Why I'm Not A Ford Fan

If you love Ford, that's great, more powerstrokin' to you, they're just not for me. Here's why I don't like working on them.
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[@DEBOSSGARAGE]

The reason we made this video (again) is because people still constantly ask me this question. Hopefully this is a more complete answer, obviously there will be people with different experiences, also we're in Canada so our prices for everything are different. No manufacturer makes a perfect truck, that's why we build our own.

[@ShawnCFarm]

What gets me are the die hard ford fans, even after they spend alot of money fixing problems like there spark plugs or exhaust manifold studs. They just dont get it. If they had a GM they would not spend as much money.

[@seabeebuilder1486]

Thanks

[@john4w2ee0d]

Huh I thought exhaust manifold bolts snapping was a gm thing, but the spark plug stuff is very true a ford thing but only on the Triton engines anything above 2010 is just a pain in the but to work on unless u have all the diagnostic computers

[@sexyworm1000]

Johnsfords94 manifold bolts are an issue on all of the big 3 now it seems

[@ramtrucks721]

DEBOSS GARAGE Awesome video!!!

[@tannerbarkowski5374]

I loved my triton 5.4!!!! Every time my dad would refuse to go oustide and play catch with me i could always count on it to throw me a spark plug or two.

[@curtallgood2877]

THATS THERE IS JUST FUNNY,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[@MidnightMechanic]

Which is more traumatizing, the way your dad treated you, or the hell your Triton puts you through?

[@jeffbiggs496]

My 2v blew a head gasket before it spit a plug lmao

[@keaganhunter1644]

Good thing my 5.4 2 valve has 593,000 miles.

[@jeffbiggs496]

@@keaganhunter1644 Thanks for the clarification wasn't sure if an engine making high miles was good or not 😅😂

[@williamGSXR110]

I work at a Ford dealer, in a back room we have at least 500 blow molded cases each containing 1 special tool to work on a Ford.

[@rdeanbenson2214]

If you were GM, you'd have a thousand!

[@NickEdtk]

@@rdeanbenson2214 yeah but all those Gm tools have commercially available duplicates while fords do not

[@yerpster]

@@rdeanbenson2214 incorrect

[@ouimetco]

I loved being a mechanic for ten years then went to ford. End of love. End of career. Now doing construction.

[@mlez7197]

I lost a friend because that.. I swapped my 5.3 engine by my self...bo big deal...and my friend thought I was a mechanic because that...than he asked me to swap his 2002 1f50 ...the one the blows spark plugs and I said...take it to a shop buddy...he hasn't call me ever since...I decided to block his number just in case

[@blueoval250]

It does take more skill to work on a Ford.

[@ouimetco]

blueoval250 yes a far statement and also more patience to replace those rear main oil seals shortly after their pre delivery inspection. That was a good one (90-94 explorers and aerostars).

[@lolz616]

@@mlez7197 u should of explained to him u couldnt even if u wanted to due to the specialty tools of it being a different brand instead of saying take it to a shop buddy LOOOOL that sounds hella rude to talk to a friend like that u probably came off wrong ya dummy

[@fordshuler1525]

@@ouimetco I have a rear main seal leak in my 5.4 right now 😔

[@cars654]

I remember working on V8 engines in the 70s and 80s. There was enough room for a family of four under the hood. Now any vehicle today you have to completely disassemble it to replace a five dollar part.

[@levivaughan3434]

Yeah, I've worked in some older stuff that has too much room, to the point where you almost have to climb in to work on stuff. A lot better than too little room, but still fairly annoying.

[@nou8257]

my dad has a 93 chevrolet truck you can fit a couple small people under the hood.

[@perrycheever8331]

Been a machanic for years and we always said Ford tries to reinvent the wheel every year. Any shape but round

[@3rdcoastobs467]

Perry Cheever you’re a machanic?

[@pontiacGXPfan]

Everybody in the industry is guilty of trying to reinvent the wheel, it's just a matter of what extent

[@davidmiller9485]

@@pontiacGXPfan somewhat, I have to Chrysler credit for their engineering back in the 30's to the mid 70's. They were 30 years ahead of the others just in intake pulses (talking about the ram intakes). It wasn't until the 80's that everyone of the other manufacturers decided to start tuning their intakes (which is what a ram intake is).

[@jward6677]

Perry Cheever first ones to come out with something, and the last to get it right.

[@mikey4016]

@JWard66: Oh, when did they get it right?

[@martintaylor984]

The average person sees all the gizmos, the working man see a bunch of bullshit to go wrong!!!!!

[@bradleypreston5282]

Martin Taylor I wouldn't ever want to buy a top trim level vehicle. All those components fail eventually and cost a small fortune to replace. Plus everything that has to be removed to replace the parts!

[@joevaagen6170]

You ain't liein my wife and I owned an 04 dodge grand caravan with power sliding doors and power lift gate. DID NOT USE THE POWERED OPTION. I didn't want to work on or replace the motors. We just bought a '12 grand Caravan with the power sliding doors STILL don't use the power option because of that. Just more shit to break.i also own a 95 f250 with the 351w and do all the work on both vehicles myself.

[@eduardobaez1599]

Martin Taylor Agreed.

[@MarzNet256]

That's damn right!

[@vorant77]

EXACTLY! That's why I'm still driving a 1989 F150 I bought new.

[@TheNickLavender]

When I was going to buy my first truck, I put a lot of time and research into it. I talked to owners of various trucks, researched complaints online, looked at recalls, resell value, etc. This was a several month process. At the end of the day, I ended up with a ranking system based on reliability (this was for the 2015 model year). First was the Tundra followed by Silverado, with the F-150 and Ram very close (Ram coming in at 4). This was not based on the diesel models, just the gas. I ended up with a Toyota Tundra. I have 140k miles on it with zero issues. I do my own maintenance and plan on owning that thing until it falls apart. For comparison, my former boss just traded in his F-150 that had a little over 100k miles on it. His oil pump had just gone bad, and there were other things going wrong where they were going to have to pull the motor. When riding in it, the truck felt like it hadn't aged well. My Tundra drives like the day I got it. Everything is tight, no leaks, and the interior is holding up great.

[@jessemilstead810]

Toyota is in a completely different class when it comes to reliably when you take care of your truck

[@SketchyAtBest]

the electronics will fail you long before the mechanical stuff will. sell it and get something with no computers, something that would run after an EMP went off. those are the best trucks right there.

[@iracongiplayz4236]

Old 12v Cummings I bought it from my dad when I was 15 best truck I have ever worked on

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

@@SketchyAtBest You preppers have been afraid of an EMP attack since the 1970's lol. When's it gonna happen?

[@tylergano1246]

He’s spot on with everything he says. I have a 2013 f150 with a 3.5 eco boost. It’s surprisingly not over complicated. The truck seems to be somewhat easy to work on but a lot of what you’d think is a part that should be easily available is something even a dealership has to order

[@Eco.boost2.7]

The 3.5 and 2.7 ecoboost have a lot of aftermarket support. And fun fact the 2.7 qnd 3.5 block is made up of the same casting material as the 6.7 powerstroke engine. But all in all i think hes talking about the triton era because the 5.0 and the ecoboost lineup are pretty reliable in my experience.

[@tylergano1246]

@@Eco.boost2.7 that’s cool I didn’t no the blocks were the same material.

[@Eco.boost2.7]

@@tylergano1246 yeah ive seen 3.5s make north of 650 crank hp and the 2.7 make north of 580hp on e85 and meth injection. Anything more like bigger turbos and more boost youll want to build the trans and motor for sure, its still a v6 lol.

[@ryanwilliams2926]

I work at a Ford dealership and we don’t even have half the special tools we just Jerry rig shit together and just send it

[@DEBOSSGARAGE]

Thanks for the laugh! Best comment today

[@Darksyne]

You Probably put stuff back together better than the stupid engineers at Ford lol

[@MariaOrLex]

Wow lol 😂

[@theunconventionaldeal3879]

I worked at Ford years ago, they would expect us to put tires on expensive rims with a broken tire machine. And old ladies on a budget we're the target for upsells.

[@Darksyne]

@@theunconventionaldeal3879 sounds about right for any dealership/mechanic shop

[@jonathangarzon2798]

" Ford doesn't like me touching their things" I couldn't stop laughing

[@dblaandy]

i liked it when he said he could swap a ls engine in so many hours i guess when it comes to ls engines you get good at it lol thats what made me laugh

[@roccodegenova3060]

That line right there says ford is alright.Lol

[@michaelflores2318]

Neither does GM

[@robertreese5650]

As a mechanic, Ford's didn't like me working on them!

[@tannerc900]

The more I hear you explain the problems about ford, the more I appreciate and understand why my 2012 GMC Sierra 5.3 SLE with 113,000km runs so well and has never let me down.

[@watchmen7772]

This is why my dad taught me many many years ago back in the early 80s to drive GM products I'm a shade tree mechanic and I have been able to swap engines regular maintenance and have great reliability cheap parts interchangeability of parts there's no doubt I've saved thousands by driving General Motors trucks and Automobiles at the same time have many Less Problems then a lot of people I know that drive Fords I have never bought or drove anything but General Motors

[@PumaPete]

I’m with you! I’ll stick to my GM vehicles.

[@michaelflores2318]

I had issues with GM so I switched to Fiat Chrysler never had issues I will never get a GM vehicle I will stick to Chrysler

[@nickparkin444]

People should not bully ford because 91% of fords are still on the road today. The other 9% surprisingly made it home

[@justonerandomguy6580]

The other 9% are 7.3’s

[@evangelistar74]

Got a company vehicle F-150 company bought it brand new 2018 since day one motor has a ticking noise like valve dash start warping took it to the dealer haven't heard anything from them yet! Pos!......

[@casurveyor6357]

The other 9% are in the wrecking yards!

[@teds4983]

LMAO

[@SD-pi9co]

91% are still on the road: BULLSHIT

[@apes4life]

2014 Ford Explorer. Internal water pump that runs off timing chain, so when my water pump failed spectacularly (totally seized) it dumped all the coolant right into the crank case; hydrolock = motor destroyed. Dealer stated "I won't say its a design flaw, but when the water pump completely fails, you have no chance to save it." $8400 US for new motor.

[@ericbarginear4484]

I’ve had nothing but problems with my Lincoln Navigator FUCK FUCK FORD AND OUR SHERIFFS IN MDR

[@Clean97gti]

Let me guess, a 3.5l V6? The one in my 2009 Flex did that. Rapid coolant loss and luckily we got it shut down before it caused serious problems. But the next oil change after the water pump was replaced, found water in the oil. Buh bye Flex. Traded that thing in before it ate its bearings and threw a CEL from the head gaskets that were likely blown. And you know Ford knows about this issue, because the F150 that gets the 3.7l version of that same V6, has an external water pump. You can change the F150's waterpump in a couple hours. The inboard waterpump on the same motor in the Flex, is an 11 hour job by the book.

[@thehavok4258]

@@Clean97gti You can change a water pump on Dodge with a Cummins in 10 minutes.

[@donquihote6023]

Two of the most stupid design flaws I have seen, internal water pump and two thread spark plug holes. I wish I could get paid to be such a screw up. I would be a billionaire by now!

[@diegodelgado9764]

What a company man 👨

[@mlez7197]

I been on the towing business for about 15 years...and the only thing I like about fords is that they still have Hook points...

[@aterack833]

fantasma del tren I like that the tow points are also good solid jacking points on the unibody vehicles

[@bradleygoodrich5569]

I myself am obviously a Ford fan, that being said i have a lot of respect for how knowledgeable and capable you are and can totally understand why you wouldnt like any of the newer vehicles. However, just like you said in the end of this video it is not to the point where most manufactures are this way so you cant really avoid it anymore. Great video. Love the channel. I always learn a ton and find it very interesting

[@stephendehart9777]

FORD hired Harley engineers and everything became Hundreds of Dollars, for ten cent items.

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

Agreed, it's part of the corporate plan to own the parts companies that are selling your replacement parts- like deBoss said, instead of replacing a 35$ driveshaft bearing, Ford's welded it on the $500 driveshaft assembly, which must be replaced as a Unit . Winner- Ford+( the parts Co it owns) Looser -You, forced to cough up the extra $$ to fix a built-in flaw. Who's the smart one now ?

[@wamgoc3637]

Stephen DeHart I went to a HD dealer like a dummy to get a fuel Petcock to adapt to my Gravely lawn tractor tank. Ho Lee F**! A BMW one was way less and worked better.

[@codymoncrief8478]

Stephen DeHart *Mind Blown*

[@francissullivan6400]

Harley sucks

[@cobburn]

@@aaronhumphrey2009 difference is parts are marked up a ton so they aren't losing any money there. and with the people that buy the $1800 ones from them, they're doin alright. Parts markup is ridiculous. Shops charge you list price on parts. and look what they pay for it. It's crazy they make so much on a part you just paid them $80 or more per hour to install that also was delivered witihin a couple hours!! not a bad deal there lol

[@my1987toyota]

There a saying " New doesn't always mean improved "

[@Chartranos]

now days they dint even improve! they just disguise shits behind backup cams, bigscreens bluethooth shit ect...

[@mikebraz25]

Or a new labelling like in the 70s ...Brougham.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

This definitely applies to the C8 Corvette

[@ifcinvestor569]

Like the no oil dipstick, terrible

[@lollol-xp4mc]

@@pontiacGXPfan no it doesnt

[@brotherlove100]

I started my HET apprenticeship w/ Ford, and I agree w/ every word you say. It didn't take long for me to start saying at work "Some engineer got paid a lot of money to make that mistake".

[@markd8296]

Afriend used to work for FORD at the Mahwah NJ plant. The engineers would tell them.. "we build cars at FORD...Not fix them"

[@williamclark9743]

I absolutely love your brutal honesty.

[@bradthackston5217]

Or brutal laziness

[@joshua89schultz]

Nearly 20 years later and I can still hear the ticking sound of an exhaust leak on dad 1996 F-150 and the whining power steering pump in the cold Alberta winter.

[@farmertyler8087]

Josh Schultz my 94 f250 is SO BAD 😂. And then the belt squeak on top of it omg

[@ladin425]

Square body Fords were great looking trucks. I think the 4.9, 5.0, and 5.8 weren't as good as some people swear. The difference is, those trucks could break and chances are you would make it back home. The new trucks break without warning and leaves you stranded.

[@toddbob55]

I loved the old power steering whining in the 80's Ford built amazing vehicles back then and they still are #1

[@MstaEd]

@@ladin425 My 300 Six Bronco will run forever

[@therealpimpskillet]

The reason they whine is because people put power steering fluid in them, and they are made to run ATF fluid. I have had two Fords over 250k miles and neither had that whine. Don't blame Ford for people not reading their manuals. :) And yes my 4.9 had 365,000 miles on it when I sent it off to the J/Y due to rust issues.

[@cbarnes2573]

Well said sir! I'm a 25 year auto tech. You said it all and said it well. I couldn't agree more. Those fuse blocks make me crazy!!

[@cwcadventures9987]

You sir are amazing. You're videos are so organic seems more like a day in the life then a scripted video. You seem like a great dude keep up the videos !

[@GYPSY400]

I had a good one at work..( I work at a municipal fleet shop) 2010 F450.. right tail light was out.. turns out it was the BCM not sending a signal.. replaced the BCM, no core charge so it got thrown out.. then the truck wouldn't start!! Found out that the TRUCK needs to be programmed to the BCM (NOT the other way around!) Ended up having to flat bed the truck to the dealer to get the TRUCK reflashed.. all for a tail light!

[@garybulwinkle82]

Should have just run a wire from the other side!! Then use hand signals!!!!?

[@wadeguidry6675]

This is common in all products these days. Corporate greed is killing us! I find all kinds of products at the curb on trash night that usually only need one part to work again, but that part+labor costs more than a new product. Being able to fabricate my own parts, I save a bundle. I took a picture of at least a dozen things I found in the trash that I fixed and totalled up their value. I spent a total of fifty dollars fixing what would have cost me at least 700-900 dollars worth of common household items like shop vacs and power washers.

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

Epic fail results in passing the buck onto the owners. For a tail light ?! Crazy

[@gordonhodgson8403]

Same deal for headlights on Ford rangers

[@flynnt77]

Even the radios are subsidy locked. You can't go get a junkyard Sync module and radio from another vehicle and just plug it in. You need to take it to the dealer so they can activate it and charge you 2 hours shop time for a 15 minute job. Then every time the van goes to the dealer, they end up resetting it out of the system with the factory As-Built file, then want to charge you extra for screwing up something you already paid to have done during your last visit. I go through this nut-roll every time I take my van in for recall work. Usually takes about twenty minutes of bitching at the service manager to get the DPF monitor, Sync mod, and trailer mod all turned back on. Ford hates it when you find ways around their bullshit. If you ever run into this problem again, check out a program called Forscan. It's like ten bucks a year and does damn near everything that IDS will do.

[@StephenDanielAddeo]

After 5 years or so the dealer will tell you that your Ford part is no longer in production. That's always fun.

[@bettygray5974]

Glad you said the 7.3s were ok. Actually I'm really stuck on the Detroit. And just being honest I drove Chevys all my life for the same reason you like GMs.

[@danielrutledge9788]

I feel you brother. I am 57, owned Fords all my life, worked on all brands including European. If I bought a new Truck....it will not Be a Ford. The bling is not what I need it is reliability and maintenance for me.

[@kurtb3606]

I am a Ford guy, but he is spot on!

[@rodneyrosado]

Me too i have 14 and will buy another one blown engines and all..you look on the road and see which are the work trucks you may see a Toyota or a ram at a jobsite but not loaded up hauling a trailer with cement or pavers/scaffolding as for Ram pulling cars down the road..these guys have to $pend mega bucks to haul..i think that most remove the beds because it to heavy with the cars..just saying i just cut in a 5th wheel hitch and hookup and roll..i have 3- 6.0 and have only replaced injectors oil changes ever 6k miles..of course egr delete

[@rodneyrosado]

@Youll Never Know YOU'LL NEVER KNOW! I own the stock too! 2005 F350 HARLEY DAVIDSON 42" Toyo's YEAH SUPER POS! Midnight Blue smoked out flames..most certainly not a grocery getter & 2005 F350 King Ranch...the way i suffer 3- F750, F150 FUSION..3- E350 6.0's & 5.4's YEAH WASTE OF MONEY..F650 STINGER CRANE 6.7L..JUST TOYS, i work on all of the myself best part paid for..Show me a Dodge or GMC CRANE Worth Every Penny

[@rodneyrosado]

Did i happen to say i have over 300k on 2- f350 and over 400k on 5.4 Amazin! if i would of known about roller rocker bearings sooner i would of replaced them oh well i do enjoy getting kicked in the ball ever now & then..keep me on my toes lol

[@rodneyrosado]

@Youll Never Know none believe it or not i was always worried about the plugs in the 5.4 and the head bolts in the 6.0..but none of my truck's had those issues the 6.0 was the egr & oil coolers & the 5.4 with 400k original transmission the shitty roller/fake rocker bearing didnt even blow the piston just stopped bought a used 5.4 for $800.00 changed all gaskets add $250 & 2 days later on the road and gas mileage is now 15mpg..crazy i was getting 10..i also have 2 more f150 98' 00' i usually buy them new and do PM'S myself regularly..believe me Toyotas and Nissans are really nice looking trucks but if they are on a jobsite those guys that own them are either the boss the owners or guys that parkk them way down the street so they dont get any dirt on them..i think they wax the rubber..they get almost undressed to drive the home..i dont call that a truck..now i like Internationals but not a daily driver and if i was over the road id get a freightliner but as for WORK TRUCKS ITS FORD ALL THE WAY ! & My kids drive them as well..probably because i bought them..rams have terrible turning radius & GMC's fall apart now I've owned a 2007 Escalade ESV AWD with 20" best ride ever also 2 mini coppers also BMW full Service was the best..but when they put some sort of traction controls they ruined it it counter steered the car h it was out of my control anyway..we also have a LEXUS and i guess if your an old fart that doesn't drive it works but not for us im fixin that pos feels like daily it has 67k miles and the dealership just wants to screw me..hoping i can get lemon law if that still exists

[@rodneyrosado]

@Youll Never Know HOW DID YOU KNOW? I LIKE IT RAW! RARE WORK TOO!

[@dennisintersimone3416]

As Henry rolls in his grave.

[@Maverick8t88]

Totally agree with this. I grew up loving Ford. My first car was a mustang, I’ve owned 5 Mustangs since. I’ve owned 4 F series, all pre 97. Starting around the time Ford split the F series line, Ford started going downhill fast. The 6.0 and 6.4 speak for themselves, the 4.6 was a constant underpowered disappointment, the 5.4 was a disaster, the 6.8 V10 was a gas guzzling underpowered disappointment. For about 10 years, they simply made awful vehicles. Modern times, they’ve made it so hard to work on them. And the parts are ridiculously expensive.

[@jacobsebastien3910]

The best ford Gas engine is the Gas 6.2 V8 in the F250's

[@andrewb9708]

The 2v 5.4 was one of the most reliable V8's ever built.

[@michaelflores2318]

Ford went down hill in sales Ram was stealing their sales Ram truck sales were getting stronger because of their good quality reliability and dependability

[@livewithnick]

What? Dodge trucks had horrible transmissions, interiors and wiring lol@@michaelflores2318

[@johnthompson7115]

Love this guy, straight forward honest appraisals.

[@Dawgator]

I’m a Ford guy, and I agree with him.

[@RandomPerson56789]

Ford guy as well here - being that his biggest points were how shit the 5.4, 6.0, & 6.4 are, I'd also agree. My '93 with a 302 has given me no big issues other than stuff that happens to any 27/8 year old truck, and my 2014 5.0 hasn't given me any issues at all.

[@Rangetank210]

Theres a reason Welker Farms put a Cummins in their F350 lol.

[@450rmaniac]

Peter Koch Jr. and Westin Chapman.

[@22hoghunter29]

Maybe because it was a 6.4

[@reverandhale863]

They bought it already swapped

[@kanethompson708]

Lmfao 💀

[@cesarsa3831]

I also found that the reason is because their engineering is focused on factory savings no matter quality, so the end user is the one that ends paying the price for bad product.

[@davidostring1289]

The automotive company is digging their own grave.

[@dsautorepairs4828]

Yes we. Yes please send the address of your car 🚘 morning morning we can come tomorrow and we will tomorrow I need some time tomorrow night and I’ll do my morning and drop my morning at work if it’s too early I don’t want any of those extra extra hours so I’ll have time tomorrow to pick it off tomorrow and we have some work tomorrow I need you guys and then come get some food 🥘 I need a lot to get out and then I’m coming home 🏡 has come the address of your car 🚘 morning we can come and see the new house 🏡 morning morning love 💕 hope all of the same time will has come on the next time you have the chance you are a very special friend to me know what to say about the invoice 🧾 I need a job to do the same and then we will I have the kids I need a lot to get out and I do not know if there’s any other this week I’ll come get to him but you have no money 💴 I want him I know I can never get it done ✅ was a really long weekend but didn’t know what I had going for that night but you can

[@ace1usmc]

I was a partner in a shop back home in CO. Our strict policy was never take in any post-2000 model year F-series Ford trucks for anything whatsoever. Everything you said in this video was our similar experience as well. We learned (the hard way) that we usually wound up losing money working on them just due to the fact of how impossibly stupidly they were designed. Nothing on a Ford is easy to get to or work on for small independent shops. For the same reasons, we refused to take in Audi's, Saab's and Volvo's as well. All four are the worst engineered vehicles on the planet. I would have to say as far as working on cars, the best engineered cars we've worked on (for ease of access, and insightful design) were Honda, Mercedes-Benz, and post-2000 GM cars/trucks, in that order. If engineers lack the insight to understand that parts fail and need to be replaced - and still make those components incredibly hard to access - they have no understanding of how to properly engineer and design vehicles.

[@gasfiltered]

Agree with everything except the Audi bit. Audis are different but I've never found them hard to work on. Will grant you that if you're not working on them consistently, they can be harder, but they're always designed with maintenance in mind.

[@MRSketch09]

You ever get to work on any of the Nissan Trucks? ?

[@amandadavis9726]

Money

[@andreybondarenko3042]

Agreed, but replace Mercedes with Toyota and GMwhatever with KIA/Hyundai

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

And Acura, where they use wire/ computer models of " mechanics " to determine accessability of engine designs. If the hand don't fit, you must be working on a Ford !

[@williamstru2119]

You’re spot on. I explain this to people when I say I won’t own a newer ford, and I’m picky about older fords. I still own 4 fords 55 c600, 68 cortina GT, 69 cortina estate, and 79 motorhome. The big thing that makes me lean towards chevy is part cost and long term reliability. Every one of my Chevys has been cheaper to own than anything else I’ve owned over a long period of time.

[@durwinlafleur737]

I owned a 2002 F-250 that was a great truck. I believe it was the last year that the 7.3 was used. It is also the last year that I would consider owning a Ford truck for all the reasons you site. I now own a Dodge Ram with the Cummins engine. Not much of a Dodge fan but love the Cummins engine.

[@bcdieselsofficial]

2003 was the last year for the 7.3

[@norvigosracing6948]

Ford Owner: There's something wrong with my Ford, the engine gets hot and the radiator needs water refill every three days. Mechanic: It's because your radiator cap it's attached to a piece of shit.

[@yerpster]

water?

[@charlespetersonii6989]

Ford has the best selling trucks because every 2 years you gotta buy another 🤣🤣🤣👍🏁🏁🏁🏁

[@BigCS784]

If they was that bad people wouldn't keep buying them dumbass

[@curtis1951]

@@BigCS784 Not true. Never underestimate the stupidity of consumers.

[@BigCS784]

@@curtis1951 were not talking about dodge and chevy guys here

[@BigCS784]

@@ramseynelson1747 You just said they made good vehicles and they didn't. You chevtards are dumb as hell.

[@bobjackson4287]

New trucks suck ass now a days, Ford, GM, Dodge it don't matter they all suck in their own way. Square body F250 / K/20. The gold standard of a era were trucks just worked.

[@jacobriley3339]

Now i can respect his reasons because there actually experiences. Dosen't just hate ford For being ford

[@clank4001]

I bought a new Tundra instead of the Ford my friends were peer pressure-ing me into buying

[@delanescott1301]

way to stand up to peer pressure LOL

[@rdeanbenson2214]

Great, now you can haul the garbage out weekly...

[@maldenfoster]

Just saying tundras are fucking bomb I don't have a single complaint on my 14 sr5

[@bennyjetsaroundtheworld9047]

In the long run the truck will probably outlast the friends lol

[@nolife1199]

Tundras are just as much of a pain in the ass to work on

[@matthewburkhart142]

I can't stand ford anymore ,this guy knows so many people's pain.

[@michaelbenoit248]

I’ve had 2 OBS diesels 95 & current 93 250 & the bodies before 1997 are good then after maybe 2003 for the diesels. The 1/2 ton trucks dropped off after 97 & personally I wouldn’t buy one after that. I can see myself getting a dodge 2500 Cummins or maybe a 250 only with a full warranty on everything, cuz everything is expensive.

[@michaelflores2318]

Ford will not be making anything soon FCA is taking over

[@dennischallinor8497]

I concur with you. From 1949 until 2013 my father and I were loyal Ford customers buying a brand new car every 4 years. Sadly I bought a 2010 Platinum that 2 hours after I got it home it vibrated unbelievably. I called the dealership wishing to return the truck and was told I couldn't because I put insurance on it and now it was considered a 'used' vehicle. I got so pissed off I went to a different Ford dealership and unloaded the Platinum on a new Expedition 5.4 that got abysmal gas mileage, then the a/c went out and the repair wasn't covered by the warranty and the fix was almost $700. Enter a ruby red 2013 ecoboost F-150 and believe me there is absolutely NO ECO IN THE BOOST, the gas mileage was no better than the 5.4. At the end of the lease I decided that I've been abused enough by FoMoCo and bought a 2017 GMC Sierra Kodiak THAT I AM ABSOLUTELY THRILLED WITH. It is averaging 11.8 L/100Km. which is 21 mpg U.S., which would be about 23 mpg Imperial. This truck is such a joy to drive that I actually go the speed limit because I enjoy being in my truck so much. Kiss my ass good bye Ford because we are history forever. DAD: STOP SPINNING IN YOUR GRAVE!!!!!!

[@waterheaterservices]

Dennis Challinor Great comment!

[@nunyabusiness4651]

Wake up Ford users...

[@bkranz-1283]

So sad, you should have gotten the 5.0L v8 and not the ecoboost. 5.0 is really good, reliable, powerful, and fairly efficient motor. The main reason gm trucks get good mileage is because they put weak gear ratios in them and they turn to weak trucks whenever you have to tow anything. And gm is getting a bad reputation with the cylinder deactivation they put in their engines to gain .002 mpg. Been quite problematic in the 6.2 and 5.3. You could have put your 2010 f-150 under the lemon law if the dealership couldn't fix it btw. I have a 2010 xlt with 5.4 with almost 200,000 miles and engine is still untouched and I manage 19 mpg highway which I think is pretty decent for a 2010 with that many miles.

[@JoeHynes284]

that sucks, I thought those were good looking trucks, I'm more of a chevy guy, don't really know much about Fords

[@sergeymatpoc]

@@bkranz-12835.0 reliable? You're wrong. instagram.com/p/BqsmPUCA_F59VzMkl_mdkerXlVnUlnFCJ-I8Xc0/? I believe that guy and I know that they're using that bad technology of engine block manufacturing for a while. If you don't understand what you see on that picture - don't mind, they're "great!".

[@bluebird5100]

After my 6.0 powerstroke and everything constantly breaking, I bought a 98.5 dodge cummins and that truck is so much better than the old ford

[@andrewkenaan1249]

Dodge is cheap shit

[@greganderson7866]

@@andrewkenaan1249 Ford is expensive shit.

[@bwalsh6992]

@@andrewkenaan1249 Ford is expensive shit...1995 12 valve 480 thousand still starts and works... G o buy a 6.4 pr 60...garbage

[@justin456]

Still rocking a 91 4 liter 5 speed square body ranger. It's great short of the rust and how much I hate life changing the clutch hardware.

[@mitchsalawine5420]

This guy is RIGHT ON THE MONEY! I could spend hours talking about all the experiences I've had in the automotive industry. But he's right about them doing it on purpose, like that business about just putting a few threads in the spark plug socket. But they always have been this way to certain extent.

[@racrx7]

I took most of the guts from an NP246 transfer case, including the 6 pinion planetary front input gear, put them in an NP236 case, bolted it in place of my NP136 t-case in my 2003 Chevy Astro, wired up the NP236 control module from an S10 Blazer and now have a true hi/lo 4x4 Astro van. Talk about interchangeability lol.

[@geoffmooregm]

GM is very good for enthusiasts. Back when I was playing with S-10's a few guys built V8 AWD trucks with parts from full size Chevy trucks and AWD Astro Van parts. I put Hydroboost brakes into my 93 S10 with parts from a full size 2500. Just had to get the right stuff from the junk yard. No custom parts required. B-Body Brake or Vette brake upgrades were also very popular.

[@Clean97gti]

and then you have Ford, who decided that after years of success with NP transfer cases in their pickups, that they should have BW make a fucking mess of things with a 1356. Yeah, a magnesium cased transfer case in a 4wd truck sounds like a great idea. And what can you swap a 1356 into? Not a goddamned thing.

[@wlol9263]

Mike McKeen I can’t stop laughing 😂 bro you sound just like my old man! 🤣🇺🇸🦅

[@l7ocmichael0lefebvre54]

My dad was ford man and so I became one. Just in the last decade Ive owned 6. Raptor, GT500, 2 mustang gt's, fusion, escape. They all seemed to be not too bad at first, but as time passed and the car's went out of warranty, it became apparent to me that being a ford man was not affordable. So I cut ties and will not buy ford anymore.

[@saltysteel3996]

Been running deleted and tuned LBZ and LMM Duramax trucks. My favorite trucks of all time. My local diesel repair shop is 98% Ford repair work. I asked them which Ford diesel is the best and they said they all equally suck in their own special way. Lol They get a few Cummins from time to time, but hardly ever get a Duramax. And Duramax trucks are the most common in my area too. Only problem with Cummins trucks is the horrible transmissions. They're on borrowed time.

[@PumaPete]

I agree! My duramax is great! Tons of power and great mileage too.

[@Trainz2950]

Glad to hear you still like the square bodies, my '95 f150 is happy

[@steveaustin1265]

Check out the Ford 3.5L & 3.7L V6 Engine water pump design. WHEN the water pump leaks the water will go down Into the oil pan & soon the engine will be history. I'm sure Ford knows this Is a problem most likely to happen after warranty.

[@juangil6252]

Chrysler and GM also did that, with the EcoTec (GM), and the 2.7 V6 (Chrysler) So nothing new. Buy a Toyota!

[@skiperbe]

I’ve been a Ford Tech for over 22 years, shop Foreman and worked up to Service Manager... I totally agree with you lol

[@eugeneforge]

I totally understand especially when you talk about the simplicity of a 1987 S-10. That is actually my current daily driver. It is amazingly simple and everything is so easy to get to because it is a four cylinder. It does break from time to time but parts are so cheap that it is basically just my time to fix it. For a $900 truck that I don't have to really care all that much about, it is absolutely perfect.

[@cesmith4566]

I'm a Ford guy! You are absolutely right!

[@davekauffman8727]

I was a die-hard Ford guy, it's disappointing to see that they've done the things they've done. Decided to go Japanese because all the parts are designed and made in one place with the exception of the American-built cars.

[@billhead7523]

all the problems and you're still for guy

[@tykwok8484]

Fords are so shitty go with Cummins or dramax

[@robertdewerff1114]

I was a Ford guy all of my life... until I worked on Fords at a dealer. 3 months later I quit and moved over to Toyota. Have't bought a Ford since. Got all my family members in Toyota.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

Dave Kauffman

[@Speeddemon3]

OMG I just found your channel and I can't tell you how little I've gotten done the last two days. I really find your channel much more in tune with today's DIYers. Your videos are honest, don't hype products, show the average backyard mechanic real videos!! Everything from Joe rebuilding your trans to problems on the power tour. You have a great honest channel with good people and projects. Thanks!

[@josheezammit]

I love this. Get static on my 1982 f150 and 1986 f250 all the time for being too old. I love um, and wouldn’t buy anything newer from them. People like you helped me make the f250 a swapped Cummins 4bt. If I had to do it all over again I’d do a ppump 24 valve due to your input. Y’all keep me inspired. I will make that 2wd beast into a 4wd with an overdrive this year. Thanks for keeping us entertained and trained!

[@sbalak]

Thanks for the warning. Great video! Cheers!

[@kb9oak749]

Ford: "The car market is dead. We won't make any more regular cars." Toyota: "Hold my beer while we launch new Camry and Avalon."

[@codyparker679]

They left cause they couldn't compete with Japanese cars. They have them dialed in where ford puts all their money in the trucks

[@erikcapozzi3425]

Yeah that was a pretty lame comment...did you expect toyota to just dump some of there flag ship vehicles?

[@ReflectedMiles]

@@erikcapozzi3425 No, but even less surprised that Ford dumped their many attempts at making flagship cars, and making them profitably, except the 'stang. Had a bunch of Fords until 2002 and finally gave them up. Went TDI, then a D-max/Allison added in '04, and haven't looked back--much better experiences.

[@arthurgarcia4389]

Seriously and they are still making quality trucks. Ive test driven almost every brand and truck model out there. Theres a route i take trucks on a test drive theirs a steep hill uneven roads, dips and speed bumps, decent route to show me how the truck holding up specially the suspension. I always been a GM guy and thought I'd always stick with the Silverados or Sierra. Untill i drove the Tundra. Every other truck brand out there when i go thru a dip or speed bump you hear the clunk from the suspension, you have to kinda brace yourself because you know its going to make that noise. Not the tundra im surprised how i went through the dips and speed bumps and the suspension is pretty bad ass i didnt get that annoying noise. As far as trucks go im now sticking with tundra. And i wouldn't mind the new Camry or Avalon either they are bad ass

[@TehKaiser]

They got 40 extra years through government welfare...but still made cars that weren’t compelling. The Japanese agreed to voluntary export restraints in the 80s.

[@ziptiesnbiasplies]

I was about to use my newly bought fuckin tape boss as a fuckin skeet... but then you "un-shit on my heart" at 2:21 hahaha. Fuckin eh rich! You are a smart fucker, got lots of respect for guys cut from your cloth!

[@KaiserBruh]

haha same here. he's not trying yo shit on ford because he's a Chevy guy, he's using actual experience to back up his claims. very respectable

[@richmoore3223]

Breaks my heart,,,best truck I owned 93 F250, now they are junk.

[@hansknutson2327]

93s were great trucks after the 7.3 a pile of mess Who in the F@ck wants a truck That yo have to take the cab Off to do major work to the engine

[@hansknutson2327]

6.4 another absolute catastrophe but people seem to forget & forgive Ford the bodies are nice & Well built . The only way I would have a 2002 or newer Ford truck If I got one for super cheap And do a Cummins Swap Just my opinion though

[@reddirtrider6190]

I can’t get enough of this video!

[@thablue2g]

Im with you. My brother had a 90s ford f350 with a manual. That truck was awesome. That is the only body style or older I would take

[@bcdieselsofficial]

Gas or diesel?

[@nicholassalcedo5954]

@@bcdieselsofficial diesel are the way to go I have one myself

[@bcdieselsofficial]

@@nicholassalcedo5954 I have an Lb7, and I love it!

[@rodneyschnelle315]

I’m laughing my ass off because it’s exactly what I’ve said for years. My dislike started 30 years ago, they change even brackets from year to year making engine swaps a pain.

[@ouimetco]

Rodney Schnelle the alternate bracket has 4 different size bolts on it on 1996 era trucks. Chevy-2, Toyota -1

[@donkuwik3390]

I bought a new F-150 in 1986, kept it for 13 years. Worst vehicle I've ever owned. You tell the truth and I thank you sir.

[@wanderingman8921]

🤔

[@robertogomez8100]

If you think that Ford cars are hard wait until you try to fix a BMW, Audi or Mercedes 2011 or newer.

[@carltonegarage8624]

E90's are some of the easiest cars in the world to work on.

[@charlieellis8777]

@@carltonegarage8624 that has nothing to do with what he said lol

[@meqamarcial]

All of those arent that bad to work on

[@carltonegarage8624]

@@charlieellis8777 It's LITERALLY what he said.

[@charlieellis8777]

@@carltonegarage8624 bro you’re right i was so high when i first read it that’s totally my bad

[@jimmyers8114]

when a Ford rolls into my shop driveway i can figure that not only will my day be ruined but the whole week.

[@aspieotaku3580]

If its a 4.6 its out and done in an hour or less, when my ignition coils went bad i fixed it diy in 15 mins, 4.6 everything easy to get to.Most shops charge an hour but if you have the know how and tools and parts over 150 bucks saved, they charge an hour labor for a 15 min job lmao.Even in shops the 4.6 takes less time and easy to work on.Most newer motors take longer though.

[@michaelswart9236]

And also your driveway

[@kanethompson708]

💀

[@flynnt77]

@@aspieotaku3580 This is true. When I bought my 93, it had a number of cooling system issues and vacuum leaks in the typical places you'd expect from a 5.8. Also had some throttle response issues. I was able to replace the radiator, water pump, heater core, upper plenum gasket, and the oil cooler in about 7 hours. Then I isolated the throttle problem down to a bad TPS and swapped it out in about 20 minutes. Had all that crap fixed in about 8 hours, including 2 trips to the parts house. These new vehicles? 8 hours wouldn't even get you access to everything I mentioned.

[@terrypikaart4394]

I love ford bashing!. Got pretty good at 4.6 5.4 timing chains tensioners and cam phasers. I totally agree, very pore engineering.

[@jaubuchon28]

I hear the ticking in my sleep still

[@jmacsgarage]

I’ve watched this video ten times since it came out. Explains my life haha

[@robertbeckler5058]

I've got a 68 ford. It's been a good truck. Needs work now so me and my boys will have fun working on it.

[@michaelgraham2347]

Remember those old power steering pump Ford had with plastic Reservoir that always leak and wines for over 10yrs!

[@westwaters1690]

But they worked. Quit your bitchin it's a truck

[@lucasmclellan8388]

@@westwaters1690 mission passed +Respect

[@SethLikesToEat]

@@westwaters1690 Yeah... trucks should be built better. You know, like Ford claims their's are...

[@gunfreak565]

Man I made a shit ton of money rebuilding those power steering pumps on in the 80s and 90s when I worked at the Ford dealer

[@reidliimatainen5153]

Just changed one on my 86 f150 reservoir fell right off the old one 👌

[@colorocko1]

Right on!! Well said and explained. The Triton 2 thread plug hole is sooo true. Couldn't understand the first time it happended. A "Ford" guy told me I didn't torque plugs correctly. Well, had a shop that had the "tool" to repair this and told them replace all the plugs and torque to specs. Then a year later the 2nd plug goes. REALLY FORD?? I listened to your vid from beginning to end and realized I'm in good company and just bewildered at how Ford does biz. Along with the others. Keep up the great work, thanks!

[@mikecraft9456]

I have a 7.3 and it’s a reliable work truck. This channel has me sold on doing a 12 valve Cummins swap in a 72 highboy. Just bought one and love this channel

[@hansknutson2327]

I have seen a lot of your videos But I Just came across this one I'm in 100 % agreement With you While watching this vid I have forwarded it to 3 people. For your knowledge & effort Thanks

[@machinehead6892]

I still have my first truck, bought it new in !988 S-10 extended cab, first year with 4.3l , mint condition, no rust, no damage never winter driven, still looks and drives like new.

[@ChatBot1337]

I worked for a Navistar dealership for years and I will tell you Navistar is so full of shit regarding their engines (hence one of several reasons theyve basically shut down their engine business). They were doing hp branch tube repairs on UPS vans long before ever letting that information out to any other customer, circa 2007. The lift pumps on their Maxxtrash would fail. You could do every test, fail. Hard wire it, fail. Replace the pump and you could write a melody turning the pump on and off with the computer. We'd send the claim, then hear about the pumps *everyone* was replacing were passing warranty tests back at the factory at 97%. We were doing 2-3 a day. The Maxx7(?), aka 6.4, would fracture piston rings at 100k all day long. We had customes getting their 4th repl engine at 230k miles. They are so full of it I'm sure those shit for brains designed their engines on an etch a sketch. They were also so generous when their Maxxtrash 13 would runaway and grenade itself we'd get 13 shop hours to replace a complete big bore diesel with 80k miles. I never missed an opportunity to call their bullshit, they didnt like me much.

[@willgreen3665]

I just quit my job over "SHOP HOURS" ten or 13 hours and end up damn near rebuilding a whole engine and just feeling like I didnt make enough for all that work... Damn fords ate my lunch EVERY time

[@hansknutson2327]

Best comment ever

[@NP-rh3dt]

So true, Navistar is such a joke, they're nothing like International Harvester. I disagree with Rich, I think that more than likely Navistar lied to Ford about the 6.0 and 6.4 because Ford didn't make those trucks disposable like the engines. The super duties are very well built. All those maxxforce engines are absolute trash.

[@xjlover2058]

Maxxforce engines are the worst I've ever worked on. Takes forever even to get a valve cover off.

[@Jack-by2hg]

I used to work at a dealer. Everything you said is true. I haven't actually heard it said better.

[@ganjafarmer1572]

Thanks for your honest talk boss. I live in Jamaica, where we still use older vehicles because they have proven themselves in our climate/road conditions, and we can fix them ourselves. I have a 92 Nissan 4WD diesel TD27, daily driver, no ECM, 208,000 miles . Every week I get requests from persons who want to buy it. I have a 93 Toyota 1HZ non turbo diesel, 500k km daily driver. Change the timing belt every 100k kilometers, oil and filter, good to go. Although change is inevitable, we like things which are durable and we can fix. It is sad that the world is going away from that. Should everyone work for a dealer/corporation/multinational ? NO ! Small businesses like yours and mine Deboss are the heartbeat of every economy. Done talk.

[@novicenova]

FORD- Failure Of Research Development

[@macgyverbryan1377]

A new one!

[@macgyverbryan1377]

Driver Returns On Foot

[@firstlast7613]

F O R D Fear of roads and Duramax

[@bigal7864]

FORD = First On Rubbish Dump

[@project_lauren.9494]

@@macgyverbryan1377 that's a new one 😂😂😂

[@spurgear4]

Still driving my old 1985 Dodge pick up. Rebuilt a core engine for it this winter as the old one is blowing oil I will drive this thing until the end of days and I love it.

[@toro220d]

Mopar no car I love my 2007 ram 1500 Mega cab 4 by 4 easy to work on Best truck i ever had and had them all

[@utahwanderlust700]

I still drive my old 1995 Ram 318. 330,000 miles. So easy to work on. Runs great. I love it. I don't need new, expensive headaches.

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

Purchased a 1998 k2500 6.5 turbo diesel from a state auction. Florida truck with 177k miles. I fell in love with it. Had all the upgrades necessary to make it bomb proof already installed. Cant beat buying from the state. They keep everything fleet service. First time in my life I drove an old chevy with tight suspension/steering.

[@trentshull9415]

I'm a die hard ford fan. That being said, I agree with about everything said in this video.

[@davejase3399]

Brother, every single example you brought up rang true! I laughed when you laughed and got frustrated at the same time. Well done. Love the channel, man.

[@winterwendigo]

Wish I had seen this video before I bought a ford :)

[@tedmattingly7564]

Having worked on a fleet that had 90% fords for the med duty trucks, I know exactly how you feel and there's a reason I was the heavy duty diesel mechanic and the only engine guy for the semi trucks. I primarily did the Cats and Cummins engines and all of the electrical diagnostic and special builds. We had a couple of kids that would service the med duty trucks. I had more than enough work with the big trucks, trailers, welding, etc.

[@johnpaulk6769]

We had a 04 5.4 triton, in 2017 it had had 5 motors, i made my parents sell it after i did the final motor replace myself, i told them if we had to do it again I would melt it down myself, i have a 88 f250, transmission cracked in half and still worked, they used to have pride, not anymore

[@themindofjohn4346]

My company gets new f450s, about 2, every year. I've seen literally brand new trucks with 20 miles and when I take the dash apart to wire the new systems in, the metal framing of it is already rusted. Its insane. A 2020 f45p had 2 alternator bolts finger loose and loose motor mounts

[@curtis1951]

Everyone thinking about buying Ford should watch this video first. Everything he said is true.

[@michaelbenoit248]

chad Spidle, he’s not kidding about the old trucks before 97, I drive a 95/96-97 f250 w a 7.3 and it’s got 367K on it and it pulls like a freight train and sounds like no other. I’m 16 and my old truck has been pretty freaking reliable after I changed all the sensors on it, changed the IPR & valve cover gaskets to the new ones without the 2 pice plug inside the valve cover so it doesn’t die when you hit a bump. That truck has taken a ton of beating but then I haven’t beat on it that much, it’s the most reliable thing I own and I can always count on it to start. I have also put a glow plug off switch so I can listen to music with the truck off but with the key on without killing the gasket plugs again, here in Texas we don’t really need glow plugs at all I’ve started the truck at 35-40 degrees and it started up just fine, I love my diesel and I wouldn’t trade the world for it. If I moved to another country I would put it in storage and when I came back I could put two new batteries in it and it’ll start right up no problem. My trucks previous owner took good care of it, it even had the sticker on the windshield for when to change the oil next, so that tells me he was diligent about maintenance on it. And if I sold it I would just buy another so that’s why I just love it. But it’s still got the old front shocks from 95 so they’ll get changed sooner than later cuz they make noise, like a rattling sound when I go down my drive way. Great video Rich, then later on he buys a 93 f350 4 door extended bed truck and is swapping a cat 3126 diesel in it.

[@zachhaleymorris4271]

If youre not a mechanic, it doesn't really matter.

[@zachhaleymorris4271]

Funny how Scotty Kilmer has basically the opposite opinion as this guy and he's a lot more experienced of a mechanic. Different strokes for different folks.

[@austinreeves9112]

Eberyone has their personal opinion. Scotty is more accurate but hes actually a mechanic. I saw comments on here about fords dashes warping and noisy power steering pumps. Its better than the major oil leaks and shitty quality of GM, and dodge. Or "RAM". Chrysler has the worst recall history and horrible reliability the worst of the big 3. GM is next on reliability issues. Ford has their issues but atleast they werent built with your tax dollars

[@mstchiefa7892]

Yea too late

[@mikeskidmore6754]

The New John Deere Tractor computers are Dealer only .. There is some aftermarkets hacking them and John Deere Crying they are breaking patent laws

[@User0000000000000004]

Thank God we had 8 years of intelligent people running government offices in the USA who correctly modified the DMCA to protect owners from companies like this.

[@MsFuzzywuzy]

This John Deere shit reminds you of Ford too huh? Glad to know I'm not alone. Rather have a Toro or other brand and fix it myself.

[@Firebird_876]

I believe that there was a act passed called the right to repair law, but don’t quote me on that. The bill a forced Deere and other companies to release the software/tooling to the public. So that farmers could work on their own machinery.

[@SourGrey]

fact

[@hhiippiittyy]

To be a technical asshole here... I think it's copyright laws regarding their software.

[@garyalford9394]

I knew a fellow who's business was installing snow plows and dump beds etc , he had done this for many years and quit the business because he said it was too hard findng places to hook up the wiring etc, if you do it wrong now you can screw up modules etc.

[@abpsd73]

All brands are getting to be that way. A friend of mine picked up a newer Sierra 2500, we couldn't connect the topper brake light since you need a special harness to plug into the rear body control module. Most older trucks had a capped off wire in the tail light harness for it. Just another way they can squeeze the little guy.

[@kevineleven5610]

A good honest account and hopefully people will take it as such. Thankyou

[@karinsamantha9027]

At this point in my life I would much rather rehab a 80's / 90's Dodge or Chevy truck then to give the dealership $40,000.00 - 80,000.00 on a truck you are afraid to use for the intended purpose.

[@brandonjoaquin660]

Hate working on fords, but LOVE driving them😂

[@busterscrugs]

Damn, even my BMW has a driveshaft with a replaceable center support bearing. RIP Ford.

[@randbauer8820]

Haha bmw is as bad as this dude makes ford sound. I’m not even a mechanic, and I do all the work on my f150. The bmw I had, was cool till it had issues. That thing was a stupid mess after that. Pretty much salvaged over a head gasket

[@davidj4662]

Rand Bauer BMW’s are actually pretty easy to work on, at least there’s some intelligence used in the engineering. I have 2 mid 2000’s BMW and lots of stuff is easy to fix and parts are no more expensive than other brands.

[@isaakwelch3451]

@@davidj4662 When I was a teenager we had a BMW mini. That car was the worst car we've had to this day. Designed specifically to be as hard to work on as possible. You couldn't do an oil change without spending an hour taking hoses and shrouds off to get to the oil filter! The battery was underneath a mountain of plastic packaging, and there wasn't even an oil dipstick. The engine blew twice due to a known defect and was replaced under warranty twice. We ended up selling it because the third engine developed massive oil leaks after about 20k miles.At least it was fun to drive when it was working right (which wasn't often). I work on my own cars and I've worked on quite a few, domestic and foreign, and none has been nearly as bad as that mini was (although a mercedes came close)

[@benzlover55]

@@isaakwelch3451 which Mercedes may I ask? Inspite of my username I am well aware that many Benzes were trash.

[@isaakwelch3451]

@@benzlover55 I don't even remember anymore. It was a car that a friend had, that I ended up working on because he was way over his head. Late 90's like a 97 or 98 if I remember right. Lots of electrical issues but everything just seemed more complicated than it needed to be.

[@CysMix1]

I have had nothing but good luck with my 7.3 amd have had no problem working on it

[@theselimt]

As a Ford fan I absolutely agree with you. That's why I put a cummins in my OBS F-350.

[@AlwaysBeSmart674]

So you're a fan of the way fords look then...lol thats superficial...

[@reyvegas5418]

Rip 7.3

[@tinmanstavern]

7.3>12v

[@theselimt]

Actually guys it was a 460 originally.

[@theselimt]

And I'll take a 12v over a 7.3 any day. So much simpler. Yeah it's pricier to start but I can mod it to the moon easily. Incredible parts availability. Can't argue with that.

[@eaglefat9398]

Ford cars from the 80s and 90s were a nightmare, vacuum lines into vacuum lines into a chicken noodle soup can into more vacuum lines , $8,000 scanner later and you still need a break out box and the alldata book is showing a carb even though its fuel injection, turns out the no start was because the steering wheel was turned a little.

[@testosteroneinc.3800]

I'll be Frank I'm Leary about using my name I'm DEAD 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@TheBrokenLife]

I've had the exact opposite experience with my '90s Ford products. Dirt simple to maintain and if it won't run there's an internal engine part hanging out of the pan. If it runs bad the "code scanner" is a paper clip to use on the diagnostic port under the hood, but usually its something super simple like an ignition problem. Cars in the '80s were pretty much junk from everyone though. Even Toyotas even looked like a pack of squids humping under the hood from all of the half baked emissions equipment everywhere. That's why pretty much the first thing everyone did when there was a problem was take all of that crap off and throw it out.

[@eaglefat9398]

The fwd cars were mostly the problem, obd1 was simple and i do miss the paper clip but for a mechanic to make money and not waste time they can''t just throw parts at it, they need to be sure its a o2 or a maf and some things like coil packs can go out intermittently and you need a good scanner that reads values and logs in real time not the kind that just pulls codes

[@TheBrokenLife]

Oddly, 3 of my 90s Fords have been the FWD platforms of the era and they've all been fantastic. I've also found that on OBD-I cars the troubleshooting charts are actually helpful, accurate, and generally do not end with "replace motor" the way the modern charts do. If you measure a sensor with a simple multimeter and don't get back what you expect to see, there's your problem. The experience of the mechanic is supposed to dictate what sensor you measure for what problem. I've never had the need to datalog an OBD-I car. Only OBD-II because the computers will absolutely freak out if they get outside of emissions boundaries where as OBD-I doesn't give even the slightest of shits. Then there are problems like OBD-II being too smart for its own good and doing things like not setting a code when the cam trigger goes out intermittently even though the vehicle is moving and throttle is being applied (looking at you GM) or when a sensor continuously operates on the high side of normal, like Chrysler forward O2s that will actually cause what feels like a loss of ignition (from an O2!!). I've never seen an OBD-I car exhibit any of those behaviors, which I had to find by logging, and I've actually seen more than one old plow truck driving around with the O2 hanging down from its wires. I'm happy to have a difference of opinion with you on this one. My experiences just haven't been the same as yours, but I can see how OBD-I would be a real nightmare for a tech before the industry standardized on just ONE diagnostic port. Even knowing where all of the damn connectors are on pre-1995 cars would be a full time job. I just don't blame Ford alone for that shortcoming.

[@sreilly]

I own an '86 T-Bird that I learned how to drive it. No issues besides routine maintenance and a heater core. However, it only has 38,000 miles. Thankfully it has no check engine light haha! I am a GM guy, however. But I always had a soft spot for T-Birds. However, I did remove all the emissions crap on the bird. Got rid of a lot of vacuum lines haha!

[@keithmaloney936]

Thanks for your time. I was looking at buying a newer f450 for my next service truck. Not now I'll stay gm

[@rdeanbenson2214]

Sooo, going gas I'm guessing.

[@ezequielhernandez8739]

Need a 7.3 if Ford

[@deadeyeconstructionandoutd5319]

I've had the exact opposite experience with my Ford and GM vehicles which is why I only buy Ford trucks now.

[@usethenoodle]

Me too. The GM stuff fell apart and was really pretty terrible but my ford stuff has been wonderful. Almost trouble free. Not perfect but always better than the GM brand. I had one Dodge. Not doing that ever again.

[@williammorgan5987]

I never sold a Chevy I ever bought. All scrap metal. Ford, sold one the other caught fire. My Dodge Ram 5.9 (gas) I traded in after 500k miles. My 17’ 1500 is now north of 650 horse. We shall see how long it lasts. 80k miles now

[@aterack833]

Craig Miller GM or Chevy? Chevy is garbage and makes badges to put on the “2nds” trucks from GM (seriously though, the metal is thinner and alloy metals have less quality metal and more trash, I don’t understand it, the worst part is a lot of it is interchangeable

[@usethenoodle]

@@aterack833 I've had a few GM cars. In 1980 I bought a brand new T-top Monte Carlo which was a thing of beauty in the show room. In a year it was leaking water around the windows, the carpets turned from gold to green, the fasteners and such under the hood began to rust. It was literally falling apart. It got traded off and I got hosed in the process. My father worked for GM and my older Brother only buys GM. I'm a total Ford guy and while nothing is perfect, I love my Fords. I have a 2001 Super Duty which I have fully restored to mint. 126,000 miles. The wife has a new Explorer. It's a beautiful car in every way. They break now and then but in over 44 years driving cars and trucks... they all do. Pick your poison. I can still taste that Monte Carlo... yuck. And Dodge or RAM.... no thanks. Never liked the Mopar anything.

[@usethenoodle]

@@Lq32332 Pick your poison. They all break. My Super Duty lost 2nd gear at 44,000. It's a 2001 with the wonderful 7.3. The 4R100 trans was known to be a weak sister in it's initial form, and I knew that going in so I that one time bought a 3 year used vehicle warrantee. The truck was lightly used at 36,000 miles but was at that time was mint at 11 years old. It is an E-Cab Lariat, 8' bed which was my requirement (I don't need a crew cab but I do need 8' on the bed) and I wanted the International Harvester 7.3 work horse diesel. No DPF/Emissions mileage killing garbage. A work proven power plant. It was the truck I was looking for. So when the 2nd gear let go, I wasn't too shocked. Who knows how it was driven before I got it? The warrantee had one month left on it and the $3000 warrantee fully covered the $4100 dollar replacement with the upgraded/up engineered trans. Nice. What a lot of people don't know is that when doing heavy towing, up mountain passes, like I do... you need to monitor the trans temp. 225f is the red line. It's easy to go way higher if it's not driven right or you really have your foot in it without a temp gauge. Thats why these things fail early in trucks. They get run too hot too long and they run the fluid way too long. I put a temp gauge on the new trans. I larger cooler. An air ventilated pan and I personally do the change of fluid myself every 15,000. A full fluid change not just the pan. And (very important) I run a Magnafine magnetic inline filter on the return line from the big cooler. It I get up around 200 degrees, I just back down a bit. I'm now at 126,000 with no issues at all. I'm a total Ford guy.