Why I Regret Buying the Ford F-150 Lightning EV Truck

[@loriw2661]

I have a 2023 F150 Lightening XLT. I charge at home once every two weeks. Moral of the story…if you can’t charge at home do your research BEFORE you buy it. It’s an amazing daily driver and this video is proof of why you research things before you buy something. Anything.

[@soundsnags2001]

I don't think anybody will submit this video as proof of such.

[@josephjupiter3982]

I have had my Lariat ER for five months, and I love it. I drove it from Maryland to South Carolina and back with no problems. One way was 500 miles. The BlueCruise is amazing for road trips.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-if9gp]

I have a 23 xlt ER, have had it for 4 months, I drive A LOT. I have 23k miles on it already. And long story short, if you will not charge at home… DONT BUY. If you will drive over 300 miles a day, DONT BUY. I drive 250 miles a day and that’s pushing it. But you need to have the Ford station pro otherwise you will not make it. If you will do long trips, plan on 40 min charge sessions. For me, I LOVE THIS TRUCK as a daily work commute car.

[@earlyriser2639]

I charge to 90% everyday. I go to work and charge, at one of the free charging stations for employees only. With a daily commute of 96 miles, I save almost $560 per month. I charge at home maybe once a month and only enough to keep the battery at close to 50% until I get back to work. YOU MUST do your research and make sure you're in the right situation for this vehicle.

[@MegaHops1]

I love my 2023 XLT ER. I drive it every day. You could have figured out all that before you purchased it. I drove it from WA to Vegas; it was awesome. Hopefully, you find a better fit.

[@Freeway_Media]

It’s a great car and did fit what I was using it for at the time. Now that I’m trying to make more car content, doesn’t really make sense to drive this in order to “save money” I should be driving my other cars to make content.

[@Astrand1]

@megahops1 I was going to say the same thing. I just drove my lightning back home from LA to Michigan. I had a great time. I have the Tesla adapter for superchargers and yeah it took a couple minutes to plan my trip but with apps like ABRP it makes it super easy. I took the time when charging to take a walk, or eat lunch. I made it work. I saved almost $200 as compared to my ice f150 that got about 20mpg on the highway. It’s the best truck I’ve ever owned. And I would say you’re not going to hurt the battery by fast charging it on a road trip. Sure if that’s all you did to charge was DC then yeah but most people can charge at home or some other level 2 situation and then not charging to 100% you’ll be fine. I found that my trip across the country there was never a time where I could not find a charger or a choice of different chargers so I could get a better rate. Overall it was a great trip and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

[@michaelwitkiewicz7052]

Disagree. I own a lightning Pro. I have zero issues with taking a long trip as long as it’s not into a complete charging desert. About 90% of my driving I can do at three to four times cheaper on a cost per mile then the petro powered trucks I own, or have owned.

[@Astrand1]

@@michaelwitkiewicz7052 yep. And I’m assuming you having a pro are on a std. range battery which makes it even more impressive. I use ABRP and it’s really not that bad at all. An extra few min of planning and you’re good. 👍

[@michaelwitkiewicz7052]

@@Astrand1 except I have an ext range battery. Rare as hens teeth, but I have one.

[@badm0t0rf1ng3r]

A lot of these complaints are not really specific to the Lightning, and a bit of planning could absolutely negate any of the downsides you have brought up.

[@Freeway_Media]

They were realized negatives from the beginning mostly. Just had a change of heart after owning it for 6 months.

[@MK3504]

As someone who is a manual gas engine enthusiastic that had gotten one recently, alot of these complaints would be negated with research. Amazing city truck for a contractor not a replacement for a full time work truck.

[@Freeway_Media]

Exactly, at the time of purchase it fit exactly why I bought it. Now that I’m doing car content more I don’t need to try to “save money” by driving this. It really just is costing me more than saving me at this point

[@MK3504]

@@Freeway_Media I see, valid point. For a NPC city commuter the Lightning checks all my boxes. "Efficient" in the city has no clunky transmission, low NVH, and has utility when you need it. EV fanboys are just as bad as the haters imo. There's a use case for everything, I hear too often from the EV only crowd that they would never get a "gasser" and it's outdated technology. The funny thing is those people often drive 10 minutes to work and back and couldn't fathom why driving an EV long distances is outright stupid.

[@Freeway_Media]

The distance truly is the worst part. As a daily commuter sure it’s great if you don’t need to go far and I agree it’s easily one of the most comfortable cars I’ve driven. EV is perfect for that!

[@stevebondy5404]

It's absolutely a great replacement for full-time work truck. Mine is and I put 200km on a day and have half a battery left over. I save $600 a month in fuel.

[@matthewjohnson4903]

You're welcome to your opinion as everyone is, but I take my lightning on road trips all the time. The blue cruise is such a game changer, and stopping every 2-3 hours to fast charge for 20 minutes is a non issue for me.

[@bowefamilyEV]

Being in CA with moderate weather and lots of traffic the Lightning has been absolutely ideal for me. Having solar also made it a no brainer. It’s about the right tool for the job for sure. An EV won’t be the answer for everyone and that’s ok. Thanks for sharing

[@Scott-iw8yr]

Also the Ford Pro Station is overkill unless you plan on powering your home. I just use the NEMA 14-50 outlet and electrician only charge me 150$ to install in the garage. Your limited to 35amps but way more than enough to charge up completely over night.

[@Freeway_Media]

I do long distance drives multiple times a day (hundreds of miles) so it’s nice to be able to get that quick charge when needed.

[@taknmyshot]

I agree on the Charge Staton Pro. I've already disconnected mine and replaced it with a smaller charger that will charge more than just the Lightning. Still love the truck after 15 months of ownership.

[@PurpleCollarLife]

Interesting thoughts. Where are you trading it in?

[@kevinsullivan3936]

there's big rebates for those chargers and installation. should cost you almost nothing

[@Freeway_Media]

Got the charger for free, installation is not free. Rebates are on the truck (at least when I purchased it)

[@Wu-TangLAN]

Legit the best way to describe a ev to a person who isn't familiar is this is a cellphone on wheels: software updates over service appointments

[@slayerplay5429]

This guy doesn’t do his research, u drive a 2023 ford lightning. I absolutely love it. I have had it for 4 months and have 15,000 miles on it already. No problems and I use it for work! This guy is a nerd

[@Freeway_Media]

Or, we just have different opinions

[@jasanmiguel]

How expensive is it charging at home? In New Jersey, where I live there's a $1500 rebate for installing charging equipment at home. Also the power company offers special overnight electricity rates of 6 cents/kwhr. Is this what you have?

[@travis5481]

So a full charge would cost you under $8. In my gas F150 that same distance of driving would cost almost $70.

[@iChis23]

I have a lariat and it doesn’t bounce while driving. If you are looking to get a gel at, no truck is for you. This is t for people that drive 600 miles all the time. My truck saves me $10,000 a year in fuel and oil.

[@l81tlons]

Sounds like you made this video for the clicks. Nothing you said wasn't already known if you did just a little bit of research before buying an EV. The one thing i totally disagree with you on is the ride. Not sure how you can say the ride isn't super smooth and instead bumpy. I've driven in both and the lighting is so much smoother and more comfortable, especially on bumpy roads. But to each their own.

[@Freeway_Media]

So I’m in the wrong because I wanted to make a KZbin video to get views? Isn’t that backwards? Clearly I made it to get views. This is my personal impressions, coming from someone who drives race cars and performance cars mainly. If you don’t like it, sorry to hear. But it’s my opinion

[@Freeway_Media]

I also didn’t say the ride was bumpy, I said it’s very comfortable but “bounces” one too many times, not bumpy. You’ll notice when you go over a bump, the car moves up and down quite a few times, one too many in my opinion. Which comes down to physics and the weight of the car. Smooth? Yes. A bit too Floaty? Yes.

[@Smashknuckles]

I’m gonna make a video called “I regret jumping into a lake because it got me all wet”.

[@Wzded]

Wants something that drives playfully, but has to do truck things, but can't cost a lot... And I'll never understand people buying EVs to go on hundred mile trips

[@Freeway_Media]

Point is EV = boring Bought a supercharged Audi

[@deevonx4186]

Lol you're literally comparing apples and oranges. You make no sense. You're comparing a truck vs. a sports car... What a dumb comment

[@travis5481]

Hundred mile trips are the best thing to use this for. Even with the worst range variables I’ve never been under 200 miles. I save so much on those trips vs my gas F150. No vehicle is for everyone, but so many people could use an EV for 95% of their use.

[@jonmarshall3414]

Above 90 degrees you are losing more range than in cold?? EVs are most efficient from high 60s to high 80s so 90s is barely going to dent your efficiency. And how are you only getting 1.7 mi/kWh on the highway? Easily get over 2.0 at 65-70 unless its freezing out or strong headwind. Road trips you should be stopping about 30 minutes every 3-4 hours, especially with tesla chargers. Also wondering why you think EVs are easier to fix yourself vs a modern truck. Most of the non-power train parts are the exact same. Battery has 8 year warranty, and EV motors are way more reliable than ICE engines and transmissions. Gotta say, really just seems like you bought an expensive EV without knowing anything about EVs.

[@Freeway_Media]

Well unfortunately that’s not how it works, I own the truck and have seen it happen with my own eyes haha

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

the air conditioning takes away 30% of range. Even out of spec concluded that and they are as pro EV as it gets. UNFORTUNATELY, it also does that for ICE.

[@jonmarshall3414]

@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments lol source? The A/C maybe uses 5% at most unless you are driving down the street, there is no way a compressor running takes up even close to 1/3 of what the power train takes. Takes way less power than a resistive heater that my EV has. Even that will not be close to 30%. Source: Driven thousands of miles in multiple summers owning this truck.

[@jonmarshall3414]

@@Freeway_Mediawhat’s not how it works? I’ve had my lighting through 2 summers now and the A/C barely impacts range. The lightning subreddit is filled with the same sentiment. An A/C compressor is not going to use more than a resistive heating element. So either you had some unlucky variables that affected your data or your truck is an outlier.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

@@jonmarshall3414 Out Of Spec Reviews on KZbin.

[@r5LgxTbQ]

by my math where I live, an EV truck like F-150 Lightning or Rivian R1T costs similar to a 40mpg gas vehicle when gas prices are at $3.50. But public charging is usually about twice as expensive so half that and its similar to a 20mpg gas vehicle (or, a typical gas truck)

[@mikeflanary642]

If you can't home charge (level 2), you'll be paying a lot more per kwh. Like tap and Fiji bottled water difference

[@travis5481]

I traded in my 5.0 F150 for this and couldn’t be happier. I save so much on fuel and this is way more comfortable and practical. I’d argue the “soul” of a vehicle is overrated complete nonsense outside of sports/vintage cars- my old F150 made some nice sounds, but paired with a 10spd automatic did absolutely nothing for me.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Not going to ding when it is your decision to not keep the truck, and I do not live in your shoes. My subjective opinion is the opposite. I could not be more satisfied by ditching my 2018 duramax. It no longer made any sense to keep my twice a week routine to fill it up. I took delivery of the competitor of Ford, the Silverado EV. I work and travel on the east coast and have not experienced hardship issues while on the occasional road trip (RI to GA). Keeping to destination L1 or L2 charging planning also helps. My operating routine sticks to home charging, when leaving the garage with a full "tank" takes advantage of the EV simplicity and lower operating cost. BTW, I found pick up truck purchase prices between EV and ICE pretty much on par with each other. I wish you better luck the next time around with your next vehicle purchase, they are too expensive at any point to have regrets with your hard earned money.

[@GlennC789]

Would like to have had more numbers, but good video. I figure 2 miles/kwH probably equates to about 20mpg on cost paying household electric rates, more if you're paying extra for charging. Not a bargain. Honestly EVs make more sense for small runabouts than anything like a full-sized truck.

[@richardabbott451]

Not even close - I pay $.05 per kWh and get about 2.5 mi/kWh in my Lightning, which means it costs 2 cents per mile. Do gas trucks cost 2 cents per mile? no not even close, more like $.18/mi

[@chowchow12131428]

@@richardabbott451 Depends where you live. Southern CA electric rates are .26 cents or more off peak and .67 cents or more on peak. So if you get a truck with 20 MPG at $4.00 a gallon and compare to 1.5 miles per Kwh at off peak charging with 80% charging efficiency, because charging is not 100% efficient the cost per mile is a wash. The only benefit of EV is driving dynamics, instant torque.

[@Freeway_Media]

If you really look into your price per KW I can almost guarantee it’s not .05 I thought the same thing when I bought this. My “price per kw” is .08 HOWEVER there are a ton of additions to that in which technically raises the price per kw on your bill. Mine is raised to about .2 after everything, more than double what I thought when I had purchased this truck.

[@tuomasholo]

The video is surprisingly informative. Thanks

[@yaowang74]

Nice video and all main pros and cons are well summarized!

[@Freeway_Media]

Thanks!

[@stevencole7331]

I did not hear a real reason to give up the truck . You did a couple of super charging. You have alternative gas vehicles for road trips . Your home charger installation might be expensive but it's installed and done so that doesn't matter . You don't seem to be the type of trailer person but if you are I stand to be corrected . Independent suspension not ever seen on a ford pickup should be a dream to drive . Why would you have your windows open while you drive to breath in the car exhaust which is toxic ? I am sure it also affects range negatively. You only had one minor electronic glitch ? Wow that's impressive with all the warranty issues we see with new vehicles . Reliability is the top of the list of desire by vehicle owners . I see it as a well suited vehicle for your lifestyle . I am sorry to have to say this all new vehicles are not simple and use software updates. Companies have figured they can make money off subscription services . My 20 year vehicles don't have any of that but that has gone with the age of the dinosaur and I presume you would not want to go back to that

[@Freeway_Media]

Your third sentence is a HUGE part of why too… I am trying to do a ton of car content, so it doesn’t make sense for me to drive the lightning to “save money on gas” when I need to drive my other cars. It also was very expensive! That also played a big role!

[@ExecutivePrecision]

Please place your mic up higher on your collar because you speak with your knuckles and all I could hear every other second was you plopping your knuckles into your other hand, creating a clapping noise which was very distracting. Other than that you have great content and even greater dad level calves.

[@Freeway_Media]

I actually noticed that while editing too, next time I’ll be sure to not clap while talking haha! Thank you lol

[@danaberman6929]

So glad I just purchased a 2024 Chevy 2500 ZR2. Gas is the way to go. I can fill up in 5 minutes and have over 400 miles of range. My tailgate is remote too. It also closes with the touch of a button.

[@Scott-iw8yr]

Weird how getting updates is viewed as a negative for you. I hear you on the public charging but how often do you find yourself using them? I also live in NE Ohio and our electricity is only .066$ a kwh. I actually found some free public charge stations in Columbus and have never actually paid out of pocket because of the free EA Ford provided.

[@Freeway_Media]

I get what you mean on the updates, I can see both sides. To me, a vehicle shouldn’t need updates and or force you to update. .066 is the cost per KW, but there’s other charges in there that more than double it if you really look at your bill. Obviously cheaper than gas, but not as much as you think.

[@Scott-iw8yr]

@@Freeway_Media I'm not sure I follow with the electric bill what doubles? Its much cheaper than gas at .066kwh its only 5$ to go from 0-100% on my 98kwh battery. Thats 240 miles of range making it roughly .02$ a miles. I can promise you a gas truck is high teens at best. Your vehicles doesn't "need" updates. They offer new features to the software. You can disable them. Ford isn't forcing you into it.

[@davejones1959]

Never, ever buy an electric vehicle without a garage to store it in and a home to charge it at. If someone buys a 80-100K EV and do not have a home, they need to get their priorities straight. I have the Hummer EV SUV, it is garaged kept and in Florida, FPL offers $31.00 per month unlimited charging. It was a no brainer to get an EV. I save over $500 a month is gas alone and drive the best looking SUV on the market. My Hellcat Redeye and C8 vert are collecting dust. I ordered the Electric Charger Stage 2 just an hour ago. I will be fully Electric within a year. I charge my Hummer every night to 80% and leave the house with 280 miles range. If on a road trip more than 300 miles, the trip planner routes me to FPL Evolution or Electrify American charging stations and I pay .30c/kw (FPL) and .42c/kw (EA). Not ideal, but quite doable a couple of times per year. 850 HP in the Hummer is Insane and I get 65 mpg equivalent, crazy numbers for a 9000 lbs. SUV

[@brita654]

Clearly young man, you didn’t do your homework before shelling out tens of thousands of dollars. lol. Honestly the only surprise I’ve gotten since getting this truck is that gas has dropped about 70 cents. So far it has lived up to everything I hoped it would. 10k miles troublefree thus far. XLT. But everyone has the right to change their mind or seek the car they prefer.

[@Freeway_Media]

My life changed drastically since I bought it which also plays a part. Like I said, great vehicle, just not for me anymore

[@dislexikcracker]

Is it safe to advertise how much copper you have on your garage wall?

[@Freeway_Media]

Is it safe to try to steal stuff where the 2nd amendment exists?

[@tonygilbert2167]

When you buy a vehicle do your research, my neighbor has one and he loves it, he only pays 16 cent per kilowatt.

[@Freeway_Media]

I only pay 18 cents per KW. My research what correct but it’s just not what I need anymore. Loved it while I had it but now I regret buying it

[@luis_ortiz963]

Just sounds to me like someone didn’t take the time to look up detail and just got the truck because it was new, shiny and electric.

[@Freeway_Media]

Quite the opposite actually. Just lost interest in the truck and changed what I’m doing with my life. A lot can change in 6 months!

[@asafgrin493]

@FreewayMedia, Do you seriously prefer to take the truck to a dealer and fix issues, vs do an OTA update? these updates add features and fix issues, Ford ICE trucks also get these updates the same way, but are less effective. This video is full of subjective opinions not information. as someone with a 23 Lariat ER, I disagree with most of the things you said. I wish you luck on your content creation journey,

[@isaachodges4001]

I have a 2007 Chevy Avalanche with a 31 gallon tank. I'm better off with it. 😂

[@mikeflanary642]

Test drive a Lightning. You might be surprised. Remember going from a flip phone to the iPhone? Like that but better. Then again, some people still have land lines

[@sirgardensalot]

I think lack of research was your problem and you'd have been better off buying the F-150 hybrid that probably would have been closer to the videos that you have on your Channel you were right though buying a used one is a good idea but also when you brought that F-150 Lightning you should have got anywhere from 10 to 7% off from the dealer and you should have never go in to a dealership starting negotiations online to get the best price out the door. Ford are doing some really good incentives right now 0% financing for 60 months and a free 80 amp charger with installation until the end of November DC fast charging you need the app whether that's the Tesla app or Electrify America app and that will give you a cheaper rate you do have to pay a small fee so if you're doing a lot of road trips then it's worth charging at home is the cheapest way to go I have an EV and I'm looking to buy an F-150 Lightning as an additional vehicle for my company used, it cost me $32 a month now to charge my vehicle at home I would spending on average $95.00 a week as small business owner that's a huge saving You have two additional EV trucks to choose from now Chevy Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV both will do 440 miles

[@Freeway_Media]

It wasn’t a lack of research but a complete change in opinion. I knew most of this stuff before purchasing the truck. I also got it for a great deal (the deals aren’t actually that good if you consider how much the car is worth AFTER you buy it). Simply change in opinion and what I’m doing with my life mainly.

[@jask320]

Thanks for the honest rewiew... I'll go and buy gas Chevy silverado trail boss...

[@Freeway_Media]

Smart choice 🤝 this lightning is no longer in my driveway

[@dave_and_lisa7923]

Wow. You're... well, I'll just say that you are wrong on so many fronts and have no clue. I love my Lighting.

[@VortexVibe634]

7k in 6 months and he thinks he drives a lot 😂

[@Freeway_Media]

I also have 3 other vehicles and 2 motorcycles. That’s why I’m saying it’s a lot lol considering I drive other stuff as well!

[@VortexVibe634]

@@Freeway_Media yes I saw it, but that doesn’t mean that particular truck was driven a lot. You drove a lot, just different vehicles.

[@TransitAndTeslas]

Updating a vehicle is normal in the EV world

[@Freeway_Media]

Count me out….

[@toskin6395]

We really like our lightning, but we have a different use case- we needed something faster than a TRX (family members truck). A flash is currently half the price of a TRX - a true bargain

[@Freeway_Media]

Yeah these things are fast! The TRX is also a great truck but gets u believe 6mpg? Can’t beat a supercharged v8 tho in some cases

[@-fuk57]

You needed something faster? What are you chasing???

[@wydryfly]

Gas prices are always manipulated just before elections. They’ll go back up quickly in mid November.

[@Fusionman187]

Your 12...come back and give truck opinions when you have a few years of ownership under your belt.

[@seanchernobyl2911]

You, sir, aren't fixing any truck! You didn't post any price comparison on what you paid for the TRUCK vs. other ICE crew cabs uxury trims. You didn't post what your electric bill per kwh vs. gas prices in your area, let alone what you paid for the in home charging instillation. You just gave "it's expensive". You want to haul stuff? Why not just buy an eco-diseal? Call it a day!

[@Freeway_Media]

This wasn’t meant to be a super in depth video about all the stats that come with owning an EV, rather my specific experience with it and what impacted my decision to sell it

[@victorvek5227]

Napoleon Dynamite doesn’t like the lightning.

[@Freeway_Media]

Bro this made my day, my mom used to call me that when I was like 8 I swear lol

[@brentweaver3092]

Wow! I disagree with just about everything in this. I’ve owned an ev for 4 years.

[@Freeway_Media]

What do you disagree with and what is your reasoning that you disagree

[@ZachRippke]

Sounding like a boomer

[@Freeway_Media]

Honestly got me there lol

[@jz4583]

You complain about the infrastructure you should learn some history of the first ICE vehicles. Where the only place you could get fuel is hardware stores and not all hardware stores had fuel. The range was terrible the roads were terrible they were noisy they put out a lot of smoke. People complained about them. They made comments about how their horses never breaks down an can take them anywhere they want to go and fuel was everywhere and anywhere you stopped and sometimes for free. At some point the EV's will replace the ICE's maybe in 20 to 30 years just like ICE's replaced the horse and buggy. So you can either be a pioneer or the masses that always complain about everything new and stay in the olden days.

[@Freeway_Media]

Tried being a pioneer, wasn’t for me. I’ve owned a Chevy volt and now this, and I will say… hybrid is 100% the future. All electric is NOT. That’s why supercars are doing hybrid as well, it’s the perfect balance.

[@josephs2640]

I buy a vehicle, I want the vehicle I purchased .... not an upgraded one! 🤣😂😂 "It's not a phone!" ...... ummm EV or not ..... ALL new vehicles are a cell phone on wheels. Dude, EV's are not for you ..... with a little research before buying one, you could of saved yourself alot of $$

[@Freeway_Media]

My opinion just changed over time after owning it. I did a ton of research before buying, I’m just making the points that affected my decision to sell so others can maybe learn from it.

[@davidbruns1471]

Once again… proof that plug-in hybrids are way to go… until the batteries get lighter and go longer…!

[@Freedomjustice-DC]

Great info. I personally have zero interest in ev vehicles

[@ethangoldblatt]

This is easily one of the worst reviews I’ve ever seen. “Trust me.” Nope

[@Freeway_Media]

It’s not a review, it’s why I regret buying it. Emphasis on the “I”

[@kabish0603]

So basically all your dislikes are things that are very well known if you do basic research. So many people bash EVs because they don’t take the time to research what they are paying 90k + on, I just don’t get it.

[@Freeway_Media]

Nowhere near 90k, and I did extensive research. Just because I may have knew these things, doesn’t mean they can’t be reasons I regret buying.

[@razmsu00]

One of the worst reviews I’ve seen. Kid didn’t do research. Gas/toy vehicle clearly suits his life. Constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth. Yikes. 😂

[@Freeway_Media]

It’s not a review, it’s why I regret buying it… yikes 😳

[@stevebondy5404]

Such a disingenuous video. Almost every point was off. I live in northern Canada and my nearest major city is hours away. With the tesla network now its very easy.

[@WanderingRobotStudio]

My 2001 Dodge Ram runs propane or gasoline, so I get to run on cheap propane in the summer and cheap gas in the winter. 80k miles, bought at 60k.

[@dugintexas7908]

I wonder why you even bothered to buy it if it was this bad. No soul in a 500hp truck ? Who cares... put your MAGA hat back on. You are luck to be in a place to waste money like you did on something that nice. I look forward to a day when I can waste money like that.

[@iansmith3975]

Everyone I’ve talked to regrets buying one of these. Electric cars are a fad that is just about over.

[@masterhomeguru2064]

I completely agree. I think I’m done with electric ⚡️. If anything I’ll get a Plug-In Hybrid but def not going back to full electric

[@iansmith3975]

@@masterhomeguru2064 I mean a RAV4 Hybrid will get you 50mpg. Can’t get much better than that

[@Freeway_Media]

I can honestly side with this! We had a plug in hybrid before (the Chevy volt) and it was great. However I also did have a major issue with that car that did leave me stranddd a couple times, even with only 75k miles (hybrid control module)

[@drgta6]

Yo have something against clean air?

[@brita654]

Actually you can get much better than that