Why Mary-Jane Watson is ALWAYS Terribly Adapted

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Okay so a good friend of mine has let me know that MJ already KNEW Peter was Spider-Man before they even met through a story called “Parallel Lives”. Never read it before now, but it adds a lot of depth to her character and the story of Peter and MJ. So I just wanna correct that part of the video when going over her backstory 👍

[@TillmanStudios]

You didn't know that?

[@MysticalGreenBeanie]

You can check out that issue online, or in the Birth of Venom graphic novel collection. It's a great read if you choose to pick it up.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

@@TillmanStudios No.

[@TillmanStudios]

@@LewisFilmsProductions Shocking, you should definitely try to find it, it's a great read.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Cool

[@ahmadkhalaf8952]

MJ actually wasn’t an only child. She had a sister named Gayle that she abandoned after their mother died. Other than that I appreciate this video

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Damn never knew. The more you know

[@ahmadkhalaf8952]

@@LewisFilmsProductions You should probably read The Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives. It summarizes MJ's story well if you haven't read Tom DeFalco's ASM run

[@dylanshorrorchannel1378]

But guess who always will be an only child? Peter Parker!!

[@s.nifrum4580]

@@dylanshorrorchannel1378 Nope, Teresa Parker, born while Richard and Mary Parker were staying in Algeria, they died before they could bring her home The stories surrounding her get a bit convoluted at times but her dynamic with peter is pretty sweet

[@Ballsexpuncher]

finally someone speaks out for Mary Jane's characterization in the adaptations.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

XD

[@INFERNO95]

Too bad he didn't do a better job of it.

[@yasianproductiontales8640]

I agree with you. Honestly I think they did it to “make her more useful” because some people just didn’t see her as a real character.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Yeah I don't get that but I like her better the way she is now

[@Tyler_W]

She's only the biggest emotional anchor and load bearing support of his entire life. Nothing useful to see, there!

[@SuperBatSpider]

The way I see her, Mary Jane’s primary traits are being different than she seems at first, actively pursuing Peter, and self esteem issues. Absolutely anything else can change. But she needs these three things.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Agreed

[@SuperBatSpider]

@@LewisFilmsProductions I don’t care if she’s a party girl or not, she just needs SOME kind of facade.

[@godspeedredeicieli4384]

@@SuperBatSpiderMCU lowkey did it right with the emo facade and spectacular alongside the 90’s one

[@ravenouspuncher]

@@godspeedredeicieli4384 no it didnt. Mcu mj watson is the worst iteration of mj

[@Step43099]

@@ravenouspunchernot when the toxic Raimi MJ is around. After growing up I can’t stand her character in the Raimi trilogy

[@XwoooahX]

Mary Jane was actually not an only child, she had a sister, Gayle. Read ASM #259 for her backstory.

[@thebluewind5733]

He probably forgot because Gayle just disappears after her few appearances.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Really!

[@dylanshorrorchannel1378]

Who cares? Peter Parker is an only child

[@INFERNO95]

@dylanshorrorchannel1378 He has a sister too.

[@dylanshorrorchannel1378]

@@INFERNO95 No he doesn’t that was some stupid modern retcon from one comic! Peter Parker has always been an only child

[@AnglesSol]

I do agree, Mary Jane is a character who hasn’t been very well adapted. The closest (as of now) I think is Spectacular with her more care free attitude but also tries to relate to others and seems to have some suspicions of Peter. Raimi’s version is more telenovela and very dramatic ( María Juana if you will) while the others are more like Lois Lane (even the 2017 show had a bit of tomboy energy in her).

[@INFERNO95]

The 90 toon was the closest and best Spectacular was just fanservice no development. Stop whit the damn lieing.

[@AnglesSol]

@@INFERNO95 Sorry, haven´t watched the 90's show, so it was the closest example I could give from my own experience.

[@aegisring]

Lois lane isn't a tomboy though

[@AnglesSol]

She kinda is in the new Superman show but mistake on my end, more like they changed MJ to be more tomboyish in Spider-man 2017 (Lois point being set aside).

[@MysticalGreenBeanie]

Reporter MJ comes from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics by Bendis and Bagley. She takes an interest in Midtown High's journalism club, and after she and Peter have a nuclear breakup after the Ultimatum event, she throws herself into journalism 100%. Also, she works under that Universe's version of Jessica Jones, who is a senior at the school who figures out that Spider-Man has to be one of their classmates.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Yeah, which is fine! In fact the ultimate comics are my favourite Spider-Man comics of all time. But the journalism was a very very niche sideplot. What made her Mary-Jane wasnt to dissimilar to what made the character who she was from the 616 comics. The issue is, is when the journalist trait becomes the main trait, and dictates her whole character from there

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

That might be the key right there outside of the 90s cartoon ppl taking more inspiration from ultimate universe then the original 616 hell the MCU as a whole is inspired from ultimate universe then 616

[@siva2879]

Just once I wish we could have gotten one accurate adaptation for her and it's crazy that it hasn't happened with all the spider-man content there is on the mainstream. Spectacular was literally there with the potential for the perfect MJ but that got cancelled on some bs. It honestly feels like there is some higher force at work preventing the perfect MJ from being adapted from start to finish. I like PS4 MJ and I don't mind the MCU MJ, but they don't satisfy what I wanted from the character in a faithful manner. PS4 MJ gets the criticism of being a Lois Lane ripoff which makes sense and MCU MJ is just a different character entirely. I just need one good comic adaptation.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

I wouldn't say theres any higher force but it is strange we've never had a VERY accurate adaptation that didn't get canned

[@INFERNO95]

90 cartoon was the perfect version of the comic MJ. One in Spectacular was just fanservice. Stop hating the 90s toon give it the damn credit it deserves for once.

[@paulf631]

I think it's because of the raimi films Most people tends to dislike That interpretation of MJ so in order to Avoid that they have to make her a Louis lane copy just to make her more likeble and not the proper Mary Jane Watson

[@jayheadley8061]

Wasn't MJ a reporter in the Ultimate Spider-man Comics as well, the later ones? Which was what I assumed inspired the TV Show one and Insomnia's MJ.

[@celestialsoldier622]

They do it because they have no idea how to involve a girlfriend in the plot without being Lois Lane. THey turned Iris West to Lois in The Flash and Karen page into Lois in Daredevil. This is the only way lazy writers can think to include girlfriends in the story by making them investigate the same crimes as the hero. It's sad how incompetent they are. Another reason is they wanted the go the female empowerment route, that she's just as useful as Spider-man and not a Damsel or someone who waits at home because "sexism." And they don't find being a model or movie star impowering enough hence getting rid of that job and making her a 6/10 instead of a 10/10.

[@paulf631]

@@celestialsoldier622 Truer words have never been spoken

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@jayheadley8061Exactly. To me Insomniac MJ is basically Ultimate Comics MJ if we got to see her a few years later. She's definitely a comic accurate adaptation. It's just that people only compare her to 616, and tend to forget about how the Ultimate comics have influenced adaptations.

[@jayheadley8061]

@@DevilHunter1994 Thought so.

[@mayotango1317]

Ironically the best adaptation of Mary Jane is called "Lana Lang" from Superman TAS.

[@INFERNO95]

This is the stupidest thing I ever read.

[@INFERNO95]

The 90s toon was the best. Treated like a character instead of a fanservice love interest like in other toons and movies. Had a abusive past, had a abusive relationship whit guy who would become a Spiderman villain, play a roll in defeating that villain too, had trust issues due to those bad relationships, had a sense of humor etc... She was well written character and the best version of MJ outside the comics. Ultimate Spiderman ruined everything. By that way she has a sister.

[@earldayrit8588]

I don’t know if this helps Insomniac MJ’s case, but I just wanted to point out the game gave us hints of her bad relationship with her father through extra lines of dialogue during her missions. She seems to share the same childhood trauma as 616 MJ. But most of her characterisation is based off Ultimate comics MJ: her childhood/teen-hood relationship with Peter and her pursuit into journalism.

[@anythingstarwarsandmarvel1352]

I totally agree, MJ in the Insomniac Spider-Man games doesn't feel like MJ at all, heck MJ doesn't even feel like MJ in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies nor in the animated Ultimate Spider-Man show. MJ in the comics is a party girl who had a terrible father growing up, for my Spider-Man series I would absolutely love to adapt the comic version of MJ, the one I fell in love with

[@billmcdermott9647]

I’ve heard it said that Rami basically swapped MJ and Gwen around with MJ with MJ basically having Gwen personally while Gwen basically got MJ being a model and far more bubbly

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

I agree!

[@DevilHunter1994]

She actually is pretty accurate to the comics, just not the comics most people immediately think of. She's more based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics interpretation of MJ from the early 2000s and 2010s. So insomniac MJ is true to the character. The catch is that it's not the 616 version of the character.

[@jacobrivera1721]

For real I would’ve adapted the comic 616 mj

[@INFERNO95]

Then watch the 90s cartoon.

[@Tyler_W]

"A perfect Mary Jane adaptation doesn't exi..." Spectacular Spider-Man MJ enters the chat:

[@thebluewind5733]

I feel that it's not just the Rami MJ that's generally hurts the character but a lot to do with most writers not wanting to do the full research to accurately portray Mary Jane's characteristics and personality. Even Marvel at this point today gets her completely wrong because of OMD and we seem to not get classic MJ what so ever. Heck they don't even want actual Spider-Man fans to actually fix the issues with the characters and keep shaking up like it's no tomorrow, just to keep Peter Parker suffering. Though I'm hugely skeptical,I genuinely hope they find someone who can adapt the classic MJ in some way in both movies and comics.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Yeah. And Wells writes alot of his stuff based on mainstream archetypes of the characters. So MJ is basically Raimi MJ with extra bagage at this point

[@thebluewind5733]

@@LewisFilmsProductions I definitely agree, and it sucks.

[@playcoarmboy1836]

i actuelly really liked her in the spectaculair spiderman,i also liked the mcu's version of mj

[@godspeedredeicieli4384]

Spectacular Spider-Man had to be the best adaptation, it was just cancelled

[@spider-man500]

MCU MJ is not even Mary Jane Watson.

[@INFERNO95]

@godspeedredeicieli4384 Wrong. The best version is 90 cartoon what development and her abuse past whit her father. Spectacular was too focused on fanservice they didn't even bother to show her abusive past. Y'all need to stop whit overrated this Spiderman cartoon it not great and the characters are not interesting.

[@playcoarmboy1836]

@@INFERNO95 spectacular spider man is easily the best adaptation of spiderman in my opinion,the story the characters the villains, Peter trying to balance his double life it's just great, I adore spectacular spider man it is the best version of spiderman in my opinion

[@aegisring]

​@@INFERNO9590's mj? Didn't she jump off of a building with no prior explanation right after peter proposed? Woman was crazy, and she was made out of water

[@TevyaSmolka]

MJ in my personal opinion is my all time favorite love interest in comics and seeing her adapted badly keeps driving my crazy however we did get some good stuff within Spectacular Spider-Man series with her in that show which I thought was fantastic in my opinion, same goes with across the Spider-verse which I also thought did Mary jane justice with her and peter Parker Spider-Man being great parents to there daughter mayday parker spider-girl which i thought was fantastic at least in my opinion.

[@INFERNO95]

Spectacular version was just fanservice whit no development nothing interesting. The 90 toon was the a character whit development and flaws that made her relatable. They don't even say anything about her abusive dad in Spectacular. So how the hell can you say she was closer whitup them bringing up her past? Just stop.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@INFERNO95 fair enough

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@INFERNO95 The only reason she wasn't developed in Spectacular is because the show was canceled before they could go more in depth with her character. Still, the building blocks for her character, and later development were all there. She appeared as just the pretty party girl at first, but it became clear very quickly that she has a heart of gold, and cares very deeply about the people in her life. It was also shown in season 2 when she met Liz's brother that, despite her resistance, she actually is capable of seriously falling in love, and that scares her. We didn't get to learn why she is resistant to love yet, because again the show got canceled, but it's clear the creators behind the show knew where they were going with this character, and had a deep love and understanding for the world of Spider-Man as a whole. According to Greg Weisman, had they gotten the chance to finish what they were planning, we would have gotten a 5 season show and multiple movies, that took Peter all the way through high school, college, and eventually his marriage to Mary Jane. Spectacular was really shaping up to be something truly special, and I will always be saddened by the fact that we never got to see it completed.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@INFERNO95 How crapped in your cornflakes?

[@fairamano4657]

My main issue normally stems from the fact every or most adaptations skip Gwen. The ONLY one to do it right was Spectacular. Peter went from Liz to Gwen, while having MJ be the party girl, while still being friends with Peter. By how it was written, you can totally sense the death of Gwen at some point and MJ being a support beam for Peter, and likely abandoning the party persona.

[@kainscion9085]

I felt the same way when my brother recently played the game and I walked into the scene where she said something about getting tired of always being saved and wanting to do the saving. Lol, not only did this sound odd, but it sounded NOTHING like MJ. I think they're missing what actually made Mary Jane so special, and it's really doing a disservice to her character.

[@cole6843]

She's so annoying in insomniacs spiderman. STOP RESCUING ME STOP SAVING ME IM NOT A CHILD! Well then Stop getting in trouble!

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

I think the problem is that like it was stated by someone, don't remember who, it would be "unrealistic" of someone like Mary Jane end up with Peter, and a lot of people seems to agree, even though you see couples that are like Peter and Mary Jane. They are from different worlds, but at the same time there is something that connects them, blossoming a bond they'll carry for the rest of their lives.

[@AccountNumb]

“It would be “unrealistic” for someone like Mary Jane to be end up with peter” not at all them coming together makes perfect sense

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

@@AccountNumb exactly, but a lot of people, wrongly think that just because Mary Jane became a super model she would never date Peter

[@TheBlackOtaku]

Let’s be honest marvel hates Mary Jane and prefer Gwen Stacy 😑

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

It seems that way

[@s.nifrum4580]

Well if I ever do my own fan made adaptation series taking inspiration from everything that came before I’m gonna have my work cut out for me that’s for damn sure

[@JCardo2502]

I just want a Spiderman show with a focus on Peter and MJ’s relationship

[@velociraptor4you3291]

IMHO, while I *don't* hate Kirsten Dunst's MJ from the Raimi trilogy, Vanessa Marshall's MJ from "The Spectacular Spider-Man" animated series is... *Chef's kiss* ...PEAK Mary Jane Watson! It's the one version of the character that I feel comes _close_ to her original comics counterpart by portraying her as a gorgeous, charismatic, party-going firecracker.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Who is your favourite adaptation of Mary-Jane and WHY?

[@daviddyster4145]

My MJ is from Spectacular Spider-Man, she is way more close to her Earth 616 counterpart.

[@jayheadley8061]

Definitely Spectacular's MJ. I personally think that the personality they've given her was alot similar to the OG Comics but modernised? Maybe if this show wasn't cancelled, we would have gotten a full on comic accurate Mary Jane.

[@paulf631]

94 Animated series Ultimate universe mj and 616 mj

[@daviddyster4145]

@@jayheadley8061 True Personally, I blame all this on Joe Quesada and Disney.

[@ethandoyle4978]

Marvels Spider-Man ps; Mj And not to sound rude but I personally don’t care that she doesn’t have the same original comic book traits , she s still an important character in the lore and in a way is equal to Peter in always wanting to help others .

[@2MC2L]

Ranking of MJ 1. Comic MJ 2. Rami MJ

[@TheEmeraldSword86]

Lewis, I absolutely agree with you on keeping the main character traits in the character. I don't read comics, unfortunately, but I do read other books. I've seen several adaptations of those books. Some get the characters and stories down near-perfectly, and the others don't do it for me. Basically, I fully understand why you'd like to see comic-accurate MJ. I will say, though, even though I do like source material accuracy, I do like the reporter MJ. I think it's interesting and isn't completely out of place. What about you? Do you agree with me? I'd love to know.

[@Chilick]

SSM and the 90s show have the best adaptations of MJ

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Agreed

[@spider-man500]

​@darkile5459 that was basically what Sam Raimi’s intended version of Spider-Man 3 was about. No Venom and anything that came with him. Sandman was the main villain with Harry(I think) only turning into New Goblin at the end or not at all.

[@RedSpectre]

I do believe the reporter MJ originated in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. Also, fun fact: In the MTV Spider-Man series, MJ mentioned to Indy that she almost majored in journalism. Waaaaay before the Ultimate comics or series.

[@CoolMan1_SonicAndOtherStuff]

I agree with what you said about them not changing the core things about a character, that's important, but I personally love adaptations too! I know this isn't spiderman related, but I once wrote my own live action ben 10 fan fiction, where I made my own story, while still having it feel like the ben 10 everyone knows and loves. But anyways, going back to spider-man, I personally don't mind all the changes mj went through. I personally think she doesn't always have to be that same character she was in the comics. Because not everyone has grown up with and read the comics. That's why I appreciate adaptations like raimi mj and mcu mj.

[@ionasappy2732]

Its kinda frustrating as a fan since you compare her to other female characters from comics adapted in different and they're overall the same? Selina- elegant but gritty, smart, a little amoral, always a cat thief Lois Lane- tough, determined, blunt, always a reporter (i can really only think one "bad" version of Lois) Harley - Quirky, eccentric, may have a secret side, always clowns and psychology Wonder Woman- brave, honorable, always an amazon But it's MJ the one who gets changed from her cool origins to a toxic moody version in the Raimi, to a Lois Lane ripoff, to a Daria knockoff.

[@drfifteenmd7561]

All of those examples are DC, which has a better track record of keeping character consistency than Marvel.

[@roboticcynic580]

The journalism Mary Jane sounds like Betty Brant character in the Spider-Man books.

[@puffpuffpassmako]

Imo the overlooked Spiderman Unlimited series has the perfect Mary Jane, even though she only has 30 seconds of screen time. She sees Peter battered and bruised when be arrives at the doorstep, and she doesn't chastise him or yell at him. She embraces him and has him tell her what happened. They sit on the couch and he talks about how he quit being spider man. MJ then talks him into not giving up and telling him everything is okay. And just like that, MJ was perfected in her one and only scene. She was perfectly captured as Peter's rock whenever he thinks of giving up or is having a bad day

[@ravenouspuncher]

A villains video next pls ?. What villains SHOULD be in the next mcu trilogy . I am gonna be pissed if we dont get rhino , hydro man , carnage and maybe jackal. Sam and Shuri in the same time have /are going to faced/face namor and red hulk , both of whom can one shot all the no way home miscreants. So I dont see why marvel and sony should hold back on these powerhouse villains for tom holland.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

I agree. The only issue here is there isn't much of a topic of conversation. I need a debating point that suggests we won't get these characters becuase personally I competely agree with you. I believe there will be some power scaling and they will introduce some harder villains for him to face as the trilogy goes on. Nice suggestion tho! Maybe a member video might come soon discussing some of my favourites!

[@dylansearcy3966]

Mary Jane isnt always terribly adapted. She’s been adapted to fit the role of the character in the story

[@dylansearcy3966]

In marvel’s spider-man, peter Parker is already an adult not a teenager as often depicted. Characters can change just like people change as they grow up in real life. MJ may have been a party girl in the game when she was younger but shes now an adult like peter.

[@Nix-gz7pj]

@@dylansearcy3966being a party girl is a important part of the character. Saying she probably had all her character development and growth off screen kinda does make it a bad adaptation

[@dylansearcy3966]

@Nix-gz7pj gwen Stacy wasn't exactly the same character in every adaptation, and Mary Jane as a reporter in the game works

[@Nix-gz7pj]

@@dylansearcy3966 what does Gwen have to do with it? Being a reporter and having Mj’s personality isn’t mutually exclusive. I don’t understand what people mean when they say “reporter works for the game” like we for some reason we can’t have both.

[@skyslasher2297]

I feel like insomniac mj gets to much hate what really matters is that she’s strong willed and she and Peter are better off together then apart.

[@michaeliv284]

I played the new game, she really made me hate her.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@michaeliv284 Huh?

[@michaeliv284]

@@dylansharp8471 Aside from the fact she held in resentment for Peter for practically being Spiderman, it was utter bullshit that she was able to outmanuver and even take down Kraven's goons (all trained by Kraven and claimed to be the best in the world), let alone Symbiotes.

[@turtlehd4557]

She even was pissed at Peter because of the symbiote that CONTROLLED HIM and he even needs to apologize that an alien made him.do things while Dr Goat Connors says thats not his fault

[@plaguedoctor4519]

I disagree. I find this MJ toxic for Peter. I feel like she tolerates him or at least appreciates him but I don't see how she loves him. She nags at him more than anything and it feels more forced really than natural, especially when they got back together

[@DevilHunter1994]

I feel like this argument completely overlooks the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. Insomniac MJ isn't like MJ if we only consider the 616 comics, but if we look at what Ultimate Spider-Man did with the character...it becomes VERY obvious where insomniac took their inspiration from. Ultimate MJ was friends with Peter, and Harry from an early age. Like her 616 counterpart, she had a terrible relationship with her father, but her friends made it easier for her to cope with her rocky home life. She had romantic feelings for Peter very early on in their lives, and while she tried dating other guys before realizing that Peter was interested in her, Peter was the only guy she was ever really serious about. She typically didn't go to parties, and wasn't associated with the popular group, because she saw how they bullied Peter, and thus she wanted nothing to do with them. Peter comes clean to her about his secret identity very early on in his career, leading to her becoming his confidant, as well as his girlfriend. She also develops an interest in news media, joins her school paper, and becomes more and more involved in news media during the later half of the book. Now to me, what I just described above pretty much sounds exactly like Insomniac MJ, right down to the detail about her joining the school paper in high school. They basically took Ultimate MJ straight off the page from the end of the Ultimate comics, and just aged her up a few years, so that she could be an adult with a career. Insomniac MJ is definitely MJ. She's just not 616 Amazing Spider-Man MJ. She's Ultimate MJ.

[@celestialsoldier622]

Maybe this lie work for those who believes a random youtube comments and take it as fact but for someone who has read the Ultimate Comics this is BS. Insomniac MJ is a self centered narcissist who disrpects and insults Peter, and a glory hound. She broke up with Peter for calling out her terrible and irresponsible behavior.1610 MJ actually cared about Peter and supported him and understood when she can't put herself in danger and wasn't trying to break into the most dangerous places in the world to prove shes useful.

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@celestialsoldier622 She broke up with Peter because Peter was so overprotective that he literally would not let her do her job. They go into more detail about this in the official prequel novel, but it got to the point where he didn't want her attending scheduled interviews, if those interviews were with people he didn't trust. She got into journalism because she wanted to use it to make a difference and expose the evils of the city. Peter was aware of this, but he still forbade her from doing any high profile crime related stories. I get why he would worry, but that's just straight up unreasonable. This is also why she develops the need to prove herself in the game. She feels like if she doesn't, then Peter will just keep holding her hand and not let her do anything meaningful on her own. Unfortunately, she can sometimes go too far and overestimate herself. This character flaw about not understanding her own limits is something that she spends the whole game working through, and by the end, she has grown past it, allowing her and Peter to become better partners. She is now more willing to ask for help when it's clear she needs it, and Peter is no longer so overprotective that his protectiveness becomes stifling. Also, MJ is supportive of Peter in the game like 90% of the time. I think they have like 3 actual fights over the course of the entire game and it's DLC. In fact, it may even be less than that. She got angry when Peter followed her without permission, and screwed up her interview with Charles Standish. This eventually causes her to make a mistake when she goes to Grand Central Station without informing Peter about it. She later apologizes for this, and admits she screwed up. She also got a bit angry when she found out that Black Cat might be the mother of Peter's child, but she also apologized for that later, admitting that she overreacted and wasn't being fair. Outside of those instances, she's always supportive of what Peter's doing. She talks him through things when he's going through a rough time, is always looking for leads to help him out on his assignments, and regularly jokes around with him when on call, or together at her apartment. I have read the Ultimate Comics by the way. I actually read through them shortly after completing a playthrough of Spider-Man Remastered. That's why it was so easy for me to notice The connections between insomniac MJ and Ultimate MJ. Both were very fresh in my mind at the time.

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@DevilHunter1994 "Overprotective" 'Not do her job" I'm sorry. In what reality is telling your girlfriend to stop breaking into military bases and Gang hideouts is overprotective? Think about that for a second. She was breaking in the most dangerous places in the world. A place will they kill you when they see you. She had no training or ability to defend herself. She survived purely on luck and nothing else. But you somehow let this game convince you that Peter is in the wrong here? SMH. "MJ got angry when Peter followed her without permission," Wrong. Peter called MJ and she told him where she was and he told her to wait but she went in anyways. Knowing that she's breaking in a high risk place Peter goes to save her. Charles was pointing a Gun a MJ the whole time. Dude could've accidently or willfully shot her, Peter did the right thing. That's her fault for not waiting for Peter. Not telling Peter about a terrorist attack because of her Ego is not a mistake. It's a completely amoral action. If her actions are a mistake then so is Doc Ock. She needs way more then a "sorry" for such a terrible act. MJ says people wearing masks (Peter) is playing dress up and not taking reasonability for their actions. Tells Peter she has more reason to be at a crime scene then he does, (She doesn't.) and refuses to listen to Peter about putting herself in danger. She's admits to doing these things because she wants to feel useful because she got tired of being saved. She's doing this stuff for her Ego, not good deed. So i wouldn't call he supportive, but more so envious of Peter. Ultimate MJ never did anything out of ego, hurt pride and wanting to prove she's as useful as Peter.

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@celestialsoldier622 Okay first, about the Sable camp, you do realize that Sable never once actually shoots a civilian in the game...right? Sure they hold people in confinement, and sometimes even hold property, but they do not just murder civilians. They are a hired military police force, not a completely unhinged death squad. So MJ didn't actually need Peter watching her the whole time. Had Peter not let his worry get the best of him, he would have been able to realize this. Letting his fear overpower his judgement was his mistake. Now, I'll admit, MJ probably should have taken Peter's worrying into account, given how well they know each other. She should have realized that of course Peter was going to worry, and she should have found a way to stay in contact with him throughout her infiltration so that he would have less reason to worry. Not thinking that through was her mistake in this whole mess. So they both screwed up. At the end of the day though, my point is Peter didn't actually need to be there. MJ didn't expect him to be there. They never agreed to meet there. She expected him to keep doing his thing, while she was over there doing her thing,. Then they would talk later, and compare notes. Until Peter showed up, she was handling herself well. She had even managed to calm Standish down, and he was giving her the info she needed. Peter is the one who made the choice to go there unprompted. If he literally just had a bit more faith in her, and waited just a few more minutes before swinging over in a panic, she would have gotten the info, and reported back to him with no issue. So they both messed up here. The worst that would have happened to MJ even if she had gotten caught is that she would have been thrown in a cell with Anti-Sable protestors, and later questioned about what she was doing there. Even if they didn't let her out, Peter could have easily gone to her rescue a few hours later, and THEN given her the "I told you so" speech. They would never have shot her. This is later proven during the Osborn Penthouse infiltration, where Sable has her in their sights toward the end of the mission, and they have the perfect opprotunity to take a shot, but they NEVER shoot her. They want to take her into custody, not kill her. Her being completely unarmed during the Sable Camp infiltration would actually make it even HARDER for them to justify pulling the trigger. Remember that they're hired by Osborn, who is running for re-election. Do you really think he's going to let his hired guns fire on civilians? No. Absolutely not. That would be a political and public safety shit storm just waiting to happen, especially if it turned out that the person killed was a member of the press. The Daily Bugle would be out for blood, breathing down his neck looking for answers. He absolutely would not want that, and Sable has unique high tech weapons, so it would be impossible to cover up their involvement in the shooting. Sable shooting MJ creates a TON of trouble for Osborn, and the last thing Sable would want to do is piss off the guy who is signing their paychecks. I'll admit that sneaking into Tombstone's hideout by herself was dumb. Unlike Sable, THOSE guys actually would have killed her. MJ was taking a needless risk there, so Peter's fears regarding her safety are by no means groundless. Here's the thing though. At the time of their breakup before the game started...MJ hadn't done anything like that. Literally all she had done in the prequel novel leading up to the game is agree to interview Wilson Fisk, and also attend an official event hosted by Fisk and Osborn. That is it. She was just doing standard reporter things, and Peter was freaking the hell out. He was being overprotective, and this overprotectiveness is what caused MJ to develop this need to prove herself. She thought that proving herself by taking on more dangerous tasks was the only way to get Peter to realize that she could handle herself. She was wrong, but again, realizing that is part of her character arc throughout the game. Also, the prequel novel explains that MJ does know self defense. She won't be fighting Scorpion or Rhino anytime soon, but she can handle herself against regular crooks when she has to. She didn't know that there was going to be a terrorist attack. All that she knew was that the Demons were interested in something at Grand Centeral Station. That could mean they planned an attack...or, that could mean they had something stored there that was vital to their plans, and they were going to pick it up at some point. MJ didn't know what was going to happen there, or when, because Standish had been knocked out before he could reveal more. Her plan was to investigate, and call Peter when she had learned more. This was a mistake on her part, but she wasn't acting with malicious intent. She made a bad call, immediately called Peter when she realized that she made a bad call, then worked with Peter to help fix her mistake. She cannot be compared to Otto, someone who intentionally released a deadly virus over the city for the explicit purpose of making people sick. Also, about the whole crime Scene thing, she was clearly just messing with him when she said that, which is why Peter didn't take offense to the comment. Instead he just followed up with some friendly banter of his own, because that's all it was...friendly banter. Just looking at it from a legal perspective though, MJ is an official member of the press. Peter is an unlicensed vigalalnte. So, in the eyes of the law...MJ actually does have more reason to be at a crime scene than Peter does. Peter is legally not supposed to be there. Members of the press are expected to be there. So if she wanted to seriously say that Peter had no business at a crime scene, she actually could say that, and techinically she would be correct. She didn't seriously say that though. She was joking, and Peter knew she was joking.

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@DevilHunter1994 The second you are caught its game over as she cowards in fears. She's dead. They don't shoot random people on the street, but those who break in their base? Clearly another story, these guys are evil. These are the same people who you admit created a police state, attack and imprison innocent people, while they and their boss Silver has tried to delete Spider-man on site all throughout the game. But yeah, his worry is unwarranted right? Do you see what you're saying? She had it under control? Peter should've waited? God bro. Every MJ defending are all smoking gasoline. Charlies had GUN pointed at her the WHOLE TIME. Why would Peter wait and trust her to save with a gun pointed at her. That's when she least safe. Just accept that she was in the wrong here instead of calling Peter the bad one from removing the gun from her face. Only reason they didn't shoot MJ in the Penthouses is because Sable was there. Like i said, in game when you're caught you get a about to D**th screen instead, "Put your hands up" and you surrender scene. Furthermore, if she's caught she's going to jail for the crime of breaking into places illegally. Yeah, they care about press right? That's why they're trying to delete Spider-man actively oppressing and arresting beating the whole city. But deleting a random women who broke into their base? That's to far for them. Sure bro. I don't care about the Prequal Novel that came out after the fact that always tries to fixes things the main canon messed up. I'm using only the game and what was said in there. In the game, MJ said Peter saving her from having a gun pointed at her and telling her not to break in bases of Miliary is why they broke up, not because she did reporting. MJ self defence only exists in the Novel. This very fact is proven in MJs first scene where a Demon captures her an she is completely unable to defend or project herself, if Peter hadn't came in time she would've been a goner.. Again, Novels don't since it contradicts the game. Again, with the clown arguments "She didn't know there was going to be an attack" SHE knew That the Demons were going to a Train station and not only didn't tell Peter but not even the police. She even thought about calling Peter then so no because of her Ego. That's like saying "I know ISIS is going to a Baseball game but let me check it out myself because they might just be there for the Hotdogs" Any Moral person would report this to anyone who would listen. I'm not saying MJ is bad as ock, I said if such an amoral action of letting innocent people be put in danger because of your ego is a mistake then Ocks actions are just a mistake. People jokes because Insomniac Peter never defends or or stands up for himself. He takes all the abuse MJ throws his way like the absolute loser he is. Press don't need to be anywhere. Peter is there to save lives, MJ is there to get info. Something Peter could do on his own. And it's not a joke because MJ actually believes her work is just as important as what Peter does. It's all about proving she's as good as Spiderman as she herself said. Made this comment last night but notice today it didn't show up. Completely forgot about KZbins dumb rules about saying words about not being alive.

[@NoName-ym5zj]

Your channel is a godsend. MJ is so much more interesting and complex than Marvel's Spider-man Lois Lane adaptation.

[@ghostspider2056]

In fairness, the Ultimate Spider-Man show stayed clear of any romance or dating subplots especially domestic abuse as it was for a younger audience. MJ being a journalist actually came from the Ultimate Comics which the show was partially adapted.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

To be fair, you do make a good point. I’d argue that the comics did keep what made MaryJane herself intact, but like you mentioned the show was for kids so… yeah kinda difficult there

[@MarvinPowell1]

Despite her beauty suggesting she's kind and wholesome on the outside, in reality, MJ is kind of a party girl, street smart with a tough attitude, and the type of girl to date bad boys and rich guys because of her rough upbringing with her abusive father. But deep down inside, she's a vulnerable, wounded person, looking for love and kindness - the type Peter Parker later gives her - but doesn't know how to accept it, yet. She later mellows out in her mid to late 20s, but between 17 and 22, this is her character. They seem like total opposites at first. But deep down inside, are similar people who had rough childhoods filled with pain. That's truly how their dynamic works in the comics after the death of Gwen Stacey. MJ's social confidence and her seemingly the "dominant" one in their relationship, while Peter comes off as the nerdy, meekish one, even though in reality he's Spider-Man.

[@wheattoast1971]

I do agree with this, but I’m pretty sure Insomniac MJ is based on the Ultimate universe comics where she is also a reporter. MJ does reference her dad in the game

[@dylanlightning9928]

You have to remember many of those adaptations are established adaptations meaning they have developed throughout the universe. That means she possibly could’ve just changed as a people do. In marvels spider-man Mj has had 8 years to progress as a person and I believe she did and has developed a different mindset/personality.

[@elmo_096]

But, you missed the Spectacular version, the Ultimate Spiderman comics version, like, I agree with you, but the reporter phase started after Peter's death in Ultimate Comics, yet, it was a little more angsty and edgy...

[@batmanultra7]

MJ in Ultimate Spider-Man probably wasn't criticized because she's barely a character in the show.

[@TheDarioushurt]

dude see a girl with red hair and say the hair is not red are you people colorblind?

[@TillmanStudios]

Adaptations are so bad of MJ, and I don't know why, is it that hard to make a deep female character with a tragic backstory?

[@ricksanchezdeluniversoc1379]

Zendaya is one of the worst things to ever happen... yeah in general

[@anythingstarwarsandmarvel1352]

MJ within the MCU isn't even Mary Jane Watson, its Michelle Jones

[@quentinwright8356]

Cap !

[@ravenouspuncher]

@@quentinwright8356 facts lol.

[@ravenouspuncher]

I so agree. She has range whatsoever. She can only display that depressed tomboy attitude . Thats it. She isnt expressive at all.

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@anythingstarwarsandmarvel1352 Zendaya stated she's Mary Jane in interviews. Even called her Watson in NWH.

[@celestialsoldier622]

Going have to disagree about what is Peter's core traits. But lets say that the Great power is his core trait. Tom Holland in no embodies it. In Civil War yes, but was retconned in his own movies. Homecoming was all about him just being a hero because 'why not? And to impress and be like Tony. Not some sense of responsibility. In FFH he actively tried to ignore being a hero. He was going to quit for a while jus to ask MJ out on a date, that's it. When he heard the world could end he basically said "I Miss the part where that's my problem." and was said Nick Fury forced him to help save the world and tried everything he could to avoid doing it for his personal life. So not only is he Ironboy Jr he also doesn't have the great power line motiving him. Ultimate Spider-man Cartton is more of Spider-man that Tom. And Great power isn't a core Spider-man trait on its on. Every Hero lives by that, Spider-man just made it apart of his brand. Just how most heroes don't kill yet Batman made it apart of his brand . That alone isn't what defines the characters, their motives, Origins, and personality is what makes the character, their Brands is just the icing on top. This is why Tobey's portrayal of being meek loser with no confidence or PS4 Peter being this super happy clown with no backbone shows they don't understand nor care to understand the character. Peter himself hasn't been adapted right character wise since Spider-man Edge of Time, so why would MJ be any different? Spider-man fans always comes up with excuses to defend these out of character portrayals with "It's an adaption." therefore the writers can get away with it. Superman fans on the other hand will only accept Superman being Superman as proven by Man of Steel. Don't get him right they will tell you hence the Snyder verse being canned. Spider-man fans will accept Kamala Klan as Spider-man (Tom Holland.) and say its fine. This is why Spider-man sucks today.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

It was very generic, but I'd also have to disagree. I think Peter's arc in the MCU trilogy defines his back and forth want and need with responsibility and him finally living the conequences after May's death. In terms of it being his core trait, I have to disagree too. I believe it is his core trait. If Peter doesn't have that, then is he really Spider-Man? That's the point I was getting at.

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@LewisFilmsProductions Yes, he's not Spider-man without it but, simply having it doesn't make him Spider-man. Like i said, Every hero believes the same thing, Spider-man idsdifferent because it also apart of his origin and Motive and development. Great Power without Uncle Ben's Death and the Guilt is just a saying. Tom Holland didn't have the Guilt and Drive to be responsible at the expense of his personal life and feelings. It wasn't his main motive to be a hero and make sacrifices that defines Spider-man. He was a hero because it was fun and he wanted to be Tony. The way he learns is with Aunt May death is wrong and backwards because him being responsible to help those villains is WHY she died. She died because he made the right choice. so it doesn't work. Tobey had all that i'm talking about which is why i tolerate his Spider-man but his Personality is so far removed from Peter from he Comics. What i hate the most about Tobey is that he created the misconception of what Peter Parker should be like. Edge of Time, spectacular Spider-man and Andrew Spider-man is what Peter should be like. I like Spider-man not only because of Great Power, but his personality as well. Without the personality he's just an OC pretending to be Spider-man.

[@GlxriLoves]

@@celestialsoldier622 I agree with most of your points but i have a question tho. I thought spidey always wanted to be a hero and looked up to the avengers and fantastic four while uncle ben was not talked about that much ever since his death in the comics that was based on 616??

[@celestialsoldier622]

@@GlxriLoves Peter only saw Superhero groups as a way to make money. When he couldn't he just insulted them or started a fight a left.

[@ravenouspuncher]

@@celestialsoldier622 Wtf r u babbling. Tom's spiderman was just a rich spoilt brat who didnt know the meaning of responsibility until nwh. He just acted on feelings and his whole personal was dependent on tony stark's approval. Having the guilt is LITERALLY what makes spiderman .

[@ykarus9343]

Spectacular Spider-Man Mary Jane is amazing!

[@sopebarrofficial3557]

I’d argue the PS4 Mary Jane is more like the Ultimate version of the character, but it would be nice to see another adaptation similar to the early comics or like the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series

[@INFERNO95]

Spectacular was just fanservice whit no development.

[@ark_awaits3367]

​@@INFERNO95Could you expand on that??

[@spider-423]

I will say this lewis at least for me my favorite version of mary jane, is the 97 version along with the ultimate spider-man comic's an spectacular spiderman cartoon series and ultimate spider-man cartoon series.

[@Dragon.um5tz]

This is why I like MCU MJ because she actually does care about Peter in that universe

[@INFERNO95]

So all of sudden the MJ in other universe didn't care about Peter? MCU didn't like Peter it was manufactured in the sequel just for plot reasons.

[@Dragon.um5tz]

@@INFERNO95 not all of them just the Sam rami ones

[@kidanarchy2105]

I was literally working on a video essay titled "The Lois Lane-ification of MJ". Guess I can cross that off the list now.

[@INFERNO95]

Still do it. Everyone not gonna watch the video.

[@JeremiahOShaughnessy]

You know, I hate it when people just don't let the characters come to life or they just force these characters become these toxic people who are too perfect to fail.

[@thedarkroom6416]

I think people try to make Peter and mj not work and get into fights too much I do think it’s essential to have stuff like that but they keep doing it in the comics

[@eolan7567]

Whats the comic at 2:40

[@dylansearcy3966]

5:06 and Eddie Brock and jimmy Olsen

[@JimmyMorgan-ye5lr]

She the worst because of the writers try to ruined her i didn't even like sam raimi mj either

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Fairs

[@dylansearcy3966]

Mary Jane as jackpot doesnt have powers on her own but through a bracelet

[@RollTheBryce]

zendaya isn’t mary jane

[@JCardo2502]

MCU MJ is not Mary Jane, her name is Michelle Jones Williams, so she’s a new character that just happens to have the same initials Here’s my idea of how they can bring in the REAL MJ. After the events of No Way Home, Peter goes to college and he meets Harry Osborn who he befriends, Harry tells Peter about a girl in their class called Mary Jane, but that everyone calls her MJ and Peter meets her in some class and she would be played by Katherine McNamara, she’s just one year older than Tom Holland, so it could work perfectly well. MJ becomes interested in Peter and she goes to his college dorm room and she tells him her famous phrase “Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot”. Peter hangs out with MJ, but he constantly leaves her to fight whatever villain he has to fight and MJ believes that Peter has another girl or he doesn’t really like her for whatever reason, so one day she sees Peter running into an alleyway and he takes his shirt off revealing his new Spiderman costume which looks almost identical to the one he had in No Way Home except without the Stark Technology. MJ realizes Peter is Spiderman and she eventually tells him, Peter gets worried, but she swears his identity as Spiderman is safe with her. Eventually Peter has to fight the movie’s main Villain one last time and MJ tells him “go get’em tiger” and Peter goes to fight the villain, he wins after getting heavily injured, and he comes back to his dorm room where MJ is waiting for him. Peter tells her that his life was full of danger and he didn’t want to put her in harms way. MJ isn’t having any of it and she tells Peter she doesn’t care and that she wants to be his support always, she kisses Peter and that sets up Peter and MJ’s relationship going forward on the MCU

[@comicbookking3446]

What about Spectacular Spider-Man ? What do you think of Mary Jane in that show ?

[@sunsetvibe1063]

Personally, I didn’t really mind the reporter angle of the Insomniac game. I felt like it was a good way to keep MJ involved with the story. Rather than just Peter going through the events of the game. While MJ spends her time as an actress in a completely different location away from the main story. I don’t think that would’ve worked as well. I do agree about her personality. I don’t think this reporter version of her character would be as disliked if her personality remained intact. I feel like MJ’s been kind of watered down by movie female movie stereotypes. ‘Cause usually when adapting superhero romances in movies. Making the love interest a snarky party girl was never really considered. They just had to be nice & supportive & basically just like Lois Lane from the Superman movies. Which doesn’t really work for MJ. This started with the Rami movies once MJ started becoming more connected to Peter instead of a girl he idolised. Now that watered down version of her character has become the default for what to build off from. Because for many fans, the Rami version of MJ was the one they from the start.

[@Gittykitty]

I hate the reporter MJ idea, it took away from Peter. Just like I hate techy Spider Man. I know she was a model/movie star.

[@ravenouspuncher]

Shailene woodley and Deborah Ann Wilson look most similar to comics MJ.

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

I wish we saw Shailene in TASM 3

[@andrewshearsby8125]

90's Cartoon MJ was annoying as hell

[@masonsmith6137]

i think the issue is that she keeps being adapted from the ultimate comics, as well as most modern spiderman stuff

[@VeranProwlerthestormtrooper]

Spider-Verse films version of Mary Jane Watson-Parker are better adaption!

[@SuperiormilesMorales]

#Spidersaludo me gustó tu video del cambio que tuvo la personaje de Mary Jane Watson en Marvel spider-man 2

[@thecounselingpsychologystu8167]

Everyone wants to make this argument over the Ultimate universe, but they’re completely wrong. The ORIGINAL Ultimate universe (actual comics not the show) still had a beautiful, fun, party like MJ with a traumatic family background. Idk why people hate beautiful women. There’s nothing wrong with being a fun, socialable, theatrically talented AND beautiful woman. Also, ppl don’t have to like this SM2 video game version (referring to the comments section). It’s terrible.

[@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946]

This is why black cat is Way better than MJ I’m not gonna lie She way likable.

[@dante_0962]

No not at all.

[@playcoarmboy1836]

i would love for you to make a video talking about the ultimate spiderman tv show

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Maybe at somepoint in the future!

[@kiryukazuma7960]

MTV and Spectacular Spider Man MJ:

[@JCardo2502]

The MCU MJ is a completely different character. Her full name is Michelle Jones Williams so if the people working on the MCU wanted it, they could bring in the real MJ and say it’s just a coincidence that both are called MJ

[@crawlerassault5170]

Marvel hated Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson one of the best couple in comic history next to clark and loise,Marvel sucks ass.

[@angryjack7963]

Ngl I do miss the model extroverted Mary Jane but the ps4 version is kinda nice and fits well, but I would like if they bring back the OG Mary Jane

[@LewisFilmsProductions]

Yeah

[@OminousArtist]

Me too

[@dppool456]

Peter was interested in her right away and the first time they met was actually a date. He just was flakey bc he was always disappearing she was just like 'eh, your loss'. Whereas Gwen was less indifferent and so Peter ended up dating Gwen instead

[@lolhaipop]

Great mj video. Wish you make Comics mj essay.

[@MichaelSunny]

I admit I do like her in the PS games but she is basically Lois Lane. I want to see her as the party girl and model as well. I really like Zendaya as MJ but I wish her name was actually Mary Jane Watson in the movies. Thats just my opinion.

[@aymaanrashid2033]

Btw lewis whats your opinion on marvel’s spider-man being the perfect depiction of the character?

[@dylansearcy3966]

3:13 heck yeah and im not wrong

[@nateborg7286]

I guess the only good adaptation was from ATSV, yes she appeared in 3 minutes but she was the quirky, fun and supportive girlfriend of Peter. It's hard for producers to understand that the character does not need to help the main character or the main plot in order to be good.

[@jamesmcgrory-fisher5786]

Can you still see maryjane being used in the venom universe all the college Spider-Man trilogy

[@s.nifrum4580]

I think Mary Jane and I are a lot alike Not in the trauma aspect no, I really don’t like parties but I can stick around long enough to fool you into thinking I do.

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

Honestly i have to ask since one more day what the point of keeping MJ around in comics? I wish they just kill her off and stop trying to tease the fans to thinking they will get back together.

[@AccountNumb]

Why does she need to get killed of lol. Just have her do her own thing

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

@@AccountNumb they barely let her do that, if they were serious about letting her do her own thing and tbh she not that interesting to follow if she got her own series

[@AccountNumb]

@@revolutionarydragon1123 “they barely let her do that” ok? Then we should advocate for them to do it more lol. Yes she’s very interesting outside of Peter, we shouldn’t ask them to kill of a character because you think nothing interesting can come out of her

[@revolutionarydragon1123]

@@AccountNumb what the most interesting thing MJ has done since post OMD away from Peter Parker?

[@AccountNumb]

@@revolutionarydragon1123 saved iron man from madam masque, prevented stark industries from getting taken over while tony was “dead”,began working for tony, dawned the iron spider suit and helped fight regent(if you wanna count that), help prevented stark industries from being taken over again by Eric lynch, manipulated count Kuching nefaria into telling her how to beat the hood, beat shocker with a bat, tricked tombstone, help beat the hood, helped her movie crew escaped the savage 6. Marvel could easily create interesting stories with Mj if they wanted to, a character with 50+ years of history you definitely should be able to come up with something.

[@GDB.PRODUCTION]

I just think as the multiverse different earth different mj

[@user-ns9wt1jb8l]

Why, why, why everybody forgets about MJ from spectacular spider man? Why you all trying to hide the fact that there is a good adoptation( you are not the first who didnt tell about her and im dissapointed). You even showed her but didnt tell anything

[@demi4voice345]

Based

[@bet0v966]

MTV’s & Spectacular’s MJ are peak MJ

[@genericavatar5785]

They want her to be more involved in the story and try to move away from being a supermodel

[@dylansearcy3966]

8:25 what about Andrew Garfield’s spider-man

[@treymykel]

I'm so glad you said it's because I've been having issues with how they've been adapting and Mary Jane Watson since you know the Sam Remy movies where it's like they're trying to make her like a knock off Lois Lane and that's not her that's not her character I think the Spider-Man 90 show and a little bit of spectacular Spider-Man where the only times they got Mary Jane Watson correct where she's a party girl but she has a deeper story behind her but she has the party girl image even when spectacular Spider-Man took place in high school they still made sure that she was the party girl Gum character the popular girl the one that you know when she walks in the room she has head turns and I hate the fact that ultimate Spider-Man not only the show but the comic books start making her like this Lois Lane knock off reporter that they added into Marvel Spider-Man which I was just like come on now if this is supposed to be more of an adult Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson it will be great to see her be a socialite where she can get into places that Peter couldn't get into and you know mingle with people dangerous people that Peter couldn't me go with while you have Peter in the background being the reporter for the daily bugle You know what I'm saying That's how you balance that out but to take that away from Peter and give that Mary Jane Watson to make her and knock off Lois Lane instead of letting her be the party girl who can chameleon herself through every situation and being the drop dead gorgeous supermodel and actress was a complete letdown and the fact that they keep trying to cover her up or whatever and then was crazy is when they adapt Gwen Stacy then they give her characteristics to Gwen Stacy instead of letting Mary Jane Watson be Mary Jane Watson like no we're going to give those characteristics to Gwen Stacy instead which is weird because that's not Gwen either so is it's a bleeding effect every time they adapt Mary Jane Watson incorrectly they bleed her character to other female characters and I'm so tired of Mary Jane Watson being adapted incorrectly she is usually the top priority female character in Peter Parker's life usually his wife she's an actress and model a socialite in she needs to be that not some diet Lois Lane.

[@turtlehd4557]

The best mj for me is the Erik larsen mary jane watson

[@JohnDoe______]

Also in the ultimate Spider-Man cartoon mj was a very small character in it compared to others

[@TillmanStudios]

Ultimate Comics MJ: 'Am I a joke to you?'

[@planetbirthday6859]

Rewatched spectacular Spider-Man a few months back, and the Mary Jane in that version although she didn't really stand out when compared to others she wasn't really bad, or abysmal Either, she had a few moments where she gave peter some advice but that's about it

[@INFERNO95]

She was just there for fanservice 90s show was the best.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Ain't gonna lie Gwen's better lol.

[@davidlungujr6857]

Now I See Why You Killed Her Off In Your Spider-Man 4 Version