Why Great Apes are Great

[@iam3gion204]

“Why Great Apes are great” A presentation by Great Apes

[@BlazRa]

*makes loud vocalizations and throws sticks at you*

[@christianpervert525]

I'm starting a petition to have them re-named to "Just OK Apes"

[@austrakaiser4793]

A presentation by Great Apes that actually used their brains for thousands of years

[@austrakaiser4793]

@@MonographicSingleheaded the smartest animals - apart from Humans of course - have the brain power of an 11 year old, it's smart but not nearly as much compared to us. It also explains how we became the dominant species on Earth because of such intelligence compared to all these other animals. I don't see other Apes crafting Swords and Armour to protect themselves now do I? Yet we have a tool that can wipe out entire cities and contaminate it for thousands of years later causing millions of deaths.

[@austrakaiser4793]

@@MonographicSingleheaded I'm not saying I don't respect your bestiality fetish man I'm just saying they're not worth it.

[@donjuan2001]

I think Gibbons should be granted the honorary classification of 'pretty good apes'

[@enotsnavdier6867]

I'd prefer to call them pretty great apes, cause gibbons are awesome

[@gnusch3109]

As a member of the human race, I approve of this proposal. And hereby decree the, Gibbons of this world, unlimited early acces to the title of 'pretty good apes'

[@cosmiceyness]

gibbon moment

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

Gibbons are classified as "cheeky bois" on my chart. Such funny little dudes.👍

[@Icetea-2000]

Great as in big, not the definition of positive

[@dracodracarys2339]

"why are great apes great?" because they're the leader of the bunch. you know them well

[@grogglefexengamez]

Their coconut guns can fire in spurts! If they shoot ya, it's gonna hurt!

[@santiagoc.9037]

They're bigger, faster and stronger too

[@giggidyboi5768]

They're all members of the DK crew

[@sephikong8323]

The summoning ritual is complete What did you want me to do ?

[@santiagoc.9037]

Huh!!

[@withernator]

Can you imagine how scary it would have been discovering orang-utans. Imagine going back to your friends and family and telling them you saw a deeply deformed man swinging in trees at fast speeds.

[@TheKingOfClowns]

all myths start from somewhere i suppose

[@Burn_Angel]

Haha, by the way you wrote it, I see you know where does the word comes from.

[@withernator]

@@Burn_Angel si

[@capibaradeluxe9193]

Nightmare fuel

[@withernator]

@@capibaradeluxe9193 i know right!

[@oshkeet]

7:34 for those wondering, when a subspecies of an animal is found soon and they have to split the original species apart, whatever the original "type" species is usually gets the uncreative Just Write The Name Again treatment. Hence Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla is the "original" kind discovered.

[@tahutoa]

So which bird is Bird Bird Bird

[@lambsauce5312]

​@@tahutoa that's as if humans were called Mammal Mammal Mammal, did your mother get enough iodine?

[@scranton8582]

@@tahutoa There are loads. see the link below for lots of animals with repeated names en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tautonyms

[@RetroTaylor94]

I love that we named our own group the GREAT apes.

[@SgtMjRomero]

That's because we're just that goated

[@MarkSeiler]

It's based on size and nothing else, the great apes are merely the largest of the apes, as well as having larger brains than other apes like gibbons

[@MarkSeiler]

The same with Great Britain, it doesn't mean they are amazing or anything like that, just that it is larger than the nation's within it...

[@Alec_Reaper]

We also named ourselves Homosapiens which means Wise man

[@isuckatnames6078]

@@MarkSeiler This is humanity we're talking about. Nobody would have wanted to be called a lower ape. We would have just used another way to put ourselves above the other ape, if we were the smaller ones.

[@BadBame962]

I never thought I would be invested in chimp politics

[@demonking86420]

not much difference from human politics tbh #satire

[@yuritrasimaco5201]

"THIS CHIMP TRIBE ARE IMPOSTORS! THEM LIKE WATERMELON MORE THAN BANANA! I AM ABOUT TO DONKEY KONG SIX MILLION OF THEM!"

[@gvl1260]

Jokes aside, I came across some pretty disturbing videos detailing chimpanzee group behaviors. Examples like tearing to pieces other small monkeys while alive, beating half to death one of their own member 6-to-1 for reasons only they know, systematically killing any chimp not from their group to increase their territory. This is just from the top of my head, but pretty brutal stuff.

[@co2_os]

It's definitely better than human politics

[@demonking86420]

@@gvl1260 yep, proof that they are related to people ig

[@marvalice3455]

the male gorilla is just an anime protagonist. he is crazy powerful, but just wants a quiet life with his harem of waifus

[@asmagamer728]

Could be an antagonist too, who wants a quiet life and wants to chill with female human hands.

[@orboakin8074]

Ah! A woman of culture, I see.

[@nova2293]

@@asmagamer728 chew

[@Megararo65]

Great Chad!!

[@marvalice3455]

@@Megararo65 western lowland chad.

[@evo2542]

The Gibbons may not be Great apes, but they sure are apart of the "Really Good" apes.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

Did you hear about the recent encounters between chimnpanzees, and gorillas? Apparrently, chimpanzee groups, who are typically more coordinated, are targeting gorilla communities, and killing their offspring. Field researchers said they saw gorillas throwing chimps in the air, but they couldn't compete with the chimpanzee social coordination. They think it was due to an overlapping fruit source.

[@madyjules06]

I read an article about exactly what you mention in your comment (think it was published in Science Times ~2 months ago) The interspecies conflict & it’s awful result (mutilation & death of baby gorillas at the hands of chimps) is due to habitat loss which has made this source of fruit so precious that they’re attacking & killing gorillas to get rid of competition ☹️

[@itheuserfirst3186]

@@madyjules06 I wonder if this might spur some bit of social evolution if it continues on? We've seen how these sudden shifts in land battles have done similar things in humans.

[@jackback70]

That‘s very interesting and reminds me of when we used to have other Homos like Neanderthalis and what probably happened to them.

[@eVill420]

that so intensely feels at home, that's a very similar behaviour and advantage we humans have.

[@karuki5791]

@@eVill420 yeah, kind of like how we brought Neanderthals to extinction

[@_halloeen_856]

Bonobos "make love not war"

[@thoseguys3813]

yes

[@Cidrecngo]

Lmao yes

[@jackvos8047]

Someone forgot to tell them the 60's are over.

[@thoseguys3813]

@@jackvos8047 lol

[@MatanuskaHIGH]

Maybe they growing some Congolese sativa up there and eating it 🤷‍♂️😂

[@LuisAldamiz]

10:48 - "While bonobos are peace-loving hippies, chimps are utter psychopaths". Yeah, pretty much and we're like a weird mix of both, what is disturbing. Also bonobos matriarchal and hyper-sexual, chimps patriarchal and rather reproduction-oriented sexuality.

[@reecetaylor2626]

One lives in a tough environment and the otger does not. Chimps have a selective push towards agression

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@reecetaylor2626 - Which tough environment? How are the Bonobo jungles more benevolent than the Chimp jungles?

[@reecetaylor2626]

@@LuisAldamiz i believe tge bonobos live in an environment with less natural predators.

[@targitausrithux2320]

@@LuisAldamiz other chimps….. people seem to forget that chimps also kick out bonobos on rare occasions which is a benefit from an evolutionary perspective,

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@reecetaylor2626 - Chimps don't have many predators, maybe no predators at all (excepting humans and the occasional leopard). Lions, hyenas and the great predators of Africa live in the savanna, not in the jungle. Crocodiles don't matter much either because most primates, including our Pan sp. cousins do not swim and avoid rivers altogether (in fact it's a river which keeps bobobos safe from possible chimpanzee inflicted genocide, and that alsos serves to date their divergence in around 1.7 million years, the date of the formation of the Congo basin).

[@FireShoxx]

One small error about the gorillas. All male gorillas get the distinctive silver back but it correlates with age and not dominance. He didn't say this directly but felt like he was implying this.

[@SuperMrHiggins]

Sounds like a social darwinist.

[@DkKombo]

He also got intelligence in gorillas wrong, I believe. There was a video dictating that the gorilla in question that knew sign language didn't actually know that much in depth sign language, but rather was repeating effective phrases. The lady training her was reported to be false in a lot of things

[@superlumbagoman9370]

@@DkKombo dude, I still belive you're an intelligent being and all, but that grammar in your comment hurts!

[@heehokuzunoha7757]

@@superlumbagoman9370 He's probably not a native English speaker but at least he's fluent enough to communicate effectively. How many languages do you know?

[@LordVader1094]

@@superlumbagoman9370 "belive" Ironic.

[@BornTwinkie]

One cool fact that wasn’t mentioned about orangutan. Different mothers have different preferences of fruit and they will teach that to their babies. So different mother child groups will diversify different spices of plants and fruits depending on there preference in taste

[@sterlingmuse5808]

That's honestly kind of brilliant. Because that means different mother-child groups aren't competing with other orangutans as directly and so they can coexist more easily as long as both types of food are available.

[@superdriver777]

The male orangutan is basically just a hippie. Super chill, wearing dreads, kind of anti-social, but secretly incredibly smart. I bet that if they could talk, they would giggle like they're half-listening while you tell them your opinion before destroying it with one sentence they said in a philosophical tone...my kinda friends lol

[@Traveler-VII]

Nah, if anything, that's an insult to orangutans. They're far cooler and more interesting than your run-of-the-mill hippie.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@Traveler-VII Yeah, hippies are usually just cringe and annoying, and their "philosophy" is almost always just hedonism.

[@ItsFinRocket]

This is a highly underrated video

[@txlec99]

Cuz all of this is an assumption only and not of truth.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@txlec99 Are you a creationist?

[@T33-q9c]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 lmao

[@lux2325]

@@txlec99 its the internet bro everything is 100% facts

[@conejogordo1896]

@@T33-q9c Well, it took me long enough to rap on this strong enough Paid this shit just gon' give up, 'cause Ye just gon' live up To everything that sucks to you and that's never enough Thought I'd be clever enough to give up while I'm ahead I like breakfast in bed, but I love breakfast and head For anybody who said that I was better off dead Told 'em, "Don't ever believe nothin' that you ever read" Got a Bible by my bed, oh yes, I'm very Christian Constantly repentin', 'cause, yes, I never listen Don't like bein' questioned and don't like bein' less than Any a competition in any of my professions So I gotta guess then, I gotta stay the best man What else you expect from, uh, Mr. West, man Painting from Wes Lang, hung in my space like a relative That you ain't seen in a minute, called on the telephone And when they see you they say, “Damn you got hella grown Always thought you'd make it, but damn now you hella known" Let's address some topics that I can embellish on How we made enough bread for us to put some relish on I won't relish on the fact I'm vibin' on the future Ultralight buildin' in the buildin' by Miuccia Herzog and de Meuron in an office out in Basel No not Miami, Switzerland

[@gamera5160]

Minor point: Apes have not been demonstrated to have linguistic capabilities. There was a lot of animal language research done in the 60's and 70's and then it all kind of stopped because apes weren't really capable of using language to express much more than asking for things they wanted. All of the stories about apes saying complicated things are all accounts from their handlers with limited documentation and heavy interpretation. They're really smart and they have complex social groups and they can understand a lot of what people say, but they can't really learn and use "language" in the way that we think of it.

[@noodledog2]

A lot of the earlier research done was total crap largely due to the fact that we had no idea how ape minds worked. ffs there was one study done in the 60's with the explicit goal of getting a gorilla to speak english, which we now know is utterly absurd. There is an argument to be made that no other apes truly have the ability to comprehend language the way we do but I think it's become abundantly clear over the last 20 years that they can ascribe meaning both abstract and concrete to words and use them appropriately. This is just conjecture but I think that instances of apes creating phrases and the like only being to their caretakers is because most of the time they only have a close enough bond with their caretaker to cause that sort of natural phenomenon. In other words, it is certainly rare, but I believe apes are genuinely capable of making that leap when they want to. Even so you do have many instances of that happening. Koko was observed inventing phrases and making up names for people a number of times. Kanzi combined words on his pictogram in novel ways often and Chantek famously called himself an "orange-human" and called his contemporaries "orange-dogs" (he was an orangutan). It's a very hard question to get a definitive answer for but I find it very hard to argue that apes can only use language to ask for things and that they are not capable of two-sided communication.

[@thecrimsoncreep]

@@noodledog2 you should watch a video called "Why Koko couldn't talk." It's very interesting... and tragic

[@sayapunyecite]

@@noodledog2 see because you believe so doesnt make it true. science need real data and evidences.

[@lololol924]

I read somewhere that the reason why they never developed two-way language is because their short term memory is amazing. A chimp can memorize a sequence of numbers and replay them in order just by looking at them for 1 second or so. Humans by comparison cant do this nearly as well. Evolutionary speaking, if a chimp tribe runs into a rival tribe, they need to be able to quickly assess the numbers to estimate if they can win the conflict. Whereas humans would be able to communicate and plan, chimps need to do this intuitively.

[@noodledog2]

@@lololol924 It is true that chimps have exceptional short-term memory compared to us. They can memorize things faster, retain it for longer, and memorize a ton more things in quick succession than us. I'm not sure we can say they didn't develop language because of this though. I think it's more accurate to say that homo sapiens and their recent ancestors rely so much on communication and teamwork that language evolved to compensate. Who knows what other evolutionary paths chimps could have followed under different circumstances. You're not wrong, but I think your wording is misleading.

[@yvanthedrakon]

Bonobo: "love and acceptance, peace and diversity uwu" Chimpanzee: "DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, SUFFERING AND STRIFE OWOOOOOOOOOOOHHH" Gorilla: *burp*

[@northamerica5142]

Humans: *Why am I dummy thicc*

[@yvanthedrakon]

@@northamerica5142 humans: *racks shotgun*

[@northamerica5142]

@@yvanthedrakon *murica*

[@sylviasimpson3280]

Reminds me of the territorial humans in my Area, very similar to Chimpanzee but much less Intelligent, they are in pacts and anyone or anything out of their stance are hostile lack of manners with no social graces. Sounds familiar folks. Member of Monkey World. 🐒.

[@jayjay86443]

Orangutan: *eats banana*

[@northwestpassage6234]

As a great ape, I’m fairly offended I wasn’t included in the thumbnail.

[@likea8896]

Excalty

[@DEATH-627K]

Me too

[@fajaradi1223]

Naaaah ... You're just a mediocre apes, not the great ones

[@TheDeadmanTT]

Fun fact: I'm actually working on closing the gap between great apes and humans. I've never been observed using tools and I keep throwing my poop at the people outside my cage. Bringing humans and apes closer together.

[@monsieurLDN]

Doing god's work

[@dudepool7530]

So, you've started a political career?

[@Justin-yt7pi]

Based

[@dabooser1048]

If you really want to go all in you cam try eating your poop. It's a delicious chimp favorite.

[@Jordloopin]

Diogenes...

[@JanetStarChild]

Honestly, if reincarnation was real and I got to choose what animal I'd be reborn as, it's a toss-up between dog and bonobo.

[@daviddechamplain5718]

You can't beat being a dog or a cat in a good home. It's the peak of existence.

[@AlmostEthical]

Orcas seem to do well for themselves, and they live about 60 years.

[@chancegivens9390]

I'd want to be a chimpanzee

[@bigalsnow8199]

A Tiger or Bald Eagle

[@zakazany1945]

Be a chimp or a bonobo... Only to end up locked in a dark cage in a lab for the rest of your life, like I saw what happened to a chimp once

[@yldan1753]

Good to know: I saw a Japanese research video on chimpanzees that showed they have superhuman data collection capabilities. They did pattern number tests where for a few seconds 40 numbers and shapes appeared on the screen then disappeared, they were able to recount all of them every single time. So just know that if you're wondering in the jungle and come across a troop and you think to yourself they didn't see me... think again, they literally see and process everything.

[@PineappleOnPizza69]

If a chimp displays a superhuman ability then that's not superhuman but rather a superchimpanzee ability right?

[@emaesee4284]

@@PineappleOnPizza69 no, it's superhuman for us humans.

[@clown-eating-hippo]

@@PineappleOnPizza69 What do you imagine 'super' means? O.o

[@derekk.2263]

How is this superhuman? I bet most people could do that.

[@jmccann6735]

@@derekk.2263 Are you kidding? 40 objects in arranged order, displayed for a few seconds and you're telling me most people could remember not just ALL 40 objects, but in the exact ORDER? Not even close dude. Go play some card-matching games and you'll see how shitty humans are at doing that lmao

[@devzeppelin1911]

Another animal to compete for title of smartest is the crow

[@yerman0564]

And cetaceans too. If they had dexterity, they'd be really good at puzzle solving.

[@rld8258]

Or corvids in general

[@mr.jenkins5582]

I’m guessing you’ve never heard of dolphins.

[@debrathiel6213]

And that is why us Hindus just love the cows

[@doubleoduck3405]

@@debrathiel6213 crows not cows, cows is absolutely dumbass

[@marcusjr80]

In malay, orang utan actually translates to forest people. Tree is pokok/pohon and the modern spelling for forest is hutan.

[@SteamGrace]

you mfs ugly af so of course you'd refer to orangutans as "people" cuz you see the family resemblance

[@holyfireforged732]

thank you for you saying " in case you're not a human. " because i was showing this video to my pet gorilla, Sebastian.

[@aristideau5072]

Watched a VSauce video that showed that chimps have an astonishing photographic memory. They could remember the order of 20+ items on a display after only around 2-3 seconds of exposure.

[@dantemacias2411]

Do they might exponentially surpass us evolution wise, NOice

[@MondeSerenaWilliams]

Me too! I remember they said that incredible photographic memory is due to chimps not having language-based thoughts like we do.

[@juanausensi499]

@@MondeSerenaWilliams You can have non-language-based thoughts. I have them.

[@TheCopyNinja733]

@@juanausensi499 okay, but that isn’t the norm for humans so we haven’t specialized it. Chimps have, and that’s the point

[@juanausensi499]

@@TheCopyNinja733 Maybe it's not the norm, but it's the default. Language is something you can learn, or not, we are not born with it. The claim was 'that incredible photographic memory is due to chimps not having language-based thoughts like we do'. I think that's just baseless speculation and backwards racionalization. Chimps have that memory because they need it, not because they lack anything.

[@gfxb3177]

"Why are these identical animals, so socially different" You can replace the photo with some humans

[@blu-rae864]

😐

[@doctorrussia]

Ah cool a racist comment under the monkey video

[@draconian_dragons6588]

@@doctorrussia pretty sure he’s referring to the duality of man (backstabbing you and being friends with you or how some people are very kind hearted and others are heartless murderers),so you are implying that you think otherwise and believe some races and more violent which is widely believed to be “racist”

[@doctorrussia]

@@draconian_dragons6588 okay draconian_dragons

[@zhangbill1194]

@@doctorrussia Please state what part of the comment was racist

[@BlueBirdsProductions]

those poor gibbons. One of my earliest memories is going to paignton zoo back in like 2003/4 and a gibbon got really mad and started screaming and smashing into the glass in front of me and it made me cry ahhahahahahah

[@lordhawkridge4116]

Had a gorilla do the same thing at Paignton Zoo lmao

[@BlueBirdsProductions]

@@lordhawkridge4116 those apes seem pretttpissed off in there 😂

[@KrikZ32]

@@BlueBirdsProductions they're smart enough to know it's wrong to be kept in there, but not smart enough to be able to have it explained to them. Nightmare stuff

[@HogBurger]

I escaped, don’t worry

[@vbgvbg1133]

eye contact is seen as challenging in many ape species, so they would get angry if you make direct eye contact. It'd be like flipping someone off

[@destroyerofskulls3036]

I say we start a Game of Thrones style TV show starring Chimpanzees, showing the intense politics which occurs within this species.

[@SlapstickGenius23]

I’ve got a nicely clean DVD of a quite interesting French British tv film called A Monkey’s Tale, even though the characters in that film are actually a bunch of colonially dressed primates informally resembling a mix of Gibbons, Macaques and Orangutans. Also, said film is technically set in the film’s own fantasy equivalent of Central Kalimantan, itself a former Dutch colony like the rest of Indonesia.

[@dinkusstinkus4396]

You mean planet of the apes?

[@Fayrayz]

“Homo sapiens is arguably the most successful species ever” -Homo Sapiens

[@bugfighter5949]

I say ants on top

[@K.Pershing]

@@bugfighter5949 did ants send an ant to space?

[@bugfighter5949]

@@K.Pershing Humans have 4 limbs where ants have 6, checkmate.

[@K.Pershing]

@@bugfighter5949 ants have only 6 centipedes have over 60 checkmate

[@bugfighter5949]

@@K.Pershing 😳😤🤯

[@druoleary]

FYI Antisocial means against or danger to society. Career Criminals are antisocial because they don't form empathetic relationship. Asocial is disinterested in society, prefers to be alone.

[@sidoso9810]

so chimps are antisocials

[@branmhn]

was just thinking this

[@hoominbeeing]

@@sidoso9810 Not necessarily. They form an empathetic relationship with their own society. The video even said that males may even band together by exchanging favours with each other like picking the bugs off each other back to usurp other males.

[@gustavosauro1882]

Ok i'm asocial

[@the_egg_]

egg does not care. Egg will use what words egg wants to.

[@petersmythe6462]

The interesting question is whether apes can craft tools. E.G. They'll hand pick a rock to smash things with. But will they smash a rock with another rock to improve it's functionality for some particular purpose?

[@luska5522]

They do

[@juanausensi499]

They improve their sticks by breaking them into the correct size and putting off the leaves.

[@MatsMatsuo]

some species do it in a very very "simple" way, but one thing that distinguish they from primitive men, is that they don't teach each other, they learn by watching other apes doing this but the lack of comunication and language is an obstacle to "progress", i remember seing an article about experiments of comunication with great apes and one thing that they really lack is that they don't formulate questions at all, like human child do all the time "why that?" "why this?" "what is this?", they communicate to ask for food basically or things they want, this a big difference to allow a path similar to what human made some thousands of years ago.

[@psal8715]

Humans defiantly won the nose lottery among the great apes.

[@ekosubandie2094]

The benefit of having neotenized skull compared to other great apes

[@fellowresearchertalloran]

It's more like a receding jaw than an actrual protruding nose.

[@doomguy19931]

Humans to gibbons: you are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Great Ape

[@fretnesbutke3233]

Absolutely excellent. Thank you. I worked with animals, including the great apes for 30 years,and I can only wish this helps more people understand what this means to being human.

[@henrycohen5222]

this was super interesting, thanks for the great video!

[@joeyfridays]

why would someone dislike this? awesome vid man very entertaining and informative

[@MrGreensweightHist]

Creationists hate acknowledging that we are, in fact, also apes.

[@SetzerII]

@@MrGreensweightHist Nah, it was angry chimps.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@MrGreensweightHist They also reject basic taxonomy and phylogeny.

[@pokemon05100]

He didn't go into enough detail about the human species ;(

[@thegatorhator6822]

It has alot of errors.

[@eliforeal5261]

When referring to the Western lowland gorilla, I will now exclusively use gorilla^3

[@deanmccrorie3461]

8:30 Seems like such a wise and observant creature Gorilla: finger smell funny

[@flaviono6530]

"Great apes are great" - an essay by a great ape

[@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc]

5:38 - Awesome! Had no idea a new orangutan species had been discovered. 6:03 - You mean "asocial", not "antisocial". One of the reasons I love orangs so much is their generally peaceful nature. _Chimps,_ as you describe, are the especially antisocial ones.

[@hildkiin]

They were first filmed last year. You can find the video of a mother and her cute furball on youtube by just writing tapanuli orangutans

[@diegobrando3409]

Bonobos are peaceful but very social. And if you show that you have a problem with them, they will try and make peace by offering sexual favors.

[@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc]

@@hildkiin Thanks for the pointer! I'll have to look that up when I have time.

[@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc]

@@diegobrando3409 Yep, bonobos definitely rank up there with orangs on the peaceful ape scale; gotta love them Free-Love Apes. Interesting wording you used, though, saying "if … *_you_* have a problem with them". One thing I haven't read or heard much about is whether they try to do that sexual favor behavior with their human "colleagues". I would suspect they would, but hopefully they're not very aggressive about it, and their advances can be put off without much problem, despite their superior strength...?

[@adambell8217]

tbf tho, dominance fights still occur in fully grown flanged adult orangutans, its just not as often.

[@petersmythe6462]

The stark differences between chimp and bonobo societies is interesting from the standpoint that it shows how flexible the nature of great apes can be. That two species so similar in physiology could be so different in culture and society while living not far apart, with neither having state structures or complex economic systems and production chains, shows how careful we should be about what we assume about human nature. If our closest relatives can't even agree whether matriarchy or patriarchy is preferable, or whether society should be egalitarian or hierarchical, how much can we really say about the immutables of human nature? Indeed, how much can we really say about the immutables of Pan nature? If chimps were made to raise baby bonobos or bonobos made to raise baby chps, would they emulate the culture of their species or the culture of their adoptive parents? What if an entire group of chimps were incrementally replaced by bonobos or an entire group of bonobos incrementally replaced by chimps? Would they keep the culture of their group or recreate that of their species, or do something else entirely?

[@jmccann6735]

That's exactly what I was thinking! Like, are these differences physiological, or cultural? Could they change or adapt, and over how much time? If human behavior is anything to go off of, I'm sure anything is possible

[@sergeant_chris6209]

My guess would be that social, or "cultural" characteristics, in due time get imprinted into the gene pool. So in a hypothetical scenario where a group of bonobos was dropped amidst chimps, they would probably get violently slaughtered before they would have a chance to change their ways. But if you put a chimp troop in bonobo territory, they would again start by annihilating bonobos. But, after generations passing of chimps killing and dominating surrounding bonobos, the remaining bonobos would probably get their shit together and become exactly like the chimps, gradually becoming as hardwired for violence as the chimps are. This is also the reason why there have been no recorded matriarchies in human recorded history, and before that. There probably were some at the start, but after they were crushed again and again by patriarchies, groups of humans stopped adopting it, and gradually during hundreds of thousands of years patriarchy was heavily "selected for". (That's why matriarchies can only exist in an environment with no competing patriarchies [talking about great apes of course, other species are different situations, depending on sexual dimorphism etc]). However the answer to your other question, what if a chimp was somehow adopted at birth by a bonobo troop or vice versa, is probably different. Their violent, or non-violent (depends on which spieces we're talking about) would be suppressed or peer pressured, if you will, out of them. Imho, a chimp would never be as non-violent as bonobos, and a bonobo would never be as violent as the chimps, but in each scenario the chimp or bonobo would be violent or non-violent enough in order to fit in with the others of the group. Gradually, through interbreeding and social pressures, its descendants would be identical to all other members of the group.

[@masamasa191]

@@sergeant_chris6209 I love your explanation

[@sergeant_chris6209]

@@masamasa191 haha thanks! I really enjoyed writing it, so im glad someone appreciates it

[@Fishmans]

Personality and behaviour, just like everything else, is largely genetic.

[@sgttv8797]

2:51 Kanzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at his shoulders , hes huge.I love Bonobos !!!!!!

[@outandabout259]

His shoulders are huge, belly even bigger.

[@sgttv8797]

@@outandabout259 agreed ,Kanzie is massive . Proud to be one of his distant cousins. His wife pambanetia is incredibly smart too ,his son is so adorable ;)

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

He even learnt how to use fire without hurting himself. And instead if using it to cause mayhem, he just cooked a little marshmallow for himself.

[@guyonabus]

i never thought my attention span would increase just to watch a video about monkeys

[@TheJawadAbdullah.]

Orangutans - Maurice Gorrilas - Buck Bonobo - Koba Chimpanzee - Caeser Humans - Will

[@hylobateslar4151]

Well its not really fair to generalize like that. Koba was very violent due to his life history and abuse, despite being a bonobo.

[@TheJawadAbdullah.]

@@hylobateslar4151 Thus far the only good bonobo in the series was Rocket (I think)

[@hylobateslar4151]

Iirc Rocket was a chimp. I can't think of any other Bonobos in the series besides background apes, though I haven't seen the new movie yet.

[@TheJawadAbdullah.]

@@hylobateslar4151 Proximus Is a Bonobo but he's also a Villian,not as scarred or evil as Koba

[@fellowresearchertalloran]

​@@TheJawadAbdullah.Proximus was confirmed to be a chimp

[@petersmythe6462]

Gibbons are also FAST moving through the trees. They are the fastest ape.

[@monsieurLDN]

Im faster though

[@vbgvbg1133]

@@monsieurLDN by moving through, they meant swinging in the branches, not literally running through the tree itself

[@theapocilip]

gibbons are amazing its like real life spider man

[@JohnFartblast]

No humans are, we made jet planes lol

[@thiagobulhoesvianna]

I never thought I would ever say this, but he must ask for subscription and likes! There is no justification for this excellent channel has this little views. Keep the great work.

[@parazetamola6255]

I thougth this video was from a really big chanel, nice video man

[@antoniomv9444]

We have a similar story to the elephant, both pretty inteligent but because all of our evolutive cousins died out our closest relatives are a more hairy but still social animal.

[@jeremymullens7167]

It probably happens with every animal that doesn’t establish a different niche. Different species evolve in different regions by chance. Population increase and spread to new regions. ‘Best’ species out competes/inbreeding occurs.

[@SharkMerchant]

One of the best videos I’ve watched was about koko and whether or not she could talk. Forgot the name but if you look up “koko can’t/couldn’t talk” it should come up

[@davidarthurkingsworth9683]

6:13 its ASOCIAL, NOT anti-social. Being asocial can be synonym of being lonely or individualistic, while antisocial is like sociopaths, bad

[@droopy6372]

wait who asked again?

[@gumshake689]

@@droopy6372 me

[@brycelinnarz9387]

Dude what that is not true in the slightest while asocial and anti social are different being antisocial does not mean you have any kind of mental disorder

[@northamerica5142]

Antisocial just means you dislike socializing.

[@darthkenobi6726]

The stigma surrounding APD has made this commonly accepted, however this explanation is wrong. Not all sociopaths are bad people.

[@JumptheTrench]

the chimp thing is pretty awesome and it shows overthrowing is literally nature

[@sunstorm750]

Though they're probably the only apes that will rip your balls (and face) just cause you're in their territory, soooo i prefer the other apes

[@Cinema_Zerkalo]

So is cannibalsim, but as evolved creatures we humans should understand to go beyond the simple and stupid concept of if it's nature then it's good, otherwise killing another man just because it's in your garden would be lega- oh, nevermind

[@capibaradeluxe9193]

Lets eat some babies. Its natural.

[@AverageAlien]

@@Cinema_Zerkalo Nature is good. Nature is happiness. Death and adversity makes us happy. Lack of danger and adversity makes us depressed.

[@Cinema_Zerkalo]

@@AverageAlien If you were to be a monke that would be true because nature is the only thing you know and so it makes you happy. If you were to be a man who never posed himself questions and always respected and followed the status quo then perhaps it would also be true since men can't bare to work but is forced to sustain its addictions, and so nature becomes a momentary escape and reminder of what is real in life and what he lost in progress, but human beings can go beyond that straightforward line of experiencing life and elevate themselves over what we define nature, including men's societal norms.

[@sarahlynn7807]

Koko did not know concepts. It's arguable how many words she could really meaningfully sign either.

[@newwavepop]

i want to believe so bad that Koko knew all the things they claimed she did. but it is very obvious that some of the stuff she reportedly said about saving the environment etc... was clearly taught to her by her trainers, which puts anything she allegedly said in doubt. that said it is still a little remarkable how gentle she was with her kittens and with people such as some of the celebrities that went to meet her.

[@pierrebegley2746]

Yeah sad but true. As an aspiring zoologist, I feel lied to after all these years.

[@Mo-fx2ud]

@@newwavepop almost everything that people said she could do is a massive exaggeration or straight up lie

[@derekk.2263]

They brought in ASL signers numerous times to "translate" for her and every time they said that she wasn't saying anything. She just wiggled her fingers to get food.

[@trequor]

I love how many random arsewipes on KZbin claim to have insider knowledge of Koko's mind. It's absurd. You simply do not know.

[@PeterParker-ht1lt]

Absolutely love the channel! Just found it and I am excited to binge

[@mt33205]

It’s interesting that we seem to make a distinction between “understanding language” vs simple pattern recognition, when essentially that’s all language is. The only reason we feel it’s different is because it’s such an integral part of our society that we’re capable of using language to convey complex ideas much more concisely and quickly than other animals. But language is still something that we have to be taught, not an instinctive behaviour, and as such our own language is also, at its core, simple pattern recognition connecting objects, actions and descriptive features to sounds, just taken to a level that is deep and complex enough that we consider it to be something more. Grammar is another thing that is sometimes considered to be a defining trait, but grammar is also a concept that must be learned and practiced regularly to perfect. Our brains are just better wired for the massive amount of memorization required to learn human languages, which is only possible thanks to our ability to articulate an incredible variety of different sounds and intonations, and string them together in precise combinations to form “words”. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

[@Shnarfbird]

It could be about one's inherent capacity for language? In that humans are capable of absorbing more patterns, and dedicate a whole infancy to just listening

[@mt33205]

@@Shnarfbird totally agree, and I’m definitely not saying that people’s linguistic abilities are anything short of incredible. But like I said I think that’s just a result of our brains being far better wired for pattern recognition than most - if not all - other animals. My primary point is that although modern day human languages are FAR more complicated than basic pattern recognition, fundamentally speaking they are one and the same, our own languages just take that same basic pattern recognition to a truly unbelievably complex level!

[@mt33205]

@@JordnD Totally agree, and lifespan definitely plays a huge role particularly because it means that the older generation has a lot more time to teach the younger. Another HUGE factor in my opinion is written language, as it facilitates having a consistent foundation for language that is agreed upon, whereas other animals can only learn from their parents and MAYBE grandparents depending on their species lifespan, while we have thousands of years of language use written down that we can use to learn a huge number of words as well as more nuanced contextual applications in a much shorter period of time.

[@MacMan2152]

You are a degenerate reductionist. No, that's not what language is and it is not how language works.

[@justaway6901]

Its not that strange to think about that if humans go extinct, one of these great apes would fill in our niche. Probably a resurgence of new highly intelligent species.

[@midgetman4206]

Kinda, were kinda weird for going all in with intelligence. I don't know if they would get those pressures to get to the level we were at. I don't understand why we went this route either, maybe droughts forced us to use our omnivorous side to a greater extent and so had to find more ways to get food. It had to be a requirement to innovate and not stagnate, because at any point, if food was plentiful, we wouldn't have to improve. At least that's my guess, one that has no backing

[@benthomason3307]

Actually my money's on elephants.

[@sonofliberty78]

Lol, it doesn’t work that way. “Planet of the Apes” is fictional. We did not directly evolve from any ape species. Though we have a common ancestor; humans and apes parted evolutionary ways millions of years ago.

[@imafatboy27]

It is strange to think that lmao

[@gustavosauro1882]

Honestly, what niche do we fill/used to fill? Apex predators?

[@PantsuGod]

I'd like to add that it's the eastern gorillas that are the larger gorilla subspecies with the average weight of a male being somewhere around 200kg, whereas the western ones 150ish though western ones can also get to 200 and beyond especially in captivity.

[@kalvon]

I didn't know pantsu god also have interested on apes.... btw I prefer titties than panties... but still though, I respected you

[@PantsuGod]

@@kalvon ty lol. i love our not so related brothers, very interesting and intelligent animals. all started from arguments over their strength. they're stronger than humans lb for lb but chimps being 2-4x as strong as a man is a ridiculous myth i can very easily disprove if you want :)

[@imbored9784]

@@PantsuGod there are a lot of throwbacks in chimp vs human strength so here are some facts Humans have shorter arms which equals more punch and pull up strength Apes have longer arms and and less weight in their legs which gives perfect body type for hanging on tree chimp can hang on tree a lot longer than human Humans have long heavy legs that makes climibing and hanging hard About 30 % of humans weight is legs Chims have overall stronger muscules (not much thi) where humans have more precise in a nutshell if you have chimp to try to swing a sword or use a gun/bow it would be very terrible against a human also their body type is bad for throwing things where human is way better Anyways humans have evolved using tools more and caring less and less through history about strentgh while chimps needed strenght for example as mating stronger wins chimps real strenghts are their canine and their agression Chimps limbs/strenght arent that dangerous possible even less dangerous than humans but if you were to fight a chimp it would probably jump on you and start chewing your face so yeah there are posiibilities in both sides for wining There is a lot more to say and there could be a whole video about strenght the truth is that some thing are better in some areas and some are in other there is not much science done in this area and ppl are pretty disinformated most things you will see them saying apes are super strong just bc it sounds cool or atractts more attention to them after all we were apes before Hope this help and sorry for grammar engllish is not my language Also does it rly matter who is stronger we should all put our effort into helping each other and chimps are endangered we should help them as well

[@ThePanther97]

@@PantsuGod Yes, Eastern gorillas get extremely large, especially at old age. Some individuals look to be well past 500 lbs, to even 550+lbs max. There are males so large their stomachs almost touch the ground, which shows just how huge they get, while Western gorillas rarely ever look like that unless they're in captivity.

[@ernestgasp]

@@PantsuGod An American is using kilogrammes? This feels weird, but I like it. 😁

[@bing0bongo]

This is a fantastic video! (Your style reminds me a lot of Trey the Explainer). You definitely deserve more subscribers!!

[@stonecodfish2365]

Aw.. I always get a bit misty eyed when I see Koko and All Ball. She adored that kitty. You can argue about her cognitive abilities but there's no way she was faking grief.

[@whitealliance9540]

Great essay, good bibliography thing on the end. I give you a 95% A solid "A".

[@nolongerlistless]

Nice summary, excellent footage. For future reference, I thought I heard a couple of strangely incomplete words: -a) reciprocity - a useful term which is a bit of a bummer to produce - “ressi-prossi-ty” - in the UK, at least - with emphasis falling on the ‘pross’; and, b) hierarchical -“ higher-arc-kickal” with emphasis falling on the ‘arc’ (again, true for UK English). There may be other acceptable pronunciations, or I may have misinterpreted what was being said. Otherwise, the delivery was excellently clear and well-paced. Thanks and congratulations!

[@TheBudgetMuseum]

thank you!

[@Stebokanebo]

A NEW LEARNING CHANNEL!!! THATS A NEW ONE AND IT ISNT COMPLETELY BORING WITH SOME LIGHTHEARTEDNESS AND JOKES. Sign me up chief.

[@siddharthchoudhary4278]

Subscribed. Great content. All the best.

[@doozsromhacks]

Your channel has tierzoo potential. If you commit and upload more you'll definitely blow up, and specify into a specific style. Love the vids man, keep em up

[@MrKanedog16]

I’m so glad you showed a clip of some gibbon sounds

[@salsamancer]

Could you do a follow up explaining all about grape apes?

[@Seinsmelled]

grape ape

[@allrounder4677]

I am grape ape

[@animacts1524]

03:34 please make a video on gibbons

[@TGWTGCensored]

I'm pretty sure the term "great" here is being used in the old-fashioned sense of "big/large".

[@THEEGOBLINNE]

This skeleton in the museum was a man who died and got to hang out with ape skeletons like hes posing for an album cover. What a guy.

[@funnylookinrat]

Never been more fascinated by a video in my life

[@garyjust.johnson1436]

Say what you will about the primates, they are all further along the evolutionary trail than some of my relatives. Not proud, just sayin.

[@quetzilla762]

We are primates

[@RikoJAmado]

At least you are honest about it. I can respect that.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

lmao what evolutionary trail? There is no evidence of evolution in the fossil record in the first place. Speciation is wholly absent. There have been no new species for a very long time now. The logistics required for evolution makes the concept nonsense. It's impossible mathematically. Evolution is not even a functional or worked out theory. The discovery of DNA and germ theory alone completely destroyed the concept.

[@goku-san]

Evolution is the changes in the heritable characteristics over time in a population. Discovering DNA didn't disprove that. In fact the evolutionary history of a species is written into the genome. The rates of changes vary since there's many different factors involved. But it most definitely involves genetics. And changes to genes and DNA are always happening. In fact, we have changed a bit since our ancestors first evolved after we became more widespread and adapted to different environments.

[@beachchaos1863]

This was very informative, thank you!

[@aliciahoverson]

I love gorillas so much 🤩 It amazes me that such large beings eat vegetation, fruit and no meat. I suppose the same could be said for some dinosaurs. So cool.

[@celebalert5616]

Reason Number 9 - Apes know *loads* of swear words and they will teach you them if you ask. Gibbons can also be taught to drive which rules.

[@Drakonus_]

I love how the intro to this video was just "There are tons of animals".

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I'm more surprised at the revelation @0:15 that shows that perissodactyls are more closely related to the order Carnivora than they are to the cetartiodactyls.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

I like the lagomorph/primate team-up

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@williamchamberlain2263 I already knew Glires and Primates were closely related.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

@@thenerdbeast7375 good for you

[@colinloh6427]

Apes. Together, strong.

[@Thecrusadernator]

I was just searching up Dragon ball Great apes and it brought me here

[@samhianblackmoon]

This channel is really good 🔥👍🏽

[@shay4ojibwa638]

I love these creatures. My favorite is the orangutan, least favorite are chimps. I could watch orangutans and gorillas with their babies all day ❤

[@helloimjusthere4081]

Cause they are called great for a reason since they are great animals that you want to hug until they smack you and yeet you across the world

[@jonryder7269]

i for one think that gibbons are plenty great. Invite em over to the big boy table, be nice

[@williamchamberlain2263]

And siamangs: they're great singers.

[@T33-q9c]

Clearly the proboscis is also swell

[@matthewsermons7247]

Much like other "GREAT BOX OFFICE HITS" we could destroy half of all life on the planet.... "Sad But True" -Metallica

[@tomasviane3844]

Nice videos! Just the right amount of info and humour. I like your use of stock-pictures with the watermark still on it. At the job I used to do, we used pictures that we snatched from the internet to promote our activities (bowling, snooker...). It was some small scale social work for people with disabilities, but we got in trouble after a few of these images were apparantly property of some photostock company. Good we had a lawyer who saved us from a $10K fine...

[@Balrog-tf3bg]

I truly hope we don’t kill off all the great apes before we go extinct. Imagine in a few thousand years they’ve become sentient and are just wandering around whatever’s left of our civilizations wondering why they get itchy when going to the big holes

[@omarsheriff51]

Coco's ability to understand and use language is now largely debated, from what I've read.

[@LuisAldamiz]

I don't think so. What is however fascinating is that "talking" great apes never ask questions, however some parrots do.

[@karansingh1154]

1:05 why is the human skeleton posing like its a zombie.

[@jondigiacomo5539]

Thank You for your research.

[@theonlybilge]

Talking about orangutans just reminds me of the Internet Historian: Incognito Mode in the field video about monsters, where they talked about orangutan flaps, and a hypothetical ape school.

[@chair2945]

I just experienced a mind-boggling Deja Vu while introsoecting in the middle of the video. I was destined to come across this channel.

[@evolvedaustin4230]

Human apes are the most violent apes of all time.

[@kalinmir]

just no

[@Crakinator]

“Gorilla” doesn’t sound like a word after watching this video

[@Elena-ce8ek]

Gorilla 🦍

[@wakingup6382]

Stats on gorilla subspecies Height Eastern lowland gorilla 5ft 10.75 to 6ft 1 Western lowland gorilla 5ft to 5’5 Cross river gorilla 5’11 and a half feet Mountain gorilla 5’7 Eastern highland gorilla 5’6 Weight Eastern lowland gorilla 460 - 550 pounds Western lowland gorilla 350 pounds Mountain Gorilla 342 -355 pounds Crossirver gorilla 360 - 400 pounds Eastern highland gorilla 443 pounds Wingspan Eastern lowland gorilla 8ft 6 to 9ft Western lowland gorilla 8ft to 8ft 6 Mountain gorilla 7’7 Cross river gorilla 8ft 6 Eastern highland gorilla 9 feet

[@amazingpi]

I think you mean arm span

[@coldkun_]

i mean this in the best way possibly: you sound like a pitched up Joe Pera and i love it

[@danielnelson1983]

That was awesome! Need a part 2 with baboons in it!

[@danielnelson1983]

Ohh wait I just saw there's a dedicated baboon video!

[@davidec.4021]

Who tf set up that human skeleton lmaooo

[@kylecheng3710]

"Great apes are the greatest" - a great ape

[@Sebi076]

Great and very good informational video

[@mengontolsekalikau]

Kudos for introducing our not-as-great cousin gibbons. Gibbons are cool and definitely underrated.

[@michaelkeaton5394]

When i was young i'd go into this summer camp in western francethat was part of some sort of zoo where animals were semi free and there was Suamang there, i miss getting woken up by their singing, also there was a pretty old siamang female that decided to live alone after losing her mate...