanity if you ask me.

[@bobabuffett]

Merkel just continued Schroeders policies, who was from SpD

[@michaelgreen1515]

Something important to understand about people found to not be correct asylum seekers (and thus techically waiting for deportation) is that these people can be the people that the actual asylum seekers were seeking asylum from!

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

Wise words, but to get a job in our GOV you must be deaf to exactly such truisms!

[@L3FT2BURN]

I was speaking to a German social worker and he was telling me how surprised he was at how resistant to integration this new wave of migrants are. I don't know if its a 'new wave' thing, or people from the first who are dragging their heels through the system but I reckon there's maybe a feeling of unappreciation. Add to that recent hate crimes by migrants and yeah, its soured

[@lucmeijboom]

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that because of the large groups of immigrants coming in, there is no more need to adjust because people can surround themselves with people from the same cultural background and language. Why put effort in learning the language and German customs when you can easily avoid it and surround yourself with what you already know?

[@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225]

Illegal migrants, speciall araba illegal migrants and muslims have a mentality of an invader. They want to establish Sharia Law and take away your rights at the same time they want to establish a theocratic regime in Germany and all of Europe. It is naive to believe they can integrate. We need to deport them all

[@jellianjamin7593]

Me and some female co-workers of mine had some unpleasant experiences with some foreign students as well. We noticed that male students from patriarchic countries refused to talk to us and rather turned to our male colleagues or that they treated us quite disrespectfully. We probably found a solution to this problem but I was quite shocked that people who are so ignorant to inform about German work culture come here to study and act that way. However, this is a minority and most foreign (also males) are nice and respectful.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@lucmeijboom this could’ve easily been avoided if refugees were dispersed enough of others like them around to feel welcome and to talk about issues they specifically face while not having so many you basically make a jewish ghetto where they can isolate themselves and now theirs going to be a cycle refugees form ghetto like places isolate themselves and refuse to integrate those that do want to integrate face issues of stereotypes and negative perceptions burning them making them believe that they shouldn’t integrate and now germans start developing ill feelings because these people dont want to integrate ect ect

[@Elemblue2]

@@lucmeijboom If you leave a place and then are surrounded by the exact people from that place, you wont change. Integration only works using social pressure.

[@naarutv5402]

Finally, it looks like Europe is starting to wake up. It may be a bit late, but who knows.

[@ilikenika]

Decade too late , maybe drastic actions can revert this damage

[@bobbylee6859]

Europe has been doomed since Christopher Columbus came to the Americas, that was the start of the fall of Europe. They should have left too.

[@Pedgo1986]

Its just blip this are not things that can be solved by politician sadly as history show us many times before this are things that are solved by mob and is always bad and ugly.

[@EnderCorePL]

Hopefully not too late to stop the right-wing parties from taking over with this single issue.

[@Pedgo1986]

@@EnderCorePL it is too late pendulum was swinged too far left and now it will come back even more far, we can see rise of right wing parties around the globe and this is left doing. Iam not going to comment of its good or bad it is what it is new cycle as many many many times before but this process was hastened by left wing ram headed politics almost at level of fascist social engineering and this never worked before and will not work it only grow resentment in population even without real issue even if its good because is imposed by force and then people go into opposition by default.

[@Yem6]

This is exactly what the right wing factions of the time said would happen

[@pagatryx5451]

And we were called racist for it.

[@MaximLeneschmidt03]

I live in Germany, it‘s awful with the immigrants nowadays….

[@serenitygilles7064]

One of the reasons I was thinking about moving from US to Germany because of this issue here in the states with the violent migrants...hrmmm

[@Toni-uc7wt]

This is the biggest mistake of chancelor merkel accepting migrants not knowing the attitude of these people from other countries.what they gave you? Violence, rape your women, disrespect your people your government..

[@Victorvondoom9159]

​@@serenitygilles7064in the US the citizens are actually more violent then the immigrants(an illegal south American immigrant commits less crime then an African American on average), in Europe it's the contrary with the immigrants being much more criminal then the natives still from a statistical point of view Europe is still much safer on average, but from what I understand the US is more segregated then Europe so you get areas with sky high crime and and areas that are very safe in europe it's more uniform

[@ronaldschultenover8137]

That is what my family in Germany says

[@AeSyrNation]

Hot take: There's a very large difference between ukrainian refugees and refugees from the Middle East/ africa. Ukrainians are culturally more similar to other countries in europe, thus being able to assimilate easier and quicker.

[@LS5D]

Thats obvious. Those two million Ukrainians? You dont notice them. However guess who you do notice.

[@Artorias1234]

@@LS5D One does notice them, they are causing a lot of car crashes and don't have to pay for insurance, raising insurance prices for german drivers. People from MENA just commit way worse things.

[@felixmustermann790]

not culturally, but in terms of values in the society they are way more compatible

[@Artorias1234]

@@felixmustermann790 oh definitely, just saying that they aren't invisible angels or something, there's still friction here and there

[@AeSyrNation]

@@felixmustermann790 values are a part of culture overall

[@axelamps1279]

Because if you import other cultures, you also import their problems. If life here (UK, France, Germany etc) wasnt so much better, nobody would be trying to get here, and that is precisely why we must protect it.

[@YouYou-sm8tf]

Our leftist think Europe will always be a good and safe place after importing millions people from various countries, cultures, mentality and problems. Culture clash, crime rate, segregation, comunautarism, hate crime,.....will increase once the welfare system is cut.

[@mariosvourliotakis]

I think this is fair, I want to study in Germany and possibly migrate afterwards and I still think its understandable. These countries are offering you a massive opportunity (atleast given my country's current state) so the least you can do is learn their language and have a good educational background to offer them something in return. Why should they let you in if you have nothing to offer and live off their backs or even cause trouble for everyone?

[@Alex-df4lt]

I wonder what country you're from?

[@Joey099]

@@Besthinktwice how is this the conclusion you came to? he is saying immigrants are supposed to contribute not leech and that he wants to be one that contributes where is the hypocrisy? that he is an immigrant?

[@mariosvourliotakis]

@@Joey099 not even an immigrant yet, I just want to study classical music in Germany because a grand piano in Germany probably costs more than all the pianos of my music school here combined lol. If it works out, only then I will stay, I'm not dead set on leaving my country, it's not an easy decision..

[@robertpaz9321]

Same for me, I am from Venezuela

[@PPfilmemacher]

@@Besthinktwice Wow, your reading comprehension skills are just disastrous! It’s seriously impressive how twisted and far away from reality you’re conclusion of this comment is … I’m really intrigued and curious, where did you go to school and what is your actual level of education?

[@bompingdatwomper]

So no one gonna mention what happened in cologne on the new years eve back in 2016?

[@Jordan-gh4wm]

Was that when a peaceful husband walked cut off and around with part of his wife and no one did anything

[@bompingdatwomper]

@@Jordan-gh4wm no, the mass SA by immigrants after the PM disastrous immigration policies

[@usa1mac]

Imagine a German politician worrying about Germans and this being controversial.

[@krisdaschwab912]

By and large, most (insert nationality here) politicians who run on "worrying about (insert nationalities here)" are just colossal pricks who only care about lining their pockets and/or taking total control.

[@ltd7705]

i remember that painter

[@gaminiabeysinghe6212]

Imagine the failed artist returns now . He would definitely hate this modern Germany which has become a cesspit of multiculturalism

[@Vinetio]

@@ltd7705 Pretty impressive considering the comparison displays a total lack of brain cells

[@Henrik-fr2rp]

@@ltd7705the painter is from Austria

[@quaissag368]

Something I heard of a immigrant about immigrants which they said to him "I am not stupid and therefore I am not working for Germans". It made him angry that other immigrants think like that. Some just come for the money.

[@djp1234]

Last time I went to Germany, I realized why Germany is souring on immigration.

[@lawtraf8008]

why ?

[@djp1234]

@@lawtraf8008 a lot of people who don't like Europe and don't want to be Europeans.

[@judyskinner254]

thank you for your honesty

[@sanatanipandit1166]

​@@djp1234thats what happens when you teach your people That you are inferior z That's exactly what India was doing but now we rising middle class don't take These Wine sipping historians seriously

[@soprano7088]

Cryyyy

[@merledietrich9168]

It was ridiculous to have taken in all of these people in the first place . Now you have to deal with such a stupid choice.

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

It wasn't stupid: It was selfish, the corrupted establishment stayed in power to their deaths, and now the successors have to face the problems and resolve them. Which will be easier with empty funds, right?

[@jean-emmanuelrotzetter6030]

Not simply ridiculous. There is left and "green" politics that want to impose Europe a "multicultural" society. That has never really worked without major problems - as the communist "progressive" societies did not work. And the "liberal" political establishment wants immigration to keep wages for workers low. Merkel worked mainly for big business in Germany.

[@amegam4705]

It’s pretty clear why. You walk around town, listen to people speak and you will hear 50% german and 50% Arabic,Turkish,Persian,Russian,Polish,Kurdish etc. the cultural difference is also quite annoying, as migrants from the Middle East or first generation Germans with parents from those countries are (in general) quite loud and vocal, which is bad manners in public. Personally I’m from one of the big towns in Germany and in some places, when you walk around it won’t feel like Germany. May as well be in Syria. Also, the German government has done a terrible job making immigrants integrate. No one is really forced to. I have worked with people who came here 20+ years ago, barely speak any German and don’t know how to behave „properly“. And obviously immigrants won’t force themselves to integrate, it’s much easier to just stick to what you know.

[@scarba]

I’m Scottish and been living in Germany since the 1990s. Integration has to be from both sides. You have to make the effort to learn the language and work etc but Germans have to start correcting people’s grammar in a friendly way and teach people how to behave in a casual way. This also applies to schools and kindergarten. Kids should be expected to integrate but they don’t. My daughter has been rejected by immigrants every time she has tried to be friends with someone because they don’t/won’t mix with Germans although she’s only half German herself. These kids should be forced to sit next to German kids and to play with them in the playground. At the moment they segregate themselves which is easy to do in some cases when there are only a few Germans in the class in some parts of cities.

[@MetalGuitarTimo]

@@scarba they are muslims what do you expect? we are their filthy enemies. they will never want to sit next to us

[@nerida3347]

I could not care less about what language I hear tbh

[@MetalGuitarTimo]

@@nerida3347 in your own country you dont want people to talk in your language? Wtf.. they could talk and laugh about you, plan to murder you, and you wouldnt even notice. How stupid are you?

[@andyjeffrey9590]

It’s sad what Merkel has done to Germany

[@jeckjeck3119]

Markel had a good idea, what she didn't account for is how the system would be abused by the unworthy.

[@roussounmanman]

*Europe

[@dingus6317]

Women should not be in politics or voting they rely on their hearts instead of their heads

[@KupoxChan]

She is the daughter of a pastor. She just meant well. Also I still remember how welcoming people have been, when the first refugees in 2015 arrived at the Frankfurter main station. So it's not just Merkel. People wanted to help.

[@mike4480]

Merkil also made the mistake of cosying up to 🇷🇺 gas , Nord stream gas pipelines… and pulling away from Nuclear energy..which 🇷🇺 wanted…

[@Jennifer-uh8th]

This is very fair, as an Austrian whose roots are from Nigeria, it’s not possible for certain groups of ppl (especially strict religious ones), especially those who oppose the western/European culture, to integrate. We can’t and shouldn’t accept that! My parents immigrated from Nigeria to Austria in the late 90s, worked their asses off, learned German asap, did an education (Ausbildung) and are very thankful the opportunity they received living in Austria. That’s how it should be.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Yes Jennifer .! It's actually the ingratitude that annoys people . The outrageous sense of entitlement that these new " refugees " display. They quite openly say how much they despise the Culture and History of the host country while living in a free apartment and Welfare cheques !! Unbelievable !!

[@stijnvdv2]

I'm sorry to say, but we humans are herd animals. We always react the same on the same set of trends, hence boom/bust cycles in the economy. And when the economy is down, lot more competition on the jobs that are left and you always without a doubt are gonna see anti-immigrant sentiment rise due to competition on the labormarket. And I don't know if you noticed, but Germany is facing de-industrialisiation as a result of fucking up their energy supply, courtesy of Merkel closing and demolishing all the nuclear energy reactors and the US giving the final shot bombing the North-Sea pipeline.

[@LyonPercival]

@@stijnvdv2 …no, it’s not simply “competition in labor market.” Do you not understand the national security of planting a FOREIGN POPULATION within your own soil that DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY??? A large number if these people are only there for the money, they will get citizenship for that, but in their hearts and minds they will destroy this country in a heartbeat for the sake of their religion and roots. They should have never been allowed in the first place…. Now they will cry victimhood and racism - after benefitting so much from the Western ideals they hate so much.

[@aelix56]

People really don't understand that just because they immigrated doesn't mean that they respect the culture or the country.

[@bletrick3352]

You'll never be Austrian. Also Nigerians shouldn't be in Austria. Now that's how it should be.

[@JohnMackay-kn3rl]

Before multiculturalism and uncontrolled immigration violent crime was rare in Canada.

[@dafff08]

Same in Germany.

[@stephentontz3853]

The less white a country becomes the more it deteriorates.

[@bwhog]

Germany is also looking north to Sweden and seeing the chaos that has ensued there and are deciding that maybe they've done enough and that they'd still like Germany to be Germany when all this is over.

[@henry-5676]

Germany has worse chaos

[@darkawakening01]

@@henry-5676 Naaaw, dude. The problems in Germany are nothing compared to the amount of shootings in Sweden. Look that up yourself.

[@RanDom-y8r5i]

Imagine thinking flooding the Shire with millions of orcs would cause no issues whatsoever.

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

Bruh

[@LeviSeishirou]

Bruh I was just watching Lotr before stumbling upon this comment

[@khanzy.]

@@goodnightmyprince6734 He's right.

[@shamusson]

The Scouring of the Shire

[@GeneralKenobi69420]

Letting mass immigration from low value countries to happen will forever be remembered as the biggest blunder in EU's history

[@johannjohannes8265]

@@rouge_.1 I really hope that this is some kind of joke

[@shutup2483]

@@rouge_.1 It wont be a bigger blunder than allowing hordes of migrants to leech off of state welfare, destroying national & cultural unity, and identity. They'll eventually come to America to work, but they'll be in Europe just to live off of the welfare. Being against immigration isn't racist. That's a root philosophical issue the west is pushing, that will ultimately destroy it.

[@Hello-uh5tt]

I'm not an expert on Europe as I've never been there but I'm just slightly sure that the biggest blunder in European history was the invention of fascism

[@nealfirstofhisname]

It's not a mistake, it's part of their white genocide and great replacement policies.

[@B1ackmagic]

Not a blunder, intentional.

[@leaveacomment]

Always felt Germany was never able to say no because they saw themselves in some kind of never ending debt from WW2.

[@zvonkobogdan9634]

And how they pay back that debt? How they pay back debt for 27 miIions Soviets? By importing arabs and africans? Oh God, I can't believe what some people write. Makes me actually happy all of this is happening

[@rickrhimes8109]

That’s exactly how it is. German here. Right now, as soon as you say we should rethink our immigration politics you are labeled nazi. Say something against wokism or lgbt and you are a nazi as well. That’s how it is in Germany right now. You are either pro immigration or a Nazi and while we let everyone in and give them money, our own retired people are left to collect Pfand bottles because their retirement money gets cut every year…

[@FartInhalerSlamPoetry]

They were defeated, shamed, and forced to abandon their culture. ....and then WW2 happened.

[@nerzhul2455]

How are they paying debt, and to whom? As I know, 27 milion Soviet citizens killed. How is debt being paid, by importing 3rdworld imigrants?

[@MrQwertypoiuyty]

Germany is too nice. To be blunt, the problematic people are those illegal immigrants who believe a certain religion which I cannot mention. They come to Germany and realizing that the Germans are too nice plus the fact their numbers are growing by the millions, they muscle in and do not want to integrate to the original German culture which is centered on another religion. This is why I pity France and the UK of their problems from the supposedly "good" citizens from that religion which I cannot mention.

[@anewlife5846]

Islam, be aloud about it and there is a massive wave of ex-muslims exposing abhorrence of Islam. The more you shy away, the more aggressive they become as they see you as a soft target.

[@zhaunju]

Let me help you to spell the name of a certain religion, that cause these problems - I S L A M.

[@stephentontz3853]

You are afraid to mention the name of some religion? Could that religion be one whose holy book calls for the killing of Christians. Could it be Islam? Oops, I said it for you😂

[@bastille5960]

At last! Kudos Germany. In my country of France the situation is far worse and the government keeps ignoring this.

[@mimamo]

I always was a Francophile, such a beautiful country and culture. It really breaks my heart to see what has been happening in the country over the past few decades: The rising Islamist terror, antisemitism, violent riots in the streets, Paris full of migrant tent villages... France is the perfect example how not to do it, how not to destroy a country and culture by mass migration, and still German politicians have in just the past 8 years (since 2015 when Merkel opened the borders and never closed them again) been doing what happened in France over decades. With the insane speed that Germany has been overrun by 200k-300k migrants annually it is soon there with France and the exact same and the exact same magnitude of issues. I don't know if that is any consolation to you. You at least won't be alone. :(

[@yc__]

They dont want it for real they only talk about it because as it turns out, a lot of migrants are antisemitic and beeing antisemitic in Germany is apparently worse than committing disproportionately crimes and being a burden on the social welfare state.

[@dashaus1]

Well due to Frances's enduring colonial history, the migration problems are not comparable to Germany

[@Mas3452001]

I will never understand how people can vote for politicians who are more focused on solving the problems of people who aren't from their country or solving problems for other countries.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

Guilt complexes leftist social indoctrination, and a general decline of family structures. The stronger the family structure, the stronger the local community bond, the less likely they are going to fall into these traps..

[@paulbrown4649]

Well said

[@sirharmony8626]

I mean its a little bit like in the states. You got the choice between an old leftist geezer or a man who is only 2 years younger with 44 criminal charges. In germany pretty much every party except the AFD is/was pro migration. And AFD is notorious for having Nazis in their members and for not really having any plan what they would do instead. So people just always try to vote for the "lesser evil". Its always the same game here in germany. The usual parties fuck up, AFD votes increase, usual parties backpaddle and the cycle begins again. I refuse to vote until there is a party that is not completely morronic. The head of "the Greens" (they had 30% votes at times) didnt even know what "insolvent" means, which is a term you learn in school (not university.. just normal schools). It is quiet embarassing. But I also feel like that this is the case for the majority of countries... Name one country that doesnt have a corrupt and/or moronic government full of lobbyists. The issue is not the voters, the issue is the system. Parties that have the size/resources to build a government are all on the payroll of big companies, which should be strictly illegal, but it isnt. German automotive + politics is a closer bond than politics + public. And since the only ones that could change that are the ones on the payroll, nothing will ever change.

[@MetalGuitarTimo]

its because we already have a stupid majority of voters due to state media propaganda, leftist teachers and a big portion of 20% migrants/with migration background. while all smart germans leave the country to prosper somewhere else, there is nobody left to vote for a change

[@organicleaf]

because if you dont you will be called a racist, islamophobe and xenophobe, people critiziced the politics heavily but because of social media and young people being pushed into a very leftist point of view everything that was said was deemed "wrong" and "unmoral" and therefore silenced... and then you have the same people telling you that facism is wrong and that you should stop being a facist

[@TheInstinctWithinV2]

"We need more workers because we have an aging population" is such a terrible excuse to destroy countries all over the west. It's not even true. It's always a net negative. The same amount of resources cannot sustain the extreme amounts of people, and even if that were the case, it won't be the same nation anymore within a few years of that trend. PEOPLE are the culture. Our way of living each day, the rules and laws we all agree on, the shared story of how the country came to be. All of this is so important, and the outsiders do not share that at all. If they instead looked INWARD as to why people are having less kids, why they don't take the jobs that oh so desperately need workers, they COULD fix those problems and start growing steadily while maintaining the integrity of the people. But no, instead they betray them for free voters and money in their own pockets. I spit on politicians in Europe.

[@adam7802]

The problem is politicians are too interested in looking good meaning short term solutions that just kick the issue down the road...

[@cliffsofmoher4220]

Well the earth is already overpopulated global warming is slowly happen and if our population keeps rising and if people starts having more children there will be no food left on your table when you retire. So be greatful amd it's cheap to bring in people that make them. It's good for our planet.

[@loopinglui002]

As a German I want to emphasize that the new policies are a lot of window-dressing and won't help. About 600 additional annual deportations are planed as of the government plans ->about 300.000 asylum seekers are coming to Germany 2023. I am ashamed of the government 😅

[@wilg9400]

If these 300k changed to all qualified immigrants, would be a completely different story.

[@dasein1458]

You should be, you (as a german society) created this mess, you were blaming all the other countries and putting themselves in morally superior position, schooling all the other countries on "openness and tolerance". Germans decided to show the example and lead the energy transformation, to "befriend"/support russia and to take all those migrants. And there was and still is enormous support for all that in german society. Germans are responsible for it, and germans are choosing it.

[@MareenaJacob-kg7ct]

​@@wilg9400qualified immigrants don't prefer germany much due to their burecracy. That's why more skilled immigrants like Indians and Chinese head to places like US, Canada etc

[@loopinglui002]

Yeah true, very strong 'if' and 'would' though.@@wilg9400

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

​@@MareenaJacob-kg7ctalso due to learning german. They already know English that's why it's easy to settle in canada and usa along with ex British colonies

[@Jonas_M_M]

Finally, the political class is realising how much of a challenge it is to integrate a lot of migrants into a society, and that is especially import when democratic acceptance is on the line.

[@leelaprasad9916]

But isn't it great having this much diversity and culture in your country.

[@theCynecologist]

If they had truly realized that, they would start increasing funds for language courses and increase the speed of the asylum application process. I've worked in a refugee camp from 2015 to 2021 and met many skilled and ambitious people, who had to wait for up to 2 years until they're finally allowed to get a job.

[@Gaius__]

No, they aren't realising that. The only thing they realise is the growing number of voters they lose to the AfD. Now they are scared of losing their positions, and hence they are pretending to make a move in the right direction. I hope voters will see through this attempt at deception and give the traitorous bastards what they have coming, in the next election.

[@MareenaJacob-kg7ct]

@@user-jj5mp7ib1f what about indian christians and filipinos

[@pagatryx5451]

Unfortunately the people the political class manipulated haven't yet. I still love listening to my national news trying to explain why yet another murder by a non-national has nothing to do with their race and that EVERYONE has the capacity for evil whilst blissfully ignoring the absurd statistics of violent crime for their proportion of the population. Until the media and education system develops common sense, we're not out of this yet.

[@helmutkohl8336]

From my point of view the new measures for limiting and handling migration sound good on paper but suffer from the same problem like the policies under Merkel. All the time there was a lack of financial and human resources to successfully implement the policies on the local level. Many of the local government bodies ("Kommunen" und "Kreise") simply lack the money and people to implement those polices. Back under Merkel most local governments outsourced a huge part of the integration-process to volunteers (supporting people in regards of bureaucracy, opening a bank-account, etc.). And now all these measures like the special debit cards for migrants sound good on paper, while many locale governments don't have the resources and know-how to implement and maintain such a system (it's an open secret, that the digitalisation in the areas of public services, etc. Is a collosal mess in Germany, also again thanks to a lack of clear strategy and funding). Finally, there are also local governments which handle the current situation impressively well. Usually thanks to single mayors who had the foresight to set up decentralised housing for migrants, who integrated local groups, banks and companies in the integration process, sadly those examples get often overlooked in the current debate. Long story short, everybody in Berlin is now trying to be the big man/woman who is tough on migration but nobody thinks about providing the local government, who do 90 percent of the work with more funds and resources. I guess in about 5 to 10 years we will see a lot of talkshows where the same politicians from the left to right complain about how somebody should have done more back then.

[@judyskinner254]

true

[@JB47]

Really good point of view from you

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

Nope, they do NOT lack the money, they allowed the money to fall into criminal hands by NOT doing their jobs.

[@shannonbriggs4102]

Anything in life that is “uncontrolled” will end badly.

[@IanHumphreys-i8o]

speaking with friends in germany tell me that many services such as help for the elderly etc.. has been cut in favour of services for immigrants, the same has happened in uk, the population are not happy to say the least, but were not allowed to speak out about these things because wed be classed as racist.

[@Dropthesoapto]

This is been happening everywhere in Europe, when we go after our resources after a lifetime contributing we are told there’s none for us while immigrants and their kids dry out the wealfare system! Enough! In what are these people a plus for Europe.? We are being made fun, first for our leftist, liberal politicians, second for those who come in to settle, few really work and take the brunt of benefits. This makes no sense unless you are the politicians who drove us into this mess but won’t recognize that.

[@anewlife5846]

So to claim the benefits from your paid taxes is racist? How can the tax payers be marginalised merely for accomodating freeloaders?

[@Felix-on9dr]

I heard that a goddamn retirement home was replaced with like a refugee complex

[@thegooseseno928]

Why am I watching this, I live in New Zealand.

[@89itis]

😂

[@ronanmurphy98]

Here was I, an Irishman, questioning why I was watching this. Hope summer is nice down there.

[@warbler1984]

​@@ronanmurphy98as an Irish man who now lives in NZ ill tell ya..it sure is! What's also better is the health service...HSE can't hold a candle...I've worked in bother and detest the HSE

[@highbread817]

I am in the US watching this I can't tell you

[@89itis]

@@highbread817 it’s called being interested in world affairs 👍

[@kwiatw]

I think all EU countries should spend their navies to Mediterranean sea and start protecting our common borders.

[@moravianlion3108]

I almost thought for a moment you might be more concerned about rockets falling down on EU territory due to ruzzian invasion, but I guess I might not have my priorities straight. Also, my country is a land locked state. How many war ships do you need, my friend?

[@debott4538]

So what are you proposing? Shooting at and/or sinking overcrowded migrant ships? Or rescuing them? (Which is what privately funded NGOs do for years) There is no simple, humane solution to this issue, which is exactly why Europe stuggles so much with it.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@moravianlion3108 being landlocked didn't stop hungary of having an admiral 🤷

[@notfunny3397]

How would you protect borders anyway? The navy can't go into another countries waters, and if they find a ship in their own coastal water, they have to take them in. What are they supposed to do if they find an overcrowded sinking boat in international waters? Shoot it down, children and all? Turn it around, when it might not even be able to make it to the closest shore? The people who think they should set up a naval blockade are not thinking if through I think. Unless it's the British/french route ig

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@notfunny3397 we can monitor the Mediterranean and systematically bring the ships back to the shores they came from, if you are so concerned with the immigrants safety.

[@mailbox1518]

Never forget when in 2016, 2000 illegal immigrants took to the streets, rped 2 german teens and were never caught.

[@Ralph-hm1ic]

You import islam . And then figure out you have a problem.

[@Mr.Peetersen]

Religion ruins a secular society

[@Laperdash]

What I read in your comment is that Muslims ARE the problem.

[@onezerotwo]

Canada’s let 2 million immigrants in in the last 3-4 years, a country of a population of 40 mil, it’s having a devastating effect on our social structure and it’s destroying communities when no effort is made to help these folks acclimatize AND the government builds no new towns, infrastructure, or schools and the like… good for the worst kind of low-contribution businesses like McDonalds, not good for the strength and health of our country. 10 years ago I would never have pegged myself as anti-immigration, and I’m still not, but the flood gates must be shut, this is madness.

[@randomgeneration-gu8dw]

Agreed. I am a first generation immigrant (though my family came in the '80s) and I remember very vividly being called a racist bigot when I pointed out that we do not have the infrastructure to take so many people all at once. It's not just the government's fault, to put it bluntly. There are absolutely common folk here who are happy to destroy to country as long as they can feel good about themselves while doing it. To be extra blunt, most of these people are white and middle-class, and they are generally insulated from the pain of these policies since they already have good jobs, good incomes, and own homes. These are the people with clout and they have disproportionate influence on our policies. We won't see any changes until these useful idiots get called out and are forced to live out the consequences of their own policies...though I doubt that will ever happen. This is not to say there aren't minority grievance groups who agitate for these bad policies at professional level, but I think if you do some digging you'll find the people in them are of the same social class, and thus, insulated from the fallout. These policies are luxury beliefs in action. (But no, really. I am sick of rando white middle class people calling me a racist bigot for pointing out the *painfully obvious statistics* on many of our issues. People. We literally do not have the physical buildings to house people right now. Quite literally. And yet almost every single one who has pulled this on me has this absolutely hypocritical air of moral superiority as they continue to push for policies that destroy the working class. This is absolutely a status game where they're set to win-win while the rest of us lose-lose.)

[@danf8047]

Letting people walk in from different/culture/religion who don't have the same civility and respect towards the law....damn who knew this would be a problem? I'm shocked!

[@brandonw5415]

unironically calling immigrants uncivilized is wild. mask off

[@danf8047]

@@brandonw5415 immigrants are not illegal migrants/refugees. I'm sure if you ever 'immigrate' to some of these countries they cater to your needs for bacon/pork chops and let your gf wear a skirt with high heels.

[@brandonw5415]

ah yes my bacon needs thank you for clarifying @@danf8047

[@alexrazmislevich7265]

Delete this antisemitic comment

[@vast9467]

@@brandonw5415 statistics don’t lie, sorry for ripping the bandaid off

[@peuteodoro]

I was recently in Germany and I was really surprised by the fact that sometimes I simply did not see any Germans lol. Just walking down the streets either on the city center or in the suburbs, I'd see like 10 people who clearly were not German before I saw someone who resembled a somewhat European person. The only places where I'd find a more "German crowd" would be on fancy markets or far far away from big cities.

[@TheOneAndOnlycE]

I´m a native German and live in a medium sized city. Maybe 1 in 10 people I see outside is actually white. Just an endless sea of muslim women with hijab and 4-8 children with them, every single time. It´s over for Germany. Es ist vorbei.

[@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK]

Well just look what's happened. And happened in Sweden. Everyone needs to wake up to this

[@zoomerboomer1396]

Meh, i believe it when i see it. I think the u-turn Sweden is making is much more interesting and has much more potential.

[@nenasiek]

Well we have a bit of a head start, germany can still catch up. And we still havent started kicking ppl out yet, since many already have citizenship, but even other immigrants (who are doing things right) are getting tired of them

[@jenswurm]

One of my biggest grievances is how different different types of immigrants are treated. Regular skilled immigrants are made to jump through a lot of hoops. E.g. my wife is such an immigrant and working in a medical field. She already has her masters' degree and is currently working towards her approbation while working in her profession part time under supervision. But the regulations make no difference between someone who already is a skilled worker with a completed university degree who is just educating themselves further (approbation, PhD), and a first semester student. For immigration law you're a student in both cases. It sucks. By contrast, if you utter the magic word "asylum!", you're basically just waved through.

[@mashenka6189]

This is the same in Australia.

[@samiazaffar7096]

Must be very annoying. I don’t know what these Countries are trying to prove. Are they trying to compensate about their previous mistakes and making more mistakes.

[@LarsLiveLaughLove]

USA used to bring in religious asylum seekers from Europe by the millions in the late 1800's and early 1900's and then capped immigration at a certain not very high number. Now, currently, immigration is more from Mexico / South America and southeast asia and oddly enough Russia and China through the southern border. Arguably, it's somewhat unchecked but it makes more sense when you drive through the country as you can drive hundreds of miles and for multiple days in wide open & unpopulated fields. No concern about lack of space. We make a point here to verify no crimes and people with skills and talents are given higher priority than those without

[@effingcool1780]

I was always wondering about it. I had no desire to stay and live in Germany, i was there just to study. But for many graduated students it was hard to stay and work in Germany. Finding a job is no problem, they literally graduated german uni in german language and speak the language perfectly. But immigration buro is like "You have to earn at least 4000 euro/month to get a work visa ". And fresh graduates are not going to earn 4000! Our engineering profession started from 2600, and would raise each year. Many engineers with foreign background had problem with their resident permit in a company that i know. But guess what, jobless, homeless, educationless immigrant or refugee with zero German language skills would get accepted with open arms and German government would even give them money each month for "trashing their country and raping their women". Wonderful.

[@TheOneAndOnlycE]

It´s because the government wants to genocide its own people. They don´t want highly educated well behaved immigrants, they only want the most violent criminals from every 3rd world prison to come here to kill Germans and cause terror so that the government can introduce martial law and get complete control.

[@mleyh]

I live in germany and its become nuts...

[@jdjphotographynl]

Because Germany too has finally found out that there's only so many people a country, regardless of how wealthy it is, can take in without it becoming troublesome? Especially if a considerable part of those people come from parts of the world where their cultures are significantly different than it is in Germany (or most of the western world for that matter).

[@JTSuter]

Germany is still culturally and psychologically kicked-in from WWII. Their collective guilt has allowed all of this to happen. But when the pendulum swings back, it won’t be pretty.

[@afanasymarinov2236]

Well regulated immigration is vital for every economy. Unregulated immigration is deadly for every country.

[@GanzcastGermany]

I really hope our politicians will realize soon that we can't help everybody and we have to select who needs help the most, because if we keep this up we won't be able to help anyone in the future.

[@RockSolitude]

I love how TLDR News EU focuses exclusively on the "politics" of Germany being SLIGHTLY more strict on immigration, and not the social problems that has led them there in the first place.

[@jensschroder8214]

The question is: Should Germany delete the right to asylum in its constitution? Should Germany set a number for how many are allowed immigrate and how many are allowed to take asylum each year? As long as it isn't discussed, it's just window dressing. In Germany, the right to asylum and the question of immigration are always confused. Asylum means that refugees from Ukraine, where there is a war, are allowed to come. Immigration means that people come to work and live here permanently.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

agreed

[@val-schaeffer1117]

If Schengen border remain open, I doubt Germany would get any asylum seeker from other western European countries. NL has much better welfare policies as well as higher salary and wealth retention for hard working and entrepreneurial migrants (although it is rare). Had Germany been such a country of milk and honey, Germans would not be leaving Germany in droves. Germany has one of the highest emigration rate among OECD countries.

[@jensschroder8214]

There is no point in deporting a Turk born in Germany to Turkey after committing a crime. He'll be back within a month.

[@jeckjeck3119]

Just make exceptions to asylum seekers. No one from Middle East, they should be VERY pro democracy, etc.

[@SvenSchusterx12x]

If the German government would act rightfully after the law (Dublin II) most of the people had to be expelled. Furthermore the right for asylum in the “constitution” (Grundgesetz is not a real constitution like it is pointed the in the Grundgesetz Artikel 146) of Germany only allows political asylum, which would only be the case for 2% of the current registered people. Germany signed international immigration acts (f. e. UN) that should be revoked which are not part of the Grundgesetz.

[@danamania150]

Why is it controversial to say that Germany is for Germans 🤷‍♀️

[@arturmo1046]

Nothing controversial with that. As a German I agree, we need more national pride. Because actually...to be fair...other countries don't know what good leadership is...perhaps we should show them...perhaps the UK should become German, we can show them the right German way...perhaps Europe should be more German...

[@arturmo1046]

@@Freibursche_NV ahh be careful with that...our history thought us, what it means when the Germans, including me, are a bit of tisibitsi nationalist ;) You don't want a third round, do you?

[@wiondaivard]

Imo in a global society the idea of a country is only for these people is kinda weird to me. Especially patriotism and national pride and stuff. Nations of course have there traditions and culture that you can support but the support of a nation as a construct is weird.

[@jlntpy1706]

@Freibursche_NV Ah yes exactly. Because right now we don't have corruption in our countries. In what bubble do u live in? As long as humans are involved it will always be corrupt. That's the nature of humans. Doesn't matter if on a national or international scale. Patriotism / nationalism is literally poison. I'd highly advise you to read 1984 by Orwell. I agree that unregulated immigration is terrible, but all this 'patriotism/ nationalism is good' - talk is so incredibly idiotic, it's beyond me. And people don't understand demographics, and how dire the situation will be for Europe in 30 years! If the pension system isn't reworked then it will collapse in the next decade. Migration in essence is nothing bad, if done correctly.

[@Gambit771]

It shouldn't be but channels like this think that's racist. Or is it only when the UK says it.

[@julesverne4561]

Why don't European countries encourage starting families for their native population?

[@dsnvamsidharbabu.]

Because of their self humiliation of their past

[@lennywatchesstuff]

@@dsnvamsidharbabu.its in every western nation i guess everyone is ashamed

[@dsnvamsidharbabu.]

@@lennywatchesstuff this mentality can't save their future.

[@Heyurgirlistotallyrandom]

Imagine enforcing one child policy on illegal immigrants

[@TheMetalfreak360]

We in Norway are looking at what has happened in Sweden and are starting to look at how many we take in, even Ukranians. Taking in people but not able, capable or willing to properly integrate them will only doom to fail and cause issues down the line, imho, that is how far right becomes more popular (and in general gives them ammo to use in debates) when more and more people see immigrants that have different reasons for doing crime or other actions not accepted by the nation as a whole. Even for me it becomes hard to be a supporter when I hear some that want to see Shariah law in Norway, that is when all my goodwill goes out the window tbh.

[@peterfireflylund]

Any failure of integration lies exclusively with the immigrants. Don’t pretend it is the fault of Norway/Sweden/Denmark/France/Germany/the UK/etc.

[@bloodfiredrake7259]

​@gfys756 I'm from Pakistan, and I question your sanity.

[@scipion34]

​@@bloodfiredrake7259 Classic, good old-fashioned bait. Should be obvious.

[@Wilhelmofdeseret]

@@gfys756that’s false. You must be from africa as you seem to have a mental deficiency

[@hebahamid884]

@@bloodfiredrake7259 same, I m a liberal muslim n I question his sanity too. Iceland, switzerland, japan, Singapore, Denmark all have lowest crime rates. None of them have sharia law. Can't say the same for egypt, Iraq, Iran, pakistan, Afghanistan which follow shariah law. Can't even imagine the condition of women n homosexuals in those countries.

[@jimcronin2043]

When an immigrant enters his/her destination country it should be on the basis of: 1) respect for the laws of the receiving country, including having entered in accordance with the applicable laws; 2) adoption of the values and principles of the receiving country, regardless of those of the former country and abandonment of any former contrary values and principles; 3) adoption of the culture of the receiving country, although some aspects of the old culture may be retained; 4) allegiance to the receiving country, and renunciation of all former allegiances; 5) actual ability and sincere intent to contribute productively to the economy of the receiving country; 6) enforcement of these principles on the family members accompanying the immigrant and willing acceptance of deportation when any of these provision have been broken.

[@awdrifter3394]

It all sounds good when the politicians and MSM say it, but when you or your family personally experienced the Cultural Enrichment, you'll feel differently about it.

[@spetz911]

Instead of points system they should just set a limit on taxes you have to pay per year and limit a number of supported professions(aka Skilled worker visa in the UK) to prevent corrupted schemes.

[@andreykovachev7002]

I am not german( i am bulgarian), but i was a student in german university between 2001 and 2005. After i have traveled for work to germany last year and stayed there for 3 months i found Germany in mich worse place. It was a lot more dirty - a lot of trash on the streets, a lot more suspiciously looking people, a lot more drunk/drugged people on the street. People telling me that is not really safe to go through the parks in Munich at night. And i hear that a lot of the immigrants do not want to adapt to and abide by the laws of the country. I mean didn't you migrate to have better life? Why are you continuing to live as you used to? Why are you refusing to work and wait for money handouts. Of course this is not true for all, but for the majority.

[@yournemesis192]

Munich is still the nicest, cleanest city in Germany. If you want to see how far this country has fallen visit Berlin, Frankfurt or the Ruhr Area (Gelsenkirchen)

[@andreykovachev7002]

@@yournemesis192 I had visited Berlin. It is a shame man, as a bulgarian the tidyness and cleaness was one of the things i admired about Germany because my country isn't clean or tidy. I am really worried about the EU.

[@d3lrith]

Bulgarian in Italy here.Have to find a remote job and ru.Europe is about to suicide

[@andreykovachev7002]

@@d3lrith i hope not. I hope they will learn from this and realise that east europeans are not the problem :) Hope they stop the invasion from africa and midle east.

[@anewlife5846]

@dennisritchie512 True but political correctness and leftists will never admit it.

[@Longknife]

I'm a German-American dual citizen. As a young child, I lived in a predominantly asian-american area, to the point I was one of only 2 white kids in my pre-school. In my later childhood and teen years, I lived in a neighborhood that was largely black and mexican. Today, I live in Germany in a largely Turkish neighborhood. I like different cultures, I think interacting with different cultures is interesting, and I think there's a strong argument for Germany to welcome some form of immigration in order to soften it's aging population problem. *HOWEVER* Germany's stance on immigration is making three things obvious: that there needs to be some form of standard on *who* gets in, that immigrating too many people from one specific counter-culture can make that counter-culture TOO present, which can lead to conflicts, and no, two immigrants from two completely different countries are not the same in the sense one country might integrate itself wonderfully, whilst the other might butt heads with the local culture. Speaking frankly, Germany *does* need to try and find educated immigrants, because if the economic goals of allowing for immigration are to mitigate the effects of a dying population, then they need to be able to fill the shoes of lower level, middle level and upper level education workers. Currently, with the floodgates open, it just isn't happening for higher education workers. This is little surprise when yes, the countries migrating to Germany tend to have less schooling. And secondly, yes: Islam is kind of a problem. This doesn't mean *individual* Muslims are bad or anything, it's merely an acknowledgement that when larger groups of specific foreign groups arrive, it can be harder to integrate them. And when we're comparing the local culture to, for example, a Ukrainian's culture, a Kenyan's culture, and a Syrian's culture, then the Syrian's culture is strongly different compared to the other two. This means integrating a Ukrainian refugee or a Kenyan migrant is typically easier and involves less animosity between Germans and the immigrant group in question. These two groups do not have strong religious differences to Germans, for example. But Muslim cultures...? The larger the cultural gap between German culture and the culture in question, the harder it is to integrate them. There is an extremely strong difference in how women are treated, the religious beliefs, the mannerisms, the habits, and this is probably all exacerbated by the fact that yes, they do have children at much higher rates, so the growth of that population winds up being far higher than expected, which might scare some locals. Integrating a foreign immigrant into the local culture is also important for the well-being of both the immigrant themselves and the local culture in question, and this tends to be harder if there's a large group of a specific counter-culture that can stick together and has less reason to learn German and integrate itself. Again, this is where that "large families" aspect of many Muslim cultures becomes counter-intuitive. I can spot a clear difference between how many muslims here speak German and how many (non-muslim) Africans or Eastern Europeans do....which may also be due to a gap between arabic and German that's larger and harder than the others, and that's not their fault! But again, let's be practical: if it's harder for them to learn German, yes, this is STILL something to consider. I feel like acknowledging something like this is something that people just get labeled as racist for, so it goes unspoken. As I said: individually, there's no problem with muslim immigrants, or ANY immigrants. But yes, if tomorrow Germany said it was adopting 1 million Koreans, Colombians, Australians or whatever for example, this is much different from adopting 10,000, and you *will* see German culture and the culture in question butt heads as those 1 mil immigrants undoubtedly result in a new counterculture that is sometimes at odds with the norms people know and love. When this happens, that's *precisely* when the less-educated tend to flip out and get hostile, and this is something we want to avoid. Our policy thusfar however has - whether intended or not - had the practical result that we've seen a large spike in Muslim cultures within Germany in particular, and not in a healthy way for either the immigrants themselves or the local Germans. It needs a more tactical approach.

[@daylightmoon7285]

Look at Sweden. Also, look at what Denmark is doing. Places like the U.S., Canada, Brazil, Argentina are historically immigrant countries. Immigration was developed over many years (about 3 centuries). European countries don't understand or have experience with immigration. Europe has less land for example. European societies developed in close knit villages. In the Americas, populations were more mobile and developed over vast areas of prairies and pampas. Each country should look at it's individual history, culture, development, etc.

[@edwardsilver4012]

@daylightmoon7285 Thats a BS excuse to not integrate yourself. Here in Germany we have immigrants living here for 30 years who are unable to form a single coherent sentence in the german language. I, for example , am an Immigrant that grew up in germany without having known a single german word. Yet I integrated by learning the german language and customs to an extend that I could be considered german myself. If a disabled orphan and immigrant with barely any state support can integrate successfully then everyone can do it. Especially if they are fortunate enough to have a family or state support. The only thing that truly matters is IF they actually want it. OR NOT.

[@grafplaten]

@@daylightmoon7285 European countries don't understand or have experience with immigration?!? You should learn more about European history...

[@daylightmoon7285]

I am not talking about the thousands of years of wars and occupations since Roman times. There have been groups that move through Europe but then are expelled or surpressed like the Jews or Roma but that doesn't constitute immigration.@@grafplaten

[@Euphorion]

@@daylightmoon7285 most intelligent american

[@stoechiometrique91]

I think Europe overall needs to implement something like the Australian style border - "operation sovereign borders". I understood that Denmark, Italy and Austria are looking at something like this

[@samiman5606]

Australia belongs to the aboriginal natives not for the mixed blood white people européens

[@connor5214]

Join the UK Rwanda scheme

[@marvin2678]

isnt it alreeady too late ?

[@jensjensen875]

as a german: yes, the spread of islam needs to be stopped in Europe, otherwise our civilisation will fall. we NEED the australian border system. it cant be, that when visiting a major city in germany there are more arabs than whites, its shocking.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Australia's immigration policy also lets in too many migrants and it is causing a disaster for housing affordability. It is not perfect either.

[@tni333]

There is no u turn. None at all. It’s just words to soothe the people, while uncontrolled mass-migration, sponsored by the state via NGOs, continues without pause.

[@catalin633]

Why no country does much to encourage its own citizens have more kids? Why do they prefer to pay loads of money to foreigners and to subsidize/ help own families to make it easier to have kids? This is amazingly stupid!

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

the ideology of modern societies has pushed for decades that having a family is not worth sacrificing a career for.

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@rouge_.1 no, we don't need foreigners

[@Billiamwoods]

Because for people to have kids, they would need radically more support in current economic conditions. Workers' rights and government support have been slowly eroded as the march of capitalism progresses on. It's not a conspiracy, they just don't care. Not that Arabs and Africans are somehow bad people.

[@cliffsofmoher4220]

Ever heard of overpopulation the earth is already overpopulated and still ticking its like a ticking timebomb until we get so overpopulated that we won't have any food left. So bringing in people is not only cheap but it saves this planet and when u retire u will thank them

[@LocHoang-u2x]

It would cost a lot of money to incentivize native German, native Scandinavian women to have more children compared to taking in skilled, hungry migrants with some education all paid for by their countries of birth. Do you really think German or Swedish women will pop out more kids if the government gives them 5 or 20 thousand Euros per kid? It costs a lot of money every year to raise a child from birth unitl the child can get a job to be able to leave the nest. Offering each German or Danish woman even 50,000 Euros per kid will not be sufficient to get native European women to have more children. The problem with the migrants/refugees is Germany, Scandinavian countries, and other European countries is that a lot of them are of the wrong type.

[@LS5D]

Apparently it really has to hurt before the german public wakes up.

[@4CelciusDegree]

As an engineer migrant in Germany, it's sad to see most migrants don't even want to learn the language let alone integrate after spending a year for learning German myself

[@OneGordoNation]

this is awesome and I fully support this. the media is constantly trying to manipulate us to feeling sorry for them. I'm from Canada and the point system has been really destructive. .

[@jeroquai3170]

If you say something about the high crime rate of these muslim arabs here in germany you‘ll loose your job and bank account immediately and be called racist and nazi. 60,000 knife attacks and 800 group rapes last year. Muslim arabs are hunting down young girls on the streets. Police do nothing. Don‘t wanna loose their jobs.