Why I'm (completely) Out on Michael Penix Jr.

[@AlexRollinsNFL]

How are we ranking this year’s quarterbacks? Obviously I’ve only studied up on 2, but for now I’m putting Caleb at 1 (duh) and Penix is going to end up pretty dang low for me.

[@KrishPatel-dz8bl]

I disagree, but idk ig we shall see

[@Dawg-Bone]

For me, it’s Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix, McCarthy, Penix, Rattler, and the rest.

[@zackhurwitz9441]

​@@Dawg-Bonesame, except I'd flip Penix and McCarthy. They're close enough to where the scheme will be the biggest determining factor, but if I had to play one as a rookie between the two, it would be Penix.

[@deanbrown9977]

Can you cover Hartman from notre dame 🙏

[@jahmezis45]

Since when is a big arm not necessary in the NFL? Also footwork is something that can be worked on and rectified

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

*_I’m here just in case this video ages like milk (remember the Herbert pre-draft video?)_*

[@piccleface2228]

Exactly

[@ugoeze7360]

Ages into award-winning cheese or into chunky sour cow juice? 🤔

[@wesfields9322]

Yep Herbert had arguably the best pure qb numbers for a rookie. Complete opposite of what at least scout's saw.

[@vsauce4678]

Herbert was an awful QB prospect. Even if you knew Mario Cristobal was awful like he is. To assume a coach would fuck up a QB that bad is insane. But that's what happened

[@jacksonklark6119]

It most likely won't since most qb prospects do nothing in the league.

[@DailyMeditation365]

As someone that watched nearly every game he played at UW, his decision making could be questioned at times. However, his arm talent is undeniable and he uses leverage like no other passer in this draft. He throws the prettiest, tightest, deep ball spiral, but needs improvement on short/intermediate throws requiring touch. Some team will be very happy if they trade into the lower first round for him.

[@taylor3342]

I think a (if not “the”) big concern is his major injuries in college.

[@Akkbar21]

^this. I watched his entire season this year. He wasn’t razor sharp all the time, but the clutch gene is strong with him. Even bigger than master yoda! Special arm to be sure.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

IMHO: Pennix relied on WRs that outclassed their defenders (they win jump balls almost every time). The formula was obvious. Won't happen at the next level. Pennix repeatedly scrambled under a not-so-great offensive line and he would run while his great WRs found an opening, then last second made a play. Awesome, but not useful for the NFL. At the next level, he'll just be sacked. His offense required little recognition of defenses and he showed no high IQ doing that. He has arm talent. He has accuracy, but also has lots of spurts of terrible and he neeeds to read defenses... which wasn't a requirement. Not expecting much from Pennix in the NFL. I can be wrong and you can mock me if I am. Just one man's opinion.

[@xLCHe]

​@@trevorwesterdahl6245'Not so great offensive line'? Do you mean the Joe Moore Award winning offensive line?

[@Akkbar21]

@@trevorwesterdahl6245 who knows if penix can translate to the pros. He has the physical talent and the clutch gene. He’s a leader and a hard worker, having come back from multiple bad knee injuries. I’d be hAppy to give the young man a chance to lead my team. we shall see.

[@lenzzzzzzz]

If your this hard on Penix lol you gonna destroy Jayden Daniels 😂🤣😂

[@lostnemesis]

Especially since he doesn't know how to slide and he doesn't avoid hard hits.

[@mattl8774]

​@@lostnemesis can't slide with that rail thin frame? He's gonna get jacked up quick.

[@alan.s5773]

Jayden Daniels will be a much better NFL QB than Penix. You must not have watched many LSU games.

[@jacobhodge7335]

@@lostnemesisWatch pocket presence….

[@blackfangofargentina]

@@alan.s5773 Watching WR film from LSU proves that Jayden Daniels has at least the same amount of issue as Penix rn. He consistently throws late as hell and misses open receivers

[@warmarchine1178]

So We’re discrediting a Qb because he’s using His 1st round WRs and pushing the ball like his Coaches scheme requires!? ….😂

[@rthraitor]

did you even watch the video?

[@mrredd8439]

Thank you.

[@Alex-gw9id]

I guess we should discredit Odunze as well because too much of his production was from deep passes lol

[@grege5074]

i think his argument here is "his receivers in the NFL won't have this massive talent gap that his college receivers did"

[@mattm8441]

Well he won't have NFL quality receivers in the NFL, so it's a good point, right?

[@zackhurwitz9441]

Here before the "what about your Herbert video, Alex?" comments.

[@Ajt17c]

What does this mean?

[@Akkbar21]

This dude is way off usually unless it’s obvious stuff. Penix has as good a chance as anyone else.

[@LucasFerreira-cq8qz]

@@Ajt17c He released a video before the 2020 draft saying the same thing about Herbert: great college QB, but his skills and game style doesn't translate to the NFL, people just liked him because of his physical traits and huge arm. In his defense Herbert was a really tamed and limited QB in Oregon, but now we know that it was all coaching and offensive philosophy not that Herbert himself wasn't a capable passer.

[@LucasFerreira-cq8qz]

@@Akkbar21 not trying to defend him but QBs are really that hard to evaluate, way more than game tape goes in evaluating QBs. There's a reason why most teams with their million dollar scouting teams suck at evaluating QBs. If he was right more than he was wrong he wouldn't be here on KZbin he would be a senior scout somewhere for a NFL team.

[@jasoneng3161]

​@tejumanyam1I mean Herbert had a complete change in the NFL compared to his tape in college. Pretty much everyone was wrong on him

[@GeorgesOpinion]

I’m going back and judging people who hyped up Zach Wilson & seeing if they’re to be trusted when it comes to quarterback evaluations

[@ReallyGotMotion]

Did this clown Alex hype up Zach Wilson?😂

[@Big.steppa.reese0]

Almost everyone got Zach Wilson wrong. No one is 100% with this stuff.

[@t4d0W]

@@Big.steppa.reese0 People getting Zach Wilson wrong isn't really the indictment. Its the fact that people *KEPT* defending him after a season where its clear what his limitations were and what he wasn't fixing in his 2nd year of tape. Like sure Wilson will have one game where everything comes together and he wouldn't be able to replicate that again for another long stretch.

[@sp123]

​@@Big.steppa.reese0 Former NFL Scout Daniel Kelly did not like Zach Wilson

[@Big.steppa.reese0]

@@sp123 Daniel Kelly is a contrarian. You should see some of his past takesA broken clock is right twice a day😂And that’s giving Kelly too much credit

[@Bernard.Daniel]

Arm Talent + Work ethic = Franchise QB.

[@mrgotitfordalow]

Lol takes a lot more than that.

[@justinthegoat3948]

So will Levi’s?

[@bigjared8946]

Drew Lock says "hi".

[@buddybarlow9604]

Bullshit "arm talent"

[@gwell66v2AnimeReviews]

Need IQ and processing speed too otherwise youll just be Zach Wilson

[@TheOriginalGankstar]

I appreciate how straight-up you are with your analyses. No sugar-coating.

[@OsceolaNola7]

Straight up ridiculous

[@Akkbar21]

Look at his track record.

[@itshadouken]

I think this is a parody, he said “driving the ball down the field does not work at the next level” at the very start. So either this is a joke or dude is a fool

[@abirodriguez2347]

He maybe can’t extend the plays like other really good qb’s but he can avoid the sack. Against Texas in the semifinal, he repeatedly avoided getting sacked, and one of Texas’ biggest strengths was the D-line. He’s got a great arm, so I think it’s gonna come down to where he gets drafted and his ability to stay healthy. I think he needs to go to an offensive head coach led team.

[@noredoosno2929]

Dolphins is a perfect fit

[@rlft8611]

His wide receivers bailing him out would be negated if he went to the Seahawks

[@TheYobo1016]

They allegedly had a decent secondary as well. I was stunned by how he played against Michigan. They must have looked at the Arizona St. tape. Another weird game.

[@abirodriguez2347]

@@TheYobo1016 I knew Michigan was going to win, they just had so much future NFL players and had a bunch of returning guys from the previous year. Plus Michigan built their team to beat Ohio State, and Washington was like Ohio State offensively.

[@roderickmcintosh5641]

How do you identify that Washington employs a verticals concept in their offense, then turn around and knock him for "throwing the ball deep too much"? If everyone is running deep then how can you knock him for that?

[@kevinpopham2956]

So, identifying one on one coverage and constantly getting the ball to your best playmakers is now a bad thing? Also has a video titled Caleb Williams (kind of) struggles on film. Caleb struggled to make plays within the structure of the offense, and he takes alot of bad sacks because of it. Williams took 33 sacks this season, Penix took 32 sacks in 5 years as a starting qb. Penix gets the ball out of his hand and gives good players a chance to make a play. He does little things that keep his team out of bad down and distance situations and gives them chances to win games. I'd rather have a guy who does what he is supposed to do to help his team win than a more talented player who performs below expectations trying to play hero ball all the time.

[@banksta3]

That's a crazy stat. Obviously people see Williams creating and wanna label him as the next Mahomes. But Mahomes has ELITE pocket presence, and will find the RB for a 4 yard gain. Williams on the other hand, misses open guys and takes sacks while directing traffic down field. Obviously he's young and can be coached up, but is Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron the duo to do it?

[@Whaleindowed]

He said he lacked touch and decision making at times. Which is true

[@davischalmers4245]

He was saying that Penix looks to throw it deep to Odunze rather than actually progressing through his reads leading him to miss open receivers. This would be an issue in the NFL because he won't have an Odunze to bail him out on poorly placed deep balls.

[@rawihago4965]

This video made no sense. It starts off praising Penix for being able to "make all the throws" and also some throws he's never seen a QB make, for finding holes in places no QB finds holes, and for his willingness to push the ball downfield with the best of them. I thought Rollins was about to anoint him the next CJ Stroud. But then he just went on a negative nacny parade. He actually criticized Penix for always being willing to give Odunze a shot on one-one coverage -- like this is a bad thing? And like it proves that Penix owes his success to Odunze, bu apparently none of Odunze's success was helped by hving Penix deliver the ball to him at the first hint of a crack of daylight. if Penix was Fools Gold, has Rollins figured out what likely happends wwhen a highly talented WR doesnt have a pretty talented QB thrwoing to him? Nothing, thats what happens. The WR talent is wasted, he may still put up good numbers but the offense as a whole is decidedly un-explosive. Happens all the time.

[@TheSpink02]

Not to mention something like 40 fumbles for Williams, usually at the worst possible time after he just ignored a wide open guy for an easy first down.

[@mattr6973]

I ain’t gonna lie, I completely disagree with most of this video. When he misses receivers, most of the time he misses on their side, which is a big plus trait that gets lost often. He dominates from the pocket, but definitely is weak if he gets flushed out, however you can win with being dominant from the pocket. I think he’ll need to land in a spot with weapons and at least an average o line, but I believe he can succeed at the NFL level

[@CJStew06]

I definitely see and agree with the questions about his accuracy and touch over the middle, but I'd be nervous to write this guy off. Not many college QBs show the kind of aptitude and confidence within the pocket like Penix. He's a bit of a throwback in that way. Always stays behind his blockers, doesn't panic or bail on the pocket, and rarely takes sacks. I'll sacrifice some accuracy concerns for a guy who is tough and calm in the midst of chaos.

[@mnm2317]

I do like that you, literally, ask them to prove you wrong. It's like guaranteeing all predictions wrong or your money back (on a free video).

[@TheJustinpgardner]

So you think that college receivers who "bail" him out are going to be MORE talented than pro players? The ability to layer in passes in coverage is a remarkably tough thing to do, and if this guy has the vision to spot those opportunities, that is massive. And every clip that you're showing basically shows him not making an absolutely perfect pass, but 90% of passes aren't perfect and require receiver adjustments. I've watched every single play that Mahomes has made over the course of the past 7 years and he is far from perfect. And yet he's considered one of the best that has ever played the game. Additionally, who's to say this guy has to come right out of the gate and start playing? A team could put him behind somebody like Kirk Cousins for a couple years and develop his talents. This seems like it's going to age poorly.

[@Doors067]

Right! Lmao

[@bigdaddyc7266]

If it wasn't for Michael's injury history he is without a doubt a top 10 QB. Is he a finished product coming out of Washington ofcourse not but if I'm a smart NFL franchise I take my chances. Sit him a year and work on his anticipation. I absolutely love his arm talent and makes quick decisions in the pocket. Some analysts overthink things and people like this is why a solid prospect like Brock Purdy slides to the 7th round.

[@robfink5931]

And yet JJ McCarthy did even less in college and since the season has ended his stock has risen. Also, Bo Nix mostly just distributes the ball with among the lowest air yards in the nation. Is it easier for Nix to learn to throw an accurate deep ball or for Penix to learn to distribute short passes?

[@boljo1213]

Michael penix 9.2 yards per attempt. Bo nix 9.6 yards per attempt with a 77% completion rate. Seems like penix may be the short distributor.

[@robfink5931]

@boljo1213 look up average air yards per attempt and yards after catch.

[@donleonard4446]

@@boljo1213my guy that adds in yards after the catch you can avg 10 yards per attempt but throw a bubble screen

[@brooklynopinion2946]

@@donleonard4446😂😂

[@normanbowers5669]

That's actually a very legitimate question. It is not easy to learn either in the pros. Probably more guys have failed by not being able to learn to distribute short passes, but guys without big arms aren't pushed as hard to be #1 QB's. Guys who can only distribute become backup quarterbacks. Guys who can't distribute end up out of the league no matter how big their arms are. I think it's worth drafting him if he can be in a Jordan Love situation. He's got a lot to learn, but I think he can learn it.

[@IsaiahBallSoHard]

A great video. I had the same idea on Penix I heard all this hype, but watching him McMillan and Romeo and Polk are all solid weapons and the fast ball point is very apparent!!

[@BMilly24]

I just got dumber by watching this. Penix is going to be a certified star, he’s an elite passer of the football.

[@jackpabich763]

I'd love to hear you and Connor Rogers discuss Penix. I love hearing how people can view a player in very different ways

[@bouncingboredom]

"His skillset doesn't translate to the NFL" (proceeds to show a bunch of stuff that NFL QBs do, like trusting their receivers to win 1vs1s on the outside)

[@samuelault4723]

Arm strength cant work as a crutch for poor timing in the pros the same way it does in college.

[@tj-kg4co]

@@samuelault4723no need to explain they don’t understand 😂

[@astronorthwet636]

Exactly. He throws his receivers open and puts them between the ball and the defender. That’s textbook.

[@dallas768]

@@astronorthwet636sometimes he does he also throws them into coverage

[@t4d0W]

@@astronorthwet636 Eh. There is a difference with your perception of that to say CJ's college tape and what he was doing with the Texans his first 8 weeks. And CJ was encouraged to grip it and rip it. Took Nico Collins awhile to adjust but the reward was him being a big receiver with major YAC potential.

[@RyanNelson404]

that "arm strength vs arm talent" bit was quite informative. The 'eye test' showed me something was just ..'off' and I don't think its 'fixable'.

[@Boskibro]

You mean he is black?

[@carsondavy9892]

this man wrong. everyone who watched even the worst UW game will tell you that Penix has ELITE accuracy and arm strength. not to mention the great decision-making (in-scheme or outside). so then let’s just rail him for being injured and the things you don’t like about him..?

[@andreamaya1689]

Just say you didn’t watch the video or Penix’s film… he does not, please educate yourself

[@charlesfaure1189]

The throw at 4:40 is with an unblocked DL in the pocket with him. Stop seeing what you want to say and try seeing what's there.

[@MotivationBeyond369]

Bruh these analysts are so sleep on this guy..I think he’s gonna be a beast for whatever team that decides to take a chance.i get the injuries but he’s a beast.

[@lenzzzzzzz]

Penix with a year behind a Vet could become dangerous tho

[@Sakattack2023]

He’ll be like 40 by then lmao development isn’t even a considers for him and Bix, they’re as good as they’re gonna get.

[@jasoneng3161]

​@@Sakattack2023penix is 23 right now, plenty of time for him to develop if he stays healthy. Nix is a bit older, but honestly it doesn't really matter since the main thing they need to improve is their mental processing

[@Sakattack2023]

@@jasoneng3161 3 season ending injuries and being a statue says no. lol bro, you don’t know enough about your body and sports. Please go research. Penix won’t develop much (only way is if he’s in a good SYSTEM with a stud oline)

[@jasoneng3161]

@@Sakattack2023 bro I obviously know about the injuries, that's why it's a good idea for him to sit behind someone. He can get used to the NFL systems while not taking damage to his body. If he a good coach and a good system, he has a solid chance to be a starter in the league. He's super coachable and by all accounts he's a hard worker. Tf else is he supposed to do? Just retire? It's unlikely he's gonna be a star, but he can be solid in the right situation

[@lenzzzzzzz]

@@Sakattack2023 he’ll be 24 this season he can afford to take a year off. Shit 25 was typically when QBs would get their chance to start anyways. The Rams could pick him up to back to learn behind Stafford, or whatever team picks up Kirk Cousins. The biggest problem is there aren’t really many vets to study under.

[@astronorthwet636]

You’re wrong about Penix. He is absolutely an NFL quarterback. The NFL is full of QBs who dink and dunk and we’ve all seen those guys get picked off when the receiver pops the ball up, or the QB doesn’t see the linebacker in the middle of the field. What most NFL QB’s can’t do is what Penix excels at, the long ball, cross field throws to the sidelines, dropping the ball in at 40 yards to a well covered receiver a foot inside the the sideline. I’ll take that any time over a dink and dunk interception machine. And the other thing Penix is, is a winner. He doesn’t have to be accurate to throw a receiver open, aka putting his receivers between the ball and the defender. But I would argue he’s as accurate as any of the top 6 QBs. Can he improve on the short game? Sure. Who couldn’t use a better short game. A lot of QBs like Daniels will just scramble on what should be a short throw. Penix will throw it away and live for the next down. Is that bad? Better than an INT. Scrambling is ok except that’s how you get hurt as an NFL QB. Penix has only had two complete seasons which were at UW. He didn’t get injured because he became a pocket passer. And he became a great pocket passer. He’s smart and trainable. I think it’s a mistake to think Penix can’t learn in the NFL and develop a short game. On everything else he is WAY better than other top QB’s. 10:56

[@jenniferscott8271]

My son is a high school qb who sees his future in coaching or scouting. He loves the game and at 16 understands it like a savant. We have a hard time keeping him stimulated. He watches all of your stuff, and we are wondering where you trained or what books or courses prepped you for your film study. Outside of Madden, there are times where we have never heard of the concepts you present as common knowledge in the pro and college game. Any direction you could provide would be great! Our son is very hungry to learn. Thank you, and we love your videos.

[@RileyRichards-q4l]

he doesn't know ball

[@nitehawk_100]

Last year you were all on Bryce young nuts.

[@OPTICXPROTOTYPE]

Bryce was throwing to a #1 target 33 year old slot WR and had one of the worst OL in the NFL

[@davidwilliams4837]

I feel for Bryce, but I didn't understand how people thought he was in anywhere near Stroud in terms of talent. I LOVED Stroud before the draft. [Now, I probably jinxed the poor guy].

[@madguitarist63]

Love KZbinrs saying a guy that would be an easy top 10 pick if not for injuries doesn't do anything well for the NFL 😂

[@prapra15777]

this aged well

[@AshS85]

Penix loves the game. He's pull it together, especially if he gets to sit for a year or two.

[@dabroval]

I actually fully agree. I never got the Penix hype, always thought he was more of a early day 3, late day 2 type of guy. Great arm strength, good pocket presence, but a mountain of red flags. Old, season ending injuries, inconsistent, spotty accuracy, poor ball placement, no anticipation or touch throws, never throws over the middle, average athlete with no creation ability. And all of that behind one of the best offensive lines in college football with maybe the best WR core. Maybe he‘ll prove me wrong and looks like a different player in the league but I wouldn’t wanna be the one finding out.

[@JayDee-b5u]

I think he's got great talent but I don't think he's quite built for this game. The wincing and effective 'tapping out' demeanor he had in the National Championship game is scary. I wouldn't want to invest in a QB that can't handle the moment. (Lamar Jackson falls to pieces every playoffs). I actually think he has all the tools but his heart isn't up to it.

[@jofieji5312]

He’s 24 that’s not really old. Mahomes has won 3 sb at 28. If penix could even get you too a Super Bowl before 28 that’s not a bust.

[@maras00jr49]

I would argue that LSU has the best WR core. Other than that, I completely agree.

[@ligmaemperor7064]

@@jofieji5312 hes old for someone just getting drafted

[@jofieji5312]

@@ligmaemperor7064 I get that but 24 isn’t old. Not for a qb. Especially a qb who doesn’t really rely on his legs as his main weapon.

[@00ghostcobra]

Name a better pocket passer in this draft than Penix? I'll wait...

[@franklinfisher497]

JJ

[@andysawyer647]

​@@franklinfisher497no

[@Jmofromthebando7]

@@franklinfisher497lmao nice joke. I think he meant a good pocket passer

[@00ghostcobra]

@@franklinfisher497 I am a huge Michigan fan and McCarthy is good.. But there is no way that he has better pocket awareness than Penix Jr.

[@banksta3]

​@@franklinfisher497 JJ is one of the best QBs in the draft creating outside the pocket, but he's just ok in between the tackles.

[@chrishendricks7362]

I love that KZbin offers an outlet for the people dealing with a schizophrenic disorder a platform to express themselves. Good job buddy!

[@ThinkTwice2222]

Remember, this is a kid in his early 20s that's already reached levels we'll never see. Agree, but let's give the kid some respect where it's due

[@Akkbar21]

According to the yt brain trust, no young man could ever expand his skills? Silly assessment. Lazy work imo. This guy gets it wrong constantly on this channel. All he’s good at is breaking down obvious stuff. His predictions of difficult, uncertain stuff is all over the place. Penix could be a journeyman or a star. This guy doesn’t know.

[@boljo1213]

We're not comparing him to regular everyday idiots watching KZbin, like ourselves. He's going to the NFL. So pointing out facts, good or bad, isn't disrespectful.

[@n.hoppy2]

I feel like a lot of this is fixable if he comes into the right situation. He has amazing arm talent that could set him apart from others in the league if he gets the mechanics and reading the defense right

[@matthewJay88]

I honestly don’t get all the negatives on Penix. Feels like it’s more related to his age and injury history.. I’m a Michigan guy and very confused why McCarthy is considered better - and I love JJ.. Also, think some of the stuff you’re pointing out is due to the fact that he knew he was playing with odunze. You could say a lot of the same things about Matthew Stafford when he was playing with Calvin Johnson. Some assumed he couldn’t read the defenses because he would force the ball to Johnson, but he just knew that Johnson couldn’t be covered. I see a lot of similarities in Penix n think he’s a much better processor than people realize.

[@davidwilliams4837]

Well said.

[@matthewayre7652]

"Massive tall dudes with huge wingspans who could jump you out of the gym" Like London and Pitts? Maybe the Falcons watched this video...

[@DoTheAstralPlane]

10:00 kinda funny because that's basically what happened in essence lol. Drake London and Kyle Pitts are huge catch radius contested catch guys who can win 50/50 balls. Maybe Atlanta is just the right situation for him, we'll see

[@willbrewster976]

4:00 You mean his wrs who don't separate very well, but have good ball skills?

[@bobbobby602]

So what your telling me is he just needs some good to elite wr an some decent coach's to help train him to become a good qb ? Skol

[@LetThisUsernameNotBeTaken]

I genuinely think that this guy can be a stud, I just love watching him play

[@skylerwilner8444]

How do you lead the nation in completions but it’s because your receivers always “bailed” you out? This dude funny man

[@UnknowinglyBetter2]

The same guy who said Herbert was a bust😂

[@AlexSmith-rh7mc]

he hasen't won shit and has a losing record

[@banksta3]

​@@AlexSmith-rh7mc Williams hasn't won shit and has a much worse record than Penix. You taking Penix over Caleb?

[@richardmsalazar2718]

@@AlexSmith-rh7mc I’m so tired of people measuring qb’s talet by this. It’s a team sport. It takes everyone to win. I’m a raider fan, we play him twice a season and let me tell you their record has nothing to do with him. That coaching staff was trash. Herbert is 100% elite with a wack org and wack coaching staff.

[@maddenking9616]

Dude just created a new statistic “Hole Shot Percentage”

[@JS-sv3fk]

Let’s always remember there’s gonna (hopefully) be growth that comes with nfl coaching and playing experience. Of course he could be fools gold, but any prospect can be.

[@chawkfan94]

"... his game is all about the deep ball" Tell me you didnt actually watch a lot of tape without telling me. He throws the best deep out and digs in this class by far. And Grubb's offense was create at picking on the hook to seam defender. Im not saying Penix doesnt have his faults(namely his footwork) but that is not a well researched statement IMO. Also the stuff you harkened on the most - finding layered throws and guys open in the flat to curl? That happened a TON in the Texas game, yet you showed none of that?

[@ironfistalexander3246]

I’m an Indiana fan and I’m thankful for Penix giving us the only season worth remembering in my lifetime but I have to try to remove my bias. I don’t see 1st rounder like many people do. It’s not even mainly the injury or the age (all though that plays a factor), it’s his lack of efficiency at the intermediate level of the field that’s just a killer. It’s because he doesn’t throw many balls with touch. Hope he succeeds though, there’s not many IU representatives in the NFL.

[@joshe955]

Penix will EASILY end up a top 3 QB from this draft 😭 idk what you’re waffling about dude; btw he throws with insane leverage

[@dariangorman4830]

Man, you’re off base. Deep ball placement, pre snap recognition, best post snap recognition in the draft, and best natural thrower. Best back shoulder throw, and ability to both the lasers and layers throws. Led college football in big time throws by a lot, and typically throws deep incompletions when he is trying to throw it away to a spot the defender can’t get too it. I can find more incompletions and inaccuracy on Caleb, JDs, or Mayes tape. He shows plenty of tape where he has perfect placement. At this point, you’re just being a hater, and I’m also here to see this age like Milk.

[@dariangorman4830]

Also, gets rid of the ball quickly, doesn’t get sacked when pressured, sacked on 5% of plays he’s pressured, a lot of his incompletions deep are ones he kind of throws away in the sense, he thows it away from defenders, to a spot likely nobody gets it, but if anyone does, it’s his WR. Also, you’re going to fault him for aggressively taking shots, in a offensive scheme that runs on stretching the field? Also, he has more good deep passes, and big time throws, than anyone in this class. He had a 65% comp percentage with the highest depth of target. I can find just as many alarming stats with the other prospects, in fact, more alarming, and tape. Caleb holds onto to the ball an alarming amount of time, JD lack’s anticipation, plays a very college offense, the most open throws in the draft, Maye struggles throwing outside of the numbers, and with his speed of progressions, and mechanics, also takes too many sacks when pressured, Nix has a average arm, doesn’t go past 1st progression, and most of his passes were at, or behind the line. The MOST pro ready, wasn’t translate to the pros game, is Penix.

[@andycockrum1212]

Penix will be the most successful QB of this class. If you can make Indiana University good, you’re a goat

[@christopherharris3229]

Good point

[@PlaySA]

I agree with most of your points, but I think Washington's scheme didn't really give him a chance to show that he can excel in the short to intermediate area. Not enough reps

[@ToofKilla]

I agree that he's missing some polish, but as we know from the past, polish doesn't mean anything in college. Penix has elite arm strength and at times great ball placement on 50-50 balls. The concerns the NFL will have are his injury history. Also, he has come up in a modern college spread offense, which are notorious for being coached incorrectly in order to simplify them (it works until you face competent defenses like Michigan). All the knocks here can be trained to be corrected, especially if he sits a year or two in a decent system and learns to run an offense that's not always in shotgun. Calling him Fools Gold seems like a write off that is undeserved.

[@tripleoo0]

About halfway into the video right now, and I can't help but think about Russell Wilson a little bit. Russ did this sort of thing all the time in Seattle - didn't like checking the ball down, especially after Marshawn moved on to Oakland, let Tyler Lockett and Doug Baldwin figure out their own routes based on how *they* read their coverage, and preferred to hang back and wait for a deep ball when pressured. Wilson had ultra-rare deep accuracy and was, at his peak, one of the most difficult QBs to corral in NFL history, though. Penix profiles closer to Geno Smith, but Geno can and will check the ball down when necessary, and doesn't take sacks when his deep option isn't there.

[@fledgendbeats4581]

Took Geno couple years of sitting down to figure that out though

[@AlexSmith-rh7mc]

not even close to russel wilson try again

[@wheeler116]

difference is wilson had much more escapability(and arguably worse pocket presence) than penix

[@t4d0W]

@@fledgendbeats4581 Sorta that but I think he also didn't end up in a situation with the talents and a coaching staff with Waldron to figure things out easy. Its funny because when bad teams fell in love with QBs like Baker and Zach Wilson for their mobility, arm strength but some questionable decision making, Geno been had those traits and been honing his reps for at least a decade.

[@jeffreyjiang4590]

nah penix is curry comin outta davidson, the talent is just insane

[@BellcowYT]

Dude has a video called, Kinlaw is the next deforest buckner. Also Jerry Jeudy is the MOST versatile weapon in the draft.

[@isaiahwilliams2332]

If there was a perfect science to the draft bust wouldn’t exist. That’s why the draft is so fun because you never really know

[@anti-socialprogramming2203]

This video could backfire tremendously, you're bold

[@treytonhowell7484]

Zero film from his best game of the year in the Sugar Bowl against Texas? Be serious. Can’t wait to come back to this video in a year. This take is gonna age like milk bro 😅

[@FootballGoatGuru]

A guy named "Penix" likes hole shots? How could we not have seen this coming

[@Steven-pu8ws]

😂

[@TheSpink02]

Do realize it's pronounced PEN ix, not PEEN ix? It might have been funny if that was the case but it just makes you look stoopid.

[@alsavery9306]

People with conviction should put money where their mouth is. Take a bet like: I'm willing to donate $1 million to a charity if I'm wrong. When people do that I'll take their words more seriously.

[@basedlord88]

Lmao this will be fun to revisit

[@Oklahoma-Dreaming]

I had a brother who could spout college stats ad nauseum on players and use them to say who’d be great in the NFL. It made me groan. But I’ve said for as long as I can remember that, if you want to know who’s got a real shot, start first with his mechanics and traits and only use statistics maybe as a tiebreaker. Look at Marino. It’s been awhile since I saw his college stats but I believe he had a 1 on his TD-2-INT ratio his senior season. Just looking at that you’d be tempted to say, “Bust!” Well, as Lee Corso might say, “Not so fast my friends!” Marino obviously was one helluva arm talent with a quick release and you had to figure that would help him against NFL DBs. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes had such similar arm strength is was eery: each could throw 62 MPH and 80 yards. Obviously Mahomes has done better but Allen is no slouch and Josh’s story isn’t finished yet. Anyways you can teach a QB to read defenses but you can’t teach him arm strength, and teaching him new mechanics will be tricky at 22.

[@googlechicken]

Throwing footballs doesn’t translate to the NFL?

[@rcg9573]

Yeah, this guy was also high on Zach Wilson per draft and said he’s the type of QB NFL teams need. LOL

[@zorianthornton6698]

dang this is 11mins of real hate...

[@giannilafave]

Not even good hating either. Could all be explained away to his scheme, or even just looking at the exact film he's providing and just think of the process is doing.

[@dabbingtoast7743]

-Rough throwing mechanics. -He’s gonna be 24 going into his rookie season. -Suffered two ACL tears in the same knee along with injuries to both shoulders. -His best film is exclusively go balls down the sideline to NFL caliber receivers with little to no film of him working the short or intermediate areas of the middle of the field. I’d still take him over Bo Nix because Auburn Bo Nix was a thing we can all go back and watch at any time, but I wouldn’t take him in the 1st. Also since you aren’t really going by the projected mock draft order, I humbly request that your next video explains *what in the hell GMs are looking at when they see JJ McCarthy.*

[@cml007]

Oh no he's 24! Whatever shall teams do with a qb more prepared to win now under a rookie contract than a 21/22 year old who needs to sit several years 😢 We agree about Mccarthy though, dude is zach Wilson 2.0

[@dabbingtoast7743]

@@cml007 There’s nothing wrong with drafting a 24 year old prospect (see Joe Burrow). The problem is that Michael Penix Jr. is not a good 24 year old prospect. He’s had 2 years of actual playing experience due to his extensive injury history, his mechanics aren’t great, he isn’t really athletic, and he doesn’t work the middle of the field.

[@doughurst6404]

This is going to age like milk hahahahahahaha best pure pocket passer in the class

[@irift3]

Broooo. As he was going through the vid, all I could think was Jay Cutler and then... He shows the Bears with Alshon and Brandon lmao

[@isaiahwilliams2332]

If there was a perfect science to the draft, bust wouldn’t exist. Your not gonna get every prospect right that’s why the draft is so fun

[@irift3]

@@isaiahwilliams2332 Agreed. But I'm not saying Cutler was a hit or bust. I think he graded out as a decent starting QB. It's sad that everyone these days wants every kid to be the greatest of all time. Let them just play the game.

[@isaiahwilliams2332]

@@irift3 I commented on the wrong comment lmao someone else was talking foolish but ima get ‘em right

[@irift3]

@@isaiahwilliams2332 You're good my dude. I didn't take it badly/personal and your comment is still correct either way lol. Now I'm hearing Bears are trading Fields soon. As a Bears fan, this is gonna be a stomach churning year, for better or worse 🫣

[@isaiahwilliams2332]

@@irift3 you don’t want Caleb Williams?

[@danielqiu3779]

So if Giants get Odunze he can somehow make Jones look good😂

[@Ba1aamsdonkey]

6:00 that wasn't a wild shot. That was Penix knowing the defense and that he'd get a PI.

[@scottryall]

Started to throw before the contact happened

[@nykia31]

He's shaky as hell when he has to throw off platform or create. He's a really good college player, but I'd be really surprised if he's better than a career backup in the NFL.

[@21striver38]

You ever coming back to video game football @nykia31? New NCAA this year.

[@sportsbettingeducation]

Did you happen to watch the Texas UW game?

[@MF_DOOMer]

Where u been at? U went AWOL

[@ReallyGotMotion]

Ha

[@debsmith7861]

Yup❤

[@willyn4376]

This vid about to age like milk 🫡🔥🔥🐐

[@droidean]

I think with time and effort he can develop into a good NFL qb. I think getting him in the 3rd round would be great value.

[@thewestisthebest6608]

Penix is the best QB in this draft and no one knows it yet

[@Aidenm1007]

he’s gonna be 2nd in roty voting but people are gonna think he should’ve won it but he’s gonna have a pretty good year

[@t4d0W]

2nd in ROTY with which bad team who chooses to start him?

[@desange6815]

And just as the video ends “if he got drafted to the bears with the twin towers…” Man goes to ATL with their twin towers! Perfect landing sport and no pressure to succeed year one or even two!

[@mariusadenso372]

I love how honest you are, but I hope Michael can prove you wrong

[@parkercrossland410]

Honestly wll depend on the franchise that drafts him There are maybe only 10 or so teams i trust not to guarantee fuck up a young qb, and most already have their guy rn.

[@t4d0W]

@@parkercrossland410 This. I'd give Penix the benefit of the doubt if he lands in a team with an offensive coaching staff and a great roster on offense to play to his strengths. But if he lands in a bad org even on day 2, he's cursed.

[@parkercrossland410]

@@t4d0W Honestly the best possible outcome for him is to be taken as a day 2 pick by Seattle and sit behind Geno before taking the reigns after a year or 2 of they think he's ready. Basically no change in environment and a fanbase that already likes him, plus a team that has gotten good value out of QB's that were not highly regarded before Seattle in Russ and Geno.

[@CoachAmorim]

Talent is there but he needs the right system to translate himself into a good QB.

[@bretkester8316]

And a fantastic o-line. I don’t think he will do too well otherwise.

[@jaredclark173]

isn’t that every quarterback tho?

[@t4d0W]

@@jaredclark173 Not really. Herbert has absolutely crushed his floor having played with 4 different OCs, meh WRs, no real running game and a spotty O-line at the pro level. Even with an OC whose passing offense were dink and dunks/runs on early downs and curls/stick routes that doesn't go past the marker on late passing downs. Mothafucka still tried to make it work and was a reason why the Chargers were competitive in late games when Staley couldn't get shit right. CJ Stroud was not only making Nico Collins and Tank Dell look really good but it made Slowik's wide zone style offense work even when the O-line was tanked the first 7 weeks due to injuries. Some QBs help elevate the existing scheme than what its expected to be.

[@matthewdavis3014]

This feels like another legendary take like “Mahomes can’t beat the blitz” and “the Ravens are elite without superstars”

[@troxistmajin8740]

Penix is also injury prone, so I bet the Jets take him.

[@KeepItReal213]

He was healthy the last 2 years 😉🔥

[@lonnyrowden2630]

What’s fools gold is all the idiots who subscribe to the channel. The oldest fallacy in the book is “It hasn’t happened before so it won’t now”. Penix makes the hard throws and can adjust to shorter routes. The QB also has to play within the scheme. Penix did make a few mistakes going deep, but also made many awesome throws.

[@FightToLiveRight-K65]

The guy went undefeated and beat USC along the way. No QB is perfect coming out of college. They all need work. Some of them will pan out and some of them won't. I think Penix will find a home some where, he has a lot of potential. The person that uploaded this video is extremely biased and his assessment on MP seems personal. None of the analyst are even talking about Penix. That's always the player you keep an eye on.

[@maybeehh4860]

watching his deep ball makes me love him every time i see it, wishing him the best as a UW fan, just maybe not as a seahawk please

[@manuvsteal]

Disagree with this entire video. Every rookie has skills to work on, but you get drafted for having an elite talent/skill to fall back on. Penix quick release, and arm strength would make him good for teams like the Bucs, or Pittsburgh where they have bigger receivers. You don't have to attack the same situation with the same solution. Penix will be great in the right situation that plays to his strengths and has bigger receivers. He would not be good in a dink and dunk offense, so his success is largely contingent on a matching offense, but how is that different from every other player in the NFL for the most part? Penix with his arm is equivalent to Lamar Jackson with his legs when no one thought could be successful with his brand of football. For my 2 cents you will wind up eating these words in a year, maybe two.

[@comet52]

He sets his feet correctly on the deep stuff and it's elite, but on the short/intermediate throws he often faces the line and chucks it sidearm, reliying on his raw strength. This gets even worse as he moves/throws off platform. He needs an NFL team that coaches this out of him, then his short/intermediate stuff could become elite as well if that happens. A lot of NFL success comes down to where a guy lands. If Mahomes landed in Arizona we'd probably be like "nice guy but not a winner" right now. I like Penix as a prospect but the injury history is also a concern.

[@RogerReese-q8i]

This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Yes Penix had some stretches of inaccuracy but some of his description of him missing guys on plays he is clearly purposely putting the ball where his guy can get it and no one else. He understands leverage very well and he knew his guys could go up for it or no one else. This is understanding the game. He will have some challenges but I am very intrigued.

[@ftwsam2246]

I saw Washington vs Oregon, Washington State, Texas, and Michigan, from what I saw in those games he threw some tight window passes that would translate to the NFL, just some straight up laser beam throws; plus the clutch moments within most of those games proved he's got nerves of steel. And he did something Caleb Williams didn't do, beat Utah. 😂

[@ClavisRa]

Every example you showed of him getting "bailed out" by his receivers has the receiver with leverage to play the ball over the defender. That's good ball placement. You can argue with the play design, but he seems to be executing the throws the play has created, on time, accurate, with good shape and power on the ball. He also has good footwork. Some of the so-called top QB prospects have atrocious footwork. He also throws on schedule and in structure. The supposed top 3 of this class is wildly overhyped. This is going to be a good QB class, but the best QBs are coming on later picks. The NFL has been in love with QBs with "athletic traits" who can make plays out of structure for decades now. And they're basically always wrong. The miss rate on top QB drafts is pretty crazy. When they hit, it's on a QB who's accurate and plays on time in structure.

[@RT-xj7el]

If he goes to a team with a solid O line, he will do great. If he gets pressured, it won't go well.

[@DJDestr0yer]

Bro is the only quarterback since Patric Mahomes to have 2 straight 4500 yard seasons, with the past 2 great injury free seasons I think he's gotta shot, 1st person to this since Mahomes

[@Ba1aamsdonkey]

5:19-21, an example of a "bad" ball that is thrown perfectly. lol

[@Cory-zn5mq]

I think if he goes to the right team he will succeed

[@DonkyDdirtNsty]

The Dan Snyder led Commanders would have taken Penix #2 overall.

[@gremlinvibe]

You hyped Zach Wilson. Sit down 😂

[@atoneinthevoid6611]

I need this guy to be in the league for multiple years because his name is hilarious.

[@ErikID142]

99+% of Husky fans watched him all year and still don’t understand this.

[@wandameadows5736]

The way pro-Penix people talk about him is very misleading. I like you noticed how bad his footwork, accuracy & poise in the pocket is because I was surprised by the same flaws because id heard from talking heads just how good he is. If anyone wants to see what im talking about go watch his game against Michigan were he looked completely overwhelmed. You may say "Thats Michigan" but the truth is NFL Defenses are better than Michigan. Stats in College are not important when it comes to transitioning to the NFL & I'm surprised anyone calls Penix an elite pocket passer because most of his highlights are his receivers making outstanding catches with Penix looking akward when he throws. Penix also throws a lot of sidearm flick of the wrist short passes that will get picked off in the NFL.

[@williamsampson4460]

I strongly believe that almost everyone blaming Penix for the title game are totally wrong. It is lazy to only look at the stats and see if a pass was completed or not. There is one play in particular where I am astonished that Penix has received blame instead of Odunze. On the supposed bad Penix overthrow his throw was actually perfect. Odunze mis-read the defense on an option route and ran a horrible route. Penix threw the ball exactly where Odunze should have been. Most critics are clueless about how the UW offense is supposed to work or what happened on certain important plays. Penix throws to tiny windows while throwing his receivers open who have little to no separation with anticipation and accuracy while manipulating the defense and efficiently going through reads and progressions. He is the most advanced QB in these important areas by many miles. The other top QB's are all one read scrambler project QB's. The ball looks so much better off Penix's hand compared to all of the other QB's. The ball just jumps of his hand while the other QB's cannot throw with power and accuracy outside the hashmarks downfield. Injuries are the only concern. His footwork can be improved which would increase his ceiling and improve short throw accuracy while reducing the number of throws that sail. These things are very clear to me watching tape of Penix and other QB's. Stats say Penix gets rid of the ball of the fastest and takes the least number of sacks. These stats say he also has great pocket awareness. Penix had zero help from the rest of the offense in the title game. UW had no running game, awful O-line play, receivers running bad routes, misreading the defense, and dropping passes. Michigan's front 7 dominated while their secondary got away with 5 or 6 of the most obvious penalties you will ever see go uncalled.

[@Big.steppa.reese0]

Why’d you change the title Alex?

[@DosedLos]

Well well well this aged well.