Why I STOPPED Flying Razbam Modules in DCS

[@GoldenGnu]

It no longer matters to me who is wrong. It's on DE needs to fix it. They're still selling the affected modules, so they need to ensure those modules are maintained.

[@dcs_one]

Fair enough

[@robertmantell1700]

There is probably a contract in place that makes it so ED has to keep them up on their site. Just a guess.

[@denniswild4977]

@@robertmantell1700 regardless of contract, ED and RB could agree to take them off the store. While its not impossible that RB wants to keep them on the store, the likelihood is that ED the one wanting to keep them on the store. RB employees have stated multiple times that they are not happy about it. Right now, ED is selling someone elses IP, keeping the money and not warning the costumer that these modules are not being worked on. They tried a half-measure by moving the modules to the back of store, though they get pushed back to the top when users change the "sort by" order. RB has also gone three whole quarters without recieving sales figures of their modules and ED has removed SDK access entirely. I don't think we'll get a positive outcome to this situation.

[@zahnatom]

@@robertmantell1700 according to RB devs, ED has been asked numerous times to remove these modules from their store and they have refused to do so...

[@tyrehead]

Razbam was also in progress with the Mig-23MLA which was a much needed REDFOR aircraft for Cold war balance in DCS.

[@dcs_one]

If they come back they will probably continue to develop it

[@onetapgrey7059]

@@dcs_one why come back if you wont get paid?

[@MiG-23_enthusiast]

@onetapgrey7059 maybe the situation would get resolved, I hope so since the MiG-23 is one of my favorites

[@tickledpinkmist]

Bought the strike eagle and fly it regularly. It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles other A2G aircraft have but it hauls a shit load of ordinance and does it quickly.

[@dcs_one]

Hell yeah, and I would definitely get it again when I know there will be a resolve

[@BuddySpike101]

@@tickledpinkmist The F-15E should have loads more Air to ground weapons that would put it on par with all the other jets but obviously RAZBAM will probably never add the rest of the weapons.

[@tickledpinkmist]

@@BuddySpike101 Gbu-54’s are all I run. Wouldn’t mind that sniper pod and a HMD system though.

[@Dracomarine]

This situation pretty much turned me off to the game. I certainly will not be spending one more cent on it until ED addresses the issue. Even then, the fact that I can buy a module that might just not work at some point is a big turn off.

[@aaronwhite1786]

I've been playing since Flanker 2.5, Lock-On and then DCS, and this is really a first. I guess technically something similar happened with VEAO and their Hawk trainer module, but I think that was more VEAO leaving flight sims altogether, which caused the team at ED to decide that any modules in their game going forward would be required to provide the source code, so if a company randomly vanished or stopped working, they could at least patch the modules to keep them working. ED has said they don't have the source code and I haven't seen any denial of that from Razbam, which seems to be the crux of the whole issue.

[@dcs_one]

Yeah, it is quite a turn off

[@Dracomarine]

@@aaronwhite1786 the Hawk was before I started. The simple fact of the matter is that ED can’t garuntee the aircraft in their game will keep functioning. It’s a trust killer. Im not sure what else constructive there is to say. It’s just such a frustrating situation all around

[@dimitri1154]

@Dracomarine then stop hiring outside contractors, or make them give up their code ahead of time. I believe that was part of the problem, Razbam didn't want to share and then weaponzied the fan base. Its best to just buy ED modules. There is a Mig 29 coming, so there's that.

[@zahnatom]

​@@dimitri1154 its best to not give ED any more money. the F-15E codebase problem is entirely dependent on when the contract was signed. this jet has been in development for quite a while so it is possible that they signed the contract before the requirement was put in place to share the code with ED. ED is currently just straight up stealing from razbam by selling their module without RB's consent and without paying them a dime. it's on ED to fix this. its not even the first time that ED just stopped paying a 3rd party dev, just that this time they had to come up with some arbitrary reason which wouldnt hold up in the court of law

[@fish26de]

Hi, I don't think there is a topic that is currently as hotly debated as this one. I have all RAZBAM modules and hope that both sides come to a reasonable agreement. The buyers are the ones who suffer. I remember the disaster with the HAWK, which was simply patched out back then. That would be very bad with the RAZBAM modules.

[@dcs_one]

It's a hot topic and it there is a lot of heat towards anyone who speaks about the topic. I am also hoping that they come to an agreement that will come to a good resolve for the buyers. If the RAZBAM modules go the way of the HAWK then... well it won't be good

[@iwyrilja]

I really hope they resolve it. The F-15E is probably my favourite aircraft to fly in DCS. It feels like it was built for me. 12 bombs + 4 missiles with space left over for either 3 external fuel tanks or 3 more bombs. It carries so much fuel (even without drop tanks) that for most of my sorties I can be in full AB all the time. It’s so fast and powerful I can bravely run away from my enemies even while climbing. I don’t mind the bad TGP alot, I like striking strategic targets and bunkers so I mostly use 2000lb JDAMs with the A/G radar. The few times I use the TGP though it sucks and I would really like to see the litening or even the sniper TGPs

[@dcs_one]

They will have to resolve it somehow. The f-15E is a beast, I hope to fly it again some day

[@vimfuego8827]

@@dcs_one You can fly it now, what's your problem?

[@MrPeperoni79]

@@iwyrilja What ist wrong with the TGP?

[@Wildharrier]

It's just sad. The M2K might be one of the best modules by far, and the rest of Razbam's are quite amazing too. With the Mig-23 almost there and all happened, and what I think is the worst, no news for the customers...

[@dcs_one]

Yeah, I hope we get a resolve this year

[@robhoofs3932]

I am new to DCS and wanted to buy the mirage 2000. Then found out that ED and Razbam were not one the same page, so to say. So bought the F5 and F14 instead during the last sale. I hope Razbam will come back to support their modules

[@dcs_one]

Great module choice! Lets hope they do come around

[@robhoofs3932]

@@dcs_one I really hope they do. But if it is true that they are working with microprose on a new game then I think the chance of them returning is small I'm afraid

[@bronco5334]

I think you mean "I hope ED decide to give back the $1.4+ million dollars they unlawfully stole from Razbam, apologize for making entirely spurious, fraudulent slanderous claims about Razbam while trying to deflect criticism from themselves, and return control of Razbam's intellectual property to it's legal owners" The only thing preventing Razbam from getting back to developing, is ED stealing years worth of their work.

[@sparrowlt]

The F-5 is totally abandoned by ED even when they released a "Flaming cliffs" one recently.. still has a lot of issues.. wings break looking at them (known bug in the wingtips) gunsight doesnt work properly in the computing modes and performance is more than questionable.. dont get me wrong i own it and i love it.. but they refuse to fix obvious bugs and even Wags had the nerver to laught in a Q&A when asked what about the F-5

[@Gerdam]

I love the harrier, one of my favourite dcs aircraft. Mirage and F15e are also great and the mig 19 is a classic. It’s sad to see this dispute as it really hurts the end user.

[@dcs_one]

It does, let's hope we can see a resolve this year. Would be a nice Christmas gift to the end user

[@RFXCasey]

100 percent agree, it's a real shame. I was just starting to explore the Strike Eagle and was finding it very interesting. I really hope this gets resolved but I'm not holding my breath. If Microprose is working with Razbam I think it's an extremely bad move. Today's Microprose isn't the Microprose of the DOS era and associating themselves with Razbam would be, for me at least, a deal killer.

[@dcs_one]

I don’t have an opinion about Microprose so I won’t be able to comment on that

[@RFXCasey]

@@dcs_one Doesn't have to be Microprose, anyone doing business with Razbam is on my blacklist.

[@billpii6314]

@@RFXCasey That's a shame you will miss out then, I will buy their excellent mods whenever, where ever, they show up, If ED wasn't paying you would still stay? None of us really know or have the details to make a real decision on this so I don't lay blame on any one party, for now. But I will not stop buying GOOd flight sims even if RB made it.

[@RFXCasey]

@@billpii6314 Wasn't going to reply but couldn't resist. You're all over the place and seem rather incoherent. ED isn't paying me, we don't know if any upcoming flight sims will actually be "GOOd" and who pays for mods?

[@Adalla]

You overthink things my friend. Just fly the modules you enjoy, until they break (if they break). Only at that point, is it worth talking about breaking modules. And, just maybe a small disclaimer on videos that potentially, maybe (nobody knows yet) razbam modules may cease to work one day.

[@HighAspect]

Agree, seems like too much drama

[@dcs_one]

You are right, I do. The disclaimer thing isn’t a bad idea. Will have to think on it

[@vimfuego8827]

@@dcs_one Good, think on it, you may sleep better.

[@KuostA]

how exactly does a 'module break'? what does that mean?>

[@onetapgrey7059]

@@KuostA Razbam accused ED of not paying them for work, so Razbam stopped all work on any jet/heli that they make for DCS. ED denied all allegations. buyers get screwed with a brick

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

🕹Good Video @DCS ONE! I returned my F-15E for a full credit to use on a future ED module. Since I don't own any other RB modules, I say it doesn't affect me at all...but after what RB did to start this situation, I will not support them in the future. We will all be fine. ~Juice

[@NATO_Believer]

I have OCD and I cant stand the idea of a module stop working anywhere in the future, and if they work I cant stand the feeling of something not finished or with minor bugs

[@dcs_one]

Understandable, let's hope it gets resolved sooner rather than later.

[@billpii6314]

Then you must also have issues with ALL DCS modules because they all have at least some minor bugs.

[@NATO_Believer]

@@billpii6314 Yeah, DCS drives me crazy all the time, I don't enjoy it tbh. It's the OCD that takes the fun away.

[@ChrisPBacon-my7yt]

I'm in the same boat. I refunded to get the KW. ❤ the KW. I almost bought the Mudhen again, but no, not until this is resolved.

[@dcs_one]

KW ❤

[@jamesmontgomery9464]

I chose to get reimbursed for the F-15E. I still fly and love the rest of the Razbam modules, but I know eventually there will come an update that breaks them. it is a sham that ED does not inform those purchasing a Razbam module that they are no longer supported.

[@dcs_one]

Yeah, I don’t want to see the update that breaks the Harrier. A warning should be included before purchasing

[@billpii6314]

If an update breaks them that's on ED

[@marcquintin7855]

I fly the Mirage and the Harrier a lot, I have no complaints at all, life is too short to worry about sh*t like that

[@dcs_one]

You're right, if you enjoy them fly them! Might end up hoping into the cockpit soon

[@FreeFragUK]

The Razbam situation has resulted in two things for me. Firstly I've since stopped playing DCS until it's resolved, this is in part because the Harrier and Mirage are two of my favourite modules and I don't want to run risk of falling victim to issues that have crept in as a result of a lack of support. The second impact of the Razbam situation is that I've ceased purchasing content for DCS until this matter is resolved, as I no longer have the confidence when it comes to making DCS related purchases. I was very excited for the Kiowa but until I see a positive solution for the community when it comes to the Razbam situation, I have no intention of dropping more money on DCS. I may return given time as there are other modules I enjoy but for now I've been enjoying other sims/games.

[@fightertales]

Thank you for bringing light to this stuff.

[@dcs_one]

I am just sharing my thoughts, I think a lot of creators have already spoken on this topic a lot

[@fightertales]

@@dcs_one you'd be surprised at how many people still aren't aware

[@soliitudegaming7275]

I still fly the F-15E and AV8B every day. There is no reason to not be flying them... If they stopped working, then sure. But right now they work and are the most fun modules in the game.

[@Hotaru-jp]

Support RAZBAM! SHOW ED that we can vote w/ our wallets, and we as whole should bring awareness, fly their modules as a support and tell others about the issue, don't let this die, dont let this get into a limbo. As a lomac2 and dcs veteran 2007~2008 (lomac2) . 2008~2024 (dcs) i think that losing a studio is bad, ed has much more in terms of cash than razbam, and they do get a huge chunk of money from the a-10s ,f16/f18s apache , blackshark modules. popular modules with same price range that sells like water. I don't think its fair what both business are doing , we don't have all the details but razbam is clearly on the losing side, specially with their customers not receiving updates.

[@cks5148]

I bought mig19 , av8 harrier and mirage 2000 , I am glad I did not buy f15e and south alatantic map. To be honest that is a scam , why Ed keep selling these modules in steam ?

[@dcs_one]

They also sell it on their website, there should at least be a warning

[@shagrat47]

AFAIK because they are contractually required to offer the product in their store. The dispute may take a while, but from what I understand if ED were to violate the agreement to sell Razbam products, or affect the sales of Razbam products, that would be grounds for the next dispute. I personally still hope the lawyers can sort this out and reach an agreement... would help everyone, in the end.🤔

[@dcs_one]

@@shagrat47 ahaa, could be. I hipe they reslove it too

[@ElHyperion]

@cks5148 the South Atlantic map is made by a different team and probably won't be abandoned despite Razbam leaving DCS scene.

[@shagrat47]

@@dcs_one Was an info on the forum. BN or NL, IIRC. The thing is legal stuff is always messy and complicated and takes forever. I hope they resolve it and move on, as well. Currently it's a loss for everyone.

[@georgejoachim320]

Same here, man, I only had the F-15E, refunded it and bought Afghanistan. I was very interested in the Harrier and the Mirage 2000, but I am going to wait it out to see what will happen.

[@marcosavila8215]

we bought the plane to ED not to Razbam, thats the point ED at least need to get the right of the modules and fix them or they should be removed from the stores with a full refund.

[@dcs_one]

They should at least add a disclaimer before you buy it

[@Kjarn]

I revisited the mirage yesterday after more than a year. Visuals are incredible, sounds on point, flight model good and pretty much done. Then I tried some combat and right after take off I had to change a bunch of keybinds cause they changed some, the radar could not pick a single plane and the 530s could not track 2 targets 7 miles off when I had to switch to the ACM modes. I just don't know what happened to this beautiful (yet not really competent in DCS usual era) jet, but man it is a true shame.

[@dcs_one]

It is a shame, hopefully some day we can come back to a working jet

[@GlareAtEm]

the only thing that could make me stop flying my mudhen is the plane being removed entirely

[@dcs_one]

Understandable

[@cenkcdemir]

ED Should take over all the RB modules. I only have F-15E, and I love it despite it is less than half finished. I don't want it to become another Hawk T-1

[@dcs_one]

I think there is more to it than that. Lets hope it doesn’t go down the HAWK route

[@GlareAtEm]

@@dcs_one did people get their money back when the hawk was removed?

[@aaronwhite1786]

That's part of the problem. ED has said they don't have the source code for the F-15, which is part of the reason all of this stuff happened in the first place. Without the source code, ED can't guarantee that they can maintain modules if a developer abandons them. Razbam is proving exactly why ED requires the source code in the first place. It also strikes me as odd that ED would suddenly stop paying just on developer, who has been with the sim for a long time now, when they continue to pay everyone else and have no apparent cash shortfalls.

[@cenkcdemir]

@@aaronwhite1786 so why do we trust ed then? Not paying to rb is because they made a simulator (or module) to an Air Force by using ed data without informing or something like that

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@cenkcdemir If it violates a contract then it violates a contract. But I assume that's what they are determining. That said, ED has reported that they haven't received the Razbam source code (the thing ED needs to support the module if Razbam leaves) and Razbam, to my knowledge, has yet to deny it. If that happened, I can see why ED is withholding payment until they get what they need.

[@simonhouel1984]

Is the rumoured Microprose / Razbam F-15E game would have anything to do with the dispute ? Because if there really is a game being developped, they did not start yesterday ...

[@dcs_one]

I do not have information about this. Could be🤷🏻‍♂️

[@simonhouel1984]

@@dcs_one That's just complete speculation on my end. From day 1 something is off with this story ; like if ED did overreacted or something like that. But I could very well be light years away from the truth ...

[@dcs_one]

@@simonhouel1984 it would just explain the IP violation claims.

[@case.98]

i still enjoy the strike eagle and i don’t give it up just yet. This kind if legal disputes can take a heck load of time, they are not making public statements because if they say just a tiny bit too much it could be used against them in court. I once heard of a lawsuit about a couple of dollars and bad service from a cab driver, crap tool almost 2 years till the customer got his 15$ back and got compensated for the troubles.

[@dcs_one]

Oh yeah, legal things are complicated and take time. I will probably get back to the Eagle when this resolves

[@denniswild4977]

This whole thing is not going down in any court. ED is a swiss post box company with most of its operations happining out of Russia. Good luck trying to sue someone who has all your earnings from the past 12 or so months and can't be reached.

[@case.98]

@@denniswild4977 propably the reason it takes forever. Lawsuits are carried out on paper and it takes a whole lot of time to get a paper from one party to another, then they have 4 weeks time to prepare an answer and send another paper, this goes on for ages.

[@denniswild4977]

@@case.98There is no lawsuit happening. Lawyers are involved, but its still just negotiations. No courts, nothing. ED cannot be sued effectively, otherwise they could have been done for plenty of shady stuff by now. Like I said, Russian company with a Swiss post box. ED sits at the long stick here.

[@downwiththemouse4111]

Got the F-15SE a week after it dropped, up until that point I only flew the A-10A. It was my first full fidelity module, and i was hooked. I even built s flight sim rig to fly it. Now I can't use it anymore, and I'm pissed. The F-15 is my all time favorite plane. I don't even care about the issue the companies are having, just pissed that I spent a coupple hundred dollars getting everything set up for it, to now not be able to use it. Bought the A-10C just to have a full fidelity that is good for ground attack, and to continue playng DCS even if it's in a plane that is slower than some prop planes.. But damn do I miss flying a plane that can do faster than sound with a payload.

[@dcs_one]

Oh man, that is sad and frustrating. I hope they come to an agreement and we can all get back in our planes. Have fun in the A-10 meanwhile

[@Hellcatactual]

Honestly I love the F15E and still would recommend it. Even with its quirks a bugs I will fly it till the day it dies.

[@dcs_one]

Go for it, hope to get back in it someday

[@MrPeperoni79]

Did the M2000 not just receive some updates and what is wrong with it in the first place?

[@dcs_one]

It hasn’t received updates since the situation started. You might be refering to the F1 Mirage. I don’t remember the specifics but something broke so you couldn’t cild start it correctly

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

I have Mig19 and Harrier, until this shitshow is resolved, I am spending nothing on DCS. I cannot afford new modules to replace these if they break.

[@dcs_one]

Understandable

[@pinkfloyd7572]

First off, RB can kiss my azz. Never another penny to them in any sim. But I own the Harrier and the F-15E and fly them both a lot. I paid for them so I'm going to enjoy them as much as I want.

[@dcs_one]

That is a good point, if you have paid for it no reason not to fly it

[@dponder-xs7ok]

Wish I had the $700 back that I spent on DCS expecting a teased Dynamic Campaign. Been over a year since I trained with dcs.

[@ComdrStew]

You shouldn't have any trouble with the Harrier. It was already done.

[@dcs_one]

But the next ED patch could still break it and then who will fix it?

[@splashfreelance2376]

I've been having an ongoing problem with the Harrier, it seems some of the code fails in combination with my setup. Others have the same issue. Each time there's an update, it breaks until I find a fix through tweaking LUA files, or something else, but since two releases ago, it's not been able to talk to Mavericks of any kind. It might be a released module, but it's not bug free and although frustrating, in the past I've managed to get around the issue. Not any more.

[@tim-3705]

How do I refund the f15e? i didnt even know it was possible

[@dcs_one]

I am not sure if they are still doing it but you can try submitting a support ticket on the DCS website

[@arturrojek8034]

If I stop flying F-15E - then I stop flying in DCS. And if the rumors are confirmed that RAZBAM with MicroProse will create something where you can fly F-15C/E then I will definitely forget about DCS. For now, only F-15C and E and OH-58D keep me with DCS. I am not interested in the rest. And the fact that I am still playing with it is only a reality in which there is no - if only temporarily - alternative. Falcon BMS is slowly developing in the right direction, there is already a solidly made F-15C there, so the decision to leave DCS is slowly starting to mature...

[@dcs_one]

Yeah, but who knows, maybe with competition DCS will decide to improve as well

[@sloppydog4831]

It's a sad situation, no doubt about it. I asked for a refund for the F-15E when the radar stopped working, but since then I withdrew my request because I love this bird so much. I've been flying off camera, I've been creating missions for it that I intend to distribute to those who still fly it. On the other hand, making videos about it is a tough call: you run the risk of influencing people to buy a module that is unsupported. As someone has already said, maybe a disclaimer before each video will help out.

[@afroamasiaca]

We’re the same except I haven’t hit the Kiowa era yet

[@MrNz96]

looking for my 1st full modularity model what should i choose? looking for multirole mainly

[@dcs_one]

That depends on what you like! Start by deciding what era you want cold war or modern. Some good options are the f-16 and f-18. F-18 is known for being the best starter module, you can also do carrier ops with it. F-4 and F-14 are good cold war american options. F-14 is more Air to air though. Let me know if you have any more questions. The important thing is that you like the aircraft and it makes you passionate and then learning it will be easy :)

[@kadose]

I share your frustration and I understand where you are coming from. Going back many years to when DCS was Lock-On Flaming Cliffs circa 2008, there was a relatively small audience for this type of thing. There were obviously avid simmers, but nowhere near as much as now. The level of engagement now is on an entirely different level with content creators, tutorials, reviews, e.t.c. Add to that the fact that there is an industry for immersive peripherals now such as joystick replicas and VR headsets. The prospect of a new module sets the internet ablaze for months. ED and third party module creators have stumbled upon a gold-mine. I think they know that the DCS-Module combo is a winning ticket. I could be wrong but I predict that all this will be resolved and ED and Razbam will come to an agreement. The natural history of this process is more maps and more modules until we run out of places to fly in and planes in which to fly them. I think everything will be okay in the end. (Liked and subscribed to your channel)

[@dcs_one]

It is a gold mine, I think that they will come to a agreement too. Thanks for the sub :)

[@dunbar555]

its a fucking shame Razbam let its customers down-. ED isnt innocent either

[@dcs_one]

We definitely don't have the full story both parties are probably at fault in some way

[@bronco5334]

"How DARE Razbam fail to continue working without pay for MORE than a year while their thieving, lying publishers steal every cent of their contractually obligated revenues!??!? They should be HAPPY to be enslaved by papa ED!" GTFOH with that nonsense.

[@denniswild4977]

Not sure how you expect them to continue while receiving not a single cent for the F15E since its release. They rely on ED for their income and ED has withheld it. RB stated mutiple times they want to continue working on their modules. Its up to ED to resolve this.

[@Maverickf22flyer]

If they are not fixing the issues which most players do know about, they'll definitely never want to fix flight model issues on their modules, including a less important but worth notably one on the F-15E, such as the ailerons and elevons deflections not generating drag, so the plane holds it's airspeed or acceleration regardless of aileron inputs. While the FC3 Su-27/33 have it over-exaggerated, this one doesn't simulate it at all. Not to mention the too high lift and excessive drag vs AoA functions, plus excessive/overpowered engine on the Mirage 2000 and very arcade flight model of the MIG-19, only the Harrier is almost flawless when it comes to flight models. And RAZBAM also dared to try making the MIG-23? They have no shame. The MIG-23 better not be done than being one like the MIG-19.

[@dcs_one]

I didn’t know that, interesting

[@Pyreax865]

Sort of off topic, but I hope that Heatblur makes a full Fidelity F-15D, with more than the F-15C like AIM-9X’s.

[@dcs_one]

Man if Hearblur would make even a full fidelity F-15C… damn it would be good

[@jasonforsyth5015]

You're operating under the assumption that dcs itself will keep snd maintain its modules forever. In reality, dcs itself may end up fading away. Their business model is, if you buy a new module, dcs makes money and keeps making content. This can't last forever as eventually people will lose interest, they won't have enough drive space and they'll love on with their lives. So my advice is, if you like it. Fly it.

[@gambler1298]

Exactly. If one day, for some reason, the servers stop working... All your invested money and your hours of enjoyment will be dust in the wind. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[@dcs_one]

Agreed, the average consumer should definitely enjoy it while it lasts. Maybe I will hop in the Harrier off camera🤔

[@jasonforsyth5015]

@@dcs_one you paid for it, it's yours to do with as you please.

[@theflyinggasmask]

I think its a mistake to not fly the modules while they still actually work.

[@madds1973]

The Harrier is one of my favourite aircraft, along with my beloved A-10CII but i cant bring myself to buy the module as things are at the moment as its a big investment in both time and money, for the possibility of it to cease working at anytime.

[@dcs_one]

Yeah it is. Hope it resolves. The Harrier is a truly fun aircraft to fly

[@rcpilot9963]

I bought Mirage 2000 on ED sale years ago and don't fly it anymore. I wish to know how to remove it permanently from my shopping list.

[@TOMCATnbr]

The M2000 is still perfectly flyable. Still one of the best module on DCS....

[@dcs_one]

Didn’t it have a problem that limited the flyability after an ED patch?

[@bronco5334]

@@dcs_one For a few days, yes. Then the Razbam devs fixed it for them, despite having gone unpaid for a year. Razbam gave them an act of good faith, and ED once again shit on them and took advantage of them.

[@mdu2112]

The Harrier is a really good module.

[@dcs_one]

Really is. Probably in my top 3 favorites

[@bschuchi71]

After I'd bought the harrier and no updates came for it, I refunded the F-15, which I thought I have to have. I'm done with Scambam...😢

[@MaverickM1]

If rumors are true, razbam is the bad guy here. It seems they are working with microprose on a standalone f15 sim in the background since a while If that’s true, it is completely understandable ED pissed off. Sad situation, m2000 and AV8B are on my favorite module list.

[@dcs_one]

So that’s the rumor, that explains a lot and that this situation is quite complex

[@ionator2000ist]

The whole situation started much more before that. ED's issue is with the super tucano and technically it's not even EDs issue but the professional sim version of DCS which isn't even ran by ED. The single thing connecting ED to it is Nick grey.

[@bronco5334]

@@dcs_one That is an entirely bogus rumor with precisely zero evidence backing it. And even if Razbam WERE developing a standalone sim in conjunction with Microprose, that is not illegal, and would not obviate ED's legal obligation to pay Razbam their contractually guaranteed revenue share. Also, Maverick here is putting the cart before the horse. Razbam looking to work with other studios is the result of ED stealing Razbam's revenue and intellectual property and continuing to illegally profit from the unauthorized sale of Razbam's products in direct defiance of Razbam's requests to pull it from the DCS webstore. Razbam is looking for a new partner, because ED have shown themselves to be thieving scum. There is a solid, thorough paperwork trail showing ED did the exact same thing to Heatblur in the past, there is a solid, thorough paperwork trail of ED failing to pay ANYTHING to Razbam since conveniently EXACTLY when the highly-profitable F-15E modules released, there is a solid, thorough paperwork trail of ED making excuses to Razbam about why the pay was delayed- with no mention from ED of anything about Razbam doing anything wrong, and then suddenly, exactly when Razbam finally goes public to let the customers know that they can't continue to work without pay, suddenly the accusations of Razbam wrongdoing, only THEN does ED pull "IP violation" accusations out of their ass. None of the internal communications with Razbam or any of the other partner studios indicated that ED thought Razbam was doing ANYTHING wrong, until Razbam refused to be taken advantage of any longer. And drooling fanbois just ate up ED's obvious propaganda, and ignored all the actual evidence that clearly shows ED's version of the story is bullshit.

[@bronco5334]

@@ionator2000ist ED never had a problem with anything about the Super Tucano, which never made it past the proposal phase anyhow. The Super Tucano wasn't "the problem", it was just the most convenient excuse ED could latch onto to justify their blatant theft of Razbam assets.

[@ionator2000ist]

@@bronco5334 I know that, was just citing what ED was trying to push as the cause for all of this

[@KuostA]

Please excuse my ignorance, but how do they no longer 'supporting' the module, result in it literally not being flyable anymore? I've been out of the lomac series for awhile. Why can't you just fly them as is for fun if you want off camera? like, did they render them unusable>? or what do u mean exactly? I don't actually understand based off your video without further context. your video appears to be for dcs flyers who already know exactly what you're talking about, but not helpful for any wider audience past that niche.

[@knightsofrreee7961]

The base DCS World is getting updated all the time. There will come a time when the update will break something in the modules if they too are not updated.

[@Ghost-pz3uy]

So, did you blame any side about the dispute?

[@dcs_one]

I didn’t. Don’t feel like I can with the info I have

[@Runandgun13]

harrier and f15e still 2 of my favorites other than the 16 but, i can see from your standpoint. No reason to advertise it.

[@dcs_one]

Love the F-16 too! I should fly it more

[@oldanddisgusted5998]

I bought them, I’m flying them. Could care less about their little scrap. I payed and if they don’t keep them working the I WILL BE GIVEN A REFUND!

[@dcs_one]

As long as they work have at it. Refunds for digital products though are not as consumer friendly

[@WatchMysh]

Goodbye Mirage :(

[@dcs_one]

🫡

[@davidbradley3227]

I hate the idea of money going to lawyers and not into development

[@dcs_one]

It is unfortunate

[@captainMony]

5 months and no resolution 😢😢

[@dcs_one]

😢

[@johnwicks4936]

@@captainMony It’s been longer then that. That’s only when it went public.

[@captainMony]

@@johnwicks4936 a man :(

[@baronvonrichthofen2021]

From my perspective, I decided to never buy a Razbam product again. It didn’t really matter to me who is right it wrong. What matters to me is that Razbam stopped supporting their customers in the hope social pressure would push ED in favour of Razbam. It hasn’t. If Razbam builds products for MSFS, I expect them to abandon support for those as well if they get in a dispute with Microsoft. To me that’s not reliable. Even if it’s ED’s fault, Razbam should not have screwed over its customers (us). At the same time, ED should have stopped sales of Razbam products. It’s immoral to sell products of which one knows they are not supported and could break any moment. From this perspective I think ED should even offer money back (rather than store credit). I’m now contemplating getting rid of all my Razbam products. The only thing stopping me is lack of visibility of interesting new products. It’ll be at least 5 years before seeing new products show up. In the mean time no one is doing a remake for some of the Razbam aircraft, because that would be an infringement. So until they come to an agreement (probably never), we’ll never see this aircraft again in DCS. Soo no more harrier, m2000, mig19 or f15, ever….

[@dcs_one]

It will take time even if they resolve this, that is true. I do hold my optimism however about the existing modules.

[@bronco5334]

Razbam stopped supporting their modules because they had already worked for almost a year for free while ED stole their assets and pocketed all their revenues. Did you expect Razbam to continue working for free, for a band of thieving thugs, for the rest of time? Because I believe that kind of arrangement is known as "slavery". We here in the civilized world frown upon that kind of thing.

[@denniswild4977]

I dont blame RB from what info is out there. They haven't seen a single cent for the F-15E yet. Its true that that a company should not let down their costumers, but if that comany is not seeing any money because the middle man is keeping it, how do you expect them to keep working?

[@BuxtonHouse]

im not gonna watch this video cause i know why you stopped and all im gonna say is join the club

[@dcs_one]

Club joined!

[@paulmonroe7865]

Drop play this games. Play Jane's Combat Simulations: USAF. Really super game!

[@dcs_one]

Will check it out!

[@stevewaterboy4376]

Dont worry about the modules breaking its DCS that brakes after each and every update theres too many people who dont listen and are useless at programming there is a serious memory leak problem groups are not deactivating and living on in a zombie state untill DCS grinds to a halt with a blue screen of death , the DCS TRAINS are a prime example a guy got the trains working great but was ignored and laughed at and now the trains are completly ruined and unusable after the Sept 2024 update. Dont Torture Yourself trying to make any sense of the DCS forum Save your money or jump ship to IL2

[@dcs_one]

Not buying a new module for a while now

[@Landi102]

How can i make the refund?

[@dcs_one]

I am not sure if it is still available but you can try by submitting a support ticket in the DCS website.

[@Landi102]

@@dcs_one thanks

[@TheStrategos]

Yes. This is clearly some $$$$ thing. They can sort it.

[@dcs_one]

They have to

[@TheStrategos]

@@dcs_one With the rumours swirling I'm starting to wonder if Razbam were doing an F-15 standalone with Microprose and ED don't like it...

[@nickwanrooy6130]

Honestly ED and Razbam need to get it sorter out ASAP. It has taken way to long allready. They need to stop acting like little children and get their shit together. Also a more frequent update on the matter would be nice. As people have spend their hard earned cash and time on these modules. So they deserve that much

[@dcs_one]

We deserve it but legal proceedings can be complicated and time consuming.

[@TomP-148]

ok

[@dcs_one]

It will be okay

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

If these modules break and you dont get a refund it is fraud and you can ask consumer protection to force them to refund it for you

[@dcs_one]

I think it is not that simple with digital products

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

@@dcs_one maybe not but they did it with tarkov i think. consumer protection forced a lot of refunds

[@limeacid]

Still waiting mig-23 mla 😢

[@dcs_one]

Would be sad for it to cease to exist

[@I___Jackal___I]

Why this clickbait video? Let them fix the situation and fly the modules. Would I buy another Razbam module anytime soon? Probably not, but I fly the ones I have. You don't add anything to the situation by doing this video. No news, no nothing. Not even educational. Just another vulture.

[@ComdrStew]

I doubt it is going to be fixed. The RAZBAM booth at TGS 2024 in Japan shows MicroProse logo.

[@dcs_one]

Oh wow, sounds like they are moving forward with the Microprose project then

[@PluckyUnderdog]

There is an English saying to describe how silly this stance is. It's called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' If you like and enjoy flying the Razbam modules in DCS, then you should just fly them, instead of indulging in some faux moral crusade. Leave the legal stuff to ED and Razbam.

[@dcs_one]

Fair enough

[@AggrarFarmer]

You wasted my time

[@dcs_one]

As did this comment

[@jesseblue1442]

RAZBAM, if you see this comment. Please port your aircraft to MSFS2020 or MSFS2024. We will buy it and support you. We love you RAZBAM!

[@dcs_one]

Weapons employment might not work but at least you would be able to fly the aircraft

[@joshuadavis862]

Hey everyone Jesus saves accept him as your savior today and repent if you haven't already he's coming back soon be ready. Jesus Christ is Lord.

[@Kdschaak]

Oh god. Another one of these. Who cares what modules you play or not. Or your reasoning why or why not. This is a dead horse that has been beaten to a pulp.

[@dcs_one]

Oh god, another one of these comments. This has been beaten to a pulp.

[@vimfuego8827]

Your video is showing a great deal of ignorance. It's only the F15E that is affected in DCS. The other Razbam modules were considered feature complete by Razbam so no big issue. The South Atlantic map is unaffected as it wasn't a Razbam developed module. So, the Razbam/ ED dispute affects ONE module, why are you putting anything on the shelf? It's only you that is missing out for whatever reason !

[@dcs_one]

Have you not been following along? The M2K broke within the first month, the Harrier has also gotten buggy recently. Don’t call me ignorant

[@virtualcarrierwing3429]

Never did like Razban. All started when I purchased aircraft with P3D. Thought they would be different with DCS. Unfortunately, my feelings have not changed.

[@dcs_one]

I feel that the Harrier is pretty good, I am interested in what Razbam has done in DCS and other sims, seems to be a common hate for them

[@Not-today-wb9do]

AV8 B is a finished product an there's no reason whatsoever to even mention it , this video screams scraping the barrel for content well be calling you spud docker soon

[@dcs_one]

Well i don't expect this video to perform well, I am just sharing my thoughts. AV-8B might be okay now but if it breaks then there is no one to fix it currently

[@rain3422]

You're not looking at the full picture, just because its a finished product doesn't mean that it cant break, we seen this with the M2000C's Fly-by-wire system that got broken due to a ED patch.

[@marc-kevinquintin7574]

The Harrier is a finished product, the DCS platform is an evolving product... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that at some point, the harrier is going to break and no one will be there to fix it.

[@Not-today-wb9do]

utter rubbish' no-one can fix it, a community member fixed the F-15E radar not because he was paid but because he got sick of waiting for someone else to do it .